Where did Halloween come from? And what are you dressing up as this year? Join us as we explore the origins of Halloween (and Christmas), talk about Halloweens past, and rabbit hole our way to...first person shooter games?
I am very excited to be making some apple crumb cake soon because I love apple crumb cake. More so the crumb cake than the apple, but um, you still need the apple for
Tana:at least part of it. Yeah.
Malcolm:You need a moderate amount of apple. Like 1 50th of the apple crumb cake can be apple. The other 49 50ths can be crumb.
Tana:So we have a great recipe from my mom. Hi, Mom! And, uh, we always double the crumb part, because it's just like, that's the best part. It is. So, probably not the healthiest option, but we gotta find something to do with all these apples we picked last weekend. Yeah,
Malcolm:apple is just the, uh, making sure that the crumb has a little more flavor to it. The apple is seasoning for the crumb cake.
Tana:Yes, that's true. It should be called crumb cake with apple seasoning. Yes. Yeah. I'm definitely, oh man, I love fall so much.
Malcolm:I love Halloween.
Tana:Okay, explain to me why you love Halloween. It's just fun. Okay, I mean that's fair.
Malcolm:Um, I don't know. I think it's just, it's one of those, it's one of those holidays where it doesn't feel like very attached to anything. It feels like it's just, it's just Halloween. Like, it's just a fun time of year. Like, it's during fall, so it's nice. Um, and, I mean, I've been using it for the past few years as an excuse to throw a Halloween party every year. So, I don't know, it's just, Halloween's just fun. Like, I like the decorations a lot more than, like, Christmas decorations. I... Nope, I disagree with you there. I'm not a huge person for, like, Halloween movies and TV shows, but a lot of video game Halloween events are pretty cool. So, yeah, it's just fun. I just like all the horror aspect to it, even though I'm not a big horror movie person.
Tana:Yeah, um, I am definitely not either. Um... But I enjoy Halloween. It's not my favorite holiday. I know a lot of people who are like, this is like that. Um, I remember that was the mom on Modern Family. That was her, like, it was her holiday and our neighbors. really get into Halloween every year and they have so many people in their family that like, they had a full on Avengers, you know, like one year and they had like Jedi. Yeah, they had a whole bunch of Jedi. Um, and so I enjoy watching what they decide to do every year. Yeah. You know, um, it's super fun.
Malcolm:Do you know what, uh, Shelby and I are going as? No, I don't. Oh, I can't remember what you, I mean obviously you know Nightmare Before Christmas. Yes. Do you remember, I'm going as Jack Skellington. Okay. And I forget what the, the woman's, like, Frankenstein's name is.
Tana:Dang, what is her name? That's gonna bug me. Sally. Sally, that's it, yeah. That's, that's perfect.
Malcolm:So, um... Yeah, we're gonna like You're gonna get like face paint and stuff? Yeah, face paint, I'm gonna dye my hair white, uh, I might shave, we'll see.
Tana:Do you remember when your dad painted you up to be Darth Maul? Yeah. That was I mean he didn't He did a good job. He did a good job regardless, but he especially did a good job given like, the crappy stuff he was working with, like it was not high quality. I
Malcolm:felt Total badass as a six year old as well. Yeah. Being dark mall like I was like, oh yeah, I'm into this. Oh
Tana:yeah, you were, you were totally, I literally liked this is, oh, what's the, is it Steve? Is Steve the Minecraft? Steve?
Malcolm:Yeah. No, that's not that Steve. Took a cardboard box and, uh, pixelated it. Yeah. Like we just drew all the pixels out and made it and colored it to look like Steve's head from Minecraft. Yeah. Yeah.
Tana:And, uh, June, our puggle went as a Pugkin Spice Latte. Oh, yeah. We put a cardboard sleeve around her. Put a little Starbucks lid on her head. Um... I think that is like... Depending on how these air, this is like the third time we've talked about pumpkin spice lattes. Yes.
