18. Total Eclipse Insights: Mastering Creative Flow With Wonder, Awe and Inner Child Magic

This week, join me as we bask in the awe of a total solar eclipse and uncover the secrets to mastering creative flow. In this episode, I share my personal experience of witnessing the April 8th total solar eclipse from the path of totality and the profound insights it sparked about creativity, joy, and the inner child. We kick things off with a shared intention to have a deep conversation around the concepts of presence, appreciation, and joy, and to critically look at our own lives to identify ways we can allow space for more of this to increase our creative flow. We then dive into a tarot card pull from the Muse Tarot deck by Chris-Anne, providing perfectly precise discussion points for us to consider as we open up the episode. We'll delve into the magic of wonder and awe, exploring how tapping into these states can fuel our artistic endeavors and lead to transformative growth.  This episode tackles many topics, from navigating creative blocks, to what happens when you're suspended in a flow state collectively as a group, to real-life strategies we can use to embrace the pure joy of creation. So grab your bevvie of choice, pop on your walking shoes or tackle that load of laundry and join me for a heartfelt exploration of creativity, inspiration, and the wonders of the universe. 

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This is Soul Therapy. I'm Jen Hully, your host, professional photographer, and creativity coach, obsessed with empowering others to build creatively fulfilling lives. This week we're talking about presence, appreciation, and your inner child as critical elements for creativity. And we're also going to talk about that wicked solar eclipse that just happened this week. I am so excited to be back, first of all, before we dive into talking about anything. It's been a hot minute since we've had an episode. It's been like a month, and it's one of those things where it was like, I just needed to take a week off, and then that week became two weeks, and then it became three weeks, and then it became four weeks, and you know, the universe was like putting things in front of me that were asking me to pause, like illness, and I was not pausing, and then there was more illness. My kid got sick, and then there was other stuff, and then there was vacation and taking time off. But what was supposed to be a week off ended up being a month. But I I think, you know, like all things, uh, things happened with intention, right? They happen with a purpose, and we can fight against it, like I did, where I was like, oh, I gotta be podcasting. I was like, really? Do I need to be podcasting every week? No. Do I enjoy doing it? Yes. And that's why we're back again this week. But all this to say that um the more time I was, the more time that was between me and podcasting, like the more weeks that I had off, the more detached I felt from it, where I was like, I don't have any ideas. And suddenly I felt like my brain was this like vacant space of tumbleweeds. Now, like I was sick and there was stuff going on at home that was really consuming a lot of my energy and attention. And I think that played into it as well. But um, it's just one of those things where it's like I had to take space and pause, and I wanted to come back when I had like I had been moved by something to say something. I don't want this to just take up space, you know? And what happened was I was on vacation last week and I came back on Sunday and we got home, and the next day was the solar eclipse. And I don't know where you live because I don't know who it is that's listening. I know lots of you, um, and I know where some of you are from, but where I live, we were on the path of totality. And they said the last time this happened was like the 70s, and it's a once-in-a-lifetime thing. Like, I didn't know what to expect. Um, I witnessed a lot of we'll get into it, but a lot of really interesting stuff online, like fear-mongering about it, and I didn't know what to expect going into it, and the experience was just so much more than I could have imagined. And I feel like it was so therapeutic and healing for society as a whole, but there's such strong links between it and our creative journey, and I want to talk about that today. I want to talk about that link between the states of like awe and wonder and tapping into your inner child and what living through our senses does to our creativity. And as always, I pulled a card before I started recording. And, you know, I set the intention. I said, this is what I want to talk about today. And these are the messages that I want to bring out and the conversations I want to have and the table I want to set. And so I said, what card would um will guide and ground this conversation? And I pulled the Six of Cups, which like I was just like, okay, cool. It's the inner child card, it's about nostalgia and happy memories and like yearning for states from the past. And in my deck that I have, which I've mentioned before, but I'll mention again, is the Muse Tarot deck by Chris Ann. And this is called the Six of Emotions, but it's, you know, it is the Six of Cups. That's the equivalent. And there's a picture of a woman, and she's looking kind of forlorn, and she's holding on to like it looks like a mirror to me. And like what's in the mirror is this small child who's like sitting on a stack of suitcases with her arms out, like like she's playing airplane, and she's wearing like old aviator glasses and a hat, like the old timey air pilot setup. And there's a woman sitting on the beach, and I'm like, this is just like so funny because I've just