{REPLAY} 063: Spiritual Acceptance and Alignment // with Kelsey Anderson

This episode from Feb 2025 felt very relative as we start shifting into new roles here at Clairvoyaging. Kelsey has become a friend, and her insight has helped shape the last year of our lives.

In this episode, we talked with Kelsey Anderson, a gifted intuitive energy healer who transitioned from the corporate world to spiritual healing. Kelsey shares her profound journey, one that led her to rediscover her intuitive powers and embrace her true self. Throughout our conversation, we explore the challenges she faced, the pivotal moments that triggered her awakening, and the unique healing modalities she now incorporates into her practice.

Kelsey’s approach is deeply intuitive and fluid, allowing her to tailor her offerings to meet the needs of those she works with. She emphasizes the importance of reconnecting with one’s inner voice and nurturing it amidst life’s distractions. By encouraging self-exploration through journaling, meditating, and listening to intuition, Kelsey encourages practical tools to find your own path of healing.

We discuss how societal pressures often lead individuals away from alignment with their true purposes, emphasizing the necessity of personal empowerment to break free from conformity. Kelsey’s insights resonate with anyone seeking clarity and alignment in their lives. 

To work with Kelsey or learn more about her:

Visit: www.kelseyandersonintuitive.com

Instagram: www.instagram.com/kelseyandersonintuitive

Frank and Lauren now offer Spiritual Coaching and Empowerment Workshops. Visit www.clairvoyaging.com/services and use code VOYAGER at checkout for 15% off.

Transcript

Cold Open, Vibes, And Listener Shoutout

Lauren 1:02

Hey there! In this episode, we talked to Kelsey Anderson, an intuitive energy healer and psychic medium. We discussed her journey of shedding her corporate life to step into her true aligned purpose of intuitive healing. I'm Lauren Leon.

Frank 1:15

And I'm Frank.

Lauren 1:16

We are a married couple learning how to develop our own intuition. And this is episode 63 of Claire Voyaging. Wayfeather Media presents Claire Voyaging. You feel that? Those are the vibes.

Frank 1:50

Oh, we're back.

Lauren 1:50

We're getting the vibes, guys.

Frank 1:52

We're back, baby. And it's weirder than ever.

Lauren 1:55

How's everyone feeling today? Frank? You good?

Frank 1:59

How about you?

Lauren 2:00

Oh, just freaking dandy.

Frank 2:02

You know what? I think this is even better the second time. We recorded the intro, this intro, hours ago. Yeah. A little technical mishap. Yep. We don't point fingers around here.

Lauren 2:16

Oh, careful with that microphone, Frankie boy.

Frank 2:19

But we're we're here now and we're ready to ready ready to ready to rock.

Lauren 2:24

We're doing this. And I have some allergies. That's okay. And it's making m me more like ADHD, I think, or something. I know. I see I'm fiddling with the volume while talking.

Frank 2:39

We're literally doing a podcast and you're fidget spinning over here.

Lauren 2:42

I am having a hard time. Listen, it's funny guys. You know, the part of this is just being as vulnerable and honest about your journey as possible. It's just a tough day for me.

Frank 2:55

It's okay.

Lauren 2:57

Physically, mentally, I don't know. Anyway.

Frank 3:00

Not every day can be a great day.

Lauren 3:02

Well, we're ready for this one to move on.

Frank 3:04

And we're gonna keep us on track today. We sure are. What? What?

Lauren 3:09

We got a coffee.

Frank 3:10

Mm-mm.

Lauren 3:11

Yeah.

Frank 3:12

No.

Lauren 3:12

Chrissy gave us a she bought us a coffee.

Frank 3:15

Chrissy! Chrissy! Wait, here we go.

Lauren 3:17

Yep. Yeah! Hooray, Chrissy!

Frank 3:20

A roar. A roar of applause. A roar of applause?

Meet Kelsey: Early Gifts And Numbing

Lauren 3:24

Yeah. Okay, wait. Let's just, I'm gonna read this part of her message. Uh, Chrissy gave us a little message on Buy Me a Coffee, and it just made me and Frank laugh. She was saying, it's like when you were a kid with your friends and you see someone cool and you want to ask them stuff, but don't want to sound stupid. So you tell one of your friends, you ask them. I'm too embarrassed, you do it. Well, that's what you do for me. You have the guts to touch on a subject and ask questions that we are all wanting the answers to. And I think that's really funny. Because I'm happy to ask questions like, what do dolphins' thoughts sound like?

Frank 4:02

Chrissy, Chrissy, Chrissy, you pushed us up to the front of the circle of friends, and we're the ones who okay, I'll do it, I'll do it. Right or fun. Yeah, hold on. I'll do it in a second. I'll do it in a second.

Lauren 4:10

Yeah. Thank you, Chrissy. And if you want to buy us a coffee, head on over to buymeacoffee.com slash Claire Voyaging Podcast.

Frank 4:19

Yeah.

Lauren 4:20

Thank you for fueling us.

Frank 4:21

Thank you.

Lauren 4:23

Okay, we've got a great episode. Kelsey Anderson is really cool. Also, during the episode, she gave us sort of an impromptu reading, which just so happened to change the course of our last two weeks a little bit. It started helping us clarify what we want to do with our lives.

Frank 4:44

Yeah. As you may know, if you've heard of the last couple of shows, we are in a uh period of realignment right now. What's the word for how how do we do this?

Lauren 4:52

We want to take aligned action.

Frank 4:54

Aligned action. Yeah. Right. And uh, you know, to do that, you kind of just gotta know what you're about and what you want. And uh Kelsey got us there in a way that we haven't gotten ourselves there. So it was very helpful and uh things are moving. We're looking things are looking good.

Lauren 5:10

Yeah, I'm excited for the future of when we eventually share some updates for what we might have going on because yeah, it kind of helps me go like, wait, what does that look like?

Frank 5:24

Yeah.

Lauren 5:24

So thank you, Kelsey, for that.

Frank 5:26

Yeah.

Lauren 5:26

And with that, I feel like let's just get it going.

Frank 5:29

Let's rock and roll.

Lauren 5:30

All right.

Frank 5:31

Say something good.

Lauren 5:32

Roll out the red carpet. Kelsey, thank you so much for joining us on Claire Voyaging. We love to hear people's backstories. Um, can you tell us a bit about yourself and what brought you to doing this intuitive work?

Dark Night, Nature, And Missoula Turning Point

Kelsey 5:51

I love that. Thank you for asking. Uh, the backstory is kind of a windy one for me. I had, well, when I was younger, abilities. I think you will hear this a lot, and you have heard this a lot from other mediums and intuitive energy healers that a lot of us have this ability that happens early on in life, and it gets kind of shut down through societal pressure, family pressure, people not understanding, right, like what these abilities are. But early on, I had a lot of hearing, seeing, and knowing. I remember one distinct time that I like told my parents, I see this ghost and it slammed our door and I don't like it. Uh, and you know, you hear a lot of like, that's your imagination. And so that was how I felt as a young child. Those are my memories. And then somewhere along the way, I shut them down. I think safety response or just wanting to be accepted and loved. And by shut them down, I mean my guides were always there. Like I always felt the presence of being loved and comforted and held, especially like guided to safety in my early years when you know you're a teen and you're out. Like I always felt like I made choices that other people weren't making, and I always ended up being really safe or really guided in those years. Yeah, wow. But uh especially in college too, but I did a lot of numbing. Like that's my backstory, and I that's my truth is I numbed out these abilities because I didn't know what they were and I didn't know how to be safe with them. And so somewhere along the age of 25, I hit that first awakening crisis of self where it all started coming back online super quickly. I went down the self-help rabbit hole first, like big uh seminars, every book I could get my hands on. I mean, you name it. I'm like shoveling the information into my body trying to make sense, right? Of what I'm understanding. And I'm slowly like not able to be around groups of people. I start taking anxiety medication, I'm having panic attacks, and I'm just like, what is happening? So that's a little my backstory. Around 25, I was in a partnership and I ended that partnership, hopped in my car for a couple months, lived out of my car in like national parks and just in a tent. I sold my portion of my house and quit my job, and I just left it all behind. Um, because I I had to like I had to just like purge all of me to accept in this new version of me. And so it was a really wild time, but really my story starts, I think, for me, like that 25. When I was 25, this last decade has been this massive spiritual, we can call it a spiritual awakening, but it's a spiritual meandering, really. There's layers and grief and processes. And so, yeah, and then I made my way to a little town in Missoula, Montana. And I remember I was staying in a tepee on a reservation, and I was out in the middle of a field, like night sky. I could see every star, I was alone, it was freezing. And I just thought, like, my soul needs to come here because I meant to learn something. And so I did end up moving there. And I had just finished my master's. I was actually like doing my master's when I was living out of my car. I'd be like in a Starbucks parking lot and yeah, just trying to take the conventional path. I'm like, okay, if I finish a master's, get a great career, everything will be okay. Like it will fix itself. But of course, you know how this goes. It meanders into something where it's just an unavoidable uh kind of dark night of the soul where you have to figure out who you are and where you're going. And from there, I got introduced to Reiki. And then I started like an advanced energy intuition cohort when we finally moved to Seattle. And from there, the studies of everything, like mindfulness-based stress reduction. I think everything I could possibly bring into my space, I did until I felt safe and comfortable enough to like outwardly express these abilities that were happening.