Malcolm:Uh, I went as Obi Wan Kenobi one year because I had like the brown Jedi robe. Oh, yeah. And I had, uh, it was technically Anakin's lightsaber, but...
Tana:You were carrying on the tradition because, uh, my brother and I went, your uncle Jason and I went as, uh, stormtroopers. That's awesome. When we were little. I don't know why... And mom was, uh, Princess Leia. Really? I want to see that. So we were like guarding her like we were, you know, that's
Malcolm:funny. Yeah She should dress
Tana:up as Darth Vader. Actually, you know what? I think she was Darth Vader now that I think about it. That's great. Cause I remember a Darth Vader mask and now I can't remember. I think she was Darth Vader. And we were stormtroopers. She's going to be mad at me for not remembering. That tracks. Sorry, mom, mom. No, she's a lovely woman. We're just poking fun.
Malcolm:She, uh, I remember her teaching me Imperial March on the piano, though. Oh, yeah, I do. I remember that. Yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah. I was like, of course, you would
Tana:know that song when I was, well, I mean, considering how much your uncle is obsessed with Star Wars. Yeah. Oh, of course. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, uh, another year I went as like a punk rock girl music. So yeah, right. Yeah. I went as like a punk rock girl kind of thing. Like very bright fluorescent stuff. And I think I went as Madonna one year. Interesting. But not like, yeah. Any of the more extreme, you know, not like pointy bra cup Madonna
Malcolm:Glad that image remained out of my head. Yeah
Tana:Really? Honestly besides those I really can't remember what I went as for other
Malcolm:years. I'm actually really excited to Jack Skellington Cuz I love his suit Oh, it's such a cool suit. I just, I, I told Shelby, I'm like, you, what's this, once you buy this for me, Halloween's not the only day I'm going to be wearing this suit.
Tana:Anytime you have to get dressed up. You'll show up at weddings wearing this.
Malcolm:No, I show up to funerals wearing this. Funerals, right,
Tana:yeah. It's more appropriate. Oh my gosh.
Malcolm:Yeah. Depending on whose funeral, I actually would because they'd probably love it.
Tana:But yeah, I guess it would depend on, yeah. Yeah. So, um. I was curious with Halloween coming up. I was kind of curious about, like, the origins of Halloween. And so I looked up some stuff. It's interesting. Uh, I actually found some stuff via the Library of Congress, so it feels like it's pretty solid information.
Malcolm:It feels weird that the Library of Congress would have information about the origins of
Tana:Halloween. Well, a lot of, it links to a lot of, like, articles and stuff that were published. That kind of give that history, um, but anyway, just like many, many holidays, uh, that we celebrate as Americans, it is taken from a pagan religious celebration called Samhain, which is interesting because it's spelled like Samhain, but it's, it's, it's, uh, I guess in, um, Gaelic, it's pronounced Sa win, Sa win. Okay, so it was a pagan religious celebration to welcome the harvest at the end of summer when people would light bonfires and wear costumes to ward off ghosts. It also was the celebration It was a time when they recognized the, um, they felt like the ghosts of the dead were returning to Earth and that the boundary between the worlds of the living and the dead became blurred. Yeah. And so the tradition of wearing scary costumes actually Is to ward off. Yeah. Yeah. And to also establish, like, I'm not a ghost.
