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Who On Earth?
Who On Earth?
The Blue Lions: Sikh Warriors on Sacred Sound, Mantra & Seva | Who On Earth?
Modern-day warrior mystics, vibrating with soul. The Blue Lions are rooted in the ancient Akali Nihang Sikh lineage and channel a powerful spiritual current through the sacred art of Indian Classical music and mantra—steeped in sovereignty, presence, truth, joy, and deep service to all life.
In Season 2, Episode 9 of Who On Earth?, we explore their unique blend of sound and spirit, including the powerful Degh ceremonies they lead—sacred gatherings where medicine, mantra and vibration merge to uplift consciousness. From rare instruments like the Taus to the practice of Seva and the essence of Bhakti, this is a conversation that hums with devotion.
If you’ve ever felt the call to live with more rhythm, reverence, and integrity—this one’s for you.
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And the thing is, we have to go back to a state of non-duality, like oneness, collective togetherness. And having that kind of state of consciousness is more important than ideologies and belief systems that push people apart. Addiction is
SPEAKER_03:not really about the substance, about the chemical, but it's about what is that person trying to escape from. and what is the refuge that he's seeking in this substance. And that's why also the demonization of cannabis or of any plant is always, how is it introduced? How is the interaction shared with the people?
SPEAKER_01:Yes, family, welcome back to Who on Earth? This one's season two, episode nine, and it's a very, very, very special one. To have to sit in with these guys, I was blown away, so I'm very excited to have them on the show. It's Kamarup Singh, and it's also Shamir Singh from the Blue Lions. Who are the Blue Lions, you ask? Well, they are a modern-day warrior mystics from the Akhalin Hang Sikh lineage, which, sorry, guys, I probably just butchered that. And we're talking... I sat with them and it was, we've done Kirtan. So Kirtan's like meditation, mantra music, but very, very, very well done by, these are very talented musicians. Go check them out on Spotify and Apple Music as well. You'll just be sat there and be like, wow. And then also, where it's legal, of course, I sat with them doing Deg ceremony. Deg meaning sacrament and sacrament meaning the cannabis plant, but done in a reverent way where you do it in meditation, you do it ceremonially, you do it with the Kirtan music and all this, oh, I've done a lot. That was one of the most powerful things and the integration of it just allowed me to just elevate what I'm able to do now. So I won't ruin the episode by going on and on about it. I'll let them do the talking because they're just too special and they'll say it better than I will. Now, I don't know if anybody remembers, but the first batch of Dream Healers went rapid, so quick. And we've now got this new edition, which has also got vanilla pods with it to help, you know, a little bit of sweet to help the medicine go down. And what is a Dream Healer? That's got blue lotus flower. It's got mugwort. It's got bobbin sauna and rose petals and then organic apple cider vinegar, just so there's no alcohol base. And then you take it before bed. And go and research those plants to understand why we've done this. And it's basically to help with the lucidity, the vividness, just this healing factor whilst you're dreaming. So that's pretty cool, right? And then you wake up and it's just this calm feeling. And it might take a little while of just working with it, but it's really good. So we've got that now on the website. It flew last time. So if you want one, please, Meditation with Michael Sharp, get down there. Because they fly. And then check this out. So we decided to make our own Agua de Florida ether spray. So for those who haven't been to my events, this spray that I was always doing, but it had an alcohol base. And I just wasn't happy with that. I'm really about meditation and all that. It's all wellness, isn't it? It's all authentic, natural. So ether spray. Mmm, that smells fresh. Aura cleanser. So that is now available as well. So they're all on the Meditation With Michael website. Feel free to go down, get your own. Don't let my words just ruin it for you because my words are clumsy and they are special and I'm so happy to be getting them out there. Now, before I get you on to the episode, if you could like it, more than appreciate it. If you could share it, well, that actually helps spread the show. I get more crazy guests like, the blue lines, and I want to get people like Alex Serre, like, what is it, Joe Hall, like, I don't, I don't get, like, Gary Neville, Alex Ferguson, Jesus, anything, man, I just want to be able to get the most influential, balanced, interesting stories on this show, so, yeah, anyway, I'll let you just do whatever you want to do, but for now, I think that's Before we get into the episode, we should just say a few words about, you know, they sponsored the show. So if you've seen any episodes, you know what's coming next. Let's hear about Transmute Studio. It's a new season. but it's the same old sponsor, and that's Transmute Studio. Beautiful centre in the centre of Manchester, Northern Quarter. It's got loads of the old stuff like the African drumming, the African dance classes. They've got salsa now as well. They've got the beautiful Arrignani, ceremonial ecstatic dance with wizardry from the show, but also my alter ego DJ Moksha has made an appearance with his new ecstatic dance, Liberation. So, sound baths. Kundalini yoga, candlelit yoga, loads of beautiful events. It's all about wellness, culture, creativity. What's going to do a better job of explaining it than my little mouth is going down to the socials, the website and seeing it for yourself. So I'll put a link in the description. You could maybe come float in one of them hammocks with myself. But for now, guys, enjoy the episode. Peace and love. So thank you for joining me. Now, Who on Earth as I was telling you is very much just the story of the Blue Lions. So it's going to be very much where you've come from. A little warning to the listeners and the viewers. We have got an absolute Christmas party going on downstairs. So we have got a little bit of background. Might have come out in the software. Maybe not. It's all part of the journey. We had it in last night's ceremony, didn't we? So it's interesting how these things occur. But we'll start with yourself. Where is it that you've come from? What was it like growing up for yourself?
SPEAKER_00:Okay. Well, where do I start from? Maybe we start with a mantra?
SPEAKER_01:That would be a great idea. Yeah, let's start with a mantra.
SPEAKER_00:Satsang with Mooji Satsang with Mooji Satsang with Mooji Satsang with Mooji I'm glad you
SPEAKER_01:remembered. I asked you to do it and then I went straight in for the, where'd you come from?
SPEAKER_00:Don't worry, don't worry. So, my name's Kamalup Singh. I'm a doctor by academia in the Sikh community. I'm on a Kali in the Hangsing. So it's a Farlatari Mahakal. And I was born in Northampton, England. And in the late 1990s, I went to India.
SPEAKER_01:Well, I'll tell you what. You said you were born in Northampton.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:How was it growing up then? We weren't the Blue Lions then, were we, of course?
SPEAKER_00:It was... A lot of fun. My childhood was quite happy, I'd say. In fact, I'd say very happy and ecstatic and funny and lots of funny moments that I recall with my sisters and my cousins and friends there. But also difficult in, you know, there's a lot of racism back in those times, like the National Front and kind of always having this, like, feeling safe thing. Okay. And then not quite so safe in those violent times as well.
SPEAKER_01:Have you got any examples of when that happened in your life?
SPEAKER_00:At school, there was a lot of it. People spit at you, you know, call you racist names, discriminate. Like say, if you're going to get picked in a football team, you'd be the last person because nobody wants you in their team. That type of stuff. I mean, I can relate.
SPEAKER_01:It wasn't for that reason. I was just the unpopular kid.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, that type of stuff. But still... It wasn't all bad. It was good. And, yeah, just extreme things like people joyriding their car through our garden fence. And then, you know, yeah, quite kind of like, yeah, quite extreme things. People putting fireworks through the letterbox. And, yeah. But it wasn't all bad, I'd say on the whole, 99% good. But when it was bad, it was stuff that... Made up for it. Yeah, exactly. Stuff you kind of remember. But hey, you know, it's all part of what happened and it's all good.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, it's all character building, but it doesn't stop it having a relevance to where we are now. So I always like to bring that in first. What about yourself?
SPEAKER_03:My story is an interesting one and it has relevance... related to what I do now, what we do now as well. So my parents, my ancestors, my grandparents are all from Punjab, originally from the Pakistani part geographically of Punjab, which was all India before partition. And my dad, he was born and raised in Delhi in a Hindu family. And my mom was born in Punjab, but raised in Singapore in a Sikh family. And they met in Delhi, married in Singapore, and somehow life brought them to Austria. I was born in Singapore, though, and then raised in Austria, lived in Austria for 30 years, did my schooling there, studied physiotherapy in Austria. What
SPEAKER_01:was it like growing up in Austria then? Because 30 years is a long
SPEAKER_03:time. It's a long time, yes. I had a great childhood, to be honest. Like where I grew up was in the mountains of Austria, so surrounded by mountains, by nature, had good friends, did a lot of sports when I was young.
SPEAKER_01:What kind of sports?
SPEAKER_03:I played football, I did skiing, snowboarding as well, a lot of mountain sports. Okay. Yeah. So that was Austria and my childhood was good. There was, compared to what Cam shared, I don't think there was like such of a brutal racist opposition that I was faced with, but definitely there was more skepticism and people... like apart from a few people from turkey there were no really dark skinned people in the part of austria where i was living in the 80s and so people really didn't know where to place us and it was something very new and so it was more like a wondrous asking us if we are from China, although we are very obviously not Chinese. And then later on people being surprised, oh, you speak the language so good. How come do you speak German so well? Like just not necessarily malicious confrontations. There were a few of them, but
SPEAKER_01:yeah. It's more just they didn't know. It wasn't the normality for them. Exactly. Yeah. So for yourself, I know you said that it was pretty much 99%, it was nice. But at some point you ended up leaving Northampton then. Am I missing anything that's quite relevant to your story before we go into this journey that we go on?
SPEAKER_00:No, not really. I mean, I was in a good school and I had good friends at that school. And that was interesting for me, my second school. Okay. where I did my A-levels, that was the first time I met other Indian
SPEAKER_01:people. How was that?
SPEAKER_00:It's interesting because in my first school, there was me, this black guy, and everyone else was indigenous to this land, you can say. I mean, I'm indigenous to this land. I was born here, but I've got a different ethnicity. And to go to a school where there's other Indian people, that was kind of an eye-opener and realizing they had the same story. And then we had the same story in that school, but together. Then it didn't feel so bad. It felt a bit easier. Like camaraderie, like there's somebody else who understands me. Exactly, exactly. And then by that time, things were more easy, I'd say. Like people were realizing this wasn't healthy for the society and people were trying to like be more, I would say, accepting. Because what decade did we say it was? This is like 1990s. Okay. Because I was going
SPEAKER_01:to say when I was growing up, like it was never a thing in my mind even. Yeah. It was like to people nowadays, a lot of them are like, why would you even, why would that matter? That's nonsense.
