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094: Midlife By Human Design: Part 3 // with Lori Lisai

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Restlessness in your forties and fifties isn’t a crisis—it’s a portal. We chatted with Human Design guide Lori Lisai, who helps people turn uncertainty into body-based clarity, exploring gates, channels, profiles, and the timing that makes decisions feel clean instead of rushed. 

We unpack the identity center: if your G is undefined, you may shape-shift based on who you’re with. That isn’t fake—it’s intelligent energy. The key is choosing environments where you love who you are. From there, we dive into authority. Emotional authority asks for time; sacral and splenic move faster. Self-projected and mental rely on voice and environment. Reflectors ride lunar cycles. Whatever your type, honoring your tempo turns noise into signal.

Finally, we reframe the Uranus opposition. Culture calls it a midlife crisis; Lori calls it a checkpoint. Paired with Human Design, it becomes grounded practice. For many women in and after menopause, this becomes a spiritual redesign—less about boxes, and more about truth.


If you’re craving permission to change your mind, focus your energy, and choose a path that actually fits, this conversation will feel like a deep breath.  If this helped, follow the show, share it with a friend, and leave a quick review to help more people find us.

To learn more about Lori or to work with her:

Visit: www.lorilisai.com/workwithlori

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Lauren:

Hello, you gorgeous sparkly treasures! In today's episode, which is the final part of our human design series, we talked with Lori Lasai, a human design expert who helps people in their midlife return to their truth. I'm Lauren Leon. And I'm back!

Frank:

Brah. I'm back! Brahbrack! Bah ba. Get above that thing! And this you feel better!

Lauren:

We are a married couple learning how to develop our own intuition, and this is episode 94 of Claire Voyaging. Hello, pretty, pretty princes and princesses. Oh that's nice for guys! I've missed you.

Frank:

Can I tell you something?

Lauren:

Yeah?

Frank:

You know what? I was gonna sing in the intro, but I decided not to.

Lauren:

What?

Frank:

I was gonna sing Sam Smith, but then I realized that when I sing that song, I sound like Mickey Mouse.

Lauren:

What's what song is it?

Frank:

I'm so glad you asked. You say I'm crazy. Because you don't think I know what you've done. Do you sing it like that every time? No, I just went to go sing Falsetto and I was like, that's Mickey. But when you call me baby. Oh no, I'm not the only one. Boy.

Lauren:

Oh my God. Thank you for that.

Frank:

Yeah.

Lauren:

Thank you for sparing us in the intro, because I don't think I would have recovered quickly. But also, thank you for sharing.

Frank:

You know, I had a couple of bouts of like kind of hitting the notes in some of the intros, and I felt good about it. And I didn't want to go. I didn't want to go to the wheel.

Lauren:

You don't want to ruin your flow.

Frank:

Sam Smith does the best, Sam Smith. It should stay that way.

Lauren:

You won't find this anywhere else on any other podcast. And you're probably surprised to find it here. Maybe a little regretful if this is your first time on the Claire Voyaging podcast.

Frank:

But it's probably also your last.

Lauren:

It might be like, well, we're gonna we're gonna skip and find something else. But on that note, you guys, we've had some lovely five-star reviews, and I just want to say thank you for that.

Frank:

My friend.

Lauren:

Thank you. It helps us grow and reach more people. So if you haven't placed uh five stars on our podcast, and you feel that that's in accordance with your emotions inclined to do so towards our show, then we will be most grateful.

Frank:

Do it, please.

Lauren:

Please do it.

Frank:

You know, we've been terrible at calls to action. Yeah. And I was reading a thing that was like, hey, you want your show to grow? Ask them to do nice things for you. I'm like, wait, what?

Lauren:

No, I don't tell anybody to do anything, and they don't tell me. No, uh, we don't like to ask for stuff. We and we don't ask for support, we don't ask for help, especially this guy. Help me. But but okay, but in this case, you'll hear us do it more now because that's what they say you need to do.

Frank:

I love that you approach a hundred episodes of a thing and we say, wait, marketing.

Lauren:

We were doing it a lot more, and now here we are again. You're welcome.

Frank:

We got too comfortable.

Lauren:

Also, we're gonna keep it going and say, just a reminder: if you want to join the Clear Voyaging community on Patreon, come on over. The water's warm, it's beautiful, and it's only four dollars per month.

Frank:

And they say that's so cheap.

Lauren:

They do, they do say that. Lastly, but not leastly, check out our website for our most current services because they're continuing to evolve as we increase and add more evolves.

Frank:

Evolve ourselves, is what you meant to say.

Lauren:

That, yeah. And while you're on our website, take a look at our merch page because we have some cute new items. One of them is a license plate frame that says, I'd rather be Claire Voyaging. So, you know, you could get a unique little uh license plate.

Frank:

I had to design hearts and I designed Hearts and Stars underwear, and Lauren said, please put those away.

Lauren:

Do not put that on our website.

Frank:

Fine. Fine.

Lauren:

He had underwear and boxers. You know what, you guys, if you want that, send us put a comment.

Frank:

Make daddy happy. Which is something that no one should say while talking about underwear.

Lauren:

No. Also, there's a candle on there that says, Don't bother me, I'm manifesting. And Frank designed all of these, and you know what? I just really like them a lot. So I wanted to share that with you. And now we're gonna talk to Lori because she is a delightful person.

Frank:

What a knowledge fest we had.

Lauren:

Yeah. It was a great conversation. And uh you've learned about the basics and the fundamentals of human design with the with the types, with the profiles. And she goes a little bit more into the channels and the gates.

Frank:

And specifically, we talk about some Saturn return style human design stuff.

Lauren:

Yeah.

Frank:

So uh in other words, midlife human design adjustments.

Lauren:

Yeah.

Frank:

And it's really cool for those of us in our midlife.

Lauren:

Also, one final thing. If you are on video and you can see, look at this.

Frank:

Lauren is wearing a tiny oh, okay. It looked like she was wearing a tiny little elf hat, but there's an elf.

Lauren:

You see our elf?

Frank:

There's an elf on the shelf.

Lauren:

Her name is Figgy, and she is currently on the lamp. And it looks like I'm wearing her hat. So that's fun. All right, time to play it. Hit it. Let it rip, Lori. Thank you so much for joining us today on Claire Voyaging. We are so excited to hear your story and how you use human design in your work. So, can you give us some backstory? How'd you get into this? Tell us a little bit about yourselves. Yourself, yourselves. I told you I was one time.

