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{REPLAY} 012: Let's Get Metaphysical // with Sara R. Reeves

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This is our most listened-to episode, so we are bringing it back to the top of the list. Whether you've heard this episode before or not, it deserves a listen.

Sara Reeves, the former resident psychic and educator from the Night Owl podcast joins us to share the wisdom she has garnered from her interactions with the other side. As the founder of 'The Metaphysical U' and the voice behind the 'MP Unleashed' podcast, Sara recounts the critical moments that shaped her path and offers insights into embracing our intuitive selves.

Sara tells stories of unusual happenings within her home, and we discuss the significance of acknowledging young family members with psychic gifts. This episode is not only about recognizing our own abilities but also about the support systems that help us navigate them.

During our chat with Sara, we delve into the practicalities of connecting with spirit guides, fostering mental well-being, and the intricacies of teaching psychic skills. Whether you're looking to better understand your own experiences or to develop latent abilities, Sara Reeves is a lighthouse guiding you through the mystical fog.

To learn more about Sara, find a mediumship course, or book a reading:
https://www.metaphysicalu.com/ 

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Lauren:

Wayfeather Media presents Claire Voyaging. Good afternoon, good evening, good morning.

Frank:

In that order.

Lauren:

All of those. Hello.

Frank:

Hello.

Lauren:

Well, it's another day.

Frank:

It's another comfortable intro from Frank and Lauren.

Lauren:

It's another day in the Leon household.

Frank:

It sure is. COVID strikes again. Again. Guess what I'm up for?

Lauren:

What?

Frank:

Four. This is number four. This is round four for me.

Lauren:

Yeah. I think round I don't have it. So not this one's not on me.

Frank:

Look at that. She just rubs it in my face.

Lauren:

I don't know. Maybe I'm still immune anyway. Hello, everyone. We've got a fun show today.

Frank:

Man, she sells it. Listen up. We've got a special one today. This is uh this one's a big deal to me. Uh I I had the nervous sweats, full disclosure.

Lauren:

I did.

Frank:

I did.

Lauren:

Frank walked away sweating for sure.

Frank:

It was either COVID or or just my nervousness.

Lauren:

Yeah, I think we're excited. He's a fan.

Frank:

I'm a big fan. I'm a big fan.

Lauren:

I am too.

Frank:

But you are now.

Lauren:

Yes.

Frank:

So we had uh Sarah R. Reeves on the show and had a great conversation. Sarah is probably made popular from the uh podcast called uh the Night Owl Podcast. The Night Owl Podcast is kind of like a ghost hunting show, except for it's a podcast. And if it were a show, it would have been the best show that's a ghost hunting show that I've ever seen, but it's a podcast. And Sarah, for a while, was the resident psychic. And oh man, like the the show itself is amazing, and the host, Steven, does an incredible job. And I recommend it to anybody who's interested in any of the paranormal stuff. But Sarah's participation on it was just a pleasure. She was kind of like the bringing in the big guns. And she just her approach to um uh talking to spirits and stuff, she just has a she has a very strong command of the field.

Lauren:

She's like having conversations, like, okay, well, what are you doing here? Oh, you're gonna talk to me? It's so awesome.

Frank:

Yeah.

Lauren:

I'm much further behind from Frank. Frank is like very caught up with that podcast. Very caught up. Uh I'm not, but I became an immediate fan. So she's no longer on that podcast. She is doing her own stuff because she's a badass.

Frank:

Yeah. Sarah, Sarah started her own metaphysical school for for psychic training called Metaphysical U.

Lauren:

Yeah. She's teaching intuition development and mediumship.

Frank:

And I think she kind of helped us along the way too.

Lauren:

I think so.

Frank:

And then uh she also has her own podcast called MP Unleashed, where she um hosts it alongside some of the other practitioners at Metaphysical U.

Lauren:

Yeah. She's so cool. I need to like listen to her insight again because hearing it the first time, I was like, oh, I need to take all of this in.

Frank:

And so I took notes the first time around while we were talking to her, and then I took notes again while I was editing because I'm like, this is some good stuff.

Lauren:

Yeah.

Frank:

And also, uh, I I might have cut it out, but her her husband Renee made a sneak appearance during the uh the interview, which I was very excited because he also is someone who showed up on the the Night Owl podcast. So uh I hope you enjoy it. Lauren, any any final words before we get into it?

Lauren:

Enjoy Sarah Reeves.

Frank:

Enjoy Sarah Reeves. We did. Sarah Reeves, thank you so much for joining us today.

Sara:

Of course. Thank you for having me. I appreciate you guys reaching out.

Frank:

Full disclosure, because I haven't already said it, even though we've been talking for like five minutes or something. But you are to me, you are like an A-list celebrity. I like am a giant, giant fan. I listen to I listened to all of the uh Night Owl podcasts, and I feel like that really gave me a little bit an idea of your uh how you've grown as a medium. And you've helped me personally, you've shown me how to not be afraid of the unknown. You've I've like through you, I've really seen how spirits really are just people and you have to set your boundaries, just like you would with the living and all that. And it's been an absolute pleasure to hear you work.

Sara:

That's wonderful. I'm just I'm just glad you're leaning into your intuition. So that's that's good. Anything I can do to help for that, that's that's fabulous.

Lauren:

Frank's always been such a fan of you know listening to anything paranormal. And there was a shift all of a sudden, you actually you were like, okay, I don't I remember you saying, I don't feel that scared. Spirits are just people and it seems like they're everywhere. Kind of like got this conversation going in the last like six months, along with like our family, one of our family members experiencing something that we were like, let's dive a little deeper.

Frank:

Right.

Lauren:

I like it. I like it.

Frank:

So if you don't mind, can you can you tell us about yourself and and and how you got started? I I feel like I'm somewhat familiar, but for for those of you, for those out there who aren't super mega fans like myself.

Sara:

Well, it depends on what point in time you want to you want to say got started. So I've been pretty much doing this, right? Whatever my my living at my intuition for like since I was born, right? Since I was little. It's just that um, you know, when when we have children, the life does not become ours anymore. And so parts of myself just kind of like not necessarily forgot about the fact that I could do this, it just wasn't important, right? It wasn't the priority one of things. I was just trying to keep my kids alive, which was which was nice. Um, and then you know, flying on intuition, that's kind of where you are, where you're just trying to stay awake and stay alive, you know, when your kids are toddlers and like all these weird things are going on and you're trying to figure yourself out. Um, and then, you know, I my husband actually kicked all of this off, so it wasn't really me. He reached out to an occult team to come out and investigate our house because we started having so many very unusual issues, um, to the point where my daughter, who's not a not, she will openly be like, no, I don't want to deal with this stuff. Like, I'm not a sensitive person. She was having experiences that she couldn't deny. Something's happening. We need to figure things out, right? So he reached out, you know, I thought it was extreme on my husband's part to be like, we need to get, you know, some some form of Ghostbusters, right? And into our house and get this stuff. And um, you know, Steven's team came in, right? So it was at the time they were an occult team and it was basically the whole same team from the podcast, right? It was before he even got married. So it was like one of those weird things that I met them like right when they were, you know, gonna get married and stuff. So it was real fun. That's awesome. And it was a blessing and a curse, right? Like that whole meeting, it was just kind of like, oh, it's not your house, right? It's you. So figure your life out. Okay, thanks. Bye.

Frank:

Wow.

Sara:

Um, and so he left, you know, he left me with some information and a really good contact. Um, and Alexis has always been really great about you know, sharing information and things and where I could go, you know, to to and then it just kind of kicked in, and I went, wait, wait, wait, I gotta go back to my family because I know that we all believe in this stuff. And then there's you know, history of the things that we could do, you know, prior to us, right? Generations before us, and then it just kicked everything off. Right? Five years later, Steven was like, Let's do this thing, tricked me.

