So, it's Valentine's Day. Tana shares her most epic Valentine's Day gift ever, and then we talk about Gen Z and sex! What could be a better celebration of the day?
Valentine's Day is here! I feel like I need to, um, insert Loki's, your Your savior is here!
Tana:Ha ha ha ha ha! Yeah, he ended up being correct. Yeah. You know what? I have to start off. I have to, I have to start this off with the, the best Valentine's thing ever. Oh? So this was The valentine's day before, well, while your dad and I were engaged, but before we got married. Okay, okay, so he was a general manager at a Dunkin Donuts, and I was one of the employees there. That's not how we met, but that's one of the periods of our life that was our working arrangement. Okay, so I was one of the employees who could make deposits at the bank. That's just important, just a little thing to know for this. It'll come into play later. So it was Valentine's Day. Um, and, we had plans and, but your dad went home before the end of my shift, right? And you know, you work at a fast food place. You're going to like smell greasy and stuff. You know, if you're going to go out, you want to, you want to like shower and get ready. Yeah. So, I was getting ready to leave and, your dad was like, can you take the. Deposit to the bank on your way home. I was like, oh god, I don't want to, I'm going to run out of time to get ready, blah, blah, blah, you know. And so, I'm like, fine. So I took the deposit over to the bank, and the person behind, the teller, gets this huge smile on her face and hands me this ginormous card. And I was like, oh my gosh, what's this? And it had like, a rhyme on it, and it was like, clue one. You know, and I was like, basically it was like a, a little like decoder thing of like how to find clue to, right. And I'm like, okay. And so I don't remember the exact order of things, but I think the next one was the Pennsylvania bakery, which is a really good bakery. Shout out to the Pennsylvania bakery in Camp Hill, Pennsylvania. It's really good. And so I was supposed to go there and like, I think I was supposed to ask for Teddy or something, you know, and I was like, you know, And I'm, I'm an idiot because I do not recognize that this is the beginning of like a romantic scavenger hunt, right, you know, and I'm just irritated because I'm like, I need to get home and shower because I smell like fryer grease And, you know, whatever. Yeah. Um, and so I'm like, irritated. So, I stop at Pennsylvania Bakery, and I'm like, I'm supposed to ask for a teddy, and the person's like, hee hee hee, and like, brings out a teddy bear. And then it has like, another little poem, and it's like, go here, and ask for this person. Like, it's like, one of them was like, go to Blockbuster. This is when Blockbuster Video was still a thing. Oh my gosh,
Malcolm:I think there's one left. I think there is
Tana:still one left. There's still that one in like Alaska or something that has like the, the, um, uh, Oh, what is it? It's like Russell Crowe's like, something like underwear or something. I don't know. It's, it's, um, something from Gladiator, I think. Anyway, um, sidebar. So it was like, go to Blockbuster and ask for Audrey. And so like, I get there and there was like, an Audrey Hepburn movie. I think it was Roman Holiday. And like, so, Roman Holiday on VHS. This was it. So, just a hint to how long ago this was. I'm really dating myself here. And then it was like, go here and ask for this. And it was like, another place. And it was like, I got candles. And like, another place. And I got, you know. Oh, and um. At, um, Pennsylvania So dad sent you on a grocery run. Yeah, he did.
Malcolm:That bastard. For your own Valentine's
Tana:Day. Yeah, he made me pick up my own degree. That's another way to look at this. The jerk made me pick up his. But at, like, Pennsylvania Bakery, like, the teddy bear was, like, holding onto a loaf of bread. And, like, another place I got candles. And I think another place I don't remember. That may have been all the places. I don't know. But I'm still thinking we're going out. And so I'm like, I'm like, this is cute, but I'm also frustrated because I'm like, Oh my God, I need to like, you know, so because delaying me, you know, so I get back, to his apartment and, and I was just planning on like showering at his apartment. We're going to go or whatever. I get there and he has drawn up a bath and he's in the middle of cooking and he's like, I just thought we would have a picnic. Here, in the living room, and you know, he's like, but I made a bath for you so you can relax in the bath while I'm cooking, you know, and it was just like, it was the sweetest thing, and so like, he, he, uh, he had like, And he had all this stuff, like, decked out in the bath, so it was like, you know. And so I did that, and he cooked, and then, we watched Roman Holiday, and had a little picnic with, by candle, I, while we were watching Roman Holiday, and, like, eating dinner, and, you know, in the living room, and it was really cute. It was a very, very, very sweet thing. And I was just like, you're never going to be able to top this. And he's like, yep, I've peaked, like, you know, and it's so funny cause for like years after I would tell that story to people and the guys would be like, dude, you're making us look bad. Oh God, man, just, oh, you suck, you know? But yeah, it was really, it was really cute. Like they just, the amount of time he must've spent. Sometimes
Malcolm:you just get that little, like, kick of passion that you just want to, like, really
Tana:go all out. Yeah, and what's really funny is that your dad hates holidays. And so, like, we don't really do a lot of stuff on holidays. Like, we don't really exchange gifts. He hates holidays, but he loves it. I think I'm going to puke a little. But, uh, I mean, yeah, I mean, yeah.