Lori:

Tell us my oneself, my single definition self. Uh thank you so much for having me, Lauren and Frank. Uh, it's great to be here. And yeah, I was a teacher for a couple of decades and then pivoted in 2021. I had started to dive into human design in 2019 and just found myself fascinated with it. I've always been interested in astrology and, you know, oracle decks and all the all the woo things. And human design just felt to me like I don't know, like there was so much to learn. And still, I mean, I'm six years in and still learning. It's such an in-depth system. And I feel like it gives us language to speak to when we're going through big changes. So when I when I first started doing the work, I was just doing lots of readings, mostly for friends and family and you know, getting to know the system and kind of practicing with people. And then uh in the last year and a half, two years or so, is when I started to talk more about its application in midlife because so many people in this phase of life are facing those big questions. You know, it's uh your Uranus opposition is happening around your uh early 40s. That's the classic like midlife crisis kind of timing. And that's when oftentimes people get this, you know, big life, some sort of life moment that happens that has you questioning things. For me, I didn't leave teaching until uh just before I turned 50. So, you know, it was later, but during the work that I've been doing in the last couple of years, I've noticed a correlation between, especially for women, how women get to this point of life and they're moving into menopause, where they're just like shedding their cares and they care a lot less about having to fit into the boxes or check the boxes. And they they oftentimes are looking for what's next. They're not quite sure, but they just know they don't want to keep doing what they've been doing for decades. And so human design, I think, is such a fantastic tool to give you the language to start to get curious and gives it gives you some direction because it asks questions or can potenti has the potential for questions that are focused on you, exactly you and how your energy works and how you're, you know, who I say it's who you came here to be. And the work is in shedding the shoulds, is like pulling off all of those, you know, feeling like you should do something and instead actually following what you feel like is true for you.

Lauren:

That's so great. That is there a common response to women that you work with where they go like, oh, that's why I've done this, this, this, you know, like where something like clicks into place and they're like, ohing this answers so many questions.

Lori:

Yeah. Oh God, yeah. Uh I think one of the most powerful pieces of human design is how much it has the potential for giving us permission to do the things that, you know, it's it's oftentimes those voices in the back of our, you know, those quiet little voices like we talk about on this pod all the time, right? That intuitive knowing, that intuitive hit. Uh, and human design just puts it in black and white for you. You know, it shows you right on your chart, like, yeah, actually, this is this is what um what you were thinking or what you were, you know, how you felt. And it's written right here in your chart, and you can see why that might be that you're feeling that way, or you know, expressing yourself that way, or feeling like that is what you're drawn to.

Lauren:

Yeah, someone was just I was just in like a one-on-one session with um, like I guess she's kind of like my mentor. And she was she's into human design. She was like, Let me look take a look at your gate 11 or something. I'm not really into I don't really know the gates or anything, but it was something about like that's your son, and mine is meant to be sharing my wisdom from experience or or something like that. And it was like, she it was like exactly what I was just talking about, and I'm like, man, what the hell?

Lori:

Yeah, oh my gosh, I love that. Um, yeah, that's your sun gate. So that's what it was, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So like people will ask you from an astrology standpoint, what is your sun sign? Right. And and so for example, I'm a cancer sun, and what human design does is goes another layer deeper to break down each of the sun signs into five or six gates. So the sun spends about six days in each gate. So it's roughly, you know, five to six, depending on when the sun transitions. Um, so you can be, for example, for me, I'm a 52 sun, which is all about stillness. It's all about you know, learning how to wait for the right timing, how to kind of chill and bring chill to other people. You'll bring that vibe, I will say. So, which is exactly it's your it's kind of your main vibe. And and then the next gate that uh the sun transitions into after 52 is 39. So 39 cancers, they're gonna be that gate is all about uh like fighting for what's right. And, you know, it's kind of an activism type of energy where you're, you know, it's cancer still. So you're it's like protecting your people and doing right by by who you consider family and your your tribe, so to speak, but it's a very different expression of the cancer energy than like the chill, you know, the kind of stillness in the the calm of the in the middle of the storm type of energy. So it's one thing that I love about human design is you it it's so layered. Obviously, it's you know, five different systems thrown together. Um, so you get that layered um kind of feeling in the chart, and you can ask, you know, more specific questions because of that. So, and your sun sign, your sun gate has the most, you know, uh of the energy in your chart. It's 70% of the energy. So there's a lot there. But a lot of people uh especially if they've been kind of I call it shitting all over yourself, you know? If they've been doing that, yeah, yeah, right. If they've been doing a lot of that for their whole lives, then sometimes their sun sign can feel really uh like foreign, foreign to them.

Frank:

So wait, this is the thing I always say. This is the thing I always say, that's the thing. See, finally some confirmation. I always I'm always saying, like, there's a lot, there's some people who like you talk to someone, they're like, I don't really believe in astrology. And then you're like, okay, hold on. Watch this. I'm about to blow your mind, and then you go read their stuff, and you're like, huh, that doesn't actually sound like you at all. That sucks. Yeah. But then I've always I've always had a theory that like for whatever reason those people have strayed so far from what they're supposed to be doing, and uh that they should be closer to what their astrological sign is actually saying about them.

Lori:

Yeah, yeah, totally. Um, and they, you know, I think it could be conditioning, you know, it could be that they've been pulled off. It could also be birth time. You know, sometimes things change a lot with birth time. Um, so I, you know, there are parts of the chart that can change a lot. For example, the variables, those arrows up at the top and those numbers, those change very quickly over the course of a day versus, you know, sometimes your type doesn't change as often. Um, but it really depends on the placements, you know. And I think what you're saying about the conditioning is is definitely right on. And, you know, how much are you living your life based on what what other people expect of you or would prefer from you versus what really feels true for you?

Frank:

Which kind of feels like the entire point of our podcast at this point.

Lori:

Yeah.

Lauren:

Exactly. How do you how do you if someone's looking at their rave chart like I am right now? Can you tell me where you find your sun gate?

Lori:

Yeah, absolutely. So in the I'm looking at yours right now, if you if you look at the chart itself, you'll see that you have two columns on the sides, one on the right hand side, one on the left. And in a traditional chart, the uh colors are gonna be red and black. And so the black side on the right hand side is your personality side or your conscious side. Human design likes to give parts of the chart multiple names. So it just makes it a little more confusing. But so your personality side, it's that very top number. So the very first number on the right hand side of the chart in that column. So for example, um for Frank, your son is in gate nine. And I don't know if you heard any information about that um in the in the last conversation that you had.

Frank:

Uh no, we didn't talk about gates in depth at all.