Lauren 10:06

That's so interesting to me. Like, what a that's such a journey. In especially, so that's been the last like 10 years. You went from like you were where were you living?

Kelsey 10:19

I was living in Florida. So Florida to Montana to Seattle.

Frank 10:23

You're probably the best thing that's ever come out of Florida.

Kelsey 10:25

I believe at this point that might be true.

Frank 10:31

I never drop an opportunity to speak poorly of that.

Kelsey 10:35

And I was avoiding saying where I was from, but I'm in integrity. So when you ask, I'm gonna tell you.

Lauren 10:40

But sorry to do that to you.

Kelsey 10:46

I trust the process, it has to happen.

Lauren 10:50

Oh my gosh. Wow. So now you're and now just to bring us to the present, you're you do intuitive work. Do you do like energy healing along with it? Or you do like what is your like sweet spot? Is it readings or like group stuff? What is it?

Kelsey 11:08

That is a lovely question as well. So it's uh changed. It started with Reiki, where I would read people during session and then, but like incorporate it into Reiki. And now it's just my own flavor of energy healing, meaning uh different modalities, things I've channeled, things I've learned along the way. So it's an intuitive energy healing and guidance and the psychic mediumship piece. So the readings as well. I kind of package it in different ways. Like I have an intuitive healing and guidance one, which has some mediumship as you know, aspects to it, and then an awaken your joy, which is for people that are just really trying to find like joy again in their life after they've gone through a dark time that stems from you know my personal experience of going through that, and then a soul path, like an illuminate your soul path offering, where I work with people in more of a visualization guided reading scenario. So it yeah, it all kind of meanders. I also do teach group classes that are movement and breath work based, where I do like group energy and readings. So that's one of the things I love to do as well.

Lauren 12:20

Yeah, that's awesome. I always like to know so like when you had the like events as a kid, were your parents, was it just like could did you get the sense that they were just like scared of it or just like no no no? It's just your imagination, like literally just the kind of trope of like parents. Was it um and and and also how do they how did they react once you started shifting into like I'm stepping into my intuitive abilities and all that?

Corporate Years, Anxiety, And Intuitive Leaks

Kelsey 12:57

Well, when I was younger, I think I was really good at looking at adults and one like mimicking behavior or masking my behavior. And that comes in from the neurodivergent piece too. Like you learn really early on that in order to be loved and accepted and understood, you have to mask who you are and you can't just live in your wild joy. And my abilities were all wrapped into that, so it was a bit complex. My parents, I think it's a little of both, right? I think they hit get hit with this is uncomfortable, but then it comes out as the parenting trope. I don't know if there was a deep understanding for them. I do know that I was a really like anxious kid and a quote unquote stubborn kid. And I would do things like show up for dance class and be in the car and then tell my mom, I'm not going today. And like they could not get me to go in the building. And looking back, it's because of whatever I was experiencing sensory-wise, like with energies having been at school all day, or maybe the teacher like was in a rough mood and I could sense it and like not go in. So I think I just got labeled as a difficult child, and yeah, and they still came through, like, but just in different ways.

Lauren 14:11

So that's so that's really interesting to think about. Like, just we're so we we like program our kids or we program ourselves into like doing something, even though like our body is going like I don't want to. Like we just had this conversation about like conscious parenting, and it just reminds me of like a kid who doesn't want to be controlled. And sometimes it's just like maybe they're having like having sensitivity to the energy around them, and we're like, no, you're going. Yeah.

Frank 14:48

I like feel that so much. Yeah. Because I was uh not difficult, but just a very sensitive kid. Maybe that was difficult. I don't know. And um, I mean, to this day, I don't want to do anything. But really, like if it's a situation like around a lot of people or whatever, it's I have to get into a mode where I can manage that and like attend to that kind of thing. And I am so tired afterwards. Um so yeah. It's but yeah, as a kid, like I had sent like then I don't I don't know. I don't know, it's hard to tell like where like a mental health issue and like uh just a deep sensitivity overlap or anything. Yeah. I was always very concerned about like if I saw something that was out of place. I remember I was I was going to a um, I was probably like five or something. It was a swimming lesson at a high school that I eventually was going to attend in high school, but I'd see like rocks and pebbles that weren't with the other rocks and pebbles, and I would like cry. I'd be like, they don't belong here, they need to go home. And like that kind of thing. And I still feel that like way about certain things. I'm like, oh, you're out of place. And not in an OCD way. Like, oh, I wasn't trying to organize. I was like, I feel so bad for things that are alone.

Kelsey 16:03

Yeah, like it's not recognition. It's amazing as kids what we recognize and how it comes out in language versus how it feels in our body.

Lauren 16:13

And so Yeah, that's a great point.

Kelsey 16:16

We often are like, that feels out of place, but what we're really sensing is just something, a layer that is communication and information that nobody talks about or rarely talks about. And so we have to put it into these containers where could be something we don't have language for.

Lauren 16:33

And then, yeah, your parents were like, Why are you doing that? We're late for swim clouds.

Frank 16:38

Yeah, probably I was being difficult. That was probably it probably, I mean, that's a pain in the butt. I'd be like, even if it were my kid, now I'd be like, Yeah, those are rocks, they're fine.

Kelsey 16:47

You know, and I have to catch myself all the time.

Frank 16:51

Yeah.

Kelsey 16:52

Actually, let's explore what that is. Why do you feel that way?

Frank 16:55

Like Oh man, it takes such a special parent to like cool down the concern about lateness to some arbitrary thing. Yeah. Just to make sure that you're giving your kid that time to chill and to work it out.

Kelsey 17:10

It's like one of the hardest things parenting, reparenting, going through the process of your spiritual awakening alongside your child, and then figuring out how to parent through that. It's a deep process. And you Yeah.

Lauren 17:24

There's some like working through your own inner child stuff too, and going like, I would have appreciated this as a kid, so I'm gonna do this, and then like, whoa, but how much of that is just indulging too much? Indulging, projecting, yeah, projecting so much, yeah. Um so when you like, was there a part of your being or like essence that that felt like it required the as you call it, like meandering, or like kind of just because you were like living through living in different national parks and stuff? Was there like a piece to that or like something that you felt like you needed to get peace by that kind of being alone it through that?

Kelsey 18:17

Yeah, looking back, I can figure out what was happening, but I had just gone to one of those massive seminars, the you know, awakening self-help, like 9,000 people seminars. And oh yeah, like a like um what's one of those?

Lauren 18:33

Like landslide?

Frank 18:34

I call it landslide.

Kelsey 18:35

I've been to them all. I'm so sorry to say. It wasn't landmark, that was later on. Um that was interesting, but um it was actually like the Tony Robbins big event. Oh, and so that was my first time that someone said, like, hey, you can show up as you are. And while it's not the teachings they go off of now, and it's very far removed from that, it was the first time someone in my life had given full permission to awaken yourself. And so I took the grain of that, that like core, and that's what prompted it of like, oh wait, I don't have to live this conventional life. I can actually just go do this wild thing and no one can actually tell me what to do because I'm an adult. And so it was the first time, yeah, that I got to do that. But what I looking back now, I needed to be alone with nature so I could hear myself, I could hear the messages, and I could hear nature speaking. And there was too much noise everywhere else. And so by being alone in a tent and like listening to the, you know, wild animals and the breeze and the wind, I journaled so much throughout that time because I was pulling in so much, so many like messages.