SPEAKER_00:Exactly. Back then that wasn't. Exactly. Exactly. And then I went off to uni and then I was in, I ended up being in London practically for the next 20 years. Okay. What uni was it? I went to Kingston first, but then I transferred up north to Leicester. Okay. And then I did my PhD at Birmingham University. What was that in? That was in Sikh theology. Okay. And, yeah, it was kind of, yeah, like a lot of research in India, field trips, being in India for many years, and then finishing my doctorate off, and then I published some of my work with Oxford University Press. So you knew what you were talking about then? I wouldn't say I know what I'm talking about. More than some. Depends on the day. Depends on the day and like motivation levels.
SPEAKER_01:Well, I went to uni and it was criminology because I did law and sociology and it was like put them together. That's criminology. And I was a Manchester party boy at that point. So I probably didn't get the success that you got.
SPEAKER_00:I'm sure you got loads.
SPEAKER_01:So the Sikh background was always prevalent in sort of like, was that something you always had an interest in? Not
SPEAKER_00:really. Okay. When I was younger, I had, I'd say a minimum. interest in it and it was when I was about 17 I got quite sick and cutting a long story short I had an NDE near-death experience
SPEAKER_01:okay how was
SPEAKER_00:that it's pretty intense and I didn't know what to make of it and so I was really undecided as a scientific part of my mind which is that's like lack of oxygen another part of mine was that's really holy and it's you know that's changed the way that I see life Do you mind if I ask about
SPEAKER_01:the experience itself? What
SPEAKER_00:happened? I had like a chemistry exam. I was walking to school. I was getting out of breath and I did the exam. I think I did fairly well. And then I was walking back and I just couldn't walk anymore. I just couldn't get the oxygen. And so I said to my friends, I'm going to just sit here for a minute and get my breath back. And then I could see my hands getting like pale, like going a bit yellow. And then my grandmother was alive then. And I got back and she looked at my face and she phoned my dad straight away. Didn't look good. It didn't look good, yeah. My dad picked me up. And anyway, I ended up at A&E. Then I was in hospital for six weeks. And in that time, I had the NDE. And how did that manifest for you? I was just lying there and I could feel my body getting weaker. And I could feel my heart palpitations and irregular heartbeat. And really, my heart beating really, really fast. And then I just felt this sensation from my feet sucking up in my body, going upwards. And then through my groin, through my stomach, into my heart, I felt my heart stop. I felt it go into my throat. I felt my tongue go limp and fall back in my mouth. And then I saw a blinding, very bright light. And then I experienced, this is the experience I had, whether, you know, I don't know if it's real or not. Even to this day, I'm still like skeptical, but it was like I was floating above my body and I could see other people who had died. And there was some kind of presence, some kind of opening, like some kind of gateway to another existence as like a luminous kind of light, like a soft light. Then I ended up inside that and what seemed like eternity. And there's a lot of kind of like telepathy. There's no like real words, but there's like some sensations of understanding. It's a knowing. A knowing, yeah. And what you could say like a, A conversation is what we could say is God. Something very mysterious at the end of that.
SPEAKER_01:Something beyond the veil.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. And then the next moment, the nurses are resuscitating me. And then I say to them, I'm okay. And they go, no, you're not. And I pulled everything off me that they had on me. And I started walking around. Really? Yeah. And then they're like, I do that when I'm like trying to understand something. My nature is I try to walk. And so I like pulled everything off and I started walking around. And then they're like, no, no, you've got to sit down. You've got to sit down. And they eventually persuaded me to sit down. But I spent like the next six weeks walking around the hospital. i didn't really
SPEAKER_01:just trying to process
SPEAKER_00:yeah just trying to get my head around it and i didn't feel real anymore
SPEAKER_01:oh
SPEAKER_00:you know
SPEAKER_01:i mean i've had experiences like that i usually had something yeah what about you have you had any near-death experiences no no fell off the ski slope at all or
SPEAKER_03:anything no got injured but not okay nothing nothing similar to that
SPEAKER_01:so were you always interested in the seek sort of understanding of the world?
SPEAKER_03:No, to be honest, that came relatively recent in my life.
SPEAKER_01:So what was sort of the driving force behind you when you were younger then? Driving force,
SPEAKER_03:interests, there were many interests, but I think, as I shared in the beginning, there was a quest of figuring out who I was, a quest in terms of belonging.
SPEAKER_01:To know thyself.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, like identity and belonging because I was born in Singapore. My mom was very strongly identified as being a Singaporean. So that's how she raised us kids. So we were identified as being Singaporeans. But then growing up in Austria, you want to be part of your friend circles. So as a teenager, that Austrian identity, me wanting to be an Austrian came in. And then somehow through some... mystical funny experiences as a teenager in my late teens suddenly I got a real calling to connect to my ancestry from India and Indian spirituality. I just felt there's something deep in there. There's deep knowledge, deep wisdom there. And there was this drive, I need to go to India and find my guru. But then- And how old
SPEAKER_01:are we about then?
SPEAKER_03:That was 19. Oh,
SPEAKER_01:so it's still relatively young then when you get in that call.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, that call was there, but then- Indian parents that come to the West very often can have like this Western ideals for their children and that's what my parents were wishing me to become a doctor, a lawyer, and be successful in the Western material life. So when I said, I want to go back to India and find my guru, it created a lot of friction between us because they couldn't understand it. They said, we came here to the West and we are offering you this. You're going back. We are offering you this.
SPEAKER_02:The sacrifices we've made.
SPEAKER_03:And so there were a lot of conflicts. But then in my early 20s, I got initiated in a yogic tradition. okay so it wasn't Sikh lineage then and as I shared my dad is from a Hindu family my mom from a Sikh family and dove deep into like a mystical yogic tradition but also was called around the same time when I felt this calling to connect to India and my ancestry was inspired to support humanity with holistic ways of healing.
SPEAKER_01:Have you always had that sort of resonance? Is that always aligned with you? There
SPEAKER_03:were some experiences, mystical experiences as a teenager.
SPEAKER_01:Do tell.
SPEAKER_03:It was basically a sweat lodge that I did with an American medicine man and a crystal healing that he did. And there was something that was present in that room and energy field that I couldn't describe, but everybody felt it. And it was there's something more to it. And then in Austria as male citizen, you have to do either national service or social service. So I ended up doing a year of social service in the children's intensive care unit of the hospital of the town where I was living. and was confronted with life and death and suffering and prolonged suffering and had certain experiences with my own health where beyond the physical manifestation I really saw the threads to my emotions and to the energy like I had tonsillitis three times in two months And basically, I was unhappily in love. And I wasn't able to express my love and the words. And it really got stuck here and manifested in the tonsillitis. And it was very clear that that was related. And it wasn't just the bacteria that created that physical manifestation. And so during the time of my yogic practice, I studied physiotherapy and then went into other energetic healing modalities. Yeah, it's many stories. We can get to those maybe later. But then the Sikh path came in. It's related to my mom. So my mom passed away a bit more than nine years ago from cancer.
SPEAKER_01:I did just say sorry in the last podcast. A guy we had on called Liam because his parents died. I've lost my dad. And he said, don't say sorry. Say lucky bastard. So what was your approach to losing the mum? Was it that she's gone somewhere else? She's lost this restrictive form or was it more of the, that's me
SPEAKER_03:bloody mum? No, it was like a deep journey. She had cancer and as I shared, I studied a lot of holistic healing and so was very present to support both of my parents during that time. And they were very open to receive guidance that I had to offer and to share. Nevertheless, she transitioned and we journeyed very close especially during the last two months she was drifting between the realms she was like present in a body and then there was two days where she was hardly present and she was nearly gone and then after she had left slowly and gradually that seek remembrance that ancestral remembrance that is in my blood that is in my DNA started like knocking on my door and was like hey there's something here for you to connect with and to look at and at that time my home base was Bali but then I left Bali somehow ended up in the UK met this beautiful gentleman and
SPEAKER_01:we'll stop it there then you've just had your near-death experience where do we go from here?
SPEAKER_00:well I After the near-death experience, I carried on studying and it was, I think it was my second year university. I ended up in India and I met the warrior order. How was that by the way? Because you were excited about the few Indian kids in the school. Yeah. Blew my mind. My mom and dad were saying like, there were so many people, there's 3 million people at this festival. It's called Hullamahulla and the Indian equivalent is Hulli. So it's the festival of color and it's the victory of good over bad. Is that when they throw the colors? That's right. Ah,
SPEAKER_01:that looks cool.
SPEAKER_00:That's right. So I was there and you can imagine like, you know, a few thousand old warrior Nihangs, we call ourselves Nihangs. So
SPEAKER_01:the same sort of?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, dress. But most of them are old. There were hardly any young ones. I remember really clearly. And just walking along and then seeing the head and just how much grace and magnanimity he had. And I was like, wow, you know what? This is really amazing. And then I was like filming them and taking photos and asking them questions. And my mom and dad were like, let's get out of here. we've got to go home. And I'm like, wait, it's like, I found my life. Yeah. I like found my thing. And they're like, no, you know, your grandmother's there and your nephew's there. He's little. We need to go. I was like, give me half an hour. And then there's, they, they do like tent pegging, you know, where you pick up the, they get these like little grass bundles and with spears, they pick them up off their horses. They gallop past, pick them up. And then we're going to do that. at a stadium and they're saying, come there. Like, it's really amazing. You should watch it. They're really welcoming. But my mom and dad insisted we went back to where we were in the Punjab. And that left a massive impression on me. And it was like, I have to meet these people and I have to meet the head. And I need to get, like he looked for his guru, similar. I need to get initiated. I need to, find out the truth from these people.
SPEAKER_01:So there's a need here. It's not a want, it's just I need this in my life.
SPEAKER_00:That's right. And then I kind of went back to uni and this was always in the back of my mind.
SPEAKER_01:I'm curious how that felt going
SPEAKER_00:back again. after having this need, this calling? Felt like I was wasting my time. I didn't really have any motivation, like to be honest. Kids don't drop out of school. I managed to pass and like I did everything and I had like a regular routine. I'd go to the gym. I was living a pretty clean life and I was meditating. I was kind of in training, if that makes sense, and preparing myself. Then I ended up there and then it was like, I really have to spend more time, but I couldn't justify it because the same, you know, things that Shamir Singh shared about parents and their aspirations for their children. And I think, how do I end up in India? How can I take out the time? How will it work out financially? And then I've
SPEAKER_01:had to get guilt even of wanting this.