Malcolm:What a visceral reaction. They're telling you that dad loves you.
Tana:I just meant because of how you were like, yeah, he hates holidays, but he loves you. But, yeah, so it's kind of funny because like, we don't really do that stuff for holidays. We don't. I don't really tend to exchange gifts that often. We did this year, but like kind of spontaneously. I think
Malcolm:Valentine's Day is like my second favorite holiday after
Tana:Halloween. Really? It's so funny because we don't really do anything for Valentine's Day anymore. and I just, and both of us are kind of like, eh, it's like now we are like, eh, it's okay. Greeting card holiday made up by, you know, like, yeah, like it's made up. You don't have to do anything. Like it's, you know, the obligatory action of it
Malcolm:is like, you know, like chalk candies are hell.
Tana:Actually, I really like the little hearts. Those are chalky hearts. I actually kind of like this. I feel like I'm
Malcolm:actively eating chalk.
Tana:I don't think I've ever.
Malcolm:I just don't like that texture
Tana:though, in general, you know, outside of that. That year. I don't think I've ever been like, oh, it's Valentine's Day. We have to do something. I've just never like felt like Valentine's Day is is something we need to feel obligated to. I don't think
Malcolm:Shelby and I feel that way either But we just like to do stuff. I mean
Tana:maybe because your dad like knocked it out of the park so hard that Valentine's Day was like, well, I'm good. It's kept me good for 29 27, 27 years? Yeah. So, 20, 28 years. So, um, so maybe I'm good for like 30 and maybe like after a few more years, I'll be like, all right, you need to do something for Valentine's Day again. But yeah, I don't know. Um, is there any sort of like generational thing that you've observed with your friends with Valentine's Day? Like,
Malcolm:um. I mean, well, with my friends, no, we weren't really the, the dating around types in high school. Um, mostly because it was a small school, so everyone knew everyone. That didn't stop some people from dating around, but Sure, yeah. Uh, it was like, I already know you, and I know I don't like you, so Not, not like that. That's rude, but, oh, for some of them, but, um, and I'm not really on social media, so I don't really
Tana:Yeah, I honestly am really curious how, cause I know that there's a lot of generational differences, with, like, things have changed over time with views of sex and Having children and family and I'm curious like how that translates also to romance. You know what I mean?
Malcolm:Yeah, I don't know. I feel like one thing that has probably changed is Before it was probably a guy always doing something for the woman. The girl, yeah. But now I feel like it's pretty If it's not even then it's Woman doing something for the guy, or both of them do
Tana:something. Or they just decide together, like, oh, we're gonna go for a nice meal or something. Yeah. Yeah, I do think there is, like, the whole, like, move towards equality has changed the idea that, like, oh, the man has to, like, romance the woman kind of thing. Thank goodness. As far as heterosexual relationships go. Anyway. So maybe those expectations are lowered? I
Malcolm:also don't know if this is like a newer thing or not, but I remember the whole like, uh, secret, um, admirer thing that we would always do in school on Valentine's Day where it was always like, you could buy.
Tana:Oh, like buy the flowers. No,
Malcolm:you, you, I think it was candy. I think
Tana:you. Oh, candy. I guess it depended on
Malcolm:school. Yeah. You'd buy like a bag of candy and then it would be sent to. Like who, an anonymous or from an anonymous person to you or something like that. And yeah, which was kind of weird because I mean, a lot of it was just like, some people wouldn't get any. Yeah. And then that's really sad. Yeah. And then some people would get a lot just because they're popular or it's just a bunch of. Girls that are giving each other candy. So, and I'm like, at that point just buy your own damn candy.
Tana:Yeah, I've seen the candy and I remember at some point there were flowers in one of the schools I went to. There were flowers. And then of course when you're younger, when you're in like the little grades, everybody does the whole like, get a valentine for everybody in your class kind of thing. Yeah. But, yeah, it's such a strange, at least Valentine's Day makes more sense than Sweetest Day, which just is like, that's just, Valentine's Day, Valentine's Day revisited. Yeah, I don't
Malcolm:really understand that. People like, genuinely defend that holiday and be like, yeah, this holiday is like, better or, it's
Tana:pointless. Or the same as, it's just a
Malcolm:screening card holiday. And I'm like, but it's like, it's
Tana:the same thing. It is. It's like. Valentine's Day but in October.
