There's a little bit of everything in this episode! From talk about the total solar eclipse to a failed Facebook ad experiment to the lack of good discussions online to life as a content creator to the winding road that took Republicans from claiming to be "defenders" of truth to utterly destroying it... *Phew*
There's a little bit of everything in this episode! From talk about the total solar eclipse to a failed Facebook ad experiment to the lack of good discussions online to life as a content creator to the winding road that took Republicans from claiming to be "defenders" of truth to utterly destroying it... *Phew*
We're just gonna hear skittering throughout the episode. The cat's on a tear. Anyway, how you doing? Eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh. Yeah. I'm pretty freaking exhausted myself. I, um, after we're done, I'm gonna go take a nap, which is a rare thing for me. In fact, uh, used to. Really make my mother mad because when I was little, I stopped napping at a very young age and I would take like, if I did take naps and they were very short, I would stay up really late, which is still a problem. I don't know why I seem to hate sleep because I really need it. But, um, my body's like, nope. Um, but I'm going to try because this is, this is bad. It's one of the worst it's been in a while. Yeah. I'm very, very sleep deprived.
Malcolm:I just, I haven't been sleeping as well just cause Shelby's been on vacation for the past couple of weeks and you know, before Shelby, I always had June, our old dog,
Tana:to snuggle with in bed. She's like a weighted blanket. And then,
Malcolm:there was like a small overlap between June passing and Oh, and Shelby moving in. Yeah, and so like, I haven't, like, not had someone in my bed for 15 years
Tana:This sounds like such a such a thing like a player would say I haven't had it
Malcolm:You can't even say it
Tana:My bed is always full No I never sleep alone You know what? I didn't think about it. I should have given you my um, gigantic red panda You I mean,
Malcolm:that's not as helpful. I kind of love it
Tana:because it's like, I feel like it's bigger than an actual red panda.
Malcolm:It probably is.
Tana:It looks like it's bigger than a red panda, like a real one. It's less ferocious though. Definitely. Cause red pandas are super ferocious. Actually, um, I've been debating what I'm going to do for the, um, total solar eclipse, because we're in the path of totality as you know. And, um, I know the zoo's having like events that day and such. And I was thinking about walking over there and, um, just like hanging out with the red pandas. Cause I've heard that animals get kind of weird around the eclipse. And so I was like, well, I want to see what the red pandas are going to do, you know? But if it's really crowded, like Uh, I'll probably just walk home.
Malcolm:It's probably cause it's like eerie lighting in the middle of the day. Yeah. Yeah.
Tana:I'm really kind of, I'm really, really curious about it. Uh, I wish I could kind of predict, um, because honestly it sounds like such an interesting experience and I'd really like to just have like silence around me and experience it, you know? Um, But my fear of going to the zoo is there's going to be like kids yelling. And, you know,
Malcolm:I feel like I could probably tell you a quieter area of the zoo, but I can't think
Tana:of one. Well, my plan was to go over earlier on and sort of walk around and see what they have going on and just getting like a feel for how crowded it is. And then if it's pretty crowded, then, you know, I'll just walk home. And, you
Malcolm:know, there's like the back area of the aquarium or the one side of the, uh, primate forests that don't really
Tana:have a lot of people. That's usually pretty deserted.
Malcolm:That's like next to the um, aviary food place.
Tana:Yeah, actually the Red Panda area usually isn't that crowded. The only problem is it's right next to the splash pad. Yeah. But it's probably not going to be very Hey, maybe
Malcolm:the kids will get quiet too.
Tana:Ooh, what's going on? I think, but it's not, it's probably not going to be warm enough that You know, the splash pad is gonna be like filled with
Malcolm:I don't think they're probably not gonna be opening the splash pad until it's consistently
Tana:warm. That makes sense, yeah. That makes sense. But yeah, I, I, I'm, I'm really curious how this is all gonna pan out because, you know, they, the, the mayor and other city officials and everything are just like, you know, be prepared. It's going to get crowded, you know, cause we're in the path of totality. Yeah. I'm guessing
Malcolm:that sounds like some kind of like apocalypse
Tana:thing. The
Malcolm:path of totality. I don't know. I, I think it's cool, but also like, eh, for me, I don't, I don't really care that much. I'm just going to work on it. And I'm probably going to be working downtown, which is going to be super flooded with traffic. So I might, I might,
Tana:uh, Oh no, I have it on do not disturb. What the heck? Anyway, sorry. Uh, so. Yeah, yeah, I can see that because I can see how like being like near the river would be kind of cool plus There's not a lot of trees blocking your view, you know, and then that kind of stuff So I know a lot
Malcolm:of rooftop
Tana:Sure. Yeah, there's probably like rooftop restaurants hosting.