been on the beach for a week. I was in Jamaica. I've been thinking a lot about inner child. I've had this experience with the solar eclipse, which has brought all these things to the forefront of my awareness. And this card is just asking us to ground into our inner child and things that we have such fond and happy memories of as a child, and how that really is the key that unlocks the door to not just creativity, but creating with a soul-led purpose. And when we create with a soulful, soul-led purpose, that is when we do the work or we create the art that fills our bucket, that has meaning, that has purpose and impact. It's not about doing the work that gets all the likes on Instagram or the work that is received well by, you know, what does well even mean? But I'll say the work that gets received with a lot of comments. It's because we know, before I go into that, we know that the photos we take or the art that we make that we love doesn't necessarily correlate with what happens on the algorithm because we can't control the algorithm. And the algorithm, this is a whole other episode, but if you are gauging how successful your art and your photos are based on what feedback you get from this external mechanism that is always shape-shifting and doesn't have your best interest at heart, then we gotta check that, right? We gotta check that. But we're talking about creating work that makes you feel something. And when I say feel something, I mean joy, pride, self-esteem, excitement, like those pictures that you take, or maybe you're not a photographer, you're a painter, whatever, the things that you make where you look at that, you're like, holy fuck yes! Like, yes, yes, yes, because that is the awe, the wonder, the excitement of the inner child. Now, we talked last week about the artist's way and Julia Cameron's book, and some of that will still come into this episode where because Julia Cameron, and she's not the only one that believes this, but I'm going to reference her because she's the most recent um, you know, piece of literature or uh outside source that I've read or you know connected with that references this, but her belief is like your inner artist is your inner child. And I would agree with that because what is an inner artist? An artist is something that creates art, right? That creates something tangible, visible, that tells a story, that taps into emotion, that has like a desire to express something or explore or play. And we don't do that intuitively as an adult, we do that as a child. And so if you want to get into a space where you're creating that work that speaks to you and fulfills you, and we do need to be creating work. We do need to be taking these photos and making these pieces that speak to us and do fill our bucket, because otherwise it just becomes another task that we're doing on our list. And then we don't do it, and then it becomes like the gym membership that we have that we don't use, and we're like, oh, I should run, but I don't like running, or I should go to the treadmill or whatever, right? And let's just tie this all in to a story that makes sense because I could see myself going down like so many different pathways. But the eclipse. Okay, so I've come home, spent a week in Jamaica, just resting, doing nothing, literally sitting on my butt on different surfaces. Sitting on a chair on a beach, sitting on a chair in a restaurant, sitting on a chair at the pool. Like my questions that I had to solve every day was like, what surface do I want to sit on? But I came home from that. And you always get a lot of um clarity when you're away, I find, when you just sort of unplug from the emails and grocery shopping and things like that. And so stuff was kind of swirling around in my mind, and the the eclipse came, right? It's like, oh okay, the eclipse is tomorrow, gotta go see it. Um and I didn't know what to expect, okay? I didn't know what to expect. I'm heavily into like astrology, energetics, spirituality, things like that. And so, like, when I'm, you know, my algorithm knows that. When I'm on social media, it just feeds me more of what I want to see. And like, I was getting everybody's opinion of what the eclipse meant. Don't manifest, don't set goals, don't do this, don't look at the sun, don't go outside, don't open your curtains. And it's it just overwhelmingly became this story of don't, don't, don't fear, fear, fear. And it was really interesting to see how much um negativity and fear-mongering existed around this event. And like, yes, you do have to take safety precautions. No, you don't stare at the sun without eye protection. Um, but you don't have to hide, you don't have to go inside your home, you don't have to stock up on water, you don't have to, you know, there was all this stuff swirling around, whether it was like traditional media or organized media, meaning like bigger companies, or whether it was like smaller time creators producing stuff that got like a lot of views, but what wasn't really created from a space of love or taking care of people, and it wasn't created from a space of um nurturing a a feeling of safety, right? Because when we feel safe, then we feel free to explore. And when we explore, we play, and then we experience things on a completely different level. So that's the backstory that I was like, what's gonna happen? Did part of me be like, uh, is the power grid gonna go down? I was like, maybe, I don't know. Like I am like pretty neutral to most scenarios. I try not to jump on a bandwagon on either or I kind of just like to take in all the possibilities of what people have said and be like, well, let's see what happens. Um, and but no, I didn't expect anything terrible