Lori:

Okay, so um I'm curious about this for you, how this plays out for you. It's it's the gate of details, it's the gate of focus, uh, and understanding how to be focused on something. And uh and details are kind of your friend, you know. Uh you are specific, yeah, about the details. So, do you find that is true for you?

Frank:

I mean, I'm the one who on the show takes the notes.

Lori:

Yeah. Okay, I love that. Yes. Well, the other thing that's interesting about yours um is you have it both consciously and unconsciously defined. So it's also in your unconscious Mars. So again, speaking to the leveled nature of human design, uh, you have gate placements that are in energy centers, which you see on the chart itself. And then you also have every single gate is has a planetary placement. And your unconscious Mars uh is in, let's see, I'm gonna take you down another road here.

Lauren:

Let's go.

Lori:

All right, all right, connected to something called the gene keys. So the gene keys are like another sort of offshoot of human design. They're a deeper, uh kind of more contemplative look at each of the 64 gates of human design. And they're Richard Rudd is the founder of this system, the gene key system. And he he created these pathways, essentially. And the unconscious Mars placement is an important placement because it's your core wound. So essentially, what that means is for you, uh, I kind of look at your body graph chart, your rave chart as a um as a soul assignment. You know, it's like this is this is the curriculum that you came in with. And so you assigned yourself, like, okay, I'm gonna have this core wound around details, around working in a really fine way about things, and also in a focusing. And potentially I might have some challenges with focusing, you know, a lot of people who have only gate nine and do not have gate 52 can exhibit mannerisms or you know, um, characteristics of ADHD. Um not always, but sometimes. Um and and so you you said, okay, I'm gonna have this as my sun sign, and just to make it fun, I'm gonna make it my core wound too. So I'm gonna make it that thing that is like the Achilles heel of my life, and I'm gonna learn so much about it, and my son is gonna shine all the light on it, and then when I feel like I've learned this is gonna be, this is gonna become my medicine. This is gonna be something that I can truly offer to others and help others heal where they have this uh this difficulty. How does that resonate?

Frank:

Yeah, yes, yes. So A D D. So I have this is how it presents for me. I I love to learn. I like have to learn. I do it all the time about anything, about too much. And you should see my to-do list. Um, it is all important and it's all over the place. Some people will be like, I have to make that phone call or do that task. And I I'll be like, I have to, you know, um uh take the car to the car wash, pick up the kids, and then I really have to figure out why succulents grow the way they do, because I don't know why they're so different from other plants. Like, but I'm maybe not kidding. So yeah, it's it's like a my like core interface in the world, but also I can get so buried in the things that I need to figure out and learn that sometimes pushing that all into like okay, can we like do something that I don't know makes money now is is a legit challenge.

Lori:

Yeah.

Frank:

So yes, yes.

Lori:

So knowing what to focus on can be a real challenge with this gate. Um, yeah. And I have the whole channel, so I have the 52 9. Um, so the nine is the complement, the electromagnetic to my 52. You can see the 52 is in the root and it's reaching up to the nine, and the nine reaches down. Yeah. So when you have the full channel, then you have a little more, at least like natural energy to be able to like sit for long periods of time and focus on one thing. So for me, how that plays out is I can get into a project and work for hours on it. And I get so frustrated with people when they interrupt me.

Lauren:

Oh, yeah.

Lori:

Um, yeah, which versus you know, somebody who just has the nine may not find that. However, um, let me just look. Um, if you have anybody in your house, so Lauren does not have the 52, but if anybody in your house has the 52 and you're around them, then that's gonna like lock in that energy for you. So I don't know if either of your kids have that. Um, but they're, you know, if you're ever around a 52, they're gonna kind of help you with that energetically. And this is why it's kind of fun to go work in, you know, a place where you're around other people because they can you sort of borrow energy from other people.

Frank:

Yeah, we we've like Lauren and I have looked into the concept of like blending fields basically and like completing uh, I guess, circuits. What do we call it? Completing channels.

Lauren:

Mm-hmm.

Frank:

No one in this house has no, we are 52 less.

Lauren:

Okay.

Frank:

I will say that I have like developed some learned learned behavior of how to correct that, but it doesn't help my laundry list of stuff that I want to do. It's still hard to choose what's the next correct thing to get into.

Lori:

Yeah, yeah. And I mean, you're a manifesting generator and you're a one-four, you know. So the fact that you're a one-for, um, so this is I'm talking about your profile now. Yeah. Um, you know, the the one, wait, yes. Um, the one four, that one line is what you're talking about. Like, I want to know all the things about all the things, right? It's like I can't, I can't possibly know enough of the things. And uh, and then you find something new and you're like, oh my god, tell me more of the things. So it's uh exactly it. Yeah, that's it.

Lauren:

That's okay.

Lori:

Yes, yes. Um, one lines love that. And I'm speaking to you from a fellow one line because I am a five-one. So okay. Yes. So I can I can relate to that. Um, and for you, it's conscious energy. So because it's in that first line placement, you know, you're getting, you know it, you know, you know it's there and you you can talk, you know, easily and and uh freely about it. Versus for me, I I mean, I'm aware of it, but I don't necessarily, I don't know. I I think other people see it in me more so than I see it in myself, you know. And then that that four component wants to be uh it's a it's a networking, you know, a community kind of vibe. Uh but it's also because it's so they each of these lines, the one and the four are um are in the trigram, they're on the lowest part of the trigram. So the six profile lines are split into two trigrams, one, two, and three, and then four, five, and six. And when you split them up and you look at the one being on the bottom part of the first trigram, and then the four being on the bottom part of the second trigram, essentially what that is telling you is how important like foundations are for you. So I have a one-four um son who is now in college. He just went um this year is his first year as a freshman. And, you know, freshman year, I think, can be kind of a struggle for most kids, just transitioning. And, you know, he's doing okay, but we've I've definitely talked to him just about reminding him that it takes a bit to rebuild your foundation and to feel comfortable in new spaces. And you said that you just moved, you know, over the summer. So I yeah. So I'm curious how that felt for you and how you know, do you find yourself staying in places for long periods of time or like how has that played out over your life?

Frank:

Let's just say this. Um, I I learned about something called relocation grief. Because I had to.

Lauren:

Yeah.

Frank:

So it was difficult. It was difficult. And like I think we're over the hump. It's been three months. Yeah but you know, I know I've read that it could take you know up to nine months. But yeah, it was uh it was a daily struggle of like, oh no, like I don't know anything or anywhere, or uh even like how to what are my routines, you know what I mean? So yeah, it was wild. It's and I think you're feeling better about it now, right?

Lauren:

Yeah, me too.

Frank:

Yeah, I think it was a three-month, some three-month hump for us.