Malcolm:Um, that's also why they put pumpkins out front. I'm pretty sure it's to, as like, guards basically for people's
Tana:houses. You know what? I did read something on that. I'll have to see if I can find it. But then, so, Halloween, as we know, is October 31st. And then November 1st is All Saints Day. Have you ever heard of All Saints Day? Is it about all the saints? Kind of, yeah. It's, it's uh... Including Saint Nick? Actually, yes. Oh, cool. It's a religious holiday to honor all the saints, which Pope Gregory III designated. So it's like the, so Halloween was designated like All Hallows Eve, which is the precursor to the word Halloween. Yes. And then All Saints Day was, uh, the next day. So, it's interesting, like... So it's Hell's Day versus Heaven's Day? Kinda, yeah, I guess, yeah. So this thing, I thought this was interesting. This is the pumpkin one. The tradition of carving jack o lanterns originated in Ireland using turnips. It was allegedly, so we don't know for sure, based on a legend about a man named Stingy Jack who repeatedly trapped the devil and only let him go on the condition that Jack would never go to hell. But when Jack died he learned that heaven did not want his soul either, so he was forced to wander the earth as a ghost for eternity. The devil gave Jack a burning lump of coal and a carved out turnip to light his way. Locals eventually began carving scary faces into their own turnips to frighten away evil spirits. So I mean kind of what you said. So that's why it's
Malcolm:called a jack o lantern? Yes,
Tana:that is why it's called a jack o lantern. Cool. I find that stuff so fascinating when you find out what... You know, why things were named that way. Um, but, anyway. Especially
Malcolm:when there are things that I don't believe. Like, I mean, I guess people could have still believed that he did, that all that stuff happened, just that it didn't actually happen, he just kind of died, but, and that's it. Hmm. But.
Tana:This is so... And the colors were black and orange because black represented death and orange represented the autumn harvest Well, of course, yeah And then
Malcolm:there's so basically it's it's Death harvest so it's about the harvest.
Tana:Yeah, pretty much I guess
Malcolm:That is what it's called when Grim Reaper takes a life is harvesting. Oh, yeah
Tana:Interesting. There's also three theories, apparently, about trick or treating. The first was that during Samhain, Celtic people would leave food out to appease the spirits that were traveling the earth at night. And kids
Malcolm:would just take it. Huh? And kids would just take it? I mean, if I was a kid, I would. Yeah, I would, too. Could you imagine accidentally dooming your neighbor because he just wanted the piece of bread
Tana:they left out? It says, over time, people began to dress as these unearthly beings in exchange for these offerings of food and drink. The second theory speculates that it stems from the Scottish practice of guising, which is a secular version of souling. During the Middle Ages, generally... Children and poor adults would collect food and money from local homes in return for prayers for the dead on All Souls Day. And then the third theory is it stems from bell snickering, which is my favorite one so far. A German American Christmas tradition where children would dress up in costume and then call on their neighbors to see if the adults could guess the identities of the disguised. Oh. In one version of the practice, the children were rewarded with food or treats if no one could identify
Malcolm:them. But where did the, the trick... or treat come from? That's an
Tana:excellent point. It didn't, um, or excellent question. It doesn't, maybe the trick part is we're trying to trick you because you can't identify us. Maybe. With the bell snickering one. Um, I just think it should be that one because of the name bell snickering. I might be pronouncing that incorrectly, but I think I'm pretty close. Oh,
Malcolm:it was, it started as trick for treat. So you would do like a little performance or something with your outfit And then you'd get a treat for it.
Tana:Mmm, interesting, interesting. But
Malcolm:then, I don't know how it got started to be trick or treating.
Tana:Treat them right, don't be tricked. That's an ad for candy. Trick or treating rose in popularity in the 1950s and inspired candy companies to market small individually wrapped candies. Well, of course.
Malcolm:Yeah. Are you kidding me? Like, so many holidays are corporate pushed.
Tana:Oh my gosh. Because if Okay, can we talk about sweetest day? Or Valentine's Day? Valentine's Day actually had an origin, but Sweetest Day just feels like it was frickin made up by the card company. What is Sweetest? You know, that's an excellent question. I don't really fully understand it. It's just something about dating, I guess. I guess. Um, what is Sweetest Day? Is a day to share romantic deeds or expressions and acts of charity and kindness. Wait, how do you spell it? Sweetest, like the sweetest thing, like sweet. Oh, yeah, okay.
Malcolm:Not Swedish day. No, I think it's just sweet S, like with no T or H. Oh, okay. Yeah. Um, yeah, I remember this, uh, because it's actually coming up for us October 21st.
Tana:Oh, yeah, that's right. I forgot that it's in October. Okay.