to happen, right? But I didn't expect anything mind-bending to happen. I thought, oh, we're just gonna go outside. We're gonna watch this happen and it's gonna be really, really cool and whatever. And it was really, really cool. It was awesome. And we were up on the roof of um a building that my mom lives in because, like I said, we were in the path of totality and where this building is situated, like we could go way up to the rooftop and get like a really, really good view. It was super cloudy all day, and I was like, well, this isn't gonna happen. Like, what are like what you know, all this hoop law for nothing, and everybody's congregating, and there's people in the park, you can see them lining up. There's just like people everywhere. But the sky did open, uh, and it opened like just before, just as it started to happen, like when it started to get to like maybe like 25% um coverage. I don't know what the technical term is. But so I watched it. We had our little glasses and we watched it, and it was neat to watch as it was covering up, and then at the point where it gets to like totality, when it is completely covered, then it's safe to remove your glasses and you can look at the at the eclipse. And it was like like I'm getting goosebumps as I say this. It was like nothing I have ever seen in my entire life. I have zero words for it. Zero words for it. It was I had goosebumps. You could hear so imagine I'm up like at least like 13, 14 floors from the ground. I'm up at the top. There's people in the park below us. All you can hear is hordes of people cheering. And it's like this swell of joy, like not screaming like terror, like just it felt like a balloon, if I could describe the sound. It felt like a balloon of like magic and just sheer awe at what was happening in in front of us, what was unfolding and you know, what Mother Nature had on display for us that day. This is so funny. My screensaver just popped up on my on my um computer as I'm recording this and showed me a picture of it. Like I think it's trying to keep me on track and be like, remember how powerful this was. And it was like, it was uh like three minutes, maybe or three and a half minutes. I don't remember the actual time, but it was gone in an instant. And it really one thing it showed me that, like, yes, time is relative. Um, because it was three minutes, it felt like 10 seconds. But it also felt like time stood still because I cannot describe it because the words don't do it justice, but it was like viewing something that you had never seen before. You had no frame of reference for what it was going to look like. It was so much more powerful visually, but also energetically. But then you were circled or encircled with this like energy, collective energy from everybody that was there. Because there were so many people on the patio, like on the roof, on the streets, everywhere. And you could hear, like I said, this energy rising of people cheering and reacting to what was going on. That it was like I found myself really emotional. Like my eyes were welling up, and I was like, oh my God, I'm like gonna start weeping. And like the last time I was like weeping at something like this was during the um meteor shower we had. It was beautiful. I've never seen a meteor shower like this. And I feel like I weep a lot about space because I watched the uh James Webb, James Webb telescope documentary on Netflix where they show you these like super clear pictures of like the birth of universes. Again, weeping like a baby. I don't know why. Something happens with space with me, where I'm just I think it connects with like a core part of myself that's like this is where you originate from. This because we all come from this energy out there, and it hits you on a level that cognitively you cannot describe, and it's just this emotional reaction. So the whole event was amazing, and I was just like, I am buzzing. I was like, I feel fan fucking tastic because I liken it to like when I went to see Joseph in the Amazing Technical or Dream Code. It's this collective experience of being in a space with people who are all going through the same emotions and receiving the same sensory input and having the same reaction. It does something, like it almost creates this like bubble of energy that you're just sitting in. And it's such a moving experience. I can't, I like I'm stuck, like I'm often not caught for words, but I am right now. But we'll put a stick of pin in this and I'll come back to it. But what I wanted to say about this on like a further level was that like it happens, it's done. I'm like, okay, let's go home like an hour, two hours later when the road's cleared up and I could actually get out of the building. We drive home. And then I spent the next like two days, because it's been two days. I've spent the next two days like looking at videos online. And I'm looking at videos of people, not just videos, but photos of family, friends, strangers, like people I've never met, people in my community. I'm looking at them, looking at the eclipse with their glasses on, right? And I there is what struck me is every single person's face, the energy in their face was of this inner child, like beaming. You know, when a kid witnesses something for the first time and they're like, oh my God, and every single person had that look on their face collectively, like there's these huge groups of people, and everyone has this sense of like pure joy, pure curiosity, pure wonder, and uh just an energy of like lightness about them. And we don't often see that on the faces of adults because we are bogged down with shit from life, bills, relationships, rules, expectations, obligations, fears, worries, anxieties, future