Frank:

Right.

Sara:

Never say yes to a cup of coffee with you.

Frank:

Apparently, yeah. There's always something to it.

Lauren:

So you you there were you were experiencing things in your house, and this team was like, No, it's actually you are attracting like spirits to you.

Sara:

Like that's your that's your yeah, it's your fault.

Lauren:

Always like, oh okay, well, let me own that, right? Was your husband like, oh great, Sarah?

Sara:

He was just, you know, he was he was he's always been uh a big fan of the paranormal and the unexplained, you know, that's not something that was which I I think I got really lucky in because when I talk to a lot of my the students that I have and people that have come to me, they come from places where they don't have that, right? They don't have that support system or anybody that believes that they're in hiding or essentially, right? Then in uh girls' protection programs, right? So we, you know, we together as a couple kind of just were like, okay, this is a thing, right? Like this is a thing that I've got to figure out how to do. And then it just kind of like clicked because there he was like, you know, you do a lot of weird, you know, there are a little weird things that you do, and there's a lot of weird things that he does too, right? That I'm, you know, I'm aware of. I'm like, oh, he has this magic button that does stuff. And um, it was really just being able to put, you know, labels and names and understanding behind it that kind of drove us forward, right? That was so it was it's good that I had a partner that didn't think I was crazy.

Frank:

Yeah. I wish Lauren had that. Unfortunately, her partner feels like she's crazy.

Sara:

It's true. No.

Frank:

If it's not too personal, like what kind of stuff was going on around your house?

Sara:

My so my house is in the perfect space of weird thing that can weird things can happen in our house. So we're backed up against a creek. There's a creek behind our house. Um we've got like uh a lot of you know critters and things that kind of run around. So we have a lot of nature stuff that's going in, and and it's a really strange, close to a historically monumental part of of um our city. So um when we first got the house, there were already things that were happening. My husband was like, at the time we got it, I was overseas, and I didn't even know what the house looked like, right? He picked it out. So I was overseas and he was kind of moving us in, and he said he he was like, I don't know, like the I would come and nothing was fine, everything was fine, nothing was on, and all of a sudden the burners in the kitchen would be like bright red, like the coils would be bright, right?

Frank:

Oh my gosh.

Sara:

Oh he was like, I don't he would go and look, you know, is there an electrical thing, right? He's thinking it's a new house, they didn't tell us, you know, we're you know, something electrical, and nope, he would turn everything off, and it wasn't like the stoves that you can just like click it open, it was like push-down turn, right? It was not uh right. So he was like, That's just odd. Yeah. Like just really odd. And um, when I came, I I showed up maybe a couple weeks after they were moving in and was home alone because we missed miscommunications, right? I got to the house before he did, and I was like, This is our house, this is really nice. And he's like, just go in, you know, break in through the back, it's open, right? Like that kind of stuff where we are. That's not it. I had to be like, This is my house. Breaking into the house, and so um, you know, walking in, I could feel like I I don't know how to explain it. I could feel the house. Like I could feel the house asking, who the fuck are you? Like that one, I was like, Yeah, whoa, Simba. I'm one of the other, you know, I'm married to the dude that's been running around here for the last two weeks, right? And I remember just kind of walking and know almost knowing where others were in the home. Like I wasn't there by myself, and I just kind of was like, okay, well, you know, I had to kind of like, I'm you want to show me around. And I kind of really let my let myself be led through the house as I was just kind of discovering stuff and not really, not really understanding why I was doing it. I just knew that I had to do it. So then, you know, we escalate a few years later, and my son was in Heelys, if you guys remember those in the Heelys all around the garage floor, right? He was just having a wonderful time going around in circles, and he goes, Whoa! And kind of stops and he's in the middle of the garage, and we both run in because we thought maybe he fell or maybe he, you know, something fell on him or something. And he was like, There was a little boy in here. And I was like, What? He goes, Yeah, there's a little boy in here. I swear. And you know, he gave us this whole description, he's like five years old, right? Five years old. And I was like, um, I said, Well, I said, Okay, you know, like whatever. You know, he it was in school, and then come to find out that this little boy was very predominant in in our house. And I would see him very often because I would always mistake him for either my son or a friend of my son's, right? Like, oh my gosh, but your friend went home, right? Like that that that kind of stuff. And I was like, What is going on? And he tended to, you know, loom and play in my son's bedroom, turn things on, turn things off, right? Stuff like that. In the back, when we first moved in, there was there's a homestead, like a larger homestead behind us, and that lady passed away, and she made it very clear that she was gonna be roaming at a property. So sometimes when we would be sitting outside, we would see her, or I would say, I would see her and go, Did you see that lady? I would tell my husband, Did you see this lady? No, I don't see her. I'm like, I'm telling you. Um, and then as it kind of escalated, it escalated to like things just opening and closing on their own. You know, sometimes we would walk in kitchen cabinets, it also it looked like somebody invisible would walk in, open kitchen cabinets, close them, like they were cooking or something, right? You could see the kind of progression of the things that were going on. And it was like, okay. And I think the straw that broke the camel's back when it was like really bad, um, I was sitting in the in the couch, and the way that it's kind of set up, I can see from the living room, I can see it like the kitchen dining room, and then I was watching TV hanging out with one of our dogs. He was sitting in my lap, you know, just kind of like chilling. And my husband turned the corner of the hallway, saw us both look up towards the kitchen door, the kitchen door opened. We followed whatever it was that came in, the garage door opened, closed, and then we just went right back to watching.

Frank:

Oh my god, yeah, don't mind me. Like, I think we need to get some help right now.

Lauren:

Oh my god.

Frank:

That's wild.

Sara:

So anything from you know, things moving around, sounds, uh, doors open and closing on their own, uh, electrical issues. I mean, just like anything you name it, it was probably happening in the house. It was insane.

Frank:

Wow. So once you started like leaning into your abilities and trying to fire them back up again, um well, how how what was that process like?

Sara:

That process sucked. It was, and it was because there are so many, you know, I'm gonna try to put it nicely because I'm part of the boat, right? Like, so I'm part I'm not part of that boat, but I'm part of some of the boat. There were so many people out there that are really in this to make money, and they're not really in this to help you figure things out. So I needed a person that I could, you know, be like, okay, have you ever experienced like this? And if you did, what is it like? And to explain it to me in terms that I would understand, not like, here, let me let me give you these fancy terms because maybe I paid you know two million dollars at a fancy shit over you know over in England.

Frank:

Yeah, I don't know.

Sara:

But they come up with some bullshit, right? When you're in there, and so it was really just that was the hardest part, is when I got to the point where I was exceeding the knowledge that I was needing. Oh wow. I knew where I knew you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. I need to go somewhere else. And it was very, very difficult. You know, Alexis was very helpful. Alexis from City Alchemist, who's also on the podcast, right? Extremely knowledgeable, him and Eric. And they were very helpful and kind of just like me, you know, maybe read these books or go through this stuff, you know, because our practices are completely different. So he's he was really doing a wonderful job of trying to kind of keep me afloat in a lot of the knowledge. And a lot of the old family things that I had to, you know, rehash. My my sister Anna was our memory, right? Of everything that was going on. So it was like, hey, do you remember when we used to do this? Do you remember why? You know, this was so it was just kind of piecemealing like everything together to know, okay, I know I can do that. Or, you know, I'd get the fancy term, oh, can you do this thing? And I'd be like, okay, but what is it? Because if you can tell me what it is, I can pretty much tell you I'm doing it. So let me see if I can do it, or maybe I'm not doing it, or I gotta practice it or something. And it was really a lot of doing that, right? Just kind of like pinpointing, you know, different things. And luckily, um, you know, the Nidell led me to Elaine, right? Elaine Ironan is my mentor now. She's freaking amazing, and she's been working working in this industry since she was a kid, right? So she has like over 60 years of experience in just doing all this stuff. Wow, that's wow. And she very cleanly was like, Oh, honey, this is what you're doing, right? Like she knew exactly what it was, and let me, you know, connect you to this other person and let it go do this other thing. And remember that let me let you read this book from like way ancient times. I would have never thought to read, right? Yeah. And I was like, Oh, I love this, right? Because she is older and came up in a frame where this was hidden, right? She could be physically harmed or murdered for doing what she did in her day and age, right? Something completely different. And so she's she was really a great uh help to really figuring out. She's like, You're way more, you know, advanced than you think you are. You've got to just kind of like push and and move and do the things, right? She was really encouraging me to try different things out just to kind of see where I was at. Um, and I think she it was because her ability to explain what was happening was very helpful in me growing. And I was determined, you know. Once I once I figured out, I was determined. I was like, nobody should be going through the shit that I went through for five, six years trying to figure shit out and throwing money away and you know, doing stuff nobody to learn what your basic body is designed to do. It's stupid.