Malcolm:It wouldn't surprise me if someone rented out the baseball stadium, too
Tana:Oh, well, actually the Mud Hens Opening weekend is happening as we're recording this. So I don't know if they'll even have a game that night and maybe have like a pregame thing or something. I don't know. I really don't know what's going to, to go on. But yeah, at first I was like, I don't care. Like whatever. It's an eclipse. But then I was talking with a friend of mine. who is like a traveler. And, um, you know, she, she's really into all kinds of different things. She's a very interesting individual. And she was like, Oh my gosh, I'm traveling to Texas to be like in the path of totality. And I was like, Oh, you know, and then she was telling me, there's like, Oh, this happens and animals get real quiet. And, and the, the air gets like this. And like, and I'm like, okay, well now you made it sound really cool. And now I want it. So, cause I mean, really at first I was just kind of like, okay, eclipse, woo, you know, but probably cause I've only seen partial ones. So I'll
Malcolm:probably end up watching a bunch of science videos on it, but actually experiencing it myself doesn't really interest me that much.
Tana:Yeah, uh, it's kind of funny because your dad is traveling out of town, out of the path of totality on the day. So he's like, this is, what? It's like actually going through our place, we don't have to even move, just walk outside
Malcolm:when it happens. I just wish that since we knew it was going to be really busy in downtown, that I would make time and a half.
Tana:That would be nice. That would be nice. Maybe you'll get like a ton of tips though if people are just like popping in to get coffee while they're walking around. Oh, I'll
Malcolm:probably make a lot of money for sure, but I mean time and a half is always more money, so I'll take that.
Tana:Sure, why not? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so yeah, so that's interesting. That'll be um, that'll be cool. Um, I had, I wanted to talk about something. Uh, I, oh my gosh. Okay, so we, uh, the last episode we published before this one was about how to ask a good question. I was waiting for you to be like, Uhhuh, but Okay. Um,
Malcolm:trying to be a good listener.
Tana:Geez. Uh, and. I felt like it was one of our better episodes. I really enjoyed it. I feel like it was, um, high energy, really interesting conversation. We had a lot of laughter, you know, I felt, I felt like it was really good. And so, and it was also a really, Interesting question, you know. Um, huh? I said, ha ha. Ha ha. So I was like, you know what, I wonder what would happen if I would boost a Facebook post. Like if, uh, I always put the YouTube link in the actual post. Um, you know, like listen, wherever you get your podcasts or on YouTube. And I just stick the YouTube link there. I wish before boosting it, I would have just put all the links to like the major podcasting things and seeing if it like made our numbers go up or something. But I don't know. I was just kind of curious what would happen, but I didn't want to spend a ton of money, you know? Um, and so it was just like teeny tiny little spend. Let's see what happens. And I'm like, Oh yeah, I forgot the internet. Okay. Like That
Malcolm:thing.