Lori:

Yeah. And I can't, so Lauren is a three-five, right? Yeah. Okay. So for you, like, you know, that these kinds of big transitions will probably feel a little bit different. I mean, obviously you're partners, so you're going to feel the energy that both of you is experiencing. But for, you know, for a three-five, um, I'm married to a three-five, and I mean, I think he's an intense guy. I don't know if uh especially and he's also a manifesting generator. I don't know if you feel like you identify with intensity as part of who you are. Um not really.

Frank:

That's actually kind of funny.

Lauren:

I wouldn't say I'm I wouldn't say I'm like I feel things deeply. I wouldn't say I'm like a super intense person. But I'm but I also know that I've like quieted some parts of myself.

Frank:

Learn learn filters a lot, yeah.

Lauren:

Yeah, like that's just like potentially learned behavior through like a trauma response.

Frank:

And from being a woman in this world, and that, yeah.

Lori:

Right, and that, and that that's a really great point, Frank, because I think that um I think about the manifesting generators, the women who I know who are through. And um yeah, intensity feels like a positive, you know, attribute for men, but I'm not sure if it feels like that for women, right? Women kind of right. So I I would say, you know, and you you have six of your energy centers are defined. So there's, you know, you are, you do have a lot of energy that you're sharing. And the the three-five component is like this. Um, the reason I say intense is because there's this real experimentation component to the three, you know, like trying, throwing spaghetti at the wall, seeing what sticks. And maybe literally, yeah, yeah, okay. Yeah. And then uh, and then from those experiments, you're solving problems. That's the five piece. That so um the beautiful combination of the three, five is that when you're solving problems, it's not just from, oh, well, I learned this, you know, from a book, I learned this from my research. It's more like I learned this from real life, you know, struggles and figuring out it out on my own, which I think can lend, you know, its own intensity to uh to what you have to to offer and share. But I'm curious if that resonates.

Lauren:

Oh, yeah. Yeah. I have a lot of things that I'm able to tell people like, well, don't do this because I did that and it didn't go so well. Like, let me let me spare you, you know, five extra years of being in the wrong relationship or at the wrong job that's like draining you, or you know, like so many things that I can be like, can I talk to you about it? Because I want to tell you what my experience was and maybe it'll help you.

Lori:

I love it. I love it. And and I could see how moving through uh through a transition such as relocating your house, you know, you would bring a little bit more of the potentially the lightness of vibe, you know, like, okay, well, we're just gonna try. Like, okay, how are we setting up our room? Well, let's just try this and see how it works. And hopefully, in seeing that and seeing her lightness, then, you know, the one four who like needs that foundation can can be comforted a bit by that while also seeing the you know, the foundation kind of being built from her willingness to just like play with things and figure it out.

Frank:

Yeah. Let me tell you something. The older that I get, the I'm a little becoming a little less comfortable going into situations that I'm not, I don't know like what's going on or where it is, or where's this place? Like, where do I park?

Lauren:

You know, like yeah.

Frank:

But if Lauren's there, I'm always just like, she's like, I I consider her my like like on the road like field tester. She's like, oh, well, this looks right. I'm always like, I need your eyes, I need your eyes, you know. I can focus in on the wrong thing. And she's like, How did you not see that sign? Because I wasn't expecting it.

Lauren:

And oh my god, that's exactly I'll I'll see it in like two seconds. I'm like, you're supposed to go that way. And he's like, What? What's like 20 seconds behind me? And I'm like, come on, it's following anybody.

Frank:

I consider myself very like perceptive, but I have to move at at the pace that I'm comfortable to perceive all the things I want. Which is actually really funny because last night, as an example, um, we so we're we're still we're still in the process of like getting all the stuff out of the old the our last town. So I still had like a tra a travel trailer that I was over that was over there. So last night um I had to hook it up to a truck and like drive it out here to San Diego, which is a long, long drive, right? And when you're pulling it, when you're pulling a trailer, you gotta move a little slower. You just gotta be safe, you gotta cruise. And once I got to the area that, like, you know, closer to San Diego, an area that I'm not super comfortable with, because I was driving so slow, I had more time to like kind of look around. I was like, I don't recognize any of this. Because that's for there's something about like pasting uh and like um and processing time for me. Or usually I'm just like, oh, okay, Lauren, tell me where to go. Like, I trust you. She's like my she's like my Google Maps.

Lauren:

But you were on your own.

Frank:

I was on my own.

Lauren:

Alone and scared. Scared.

Lori:

I love it. And it's uh I can hear your gate nine talking, you know, it's that like hyper focus on something, but not necessarily the you know, the right thing necessarily in the moment.

Frank:

100%. Yeah. I actually I like that as my general problem in life is just focusing on the wrong thing.

Lauren:

You almost you were considering like years ago getting a tattoo that said focus.

Frank:

Oh, yeah, I was gonna get a tattoo that said focus.

Lori:

Oh my god.

Lauren:

If human does it's right, if this stuff isn't real, I know but I think it it's because you like wanted to remind yourself to focus.

Frank:

It was to choose a focus. Yeah, it was to always try to focus on one thing instead of everything. I'm always, like I said, my my to-do list.

Lori:

Yeah, yeah, it's your core wound, you know. It's yeah, it's gonna continue to you came here to learn that lesson, you know.

Frank:

So not everyone's core wound is also their Mars, right? That's just a special Frank thing.

Lori:

No, um, not everyone's core wound will be their son. Your son, I'm sorry, yeah. Yeah, but your core wound is your Mars placement, that is your unconscious Mars placement in particular. But you Where do you see your Mars placement?

Frank:

It's that so these are like the astrological symbols.

Lauren:

So I don't know which one Mars is.

Lori:

So Mars is the the circle with a little arrow pointing out of it. So in the chart, it's above Jupiter, which looks like a four.

Lauren:

Mine says 33.4. What does this mean? It's going halfway to 13.

Lori:

Going halfway is called um, it's called a hanging gate. So, and and it can be um it can be either dormant or hanging, I guess. So if it's in a defined center, which means the center is colored in, we're getting into a lot of the like more advanced principles here because we're talking about gates. So hopefully your listeners are keeping up with us or just like willing to listen and you know learn and learn by osmosis here. Yeah. Um so you have uh 33 is reaching for 13, 33 is in the throat, and it's reaching down for 13. And so because it's in your defined throat, which just means that your throat is colored in, it's called a hanging gate. And what that means is in order to really kind of feel the essence of this gate, you you have to lock in, you have to like borrow the 13 from somebody. Otherwise, it's just kind of sitting there chilling. It's not like really going to you know feel activated to you all the time. And then the dormant gates are in undefined centers. So if your center is white, then it's undefined. So for example, you have um gate 46 in your G center or your identity center, that's a dormant gate. And you get the same kind of feeling there. You don't really like have that energy or notice that energy as much until somebody comes along with gate 29 and turns that on. And then that's actually going to either way, if they have 13 or they have 29, both of those placements are going to um activate your G center for that time, which means that you'll kind of borrow that energy of, you know, knowing what direction you're going in and kind of having this different sense of who you are when you're in their presence. Does that make sense? Okay.