Frank:

Yeah.

Sara:

It's just wow.

Lauren:

So it sounds like there was like quite a bit of gatekeeping with like people not wanting to like help, just like understand.

Sara:

They understood that some aspects of this is a you know, it's a business. And so the leaders, the leaders in a lot of the spices um that that are you know public facing are business facing, but the really good practitioners, you've never heard of them. Yeah, you've never heard of them, they are hidden away. Some of them are more afraid of their ability than than you are, and and don't want they don't care to learn more. They're like, I'm dealing with the shit already. Yeah, yeah. You know, I'll help you up until what I know, and then that's all I'm gonna do. And they don't want to be out in the public because they don't want to have people, they don't want to put themselves in those places where they have to use their ability. It's scary to them. Sure. And I get that. It is, it can be scary when um you know, when you don't have somebody to support you and you've you've gone years and years kind of trying to piecemeal stuff together. So um, you know, the really, really good practitioners, they're not somebody that you're really gonna hear from, or they're older practitioners that understand if somebody finds out what I can do, I could be harmed, or you know, I can do a lot of things that I you know people could hold against me. So it's it's a really interesting industry if we're looking at it in form of an industry, but if you're looking at it in form of everybody's intuitive, uh um the base knowledge of it should be something that should be openly shared. It's just you know, it's it's dumb to keep those things a secret.

Lauren:

Has your husband done any development, like intuitive development or anything, like through you? Like have you taught him anything?

Sara:

It took a little bit, but yes.

Lauren:

Yes, really?

Sara:

Because we're married, right? Yeah, one of those maybe we should try this. It was like, yeah, okay, whatever.

Lauren:

Oh, I know that very well. Where do I know that from? I'm like, be quiet. Then someone tells me the same exact thing like a few weeks later. And you're like, yeah, that's great.

Sara:

Yeah, he used to do the same thing.

Frank:

I love when Lauren gets revelations from somebody else. That I dropped on her like weeks prior. It's fine. It's fine.

Sara:

It's part of it. It's part of it. It's part of the marriage. Yeah. You know, development. The couple development of this. You're fine.

Lauren:

You're fine.

Frank:

So and sorry, remember remind me of your husband's name again?

Sara:

Renee.

Frank:

Renee, that's right. So what is he kind of practicing?

Sara:

He's just, he really is just somebody that's managing his own ability. He just doesn't openly do anything. So if he's doing any kind of practice, it's to help me. So I kind of you know selfishly have trained him to help me do stuff. This is great. Walking battery power or my walking ball that nobody can go through, right? Like so it's just kind of fun. But his natural ability is uh it's connective, so he understands when the end of a connection is going to come. So he's very accurate and very scary at telling you when someone's going to pass. Oh if he keeps them or he's in proximity of them, he's going to be like, that's no by no, right? So he's all these things. Um, his energy blocks other energy, which I'm grateful for sometimes in a protective fashion, because he's very protective by nature. So I think that just emanates out of him. Um and he's fantastic at generating energy. So, you know, he brings in energy that I can pull or connect to to add on to my own, which is um a fun thing that I think I was doing it before I even knew I was doing that to him.

Frank:

Poor guy. Do you just have him walking around with a like a bandolier of Red Bulls?

Sara:

Like a battery. Yeah, I do. He's got those little vials of holy water.

Frank:

So then with your mindset of wanting, of believing that so much of this stuff should be a little bit more available, uh developmental like resources. Was that your impetus to start the metaphysical you?

Sara:

Yeah. So that's a I started Metaphysical U, and it really is a place where you can come to um to really get community and get learning, right? It's it is learning foundations, right? So my favorite thing is to learn the base of everything, right? Sometimes people will call it yellow and red, but the base foundation is green, right? So we just need to know what the green is. And this allows the person to truly understand how to develop. And then later, when they when something piques their interest, like a specialization or something, then they can specialize and they understand they might have to throw some money at that, but they know exactly how to pick a practitioner that's not in it to just take their money, right? That they really are going to be learning something and kind of moving forward. And I really put the onus on the student, it is their accountability to learn this, right? It's I can give you all the information that you need, but you have to put it into play. I can't practice for you, right? I can't, I can't do that. So it's really is just giving them that nice, you know, how do you pick a practitioner? How do you start learning, you know, clearing yourself? How do you start doing those things? What do you call it? What is this, you know, what does it feel like? But in a terms of what does it actually feel like, not just like somebody telling you, oh, just push the energy. You're like, what the fuck does that mean?

Frank:

Right?

Sara:

Like you're you're trying to, you can't just do that. And so it's giving them like good practical knowledge and kind of hand holding them until they're really good to go, no, I got this, I can move. And then you're reminding them, you know, when they get further along, hey, don't forget about your foundations, right? Don't forget, don't get into bad habits, right? You know, as they kind of grow and move into their specialization.

Frank:

Without giving away any any trade secrets, what what are the are there like basic foundations that everyone jumps into right away?

Sara:

I don't I there's no trade secrets, right? This is all the tests. You're good. Non-gatekeeper. No such thing. Trade secrets are only the things that I share that I I truly know that there's no other knowledge in it anywhere. That's my stuff, right? So you don't get those unless you're more advanced than me. So um, but a lot of the foundations, right? People who don't understand is that a lot of this work starts with self, right? Starts with us. And understanding that, um, and I don't know how many times people are going to record me saying this, but when somebody walks up to you and says, I am an empath, you can respond by saying, Me too. And that guy and the guy over there, and my dog, and like all that you know, right? Because anybody who has fight or flight is empathic. Yay! Yeah, right. We're all we're all in this together, right? So, okay, let's buddy up.

Frank:

Yeah.

Sara:

The only difference is that in empath and the multiple empathy types that we have, when we have trauma or emotional things, or we get scared because we saw something when we're little or old or whatever, we hyperdevelop certain ones and we don't use the other ones, right? We kind of shut ourselves off in certain areas, which is why some people can see spirits like walking through the room. Um, some people just see them in their mind's eye, or some people can hear things and smell things, or and some people can't, right? Like there's so there's these nuances that happen uh because our empathy types are out of balance, and these directly correlate with all of the clairs. So when somebody tells me I'm clairvoyant, I'm clear, you know, sentient, I'm clear, blah, blah, blah, to me, those are just senses, right? That's kind of stupid for you to say I'm clairvoyant because you're just telling me I can see.

Lauren:

Yeah, me too.

Sara:

Right? Like, yeah, me too. And it's really understanding that those are the senses that you use in the metaphysical space to receive information. And if you're if you're too focused on one set, well, you're going to be hyper-focused on one clair and not get the full picture of something that's coming in, which causes fear. I see shadows, I see gray things, I see squiggly lines, I only feel stuff that makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand up. This is because you're only using certain clairs in certain orders. I I take on the emotions of other people. And then if you're not aware of it, you can't protect yourself from doing that. You have to be aware.