Tana:Yeah. It was like I forgot that people just comment on the posts and don't engage with the content. Yep. Like, all the time with like the New York Times and Washington Post and whatever, there's a newspaper article and it's like, you know, here's the headline, and then, you know, and people just comment on the headline, and, and, you know, it's like, If you've actually read the article, you're reading the comments, you're like, it is clear they didn't read the article. Like, cause they're just taking an assumption from what the headline is. Right? So like the very first comment was like, be sure to include proper punctuation. I was like, that is not, no, like nine times out of 10, if you're asking a question, you're, you're just saying it verbally. You know, so what should I be like, so Malcolm comma, how was your day? Question mark. Like, it was just such a weird. And then another one was saying, don't use a lot. And it was just, I was so disappointed. Like, it was just so disappointing to me that there was, I guess I was hoping that we would reach people and have an engaging conversation in the comments about good questions. But instead it was just mostly a bunch of stuff like that. Or, uh, or like two people were like, don't ask questions, you know? Uh, what else, what else was there? There was one person who said, well, that's a good question. So I thought that was funny. But, um, and then of course there was somebody who's, who said, there's no good or bad questions. It's just like, there's no. right or wrong questions and, or, or whatever. And false. Yeah. Yeah. So it was, It was just, it was such an interesting exercise for me. And I will say I did go to YouTube and see that there were a couple people who clicked through the post to go to listen. And so, um, there, there were a few, but it's, it's not like, you know, any more people liked our page or liked our YouTube channel or subscribed. I mean, you know what I mean? It doesn't hurt to try them. Yeah. I mean, it doesn't hurt to try, but And, and honestly, I did such a tiny little amount that who knows if I, you know, if we decided that we were really going to invest in some sort of campaign and, and I did it on a whim. So I probably could have come up with a better wording, you know, uh, more, something more engaging or, Maybe had some specific call to action. I don't think it would have changed anyone's comments. Yeah, right. But yeah, but that made me think of a bigger issue, which is that I just feel like everything we do in society now is reactionary and shallow. That's,
Malcolm:I think that's been pretty consistent with most of life.
Tana:Well, your life. You've grown up in the inter age. Yeah,
Malcolm:I still feel like it was before. I don't, I mean, I guess I don't know for sure, but Yeah, I was
Tana:gonna say, how do you know?
Malcolm:But like, that's just, people just don't think through things, ever. And that's not, that's not a recent thing. That's just a, people want to get their information out as fast as they can. And people like to be, like, smart about it. And the only way to appear smart about it is if you respond immediately and with something that you feel like you are, you already know better than the people who are doing it. And I don't think that's anything
Tana:new. Yeah. That was actually one of the responses was you ask a good question by already knowing the answer. And I said, funny enough, we said that was a bad question. Yeah, it is. How does that even make sense? I don't, I don't know. Some people just don't think. Well, and that's, that's the thing. They, they didn't engage with the content at all to be able to, you know, respond in a manner that would have felt good to us, I think. Yeah. But also there was enough information, I think, in the post that should have Could have led to a good conversation if, you know, the kind of person who wanted to do that came across the post. But everything now, uh, with social media in particular, is, I just want to leave my quick, quippy little comment, or I want to be rude, or whatever. That's
why
Malcolm:I don't think, I don't think the internet has really changed human behavior much besides smaller attention span. I think that that is something that the internet has changed. But I think for the most part the internet has just amplified everything because there's way more access to everything. So now instead of whoever in the city you are talking to about a newspaper is talking back to you, then you'll only get their reaction. But on the internet, if you see the newspaper, or in this case, an article, and then you just, you see there are hundreds of comments.
Tana:Oh gosh, and they're usually Inane. Yeah, and
Malcolm:so I think before there were still hundreds of people that were reacting to it the same way. But they had to write
Tana:a letter to the editor in order
Malcolm:to it. Yeah, then only the editor would see it and not everybody else. Right,
Tana:they would choose which ones to share and who's also gonna go through that effort. Yeah. You know, like only certain people are gonna go through that effort. I guess the equivalent before the internet would have been, you know, a couple people having a conversation about that news article and someone walking up, what are you talking about? Oh, we're talking about the, the, this war here, blah, blah, blah. Oh, well, this president's an idiot. And then walking away, you know, like it's that, that'd probably be the equivalent. It's just that you're, you're right. The internet has given a broader stage for that stuff to happen. Um, for more people all at once. But I also wonder if that as a whole, just if that's going to kind of degrade conversation as a whole, like even outside of that, you know what I'm saying? Like kind of make that the norm for good conversation. And so maybe good conversation won't like eventually it just won't, it'll be, it'll be less and less. common even outside of that space? I don't know if I formed my question properly. I don't know. I didn't track it. Which is, which is funny given the last episode. Like, will the, will the effects, effects of the internet spill into offline life, basically?
Malcolm:I mean, probably to some degree, but I think that, that's, that's I think for some people it matures people, and for some people it immatures people. That's probably
Tana:true.
Malcolm:Cause I think some people see that and are just like, why, why would I want to be like that? True. And then other people see that and are like, Ha! I'm gonna do that
Tana:now. I mean, there always have been people who just like to mess with people, no matter what.