Malcolm:Yeah, I remember seeing this and being like, Isn't this literally just Valentine's Day? Yeah. Like, what, what's the point? Yeah. Like, it feels like a mix of Valentine's Day and...
Tana:Oh it just feels like Valentine's Day light.
Malcolm:It's Valentine's, no, it's mixed with, it's Valentine's Day and Thanksgiving mixed together. Oh, interesting. It's like literally thanking people for your friendship.
Tana:Yeah, it's, it's, I don't know, I find it ridiculous. I think there's some weird holidays out there. If you,
Malcolm:if you look at the holiday calendar, there's like seven holidays a day.
Tana:As well. Oh, you mean like the, like National Coffee day and like, like that?
Malcolm:Yeah. National Flag Days. Yeah. Uh, Shelby's birthday and Sheldon's favorite holiday. Oh, that's right.
Tana:Fun with flags. Yes. Uh, yeah. Um, there's, there's, yeah, there's a lot of holidays and some of'em are kind of fun too. Like there's talk, like a pirate day. There's answer the phone like buddy the elf day. There's, yeah,
Malcolm:there's somewhere they're like. They were fake holidays and they gained so much popularity, they became legit.
Tana:I have to tell you about Answer the Phone Like Buddy the Elf Day. Because it was a long time ago, but a friend of mine and I, you know, we both loved Elf, and we were talking about this holiday coming up. Hey, this is Buddy the Elf, what's your favorite color? Yes, and so I actually forgot about it. And I called her for something else and she answered the phone kind of hushed and was like, Buddy the Elf, what's your favorite color? Put that down. And I was like, and I just started laughing and I was like, Oh my gosh, that's amazing. She's like, okay, I got to call you back later. I'm meeting with my lawyer. I was like, she did it anyway. That's awesome. That is very funny. But right now, I mean, Halloween is sort of like, I'm not emblematic, but it is. If you don't count the Jewish festivals, it is the gateway into, like, typically American celebrated. Holidays for like this last, you know, it's like holiday season. Yeah. Right. So right now actually we're in the middle of Sukkot, which is a Jewish festival. And you at one time when you were younger called it Sue's coat and you were wondering why we were celebrating Sue's coat. It's a beautiful coat. That's why we're celebrating. Um, which is, uh, oh man, I'm trying to remember what Sukkot is. It's, oh, the celebration of, um, The sheltering of Israel while in exile, while searching for the promised land. Gotcha. Okay, so we're actually like kind of in the middle of that festival right now, and we just passed a bunch of other
Malcolm:Jewish festivals. We really do just celebrate anything and everything, don't
Tana:we? Well, I think, I don't want to say that about Jewish festivals, because those are religious festivals that are very important to their identity and their faith. Fair enough. Um, but I think you could say that about like, you know, National Potted Plants Day or whatever, you know. I don't know
Malcolm:I saw one that was like related to Swedish Day that was like National Proposal Day. It's like, why, why... That's weird. Like, what's the point? Like, the proposal itself is a holiday. You don't need to... Right, right,
Tana:yeah. Yeah, that's, that's funny. But I, I... The thing I find interesting though, like, so, you know, Halloween was, um, it started from... a pagan religious tradition. It became, like for Americans at least, a very commercial holiday, right? Like I don't think anybody thinks anything about, I mean, I think All Saints Day is bigger in like the Catholic church, maybe the Episcopal church, but like, I don't think a lot of like evangelicals, you know, are like All Saints Day. I don't think it's, you know. But, uh, it made me think about how many other holidays come from these pagan traditions that have been co opted. Okay. So, one of them that I find very interesting is Christmas. Oh yeah, for sure. Yeah, which I think a lot of people know that by now, but it was the Roman celebration of the birth of the sun god, and I think it's also celebrating like they erected some kind of... Monument to the Sun God on December 25th and so they celebrated it, uh, every year. So, um, the thing I find fascinating about this is, I don't think a lot of Christians understand that the origins of holidays they find to be very precious to them is, it's based in paganism. Yeah. You know, and that we basically co-opted it. So I looked up I looked it up to try to understand a little bit more about like why this happened, right? Yeah. And I had some suspicions, but I wanted to look it up, uh, more. And so what happened with Christianity and Judaism is. Christianity recognizes Jesus as the Savior, as the technically as the Jewish
Malcolm:Savior. Cain recognizes Cain.