Frank 19:44

Okay, hold on, we have to back up a little bit. Okay, so you were 25 years old, you're feeling overwhelmed and like, well, like you're out of place.

Kelsey 19:51

Is that very out of place?

Frank 19:53

And you go full psychic Jack Kerouac and you hit you hit the road. And Jack Kerouac? Kerouac. And you were experiencing while you were on the road, were you experiencing panic attacks during that and stuff, or was it before that? Or what when did you start addressing these things as like what you needed as as a as a signal for you for uh like a trigger that you needed to address?

Kelsey 20:16

Yeah, so I the panic attacks from what I could tell came on around 22, 23. And so they were a couple years, 22 to 25. I still had them up until like 28, 29, but um during the time I was on the road, I don't recall experiencing any. Yeah, at all.

Frank 20:35

Oh wow.

Permission, Masks, And Sensitive Kids

Kelsey 20:36

So when I was living in NH, it wasn't until I went back into a big city, and actually in Montana, I didn't either. But when I went back to Seattle, they started again. So being back in a big city with like long, I was commuting, uh, I was actually in corporate. So I ended up my career was in corporate management consultant, so business consulting at like these huge, huge companies. And imagine the energy. Yeah. What's I will share this because I I think it's relevant is that I remember being in some of these boardrooms, right? At these massive companies, and I would travel like every couple weeks for work. And I remember taking notes because I was a business analyst, project manager for for a while. And I would give the notes to like my team, but it wouldn't necessarily be things people had said. It was just things I inferred. And at the time, you know, like, where did are you sure this person said that? And I'd be like, oh well, there was a detail that suggests like I would have to explain how I arrived at this information. And I think it was nuanced enough that people didn't call me out on it. But um there was a couple of times I would like predict things like this will be the most challenging person we have to work with. And the reason why is because XYZ and she has this personal thing I can tell that's going on in her life.

Frank 21:50

Oh my god.

Kelsey 21:51

Or his life, right? And then it would be true, and that would end up being our hardest like client to work with.

Lauren 21:57

Oh my gosh.

Kelsey 21:58

Yeah, before I knew what was going on, it manifested in some very weird and wild ways for me.

Frank 22:05

Be careful with what you say because you're gonna get the corporate world to be like, oh hey, we need staff psychics. Yeah, we need we need like, yeah.

Lauren 22:15

We need a Kelsey to let us know if we got the right hire.

Frank 22:18

Well, this is Kelsey, our our uh uh uh intuitive consultant. Yeah. And uh she's here just she's just gonna be observing today.

Kelsey 22:25

I mean, you say that, and I know I'm like, okay, regenerative, like, you know, are they doing something beautiful for the world? Call me. Like, I'm in. But uh there's some boundaries for sure. But I do, I was always in on the hiring. Like, I was always one of the people doing the interviewing and hiring in a lot of the roles I was in. And I remember I would be at odds with almost everyone else. Like, I'd be, you know, eight people would say they're awesome, they're gonna do a great job. And I would be like, no, no, no, you don't see the layers, like, you don't see how this is gonna play out. This person is actually really ego-driven or is gonna be really mean to you know, these people, and then just give it six months.

Lauren 23:06

It just would they wait, I would they come back to you and be like, you were right, or what was it always just like this? No, corporate world, you're never gonna get that side.

Frank 23:18

No, no, you have oh, that's so infuriating the moment, and then everything is gone. No one's gonna listen or remember what you did.

Lauren 23:24

That's where that's where my gavel of justice comes in, where I'm like, I want them to know that I was right.

Frank 23:31

You've avoided you've avoided 10 deep meeting rooms for a while. You haven't had to like No, I know it's it's I'm so happy for you.

Kelsey 23:38

Yes, it's I mean, just to even recognize the ego is beautiful because yeah, it will definitely always be the leader until otherwise said.

Lauren 23:48

That's so interesting, though. You're you're like, did you feel really unaligned and like at odds with what you were doing in the business world, the corporate world?

Kelsey 23:58

It was hor it was, I mean, horrible isn't the right word, but like I would go in and still just try to support people and I would do my work, but I really would just be like, How's your day going? You want to talk about it?

Frank 24:09

You know, you want to yeah, classic millennial, millennial manager.

Lauren 24:15

I was that you were doing like healing work without like having the training yet.

Kelsey 24:20

Yeah, and when I was not healing myself and experiencing this, it was also I want to like recognize it was really rough for everyone around me. Like I, it was not easy for the people I worked with, I don't think, when I was not healing myself because it comes out in really rough ways. Like you get really um grieving, you know, a little bit, you can sense grief, or maybe there's like a bit of a trigger where I get overwhelmed easily. And so I would get overwhelmed in places. And so I can imagine like working alongside someone who's not aware of or healing in their journey could also present challenges. So I go back and think about that too.

Lauren 24:58

That's really interesting. I think about that with the job I had two jobs ago that you also worked there. Uh-huh. I remember that one. The most toxic place ever.

Frank 25:10

Right.

Lauren 25:11

But I think about like myself, like I was just only maybe, you know, starting there like two a year or two after losing my brother, and in such a toxic environment, and not I also went through like the big like a huge breakup at some point there. And yeah, just thinking about how like if you're really not healing yourself, even though you're trying to like like you said, I I would be like, How are you? You know, I want to talk about like the real stuff, but also not being a fully healed person, yeah. The the overwhelm really gets a hold of you. That's an interesting perspective I haven't I haven't thought about.

Frank 26:01

So was it do you think it was more in retrospect? Do you think it was more the uh for you? Was it the overwhelm of being in an environment with a lot of people like Seattle, or was it the overwhelm of trying to shoehorn your yourself into like a corporate gig that doesn't that has no room for this?

Solitude, Seminars, And Listening To Nature

Kelsey 26:20

It's definitely the the shoehorn now that I can look back at it. Because I think any healer, anyone that's doing this work, anyone that can read people, if they have the right boundaries and tools and teachings, they can safeguard themselves, safeguard other people. You know, you can have normal interactions, you can be around lots of energies. In fact, it can be super interesting. But at the time I was so out of my soul purpose, so out of alignment, and I knew it. And that's the thing is I knew it for years. The whispers, the nudges, the things like life got infinitely harder every day, just in all of the craziest ways. You know, it's that thing of like you wake up and you have like a sunshiny day versus I would wake up, I'd be rushing, my car wouldn't start, I'd get a nail on my tire, I'd spill my coffee, I'd have an eyelash in my eye, I'd pull over. Yeah, like that. That was one of my days one morning. Yeah, it just was in it was just insane. So yeah, I the minute I shifted into more alignment, everything in my life started getting more beautiful, more synchronous. It was just been a full shift for me.

Lauren 27:26

Did you have friends that were like, what do you mean you're going into nature and like you you live in a tent sometimes? Like, did you have did you feel that like contrast of like what's up, Kelsey?

Kelsey 27:40

You know? I think I left behind every single one of my friends from childhood and from that time. I don't I don't have a single friend from that time still. And I it not no love was lost. I I also don't think being with me on my path was their path either, you know, because it was such a different shift. But I do yeah, I do think about that. I I I take that back. Like there are a few people I I stay in touch with that are actually now married into my family, so that's really wonderful. Oh really? Uh from like a friend. So I want to make sure that I acknowledge that. But that feels like something that was meant to be, right? Like it just yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah. That's that's like I shoehorn myself into I'm sure. I mean, based on what you have shared too, like how does that feel with you? Because that really vibes with your journey as well, right? The shoehorning into Yeah.

Lauren 28:39

Yeah. Yeah. When I think about like I actually when we were we were like in San Diego this weekend and I was like driving through certain areas where you know, I was working at a restaurant and going through some really challenging stuff, and you're young, you kind of surround yourself if you're looking, like you said, looking to like numb your your feelings, or you're just you're overwhelmed because there's there's part of you that's not fully healed, you're gonna surround yourself with like people that aren't quite aligned with you. And I was just thinking like yesterday, oh it's interesting. I don't talk to like any, you know, you lose touch with a lot of different people. Yeah.

Frank 29:27

Yeah, and I deeply resonate with your entire story. The only difference the the big difference really is just that I don't I don't have any like uh tangible uh psychic abilities to to blame it on.