Frank:

That makes sense because sorry, when you have your elbows on the table, you're very shadow.

Sara:

I know, I know. I always do this.

Frank:

We really wanted you here today for just couples therapy. I don't know, I don't know what you're talking about, but can can you help us? When Lauren puts her elbows up.

Sara:

It's a thing. Yeah, it's called reconnect, connecting connecting with people.

Frank:

I'm gonna write that down for later.

Sara:

I'll give you more, I'll give you some more couples therapy energy work so you guys can do together and strengthen up your marriage. Quit elbowing your wife. Quit elbowing, yeah. Start with stop elbowing each other.

Frank:

I'm out. So so far, like from the people that we've spoken to, uh still a big part of our podcast is we're trying to normalize this stuff. We've got a family member, she's six, she's getting into it. She doesn't necessarily want to, but she's got it and she can't turn it off.

Sara:

I love it. You can't turn it off.

Frank:

Yeah, so like we are trying to develop the um abilities to at least, if even if we can't uh see what she sees, just to be able to give her the tool set to emotionally get through maybe the hard parts, seeing stuff when you're not used to seeing stuff. Uh apparently she sees um spirits, like what they look like when they're dead. So she's horrified of that initially. We're like, again, from all the everything I learned from you, it's like they're just people, give them boundaries, talk to them.

Sara:

She can also demand that they don't do that.

Frank:

And and that's the thing.

Sara:

She can set a boundary and say, You do not, I don't want to see you like that. I need to see you like when you were happy. Right? She can demand that. Yeah. And she, you know, just empower her to understand that she has the power to tell them to go away or not right now.

Lauren:

Yeah.

Sara:

And uh, you know, stranger danger is a real thing with children in any setting. Right. In in the metaphysical or in the regular physical world. So it's one of those, and don't you go anywhere with this period ever.

Frank:

Oh.

Sara:

You come get that's a new one. Right? You can oh yeah.

Frank:

Um suddenly scared. Uh yeah.

Sara:

Yeah, don't you go anywhere, no, nowhere with them in dreams or when you're awake. You stay where you are and you call for me. Oh yeah, I haven't heard that.

Frank:

I wrote that down. Yeah. The although the to your point that you're saying earlier, the more mediums and and and psychics we've we've spoken to, uh, they are all very hesitant to label it, like you're saying. Obviously, when you're talking to someone else, labeling it is kind of helpful. Oh, yeah, like I'm clairvoyant, I can see spirits and all that stuff. But it all seems like those are all just one part of the whole.

Sara:

Yes.

Frank:

And you're you're suggesting that if you're not uh privy to uh the other skills, that it's maybe a certain amount of fear towards something.

Sara:

Not necessarily fear. It is because you've survived on specific ones more, right? So to give you, and like I'll give you the example I give my students all the time, right? My favorite example. In you have eight empathy types that go together, right? So you have your plant and animal, right? You have your geomantic, your psychometric, you have your telepathic, your precognitive, right? And you have your emotional and your physical. If you think about us humans without the concrete, right? When we were hunting for our food, not at in like a grocery store, but like really hunting, right? Like we're hunting shoot out. And we didn't have cars and we didn't have automatic rifles and we didn't have any of that stuff. We were like, we had to like do the thing. We relied on everything to give us information. The earth would vibrate if you could feel something coming in a certain direction. You understood that some you know there was a knowing for you to be able to reach out to somebody from miles and miles and miles away to tell them I'm okay, right? Or uh they're still alive. Cool, I can feel them. Right? You relied on the animals, the reactions, the way that they looked at you to really understand what was happening. You relied on plants, you relied on understanding the world or the environment around you to survive. You had to live. Okay. So now we're here. Concrete buildings, all that good stuff. When you're younger, let's just say you had a tormentor, right? Somebody that lived in your home that would torment you all the time, right? Like, oh, whatever, whatever they tormented you with. You needed to know when that tormentor was triggered, when what emotion they were in, what physical body trait they wore, because that would tell you if you were safe or not safe. If you had to hide or leave, or whatever it is, you had to understand this, and you had to have it understand it in so much of a fashion that you developed a system that if that tormentor was in a car two blocks away and turned the corner, you immediately knew they were coming. And you would just wait. Could you reach out and feel what emotion they were in as they were approaching? And then when you really understood what the emotion was, and they drove up the driveway, you would peek out the window because physically you could see their aura and understand exactly how it would validate what you were already feeling. You were experiencing this, and you didn't have somebody telling you what was going on, you just knew so. You relied on those senses, the understanding to feel the emotion at a distance, to feel the energy coming from somewhere else, to understand what your response had to be when you felt this energy coming to you.

Lauren:

Right.

Sara:

Wow, this is so yeah, and yeah, so the empathy types when we kick them up, those correlate to Claire's, right? Your emotional physical will correlate to a specific uh either the buoyant, you can see the flash in your head, and then you just or you just note the information like I know something's bad, I need to go. But we've been trained to not pay attention to that. Our society is actually designed in the opposition, yeah, right? So we're designed, oh, you're just crazy. Ah, it was just a trick of the light, ah, you watch too much TV. We begin to dismiss things as we kind of get older and we stop trusting uh our intuition. But my favorite phrase is always something told me I felt like I shouldn't have. Yeah, my favorite phrase is.

Frank:

Yeah, I mean the older I get, the more or or I've been more aware of my division personally, of how I get very like logical heady versus what I'm feeling, and the two combat each other and I end up kind of like a nostalemate.

Sara:

I'm like, damn it. Well, the idea is to do both, yeah. Right? You don't want to do one or the other. You want a nice little balance blend of two. You want to know when it's time to use your logic and when it's time to use your intuition, or maybe you have to do a combination of the two. Right.

Lauren:

The thing you were saying about like in some cases, like trauma, your trauma, you can block certain feelings or whatever. Um that makes so much sense. I was just like hearing you talk about the the tormentor thing, and like that example is so interesting. I was just thinking about like any trauma I might have had as like a kid and how because I have strong like feeling empathy, or like you know, I say I'm an empath because I feel other people's emotions, but I would I'm like, oh, did I block other things out as a kid?

Sara:

You could have remembered other other things happen too. Like, let's say, you know, you're thinking, I didn't have trauma when I was a kid, I don't have anything. Why am I why am I doing that? Well, the trauma can come not from a tormentor, but it could also come from a form of pressure. Yeah, right. Be a good girl, make sure you're always of service. There's always something that you have to do, and therefore you've required your body to be consistently in give mode.

Frank:

Yeah.

Sara:

And in order for you to give, you have to know when somebody needs something. And so you still kick that, kick that up. Well, they're not feeling good. I need to go do something. Oh, they physically physically something, I know something's wrong with them. I don't know what it is, but let me figure out how to help them. You still created a hyper awareness in a specific space versus uh balanced in everything.

Lauren:

Yeah.

Frank:

Wait, have you picked are you are you tapping anything right now or have you have you met Lauren before?

Sara:

I will not pant them golden anything.

Frank:

Yeah.

Lauren:

Because that's so interesting. Because, you know, as we're trying to like develop and pay attention to our own intuition and whatever abilities we might have had as kids that we maybe pushed away or ignored, things keep coming up where we're like, I keep going, oh, I need to heal.