Malcolm:I think the true effects of the internet we're going to see in Because I'm technically Gen Z, but I'm like on the edge and I think I'm on the edge I think it'll mostly be the like Main group of Gen Z that has like truly truly grown up only on the internet Oh, right that we're going to see the actual effects of the internet on our society through because already, you know a lot of those immature comments and stuff like that are going to be from um Kids or teenagers or whatever that don't know what they're talking about. They just think that they have some some little bit of information that everyone else doesn't have and so then they comment.
Tana:Well, unfortunately, there's a lot of adults that don't grow out of that. I mean, just go to any political post and you'll see, and, and they love to spread the conspiracy theories that they hear from people who are saying those conspiracy theories to make money and then, you know, their audience believes it and then they go and they post and they go, well, This politician is actually drinking the blood of children, you know, and they and it's it's worthless commenting. It's Not a true thing and and it just degrades the conversation overall I Guess I guess I don't understand why Why, why comment on something if it's not going to somehow add to the conversation in a meaningful way? And the meaningful doesn't even necessarily have to be, like, glowingly positive. You know, it could be corrective, like, Hey, I don't know if you realize this, but you just used a racist slur. Maybe you might want to think about rewording this, or, you know, um, Mm hmm. That's not going in and being like, hey, good job, pal, you know, but it's also not just coming on and being like, you're a dick, you know.
Malcolm:The problem is, is if you want to fight something on the internet too, it's, you don't actually make it better. Because as soon as you comment on someone's thing, it suddenly boosts their confidence. Their comment or post or whatever it is and makes it more accessible to other people. That's true. And so it's just like a lose lose situation. So I, the best thing is just to report things.
Tana:But that feel, that honestly feels like a losing battle too. It's like, you know. I've gotten
Malcolm:plenty of people banned from things, from being stupid or
Tana:Good for you. Assholes. Um Yeah. It's just, I don't know, I guess it just makes me sad. I don't know why it made me so sad. It was just, I guess I had these silly hopes that, oh, we could have a really cool conversation about questions. And, you know, I think part of it, I think part of it is because this I, this was also happening at the same time that I was reading a couple different people posted this thing about being an artist nowadays and how it used to be that if you just kind of plugged away at your art and, you know, made connections in a natural way. you could like kind of find your audience. And now it's like, well, you have to have all these social media pages and you have to like be a self promoter and you have to do this. And so it's like, you can't just be an artist. You also have to be like an influencer. And I feel, I feel like there's a certain extent to that with us too. I mean, we, we were just like, this would be fun. And if people listen, cool. But if we. wanted to grow this, we would, we would constantly be on the hunt for There's
Malcolm:so much non profit work that would need to be done until you can actually make a profit. Right.
Tana:And also to, to, uh, it's, I, I, I gotta wonder what the percentages of people who have any kind of significant, significant following can live off of that money. I mean, Mr. Beast is the exception, right? Like he is, he is exceptional. Like he's just ridiculous. Uh, for every, you know, for, you know, I was gonna say for every Mr. Beast, I guess for every Mr. Beast, there's what, thousands of people who can't get by on, you know, they can't get their videos noticed or whatever. And, and just the idea, and I've considered this a lot, a lot of different times. I've thought, uh, well, it'd be cool if our, if our podcast got popular and, and, uh, and we could just make a living doing this, and then we could add this and add that. And the, the work that's needed to make that happen just sounds exhausting because it's like we would have to constantly look at our lives in terms of content. And I, and, and that was something that occurred to me when I was watching, um, I like this one, uh, couples, um, content and they, uh, recently, you know, shared a pregnancy announcement and, and it, and it, I was like, wow, that's so personal. Like, it was so, it was so personal. They recorded the part where she took the pregnancy test and the moment she found out, you know, so it wasn't I wouldn't even be thinking about that. Yeah. See, me neither. And, um, But they did. And, and I just thought, I don't, I don't think I could, I want to live my life that way. I
Malcolm:mean, some people do, some people don't. Some people just, you know, announce
Tana:it later. Yeah. And that was what another couple I follow did. They, in fact, it was so funny cause they sort of just casually dropped it in a video. And I don't know if they intended to do that or not, but it was just like in the middle of a conversation. She was like, well, and since I'm pregnant, I can't blah, blah, blah. And, and there were like so many comments that were like, um, sorry, what now? You know? Um, but you know, and I, and I have to admit, I enjoy the like couple and family things where it's kind of like, We get little glimpses into their lives and stuff, but I don't know, I guess I'm just not the type of person who's cut out to make that, make that my living, let's say. Yeah. Like me, I can do a thing here or there and I can talk with you once a week and we can post it. Um, but yeah, anyway.