Kelsey 29:41

I'd love to get though. I got a I got a bit of a read on you actually starting yesterday, but we can talk about that later.

Boardrooms, Predictions, And Misalignment

Frank 29:48

Oh, this is fun. I'm thrilled to hear about this. But yeah, like to your point, like growing up super sensitive and like just trying to force myself, and sorry, the audience has heard about this so many times, but just trying to force myself into the the program of you know corporate work and all that stuff. And like, you know, I wanted to be independent and have my own space, so I got into corporate work like pretty young, and I like as much as I hated it, it was just like part of the the pure misery of the daily grind was just part of this is life. This is what it's supposed to be like, right? And it wasn't until like when COVID happened and then I was working from home, I'm like you know, this is a terrible time in in history of the world, and this is also one of the greatest things that's ever happened to me personally. Yes. Like I don't want to say like everyone I was with was toxic, but like, you know, at at points, there are certain individuals because maybe of my openness and wanting to help, I would attract some toxicity. And I wanted to help so bad. And but also And they saw that in you, it came at a cost.

Kelsey 30:55

Yeah, so like their energy saw your energy and just do it.

Frank 31:00

Yeah, yeah. Same thing though, panic attacks starting when I was 22, and you know, I'd be like, I don't know what this is. I went to a doctor. They're like, Oh, you have high blood pressure. Like, no, I don't.

Kelsey 31:10

Oh, good job, medicine.

Frank 31:13

So I was on that, and then I do this mostly now. So being in my own space under control, not being forced on a daily basis to have to try to prove my my value as an individual. Like, I I feel amazing. I would like some more money. That's difficult right now, but like I I feel great.

Kelsey 31:32

I understand that I am abundant. You just say that. I understand that I'm abundant and I'm attracting energy. I feel abundant. I feel the flow of money into my life. And I know that sounds so woo, and everyone's gonna be like, oh, not this again, not the mantras, not the no, it's it's helpful. Our thoughts are so magnetic to everything, the way we show up in the world, and then it impacts our energy, and our energy impacts how we show up in the world, and it impacts who we meet and the opportunities that get presented to us because of how we show up in the world. It's like this beautiful map.

Lauren 32:08

Yeah, yeah. I was just telling you I tell because I started saying some like mantras like money flows to me easily and effortlessly, or money is abundant, and then and I'll say it like kind of cheeky to you, like a few days later, something happens that's like, oh, that just confirmed, you know, some little like abundance thing, and I like show gratitude or whatever, and I tell Frank, but I'm like, you gotta do you gotta say it out loud to me too.

Frank 32:44

You know, it's one it's one thing to love hearing, like I yeah, I like I like um the mantras and stuff like that. But when your wife is doing the like Groucho Marks eyebrows, while saying, I love abundance, you are abundant. I'm like, okay, back off. You're but I love it because of her energy is just a little thing. Here we go. Yeah, yeah.

Lauren 33:11

So to do some like d some some serious unwinding of like uh scarcity mindset and all that. But I've I've I've I've done some I've done some stuff just to get rid of those limiting beliefs.

Frank 33:30

That's that's like an ongoing journey though, you know.

Kelsey 33:32

Yes, that's my ongoing journey too. Like that's where I'm at my process right now is the scarcity, uh the the wound of like showing up, of being able to be visible because I yeah, I've been doing this work for a lot longer than like any of my socials or anything would show because I was scared to be visible. So it was all word of mouth or like yeah, in people in my circle. And so just this like last six months, something activated in me and was like, time to be visible, get ready. Okay, that's awesome. Time to be on a podcast, time to have you be on a podcast. It's crazy.

Frank 34:10

No, like legit within the last couple months, I felt the same way though. Because if you go look at my even just my personal like TikTok or Instagram, you will see four photos that have been there for four years. And like I don't do that. But recently, because of like I I don't I know who I don't like Donald Trump.

Kelsey 34:28

I don't think we need to break that down.

Frank 34:34

I I used to make punk rock and stuff, and now I'm like, oh, I my teenage self feels that angst again, and I I'm making some like kind of angsty art as a way to express. And now I'm like, oh, I I want this to be on my social feeds. Like I I I feel like it's okay to take up space in this direction because this feels like something that's needed. Um so I don't know if that has anything to do with your calling as well in the last six months, but it's like time for people like you to rise up.

Kelsey 35:05

It does, it is. I think so many people are going through this right now. It's actually one of the reasons that I believe I'm being called to show up, is because there are people that need support and guidance, especially from people that have walked through it or are like have a grounded perspective, or maybe have been in the corporate world, or have done a 180 with their life, or are weird and go live in tents and ditch everything. I don't know. You never know who needs support. Um but yeah, it really is. And in to your point about the teenager, right? Like feeling into that, it feels like your inner teenager got liberated.

Frank 35:42

So now they're just that's kind of what it feels like to me too.

Kelsey 35:45

Like it just like even when you spoke about it, your energy shifted, your mannerisms, everything, and then it went back to you now. So it's just so cool to see because that liberation came out, like popped out, and was like, hey, and then it came out. Oh, I love that.

Lauren 35:59

That's so that's really fun. It makes uh for some reason I I feel like choked up by that because that's something that you had to like fight against.

Frank 36:12

I had to crush it to go to work.

Lauren 36:13

Yeah, yeah.

Frank 36:15

You know, you can't, it's too much of a a dichotomy to like feel that way. Yeah, to feel that way and then go show up for your corporate gig. That like you it's hard to work for work for the man during the day and then like write songs against it during the night. Like, how hypocritical is that?

Lauren 36:31

Yeah.

Frank 36:32

And now I'm in a position to not have to like have such a dichotomy that that that are at odds, you know. So I'm a I feel like I'm allowed to do that again.

Lauren 36:41

But you also just recently in the last couple of months had the realization that you are allowed to take up space or that you were you felt like you couldn't for a while. And like that's an that's an interesting thing too, finally. Like stepping into that. Like it's okay.

Frank 36:59

It's an annoying thing for a cis white male to say, I feel like I need to take up more space. I mean, you know, white presenting at least. But the you know, when I see some other dudes out there, I I had to go to Lowe's to pick something up. And um, I I walk in, I'm like, you know, I'm I'm I'm I'm reserved, head down. I'm I'm gonna go quietly do the thing I need to do.

Mantras, Scarcity, And Becoming Visible

Kelsey 37:20

And I just saw a guy like on edge of what's sorry, I don't want to like waste your time with the stupid Lowe's stories. I mean he's like so much that I want to acknowledge for after this.

Frank 37:33

First of all, this dude's like seven feet tall, right? He's walking his dog into Lowe's. And I noticed without looking at a sign, is there can you bring your? I don't know if you could bring your dog into Lowe's. I think you can. Okay, cool. They don't sell food on the phone, yell talking at somebody about like, oh yeah, well, that's why I got my fucking lawyer on it. And I'm like, I can hear you from across the parking lot. And I'm like just trying to get in and get out and like be cool. And I'm like, why is he so confident? Like, what is what are you what are you bringing to the table right now? Except for loud, you know what I mean? I was so like, and it was I it was a little thing like that that made me think, what am I being so reserved for when like you're even on the phone talking about the system? You're talking about your lawyer and all this stuff. It's and it's probably over something dumb. Like so funny. Why can't I be that expressive about important things? You know what I mean? Um, or at least at the very least, give people that I know a platform to be vocal about that kind of stuff, like you know, like what we're doing here on the show. Yeah, I can still be loud and annoying, and I'm still the guy in the room, but like, you know, I I I love I like being able to give other people a platform where they don't necessarily have to be loud because the room's a little quieter than that seven-foot monstrosity that walked into Lowe's with me.

Kelsey 38:51

Okay, I'm so much I love this story, and I love this seven-foot monstrosity because just imagine for a minute that he was supposed to be there for you. No, imagine for a minute that his presence awakened a realization in you and your team of light orchestrated that for you because not everybody shows up to be a nuisance. Sometimes that orchestration is showing up to be a lesson or an awakening moment. And even that you're talking about it and it allowed you permission for like your soul to take up space. Like, I love what you said about I'm a cis white man presenting. I don't who wants to hear me take up space, but like there's a difference. Like, you can even say, my ego versus my soul, like you can even start saying, like, my soul wants to take up space.

Frank 39:37

That's what it feels like.