Tana:But, um, but Judaism does not. They think he was an excellent prophet but not the Son of God. Yeah. And so when Christianity started the origins, which they called at the time the Way, This is the way.
Malcolm:That was my first thought. It was straight to Mandalorian.
Tana:Awesome. Uh, anyway. Anyway, they wanted to separate themselves from Judaism. Okay. Because of that separation in belief, um, and also because of a lot of anti Semitism. Okay. Naturally. Yeah, so there was a lot like, uh, Irenaeus, Irenaeus? Irenaeus was one of the early Christian leaders. It's Irenaeus. Who was anti semitic and then What, so not only was he anti Semitic, but then they're also looking like the way was reaching out to Gentiles and trying to like graft them into the faith, right? So, but the Gentiles had trouble, do you know what a Gentile is? Nope. A non Jewish person. Gotcha. Okay. So, the Gentiles were, uh, not... Muggles. Interested. They what? I said muggles.
Malcolm:I'll just stop talking now.
Tana:Muggles. The Gentiles were reluctant to give up their pagan traditions. And so what happened over time was Christians just adapted pagan holidays and kind of usurped them and made them Christian. So it was a way to like make them feel more
Malcolm:comfortable. Almost like what Christians did to everything else. Sorry not sorry.
Tana:It's sorry not sorry? Actually just
Malcolm:not sorry.
Tana:You're not sorry for making that statement? Yeah. Oh I thought you were like saying the Christians were like sorry not sorry. But I find that, one of the reasons I find that so fascinating is because there are certain things, like, I remember your dad looked up some of this at one point and the, what's that called? The greenery of a Christmas tree was, that came from pagan rituals. Oh. And we would have Christmas trees in, Churches. Yeah. You know, and, but if you were to say, you know, we want to take out this because it's a pagan symbol, people, Christians will be up in arms about it. Yeah. Right. So it's, it's interesting to me. It's fascinating to me that there are these pagan things that have become so expected, but we won't now make any accommodations for anybody to be part of a faith. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's just, you believe all these things or you do not belong. I also feel
Malcolm:like holidays in general now have become way less religious and more about the holidays
Tana:themselves. I would say, I would argue they're more commercial. Yeah, exactly. Like it's more about, you know, gift giving.
Malcolm:And I, I think that's okay. I think if you want to celebrate, uh, Christmas religiously, that's fine, as long as you're not pushing it on other people. And I think if you want to celebrate Christmas as just a gift giving, family get together holiday that's non religious, that's fine as well, as long as you don't, like, make fun of people for celebrating it religiously. Yeah. Um. Yeah, I think a lot of, there's some other holidays like that, like Easter as well. Yeah. Easter's the egg hunt holiday now, it's not...
Tana:Yeah, and the Easter bunny, it's not really so much about... It does, that is one of the ones that actually kind of, uh, coincides often with Passover, which is a Jewish holiday. Yeah. And... It's interesting because it's one of the few holidays that are based on a lunar calendar instead of the Julian calendar. It's pretty cool actually. Because it's like... The Sunday after something. I don't know. So what you're saying
Malcolm:is Moon Night celebrates it? Yes.
Tana:Oh, you're just shoehorning all these Marvel and Star Wars characters into the holidays. Harry Potter. Yeah. So I actually think Harry Potter is an interesting example of how the holiday is not religious for everybody. You know, because if it was a religious... Celebration. I don't know that they would have been celebrating it at Hogwarts. Yes. You know, so.
Malcolm:Especially since they're in Europe. They're not even in America.