Malcolm:Yeah, I do not. It's kind of funny because I want to say I do not want to live my life on the internet, but I also play so much, so many video games.
Tana:Well, okay. You, there's, I think there's a difference between live your life on the internet and being on the internet a lot. I guess that's fair. Like to me, living your life on the internet is like, it's on display. Yeah. You know? So it's like. The internet equivalent of being in a reality TV show. You know? So yeah, I don't know. I guess, I guess it just, I guess the whole thing, like this whole sort of artificial thing we have with social media is just sort of bumming me out because it's just like, it's so fake. And you know, And the people who want someone to, you know, to see their art or get their comedy, like a lot of comedians are getting attention this way now. Um, you know, they have to, they have to do all these things to kind of, um, stay in front of people. And it's not even like, Oh, it's good enough to create good videos because then the algorithm comes into play. You know, and the algorithm, it really, like, I've, I've, I've seen so many creators be like, okay, so now TikTok tweaked its algorithm and now it's doing this. And like, and there was like one point I was like, I haven't seen this creator in a while. And then I went to their page and they did a video on like how they're like, I don't understand why all of a sudden my videos are like, the views are down and like, you know, and there was one time, um, I went on TikTok. It's because
Malcolm:TikTok is horrible. TikTok is one of the worst apps out there, but everyone uses it. Right. But it's such a toxic
Tana:app. It is, I don't, I think they run it terribly. I love a lot of the videos on there. I like the creators I follow. I'm going to see if stuff like Any of them have YouTube channels, um, in case the, they just get off of TikTok or TikTok goes away. But, um, I hope TikTok goes away, but it Um, I, one time I opened it and it, it had, it had been at least a day since I had opened it. It may have been more, and I, I flipped through on my, my following page. I flipped through five videos and it said, you're all caught up. And I was like. I am definitely not all caught up. You know what I mean? I'm like, I am sure that the people I follow have done more than five videos amongst all of them in the last 24 hours. And so then I started going and picking, like, just picking random people I follow and seeing, and like, some of them had done like three videos. And I was just like, what the hell? What the hell, TikTok?
Malcolm:Have you seen the TikTok Hates Hard Work from Dan Paffenmeier?
Oh,
Tana:Dan, yeah, yeah, yes I did, yeah. I mean, and he's right, it's I mean, yeah,
Malcolm:anyway. Cause there are people that live their entire lives on social media and some of that is on Tik Tok and then they'll suddenly just get cut out by Tik Tok out of nowhere.
Tana:It's weird. It's, and nobody really knows why and like what happens, like why it changes its algorithm. Because their algorithm is
Malcolm:shit. Like it's probably just not built well at all to any capacity, but people still go on it because the people that they like are on it. Now. And the thing I really don't understand about that stuff is that like 99 percent of the time it's on YouTube as well. And YouTube is such an amazing platform, at least in comparison to TikTok, that I don't understand why people don't just go on YouTube.
Tana:Yeah. Well, that's what I'm doing. I'm, I'm now moving and, and looking through my things and going, okay, is this person on YouTube? Is this person on YouTube? Or they might do Instagram reels or something. Um, cause, but.
Malcolm:TikTok as well, uh, doesn't like anything being used of theirs externally. So you can't watch, like when you send someone a link, even though it shows you that there's a video on the link, you can't press the video. Uh, I've been able
Tana:to do that. A lot of things don't let you do it. Well, I have TikTok. Nevermind. Uh,
Malcolm:no, but like, I mean, if you click the video itself, it's not that it does, if it doesn't take you to TikTok, it doesn't let you watch it. Or if it takes you to the website of TikTok, the website of TikTok is also crap, and it wants you to get the app. Yeah, it's weird. Yeah. Everything just wants you to get the app of TikTok to make them money. Right, yeah. So, it's just, it's honestly TikTok, I'm pretty sure TikTok started off as a scam, and I'm pretty sure it's still kind of a scam. But people use it, so.