Kelsey 39:39

Everyone's soul, like it doesn't matter what body you were born into, you didn't choose that necessarily. Maybe you did. Um, but a lot of us are just like on a mission to learn, regardless of what form we come into. And so your soul's always gonna want to take up space and and be aligned.

Frank 39:57

Yeah, that's that is what that moment felt like. It wasn't it wasn't like my outward appearance appearance that I was concerned about taking up space. I didn't want to compete with that person. I just wanted to, and I don't even want to be as loud or as big as that person. I just it's okay to take up space to to represent what you're supposed to represent in this world.

Kelsey 40:18

Yeah, you're like, okay, don't want to be this guy. I don't know who wants to be this guy.

Frank 40:23

And at the same time, I'll give more power to this guy. What cool, how cool would it be to walk into a space and not give a shit about what anybody was thinking.

Kelsey 40:31

It is a it is a vibe, like it is a vibration. You can there's you feel that, and you're like, this is the raw power you walk through life with, regardless of if you like it or not.

Lauren 40:40

Like it's just right, yeah, like way less aware of your surroundings for sure.

Frank 40:46

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Back to you. I ended up talking about me so much on the show. I feel so bad about it.

Kelsey 40:54

It's like my favorite part because it's conversational and it's humans, and I love the interview aspect, but like also we learned so much. Through other people's stories. I think being told logically versus someone animating a piece of their life that they awakened to or went through, like someone's gonna hear that and be like, whoa, I can take up space. That's awesome.

Frank 41:17

Yes, you can take up space. Yeah, we need you to even. Your awakening, your reawakening started when you're 25. Uh that was you know on the road, living in in national parks, which is something I'm a little jealous of. I think that's sounds very cool and unique. And how long did that process take before you said, oh, this is what this is what I'm supposed to be?

Kelsey 41:43

Uh 28 to 20, or 25 to 28, 28 and a half.

Frank 41:48

Okay.

Kelsey 41:48

Was about when. So what ended up happening is I was in Seattle, panic attacks started happening again. And I I love I'm just gonna tell it. I found people who understand Groupon will understand this. But at the time, Groupon was still normal and cool, and you could use it for anything.

Frank 42:08

So please don't come at me for using a group on the thing.

Kelsey 42:11

Groupon had a shining mess now.

Frank 42:13

It had a shining moment in history. And if you missed it, I'm so sorry, but it was it was glorious for five minutes.

Angels, Frequencies, And Calling In Support

Kelsey 42:18

So for the five minute shining moment in history, this incredible Reiki healer put her thing on Groupon. And I was, you know, still like trying to figure out finances and student loans and all the things people figure out. And so I was like, a group on for Reiki. Like, so I bought it, I went and saw her. I thought this could be really weird or really awesome, and I wasn't sure which way it was gonna go. And I stepped into this magical humans portal of a room, and she's dressed in like Uggs, and there's like an eagle wing, or I think it was an eagle or hawk wing that had been gifted to her through ceremony. On you know, there was feathers and there was like drums, and she's just like lay on the table. And I had never been to receive Reiki, and she did this entire beautiful ceremony. And after I got off the table, she chatted and told me the messages that came through. And she had a um, you know, native lens that was her her rite of passage and history, and so she brought that in, which was just so new and beautiful to me. And she looked at me and was like, You have these abilities, you've been ignoring them, and it's okay, like it's safe, it's okay to do this, to go after this, to recognize this. And she was the first person and also the first woman that ever looked at me and like gave me permission. And from then, that moment on, it was like the floodgates were like, whoa, here we go. That's when I immediately signed up for Reiki. I found this amazing teacher in Seattle. I was with her for many years. I joined this cohort of probably about 15 other amazing healers that we went through like an advanced intuition, energy, psychic medium, uh, learning. And then from there, it just like keeps going. It keeps, it just really blew open. From Groupon. Thank you, Groupon. Groupon! Groupon, oh my gosh.

Frank 44:14

This episode of Claire Voyaging is sponsored by Groupon.

Kelsey 44:17

Bringing it back.

Frank 44:19

We're bringing it. That's a new slogan. We're bringing it back, baby. That's so cool.

Lauren 44:24

Wow, that's really beautiful.

Frank 44:26

How nice of like a I don't know, how nice of a uh to have that kind of ushering into your your new spiritual period.

Kelsey 44:35

Yeah. I feel very fortunate. I hope to be able to do that for other people. That's really why I show up like this every day, is because I know that there's people that feel lost and scared and nervous and things are hitting them and they don't know why. And I don't want anyone to walk this alone. It's a tough time in our modern history as well. And so if you add in all the factors that are going on for people, they have a hard time disseminating what's their own voice, what's an outside voice, what they should feel. And I just hope to be able to like extend a hand and say, it's okay, you know, you're safe. Let's walk. Like, let's walk together. That's kind of my that's awesome.

Frank 45:13

Yeah, that's fantastic. We need people like you.

Lauren 45:15

Yeah, that's so beautiful. Thank you. I didn't know what Reiki was, and I went to I had like a nice session. It wasn't anything as like profound as that. It was I was actually driving up to it and I was like, This is at her house. Oh god, this is at her house. I've never done this before. And I'm at some lady's house, and what if she is going to actually murder me? Like, I think I sent you my location. I was like, I just realized, like, I don't know what I'm walking into at all.

Frank 45:54

I think I just met her husband.

Lauren 45:56

No, no, I think I was like, what if she has a like a murdery husband?

Frank 46:02

A murdery husband.

Lauren 46:04

I don't, yeah. Very different husband.

Frank 46:07

I mean Yeah, everyone go to Reiki for your first time if you haven't, but make sure you share your location with somebody just in case they have a murdery husband.

Lauren 46:14

It was very lovely and so peaceful. And she immediately like, you know, I was put at ease and like, oh, okay, this is great. But but um, an eagle wing, and like she was just like, Oh, your hands have a lot of energy in them. You must have been a healer in another life or whatever. And I'm like, okay.

Frank 46:33

Well, it's it sounds like Kelsey, you got someone who is not just a Reiki master, but also or a Reiki practitioner, but also very, very deeply intuitive.

Kelsey 46:43

Yeah. Yeah, she what I see so much happen is, and you're you're spot on with that, is that a lot of us go through Reiki as a modality to make sense of it all and to honor that tradition. And then we start tuning into our own channels and bringing in the information that's meant for us and our heal the healing modalities that are meant to come through us, and they often integrate and look very different. Reiki's a really beautiful way for people to understand they're safe in that space because we're honoring the boundaries. Like I still honor the same boundaries that Reiki taught me, but the energy work I'm doing is different modalities in my own uh modalities throughout, too.

Frank 47:22

I I wanted to ask you about that because I once were always we always advocate for Reiki on the show. But I have been told once by uh somebody that they sensed Reiki and the symbols you learn or receive as somewhat limiting. Um and it sounds like you've maybe used Reiki as a as a launch pad for other stuff. Is that is there a truth to that or like Reiki can be somewhat limiting if you're ready to move beyond it?

Kelsey 47:50

It seems to me like you take, you know, you have like a spark and a fire, right? And so if you're trying to have like a tiny fire, little like tiny spark fire and you're roasting one marshmallow, that feels safe there. But if you have a whole group of people that are trying to make s'mores, it's gonna be really hard to do it with that little flame. You need a huge roaring fire to make the group s'mores. I don't know if this analogy is making sense, but I'm gonna roll with it. So basically, you know, re killing it feels like the for me, it can be just as powerful, but that's for me, it was that smaller flame where I could work with one person and work through some of those initial energies, but it was too small, it was too small of a container to hold everything. Like it needed to be a bigger fire. And so the way that this energy comes through now is completely different hand movements and signals, and I don't limit them based on uh signs as much as like what my team of light uh instruct me to do through just receiving. So everything I do is just for is gonna look different every single person that comes through. It's it's never gonna be the same. That way.

Frank 48:58

And do you do that in the as an individual practitioner, or are you now doing that as a group?

Activations And The Lanoa Connection

Kelsey 49:03

So that's where I've kind of transitioned is when I started teaching group work and I started, you know, holding space for eight to ten or plus people at a time. I just needed to have a full expression of energy flow. So I'm bringing in oh, all sorts of the rainbow people and my home galactic planet healers, and I'm bringing in, you know, all of the like ascended masters are working with angels, I'm working with a lot of different entities of the light, I would say, that are bringing in energy flow in just the most beautiful way.