Malcolm:Yeah, and then you have Thanksgiving, which is the other part of Sweetest Day.
Tana:Thanksgiving? Yeah. Is part of Sweetest
Malcolm:Day? No, I just meant it's the other part, like, if, if you are saying, oh, Sweetest Day is just to, like, do it for all your friends, too, and not just your, like, loved
Tana:ones. Oh, is that what they say about Sweetest Day? It's, like, also about friends? I think so. I thought it was just about relationships.
Malcolm:I don't know. It's confusing.
Tana:Well, let's look it up. Let's, what is sweetest day? Sweetest day is a holiday. It is a day to share romantic deeds or expression. Oh, and acts of charity and kindness. Okay. There's so many days now though, like. I mean, in addition to like, sort of the major holidays, there's all these like, National This Day and National That Day and like, some of them I think are kind of funny, like, you know, like, National Talk Like a Pirate Day, you know, National Talk Like Buddy the Elf Day, like, you answer the phone like Buddy the Elf Day, you know? Yeah, I,
Malcolm:I think Valentine's Day just is sweet, and I think it'd be fun, cause it's like, At least for Shelby and I's relationship, it's not like the only time that we express our love to each other, so it's not like this like super unique thing. Yeah. But it's still fun, I mean.
Tana:Yeah.
Malcolm:Just another that's good for restaurants. It's another excuse for us to get each other something. Sure.
Tana:Yeah. Yeah. So it's, and yeah, it's a good way for restaurants to make money in c chocolatier and, and, and, uh, florists, That's true. But it, it does make me think about
Malcolm:florists always just sounds like someone that would come fix your.
Tana:A florist?
Malcolm:It always just sounds like someone that's like, rip up, rip up the floor and like,
Tana:replace it. What are you? I'm a florist. I
Malcolm:work on floors. Yeah. I mean, you call roofers to get your roof repaired. That's true.
Tana:So But I don't call, when our washing machine Our zookeeper's
Malcolm:called faunists then. Faunists? If they're florists. Then wouldn't they be called
Tana:faunus? Faunus? We're going off the
Malcolm:flora and fauna.
Tana:No, isn't, isn't fauna plants? But then why is it florist? Florist, flowers, flor, fleur. That
Malcolm:doesn't track. Because it's not even spelled
Tana:the same way. But, it's like derivative of
Malcolm:But no, fauna is animals. I thought fauna was plants.
Tana:And flora is Was flowers and fauna was plants. What is fauna? What is fauna? Animals, you're right. Okay. Yeah. I've
Malcolm:played so many space exploration games, flora and and fauna. They separate everything by flora and fauna. So
Tana:faunas. So zookeepers should be faunas. Yes. What about veterinarians? Should they also be fas? I mean. I don't know. What about the person who came to, to, to fix our dishwasher? They, they were just a repairman. Dishwasher is, dishwasher is every, so everything should just be the thing and it's the derivative of the name. So I'm, um, if I write grants, I'm a grantist, or I'm a rightist,
Malcolm:I'm gonna make
Tana:drink, make, well, you're a barista, but
Malcolm:if we're not
Tana:doing the, I know. But I'm just curious. Make Drinkist. Make Drinkist. You're, well, then why did it, wouldn't it just be like Coffeeist Coffeeist.
Malcolm:But I
Tana:also make tea. Oh, fair. So we're not just drinkist. Drinkist.
Malcolm:I'm a drinkist. It would solve a lot of problems in the English language.
Tana:Oh, I don't know that it would. But yeah, English is weird. I don't know if anything will at this point. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Anyways, Valentine's Day. It kind of made me think about, like, so thinking about Valentine's Day made me think about, like, romance and sex and, like, all that stuff, and it made me think about You and every other guy. It made me think about, um, I was reading something recently about how your generation is having, like, less sex than the other generation.
Malcolm:Makes sense. Why does it make sense? I don't know, I just feel like I I hear a lot of people are just not interested.
Tana:Yeah, and that's so, that's so interesting to me. And like, so far, the articles I've read on it are basically, they have like, maybe some theories, but nothing really concrete. Like, no concrete answer.