Tana:Well, they celebrate Christmas
Malcolm:in Europe. Well, I know, but there's, it's usually like less or there's different holidays and different ways of celebrating holidays depending on what country you're in versus. Yeah,
Tana:I'd be really curious like how England approaches it? I don't really know that I know I think I know of a couple things. They're probably nicer about it. Maybe. I know of a couple different like Oh traditional treats like I read that book The Little Book of Hygge which is about the Danish idea of Feeling comfort, like creating comfort around you wherever you are. Yeah. And they, the book talked about Christmas and was like, Oh, here's what like a hygge Christmas looks like. And it was all these different, all these different, um, like recipes and stuff. Like, so I think it, you know, it looks different in every country is, is I guess what my point is. Uh, but yeah, I'd be curious as to like the religious versus commercial and some other countries, like how. Cause, I mean, we get super commercial here about it. Yeah, we do. And also super religious, but. I
Malcolm:think for me, it's like, I just like the actual celebration. The commercial stuff in general never bothers me, it never, I mean, it, it bothers me, but it doesn't, like, make me want to buy stuff, or it doesn't make me want to, like, celebrate it the way that commercial people, whatever you want to say, wants you to celebrate it. And so, I'm just like, celebrating Christmas because I just want to like, give gifts to people. I'm not celebrating Christmas because I want to like, go out and buy, you know, or get a Christmas tree and do all this other stuff. I don't know, I'm more about like, the celebration itself than the, all the extra necessities. That usually come with it. Um, like I think Halloween, I think I find especially fun because, uh,
Tana:I think you mean Samhain? Yes. I'm just kidding.
Malcolm:Uh, like handing out candy to kids is really, is like really cool and interesting. And being the kid is really cool and interesting as well. I mean like being able to dress up as whoever you want. Like you get to, Basically, instead of Halloween being celebrating Halloween, it feels like almost a celebration of all of your favorite things. Hmm. So, like, you get to celebrate. All of, like, I get like if I wanted to, one year I get to, you know, celebrate Minecraft and dress up as Steve. One year I get to celebrate Yeah. Star Wars and dress up as Darth Mall. Yeah. This year I get to celebrate, um, like my first Halloween with like actually spending some time with my girlfriend in Halloween and we're doing like a couple's costume with Yeah. Like Nightmare Before Christmas, which is bo both of our like favorite Halloween movies. Yeah. So, yeah. Yeah. It's. I think that's why Halloween is so great for me. It's like, it feels like a, it feels like an all encompassing celebration.
Tana:Yeah, I think, I think it is a lot of fun and it's disappointing to me that there are a lot of Christians who kind of get up in arms about Halloween and they think, you know, like last year the I can't remember if I already said this in some other episode, but last year there was like the hocus pocus thing where, uh, some woman was doing videos about how when they cast spells in the movie, they were actually going to, it was actually kind of coming, come through your TV and, you know, hypnotize your kids. And you know, um, and I, I, and when I, when I think about it, I kind of understand Where these people are coming from because I understand the faith and what they've been taught. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Like I understand where those ideas come from because there's this idea, the idea for a lot of Christians is like Satan is crouching on every corner and just ready to like, you know, you know, and so it's kind of the same thing about what you you had said about first person shooter games that. You know, it's frustrating to you that people just assume that you're just going to go shoot up a school because you're playing like There are a lot of people who play first person shooter games and they're not all Yeah, I
Malcolm:hate to break it to you, but there's literally millions of players. I think we'd all be dead by
Tana:now Right, exactly. And so but but video games are like an easy, you know target to say Oh, this is bad, you know rather than Maybe looking at mental health outcomes or actually all kinds of stuff. The, uh, what do they call it? Social, social determinants of health. There are all kinds of determinants around us that lead to people making poor choices and doing bad things, right? But we just want to look at it as an individual failure or pin it on something like video games instead of saying, Oh, we wouldn't have as much of a problem with the... Like, like this, with this, if we had a good healthcare system, if we took mental health seriously, if we did more to keep people out of poverty, you know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, but we want to pin it on stuff like video games and then Halloween, like, Oh, if they're, if they, my kid dresses up like a witch, then they're going to be a witch. Like, I don't, although isn't that the plot of Halloween town? Like the people become their costumes.