SPEAKER_00:That's right. That's right. And then one day I'm in the Sikh temple in Northampton and I was doing some bench press. And as I came up from finishing like a few reps of bench press, I put the bar back on. the stand and I look forwards and there's a poster and it says Sikh Studies, Birmingham University, Enfield PhDs. And I took down the number in my phone, rang them up and I got on the course. Then I realized that was my way of getting to India. And then I ended up in India and then it was, I think, a few years after I finished all of that and learned with the Babaji's and kind of, you know, we're developing some projects here. Then I met Shamir.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, just before we meet each other then, what was it like being with the Babas? So this is something that you've got a need for. Now you're actually there. Do you have any sort of examples of just?
SPEAKER_00:It was like a dream come true and it was like very, very peaceful, very like almost a feeling of complete silence and stability and that everything is good. And like you've got to imagine a Babaji, the amount of people that come to see him every day. And then you're sitting there, like sometimes he'd ask me to sit there and I hear people's life story or someone's husband's drinking or he's violent or there's some guy who's got a police case or someone hasn't got any money or someone can't have a child. You imagine all these different things. Some people come with good news. They've had a child. or their business is doing good, or they want the- So it's not all negative. It's all not, no. And somebody wants their car blessed or their house blessed or, you know, this kind of stuff. And you're listening to this all day. It might
SPEAKER_01:crash his eye, but I could have done with a car blessing.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Yeah. And you see the kind of neutrality he has for the good and the bad. I love that. And just, he's in his meditation, his routine. That's really inspiring. And seeing that kind of mercy, some of the worst people would come and he'd always be really forgiving. He'd say, you've done wrong. Try not to do it again. You know, he'd like grab them and he'd talk in their ear, like say, you know, you don't want to do this again. It was
SPEAKER_01:not this rejection, this repulsion. It was, look, it's not something I condone or align with, but I don't hate you for it.
SPEAKER_00:Exactly. Exactly. And I'd see that kind of mercy and this kind of like, how he'd talk to people and how he'd use his words sparingly, like very carefully. And that was really inspiring. And just seeing the discipline level of discipline that he had, he's probably in meditation about 19, 20 hours a day. And he
SPEAKER_01:basically transcended that.
SPEAKER_00:And he'd eat like once. And then, you know, the medicine that we're going to go on to, he'd take that medicine twice a day. And just watching him every day and just observing him, it was like a different state of reality.
SPEAKER_01:Just being around him.
SPEAKER_00:Just being around, like so much energy. And if we had the medicine, it would be even more intense when he'd allow it. And so that was a real blessing. And then he eventually, after learning for quite a while, the first thing he said to me is, go and do Kirtan because he knew I could do Kirtan because Kirtan and the singing of bhajans and mantra, I'd go into the temple there and I'd play the tabla, the Indian drums. And I would do the harmonium sometimes. And he'd say, you know what, when you go back, you should do Kirtan and give people dig. So dig is the cannabis drink. And I said, okay, but I didn't really, I didn't really see myself as being worthy.
SPEAKER_01:Okay. It was that much of an honor that, Yeah, yeah. You're just not thinking, I'm not
SPEAKER_00:there yet. Yeah, and he even gave me a letter. He gave me letters giving me certain duties. He must have seen something in you though. I don't know. I don't know to this day, but I just put those letters away. I still have them. I bring them out now and I look at them and I think, oh, wow. And I was kind of in denial until another Babaji said to me like, hey, you need to do this, you need to do this service.
UNKNOWN:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:It's a good thing.
SPEAKER_01:What was it that was putting you off it? Because it couldn't have been just that. It must have been something else.
SPEAKER_00:I think there's a part of me that's like a hermit and it likes quiet and silence. And I was really happy in my own bubble and I didn't want to break that bubble. I didn't want anything to do with politics or the external world. And, you know, as our story, as people listen, you know, we encountered a lot of jealousy and, you know, with our success, I'd say.
SPEAKER_01:Right. As people.
SPEAKER_00:You know, and I was like, I looked at it in a way like I'd rather not have this success. I'd rather not be known. I'd rather just be in my own meditation and my own learning. And if one or two people come along, I can teach them. I saw myself like that.
SPEAKER_01:So you weren't seeking this, I need the world to see me. I need to feel felt and heard. The opposite. Which I think is important because there's a lot of people like that. Yeah. And you're here being of such service and the way you elegantly speak in ceremony, I wouldn't have ever guessed that about you. So I'm so glad that you shared it.
SPEAKER_00:No, no, I'm glad. And yeah, so it was a kind of like a contradiction. And then eventually when the second bub but he said it to me after the first one i was like okay i need to do this because he said it and by that time i realized what they say is on a really from a really high level of consciousness it's not just like your mate telling you something in the pub you know hey you know what you should do yeah you know what i mean it's like from a real like a level yeah and i was like you know what I need to follow what he said. And then I started going out to other countries. My first ceremony was actually in Spain. Okay. And that was because I shared the medicine with somebody in India who was Spanish. And he knew a circle of people from Santa Dime who did ayahuasca. And he said, why don't you come and give them your medicine? Then you can take their medicine. Then he arranged that in Spain and the rest is history.
SPEAKER_01:How was that then? Because you two were about to meet and I'm like, you can't just leave it on there. Well, we just had a little bit of a ceremony here.
SPEAKER_00:It blew my mind because I always knew that when I was younger, my grandmother was very spiritual and she's like really my first teacher. Okay. And we had... So
SPEAKER_01:that's where the seed had been planted.
SPEAKER_00:Exactly. And down the road, there was a Punjabi Hindu family. And so they'd invited us to a puja. And on their windowsill, they had like pictures of Krishna, Shiva, Guru Nanak, and kind of Babaji's, and they were doing an aarti, like they do a puja. And then they throw flowers on the different photos. So I'm watching this as a kid, and my grandmother was very devoted. And I thought that she would just put the flowers, you know, as a kid, on Guru Nanak, but she didn't. She started from Krishna. And she put them on Krishna and the next one and a little bit. And she put exactly the same on each one. And I was quite inquisitive. So as we walk home and it's about a five minute walk only, I said, granny, bibi, I said, you didn't put the flowers just on Guru Nanak. You put them on all, but you're a Sikh and you put them and you, you were worshiping the Hindu gods. And she said to me, My child, God is one. Whether it's Krishna, whether it's Allah, whether it's Waheguru, whether it's Jehovah, there's no difference. It's all
SPEAKER_01:different sides of the same coin. Exactly. Those two lads that you had yesterday and we did that throwing of the, and they basically, he gave me this phrase, was it sat siri akal?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:True is the one who is beyond death.
SPEAKER_02:That's right, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:That's, That's just stuck with me. It was so good. And I feel like that's what you're referring to. All this is just ways, like labels or like thematics, basically.
SPEAKER_00:Exactly. And so that was the framework that I really came into this with and made me realize what I'm trying to convey, which is you put it so well now. which was beyond it all. Like there's all these different cultural frameworks to approach the divine or the mystic.
SPEAKER_01:It's different ways of the mountain.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I have to say it my way because I'll resonate with a certain people, but then you say it your way and we'll all just meet in the middle of the end.
SPEAKER_00:Exactly. And so going to Spain and then, having been immersed in the Nahang Singh way of life, like the Sikh warrior culture way of life and the medicine and the discipline and the purity and the cleanliness and the bathing and the worship and the mantra and the learning and the horse riding and the martial arts and the whole thing. Like it was so immersive. I was going to say a bit immersive, was it? Yeah, it was pretty intense. And then doing academic work, it was a very intense time. And then suddenly to be in another cultural framework where they do an ayahuasca and with a great reverence, a Christian kind of sectarian group of the ayahuasca with the Santo Daime. And they're kind of like their purity, their consciousness. And seeing that and then seeing actually they're connecting with the same thing. And I knew that anyway, but it really hit me.
SPEAKER_01:There's experience in it and there's knowing it conceptually.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, it really hit me. And then I realized, you know what? I don't want to be somebody who I realized one thing. Why preach to the converted? Why try to be spiritual with people who are already spiritual, right? It's a waste of time. Then I realized, actually, I want to, I'm going to do what the Babaji had told me and go out into the world. And then I started to connect to other groups. And then I ended up, I'd already been to Glastonbury before that. And then I-
SPEAKER_01:Mad
SPEAKER_00:energy, by the way,
SPEAKER_01:there. Old me would have scoffed at me even saying mad energy there. But like- I got there and it was like, if you felt good, you felt great. If you didn't feel good, we'll get rid of them labels. If it was uncomfortable, you felt better. Straight away, I got there and Gabby, who beautifully brought you down, she was like, she's quite talkative and I'm like, whoa, I felt like panicky straight away. I was in Glastonbury and I just had to meditate for 30 minutes.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Whatever's here, it's amplifying it.
SPEAKER_00:100%.
SPEAKER_01:And is that when you two sort of bump heads? Because you've got quite a strong hold in Glastonbury. So at some point we've left Austria.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, at some point after 30 years I left Austria and then was based in Bali. I had kind of two relatively gentle years in Bali, but then life spun me on a whirlwind tour. Also because of my mom's diagnosis with cancer, I spent time in Europe. And yeah, life spun me all across the planet, connecting to different... indigenous cultures indigenous lands more and the wisdom that resides in the lands sacred sites and
SPEAKER_01:any examples for us
SPEAKER_03:like the sacred valley in peru uluru as rock in australia the hawaiian islands pyramids in central america mexico and it wasn't like a journey that somehow i planned i i need to go here i need to go there it was just life was laying it out and was There was a higher force that was taking me around this
SPEAKER_01:whirlwind. Did you learn to just trust that guidance? I
SPEAKER_03:learned more and more to trust the guidance and there's something within me that can't avoid that. I've noticed that. And that was also when I was young as I shared and I wanted to go to India and find my guru, but the whole world was opposing it somehow. I couldn't avoid that. Like I have to follow that inner calling that resides within my heart and I can't avoid
SPEAKER_01:that. Have you ever tried not following it? I'm just curious how that would manifest for you.