Malcolm:I think it's just another like, freedom of self type thing. Like, I think a lot of people in the past felt obligated by, because I mean, you have those grandparents that are like, Oh, when are you having our Yeah, but there's,
Tana:but people are even, they're even saying, like, premarital sex is, is down. Which is not usually focused on procreation. You know? I don't know. Which, honestly, I find this absolutely fascinating because Um, adherence to a religion has also gone down over the last several decades and like this is something that has been like Extramarital sex has also like it's not just sex like within marriage or whatever like it's like people having sex before they get married I'm sure even marriage has gone down. Well and marriage has gone down too. Yeah, and but I find it interesting Like, I think a lot of religious people would be like, see, fewer people are getting married, and that's a terrible thing, and it's a direct result of them not going to church. But also, they're having less sex outside of marriage, and people are, there's less people going to church, which I think is fascinating, because It's because,
Malcolm:it's because of the abstinence thing. It's been proven time and time again that teaching people abstinence
Tana:does not work. Okay, so now that's interesting. I wonder if teaching has gone up, like if, Teaching actual sex ed has increased in schools. There's
Malcolm:that, but it's also if, if the whole religion thing has gone down, then you're not
Tana:teaching
Malcolm:as much. Oh, they're not teaching abstinence. They're not saying, oh, you can't have sex before you're as
Tana:much of, not as much exposure to abstinence teaching is what you're saying. Yeah. That's an interesting thought. Hmm. Hmm. No, that really is fascinating because I feel like Like, all, every youth group I was ever in when I was younger was very, I mean, gosh, they were so focused on sex, like, it was just all about, like, making sure we didn't have sex.
Malcolm:I, I don't understand it. It's like dare. I don't know if you remember dare. Oh yeah.
Tana:Where, where they're like, of course I
Malcolm:remember dare. There, there's like, you know, here's all the, the ways you can have sex. what happens when you have sex, but don't do it.
Tana:D. A. R. E. was about drugs.
Malcolm:No, I know, but that D. A. R. E. would do the
Tana:same thing. Oh, you're saying it's the D.
Malcolm:A. R. E. version of, okay. Yeah, it's like, cause D. A. R. E. would, would be like, here's where you can find all the drugs. Here are all the street names for all of the drugs, but
Tana:don't do drugs! Well, I think that also D. A. R. E. was very much like, drugs are terrible. There's like, you know, it was all very negative, obviously, like you, you would want to like Logically, it makes sense. Like you want to focus on the negatives of drugs. But I remember when I, um, when you were little, I spent a little bit of time in the anti drug coalition. And so I learned a lot about drug abuse and like teaching people about drugs and everything. And in that, I learned that Just teaching children like negative stuff about drugs and not being honest with them about it was detrimental. And so, um, They just don't believe
Malcolm:you. Right. It's just like, it's like next to impossible that something is only going to have negative effects if
Tana:everyone is doing it. Right. And so I remember having a conversation with you because we had, um, we had, uh, friends who like one of their sons was addicted to drugs and was doing, you know, bad things like stealing and, you know, treating people terribly and, and you were very much like, why is this happening? Why would they take drugs? Blah, blah, blah. And I remember having, you know, you were like six maybe. And I remember having, you know, you were Very blunt conversations with you about drugs and you were just like, well, if they're so bad, why would people use them? And I'm like, because at first they feel good. And you were like, really? You know, you were like, Oh, and I'm like, yes, but then you get addicted to them and then they. Then they start to have negative effects and, and then you can't stop and then you do this and you do that and you were like, Oh, and, and I, I still to this day feel like that was like an important early education for you because I think if we had just been like, drugs are bad, don't do that.
Malcolm:And then the, uh, dare officer got mad at me because I called him out on his bullshit. Oh, really? Because I remember, I remember in fifth grade, we, you know, we had dare officer and everything like that. And he's like, and he's talking about how they feel terrible. And I was like, you're like,
Tana:uh, I was like, that's wrong, do they? Yeah. I mean, you would tell kids like that and then their friend goes, Oh no, they lied to you. Drugs feel great. Well, then you go, Oh. And you don't have any of that back knowledge to go, Oh, sure. They feel great at first, but then can cause all of these problems, blah, blah, blah. Like, but if you were just told like, Oh, drugs are bad, they're terrible. Um, don't do them. And then,
Malcolm:and then they, I think the same thing goes for all the sex stuff as well. Right. Like they, I miss, at least I'm assuming, because I don't think I was ever taught
Tana:abstinence. I don't think, well, your school didn't do abstinence.