plans, things like that. But there was this moment in time where everybody that was out there was like relieved of that and lifted of that. And I don't mean relieved like the problems went away, but it was removed from their current experience. And I think everybody was sort of propelled into this state of like pure embodiment of being completely them right there in their space with what they are interacting with. And that is like mindfulness, right? That is mindfulness, that is presence, and that is where that bliss state comes from in meditation and other things, flow, right? When you're so immersed in what's happening that you're just sort of flooded with this feeling of joy. And that's hard to tap into when we're distracted or when we're having looping thoughts or we're, you know, fearful of something, or we're obsessing or planning, or you know, anything, or just even like replaying stuff from throughout the day. It's why we practice meditation, it's why we practice mindfulness and is to get into that state. But everyone was like collectively thrown into this space. And the photos are so powerful because you can see it when you look at it. And when I would look at these photos of people that I know, friends, family, like people I don't know in my community, people in other countries going through the same experience collectively. I like can't help but wonder what that does in terms of like the energetic experience of the collective. Because, like I said, like life is heavy if you're an adult and it has been so heavy for the last few years. I feel like we needed this reminder that there's so much magic and so much going on around us that we're not aware of. That is just if you really consider how mind-bending it is that we're even here on Earth, it kind of dials down the frustrations of things like, I'm trying to send a text, why is it not going? Oh my God, it's taking so long. Like, because it's going to space. Like your message is going to space way out there. Like it puts things in perspective. So I feel like what happened was everybody had this really raw moment of connecting with themselves in the present moment, also connecting with others collectively and connecting with the energy of the earth and the universe. And it was just like, holy fucking shiz. I said that probably 50 times in the last like for 24 hours. I just kept saying, holy fucking shiz, because I was like, what was that? But the other thing that I noticed when I look back and I watch these videos, yes, everyone's in this joyful state of being like a child and being like, oh my god. Like I think of my kid when he sees a rainbow up here. We were when we were in Jamaica, there were rainbows all over the floor because of the way the um the glass was. Like when you would walk along different uh walkways, they sort of like not a fence, but you know what I mean? Like the side, the edging. I guess it would be like a fence. I don't know what you call that. Edging of these walkways were glass and the stairways were glass, and they would put rainbows in places you wouldn't expect them. And he would just light up his face. It was like I had given him the secrets of life. Like he was just like, oh my god, look at this. This is amazing. And that's what we all got to be for three minutes, you know, and it's if we think about our inner child being directly related to our creative self, it's because we're able to create and children are able to create because they can tap into that pure sense of awe and appreciation for the rainbow that's in front of them, the drops of water on the leaves, the way the shadows are dancing on the wall. These are all the things that we tune out as adults because, like I said, we go about our gotta do this, gotta go to work, gotta pay bills, gotta call with this person, gotta email the doctor, gotta whatever, gotta gotta gotta. And we stop paying attention to these tiny little wonders that we experience through our senses more naturally as a child. And so as an adult, it took this like major sensory experience of literally a huge eclipse for us to sort of be pulled into that energy. And the other thing I noticed about it was everybody was looking up. I know you're like duh, like it was an eclipse, it was in the sky. Obviously, everybody's looking up. But I mean, like metaphorically, we all put our phones down and looked up. And we threw ourselves and through our cognitive experience from out of our phones and out of our screens and out into the real world, out into the 3D, and had that immediate connection with our surroundings. We are, and I'm not saying everybody put their phone down, but most people that were using their phones during that minute were taking a video or taking a photo. I doubt, and maybe there was an emergency, somebody was like calling somebody, but I doubt people were like scrolling on TikTok because they were all like, I don't want to miss this. And we put so much into our screens, we put so much energy and importance and power into our phones. Our entire lives, we think, are in our phones, really. How many people have you heard say, like, oh my god, I don't know what I would do if I lost my phone? Oh my god, I wouldn't be able to cope, blah, blah, blah. Right? Like, we think our money's in there, we think our memories are in there, we think our family and our love and our connections are in there, we think the things that are entertaining and interesting are in our phone, and we spend so much time glued to our phones because we're living. Through our phones. We've literally created life or have attached ourselves to a life that we think exists in this screen. And during this moment, we put our screens