Tana:Well, they're now trying to, the Congress is now trying to outlaw it because it's owned by a Chinese company and they think they're spying on us.
Malcolm:I mean, I think that's a little absurd, but I'm fine if they ban TikTok.
Tana:I really
Malcolm:dislike it. It also just steals so many people's lives. Like people will just sit on it for hours on end, just staring at TikTok.
Tana:To be fair, they'll do that on other apps too.
Malcolm:I really don't. It bores me to all hell to be doing stuff like
Tana:that. Yeah. Well, the funny thing is your dad said he read a thing about TikTok and he's saying that the, um, I forget what the Chinese version of it is called. It's not called TikTok. It's called something else. Um, but he said that their algorithm is so different from ours and that they get, um, Um, their videos are more so like, here's an educational thing. Like it's all about, It's all about science
Malcolm:and, uh, well actually it's just
Tana:all educational and stuff like you said. Improving your knowledge and all this stuff. And we get, you know, People dancing in a random fucking room. And, uh, like pranks and, and stuff like that. Some of that also
Malcolm:just speaks to America.
Tana:I mean, that's the thing. I was like, okay, so then, Is that the algorithm because that's what Americans want? Or was that like, he, he was like, he, he, I think he said, like, the author was insinuating, like, this was a way, like China was trying to like, keep Americans dumb. I was like, ah, I don't know. Like on one hand, I'm like, that sounds kind of ridiculous. But on the other hand, I'm like, I don't know, Russian and Russia did a whole misinformation campaign during the 2016 election.
Malcolm:I would say when, I don't entirely like the phrase, knowledge is power, but to a certain extent it is correct, and a lot of campaigns that have been done between countries to essentially cut off a level of education from another country have always been successful. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. And TikTok just sucks so many people in to stare at their phone for three hours, watching dumb videos about stuff
Tana:all the time. You know, speaking and dumb
Malcolm:trends too, like people stealing Kias or people stealing urinals. It's always dumb, stupid trends. Crime trends. No, literally. Geez. Like, like, graffiti on things, stealing things. Um, like that's why there was so many stolen I'm pretty sure it was Kia's. There were so many stolen Kia's because there was a popular TikTok video of someone showing how all you have to do is plug in a USB into the into the car in a certain spot and it'll start the car and you can drive it. Oh my. Yep. Wow. And it actually happened to one of my co workers and the person drove it into a, uh, streetlamp, I believe. Oh no. And then stole a bunch of stuff out of her backseat and Oh no.
Tana:Yep. That sucks. Oh geez. That's, oh my god. To their I feel like that, like they would track down that user if possible. And I don't know, whatever.
Malcolm:Well it doesn't matter because then a bunch of people record themselves doing it. Which is dumb. And then go
Tana:and Let me record myself doing a crime.
Malcolm:It happens all the time.
Tana:Uh, yeah it does. The amount of people who record themselves doing things that are, you know, it's kind of funny. Incriminating. Yeah. Um, the thing I've noticed strangely though on, on Facebook lately is, So like, what kind of annoys me is if a friend of mine posts a video, and I go to watch it, then it immediately starts playing other videos. And I'm like, no, I just wanted to watch this one video that my friend posted. I don't want to get into this pattern of videos, right? Um, Or sometimes they have the ones like that kind of just show up in the feed or whatever. And, um, and I'm like, like the little pause thumbnail is, is I'm like, well, what's that? And the video is like nothing. It's, it's, it's, I've never seen this before. And all of a sudden there, I'm seeing so many of these, it's like someone, um, I can't even think of one. Like someone is holding a plate. And maybe they like wave their hand over it and you think like, Oh, what are they going to do? Is it going to be a pretend magic trick or something? And then they put the plate down and the video ends. And you're like, what was the point of that? But like, What? It's,
Malcolm:it's all a scam. Like, it's, everything is just a scam with that stuff. Like, the, the YouTube channel that I always see recommended to me, even though I never watch any of their videos because I know it's a scam, still pop up. Oh,
Tana:ScreenRant? ScreenCulture. ScreenCulture, yes. They make
Malcolm:the ScreenRant is an actual YouTube channel. ScreenCulture is Makes fakes trailers
Tana:for all. Yeah. The fake trailer. I hate that. Yeah. You know what, I, I actually eventually block them or whatever you could do to on YouTube.