Frank:

So does the person that you're so if you're near a person that has uh a 13 or uh and you need a 13, is that just like a is that like a sterile 13, or is it that that person's like version of a 13 that Lauren might need? I so I have a 13, so I I'm I I yeah, I guess I can complete Lauren's channel.

Lauren:

Let me see.

Frank:

Is she getting a flavor of Frank's 13 or is it?

Lori:

Oh god, yeah.

Frank:

Yeah, if somebody else came around with a 13, is is it like, oh, now it's like Bob's 13 and we don't like Bob.

Lori:

Right. Yeah. Um, you know, I would say that it's it's specific to the individual. It's like Frank's 13 or Bob's 13, because we, you know, we break apart human design to teach it, but we in reality, we're we're one human, right? We have all of the different layers. So when you're talking about focus, for example, it's like, okay, I could hear you talking about your gate nine, but I was also hearing the manifesting generator in there. I was hearing the one four, you know, like there are different layers to um to all the pieces. So so yeah, you're bringing your individual feeling. But what's interesting um is with the with completing somebody, especially with the open or undefined G center, um, open and undefined Gs will they tend to take on other people's personalities a bit, or they're like shape shifters, you know. So Lauren here when she's doing the pod with Frank might be a different Lauren than she is when she goes to, you know, parent-teacher conferences and she has to show up to, you know, be the mom, or when she goes to some uh to visit her parents, you know, she might be a different version of Lauren. Does that make sense? 100%.

Lauren:

Yeah. Yeah. So this is the the um like diamond shape in the middle. That's okay. Because mine is not colored in, that means I can kind of change chameleon. Who I am.

Frank:

You know what's crazy is Lauren did spent a lot of time uh in the improv community. And I would imagine that that would be like a benefit in that space.

Lori:

Yeah. Yeah, for sure, for sure. And having a defined throat, like that would be a huge benefit too, like just having that easy access to your voice, you know, coming right up from um from your solar plexus, like coming right up from that feeling. Um yeah, and and defined G's are you know a little more consistent, you know? They're they're gonna be more the same in different scenarios.

Lauren:

That that's you.

Frank:

Yep.

Lauren:

Yeah, I feel like I shift a little bit more based on what either someone else's vibe or what the situation calls for. Not that I'm like, you know, a fake person or something, but my I feel like my general like vibe will change. Our listeners might even notice based on like our guest, sometimes like my energy will change a little bit or um yeah, different settings. There are people who have no idea that maybe even that I work with or whatever, that I have this kind of like big energy, silly side that it's just like I imitate people's voices and I'm ridiculous and all that stuff. They've never seen that side of me.

Frank:

Yeah.

Lauren:

It took a while even for like me to show certain elements of myself to like your parents who were very open and funny.

Frank:

Right.

Lauren:

But I would like come out with like, you know, a ridiculous song or a weird impression or something. They'd be like, What? Who is or they'd see me perform or something and be like, what?

Frank:

Right. Yeah.

Lori:

You mentioned earlier that uh something about being in a relationship for too long. And this is some, yeah, this is something that I have worked with a number of clients about in regards to relationships, thinking about leaving relationships. When you have an undefined or open G center, it's like you're you are taking on and amplifying the energy of the people that you're spending time with. And it can, it can be really hard to understand that who you are when you're with that person isn't, you know, a reflection of who your, you know, how your truth is actually expressed. And it's important then for you to be with somebody who you feel really good with, you know, who you feel like comfortable with, who you you sort of want to be able to say, I love who I am when I'm with you. That is such an important phrase for an undefined G. Oh, I love that. Yeah.

Lauren:

That's super that's so interesting. Do you find that a lot of like women that are maybe I don't want to say crisis, like midlife crisis, but like that are maybe having that transition, like they have the open G center?

Lori:

Um, hmm. I I wouldn't say that it's enough to, you know, say it's a pattern necessarily. Um but I mean the the G center is also the center for direction. So certainly if it's undefined or open, that that just means that you you kind of you kind of function in a way where life has to just kind of bring you stuff and it unfolds versus with a defined G center, they're more like, I know where I'm going. I'm headed here. This is kind of the road I'm on, this is the path I'm on, versus, you know, the undefined can be like, well, what do I do? Where do I go? What do I do now? You know, what direction do I take? God story of my life, Lori. Yes, yes, which is why it's really important to use your strategy and authority, you know, um, which are, you know, those are kind of the hallmarks. Like we're getting into a lot of the specifics of human design, but it always comes back to just trusting that intuition, you know, trusting your inner knowing. For for both of you, well, wait, are you both emotional? Yes. So for both of you, it's about taking your time to make decisions and really feeling into it. And um for no timeshare meetings.

Frank:

No timeshare meetings for us. It's a bad call.

Lori:

Oh my god, right? Yeah, no, no. Anybody who wants you to make a decision right away, just tell them no, period.

Frank:

Yes. Literally, did I just say that the other day? I will not get pressured into a decision again.

Lori:

Yeah, good. Yay! Oh my gosh. It's such a game changer for emotional authorities to learn that, you know, and it's it's hard because our society sort of applauds people who can make in the moment decisions, you know, like it's some kind of superpower, right? Oh, you're, you know, you have such authority uh if you can make a decision right in the moment. But it it's like 50% of the population is designed with an emotional authority. So half of the world is here to like wait. Um that's so important. Yes. Um, and for so for Lauren, your emotional um authority is connected right to your throat. Um it's un it's an unconscious channel. Um I would just encourage you to like talk things out, you know, when you are making decisions. Um, I think that would be really helpful. And then, but for um for Frank, it's it's a little different. He, I mean, he does have his sacral is connected right to the throat, but that's a different kind of energy. He doesn't like his ability to talk through emotions is going to be different than your connection to it. But your connection to your desires and what you really want, that's what's fueling your decisions. It's coming from the heart center. So, um, so you know, to know that about one another and to know, okay, well, in our decision-making process, it's gonna take us time. Um, but for Frank, he's gonna be bringing to the table what is, you know, what is really sitting on your heart? What is your kind of being selfish? Like, what are your heart's desires? And then for Lauren, it's gonna be more like talking out your feelings about it. So it plays out in different ways.