Sara:

Right? Don't focus on what you used to be able to do as a kid. You need to focus on what you can do now as an adult because the awareness is different, right? As kids, we pretty much accepted everything we saw. Yeah, we were always walking around in a state of amazement. But it's because we just came from you know a world that was different and we're seeing this for the first time with a good pair of eyes, or that's like, wow, everything is amazing. Then over time we get a little jaded. Right? It happens. We get a little jaded. Yeah, and so we want to be in the awareness of who we are now and how we're experiencing things today, right? So being in your intuition just means being aware at all times, being aware of you, your mood, how your body feels, what your where your thoughts are, so that when something invades, you know that it's not you. You immediately pick it up and go, oh wait, that's not me. And then you be aware of what's around you. Is it my coworker? Is it my my the driver in front of me? What where is where is this coming from? Because it's not mine. And if you just don't care where it's coming from, then just give it back to whoever be like, give that shit back to that, right? Or if you want to be kind, right, throw it into the earth and just let it be flowers in Australia for a Lou. Because I I say that to all my students. I have a student named Lou that's in uh Australia, so we send her flowers all the time. So, right, so just go shoot it into the ground for them, give it away, whatever, but don't take it on to yourself, right? You want to move from a sense of empathy taking everything on to a frame of sympathy. You're aware the feeling is there, you're understanding their pain, but you're not gonna bring it on to yourself.

Lauren:

I've started saying these are not my emotions, which has like helped. Our daughter is empathic too, and we've started telling her that just because she takes on stuff from school and we're like, those aren't yours. It's okay. But that's a big lesson.

Sara:

Give them back, put them into the earth. Yeah, give them back.

Frank:

How about that?

Lauren:

How about that?

Sara:

I love the little knowing looks you guys are giving each other because it kind of sounds like the husband's going, you see? And the wife is going, Yeah, yeah, yeah, shut up.

Frank:

It's also me just diverting from anybody doing that to me. So I'm I'm striking first. I'm very cobra guy right now.

Lauren:

I feel like I love it. I feel like um in this journey, I've felt this pull to like heal my like, I guess, I don't know, inner child or my the young form of myself. Because I'm like, if I want to develop more, I feel like I need to heal even more. So I like started learning Reiki and stuff, which can be like a really healing process. Is that something that is part of your teaching?

Frank:

No.

Sara:

I encourage you to go in and heal yourself, and where you feel that is, that's that's that's where you go, right? So I I make people look at it in in two directions. First, I want you to outline fear. What are your fears? Right, write everything down, right? Write everything down. So list your fears, right? List them. This is my fear, this is my fear, this is my fear, and then walk away from it for a little bit. And then I want you to come back and look at your list, and I want you to tell me is the fear real using this thermometer? Have you experienced it or have you seen somebody experience it directly with your eyes? If you haven't, it's not a real fear, cross it off your list. It's not a thing. Then when you're looking at, well, I mean, this one I haven't experienced, but it really, really scares me. I still want it there. Fine. I want you to list what your habit response is to that fear. What's the habit? Well, when I I know even just thinking of this, my response is already this, right? Whether your body responds or your brain responds, or you know, you're already showing your response. There's something that you're doing.

Lauren:

Yeah.

Sara:

Then I want you to walk away. Come back a little bit later, and then I want you to look at just one fear, and I want you to tell me which one you want to work on. And then right next to it, I want you to respond what your response should be. And you do one at a time until you've addressed all of them. The idea is that we cannot change all at once, and we can only change what we want to change. We can't change something by force, it's not gonna happen. Then you're going to understand that the fear it never goes away. I am fucking petrified when Stephen would be like, Hey, can you go fucking this weird ass though? I'd be like, What the fuck is wrong with you? Especially because I didn't know where I was going, right? They gave me some the addresses and then meet me, like I felt like I was doing like drug deals and like little things.

Frank:

It was just weird. Yeah.

Sara:

Um, follow me, right? Like, get in the car, follow me. Yeah. Um, it was just weird. And then, you know, I can feel myself coming up into the space, and so I knew when I needed to have fear, or him just simply telling me, hey, we've got a case, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I know it scared him. And I could feel the energy from that and go, Oh, this is gonna be fucking horrific.

Frank:

Like, what the hell can I?

Sara:

Oh, god. The idea though is to understand how to respond to it. You've got to first understand, should I be afraid? Is and if I should be, what should my actual response be? Right? Like not just screaming and you know, jumping on a counter like I do when I see a cockroach, but you know, uh, you know, having a more um logical response to it, right? So this is where your logic and your intuition kind of come into play because you logically have to wait until you really have to respond, not react, right? You're responding, not reacting. And so you train yourself in the response so that way when the fear does come up again, you apply what you've trained.

Frank:

Would you say it's almost like accepting your like vulnerabilities and then like you? Just just training for them instead of trying to be stronger than them.

Sara:

Yeah, essentially that's what you're doing.

Frank:

All right, let's let's hang up. That's how I figured it out.

Sara:

So here's here's that one, right? And and and confidence is the other, right? The confidence when you're saying uh, you know, using that same term, you're using the confidence. The confidence is the key to being protected, that and belief systems, right? So when you're looking at confidence, you're looking at the thing that you tell yourself that you're a bad person for, that you don't want anybody else to know about, right? You're like, ooh, if they knew that I was like that, right? That's my closet secret. And you beat yourself up about it, right? You tell yourself, man, you're such a horrible person because you do this, or you're such a terrible person because you like this, or you're just a blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah, right? You start beating the crap out of yourself and your brain.

Frank:

Yeah.

Sara:

The idea is to identify that that that same skeleton, right? You identify, do the same thing, we'll list that sucker out, right? List it out. Then I want you to realistically look at it and the things that you can't control, like for example, right? Frank might like the smell of sneaky toes, right? What? She's good. Read your mind. I told you, I'll read your mind. I look at it. You can't change that. That's just a scent that you find pleasing. You can't change that about you, right? There's nothing you can do about that. Are you gonna walk around telling everybody that you know you like the smell? Maybe not, right? Like maybe that does sticky toe smells. You're not gonna be like, I love it, wear the t-shirt, right? Announce it on your social medias. No, no, no. You're probably not gonna do that. But it is not something that you can change because you just find it pleasant. That's just normal wiring, that's just you, right? But if there's something that you actually have an option to do, like, you know, I'm a little bit of a dick at the grocery store all the time, right? And you don't like that about yourself, and then you beat up on yourself because you're like, I'm a good, you know, belief system person, except when I'm at the grocery store and I'm the you know, guy cuts me off this grocery cart, I don't know, whatever it is. So that is something that you might go, okay, well, I really could change that. I do have the option of not doing that. Let me work on that habit. The reason why we work on the confidence and the fear is because if you are going to have an entity that is a little bit of a dick, right? A little bit of a negative, they're gonna attack those things first. To get in your body, to get in your brain, to get in your mind, they're gonna mask themselves as you because you can't tell the difference between them and you. And they're gonna tell you, they're gonna tell you the same things that you do. They're gonna go, oh, they beat the shit out of themselves in their brain. I can do better than that, and they're gonna start hummeling you down that trail. And you're gonna be so dumb, you're gonna fall for it because you don't know the difference between your phrasing and the phrasing of something else, and you're just gonna fall right in.

Lauren:

This would be like a me, like like a spirit with like a bad intention, or just like someone who's kind of rude and like knows how to.

Sara:

It could be it could be a spirit that just understands that energy, right? You might be, let's say you had a sudden loss in as a in family, and you're starting to beat yourself up about I shoulda, coulda, woulda done these things, and I'm a terrible human and I'm grieving and I'm sad and I'm hurting and I'm in pain. And this entity is floating by going, hey, I recognize that shit. I'm gonna go tag them up. And every time you say, I'm grieving, I'm such a terrible person, I should have. They're gonna be like, Yeah, you should have, you should have done more. You could have done this. You're gonna, oh, that's true. I could have done that, right? Your mind is now completely ensnared, and then he's like, This is off, man. Frank is the best. Hey, you hey, dude, come over here. This guy, this guy perfect for us. And then they invite somebody else to jump in.

Frank:

Wait, what's in it for them here?