Frank 49:37

So is it more or less like you have a giant toolbox at your disposal now that Reiki showed you how to initiate?

Lauren 49:44

Yeah, that's exactly what it's like. Was that something you were trained in or something where you intuitively started picking up more and more kind of information through your guides and like intuitively knowing what to do?

Kelsey 50:00

It was both. I feel really fortunate it was both. So the same person who taught me Reiki through all the, you know, levels, then I went on to do what she called an advanced intuition program, which was a cohort of many healers that were ready to learn different modalities. And so that's when I got introduced to a lot of these beautiful uh beings and modalities. And then from there, when I kind of went off on my own, it's all been what's been coming through through my own experiences, through like activation, through meditation, through channeling and exploring as well, like what I do for myself and my family, because I I tend to also bring those same healing modalities into my own practice as well.

Lauren 50:43

That's cool.

Kelsey 50:44

Um, what are rainbow people? I hope I can do this justice because this was introduced to me, but uh the they are, I want to make sure like I'm politically correct here, but a ancient Hawaiian um healers as well. Oh, so there's sorry, there's two. There's the ancient Hawaiian healers, and then there's the rainbow people. And so these are all beings that help come ground and stabilize and flow. Think of like a rainbow light through to through the person who's doing the hands-on healing through. And it's just a very like safe, clearing, high-frequency light. And they show up and they'll usually like place hands and ground and stabilize. So it's it's like if you're feeling like you need extra support in a session, I'll call in different beings depending on what level of support I feel I need to offer the person. Like, for instance, if the person is going through or has gone through immense trauma or um honestly sexual trauma, I'll call in a lot of those beings to help ground and provide that extra layer of like love and and healing support as I'm helping them work through that. Because it'll, you know, it comes up to the surface.

Lauren 51:52

This is a dumb question, but there's no dumb question. I always like when you call in like different beings, do you kind of have this sense of like okay, like okay, they've arrived, or like Archangel Michael is here now, and like you know what that feels like.

Kelsey 52:16

Yeah, so for me it's a feeling, so I can feel and know. So both those are two big ones for me. And then I think after the feeling and knowing comes the seeing. And then for me, the hearing is actually more on the the last echelon for me. I'm always working with all of them, but I tend to, yeah, I will like feel their presence. And I guess I do for certain of them, I'll see, but I won't see like the full being. I might see just like the hand. I know that sounds really creepy, but it's not, it's very comforting, like the hand or the light, right, on either side. I do see, I do see people's guides and I do see their team of light, but I feel them first in my like physical presence in my body, or like I'll feel the essence of them come through. And with with working with angels as well, like you can sometimes hear, or at least for me, you can hear like a I know this sounds really also wild, but like a like a uh like a a frequency change. So that's how I know that light being showing.

Frank 53:14

Wait, hold on. A frequency change, the what the what you just the sound you just made makes it sound like you know, when an uh electric car rolls down the road and they make that sound, so you know.

Kelsey 53:22

It sounds like that. It sounds like that's like a light, huh? It sounds like that. It sounds like that. Um, yeah, like when they're backing up and it turns on, it's like uh it's that that's the frequency I hear them show up for me. So I always trust, I love that too though, because I am I have seen a lot of dark things and I have witnessed and felt a lot of energies as an unprotected, like without being able to protect or ask them to go away. And for a lot of my life I felt fear because I was witnessing all these without being able to escape or like send them away. And so I love that I can now sense when a being is of like the light and has a really high frequency and is there for like the highest and best good. So my entire practice is so big on making sure those beings are there for the absolute highest and best for whoever is with me.

Lauren 54:14

Man, that's so nice. I want to hear that. So you said that the gotta meditate more.

Frank 54:21

Oh, you want to hear that the sound? Yeah, I want to hear like angels or or oh well, just next time you hear that, just look around you to make sure there's not a Chevy Bolt backing up somewhere.

Kelsey 54:31

I'm sure that too, because it can really throw you off. You can be like, God, is that you? And they'll be like, it's just a bunch of kids getting into guys. It's just a hybrid. Yeah, yes.

Frank 54:41

The last thing you want is to think you're about to like see an angel and then to have someone's like license plate embedded in your forehead.

Humility, 5D Shift, And Owning Mediumship

Kelsey 54:46

So it's wild. I will say they aren't all like that. The you know, the beings that I feel I'm had a lot of past life, you know, regressions that have been facilitated for me in this beings, these intergalactic beings that are like my home place. I actually haven't talked to it uh about it out loud a lot yet because I wanted to make sure I was really grounded in what I was channeling and bringing through. But they came to me with like an activate, activate, activate type of thing where it was a very strong presence. And um, it was like a physical touch and then a yeah, telepathic connection. And so they aren't all as like, oh, you know, some of them are a little more intense than that.

Lauren 55:29

Yeah. Can you say more about what you mean by activate, activate, activate?

Kelsey 55:35

Yeah, I can. So I was in the woods by my house. I had had some really strong readings, some really strong things coming through in the last couple of weeks prior to that. I had learned about this past life on this planet as this being years prior. Like I had sat with it for five to seven years, I think. Oh, five, yeah, five to seven years at this point. And all of a sudden, I get a message from my guides like, you should touch the ground and then touch your third eye. And I was already in a very spiritual connected place. And when I get insights like that now, I'm like, okay, cool, let's do it. It's gonna, I hope no one hiking, you know, is freaked out, but we're gonna do it. So I'm the person in the woods that's like touching the ground and touching my third eye. So I do that, and then I get like just go around or honey. I'm I'm so sorry. Uh it's happening. And yeah, and all of a sudden I just got they showed up. I got like an activate, activate, activate, meaning it was a moment of activation. And from then on, they've been called through in my sessions. I've been able to channel them, and it's just been like an incredible new thing that I actually wasn't sure I would ever get the chance to like speak with them directly or feel called to them uh in that way to channel messages from them, but that was wild. That was the first time that's happened to me.

Frank 56:58

So that's amazing.

Lauren 57:01

Okay, so when people are saying activations, because I don't think I've gotten that definition before, but when they're when someone says an activation, it's like potentially a new energy that you're someone might be connecting with or able to sense.

Kelsey 57:20

Yeah, it's that's a really good way to put it. Everyone seems to be a bit different in how they perceive an activation. For me, it felt like I was able to hold it, like my abilities were grounded enough, I had learned enough, I had been safe enough, I could control how my energy was like protected in the world where I was like ready for it. And so it was a connection with these beings that I am assuming was part of my soul path, and I was meant to connect with them. But it was just a matter of like when or how that would be safe to do that. It is for me a home plan, what I call my home planet. So it feels like an origination point for me. So as far back as I have been able to go, and it is beings that are telepathic-based, but they, anyways, they communicate energetically. They are tiny blue with like these beautiful antennae on them, and they actually sync with the earth. So the earth and them, they speak the same language as their planet. It's a really fascinating, beautiful exploration. Like I'm sharing it real time because I'm exploring it. And I've done all the work to understand if these beings exist for other people, and I can't find anything on the web or of any existence that anyone has mentioned this specific like planet and beings and how they communicate. So I'm also just really curious about that.

Frank 58:49

That is interesting. I haven't heard anybody wait, did you get a name for like a planet or a being?

Kelsey 58:54

I did actually earlier today, so that's why it's really fresh on my mind. Um, it's basically the way it feels, so it's a little hard, but it's like Lanoa is the is the rhythm and vibration. And so that is how they've come through with the planet, but they've let me know that that's not how they name it, it's just how I can receive it in English.

Frank 59:18

Sure.

Lauren 59:20

Wow. Oh, I'm so I'm so curious to hear how that progresses.

Frank 59:28

Yeah. That's really cool.

Kelsey 59:31

I love being able to share real time though, because I I do want everyone to know that we're all on this journey. None of us have figured it out. None of us are walking this, like, well, at least no one I know, even the best teachers I have, are not some super enlightened beings that have it figured out. Like we are revisiting the same stuff over and over again. And anything that my team of light wants to share, or like these beings or other beings want to bring through, I just honor that it's like the right time.

Frank 1:00:00

Right, right. And if I can add a very human point to that too, anybody who acts like they have it all figured out or know what's going on is lying. Yeah, yeah. Red flags, red flags everywhere.