Frank:

You know what's funny is not exactly now that I'm thinking about how we like talk about like group decisions, family decisions, a lot of the time it's like it's like, oh well, I'll sit down with Lauren. I'm like, you're not talking. What do you want? What do we want? What do we want? Because uh and to a certain extent, I'm like, what do I want? But then Lauren starts talking, I'm like, that feels good. Yeah, I like this. And then she's like, okay. It's it's just a weird like dynamic.

Lauren:

Yeah. Yeah. But also if I don't have the opportunity to like talk through something.

Frank:

Or if you're feeling like if you're feeling like crushed for some reason.

Lauren:

Yeah. Then I'm like, like sometimes I'll be like, just let me speak because I'm I'm working through it as I'm saying it out loud. And yeah. And I think sometimes because you don't do that, right? Yours is all up in your head. And I'm like, I'm working this out as I'm saying it. I don't need you to fix it yet. I just need to chat it out.

Frank:

Let's be clear. It's not up in my head. My head is just spinning possibilities. I but when we make decisions, I I do like feel it first.

Lauren:

Right. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Frank:

Oh man, I can give you, I can give you options for days.

Lauren:

Wait, so okay, I I have a question about the authority because one, can you just give a a brief explainer on authority? And two, I feel like I get kind of both things where people some people say if your authority is emotional, it's that sacral, like it's a yes or a no. Like just ask yourself that question. But then I also hear that it's emotional. So I'm I get confused easily on this.

Lori:

Yeah. Um, so authority is your inner decision maker. And what human design teaches is essentially it's not about making decisions with your logical mind. It's about tuning into what feels right, tuning into that inner, like knowing, inner intuition. And then there are seven different kinds of authorities, though, and they work differently in our bodies. And even within the authorities themselves, like even if you have the same authority, like we just talked about, you both have an emotional authority. Even those can function differently, you know. So um you, so emotional authority is 50% of the population. Um, they're the main thing that needs to happen for you if you're emotional is taking your time. That's kind of the big overarching theme. And it sometimes can be confusing for the terminology emotional, because people think, oh, well, I make decisions based on, you know, my emotions. And that's not it, especially if you are a generator type, either a generator or a manifesting generator, because if you make a decision based on your sacral response, which is what you were just talking about, that gut feeling, that like, ooh, yes, you know, when you feel pulled to something or excited about something, if you make a decision in the moment, right? It's like bad news. Like you don't want to do that. Um, instead, you want to, this is for all the generators, generator types who have emotional authority. Instead, you want to just listen to that initial response from your sacral because that is important. It's informing you, it's giving you like the initial yes, but then you want to wait and see. So, for example, let's say that you decide you're gonna take a family trip to Costa Rica and you, you know, you pick some dates and you pick a place to stay, um, or you're looking at places to stay, and you see one that looks great and you're super excited about it, and you get a sacral yes, which means that you're drawn to it. It means like you're leaning into your computer, like, oh my God, this place looks amazing. It's so beautiful, it's got everything we want, you know. So um, so what you want to do in that moment is just bookmark it and then wait some time and then say, maybe the next day somebody, you know, you ask somebody, hey, we're going to Costa Rica, we're going to, you know, Tamarindo. Have you ever stayed there? And they send you the place that they stayed, and it happens to be the place that you were looking at, and you're like, oh, okay, here's here's a breadcrumb. Here's the universe, like giving me the nod. Okay, that is good news. And then maybe you go to book your flights and the flights line up perfectly. It's going to get you on the front doorstep just at the right time for check-in. That's another like green light. So you're kind of looking for those breadcrumbs to give you more information with it with the emotional authority versus if you got all excited and then you know you told your friend you were going to Tamarindo and they said, Oh, this place we stayed at was horrible. It looked so beautiful online, you know, and they send it to you and it's the same place, and you're like, Whew, okay, dodged a bullet there. That's more information, you know, coming in for you. So you're just sort of waiting. And the the purpose for waiting is for more information to come in, to just let it like sit. And you're also waiting to ride your emotional wave. And there are different, different waves, but essentially you don't want to make a decision in the high or the low. You know, you don't want to make the call if you're feeling really bummed out, and you don't want to make the call if you're feeling like super excited. Um, versus a sacral, which would also be a generator type. It's either going to be a generator or a manifesting generator. They're about 30. I can't remember the percentage for um the sacral exactly, but it's roughly 30%. Um, and so when you only have the sacral and you don't have an emotional authority, um, then you can go in the moment. You get that initial rush, that initial like knowing in the moment, and you can make the call there.

Lauren:

So in this Costa Rica, sorry, I'm yeah, sorry, I interrupted you. In this Costa Rica example, for a sacral authority, if they hear the same story where the friend is like, that place was terrible, does the sacral authority still go like, I don't care, I'm excited about it? Like I think our I think Jean, our daughter, is sacral and oh god, she is just like bullet train, like no matter what you say. She's like, I'm it's a television.

Frank:

She's like television.

Lauren:

I'm going to audition for America's Got Talent. And we're like, let me tell you something about these auditions. And she's like, okay, I'm so excited to audition for America's Got Talent. Like, listen, your video might never be watched, and you will never, you might never get a response. We don't want to deter you. She was like, cool, can't wait to audition. There's no stopping this kid, which I love. But this is so okay, that tells me a lot.

Lori:

Yes. And I also want to kind of give a caveat here that your authority, remember how I was saying this is your sole curriculum. Um, you know, your authority might take you down a road that unfolds differently than what you expected. You know, maybe you end up booking that place in Costa Rica that looked amazing and your friends said it was horrible, and you got there and, you know, you had a horrible experience, but you came out of it with some amazing life lessons, you know, or things that, you know, maybe you met somebody there that um changed your life in some way. You know, it it's it's really, this is the challenging part of like trusting your body and your body's response, and then being able to look back and reflect on, hmm, okay, what what did I get out of that? Um, and your daughter, I mean, as a sacral manifesting generator, she is gonna move fast. Like manifesting generators are here for efficiency, they're here to, you know, take shortcuts. Oh, she's a generator. Okay, okay. Yeah, yeah. Um still gonna like in the moment have have the opportunity to like make the call and move quickly because she's got the generator energy to move it. Um, so and you know, I would say sometimes the sacral can change, you know, you could ask her in like 10 days about something that she gave you a yes to. It's the sacral yes, some people say, you know, if it's not a hell yes, then it's a no. And I don't know. I I feel like in my experience and um and also my observations of generator types, it it doesn't necessarily always have to be a hell yes. Sometimes it's more like, do I have the energy for this? You know, do I have the energy to like see it all the way through? Um that can be more, you know, informative for for sacral authorities. Yeah. There are five other authorities. I don't know if you want to talk about them that it take a bit to get through them, but um, there is a degree of waiting on you know, all of them to some extent. Waiting for something anyway.