Malcolm:We didn't do it at MV, but I also never, I was in Pennsylvania when they were teaching it in fifth grade. And so Dad was the one that I actually think you were
Tana:also sick, weren't you? That taught me. Didn't you also happen to be sick on the other days that there were,
Malcolm:like there were I don't think so, I think we were just in Pennsylvania the week that they were in. Really? So I remember doing my homework there and stuff. Um, but
Tana:You kind of missed sex education at school, is what you're saying. At
Malcolm:least in 5th grade, yeah. Yeah. And, but I remember, um, or I don't remember. No, my assumption is that if they teach abstinence, I'm assuming they don't teach you that it's, people find it pleasurable too and
Tana:not just like I feel like that would be impossible not to teach, like otherwise why would people be doing it? Yeah, I don't, I don't know. Although, same with drugs. But yeah, I remember your dad. Yeah. Your dad was very, very proud of this conversation with you. Cause he really, like he said that you guys walked around the pond and that you got this conversation and he really felt like he was like really explaining things well and like, and he felt really proud about it. And then at the end he was like, so do you have any other questions? And you were just like, well, yeah. So how do people get pregnant? And he felt like he had explained all of that to you so well. But you were just basically like asked the same question. He was like, uh, okay. I didn't explain it well, but I mean, I feel like we've always, I mean, we've talked about
Malcolm:ADHD and I was just some other land while he was talking.
Tana:And, but I feel like. Like, we've talked about this before. I feel like overall, we have pretty honest conversations with you about things, and I feel like, you know, um, at least our little experiment of one here, um, I, you know, You've never really gone off and been like, Oh, I'm going to try all these drugs, and I'm going to get drunk, and I'm going to, um, knock a bunch of girls up. Like, you know, you just What a holiday.
Malcolm:Is this what Valentine's is really about?
Tana:Yes. Yes. So, yeah, I think So I think for us, like I think teaching you about stuff has, has, has given you a more realistic view but it's an interesting thought like, um, I wonder where, where the schools land and what kind of sex education people are getting and, and I don't know, maybe the availability of the internet has something to do with it too, like maybe people are less likely to be in their own world. I don't know. religious, you know, um, bubbles. Yeah. And being taught all that. But, but yeah, it is actually, I didn't even think about that. The fact that fewer people are engaging in religion means fewer people are being given this really super negative view of sex. I think on top of
Malcolm:it, you know, there's the, there is the feeling pressured to, have kids in the past. Yes. But I think in the past there was also pressure to be with someone. And I think nowadays there's not as much pressure to be with someone.
Tana:Yeah. And
Malcolm:also Women didn't have as much of a voice, so they wouldn't say anything. They would
Tana:just, yep. I was actually just about to say that. I seriously wonder if one of the main reasons why there's, there's less sex and less kids is because women are given more freedom to not make that decision. Yeah. Yeah. Not just no means no, but also, um, like. Your entire value is not wrapped up in being a mother and a wife, you know?
Malcolm:Um, I mean, there's also nothing in the past about like, uh, people who are asexual or non binary or anything like that that led to a level of discomfort when it came to sex. And since they weren't comfortable with sharing that with other people because it wasn't as accepted. They probably used sex to cover it up as well. Cause I mean, it's the whole reason why like beards exists and stuff too. It's just to. It's all
Tana:Yeah. All disguised. Yeah, you know, people will always be like, some people will say like, oh, being gay is like a new phenomenon because it's hip. Like, there's more gay people now because it's like, it's hip to be gay. Gay or something, which I'm just like, okay. And they, they act like it's like trendy. And so people are doing it because it's trendy or whatever. And I'm like, or, or, it's more accepted. And so people are more free to be who they are.
Malcolm:Yeah. It's also just, thinking of it, it's just, it's kind of a funny, it's kind of a funny thought, like, Oh, right now it's trendy to be gay. Yeah, so
Tana:I think I'll be gay. Like, that's not the kind of thing that you just, like, jump on as a trend. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, that's not like, oh, I'm gonna change my entire sexual orientation because it's the cool thing to do. I think what's probably more likely is that there are way more people who are bisexual. That, um, May or may not act on it, act on the opposite, you know, because it's, you know, because of whether or not they feel like it's acceptable. Um, and so I think we see more of that too. Um, because I think there's a lot of people who Like your, your dad's pan, but he's married to me. So nobody's going to look at him and go, Oh. Oh, he's pan. He's pan. Or he's LGBT. Or he's bi. Or he's, yeah. Anything, you know what I mean? They're not going to know because we're married and we look like a heterosexual couple. Yeah. Um, and I just think there's like, there's more and more people like that that just blend in. And then there's even,
Malcolm:uh, on top of that, there's also just a certain level of people that are like, well, aren't. Trans or non binary, but they'll still dress more flamboyantly than like another man or something. Yeah.