SPEAKER_03:There were moments where maybe I thought, oh, I need to do something like normal, but it made me unhappy. I like that.
SPEAKER_01:For those who couldn't see, you did finger quotes. Normal.
SPEAKER_03:What is normal these days, right? Yeah, exactly. But it... It wouldn't satisfy me. It would dampen my spirit, my mood. So it's really, I know I have to follow my inner utmost truth. And after that whirlwind tour, that whirlwind spat me out in Glastonbury somehow. And I wanted to leave Bali as a home base because I wanted to be closer to my dad in Austria after my mom had passed. Of course. But I consciously wouldn't have... Chosen England, I was thinking more maybe Ibiza, a warmer place. Better
SPEAKER_01:weather. I mean, you're in Manchester, even London and Glastonbury is nicer than here. It's just great.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, but it was really the consciousness of the land there. They say there is a goddess, the Lady of Avalon, the Lady of the Lake that resides there and she's embodied in the hills of the lands. And that consciousness, when I got there visiting a friend, started communicating with me. Somebody had left my friend's house that she was sharing the house with, so room became available, and I didn't have any plans. And then I just decided I'm going to stay for two weeks, one month, two months, and it just kept extending. And it's become a really... beautiful home base.
SPEAKER_01:You said something was communicating with you. I want you to imagine you're speaking to those people who aren't converted yet and they're going, you are. What do you mean by it was converting? I mean, it was conversing with you.
SPEAKER_03:So there are subtle senses that we can tap into, like our intuition, but also sometimes the visions that I receive if I go into meditation, like Glastonbury is full of like you would call it sacred sites, like the Glastonbury Abbey, the Tor, the Chalice Well, the White Spring, Virial Hill, where there is a high amount of energy lines that intersect and people go there for worship and for prayer.
SPEAKER_01:You're talking sort of like the meridian.
SPEAKER_03:The meridians, exactly. Like we have our energy meridians and nadis in our physical embodiment. So do the land masses have energy pathways. It could be either underground waterways or crystal veins within the rock or within the soil where energy travels in amplified ways. Yeah, so there is a big amount of those that intersect in Glastonbury and people are there in worship.
SPEAKER_01:Do you say it's the heart center of the
SPEAKER_03:earth? Many people say it's the heart center of the earth. It's interesting when people say that, I often put it into perspective and say, oh, it could be very much because a lot of people, when they feel good in Glastonbury, they feel even better. But if they don't feel good, they might feel a little bit worse. It amplifies everything. As I was saying, yeah. So... I see it's more like maybe a shadow gateway into the heart because to really connect to our heart, we got to let go and release that which is not love and which is not truth.
SPEAKER_01:That song you had yesterday, Let Darkness Shine, which by the way, he sent me that tune. I'm lying there just like, what?
SPEAKER_03:Yes, it's important to look into these things shadow aspect the subconscious the unconscious where we navigate maybe from greed or lust or pain where we are not aware of it but it still guides our actions and so in places like Glastonbury or many other places life will offer us a strong mirror to look into these unconscious aspects of ourselves and give us either the opportunity to go deeper down into the unconsciousness and numb ourselves, go into addictions or drug abuse or so many things of how we can numb ourselves or distract ourselves. Or if we are ready to do our inner cleansing and purification work, this mirror can really help us to become a better version of ourselves. And Glastonbury and being in the UK has really supported and helped me with that in many ways. And also connecting maybe a thread back to the Sikh connection, right? There has been a lot of ancestral healing for me coming to the UK. because of the connection of the British Empire and India historically.
SPEAKER_01:Sorry, I think you were saying something about the British had like a real thing against using the medicine. Sorry to interrupt. I just remember you saying that in the ceremony. Go on.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, so I really learned to understand myself better also with Kamarup. So have we met yet? Yeah, we met the first time. I think I just, after I've landed briefly also through some very special synchronicities. Go on then.
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SPEAKER_03:You want to hear? Yeah, that's what we're here for, brother. So my work with like shamanic plant medicine started in Bali. And then that was also part of what took me to different indigenous lands, connecting to the wisdom of these indigenous tribes.
SPEAKER_01:And just for the listeners who don't know what plant medicine you're talking about. It's
SPEAKER_03:like ayahuasca, San Pedro, peyote. And I ended up at a ceremony, a night of ayahuasca and followed by a night of peyote. where a previous version of formation of the Blue Lions showed up and Kamarup he wasn't there but I spoke and connected to one of the guys and shared about my story being like from a Sikh and Hindu family and that my mom from a Sikh family had just passed and he just said oh you need to meet Kamarup you need to meet Mahakal there's something in that connection and so when I landed in Glastonbury cam he was doing a retreat there and gabriel said go visit cam and he connected us and that's where we met where we met the first time
SPEAKER_01:how was it how was it when you first met then it's
SPEAKER_00:like uh meeting a brother it's like meeting uh somebody that i've known for more than this life it's like one of those connections like recognizing each other like hey i see you like we're on the same vibe we're on the same
SPEAKER_02:wavelength
SPEAKER_00:And so we have a very deep understanding of each other. I can imagine
SPEAKER_01:beyond needing to speak even.
SPEAKER_00:We just talk about practical things, but sometimes we talk about other things, but we understand where we're both at. And I think we had that from the very first moment we met. And then what happened after that was one day I go on Facebook, and sometimes I do this, like if I come to Manchester, I know this sounds really bad, but I can't remember everybody, you know, and I've taken a lot of medicine in my life. I've only got like present moment awareness. I can't remember what I did before. I always leave things, places, and then I have to make notes and alarms. Otherwise I forget everything. And so I'll put on my Instagram, hey. Too present. Yeah, exactly. There is only now. Yeah. And I say, hey, I'm coming to Manchester. Anybody around? And it's not because I've, you know, it's very difficult for me to get that recall. And then people will message and say, hey, I'm here or, you know, and then I try and arrange it around that. And then he happened to be going to London and I was going to London. So I put, hey, anybody around in London? And then he was there. Do you want to carry on?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, and that was a time of extinction, rebellion. Okay, yeah, I remember. And somehow synchronistically, I was there twice in London during that period where the first time a friend guided a water pilgrimage and the second time there was an event in front of the Royal Court of Justice. So there was a blue boat in front of the Royal Court of Justice and there were indigenous representatives from... Ecuador, Australia I did some sound healing there from the boat for the people and it was about nature consciousness and also the water very much related to like the water consciousness and so I invited Cam to join and at the end of that ceremony of that event Charlotte who organized it asked would anybody like to share a prayer in their mother tongue And Cammy was in the audience. Just burst through and went, right. She spotted him. She spotted him. You don't want the limelight, right? I was right at the back. She spotted him and she was like, oh, I can hear you. And then he did the Bramkavich, which was the prayer that we did at the very beginning in front of the Royal Court of Justice. And after that event, we started talking more and he invited me to come to visit him. in Northampton and then a few weeks after that I came to Northampton and that was like a big journey into the remembrance of my Sikh ancestry
SPEAKER_01:How was that for you then?
SPEAKER_03:I was really beautiful like really really beautiful a lot of things started to make sense like the journey with my mom and the suffering that she went through it all made sense and also because Cam's expertise around the history of like the British and India and the different Dharmic lineages like the Hindu tradition the Sikh tradition because my dad is from a Hindu family my mom from a Sikh family I learned so much about myself and who I am and where i've come from and what my ancestors have carried for me to be here now as i am so it's been it was a beautiful initiation into something that has then continued to roll
SPEAKER_01:does it feel like you've met you know you said you're always looking to fit and it never felt like you could like that was a bit different austrian
SPEAKER_03:may i share a little little loop towards that because as i shared in my early 20s i connected to a mystic yogic tradition. But that spirituality is a very transcendental spirituality which somehow rejects the physical. The physical or the material is seen as Maya, as illusion.
SPEAKER_01:So Michael's, the name Meditation is the Game and Meditation with Michael has now launched its very own website. Everything I'm doing is going to be on there. from meditation classes, which you can join in person, catch up if you missed one, or just join online from the comfort of your own home. One-to-one sessions. We've got loads of freebies like the chakra meditations, and we've also got a new 10-day beginner's course. So if you really want to build that strong foundation, I've suffered with anxiety, depression, suicidal tendencies. I've lost family members. I've been an addict. Unhealthy relationships coming out my ears. Meditation was the panacea. Learning how to sit with Any sensation that arises really just helps you to master that patience. And those who master patience, well, they master everything else. So I want to pass that on. It is my purpose to alleviate my own suffering, show us how to do the same, and we can all live more peacefully. It sounds all right, that, doesn't it? So this website is a lovely little hub for you to find everything I'm doing, from the ecstatic dances to the floating meditation journeys. I'll put a link in the description. Go check out meditationwithmichael.co.uk. and awaken the power within. Peace and love, guys.
SPEAKER_03:And then later down, studying different healing modalities and going down more a shamanic route connected to indigenous tribes is very much like an earth-based spirituality, right? Which is about Pachamama, Mother Earth, and the elements that make our bodies and the Sikh way of of living or the Sikh path is a combination of both. So it really brought those polarities of like a very transcendental spirituality, which is very present in the Sikh way of living. but also very grounded, earth-based, practical. Sounds more balanced. Yeah. So it really put a lot of pieces together
SPEAKER_01:for me. If I can just say for myself, I hadn't really looked into Sikh very much at all. And when we saw you at Glastonbury and you so elegantly spoke just about the history and the stories, and I'm like, this shit makes so much more sense than I was ever expecting. I'm aligning and resonating with it so much. And then sitting in ceremony and just being like, You guys are awesome. How have I not known about this? That beautiful balance of light and dark. I feel like that really is something that speaks to me. That not sort of like only love and light, only positive.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Exactly. I think, you know, Shamir Singh, he spoke really eloquently about this merger of that yin and the yang and the sky and the earth and bringing them together and And that's such an important concept for this time because there's so much division amongst people and families. Are you vax? Are you anti-vax? All this, everything, you know? And the thing is we have to go back to a state of like non-duality, like oneness, collective togetherness.