Malcolm:I didn't even know you could do that, so I might have to do that. I also don't use, I don't watch much YouTube, so, but I always, I think it, I always watch the new trailers because like Right. Some of the only notifications I have turned on for YouTube are for. Um, certain entertainment companies that will release trailers for stuff I might actually watch. Yeah, and they're the legit
Tana:trailers. Yeah. No, um, it was on my home page, I don't think it was like a blocking, but um, I think there was, you could click on something and it said like, don't show this on my home page anymore or something like that. Gotcha. From this channel.
Malcolm:Yeah, it still gets hundreds of thousands of viewers. Yeah. It does. Some people also just don't pay attention. I don't, there is a certain level of like, people not paying attention that I do not understand as well. Cause I've got a feeling that so many people that watch that stuff, click it the same time over and over again, always assuming it's going to be another trailer. And then either they believe it, which is extra stupid, but, uh, It's not
Tana:just stupid, it's extra stupid.
Malcolm:It is extra stupid. But. Also, it's, it's like, you must have not been paying attention to the name that you keep clicking on the same people every single time. I know, it's, it's well done as well because they clearly get enough viewers that they can make enough money to make the trailers over and over again.
Tana:And that's one of the things I hate. It's like, it's, it's like one of the things that annoys me about society. I, I just. I hate it. I, I, I hate that people could just make money off of being predatory in that way. That's
Malcolm:why, like, the whole, uh, arguments for, uh, or some arguments for, like, the freedom of speech stuff annoy me so much. Cause I'm like, but there are just some truly, like, Like, things that will hurt us as a society that you need to shut up. Oh, I know. But then the problem is that the people that will get in charge of that stuff will then start shutting up people that are telling true things about I
Tana:know. And so there's
Malcolm:just like a whole Yeah. Cause like, freedom of speech, I agree to, to a certain extent. Right. Like, the freedom of consistently making the same incorrect Like, spreading misinformation is insane. Like, I feel like if there was almost like a, like a, not a contingency, but like a, um, if it's misinformation, then this just doesn't apply to
Tana:you. So here's something interesting I observed over the last several election cycles. So when, some, at some point before Mitt Romney was the, one of the political, I keep wanting to say contestants because I can't think of the word, um, running for president. Uh, the Republican party was going on and on about how, Uh, this post modern thinking, this moral relativism, and everything was going to destroy our country because we were
Malcolm:no longer How dare we evolve
Tana:our thinking? Well, we were no longer concerned about truth. Truth didn't matter anymore. Why do we care about truth? Like, are we, we don't, we don't care enough about truth. And, and they were presenting themselves as the guardians of that, right? Then we get to the Romney, Ryan, Obama, And, uh, Romney and Ryan launch an attack on fact checkers. And they I do remember that. And they, they start going, well, we don't need fact checkers, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah. And they start this thing that, you know, and before that, sites like Snopes and, you know, things that were debunking things were, you know, Really relatively non political sites. People used them on both sides. Yeah. To go, Oh, this is or is not true. And they started going, well, fact checkers, fact checkers. They're terrible. They're terrible. So first we got that. How do you even
Malcolm:do that? How do you even turn That on fact
Tana:checkers. A lot, a lot of rhetoric and you get people repeat it and you get places like Fox news and OAN and Newsmax to repeat it to people who that's their only source of news and they hear it repeated enough. And then they began to believe it. And so then, so then I started to notice like in like Facebook groups, Posts and stuff like that, you know, somebody would be like, this isn't true and put a Snopes link and somebody like, Snopes, that left wing, blah, blah, blah. And I was like, what? And we still get that. Yeah. Well, we still, but I started to see that, like, you know, I was like, okay, then you get the Clinton Trump election. And Trump just throws truth out the window. He just says whatever the heck he wants to say. Whenever he wants to say it, he changes whatever, like he, he says one thing that he says, he never said it. And then he says another thing he just flat out lies. But then again, He has political pundits from news stations and then other people just holding him up because, you know, um, the, the very people who ran against him then flip and go, I support Trump just because they want Republicans in power. And they go, Oh yeah, this guy's great. And they don't hold him to account. So he just lies, flat out lies. And then they come up with the alternative facts thing. Um, so do you remember the inauguration when he said he had the biggest inauguration crowd ever and it was just an obvious lie and we had photos to show and Sean, Sean Spicer, his, um, Communications guy was like, Nope, that's just a lie. Nope. It's not like, you know, and then, uh, Kelly Con, Kellyanne Conway was like, well, what we're presenting to you is a series of alternative facts. And then like that became like throughout Trump's campaign. And then at the beginning of his, his presidency, that all became like a weirdly acceptable thing all of a sudden. So we like from, we went from, uh, Moral relativism and post modern relativism and post modern thought, like, all these things, um, this lack of truth is going to ruin our country to, we have our own set of facts and we are entitled to them. The thing that