Frank:

Who's who who doesn't have to wait? Who's the let's go?

Lori:

Um, the closest would be sacral and splenic. Um and I guess probably ego too. Um, so sacral and splenic are very much in the moment. Um, the ego is a little more like, I think it takes a little more reflection because it's about what you want. It's about like your heart's desire versus splenic is more about what's going to keep me safe, what intuitively feels right for me. Sacral is that gut feeling. Um, and then you have um self-projected, which is um when you're talking it out according to like what feels right for you, what feels like who you truly are. We use it's called soundboarding, but basically, like you're trying to, you were mentioning it earlier, something that you do, Lauren, when you just talk it out as you're processing it and saying it out loud. Soundboarding is when the other person will reflect for you what they heard you say, not what they think you should do, not an opinion, but like, hey, I heard you say this, and I heard, you know, it sounded your voice sounded really excited. It sounded like your words sped up, or you, you know, maybe it was the opposite, your voice dropped, and you sounded. Really unsure of yourself when you were talking. Those kinds of things can be really helpful. And then there's mental authority, which is being in the right environment and doing the same thing using your voice. And then reflectors have um what's called lunar authority. And they have to wait the longest. It's literally like seeing patterns, you know, over a moment.

Frank:

We talked about that a little bit on our last episodes.

Lori:

Yeah.

Frank:

That that one's a trip.

Lauren:

Waiting on the moon to the moon. Yeah. Yeah. Um, what and then there's also no inner authority. Like if someone are they outsourcing their decision making?

Lori:

That one's more like the the environmental authority is the same as no inner authority. And basically, it's just about being in the right environment, you know, to feel like you can connect with what feels right to you. Um, I always tell people who have this authority to talk things out in different environments, you know, use your voice to kind of see like, talk about it in the shower. My son actually has this, one of my sons has this authority. And he, when he was little, he still does this. He used to talk to himself all the time. And my husband would be like, what the hell? Like, should we be worried about him? And thank goodness I knew something about human design because I knew, like, no, actually, he's doing exactly what he needs to do. Um, and he'd have full-on conversations with himself while he was out, like kicking the soccer ball around or in the shower. And, you know, just those, all those different places, and then also talking to his friends and to us, then he can kind of come to a conclusion. So, yeah, that's what that is.

Frank:

That's really fun.

Lauren:

I feel that I talk to myself all the time, especially in the car. That's how I work things out. Oh, great place. Yeah.

Frank:

Talk to us about the Uranus opposition a little bit.

Lori:

Hmm, yeah. Um, that is the classic kind of the stereotypical midlife crisis. It's when in your astrology chart, when Uranus is opposing your natal Uranus. So um, it takes about 80-ish years for Uranus to go all the way around these astrological signs. And so halfway would be around your 40s. And so this is that classic time when you're just rethinking your priorities, your, you know, what resonates with you. Have I been living the life that I wanted to live? Uh, and it's interesting when I talk to people who are in their 40s, I don't think they necessarily identify with the word midlife yet. It feels, you know, yeah, it feels a little bit too like, no, that's more your 50s, which feels feels like right and and fair. And hopefully for us, right? We'll be living longer and longer. Um, but that yeah, right. That Uranus opposition can be a time that just stirs up some big questions, you know, and an opportunity, I think, that allows us to see, you know, ask those questions. Like, are we really building the life that we wanted to, or are we just kind of checking the boxes that are expected of us?

Frank:

So now does that does that trigger something in human design, or is that how does this play out?

Lori:

Um so astrology is one of the systems in human design, you know, like with all of the gate placements. And there are transits, you know, that happen. Um, like the sun, I was mentioning, goes transits each gate. Um, the moon will be in a in a transition. So, but it's I would look at the Uranus opposition as being more of an astrological happening, you know, an astrology placement. But how I would use human design during that time is to say, okay, let's look at your chart and see how are these things playing out in your life? You know, are you, if you have an undefined root, for example, are you feeling like so stressed out all the time? Are you feeling like you're running yourself ragged all the time? Are you trying to keep up and, you know, do have a to-do list a mile long and feel like you'll never get it done and that you have to, you have to check off all those things on the to-do list before you can possibly relax? You know, are those some of the things that maybe are happening for you? And if so, then this is an invitation to to be like, okay, how do I, how do I start to, you know, separate from that conditioning? And how do I how do I start to turn that into wisdom instead of, you know, running around like a chicken with my head cut off all the time?

Frank:

There's I something else I actually want to check in with you on about this, is that okay, so like even according to the stars, everyone has signed up for uh Uranus opposition. Um but very few people acknowledge that they might be going through a thing right now. And also like societally, like we when we talk about a midlife or a midlife crisis, or it doesn't sound very good. It's something to avoid. But if it's something that's like like mechanically built in, like uh how can that present and what the hell are we supposed to do about it in order to like address it in a healthy way?

Lori:

Yeah, I mean, if you make it to the age of around 40, between 40 and like 42, 43-ish, I mean, yeah. If you make it to that age, then your Uranus is going to oppose your natal uranus. That's going to happen. So, you know, what how do you make it a good thing? I think awareness is always where I start with everything. Uh, anytime you want to try to solve a potential problem, you have to first be aware that something is happening. So, understanding, like, okay, this, you know, the I can look. Um, AstroSeq is the website that I use for astrology transits. It's totally free. You can go on and put in your birth information and you can see, like, about when will my Uranus opposition be happening? And then you know, and you're like, okay. And then, you know, it's it's surrender really, because you didn't come here to earth school to like for everything to be a cakewalk, right? You came here to have the human experience. So this is like a checkpoint for you. This is, you know, this is your soul giving you a test, your quiz time. You know, it's like, okay, here, here you are. It's time for uh for you to just take stock of how you've been living your life. And do you like it? You know, do you like who you're becoming? And if not, where do you want to pivot?

Lauren:

That's so interesting because I feel like that's it's either you lean into what does this mean? Like, what is this transition period for me? Or you ignore that and you go, it's time to buy a convertible or have an affair, or like, you know, leave the country and like abandon everything. Totally. I feel like those are the you know, classic like American crisis, American ways to manage emotions.