Tana:Yeah. They just have the, they just feel the freedom to dress however they want. Which is another one of those things that, um, is like a societal, like, this is what we say is okay. Like, this is what's acceptable. And, um Um, why? You know, like, like, okay, you decided that men do not wear skirts. So a man wants to wear a skirt. Why does that? You made that decision. Somebody made a decision along the way. Like, because it didn't use to be that way. Yeah. I mean, there were times like, and I mean, even looking like other countries where they, like everybody's in robes or something, you know, like there's, that looks like you could argue that's a dress. You know what I mean? You know, or kilts in Scotland, or, you know, or, or how, you know, wigs used to be a major thing and tights and high heels used to be, you know, well, I mean, like, and if you look back at the, the, like founding fathers, Parliament there, the way they dress, um, they dressed people now would be like, oh, you're not a man, you know, even though they like our founding fathers, blah, blah, blah. So, yeah, bring
Malcolm:Shakespeare up in here.
Tana:Yeah, I mean, it's just like the older Michael Jackson. It's just, what does that mean? Just the way he dressed. Oh, he wore one glove. Wore what? One glove. That was like the Michael Jackson thing. It wouldn't surprise me. Um. But yeah, it's just such a weird, it's just such a strange thing. But another thing I read said it could have been like cove. They they're the idea of getting back to the whole like Gen Z isn't as like romantically inclined. Um, It was saying, like, COVID kind of slowed down the development of, of people. Like, fewer people in Gen Z are meeting other, like, adult milestones. But, but then somebody else pointed out that it started happening before the pandemic. But that was, that was another interesting thing. Like, and this, this, you qualify here, um, like, fewer people are getting their driver's license. And so, like, there's more and more adult milestones, quote unquote, that Gen Z is, like, putting off till later, which is interesting. I'm just, like, but nobody's been able to, like, definitively say, this is why. You know? And part of me just thinks it's the, y'all are like, we don't subvert expectations, like, we don't have to meet your expectations. I
Malcolm:think it's just a combination of everything we've said so far, so it doesn't, it's not pointed to one thing or another, it's just Yeah,
Tana:probably.
Malcolm:Um, cause also, just in general, there's more sexual independence than there was before.
Tana:Yeah, I think so. And I think that sexual independence also can equal not having sex. Like, I think some people see sexual liberation as having lots of sex in all the ways you want to and not feeling like you can't, you know what I
Malcolm:mean? I bet some of it is also porn. Cause now porn is way more accessible than it was in the
Tana:past. So you think porn is Taking the place of? That's an interesting thought because one, another thought about Gen Z was that people have more online relationships and so maybe they're not meeting up as much like maybe they meet someone online and it lives in a different city or you know. Sure, it's that too. And, but if you see online relationships as normal, like maybe consuming porn is like another sort of mediated online
Malcolm:Well, I've also seen like TED Talks that just like drives your sexual drive down as well.
Tana:Watching porn? Mhm. Drives it down? Mhm. That's interesting. I would think it would make you like more
Malcolm:hyped up. You're just not as interested anymore to Really? Like, do it with someone else or something like that.
Tana:That's so, that's so interesting. I would think it would get, like, people, like, kind of, like, hyped up and be like, hey. You know? That's what I'm missing. Yeah. That's really fascinating.
Malcolm:Cause, I mean, you can find whatever interests you online. And I even saw one, one therapist talk about that, uh, um, it was funny cause he was like, uh, He's like, I don't, I hope VR doesn't get, um, haptic feedback, like, people want haptic feedback stuff so you can, like, feel stuff that's happening in a VR game, like, to you. He's like, that's going to kill the, like, population because everyone's haptic feedback
Tana:porn. They won't need actual, like, human contact. Yeah. Isn't that, wasn't that like a, I feel like there was a sci fi movie in the late 80s early 90s that had like it was like a virtual sex thing like that was like what they I feel like Sandra Bullock was in this It's Sylvester Stallone. I don't know. I might be losing my mind. That's an interesting combination. I know. Now I'm like, did I make this up? I'm like, wait a minute. Did I make this up? Maybe it was Judge Dredd? Sandra, Sanda, Bullock, and Sylvester. Demolition Man. I didn't make it up. It was a real thing. Demolition Man. That's so funny. I would not have come up with that name. Demolition Man, Sex Scene.
Malcolm:Oh, you're just straight up looking it up?
Tana:Virtual Sex. Yeah, it says there's virtual sex in it. Yeah.
Malcolm:Even young, younger Sylvester Stallone still doesn't look that young.
Tana:Okay, so yeah, so in this, aha, see, I did not make this up. They each get like a thing that they put on their head and they're like, this is how we're going to have sex. It's virtual. That's weird. Yeah. All right. I didn't just. It's like one of those, what do they call those things when like, it's a collective, like everybody thinks it happened, but it didn't. I'm a mob mentality? No, um, it's like people, I feel like there was like a Sinbad movie where this was a thing. Um, uh, oh my gosh. I can't believe I can't remember. You can hear me typing, but I don't even know what to search for. The Mandela Effect
Malcolm:is an
Tana:observed phenomenon in which a large segment of the population misremembers a significant event or shares a memory of an event that did not actually occur.