Sara:

The feeling, uh emotion. These are entities that want to stay in that vibration, they want that. That's what they want. They want you to give them back the vibration of feeling that way. They're justified how they can stay here through you.

Lauren:

I need to meditate more. Sure, raise our vibrations more.

Frank:

So is I mean, is that like what are your what are your antidotes to that aside from listing things out and like getting your your logical mind on top of like your own antidote is to understand your awareness, know yourself, yeah.

Sara:

Know yourself, and for God's sakes, get a belief system, right? It doesn't have to be mine, it has to be yours, and you have to believe it, and you have to understand why, right? Very, very simply looking at my desk. Okay, here's this like here we go. I can tell you this is a holy tape measure. This is the holiest tape measure. You can draw, oh draw it open, lay it on the ground, and nothing can cross this tape measure because it is protected.

Frank:

Got it. So it's it's you're like buying into that system that is what is gonna make it work.

Sara:

That's exactly what it's gonna do. Do you what here's the fun part if you help someone else, if you help somebody else, you know, you're helping your wife and she's having issues with her belief system, but she's got a partial system. You have to understand what her partial system is because you need her to buy in also.

Frank:

I think you and I are pretty aligned with that stuff.

Sara:

Yeah.

Frank:

But I would I would probably describe it as partial. I'm a uh post-Catholic, so I've done a lot of dismantling and not a lot of remantling in any kind of way. There are, I have gaps where personally I could use a little bit of help getting through some of that stuff. Maybe that's is that what we're doing? Is that why we're doing this?

Sara:

Congratulations, yes. You won the million dollar person.

Frank:

Thanks, Sarah. I need a better belief.

Sara:

You are dismantling, you're dismantling the thing that doesn't fit, right? Which makes sense. You know, Catholicism didn't fit for me either. Yeah, so many stories about that, but we're not gonna get into that one.

Frank:

Trust me, trust me. That's a whole other podcast. I'd love to do it one day.

Sara:

That is a whole else podcast series. So we have to understand where we lie in the things that make sense to us, right individually, right? A belief is a belief. You've you you want to believe certain things, but you have to understand why you're believing them, right? You have to be able to almost explain it to someone else when they ask you, hey, what is your belief system like? And explain it in such a way where you don't care if they understand it.

Lauren:

Right? Right.

Sara:

You just don't care. Yeah. Like, oh yeah, well, that's just you know, it's just what works for me. That might not work for you, and that's and that's perfectly fine. But in in practice, as practitioners like me, where I help other people, I need to understand what they believe because they are designing that for themselves. And I need to understand it so that when I'm trying to help them, let's say maybe I'm I'm trying to help them do a healing, or I'm trying to help them maybe what they believe is an attachment, need to move that attachment away. I need them to understand how much power they have in that belief and combine it with mine to make it happen.

Lauren:

Do you do you just like walk around and you can like tell, like, especially with kids? Is there like, oh, that kid is a sensitive, or that's what I'm saying?

Sara:

Yeah, it can't be kids can't hide because they are so close to the light. You can't. But I can tell you when a kid is being abused because the light will dim. Like that is an immediate thing that I can tell. Whoa. And uh, so it's it's one of those things where you're like, hmm, what's happening over there at that space? You can you can immediately tell when that something is wrong because the light will dim. Like it won't be as bright, they won't trust um that connection because of what's happening to them.

Lauren:

Oh man, you've you've like I don't know, that that's a lot to like see or like uh experience for you. Just like I don't know.

Sara:

Uh to me, it's just it's just it's normal. Right. I was little. So it's not like uh it's not an unusual thing for me. It's just kind of go, oh, I can just tell. And you know, maybe I'll send a guide or send us something, but it because I can't be walking up to people I don't know and be like, hey, why are you around with this guy? So instead I just like send my dudes my like go help that one a little bit or you know, move for them, connect them or reconnect them so that they can keep safe.

Frank:

Yeah. So I was gonna ask you, but it seems like maybe you're so accustomed to this stuff for for people who have the level of ability that you do. Like, how do you, when you see something that can be somewhat disturbing, how do you maintain like a healthy mental outlook on stuff? What do you do to stay sane?

Sara:

Everything in in that in our environment is mentally disturbing. So it's not like there is no rhyme or reason for it. You know, there's a lot of things that happen that we can't, we as you know, people that are intuitive cannot really get involved in some things because it is something that the person has to either learn or experience, and it's part of the growth of what they're doing, not just the the person who's being victimized, but also the person who's victimizing, right? There's also something that's kind of going on in that in that era. So there's there's things that don't do come to us directly that we can assist with, right? And we're kind of bound to do so. We're kind of like, oh, this has showed up, I'm just gonna have to really handle it. And there are some things that we we don't, right? That we don't, that we just kind of go, fuck, that sucks. That's just that they gotta learn. Oh yeah, that's kind of can't interfere with it. Yeah, we can only interfere with what's brought to us that we're supposed to be interfering with.

Lauren:

Yeah. Are you I always ask people this because I think it's so it's it's interesting to me. Uh, like, are you constantly bombarded or do you have an off switch?

Sara:

There's no off, and there's a partition. I know there's a hey, stand over there and don't bother me until two. Okay, okay. Like, yeah.

Lauren:

Like walking through a crowded space. I have to be well prepared for it, yes.

Sara:

Very well prepared for it. So I've I found myself as a as an older person, right? Getting a little older. Um, I typically don't do big crowded things. Yeah.

Frank:

I was gonna ask you, what what is your most challenging environment?

Sara:

Uh like concerts or things that you know, you know, we're in Austin, so like that people come out in droves in, yeah, right. That have like big open spaces, and even then um it's still hard, right? So it's just depending on where we are and how badly I want to be. That's really uh kind of thing. So it just it just depends on the setting. But I'm I try to avoid really bad crowded places as much as humanly possible, right? COVID was a nice little blessing for me. Yeah. Because after there's all this, just deliver it to your house. Fantastic. I have to fight all those people at the Target or the Walmart, the physical people and the all the spirits that you're just kind of nice. It's kind of nice.

Frank:

Yeah, what is more overwhelming though? Is it is it the is it what's going on with uh the living or the the number of spirits that are just around all the time?

Sara:

It's more what's going on with the living. Yeah, spirits are more um the rules are more defined, I guess, if that's what it is. So when we build a boundary with a spirit, the boundary is built. They respect it. Uh if we mean it, right? We have to mean the boundary. If if we don't, you know, it's gonna walk all over us. But if uh we build a boundary with a human, even if we mean it, the human's still gonna push it, right? That's that's yeah, we're we're designed to do that. If not, we wouldn't be innovative, right? We're creative or any of that stuff. We're designed to be kind of like, is it a really rule? I don't know, right? That's what we're designed to do. So humans, for me, uh one-on-one or in couples, love it. But crowds of humans, that's something I don't do well, nor do I have a good response for. Yeah. So um, you know, I'll always tell somebody, I'm a little bit of an asshole, right? I'm not a nice person all the time. So just you gotta find me at the right time.

Frank:

Man, no, I like that's gonna be my excuse from now on. I needed a good one and this is it.

Sara:

Take it, take it.

Frank:

So you said you have a good like support group, um, your husband being one of them. What can people around you do to be more supportive of your what you're maybe experiencing that they're not? What comprises a good support group?

Sara:

I think um it depends on the situation. Yeah, I need to have you know, people who really, really know me that are around me understand that I'm not on all the time. It's not a thing for me to like want to willingly like be a chipper and happy, right? I really like to just be very calm and quiet. Like that's just kind of like it is. And a lot of people are like always surprised when they like they come to the house and it's like, wow, it's really quiet in here. I'm like, yeah, I don't like all noise. It's like I'm just very quite one of those just super chill. Yeah, but I have my moments, right? I have my moments where I want to go do stuff and see people and be around people, but they have to be specific kind of like it has to be something that I chose to want to get into.