Lori:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, 100%. 100%. And and I want, I guess I want to have also some empathy for those ways of expressing that because sometimes it's not always conscious, you know. You you you may just feel like uh restlessness, you know, like this deep, deep restlessness, and you don't really know what it's about or why it's here. And so you're just trying to fix it or change something. And those outward ways of changing, you know, they do, they do change something within you. Those experiences that you have definitely change something within you, but it doesn't always have to play out like that either. You know, you don't have to go into debt and buy the convertible or you know, wreck your life with you know a second family. Yeah, exactly.

Frank:

Wait, so can I ask you this? Is there like um is there a window in which you're supposed to address this stuff, or is it like once this happens, now like anytime you're ready? Like, or is it like I need to do this at 42?

Lori:

I mean, I I would check your specific transits and see when it will be happening for you. And then again, it's it just goes back to that awareness, you know, knowing. And uh here's where I would caution you because I don't want anybody listening to this who hasn't hit this point in their life yet to be to feel like you're going in, you know, like holding, you know, like, oh my God, you know, holding on to the the proverbial, you're headed up on the um on the roller coaster and you're headed toward the top, and you don't want to reach the pitch and head back down and be screaming your head off. It's more like, okay, this is an opportunity. It's just a place to look back and take an assessment of my life. And it's an invitation for you to do that. And the I think the more proactive you can be, the less it's going to feel like such a major, you know, challenge in your life.

Frank:

I think that's the thing that like is really important that I'm I'm picking up on here is that like we do always talk about a midlife crisis and how do I avoid this? And it's like, no, it's gonna happen and it doesn't have to be a crisis. Yeah, exactly. You're gonna have this experience, you're gonna have this thing that um put it this way, you're you're 40 something now, and you'd have you've had plenty of time to stray a little bit from things that feel right to you and like are in your in your life path. And now this is a great opportunity to catch those because they might be predominant enough to identify and correct. Exactly. All right.

Lori:

Yeah, that's beautifully said. I I like to think of it as a portal. You know, it's not a crisis, it's a portal. Redefining it as such is so much more empowering.

Frank:

But also I want to like it's better than my example of saying that. This is the TSA check for how things are going.

Lauren:

But also like, I don't know, I I always think about like someone who's beyond that stage, who might be in their like late 50s to like mid-60s, who maybe s now think like uh it's all I my chance, like my um my opportunity has passed or whatever to you know, course correct or set things set things right. But because we're kind of just specifically talking about like being in your 40s or whatever, but right like I'm sure you work with women who are like, oh my God, I don't know what to do with myself. I'm 65 and am I done? Yeah, you know?

Lori:

Yeah, I actually it's interesting. I have had a lot of women lately coming to me who are in their later 50s and early 60s. And what I have noticed about that particular group of women is that it feels much more like a spiritual journey, you know, like they're really looking to to deepen into that and bringing more meaning into their life. You know, it's they've already checked all the boxes, they've already been through the, you know, the transition. They've already, they're already as women into menopause. And so at that point, so much of the societal expectations of the roles that they should play as women have kind of fallen away. And this is the first time in their lives where they really get to redefine everything.

Lauren:

Oh wow. I love that too. Yeah, I think that's so empowering because yeah, we like media in every way has just like signed off on anyone like 60 plus. And when you really think about it as like you're you're still like pretty young. Like when you think about, you know, the fact that you could live till you're 90.

Frank:

I mean, we one of our Lauren and I started picking up on it, but like, and I'm guilty of it. I used to say it all the time. But uh this thing that we all go around doing of we turn 35 and start saying how old we are is kind of devastating.

Lauren:

It's so bad.

Frank:

It's so not good for you.

Lauren:

Like I like refuse to say it.

Frank:

Yeah, and I don't say it anymore.

Lauren:

Yeah, like yeah, when someone turns, like, yeah, I mean you can get less cool, you can get less cool for sure.

Frank:

And I have gotten less cool. But I'm getting old. Come on, I'm not getting old.

Lauren:

Yeah, I'm gonna go like I'm too old for that, or like we're old now. No, it's like shut up, stop telling yourself that. You're just gonna, you know, you're gonna make your body crumble faster.

Lori:

Yes, 100% you are, especially with defined throats. You know, the the words, if you have a defined throat, the words that you speak are like manifestations. They are you are speaking your reality into existence. So really paying attention to the words that you say is important. And I mean, this goes for undefined throats as well, but I think understanding that you re you create your reality by your thoughts and what you're what you're saying out loud to yourself. Absolutely. And I mean, I just turned I'm 51 and no, 52. See, you forget. You're like, wait, did I lose a year? I'm 52 now. And um, and yeah, it's uh I used to think 50 was old, and now I'm like, what? I am just getting started, people. Yeah. So yeah.

Frank:

It's a big deal. Uh so many people think they're done. There's they're done. I hit 40, I'm done. I hit 50, I'm done. There's what what am I gonna do now? Well, you can do everything now.

Lauren:

Why are we doing this to ourselves? Yeah, stop doing that.

Frank:

Absolutely. That's so fun. So this is uh so human design, especially at the uh Uranus Opposition, is like a spiritual, this is a spiritual physical. It's a time for a checkup. So go get a mammogram, go turn your head left and cough. But but on the spiritual sense, you know, it's uh I love it. Then you're you're Dr. Lori, you're getting in there.

Lori:

You're uh that is perfect. Yeah. Spiritual, physical. I like it. I like it. TM, TM, trademark that. Great.

Frank:

Yep.

Lauren:

That's cool. Lori, tell everyone how they can work with you. Like where can they find you so they are our midlife or or otherwise can can work with you.

Lori:

Yeah. So easiest way is to go to my website, laurelisci.com, and all of my offers are there. I do have a podcast as well called Midlife by Design. Uh, it's like Midlife by Human Design. Um and uh and I work with people in a coaching capacity. I also teach workshops locally, and I um I just love using this tool to help people because it feels like that giant permission slip that they've been looking for, that they don't even necessarily know, you know, that they were looking for it. But it essentially gives them the permission that they have been wanting so that they can be who they came here to be.

Lauren:

What a fun conversation. You explained it well, and it was like, yeah, I I was finally able to keep up with the the gates and channels better than usual.

Frank:

Your your chill rubbed off on Lauren and it worked out for the best.

Lauren:

Yes. Excellent. On your chill. Excellent.

Frank:

All right, Lori. Thank you so much for hanging out with us today. And we'll we'll talk to you soon, okay?

Lori:

All right, sounds good. Thank you.

Frank:

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