Malcolm:I don't know. I, I don't understand that. I like how, People just assume that everyone is super susceptible to stuff, like that there's like somehow no free thinking and free will, like you're just Gonna like, yeah, well, do you know how many times I've changed what profession I want to be? Right. Like,
Tana:yeah I didn't ever thought about it that way. It is kind of looking at people as weak minded. Yeah, if I
Malcolm:can't Even decide what profession I want to be in the future, that how do you expect me to just like be playing a video game and become the character in the video game? Well, I
Tana:think that, I think what we, what people miss is that there's a difference between fantasy and reality, right? And so they're not going, Oh, this is, this is a fantasy element, right? Oh, I'm going to dress up like this character and I can see the difference between fantasy and reality. And a lot of these same people won't think. will not really, uh, be upset with targeted rhetoric that creates, like, that leads to terrorism, like domestic terrorism, you know, and it's, they, they don't see the connection there and they're like, Oh, somebody said some mean words that doesn't mean, you know, but that kind of stuff actually does lead to harm. Whereas someone dressing up as something It's not going to make them see, Oh, I'm a witch. Can
Malcolm:I dress up as a successful
Tana:person? Oh my gosh. If it were that simple. Yeah. I'd be like, I'm going as a famous author.
Malcolm:I'm going as the most well known in podcasting.
Tana:Yes. Yeah. So I don't know. Anyway, so those are some of the annoying things about Halloween, but, uh, it's, again, it's not my favorite, but yeah, people.
Malcolm:So it's an annoying thing about a lot of things.
Tana:That's fair. You can just get rid of the people. Was there, I forget what that line is from, I don't remember if it was like a movie or a TV show where they're like, A person is smart, people are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals, and you know it. It's true. Yeah,
Malcolm:so. I feel like it's. I feel like it's something dumb like home or something like that and it's one of the
Tana:aliens or something. No, it was Somebody listening right now is like, I mean, I know what that is I feel like it was from like a political TV show or something Is it Madam Secretary? That's gonna bother me. No, it wasn't. It was before Madam Secretary. Although I love Madam Secretary.
Malcolm:That's why I was wondering if it was
Tana:that. Oh, no, no. I would remember it probably because I just re watched the, re watched that series, so. Um,
Malcolm:I understand people not liking holidays because of how commercial it is, but I don't think people should like be mad at other people or assume things about other people because of Those holidays
Tana:that they like. Well, we have to keep in mind Every generation comes in without the historical knowledge of the previous generation, right? So to you the way Halloween was growing up was normal whereas somebody who Was born in the 30s or 40s might be like well Halloween was a lot nicer back blah blah blah You know what? I mean like it changes over time. It was nicer Well, I mean, I don't know. I can't think of anything in particular with Halloween, but I hear that about other things where like, Oh, yeah, you know because, Back in my day. Right, the back in my day thing. I think Halloween is harmless. By the way, the quote was from Men in Black. Really?
Malcolm:Yes. Was
Tana:it from an alien? It was, no, it was from Agent K. Oh, okay. A person is smart, people are dumb, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's like talking about... Whether they should know that aliens exist on earth. I keep wanting
Malcolm:to re watch Men in Black.
Tana:This is such a good movie. I love that movie. Well, anyway, I think I've I've said everything I want to say about Halloween, I don't know if you have any other It's great
Malcolm:It's great I'm gonna dress up as Tony the Tiger now.
Tana:I'm probably just gonna wear my red panda costume again Cool. If I can fit in
Malcolm:it. You gonna hand out candy this year?
Tana:Oh my gosh, always. Yeah. Always hand out candy. I figure so, but. I actually really enjoy doing that. It's funny because most of the time the kids just kind of walk up and take the candy and walk away, so it's not very rewarding.