down and we connected with the life that's actually happening around us. And that is not nothing. That is not nothing. I think that is the core of satisfaction and happiness and presence and appreciation is tapping into the moment. I'm like ready to lie. I feel like I'm on my soapbox, but like tapping into the moment right now where you are physically, not being like, oh, what's this woman's better color palette? Like, is she a true winter? Or like I do this all the time. I'm like, why, why do I care if this woman's a true winter or a dark winter or whatever, or bright winter, whatever it's called? Right now, this is what's happening in front of me. And it just serves as such a reminder that we can tap into that feeling. We can tap into that space of presence, that excitement, that joy. We can tap into that inspiration, but it requires that we look up, look up and look around and engage with the world that's in front of us. And that is what making art is. That is what photography is in essence. We are interacting with our surroundings. Yes, to be a photographer, you need to know technical settings. You need to know what buttons to push. You need to know what to do if like a light starts blinking on your camera. But most of all, you need to know how to be present in your environment. You need to know how to be aware of what's going on around you at like a micro level and a macro level. You need to be attuned to what you appreciate and what elicits that sense of wonder, awe, and just magnificence for you as a like a receiver or a viewer. You need to know who you are and where you are and how you're being affected by your surroundings. And you can take the eclipse as an example and as a way to sort of kickstart you into that, or you can choose to do it in your day today. And I believe that this experience was like I texted my friend, I was like, I feel like we all just got like a massive, massive healing, even if we didn't know it. Because I think that little experience of joy and wonder and those really pure, authentic, positive, love-based emotions, I think they all seeped into our brain, into our subconscious in a way that's going to help us and move us forward, maybe in ways that we're not aware of. But like I said, it's something you can tap into every day, even if you didn't live where the path of totality was, or if it was cloudy, it doesn't mean that you can't tap into that sense of joy and that sense of wonder. And when we think of this card, the Six of Cups, right, which is all about finding joy and reminiscing and connecting with the things that used to put that sparkle in your eye as a kid and bringing more of that into your life. And I hear so, so, so many times from grown-ups, I'm including myself. I know I'm a grown-up. I'm just saying grown-ups because I've also worked with children, but I hear so many times from grown-ups, I don't even know what that is. I don't even know what I like. I don't even know what brings me joy. I don't even know what I appreciate because we're so numbed out and we're so disconnected, not only from our surroundings and our environment and our experiences, but we are so disconnected from ourselves. And the only way that you can reconnect that is by committing to nurturing a relationship with yourself, with your true self, your beliefs, the things you appreciate, your hobbies, habits, thoughts, committing to building and nurturing a relationship with who that is when everything else is stripped away, who you are in exclusion to everybody else, right? Like not who you are in relationship to your family or who you are in relationship to your work. It's just who you are at your core. And I guarantee you, who you were as a child has something to do with it. It has something to do with it. And so, yes, we have to nurture this relationship with ourselves. We have to get to know ourselves. We have to work on things like presence and appreciation, play, fun, joy. But we have to work on giving ourselves permission to experience and absorb those things. That is the biggest hurdle I find as we age is allowing ourselves to experience it. We all know and understand, yeah, play is great, rest is great, but giving ourselves permission to do the things that will help us build our relationship with ourselves, with our life, with our surroundings, so that we can then go and create the art and take the photos that feel like an authentically connected version of us or an authentic expression of us. And I know that this is not easy because I live this every single day. Like I was a child once. I was a teenager, I was an early adult. I am now a mom, a single mom of a boy who is almost five. I'm an entrepreneur, I'm balancing a lot of stuff. There's a lot of pressure on me at different points of the day, often all at once. And it's so easy to push those things off. And it's so easy to allow logistics and things that I want to say excuses, but I don't like the feeling or the like the connotation that's attached to excuses because excuses sounds like um you're not trying. And I I want to say more that I'm aware of and I experience the blocks that we have as adults, right? And I know what it's like to use these tangible, logical things that we're facing as barriers to taking time for ourselves, taking time to rest, taking time to create, taking time to play, taking time to learn. And we just we get on that, I call it the conveyor belt of life. And we just do the things that we think we're supposed to do to help us be successful and be happy. But there's always this part of ourselves that's feeling unfed and feeling not nurtured. And how you do life is how you do art, right? And so if you're frazzled and exhausted and you