Kelsey 1:00:18

Yeah, it's good to have confidence, but I think we all need to be humbled by this work and this as well.

Lauren 1:00:25

Yeah, yeah. This very human 3D experience.

Kelsey 1:00:30

It is unfortunately. I think we're moving into more of a 5D experience. It feels like there's been a huge shift these last, you know, six months, but I'm not sure if you two have felt it as well.

Frank 1:00:44

Yes.

Kelsey 1:00:44

Yes.

Frank 1:00:45

Even as muggles, like there's a clear push into something new. And it's it's very interesting to try and as people who are solid solid solidly in the 3D realm right now, it's very interesting to still Perceive that and be like, whoa, something's something big is is a foot, you know.

Live Mini-Readings: Paths, Purpose, And Fire

Lauren 1:01:05

But even just the amount of people, and I don't think it's just because I'm more willing to like have these conversations like the that we have on our podcast, I think it's interesting to see the shift in like other people's like willingness, where like even two years ago, if you like talk about past lives or spirits or something, there's still people who are like, Yuck, don't like I hate that, or something. But then there's a lot of people where you can feel like, oh yeah, I'm all about it.

Frank 1:01:47

People waiting to talk about it.

Lauren 1:01:48

Yeah. So and it feels like it's a bigger collection. Again, could be because I'm just like, you want to talk about it. But it does feel like it's becoming a little more wide, widespread or acceptable, or I don't know.

Kelsey 1:02:07

Yeah. I was, I mean, when people would ask you in California, it's true, but like people would ask me even a year ago, what do you do? And I would just say, I I'm a Reiki or I'm an intuitive energy healer. I would leave out the psychic medium part all the time until I felt like I was safe to say that, like internally, I think inside, and then also externally.

Frank 1:02:28

Yeah.

Kelsey 1:02:28

So it took me a really long time to speak that part out loud, but that's like the truest part of what I do. So there had to be some reckoning reckoning there. Um, your guides are funny. They keep bringing little messages through. And the one they just brought through, I have to tell you because I I think it's very funny.

Lauren 1:02:46

Wait, my guides or Frank's or both of ours? Both.

Kelsey 1:02:49

Well, okay. So hold on. It originated from Frank's, but your your the vision of like your future looks uh a little different than Frank's. They're two past converging but separate, like walking alongside. But the thing we've been told that before. Yeah, the thing they keep saying is uh, or that they just said when you said the muggles, muggles like us, is immediately they came in and said, Tell them they're not as muggly muggles as they think they are.

Frank 1:03:14

You know what's funny? As soon as I said that, I said, uh that doesn't feel like I should be saying that anymore. Yeah. And I even thought of a a a backup joke saying, it would be funny if we called us struggles because we're struggling to unmuggle, but it's fine.

Kelsey 1:03:28

They like that joke better. They like that joke a bit better. Um but they were not, they they do, they weren't pleased that you put yourself in that category.

Frank 1:03:37

Got it. My bad.

Kelsey 1:03:40

By pleased, they had to joke because they always do everything to you know, humor. Like if you have a joyful humor essence, they'll come in exactly like that.

Frank 1:03:48

That's good to know. Okay. All right.

Lauren 1:03:51

That's so funny.

Frank 1:03:52

Yeah. So wait, hold on. What else do they have to say?

Kelsey 1:03:57

Let's do it. Um, okay, so what's fascinating, uh Lauren, when they show me your path a little bit, and I don't I don't know if you've felt this before, but like Reiki was the foray, but they're actually not showing me with you as like a hands-on healing, that it actually comes through of more of a of a like a mind through the mind. Like you have a really strong mind connection, so it's more of a understanding. So you'll be able to pull messages through pretty they're showing me a pretty soon timeline. One, one and a half. So like I'm taking that as years, not months, where there's like a turning point, and you're gonna start getting like messages through from your guides, and you'll your guides will be able to communicate with other people's guides, and so it comes through as like a thought, but it's like you know it in your head. So no logic can explain. So that seems to be your path in, not so much the hands-on healing.

Frank 1:04:50

You've already done that a handful of times, and you know it too. Yeah, you've been like we've talked about on the show before, but Lauren gave me a talking to recently, just like an encouraging talking to. And she was like, I'm in lockstep with your spirit guides right now. She got Lauren is calm, she got fired up. She knew.

Lauren 1:05:09

I was, yeah, yeah. It was like, I know he needs to hear all of this, and and it's all coming out so easily that it felt like I was just joking about being in lockstep with your spirit guides, but it also felt very true. Yeah, it felt when they said were you though?

Kelsey 1:05:25

Because they think that you owned the truth for a minute. Like that's how it feels that you owned the truth, and it felt safe. It felt good to do that because it was with him. But it did. Yeah, yeah. They're showing me this opening up for you uh with people that aren't just in your circle and not just like conversations you can feel safe in. But there's gonna be, oh my, so there's a really interesting like lifeline for you there where you make this more of your life than you anticipated it's gonna be. Really? Yeah. This seems to streamline into more of like a main part of your life. And so the word guide is coming through. So they're showing me guide, they're showing me edgy. So they're showing me a clientele or like a circle of people that don't have someone for them, right? That that like it's too much in the light for some people, but you're bringing an edgier vibe to this process. And so they show me as like you, as kind of a branded as like an edgier healing guide for people. They're showing me a lot of fire. So, like a fiery person, a fiery personality, a fiery guide, fire, like not afraid to speak your truth, interwoven with like all of your ideology and beliefs around like gender, politics, these are all things that are like streaming in. So that this is this core of you is just gonna like, and then this ability comes into it. I don't know if you've explored ever coaching or coaching women, but that also looks like an avenue.

Lauren 1:06:51

That's interesting. Cause I just did this thing where um someone told me like that they went through this whole process of showing me what my gift is and like they gifted me or whatever. It was like this kind of visualization thing. And it was like putting together that my gift is like creating an environment to talk. I I help create an environment for people to talk about difficult things in a safe way. And I was like, well, that's I mean, one, that's what we're doing on our podcast, but also that's kind of what I do because of just the grief that I've experienced or challenges and stuff like that. I like getting in there to like work through I wouldn't want to be a therapist, but I like helping people with their like trauma or like kind of helping like let's clear that out or like let's get in there and like talk about it or bring it to the surface where you can heal it and I can like help you through that and help you like have ways to do that. So as I'm talking about that now, I'm like, yeah, it's kind of similar to coaching.

Frank 1:07:58

I love I love that for Lauren too, because like I think I've been waiting for a long time for Lauren's like fiery spirit to erupt, and I know it's there.

Lauren 1:08:09

I know it's there, but there's some like hesitation and I want to Yeah, it's it's like uh anytime I battle through like self-doubt or you know whatever like self-worth, it's it's kind of that who am I to whatever.

Kelsey 1:08:26

Yeah, yeah, who's anybody though? But it's cracking, it's like the cracks are there a little bit, and it feels like it's gonna break open pretty soon. Uh I just and even when you talk about that intuitive guide coach getting in, there's women that need that, and there's people that need that that don't want hands laid on them, like that's just not a comfortable place. I also think you do better through like a medium or a video medium because you can focus more on the messages you're getting. Like it seems like you get more real time instead of getting in the confusion of someone else's energy a little bit. So, like that physical separation. But when you talked about that when you were speaking about what you had been interested in or envisioning, you also there was a really strong resonance of money as a frequency, as a tool. So that seems really tied to like a value, a worth of like I should absolutely do this and I absolutely should charge people for this because that is the exchange, right? We have to exchange in order to keep the balance. So that's an equilibrium. It feels like a step out of I don't want to say out of motherhood, but like there's motherhood and then there's this fiery, emboldened, strong you that's coming out of that, that's being born out of that. But it's just a little bit like you know, it's over this next year and a half. Frank, yours is a little different, right? Like you actually love the tangible, so un unfortunately. Yeah, your stuff is. But I see through production and like music and um visual art, even an encoding of things to help people, starting as that, like it feels like you're encoding a lot of this beautiful light and energy and understanding shadows and walking through your own and like accepting your own self, but like encoding it in your work a little bit more than what you're putting on.

Frank 1:10:24

That's what I have been doing. Yeah. But I've just started that.