Malcolm:Like we've said, there's different, there's different ways of celebrating for everyone. For kids, it's mostly about taking candy from as many people as you can.
Tana:Right, right. And I've learned over the years, like, which things are popular. Oh yeah. Like, Reese's Peanut Butter Cups do not go.
Malcolm:Nope, uh, I bet you Whoppers don't go either, but those still remain to be one
Tana:of... I can't remember. Well, they're part of a pack, a multi pack that you
Malcolm:get. Yeah, exactly. I don't know why they're part of the multi pack, because nobody picks
Tana:them. What I started doing last year was, I would give something to the kid, and then I'd be like, You know to yell to the mom or dad who are like at the end of the sidewalk, you know and be like Do you want a peanut butter cup? They're like, yeah So I would just send it with the kid because the parents always wanted them but the kids like those sour gummy worms go fast
Malcolm:Yeah, I think there's some things where They seem enticing because they're all candy. But then peanut butter cups are like, oh, it's peanut butter
Tana:Like, You're like one of the most popular candies. I just think it's funny that you're like, Oh, it's peanut butter. Well, but I think It has protein in it.
Malcolm:I think peanut butter is associated with other things, but I think when you think of candy, you're not like, Ooh, that has this ingredient in it that's in other things. I
Tana:don't want any healthiness to my candy. Don't add protein. No,
Malcolm:kids are just like, Oh, it's gummy worms. Like,
Tana:yes. Yeah. I have to admit, I do love the Trollies. Those are pretty good. Yes,
Malcolm:my, my like for candy changes all the time, but I will always probably love the extremes.
Tana:Oh,
Malcolm:yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I like the strips though, not the bites. I mean, I like the bites too, but the strips are like
Tana:the best. Well, as we had mentioned. I don't even remember. What is time? I don't remember if it was on this podcast or another podcast, but, um, that I grew up near Hershey. So Hershey chocolate is like part of my, you know,
Malcolm:like, yeah. I didn't think about how difficult Halloween is going to be for me this year because I'm cutting out red 40 and yellow 5. Oh no. No Trollis for you. No Sour Patch Kids, no Swedish Fish.
Tana:Do the extremes have them?
Malcolm:It's a rainbow so they got they got all of them. Yeah, that's true. Um, oh, that's so sad. Yeah I'm gonna go cry now No, I'll probably get those. There's like there's vegan candies have been getting really popular and because companies have actually started been able to bake vegan candies that taste like candy and not taste like You're just mowing the lawn with your teeth. So, um, So, I might try to get some of those this year.
Tana:That was great. Yeah, there's actually a lot more, like, they have, like, um, their, their version of fruit roll ups, like, more natural. Yeah, yeah, so
Malcolm:I, although they're more expensive, I think it'll be, it'll be fun to kind of explore all the, the non dye areas. But, cutting out dyes, cutting out, cutting out, this has gotta be a whole other topic, but cutting out, like, unhealthy and bad things for either you or the environment. It's so hard. and it's so
Tana:expensive. It is very expensive. It's, the thing also that, I don't know, sometimes I think, like, they have a time when they make Skittles all, like, no color. Which I realize the color helps designate which flavor you're going for. But, like, M& M's could do that. Like just, you know. Well the thing is
Malcolm:Skittles only do it during the, um, uh, June. Pride
Tana:Month. Yeah. Did you know that M& M's used to all be dark and light brown? Yep.
Malcolm:Yep. So. But, I, yeah, I don't understand why the companies don't continue to do that. Cause I feel like there's actually starting to be a really big market for non diet foods. Yeah. And so I feel like some of those companies at least need to make it so you can order it online or something like that. Yeah. Because I think you can make Skittles or M& M's really popular you can get a lot of
Tana:sales with that. They can make like a version of it like, no die, you know. Yeah. Alright, well, I think we're getting to about that time. Yes,
Malcolm:because we're starting to go down rabbit holes and not our actual topic. I mean,
Tana:we do that all the time, but. Yeah, anyways. Well. Well. Time to go.