SPEAKER_01:There's far more that we can relate to about each other than separates
SPEAKER_00:us. Exactly, exactly. And having that kind of state of consciousness is more important than ideologies and belief systems that push people apart. And so that's where I think particularly the work with mantra, breath work, holistic practices, Shamil talked about, is so important for this time and what we're facing, like, in terms of the current contemporary history we're in and, well, the current situation we're in and where we're heading, like, with the AI and, you know, everything else politically. It's like to really get our own consciousness together. Well, I feel like
SPEAKER_01:the technology is only going to amplify us. Exactly. So if we're balanced. Yeah. Oh, whoops. But if it's off key, you're going to go a lot the wrong way.
SPEAKER_00:Exactly. We've been given a massive power. And so we have to utilize that in the correct way, in a harmonious way. And then secondary to that whole kind of framework is obviously the work with the earth and working with the earth to ground and to be present in life and to be having like life affirmation, you know, a worldview that is life affirming, that is pro-life, like for life, with life, seeing God in life, if you want to use the word God, or divinity in life. One method of that which is sure to work is plant medicine and to go through the different modalities of plant medicine healing because it just cuts to the chase. Like you could be doing pranayams, breath work, diets for a long, long time, But like Shamid was talking about the subconscious, unconscious mind to get that and to
SPEAKER_01:deal. I feel like there's nothing wrong with having the Baba. These are the Babas too. These are guides. I'm not telling anyone else to do it. We're only sharing our own experiences, but I feel like it's a beautiful segue into the medicine that obviously is predominant in the Sikh, the warrior culture. Could you give us a little story though? Like, cause, cause I feel like the stories not to be taken necessarily literally, but really just show that colorful side of the Sikh history. So if you could just like, I don't know how the plant came into being, for example.
SPEAKER_00:Sure. Yeah. I'd love to share that. And so the, the cannabis plant and what they call in Hindi, and in our tradition, we call it, they give me sacrament and it's considered a sacrament. not only because of the guru's use of it, which you can find in historical texts, but because it predates the guru and it goes back into ancient times with the devas, so the Indian gods in the mythology, and particularly Lord Shiva. So Lord Shiva is considered like the archetypal shaman and he works on an alchemical level. So he's the one who kind of produces these ragas, you know, the Indian classical music, the drum rhythms, a lot of things related to Ayurveda, a lot of things related to ritual, yoga. They're all downloaded through Lord Shiva. So one of the biggest sutras on yoga, Patanjali's yoga sutra, is related to Shiva because Patanjali is considered like an incarnation in some schools. And so Shiva is very important and The story goes that Shiva and his consort Parvati, they go for their honeymoon at Mount Gelash and they make love and they have this tantric lovemaking and Parvati knows that Shiva will eventually want to meditate and he has this cobra around his neck and he would use the cobra, the cobra would bite him And then he'd meditate against that poison. So he'd slow his breath down in order to digest the poison. And which would, in the mythology, you're talking about thousands of years in Samadhi. Would you
SPEAKER_01:say like 20,000 years?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, 20,000 years. In deep Samadhi, he would be while he kind of works off the poison.
SPEAKER_01:And Samadhi for those who don't know.
SPEAKER_00:Samadhi is when you're in complete immersion with the divine and you lose your egoic self. And so you're completely merged in all parts of the universe. Pure focus and presence. Exactly. And beyond the mind. You could say a pure consciousness state. Mindless in a great way. Exactly, exactly, exactly. And then so Parvati kills that snake and she buries it. And when Shiva opens his eyes, he says to Parvati, where's my snake? I wish to meditate. And she said, I'm really sorry. I killed it and I buried it. And where she buried it, the cannabis plant had grown. And so there's a lot in that story, which is symbolic about life, death, the Kundalini. People know about that, the serpent energy, you know, transmutation from one thing into another thing, earth to sky that Shamid talked about. And so about transcendence, but togetherness, you know. Form and formless, you know, yin and the yang. There's a lot going on in this story. And so... It's not
SPEAKER_01:just surface.
SPEAKER_00:Exactly. And Carambius, it has so many names, the plant of victory, the plant of shiver, so many names, so many names. I'm
SPEAKER_01:curious how you see the sort of villainization of it then. How does that play out with yourselves?
SPEAKER_03:the villainization i mean now there's a big change happening i think globally as people are recognizing again and seeing that cannabis has a lot of healing properties not only in like the dig the medicine that we use but if it is for neurological diseases or disorders that people have it can really calm the nervous system it can help people to sleep uh It can have positive effects when people have cancer. There are so many positive effects. So I think the wheel is turning. But I think because it is such a powerful plant, it's not only like the medicine of the flowers and the leaves but also the fiber that can be used to create to create fabric to create buildings like the first I'm not sure if you guys are aware the first car that Henry Ford created was made of cannabis fiber and a friend of mine showed me this video he had like a proper hammer and could knock the car with a hammer and you wouldn't see anything no dent at all was like very robust but Unfortunately, in this world, there is so much governed by money and economy, right? And so, I don't know what exactly, but the cotton industry or other industries, you know, we know about lobbying these days, yeah, push things aside and so certain... plants which is a weird concept to me how can a plant be illegal right
SPEAKER_01:it's not weird it's ridiculous it's ludicrous i mean who are you to tell a grown adult an adult i understand maybe children or vulnerable people but a grown adult what they can do with their own consciousness
SPEAKER_02:yeah yeah
SPEAKER_01:feel free to buy knives and a cart though sorry go on
SPEAKER_03:yeah so that's how it happened and i didn't understand like I had my experiences when I was younger smoking cannabis as well and there were aspects of it which really opened me up to my creativity but then it was also used in a sense to numb myself and to escape from certain aspects of my reality so I can see if these plants, if it's cannabis or other psychoactive plants aren't introduced in the right way, right? It can be harmful. Of course.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, even too much water will drown you. It's got to be done with reverence and understanding. There's a reason why tradition shouldn't be scoffed at. I'm not saying nothing shouldn't evolve, which seems to be what you guys are actually embracing, that sort of evolution of the blue lions in this iteration. So I wanted to bring this in with the cannabis issue Because, of course, it has been vilified for so long. And one thing that struck me when we've spoken before is that you said when you smoke it in an Ayurvedic way, you're putting the cannabis, which is fire, and when you smoke it, you're putting fire on fire. Or if you're having oil or you're digesting it, yes, you are putting fire on fire, but there's nothing to balance that fire. Whereas from what I understand in this method of doing it, it's with water. So I don't know which one of you feels like taking that. That's very interesting that I've never had an experience before where it's been with water.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, so in Ayurveda, as you shared, like every plant is assigned to a specific element and the cannabis holds a lot of fire. And as you shared, if you smoke it, it's excess fire that your body gets exposed to. And so over short term or longer term, it dries out your body, which can have negative side effects I think
SPEAKER_01:some people might understand what dry mouth's been happening for now
SPEAKER_03:exactly that or for the nervous system over long term it can really frazzle our nervous system And then...
SPEAKER_01:So that would maybe be like sort of over-anxious, paranoid qualities that can come with it. Exactly, yes. That
SPEAKER_03:can come up like psychotic ways of navigating through consciousness.
SPEAKER_01:Because just for full clarity, I used to be addicted to smoking it to the point where I'd be spending like£50 a day on it. So it was like just blunting it. There was no reverence. It was just trying to get away from how I felt. It was trying to distract. But I think that did plant the seed of its power at the same time. So when I overcome that, or process rather than overcome... That didn't mean I rejected the plant. The plant was never the fucking problem. It was my energy, and I think it's always intention. You could be cutting somebody open to kill them, to stab them, or you could be cutting somebody open to try and save their life. Now, they might die either way, but that's a completely different look. People are going to see that a different way. So I just wanted to put that in there so you understand my own background with it.
SPEAKER_03:It's really important, that thread towards addiction, because addiction is... It's not really about the substance, about the chemical, but it's about what is that person trying to escape from and what is the refuge that he's seeking in this substance. Is it pornography? Is it work? Is it cannabis? Is it cocaine? Is it heroin? It's not about, oh, I'm addicted to this substance, but Does
SPEAKER_01:it get away from how you feel? I feel like that. If you don't want to sit with how you feel and you go to that to solve that problem, unless it's a short-term fix, which I understand people get overwhelmed, that's the important thing to take on board.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. And so it's important to bring that into perspective, right? That is... And that's why also the demonization of cannabis of any plant is always how is it introduced? How is the interaction shared with the people, right? If it is introduced as a gateway drug, there's the concept where you will get cannabis from a drug dealer that has other drugs that wants to make money and wants to sell you other drugs
SPEAKER_01:as well. Also, what's the quality of the cannabis? Is it sprayed up? Is it CBJ and CBD? What's the balance of that with the THC? Because that was meant to be inherent in the plant. It wasn't meant to just be THC.
SPEAKER_03:Yes, now it's like really high THC to get you off your nut and it's not really what the original plant was holding in terms of consciousness and energy and also healing properties for our bodies. So from the smoking which is double fire to like oil distillations which we take orally and get processed through our digestive system is an improvement, but also the oil distillation heats up the cannabis and it only has the oil solubles. But in the way of how it's prepared with the dig, pestle and mortar, with black pepper, cardamom, clove, almonds, Not only the cannabis flowers, but the leaves are really
SPEAKER_01:important. You said everything but the stem, isn't
SPEAKER_03:it? Exactly. The leaves and also the male plant is used in the medicine
SPEAKER_01:originally. Which has been vilified as well, hasn't it? Bushweed, we used to call it.
SPEAKER_03:Yes, exactly. But there are so many small plants. properties and particles in the cannabis plant that are really, really beneficial for detoxification of our body, which helps us to detoxify our mind. But in the preparation with water, that water balances the fire element of the cannabis. And by ingesting it, it becomes a really embodied experience. Like if you look at Smoking cannabis and the element of fire which burns and the smoke goes up very fast, right? Smoking it. People take one or two tokes and they feel the high right away. It's almost immediately. But it's a whole different experience drinking it with the water solubles and the fat solubles. You really feel it as a physical embodied experience. If I could describe it, like if you smoke it, you feel the high here. But if you drink it, the high comes
SPEAKER_01:in. That makes so much
SPEAKER_03:sense. Through the belly, through the sacral area, and it's like a wave of calm that comes in.