Malcolm:I hate about that, as well as the hypocrisy of it, because everyone will be like, Oh, well, you know, Biden should have known better than to make this claim about this thing. And it's like, sure, but then what about the time that Trump said this thing? Oh, well, there is some like really tiny possible science facts behind that being true. The truth and so even though he didn't know the full story about it He still could have just thought about that one thing and made an assumption off of that Well, he should have fucking known better, right? Yeah, and it's like I don't follow politics at all And so the I think for me, that's the thing that bothers me the most because I don't I don't like either of them I don't like any of the candidates Because they're all terrible Hmm but It, I think the thing that annoys me the most between the, the Biden and Trump thing is that so many Trump supporters will say something about Biden. And then if you throw it back at Trump, they'll be like, Oh, but no. Oh
Tana:yeah. There's a great Jordan, Jordan Klepper interview where a woman does that like in real time, like absolutely about the same exact thing. The, the, I saw someone sum it up pretty well and I'm not going to get the exact details, right. But, um, they were like, You know, saying there's two bad choices in this election, um, is, is not the right, you know, is not exactly the right thing to say. He's like, one is like, kind of like, it's like choosing between like, for lunch, like a disappointing ham sandwich and a pile of shit with glass shards in it. He's like, there's no choice there. Uh, you know, so, and that's, and that's what, that's what frustrates me about this. And I get that it is so frustrating that the Democrat party cannot get, It's shit together and have chosen someone without shards and could have chosen someone better than Biden in the first place and could have done something to replace him moving forward.
Malcolm:It'd be nice if either party did that for either of their
Tana:current candidates. Every party just messes that stuff up all the time. But, I, it just frustrates me when people are like, well I'm just not even going to vote, and I'm like, what?
Malcolm:I remember what, what one of them was, uh, I don't remember exactly what it was, but I remember that, you know, a lot of people were blaming Trump for something, and then they were like, no. Uh, it started when, while Obama was president, and then Trump just had to clean, clean it up while he was president. But then, you know, they started saying something similar about Biden, and everyone was like, No, it started with Trump, and then led into Biden's presidency, and they were like, No, no, no, no, no, this is, Biden should have been able to fix this. to fix this
Tana:the funny before and i'm like are you Oh, they blamed obama for a stimulus package that went through before he was president, which I find hilarious that stuff
Malcolm:happens all the time I don't understand. Yeah, one thing that was that was very interesting. That was the new x men 97 series had a whole courtroom thing about mutants and everything like that And then they had a bunch of mutant haters break into the courthouse. And it was definitely a recreation of January
Tana:6th. Yeah, that's, that, that is the one that gets me. I mean, that should have been the final, like, and actually that day, a lot of Republican politicians were like, this is. This is ridiculous. This shouldn't have ever happened. This, you know, and then like two weeks later, they're like, everything's fine, you know, but you know, if it was, you know, Democrats doing it, they would have been like, see, the lawless Democrats are at it again. But anyway, no. All right. So, uh, yeah, that was a, that was a, that was a winding trail. I don't even know how to end. Be careful
Malcolm:what you read on the internet.
Tana:Yeah, okay, we'll start there. Yeah, be careful what you read on the internet. Try to have some in depth conversations, please.
Malcolm:Yes, try to actually find your information instead of just assuming the
Tana:information. Yes, yes, yes. And, um, fact checkers are good.
Malcolm:Yeah, I don't, how have we ever strayed from that?
Tana:It's just been so entertaining. The lack of truth is going to destroy America. They were right. Yeah,
Malcolm:they're the ones who fucking started it.
Tana:So, enjoy our dying democracy. Bye, see you
Malcolm:later. Well
Tana:Uh, it's time to go.