Steps Ahead, Trust, And Creative Encoding

Kelsey 1:10:28

Yeah, that's a big that's your path for a little bit. It's gonna evolve, but it's gonna get bigger, it's gonna shift and morph. It looks like right now it's like this swirling kind of purple uh energy ball, and then all of a sudden it's just like and it gains momentum, right? And now all of a sudden, and then you're pulling people into your sphere, and instead of someone telling you what to do, it seems like you're guiding other people, but not in a like counseling way or in a guide way, but more in an arts way, like through your language, through the language of your soul.

Frank 1:11:00

That's I mean, you're spot on to like how I feel.

Lauren 1:11:04

And stuff I've been I've been pushing you towards just for whatever reason, because I feel like that's what you're that's where you're going. Yeah. And you've been like, but for what? But but what? You know?

Frank 1:11:18

I mean, like, like I said, that's how it feels in terms of like even the color, like I've been very purple-based lately, and I don't know why. It's just that that's been resonating for me so much. And like this, you pointed it out, this like respiriting of myself, of like, wait, I was I was angsty and I was 16, and I was 17, and and that was not wrong. It's okay. And and now coming into it from I'm 40 now, coming into it from more of a not an authoritative standpoint, but like I am now in the I am now on the uh the captain's crew of the world now, you know, and and I still feel the same way. I mean, even with the show, like I want to make I want to be help this be a bridge for people to get to the next part of their lives if they have felt like down and out, you know? Yeah. And if I can collect people and filter them to Lauren, that would be like the greatest thing in the world. That's like what I would love to do.

Kelsey 1:12:14

Yeah, it really is.

Frank 1:12:14

I would like to collect edgy people and send them to my my my newly discovered edgy version of my wife.

Kelsey 1:12:21

It really, it like you said, it feels like your paths are walking alongside and they converge a little bit, but then they right, they're not, you're not, they they look really different. Two different energies and uh but they're complementary in the way that your paths are expanding. Yeah, your purple swirly seems to be getting larger, which attracts when you have that expansive energy, it starts to attract people in need of that. And I know you're you're in the captain's ship and that can be a lot of pressure, but your guides are just reminding me to speak truth to you about like all of this had to happen so you could share your truth with other people. And yeah, if you get a hare-brained idea for a project that feels totally like an anomaly, please explore that because they would really like you to explore that.

Frank 1:13:03

You hear that, Lauren? Wait, like every hour? Because I've got about a new one every hour. It's bad.

Kelsey 1:13:10

This one's been sitting with you. This is one you keep revisiting. So it's not one that's just like, okay, what kind of business could we start today? It's actually one that keeps kind of popping in your space in different ways, but the core of it's the same. So it's definitely creative, it definitely has a visual aspect. It is different though than like what you do. I don't know how else to say it, but it feels like kind of a um like an opposite. Like if you had two ideas on a like seesaw, right? It would be balancing the other half of your Seesaw. And so, yeah, they're just reminding me to tell you to explore that that keeps flowing in.

Frank 1:13:46

I'm just starting to allow music to be a part of my life again. And I have also just started doing some like visual art stuff again. And stuff that I would have normally classified as a waste of time and like silly, especially in a time in a period of time when like I'm like, where's where's the payday coming? Because you know, we're we're we're trying to move and all that stuff, but I'm like, I also really feel drawn to do this.

Kelsey 1:14:11

So yeah, I mean, spot on have the full picture right now, but it's come it's coming soon. It you won't have the full picture right now. Like, you know, sometimes people see visions of the future and they get a full picture and they just know where they're heading. And sometimes they see one step and it's just completely blank until they take the next step. Yours seems to be like a settled. It really, I know we've talked about your location, but it does feel tied to location a bit, where once you're in an energy of exploration and you're settled, then you will get the bigger steps. You'll get those 10 steps ahead of you. Because your path needs to lead you to like that space, and then the 10 steps are gonna show up because you can't see the 10 steps from where you are right now because they don't exist in your in your periphery, like in your circle.

Frank 1:14:58

Yeah, I've been told that too. It's so frustrating. I love I love this. I I put I put it on my water bottle. It's the two of swords, but more than anything, it's just a blindfold. I'm like, I just gotta trust the process here.

Kelsey 1:15:12

Yeah, it's they're they're like they're they're saying, like, jump and we're gonna catch you. And they made a joke. They're like, not the catch you in our arms, but like in a big, like, black parachute where you like bounce up and down for a while and they like are gonna make it fun. Like they want to ensure that it's gonna be fun and it's gonna be a bit of a wild ride, but it's gonna be fun. It's not gonna be typical or linear or like prescribed. It's gonna look a little bit, a little bit wild for you guys.

Frank 1:15:37

That makes sense because anything that's been typical or linear or prescribed so far has not panned out. Not so I'm I'm in it for I'm in it for the ride.

Kelsey 1:15:46

Anyways, they're just a few things they wanted me to pull through for you guys.

Frank 1:15:48

And that's so helpful. Thank you so much.

Kelsey 1:15:50

Wow, that's so cool.

Frank 1:15:52

Yeah. That's like and also like for me uh particularly, like I feel like stuff I needed to hear right now. Yeah. This is like stuff that we were talking about even today.

Lauren 1:16:03

Yeah.

Kelsey 1:16:03

I always say, like, sometimes the messages that come through don't have to be this profound, like, hey, your life is gonna, you know, it doesn't always feel that way. Sometimes it's just the things that are going on in the moment. We just need reassurance. We need to know that they are in tune with us and that they are seeing our life play out and helping guide us as we create our own lives. Because ultimately we're creating, right? We're creating our lives, but we have guidance.

Frank 1:16:25

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Okay, let me ask you one more question. Of all the things you did during your like developmental phase of getting to this this point in your life where you're now this incredibly comfortable, incredibly intuitive person. And I know it's a journey, I'm not saying you're done, but the to get to the point that you're at now, what was the like one thing that if you could pull one thing that anybody could do that it's like just the thing they can they should start doing now to address any like discomforts that they have? I did not ask that correctly. What am I asking? What am I just?

Daily Rituals And Kelsey’s New Course

Kelsey 1:16:59

I don't know. It feels aligned. I'm gonna tell you why. Because I just okay, I know this is gonna sound like a plug, but I think it is happening at the right time. I just announced I'm launching a course next week on embodied intuition of daily rituals for awakening, intuitive living. And it's just like a little five-day mini course, easy, you know, low, whatever. But the reason I did it is for that exact reason is because that is what I want to share with people is like what I would do if I could do anything. And it's really about dimming the noise of what people are telling you, of any inputs. Like when I went through all of this, I stopped drinking, I stopped doing psychedelics, I stopped drinking coffee. Like my life is I stopped watching TV. I'm very like about what goes in my system, right? I it all just went away. I'm not, I love to dance and I love festivals and I love to still go out and have a good time. But I yeah, I, anyways, those daily rituals for me changed and it felt like I didn't have a guidance system. So I would just really tell people to like tune in to their daily listening. Figure out through channeled writing, through journaling, through any easy means, but like weave it in in really low impact ways. Because as parents, as for me as a mom, or just as a neurodivergent person, anything that required me to have a 20, 30, 50 minute dedicated ritual was painful and horrible and it never stuck. And I truly just like it sent me back in the fact that I felt guilt and shame and second-guessed myself for not being able to, yeah, to take that time and just like dedicate it. I love that you're doing that.

Frank 1:18:43

No, it's amazing. So, well, while we're at it, why don't you give everybody else your your your other plug so they know where to find you and see what other work you're doing?

Kelsey 1:18:49

Yeah. Yeah, you can find me on all the places under the same handle. So Kelsey Anderson Intuitive. I am on Instagram, Blue Sky Threads. I run a substack called Soul Threads, and I have a podcast on Spotify and Apple called Soul Threads. And you can also visit my website, Kelseyandersonintuitive.com, and that's where you can find me. And I'll be, yeah, having that course come out next week for anyone who wants daily rituals for intuitive living.

Frank 1:19:17

What fantastic timing. That's awesome. Yeah, cool.

Lauren 1:19:21

You know, there's no coincidences.

Kelsey 1:19:24

No coincidence. Here we are having a good old time.

Frank 1:19:27

Thank you so much, Kelsey.

Kelsey 1:19:29

Thank you for making it a really fun space. Yay! Thanks, Kelsey.

Frank 1:19:33

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