Malcolm:It's also a very terrifying horror game.
Tana:So I'm wondering if there's examples because now I want to remember what the Sinbad thing was. Oh yeah, that's one of the automatic fillers. Um, Shazam starring Sinbad. That was it. There's this collective memory that there was a movie called Shazam starring Sinbad. It was about a genie named Shazam. Okay. And like, people in my generation are like, We swear this happened! We swear this was a movie! But there's no record of it ever occurring. That's weird. I think maybe there was like, The, the actual thing was like, A Genie movie called like, Kazam, with Shaq or something like that? What's Shaq? Oh my gosh. I don't know. It's, it is kind of a funny thing. Yeah, one of the most well known examples of the Mandela Effect is the collective memory of a movie called Shazam! that starred the actor comedian Sinbad in the 1990s. In fact, no such movie exists, although there was a children's movie called Kazam! starring Shaquille O'Neal. So that must be it. Wow, you literally just nailed it on the head. Yeah, so, um, I thought this was, this, this part's funny. Even more confusing, there is, there now is a movie series based on the DC Comics hero Shazam, although it does not star Sinbad. Um, but it's funny because Kazam starring Shaquille O'Neal, but everybody swears it was Shazam starring Sinbad. Like, that's so, like, that's such a funny
Malcolm:I wonder if that stuff will happen less now because of the internet.
Tana:Oh, uh, maybe. Many, oh, I didn't know this one. Many people remember Pikachu, a Pokemon character, as having a black tipped tail. I could have sworn that was a thing. Never has.
Malcolm:I think it's black at the bottom and then it's yellow at the top.
Tana:Maybe. That's how
Malcolm:I've
Tana:always remembered it. That's funny. Oh, there's um.
Malcolm:Yeah, it's like brown at the bottom and then it goes up to yellow. Okay. As he has black tipped ears.
Tana:Interesting. But. Huh. Okay. Anyway, sorry. Back to, what were we talking about? Porn. Oh, sure, okay, let's do it. That's exactly what I want to talk about with my son. Uh,
Malcolm:haptic feedback. Haptic feedback porn. Yes.
Tana:Oh, you know, I think I'm good. Being the end of humanity. I think I'm good on that topic, I think. So anyway. Anyway, Valentine's Day.
Malcolm:Yeah, drugs, porn, sex. Welcome to Valentine's
Tana:Day. Yeah, sounds like a, sounds like a good holiday. Apparently
Malcolm:not, it's my
Tana:generation. It's not for your generation. Um. Oh, that's funny. Yeah. Yeah,
Malcolm:no, our, uh, I don't know what's up with our generation for a lot of things. But. Man, we get, we get accused of a lot of
Tana:stuff. Millennials got accused. I mean, Millennials killed everything. Yeah, that was like always the headline. Millennials killed this. And then Gen Z doesn't want to pick up any of the pieces. No. I mean, fair enough. Well, you can't afford to. I mean, you can't afford to. That's true. What did I just, I just read something the other day about like housing and it was basically like y'all have no chance. Like, housing is just unaffordable. It's expensive. If you want to own. If you want to own. And well, plus, I mean, actually, apartments aren't cheap to
Malcolm:rent here. Are you kidding me? There's like no level of luxury that you can have if you even want to rent a place. No,
Tana:there's not. I actually, I kind of wonder if this will push, first of all, it's already beginning to push like worker revolution type stuff, which is cool. But, um, I also kind of wonder if this will push back more into like communal living. Like, maybe Um, well, I mean, already you and Shelby live with us. I think
Malcolm:we're, I think we're going to see the return of multi generational housing. I think you're
Tana:right. I mean, we're already experiencing that right now with us. Yeah. Uh, I mean, you two live here, um, and that's mostly because you can't afford a place of your own. Yeah.
Malcolm:Um. And, and the thing is, like, the way that society is now, we have to be able to afford a car too, which are also insane. Right. We have to. So, um, I would be able to, um, afford internet, which is also
Tana:expensive. Yeah, there's a lot more that's required, quote unquote, to live that, like, just wasn't before.
Malcolm:I mean, it, there are definitely things where, like, you can get away with not, like, getting internet or data, but, It's honestly, like, so hard to live in today's life without Because there's gonna be so many instances People expect you to be accessible. Yeah, there's gonna be so many instances where people Will ask you something or your job will ask you of something that you need to do. Yeah. On the internet or something. Even if that's something as simple as just like logging onto your banking stuff, right?