Lauren:

Are there people or friends or family that seek like a sudden reading or anything? Do you feel like whoa, whoa, I'm not doing I don't feel like that right now, or or does everyone respect that?

Sara:

Pretty much my family on all sides, like I want to say on all sides, because I have a very complex um family history. Um, so my family on all sides are all intuitive in some form or fashion. Oh so we really we don't do that unless like we seek advice in certain things, and but we don't necessarily tell the other person I'm getting it from a spirit, right? I'm talking to your guides. Yeah, we just don't do that. We just kind of know and and and talk to each other about stuff like that. So it's it's very rare. But I've had a few cousins or you know, some certain friends that are like just you know, I practice on them, right? I was practicing on them when I was learning, or sometimes I'm just like, hey, do you want one? Why not? Let's fly, sure, why not? Right? Like they just let me do stuff. So they're they've been pretty good about about that. But most of most of my family members have a form of intuition that we, you know, we just know that it's there and we don't necessarily seek it out.

Lauren:

Wow. Okay, so when you were a kid, it was just like, oh yeah, like just join the club, Sarah.

Sara:

It was very nor very normal. Yeah, too. You know, even though their belief systems, again, was towards the Catholicism and all that, because I grew up in a Hispanic household. We also believe in the cucui and the gunanderas and the you know, like the Soladorras, all that stuff. But you know, we believed in all of that, so it was just normal.

Lauren:

I feel like you're concocting it.

Frank:

I'm just making sure I got it.

Lauren:

Frank always has like his little tiny notebook.

Sara:

I've got the same thing. All of my post-it notebooks.

Frank:

Oh I like we we pulled tarot on occasion, and I have like a couple of cards up here just as reminders. And just so I don't forget what I pulled them in reference to, I have little post-its. It's the perfect combination of like I used to work in cubicles, but also I like tarot. It's it's it's kind of embarrassing.

Sara:

I love it. Oh, that's awesome. You have to do like a picture of it, like a little meme up or something that's done. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That is really funny.

Frank:

What's the best way to contact your spirit guides? Because that's something that I've been trying to do, and I just can't. I'm not doing a good job yet. I know there's a lot of work I can do with some of the more basic stuff, but um There's not a best.

Sara:

That's there's, you know, there's a way you gotta figure it out for you. But tell me what you've been trying. That's gonna be probably the starting point. What have you been doing?

Frank:

Uh we've I'm trying to well, I haven't been doing very good lately, but uh for a while I was just trying to just speak out loud to them on a daily basis, as if they're just there and and give them full permission to intervene and uh contact me in any way I can I can be contacted or or perceive them.

Lauren:

Um like we we've said like, oh, you can show me a sign that you're around.

Frank:

Yeah.

Lauren:

And we each had like a little like thing. Like I had like a as soon as I said that, I had a grasshopper jump on my windshield, like as I was driving, and that's never happened before. And I was like, Okay, I hear you, you're here. But and then you had like a butterfly, like go back to the side.

Frank:

I had some something similar, but like a butterfly kind of cut me off from even finishing the sentence, which was interesting. But you know, I'd love them, I'd love a deeper dialogue at some point or something that's a little more tangible.

Sara:

I I think you your approach is the problem, right?

Frank:

I think you're probably right.

Sara:

It's it's uh it's a lot of dance, monkey dance, yeah, versus I know you're there, let's have a conversation.

Frank:

Okay.

Sara:

Making time for the conversation, right? So, you know, there's a uh there's a meditation I tell my students to do. It's called Bathing in Light. It's one of the foundational meditations that we teach. And this is kind of a foundational meditation that's pretty much taught everywhere, right? So I just gave it a gave it a name, but it's other people know it by different names. So the idea is to connect with source, whatever your the source of yourself is, right? So in in my instance, I will sit and okay, it's a little morbid on me, right? Like the the poltergeist lampshade, you know, from the sign, you know, the little lampshade is in the street. Okay, so I like I like being under that. So I'll put myself under that lampshade and then just kind of sit there in that nice little amber low glow, and then I will begin to heat the light, make it brighter, see it in my mind's eye as literally my source, just light coming over my body. It'll go over my body, underneath my feet, and I'm encapsulated in that cone of light with just me in my source. I give it a color, I give it a scent. I understand when it starts to move over my body and all the shadows from everywhere, inside my nose, inside my ears, everything gets pummeled in light. And then I just surround myself in there. In that space, it's just me and source. Nothing else can get in there unless I ask it to. After doing this for a few weeks, right? I will now move over and ask my guide to join me. Join me in this light. Together, we're gonna sit. And I want you to just sit with the guide, have him enjoy the light with you so that you understand what the energy signature of them is, so that you know when they show up, it will show up in the same energy signature every time. You'll know it's them, you'll feel it's them, and then eventually you'll start getting images in your mind's eye, you'll start knowing when they kind of sit and and are there. They'll maybe show you the butterfly that they showed you before just so that you know that it's them. The idea is to begin to get used to knowing when they're there, and then you begin to ask questions. How do we know each other? And sometimes the the image in the gray space just outside that light will begin to kind of form like a movie that's going by. Right? So just watch the movie, and the movie might be significant, but don't narrate the movie, don't be like, Oh, I see a house, oh, I see a thing. Don't narrate. Let the things kind of go by because the question was, how do I know you? How do we know each other? What did you used to do? You're beginning to form a relationship, right? How are you and source connected? How did this happen? Allow the things to kind of just move, but you have to allow them to respond. And sometimes they'll respond immediately, and sometimes it takes a few days to respond, and it'll be in your dreams, it'll be in like a repetitive thing that kind of happens for a few days, right? We're like, What's your name? And you keep hearing the word like Frankenstein, and that maybe their name was Frankenstein, right? Like, or whatever it is.

Frank:

I hope so.

Sara:

Or Einstein. I mean, like whatever, right? So it's really just allowing, but you have to allow and stop getting into the dance mucky dance and prove that you're there because you're beyond that.

Frank:

Yeah.

Sara:

You're already beyond proving now. It's let's build the relationship. Let's really talk to the guide. Let's begin to trust it. Speaking out loud is beautiful. I do do it to my guides all the time. People walk up to me and look at me like, What the fuck is this lady doing? Talking about the stuff where she got today, I don't right. I'm in the air, I do it a lot. So that you're able to just kind of do that. But you've got to give give time for that guy to respond because remember, you're not as responsive either. If they've been trying to talk to you and you just ignore it, they've got to try to figure out how to get you the information.

Frank:

Yeah, I mean that's part of it too. I I get a lot of guilt from like trying doing doing the dance monkey dance thing, and then I'm like, okay, it's not working right now. I gotta go do something else and stop listening. And I I feel really bad about that. I'm trying to find out. I love this, maybe not the context, but of the poltergeist light. But I do like I love that that idea of being that's just the way I see it. Oh, I know, and it's I know exactly what you're talking about.

Sara:

Yeah, some people light candles and they bring the light of the candle over their body. Some people just immediately understand it as a shield. Some people, you know, so it just depends on how you kind of understand how to sit in that protected space and just circle the energy back and forth and then making room and allowing that guy to be with you. Set an intention in your hobbies, right? It's a form of meditation, the hobby that you're in or the weird stuff that you like to do where you're like immersed in it, yeah, puts you in a meditative state. So set an intention in it and be like, hey, I'm gonna, I'm about to sit down and I don't know, glue crafts together. Why don't you come and and join me and then just kind of immerse yourself in that and and kind of make note of the things that might pop, the thoughts that might pop up in your head, right? And after you're done, write them, write them down and then look at them later, right? Sometimes those things will happen, but you have to allow for it to happen, which is difficult when you have you know small children. Yeah it is it is.