SPEAKER_01:For myself, there was no fogginess. You know what I mean by that? It was hard to have coherent thoughts when I'd smoked it or done the oil. The word I would say is it just felt clean, felt pure. I felt like this was the way it was always meant to be done. And maybe I wasn't meant to find it until when we did it that time, but... I can see why this has been passed down in this way. One thing that blew my mind, and this might just be my lack of knowledge, I thought you had to heat it up. So when it's just pestle and mortar, I thought you had to be heated to sort of activate what you need. So can you just explain that? Maybe I don't think I'm the only person who thinks that. Maybe you'd like to take the lead.
SPEAKER_00:Well, the way that I see it is... you've got this whole idea of carboxylation by heating and that it kind of activates the THC and, you know, there might be some truth in that, but the way that we see the dig and grinding it and filtering it and making sure it becomes a nice paste before filtration, you know, with the ingredients that Shamil said is that if it's a very fine paste, there's some kind of crossover of some kind of chemical components. And we can't be exactly sure what that is. I don't think scientifically anybody knows, but there's something going on there. And I don't think it's the same thing as the carboxylation is something different. And what Shamid was also saying was about the water soluble component. So you've got the fat soluble or the oil soluble, and now you've got the water soluble. And so then that's making some kind of synergistic emotion that you're drinking and that's going to have a whole different effect. And also- Oh
SPEAKER_01:boy, it does. Exactly.
SPEAKER_00:And I think the key factor is because it relaxes you, it allows you to go deeper into the high. Where if you just have the high without the relaxation becomes a bit manic.
SPEAKER_01:Well, that's
SPEAKER_00:one
SPEAKER_01:thing like, so like a partner or a friend have said, like, I don't touch that. Like I might've been saying like, oh, doing a ceremony where it's legal. And I would just be saying like, this is something that I think you might want to look at. It's done in a different way. And they're like, no, I get really anxious. It's overwhelming. And that's probably what you're referring to then.
SPEAKER_00:Exactly. Because with this, you get that, a kind of a body high, right? And then you get that waves of tranquility, stillness coming. And then that allows you to kind of let go, surrender and open your consciousness up to some deep introspection and kind of reflection. And that's a very kind of clever way of doing it. You know, it's like you're sedating yourself before you go into something messy. And it's not going to be messy in everybody. Some people have beautiful visions.
SPEAKER_01:But it's best to be relaxed. I feel like relaxed is somebody out there. You look at Usain Bolt, yeah, my man's running the fastest, but everyone else is straining. And he's just like calm and looking to the side. He's relaxed. He's flow stating it. Exactly.
SPEAKER_00:Exactly that. And so getting that relaxation is very, very important. And in addition, when we run a ceremony, we do some breath work. We do the mantra work. We do prep work. If we do one-to-one sessions, we go to town with that. We put a lot of effort to prepare each person individually before they go into the medicine.
SPEAKER_01:Could you just give people an idea of what a ceremony looks like then?
SPEAKER_00:Sure. So we set up the space. We have an altar. In our tradition, we venerate the sword as the feminine divine. And so that can be center stage or some kind of offerings or some kind of altar, some kind of focal point. Mm-hmm. And then we set up our asanas where we're going to be. And we have like instruments, harmonium. Shamil has a lot of things from like sound healing and sound journeying, like the didgeridoo and other kinds of.
SPEAKER_01:That, by the way, when that came in, I loved something about that didgeridoo. Maybe it's because I lived in Australia for a year, but just. Sorry,
SPEAKER_00:go on. He's just my guy's a G when it comes to that. And, you know, these kind of interesting sounds that. They're kind of trippy. They take you deeper. Yeah. It wasn't
SPEAKER_01:just this. It was like, and even the way you would, I could hear it. It's just, I recognize that.
SPEAKER_00:Exactly. And it's, you know, the person playing the music and he understands the landscape. And so then he can kind of, you know, improvise and go with that and develop that.
UNKNOWN:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And so at the beginning of the ceremony, obviously, just allow people to relax, make sure people have got the things they need, like water, the things like that. And just normally we begin just introducing what the medicine is, then some breath work.
SPEAKER_01:I love your storytelling. Yeah. Tell a few stories. Someone's there, but you're just giving us that spitting fire. It's beautiful just to hear the way you get it across to people.
SPEAKER_00:And then one of us will be making the medicine. Another one will be speaking about it. And then we serve the medicine, then we go into mantras, and we go into different mantras depending on what we feel from the group. Okay, so it's not set. It's not set.
SPEAKER_01:Right, that's interesting. What we feel like is… You have that flexible nature to
SPEAKER_00:it. Exactly, what kind of energy is coming in the atmosphere for us. And then we change accordingly or… And then we'll instruct each other. He'll say to me, why don't we do this? Or I'll say to him, what do you think about this? We have a little chat about it. I like
SPEAKER_01:that. It's not rigid then.
SPEAKER_00:No, it's not rigid. If it
SPEAKER_01:calls for calm and everyone's like, you're not going, what?
SPEAKER_00:Exactly. Yeah, we're just feeling that vibe. What do people need? And then towards the end, we'll go into some grounding practices and just stating the obvious. We make sure everyone's okay. And we're not going to leave people in a state like, because some people, they don't come out of the journey quickly. They might still be in it. And then we don't mind. We'll hang around with them and we'll make sure they looked after. We'll make arrangements.
SPEAKER_01:Because you go deep. Exactly. I mean, if you go, to me and my personal experience, that is one of the most powerful experiences. And I've sat with Ayahuasca, maybe Bufo, but it was so short. Bufo was like, getting punched in the face, like, by God, Echo described it, one of our guests. But this one was so, so pure. I teach meditation myself, so I can sit for an hour or two and, you know, brilliant, well done. I must have sat with you guys without moving. Well, when I say without moving, my body would be convulsing when I fell into the sensations. My body literally just knew what to do. And I've learned by now, if your body wants to shake, you shake. But I committed to the sitting posture with the Diana engaged. that's what I could describe it's just constantly unfolding all and the pain you would get would actually trigger something else that's the same frequency and give it a chance to come and be released but because we suppressed it we didn't like how it felt when it arose and that's no judgment you just handman showed how to process it maybe you don't welcome overwhelming sensation so you push it down but then you push it down in your psyche the issue arises in your tissue so for me we're talking like cramp pains are arising everywhere as it did in the vipassana but this time using it in such a pure way without the head fog just falling back into it falling back into it and it's unraveling and unraveling and eventually it got to this point where we're in like hour three four he gives a shit and i'm just i completely had devoted to have you seen rocky yeah there he goes if he dies he dies and somehow he went i think i'm gonna die like it felt like my neck was gonna break and that came up and then, I don't know if you remember, I was laughing a lot in the set and it's like, I believe laughter, like we should laugh at anything or it has power and it has this effect to it. And then it got to the point where it was so, I'm sorry, I'm taking the show, but I found this police, somebody who's actually been on the other side. And as I'm going through probably one of the toughest moments and yet most liberating moments, which I don't think is a coincidence, it just was like, wow. I know it's me that's got to do this. Like you said, you just have a knowing. You have a knowing. This isn't a want. This is a need. I understand I have the capability to hold whatever this is. It's not just mine. It didn't feel like just mine. And this energy was just... And then it was like... but why me? You know that moment where it's like, I bet even Jesus on the cross for a minute was like, why me though? Why has it got to be me that gets chosen for this? And then this energy was like, because this is how we get to go home. And I didn't hear it. I felt that, like this energy that I had stopped from going its merry way, wherever this energy, because I'm not separate to, so I've stopped it. I've held it in me. It's not going. And it was like, when you stopped it, and this isn't a conversation, it's a knowing, you've had it, trapped in you it can't go home so by feeling it and that was it that's all it was ever meant to be done it was just meant to be experienced and allowed to go and transmute into its next whatever you're letting it go hope so then i'm thinking well if that was my mum if that was my brother or my sister or you guys if i didn't care i i can't not sit with this i will break if i have to if he dies he dies but he isn't giving up and that then you know like that sort of you could move if you wanted to, went out. When you add that full assertive, just that is me and I don't care what else happens. This is the right moment. And I'm curious, I didn't mention it in the share because I was quite processing it still, but I felt a presence come. And I don't get that very often. And it's happened maybe two or three times, but two of them were on cannabis and it felt like something was there and it felt like it was nefarious and it felt like it was coming for me. And it went, and somebody in me was like, open your eyes. It would be so nice to just turn and check. You know, what harm is that? And it was like, no, I'm going to absolutely lose this moment. And it was almost like, you might want to say the devil testing you. Go in here, look at this comfort. And it was like, at the part of me literally raised my neck because I felt like something said, what if it's someone with a sword who wanted to cut your head off though? Like, you'd have to just check. And it was like, again... If I die, I die. I am not moving. So sorry, I've sort of just hijacked it a bit, but I felt that experience just iterated the point of what we mean by why this is so important.
SPEAKER_00:Exactly. Like what you're talking about, even though it's really visceral and you feel it intensely, it's based on subtle forces. And in a normal state of mind, we block all those out. And we're living a whole life where we're collecting all that in the subconscious. It could just be we're walking on the street and how somebody looks at us and we just catch it from the corner of our eye, but we don't process it. So we're building up all this content all the time because we're wired to receive a stimulation. And it's so much information we get. I can't remember, I was watching a podcast the other day and some computer expert who's made AI, he said a human being in every blink of their eye So that much space of time is 20 gigs of information that they can receive just in that moment.
SPEAKER_01:That's what you know.
SPEAKER_00:That's what we know currently, yeah? It could be even more. So we're processing all this, but we're so wired for the conversation we're having in our head. And we're blotting out all the feelings, what we feel about the feelings, what we think about those feelings, about our physical sensations even. That's why there's so much illness now. Because people are not in tune with their physical body. They're more in tune with their phone. Like if it gets scratched or their car, if it gets dented, they're not in tune with their physical body. How do you feel in your body? What's happening in your stomach? What's happening in your neck?
SPEAKER_01:It's almost an enemy.
SPEAKER_00:Exactly. And that's why the beginning, Shamir at the beginning of our session with the medicine, he did the body scan on the toes and the different parts of the body just to bring that awareness back.
SPEAKER_01:Because obviously doing the Vipassana, I understand just how deep you can go if you are silent and still and present. And it opens space. Silence and stillness are the same as space. So I think that's very important that you bring up that part.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I think as I shared, I studied physiotherapy.
SPEAKER_01:Right, that makes sense.