Tana:Yeah. To, or logging on to find out your schedule. Yeah. Like, and there are some people that live
Malcolm:without internet and they'll just go to a coffee shop or something, or library Yeah. And just sit down and do that. Yeah. But yeah, especially
Tana:college students. Yeah. But, but I mean, every aspect is more expensive. Groceries are more expensive. You know, uh, cars are more expensive, gas is more expensive, housing is
Malcolm:more expensive. Getting a job. Because if I wanted to work at anything that needed a degree or I needed some level of education, then that means I need to pay thousands of dollars to just go somewhere to learn things. Yeah, college
Tana:costs are out of hand.
Malcolm:I don't understand because, you know, the internet was supposed to make knowledge more accessible, so I don't understand how the fuck we got to the point where Knowledge is harder to obtain.
Tana:Yeah, well, I would argue knowledge isn't harder to obtain. Degrees are harder to obtain. Yes, yes. And that is for a lot of people what proves you have the knowledge. However, I will say I'm seeing more and more companies eliminate the whole, you have to have a bachelor's degree requirement. A lot of stuff
Malcolm:is experienced
Tana:now. Yeah. Um, and you can work your way up. I mean, even, you know, your uncle did that, um, worked his way up, um, doing computer stuff and, you know, um, never got a college degree. Uh, so, um, and that was at a time when college degrees were more expected, you know, so, um, it's still possible. It's still possible. It's just, um, You know, there's still some places that aren't on board with that kind of stuff. But, yeah, I feel bad for your generation, honestly, because it's just, everything's going to be hard. Like, it was harder for us, it was harder then for Millennials, and it's harder still for you. Like, I feel like it's gotten progressively worse for each generation. Like, you know. Hey, well, at least we were progressive. Yay! Like, even, like, within my generation. I feel like older Gen Xers have an easier time. Our generation isn't
Malcolm:having kids. We just don't want to fucking put people in
Tana:this damn world. Well, I mean, actually that wouldn't surprise me because I think your generation is also like the most depressed. Yeah. But it's just not, it's not as easy. Um, my parents generation had a much easier time affording housing. Oh. Oh. Cars, everything. And then, um, even though things have gotten more expensive, they had way more time to build wealth, you know, to be able to withstand. Now some of them are having their retirements depleted and stuff like that, and that's bad, but A lot of stuff now is luck. Oh my gosh, so much is luck, and that's just so irritating to me when people don't recognize that there is a factor of luck involved. Like, yes, you can make a lot of smart decisions and put yourself in a good position, but then you could be unlucky and yeah, you could get laid off. Yeah. Um, and then have a difficult time finding a job.
Malcolm:The amount of people that have worked their way up and then AI came through and people got fired just because AI came through. Oh my
Tana:gosh. There's so many firings. Google. None of those
Malcolm:people did anything, anything wrong. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And just things change. Yeah. And now they, a lot of them, I bet had a really hard time finding a job because you've just had. Thousands of people get laid off across a shit ton of companies. Yes. And they're all trying to Tens of thousands, yeah. Trying to find a
Tana:new job. Yeah, I mean, I experienced that. I went a year and a half without work. And, um, Took me a
Malcolm:few months. And I'm a frontline position. Yeah. Although, I was right that as soon as I hit January, it was gonna be easy because all of
Tana:the The college students went back to school?
Malcolm:Yeah, and so all of the places that I had applied to were like, Hey, are you still interested? Yeah.
Tana:Yeah. So. Yeah. So. Meh. Well, we'll do what we can to help, but I really feel bad for your generation. Thanks, I guess. Can't afford stuff and not interested in having sex to relieve the stress that comes with all that
Malcolm:stuff. We're just walking bottles of stress. Yeah. Uh, yeah, I think we're at the same, I think my generation's at the same mental capacity. Um, on average, as the like, worst, uh, asylum patients in the 70s.
Tana:That's fantastic. Yeah.
Malcolm:Although asylums also kind of took people that didn't need to be.
Tana:Oh, well, that's a whole other topic, yeah.
Malcolm:So, who knows which part of that is the bad part, but. Right,
Tana:right. Yeah, yeah. Oh, man. Well, that was, this was an uplifting topic. Happy Valentine's Day! Happy Valentine's Day! Go eat some candy hearts and, and. No, they're gross. Give a flower to somebody. Or some chocolates. Eat some chocolates. Yeah, there you go. Chocolates always good. Unless you're allergic, then sorry. Oh, yeah, then I really, I really feel bad for you if you're allergic to chocolate, because chocolate is amazing.
Malcolm:Yeah, no kidding. Way to rub it
Tana:in. Yeah. On that note, well, well, time to go.