Frank:

Um but like that's the I guess that's the shower thoughts thing though. Yeah, both of us we get like I was in the shower and I just had this idea just popped in my head. Like almost guaranteed that's like just being in the zone.

Lauren:

Yeah, and having the shower is the only time you guys have to relax and you're alone.

Sara:

Yeah, really though.

Lauren:

I literally have to like wake up before the kids to uh give myself the time to try meditating. I say try, I'm still working on like quieting, I'm still working on the practice of meditating.

Sara:

No, no, the moment you said the word quiet, I'm gonna tell you that is not not how it works, right? Meditation happens only to clear your mind and allow yourself to receive. That's what meditation does, right? You can you can clear your mind while you're actively doing something, it doesn't have to be quiet. Okay, and you're zoned out when you're watching TV, you're not really watching the show, your mind's just kind of somewhere else, yes, right? So it's not quiet, the things are kind of moving, or people who like to listen to music and it gets them into a particular zone, they're in meditation, it's just applying an intention to it. Hey, why don't you sit here and join me while I'm while I'm you know listening to music or dancing or getting in stuff, right? It doesn't have to be sitting cross-legged, floating in the air in the quiet for hours at a time. Like that's just bullshit. We work.

Lauren:

Okay, thank you for that.

Frank:

I think that's a missing piece of this puzzle for us. Yeah, for you, definitely.

Lauren:

It is because I always feel like I have to. There are times when like I go take a walk and I don't have music on, or just am like, let me just like look around and it's almost like a walking meditation. So maybe even doing that, I can imagine a a light flow flow state, man.

Frank:

I think that's it. Yeah, whatever gets you in that zone.

Sara:

Bring the light right over you, right over you, and then just walk. Yeah. Okay. And then just start walking.

Frank:

I like that.

Lauren:

That's great. Okay. That helps so much. Yeah.

Frank:

What what do you think from your perspective and what we've described to you and what we're about, what do you think our next steps should be to developing our skills or getting to a place where we can um help our family member uh be more comfortable with her abilities.

Sara:

I think it's it's it's time to understand the steps, especially the things like meditation, right? There's so many ways for them to kind of channel what's happening to them to kind of quiet out and shake out the the noise, right? So they're gonna need something like um a way to get rid of the energy when they collect it because they're so young. They're gonna absorb everything that's kind of coming in, right? It's just kind of like a a curse and a blessing of being young, right? You start absorbing everything comes in. So it's understanding how to get them to shake out that stuff that doesn't belong to them and and have a developed way of almost teaching them how to do that as a way to lean on that response to identify when things you're you're good and doing good because you're saying identify things that that uh aren't yours, right? Your energy that isn't yours. Once you have once you identify it's not yours, then now you have to push it away. Right? You have to return it to the person or you have to put it into the ground and you have to take it out of your body. Right. And then giving them things when they transition into stuff, giving them a way to just br breathe in that source. Like they still have to begin to start understanding what that source is for them. What is it? Right? Understanding what that is so they can understand how to bring in that light, move them into nature, right? Move them into that space and uh developing systems of release of emotion all the time. Right? Therapy's great at bringing shit up, but they're not good at taking telling you how to let that shit go, right? So understanding how to develop that system of release. How do we let it go? What works for you, what doesn't work for you, and believing them, believing them, believing them. There is nothing more important than believing them and believing them in a healthy way of even saying can you describe what you experienced in? Can you draw it out? Did it say something? Was it a color? Trying to get them to see as much detail of what's going on and then empowering them to understand that they are in control. Here's the boundary. I'm not following you. Call in mom, to call in dad when they feel in danger when they're sleeping. Right. I taught that to my son at an early age because he had a lot of night terrors. And I would tell him, just call me. I will come into your dream and I'll take care of that shit. And he did it often to where we would wake up and he would tell me about his dream, and I knew we had the same dream. Oh I knew we were we were both together, and he still does it now as an adult. Sometimes we're in the same dreamscape together. So um it's it's teaching how to do that, how to calm that energy in the space, right? My daughter blocks everything out, she completely calms the energy of the space. She took it, you know, above and beyond. Let's just turn it down, right? Probably the best thing I ever had is snuggled up next to her, it's all quiet. Right. But now my grandson's doing the same thing, right? My grandson is now exhibiting a lot of this light and seeing a lot of things, and I'm like, just believe him. Believe him, tell him to draw it out, tell him if there's, you know, something that's going on. And she's like, you know, sometimes he sounds like he's making up stories. I said, It could be memories, it could be things that are coming in from something else. Don't completely dismiss it, but tell them this is not something that's in our reality here, right? That's not something that's here in the house, or that's not something that's going on now. Why is that important? So kind of re understanding the difference between what we think it's imagination, right? We could be their imagination, you know, they could be just really good at telling stories, or they could be remembering something or picking something up from someone else.

Lauren:

Right.

Sara:

Right. Yeah. Just kind of working through it and going, okay, is that part of our reality? Is that something that is is here, you know, part of our everyday day? Is that really something that's tied to you? Does it belong to you? Asking those questions is important. Yeah. Right? Making sure that they don't walk around thinking that they're crazy, but understanding that this is just normal.

Frank:

That's awesome. Sarah, thank you so much. Um, give all your plugs. So, like I know you have your own podcast as well, and and tell us about Metaphysical Uh.

Sara:

We just launched our podcast in October. My partner A.J. Sanchez and I uh narrate through a lot of weird things with uh some of the practitioners from Metaphysical U, uh Didi Hawk and Jax Wolf, are just a great segment from it. Um we're trying to make the paranormal normal, right? So if you have some time, you know, listen to MP Unleashed. Uh we're on all the things, right? The Spotifies, the podcast things, we're on all the things. Um, and uh hear what it's like to be part of this world from the perspective of a medium and a psychic and an energy worker, right? We go and look at these places, not from proving that something is there just to find out what it is. What is it? What is it really?

Frank:

Yeah.

Sara:

And how does that impact something else? And maybe, you know, do a little bit of myth busting of what's what's going on out there.

Lauren:

Oh, cool. That's fantastic.

Sara:

And definitely, if you want training, if you're wanting to start, we have another round of our foundations. One class is starting in March, and that's really the the at the core of who we are at Metaphysical U. Those are the classes that you want to take. And if you're somebody who's like, I don't want to come in to like doing something like that, but I do have a lot of questions and a lot of things. Join our Wednesday night development groups. We have an open to the public development group every Wednesday at 8 p.m. Central Standard Time. The link is on our website. You just click and join us. It's just open, right? It's just there. And we do challenges or we have really great discussions. We have practitioners from all over the world. Like I literally say all over the world, right?

Frank:

Wow.

Sara:

Um, will join us, you know, here and there. And if you have time and you remember, hey, it's Wednesday night. I think I'm gonna go join that online development group. I got a list of things I want to ask, join us. We have people from very, very beginners, people who just want to learn for people that have been seasoned practitioners for many, many years, just chatting, right? Chatting and doing stuff.

Frank:

That's so cool. That's been on my that's been on my to-do for months. Yeah. I'm like, I follow you on Instagram and stuff. Um I've been wanting to join.

Sara:

Join us. Join us. It's so fun. See?

Frank:

Yeah, it's um, I'm gonna consider that a personal invite. Yeah. I mean, making paranormal normal is definitely that's in our lexicon here. That's kind of what we're trying to do too.

Sara:

Yeah.

Frank:

So I love it so much. So I'm well, I'm definitely gonna be joining that on Wednesday.

Sara:

You can always join us at metaphysical you, the letter you.com.

Frank:

Awesome. Thank you so much, Sarah. You've been an absolute pleasure to talk to.

Sara:

Stay out of trouble. We'll talk soon. No problem.

Frank:

Bye bye.

Sara:

Bye.

Frank:

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