SPEAKER_03:Like the 20 gig of information in a blink of an eye. It's probably much more. Like if we look at our bodies and me just sitting here talking to you while I don't have to think about the words and my heart is beating and I'm breathing and something's happening in my gut, some food is being digested at the same time. I mean, these bodies are miracles that we inhabit with our consciousness. And these... ways like the dig, the cannabis drink, other plant medicines, if we are able to sit in presence and allow what is being processed in our physicality to be processed in acceptance without rejecting it, without pushing it aside, without fighting against it, is something really liberating. And that's what healing is about for me. That's what it is to become whole. I
SPEAKER_01:feel like you purify it with your presence. If it's touched by that God essence of our awareness, how could it not be? And it alchemizes it into becoming something beautiful. Exactly. But it's this annoying thing because it's knocking on the bloody door going, do you mind? Can you answer yet? Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:But you shared all this thing could have like chopped off your head. I think we should be present with the fact that nobody is going to make it out of this life alive. And Therefore, I think somehow, not maybe consciously, but subconsciously, that is at the beginning when you were asking, was that like a knowing or how did you follow your truth? It was, I can't avoid it because I know this is my truth. And at some point, I'm going to leave this physical embodiment. And if I don't follow my truth, I'm going to do a disservice to myself.
SPEAKER_01:Probably get sent back to do it again as well.
SPEAKER_03:Yes. Yes, many perspectives of what happens after we leave our bodies. But for me, it's really living life to the fullest of my ability and capability with the best intentions that I can bring forth. And... Yeah, there's a lot of distraction, a lot of sidetracks, and we can fall into those or tap into those. But I felt for myself, that's the most worthwhile thing to do.
SPEAKER_01:But I also feel when you bring in the distractions up, that is a chance to sharpen the sword. If something's distracting me, I welcome it in a meditation because that's giving me a chance to come back. What is meditation? It's not something we do, it's something we are. It is that full present state. It's learning how to choose where that focus goes because where your energy goes, that's what you're going to manifest. So if it's going into all the shit you don't want, guess what you're going to manifest? Whereas if it's just pure presence with how you are, at least it might not be, I think the Buddha said, someone said, what about when it gets really hard? He goes, endure.
SPEAKER_03:enjoy and there is something about like the emotional state of us humans right when you say oh it gets really hard and I feel a lot of humans have learned to reject emotions is when the teacher says stop laughing or the parent says stop crying quiet don't be sad and we see emotions as like a like an expression of our feelings but if we look at them they are they're very physical expressions as well, right? It's tears, it's the breath, our diaphragm. And so those emotions are directly connected to what is happening in our body and maybe the pain that we feel in our shoulders or in our neck or that what is stabbing you in the back. So investigating all that is happening in our
SPEAKER_01:body. I feel importantly not to get rid of it. Yeah, exactly. I think I don't even know if you said it yesterday, like just be present with it, not to be like, piss off, but give you some attention when you get off.
SPEAKER_00:I always like about this analogy you give about being curious. I think that's really useful for people if you'd like to share that.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, because as you shared, if we focus on something by rejecting it, we actually pull it closer to us because where attention goes, energy flows. So if we say, I don't want this, I don't want this, I don't want this, we are actually calling it into presence because we are putting so much energy on the matter of what we don't want and therefore we are picking it up. Yeah, does that make sense? But what Kamarup Singh shared was if we feel something, we can be curious about it without saying yes or no, but being investigative. And instead of saying, oh no, I don't want this or this, stop this or oh my god what is this we could say oh my god what is this
SPEAKER_01:it's that thing of what is this or what is this exactly and
SPEAKER_03:there's a whole different story it's not boring is it it's like what is this then it's like there's A barrier that we've built up is something separate from us already. But if we are, oh, what is this? What can it show me? What can it teach me? Where can it guide me to? Where can it lead me to? It's a whole different experience.
SPEAKER_01:I think that's a perfect way to just get the point across. It's present with joy, with love, but also with curiosity. Curiosity, what the fuck is that? This is interesting. At the very least, if you're having an adverse effect, you're not bored. So what's that? And everything is just energy vibrating. And your brain is an interface that translates it as this. What is this for you? So in terms of time, we've still got about half an hour left. I'm mindful that it's very complex what you guys do, but is there some sort of area that you feel that we haven't touched on that you think, well, the Blue Lions, this is important to me on a personal level or as a duo?
UNKNOWN:Hmm.
SPEAKER_00:I think just a couple of things because I like being a realist and I like giving people an overall view of what we're trying to achieve or what we're doing like as the Blue Lions and individually is I think the first point is obviously bringing mantra, Our focus is mantra, really, and giving people mantra, what we call the naam, or the divine name.
SPEAKER_01:Sorry to interrupt, but I want you to pretend you're talking to somebody who has no idea what even mantra means.
SPEAKER_00:Okay, so mantra is like a divine word. Man in Sanskrit means mind, and tra is from the same etymology as train, track, travel, traverse, align. So giving your mind a kind of a way to travel, to journey inward. And so this word is like a special word that a Buddha, a Rishi, a sage, a Christ, you know, a Mohammed. That has a
SPEAKER_01:certain quality. Exactly. The frequency that that sound is making.
SPEAKER_00:Exactly. And so the first thing we try to recommend to people collectively is find a mantra, find a word. So from whatever tradition you are, practice something on a mala, like on a rosary. The second thing is, Before you do that, there's other things that you need to do, which is get your breath work going. Like get your breath as kind of calm as you can, settled as you can, you know, breathing from your navel point and making sure you're not reverse breathing. And I invite people to look that up themselves, Google
SPEAKER_01:it. Yeah, I'm straight away, I'm like reverse
SPEAKER_00:breathing. They're not doing reverse breathing. And so breathing properly and like also just, Even before the breath work, diet. Like, are you having excess sugar, caffeine, stimulants? Are you trying to always be on the go? What are you trying to escape? Like, why are you in a rush? Slow down. Slow yourself down. Turn off your phone a little bit. Switch it off 9, 10 o'clock. You know, watch... Listen to some nice music, darken the room. Read
SPEAKER_01:a book, meditate. You don't need a blue light on your face at 11am, let's say 11pm.
SPEAKER_00:Exactly. Just to settle the mind, like becoming more in a calm, relaxed state. And then if we eat properly, we relax, we do some breath work, a mantra, then you start opening up your mystical kind of experiences. And you start going within, you'll understand more. We don't care what religion people take on. We're not there to promote a religion or a specific way of life. We're here to promote healing. That's the number one thing I want to be clear on.
SPEAKER_01:So there's no my ideology, it's the right ideology.
SPEAKER_00:We don't believe in that. We believe in practices. And so if somebody's a Christian and they're devout, we'd say, do hallelujah, do Jehovah. If they're Jewish, do Yahweh. If they're Muslim, do Allahu, do Allah. If he's a Hindu, do Hare Krishna, do Mahagal, do the Devi. If you're Sikh, do Waheguru. We're not really interested. From
SPEAKER_01:Sikh to pagan, atheist, it doesn't matter.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, we saw yesterday, we sang from every tradition. You know, so we tried it.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, the chakra meditations were coming in as well. It was really good.
SPEAKER_00:You know, we had like native music. We had like stuff from the Islamic tradition. We had all different stuff. And so then have that universal outlook. So you're not sectarian, you know, have an open heart, open mind, open system. And then if you practice that, and you reach a plateau, like you know there's something there that you can't get rid of, then the next step should be some plant medicine. So that's what I want to make clear is like our modality. We're not here to sell plant medicine. We're not drug dealers. We're not trying
SPEAKER_01:to get- Very cool drug dealers.
SPEAKER_00:We're not trying to push it on people because we've got too much reverence for it. It's not for sale. Nothing should be pushed upon anybody. Exactly. Especially not holy plants, you know? And so for us, what they've given me personally, you know, I nearly died from asthma. And- You know, for 20 years, I recently had COVID many times, a chest infection. My asthma came back actually in the last six, seven months. But before that time, I didn't have it for 20 years. And I know it's the marijuana and just using it like every six months. I don't even use it regularly, but it would just sort out my lungs and my body and my nervous system and stop any kind of like allergic reactions. And here's a good reminder, I'm going to have to have quite a solid journey on it to see if we can shift this energy. And so
SPEAKER_01:when you say shift, you feel like you and the marijuana work in tangent and sort of work towards purifying the vessel then.
SPEAKER_00:Exactly. Exactly. Just to get more alignment that something's not working properly in the body. You know, these like Shamil was talking about psychosomatic effects of different emotions, just clearing something for better health. And so I've benefited from that. And I'm just there to introduce that to people through ceremony, through my social media, et cetera, like that. And then further to that, I'd say that the world is going to go through profound shifts. I'm not talking like apocalyptic or like 2012 scenarios. I'm not into any of that. I'm just talking about the current historical moment we're in with everything that's going on. We just got to look around. Exactly. Exactly. Things are
SPEAKER_01:getting strange. Exactly.
SPEAKER_00:Distorted, as you would say. Exactly. And we need to kind of prepare ourselves because we're going to feel like we're disenfranchised with what is going to happen rapidly. And we won't catch that up. Yeah. And that's going to create its own problems. If you don't move with the
SPEAKER_01:times,
SPEAKER_00:you'll get left behind. Exactly. Exactly. And like what happened in COVID is a kind of introduction to what we might be heading into of shifts and how society could be engineered and changed. But I'm positive that the outcome will be very good. And so really we have to take our health and our minds into our own hands. We don't need a nanny state.
SPEAKER_01:Stop outsourcing it. Stop wanting mom and dad, you know, your adults.
SPEAKER_00:Exactly. Taking responsibility. You were talking about that yesterday. So we were talking about a friend of ours who's having, lot of problems in his life and we had to discuss what's happening because we're doing an event and we didn't know whether he'll turn up or what he'd do and we just both agreed he's not being responsible so taking that responsibility of yourself and then this goes deeper So we talked about mysticism as one of the first stages by doing the right things by diet and self-purification, nothing to do with religion, your own journey, your own experiment. To me, bloody common sense. Common sense, yeah. You don't
SPEAKER_01:need a god to go, by the way, don't you? Exactly.