feel pulled in a million directions and just completely fucking drained in your life, I guarantee you that's how you feel in your art and your photography. Because if you were doing one thing in one part of your life, it would ripple out to the others. So take this maybe as an opportunity or a prompt to do some self-reflection and ask yourself, like, how tapped into presence, appreciation, and joy are you? And how connected do you feel to your inner child? And how does your inner child and that sense of curiosity and play show up in the work that you create? I see so often creatives, photographers going down this path of art making, learning photography because it's a soul calling, because they want to feel those things. They want to feel, like I said, that awe, that wonder, that spark, that joy. That's what pulls them into their art making and their photography. And then their adult brain gets in the way and is like, learn the logistics, master the technicals, watch this YouTube tutorial, you know, get this book, buy this gear, and we squeeze the life out of it. We squeeze the play and the joy and just the awe of authentic and raw creation. We squeeze that out of it because we apply this streamlined performance-based approach to our art making. And then we make shit that we don't like or we don't feel anything, but we look at it and we like, well, it's technically correct, but uh why is it not doing it for me? And then Q existential crisis, Q feelings of like, I'm not a good artist, maybe this isn't meant for me. Why do I even bother? Like, if I haven't figured it out yet, why, you know, what's the point? All that inner chatter comes up. And it's not because you're not good at what you do. It's not because you can't take photos and you can't make art. You can. I just guarantee that within your stream of creative flow, there's a rock, and you need to learn to move your flow around that rock or work with it and get things going again and tap into that authentic state that is going to help put you on the path of creating the kind of photos, memories, art, legacy that you're just you're calling. You know what I'm talking about. If you're listening still this far, you know what I'm talking about because you feel it. You may not be able to wrap words around it, but you feel it and you're like, yeah, that's what I'm looking for. And it is possible. It's 100% possible. You can start to feel not just good, but fucking amazing about the work that you're making and not feel frantic about it, and not feel stressed, and not feel like I have to do more and more and more. It can be something that rolls out seamlessly, effortlessly, energetically, easy and naturally, but you've got to do a bit of work to get there. But I promise you, it's not adult work, it's child work and it's fun. And that's what creativity coaching is about, right? We look at you as a creative source, this ball of creative energy, this flow potential, and we work on activating that. We work on looking at where the chords are connected, where they're disconnected, what things need to be put into place and established. And we start to build a program of support that's going to safely and gently and creatively nurture you to confidently start creating what it is that you want to create. So if you find yourself dissatisfied with the work that you're making or not making work at all, or you're just like you know something's off, reach out, send me an email. You can get me at contact at jenniferhully.com and we'll chat about it. I'll tell you all about what creativity coaching looks like, and we'll go from there. And anything else that I want to talk to you about, there's a I got a new freebie coming soon. I've just put on the final touches of it, and it is all about nurturing presence and appreciation, awe wonder, but also creating. It's a really, really cool meditation, walking meditation for mindful photography. And that's all I'm gonna say about it because I want to talk about it in the next episode. I want to dive deep into like how to use this walking meditation track so that you have almost like an audio guide to go with it when you download it. Like I said, it's totally free and it's designed to help you tap into presence, tap into appreciation, tap into joy, awe, wonder, and guide you through photography as a creative process and a creative practice to just get the wheels going again on your creativity and your making. All right. That's all I've got for you this week. Uh, if you've enjoyed this episode or you're enjoying any of them, and I know you are because I see my stats on my podcast platform. I see what you're downloading, I see what you're listening to. Um, take a few minutes and just share it with somebody that you love. Somebody that you a somebody. Say share it with somebody that you love, somebody who you want to help, somebody who is creative like you and is maybe experiencing some blocks to their flow or is feeling out of balance when it comes to adult living and creative living. And send them this episode or send them any other episode that was useful for them, you know, useful for you. Share it, put it on social media, get out there, get the word out there so that you're not just having these revelations and these aha moments and the change, but we're spreading it to other people because the more people that can tap into this creative flow, and the more people that can tap into this energy of just joy and appreciation, think of what that does collectively for all of us. It has a ripple effect, right? When we feel better, we do better, and the people we interact with do better. So sharing is caring, pass it on, and I'll talk to you next week. Have a great one.