SPEAKER_00:You need your consciousness. You need your consciousness. But what is that? That's understanding yourself, understanding your self-perception. understanding your own heart, understanding how are you as a human being. And there's so much contamination of that through, again, social media, wider media, films, movies. People are trying to live other people's lives. Like most men, they want a woman another man wants. They don't want the woman they want. They want this woman because they know another man will fancy this woman, so they fancy that woman.
SPEAKER_01:It's like I told you, after our ceremony, I saw my partner. I saw her. I don't mean, oh, fuck, I haven't been paying attention. I haven't noticed you. And that was probably because of the heaviness, the suffering that was carrying around with me. And that's why it can be so powerful.
SPEAKER_00:Exactly. And to know why you're in something, to be present for somebody, to be completely present in the moment with somebody is the biggest gift you can give. You know when you have children, I have children, they know when your attention is not on them. You know, like, so once I was doing a call and I was like, and my little one was with me. And then I thought, you know what? I'm not going to take the call. I'll just message the person. Then I'm like, I'm messaging like this. And she, my little one grabbed my head when she's free and she turned it around to herself like this. Like, no, you're not going to do that. Your attention should be on me. And then I never did it again. That's a barber for you. Yeah. Literally. Exactly. It was such a profound teaching for me. She's teaching me something. This doesn't need attention. I need attention. And then the naughty kid.
SPEAKER_01:Why is he being bloody naughty? He or she being loud and naughty. You're meant to be the adult. If they're being like that, they're starved of something. Nobody is needed. Exactly. Something isn't being fulfilled.
SPEAKER_00:Exactly. So being present for each other, God or no God, these are very big questions for the individual. And we're not here to preach or anything like that. But this is about really about human understanding and healing. Whatever is God or whatever is divine, it's very difficult to place your finger on it. It's mysterious. It's just like the sunrise and the sunset and the moon and the seasons. Why are we here? Why do we have hands? Couldn't it have been something else? I don't know. These are all big existential questions. I'm not interested. I haven't got an answer. But what I am interested in, do I know myself? Do I see your qualities? Can I understand you? Can I come into the middle point with you? And that's where I see this is a much more important question for humans than religion or economics, because we're heading into an existential crisis. Why are we going to be in the future?
SPEAKER_01:the why has to be more important than the what or the what will win. My why was this, whatever this energy was, needs to get home and I'm that conduit to allow it. The what, the sword coming for the neck, right? If he dies, he dies. The why is important. But if you don't have that why, the what will win every time.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. I think the French call it raison d'etre, something like that. A reason to be. Was my reason to be. And we're heading for machines doing all the work. AI doing all the thinking and all the tasks that we did before, that's going to rapidly, that's going to happen within the next five, 10 years to such a high level. Why do we be? Do we be here because I want to do yoga? Do I be here because I want to be like a healer or a shaman? Or we just
SPEAKER_01:want to experience the world. Maybe your reason to be is to experience the world.
SPEAKER_00:Do I even need a reason to be? You see, these are really, until we don't get to the bottom of all that, we'll have problems. And people say, no, I can bypass the mind. I don't need to deal with that. Oh, that's just really interesting, but it doesn't concern me. Oh, it does, because you have a mind. And you have to train your mind. And if you don't train your mind and your mind's lazy, it's going to bite you in the ass. It's a
SPEAKER_01:great servant, but a terrible master.
SPEAKER_00:Exactly. It's going to bite you in the ass. And so these are the real, I think, beyond religion, beyond... economics and politics these are these are deeper questions humanity is facing at this time why
SPEAKER_01:are we even doing why are we getting out of bed in the morning yeah what what did you actually get out of bed for what what is the point in putting your makeup on if you know it's just so much that this just feels like i need people to know and i felt so called because we'd only met each other a few times in ceremonies and but there was something Something about you both. What about yourselves? Obviously, we're coming towards the end of the episode now. Do you feel there's something you just feel is important to
SPEAKER_03:share? Yeah, it's interesting with what Kamarup Singh was sharing as well, what is happening, maybe planetary, collectively, which connects to the work that I do, but also what we do together around collective consciousness. Yeah. There's the I, there's the individual experience that we have. We spoke briefly about the ley lines or the grid lines of the planet. And so all of us humans are part of this planet. We don't exist separate from this planet. We are part of the seasons. If we don't live in the tropics, we experience the climate of each place. And beyond that, individual experience, we are also interwoven in something bigger. That is what, like in the Sikh tradition, it's a tradition that relates to the oneness of all of creation. And that oneness is the divine being. Sat Sri Akal. Sat Sri Akal. And there is And we will probably, not probably, we'll definitely never be able to fully understand everything. But there are ways of how we can learn to understand who am I if we see how we are interconnected with the vaster aspects. of collective consciousness.
SPEAKER_01:Everything's mirroring back to you. Is that what you're trying to say? Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:It's like there are threads that connect us. Why was I born here? Why do I live in this country? And the why also creates like the foundation of why am I the way that I am, right? Because If somebody is socialized in England or somebody is socialized in Japan, somebody that has experienced childhood in Brazil, it's going to be different ways of navigating, processing reality and just seeing, okay, beyond our individual experience, which nowadays a lot of society, we are trying to be someone, we are trying to achieve something so it is it is about us but seeing that there's something bigger and wider that is the foundation and the source of that and how can we interrelate in a way that serves the greater good of all does that make sense because the greater good of all at the same time is the greater good for me
SPEAKER_01:i don't see us as disconnected and i used to You're my enemy. That's like saying the lungs calling the heart an enemy. We need each other.
SPEAKER_03:Exactly. And in that way, I think if we see what is happening now in the Middle East, for example, in the Ukraine, if we can't let go of that separation, you are something else than me, you have a different religion, then... it will create more and more problems, right? And so if we can come together, see the oneness of all of creation, see us being part of that oneness, then it can be a beautiful dance, a beautiful experiment, a beautiful experience with so many different colors and shades and melodies where we can all inspire each other and grow and evolve together. together, all as one and one as all. And I think that is something that we share as well and we promote and that's why we travel as well to different places. We don't want to exclude anyone or anything. Everything is welcome. Also, as we spoke about the healing work and inner healing work, also that what might be perceived as dark, Also that is welcome because that needs to be welcomed. Let the darkness shine. Sorry? Let the darkness shine. Send me that tune. We will, we will, yes. Yeah, so welcoming all of existence and getting out of that dualistic mindset so that we can experience more joy together.
SPEAKER_01:Well, just so you know, my purpose is to learn what alleviates my own suffering so I can show other people we can all live more peacefully. That does not mean more happily. That doesn't mean more joyfully. That just means more content with the present moment. And I feel like that balanced person generally makes a more healthy decision. Probably going to have a bit more of a laugh while we do it anyway. So I appreciate you coming on and taking the time. Where can people find you?
SPEAKER_03:You can find Kamarub Singh.
SPEAKER_01:Travelling on the winds of time. Yes. More just like, so I can put you in the description, of course, anyway, but Instagram or websites or how do people find you guys?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, we just put on our Instagram, we put our 2025 schedule in. So if you're somewhere along the ways there, please say hello to us. Otherwise, Kamarub Singh is in Northampton. And the website is kamalroop.com. Yeah, that's right.
SPEAKER_01:We'll put that in the description. And what's the social so people could follow it if they want?
SPEAKER_00:Mine's just kamalroopsync and Shamir's is gridactivations.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, it's gridactivations.com.
SPEAKER_00:And thebluelyons1.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, thebluelyons.1 is of the Blue Lions and... grid.activations is my personal
SPEAKER_01:Instagram. Well, I'll do as well. I've got my own website where we have a free community links for people who I think are doing the work that align to myself and we'll get you a little spot on there as well so that anybody who can come to you guys and just understand your way of living life and if it resonates with the listeners, it's not that we're telling you to do it. This is something that you believe in or I believe in. You decide what's right for you. Do you mind seeing us out with a little mantra?
UNKNOWN:Sure.
SPEAKER_02:So
SPEAKER_01:guys, if you want to just take a moment, I know it's been a lot to digest, but let's take a few deep breaths in through the nose. And release. Because it feels so nice. Let's do it again. In through the nose. And if your eyes aren't already closed and we're not driving or operating heavy vehicles, please... The Blue Lions take you on a final journey.
SPEAKER_00:Ekonkar Satnam Kartapurk Nirpaul Nirvair Akalmurat Khajuni Saibam Gurprasad Jap Aad Sach Jugad Sach Hai Bhi Sach Nanak Hossi Bhi Sach
SPEAKER_01:Thank you for taking the time to come and join us and share your story. Of course, we can't sum you up, so hopefully we'll get you on as friends of the show now. We can have a deep dive. But otherwise, guys, peace and love. Thank you very much. Thank
SPEAKER_03:you. Thank you. Thank you.
SPEAKER_02:How
SPEAKER_01:beautiful are those two? I just love them. Go check out their music. I put all the links for the Blue Lions in the descriptions because they're doing events, ceremonies all over the place. So if you want to go and find out more about them, the links will be in the description. But how cool are they? I mean, if that didn't blow your mind, I don't know what will. I absolutely, that is my cup of tea, let's just say. Now, the next episode that's coming, I'm a massive nerd. And I don't know if you remember Craig's scene from episode two, season one. If you don't, go check him out because he's an absolute gangster. But he and me are not only massive nerds, but we're also really into sort of like the spiritual depth behind certain films and TV shows where it's got a bit more of a message than just, Oh, that was fun. So we decided to go through six different films or TV shows, but looking at the spiritual themes and we went deep. We went ultimate nerd, but ultimate wellness spiritual guys as well. So it was a cool little, I don't know how many people who were on that vibe and I'm one of them and Craig's the other. So that's a fantastic episode. I cannot wait to share that. And he's just had a baby as well. So go support the guys of Absolute G's, one of our facilitators who likes to work with the dream healer. being into the whole lucid dreaming world if you remember that from air season one now i'm really wanting to push out the boat so some of the dances and some of the journeys and some of the festivals i'm getting booked at they really are pushing the edges of what's normal and what's acceptable and then you realize all along what we think is normal and acceptable was nonsense. Why do you think it's such a sick society? So I'm really passionate about getting these new ways, anything that can help alleviate my suffering. I want to show you how to alleviate yours. We can all just live more peacefully. It sounds nice, right? So if you want anything to do with myself, one-to-ones, any of the events, classes, online, anything, walks, well, the links will be there for you. And of course, for Transmute Studio, which I love and I do so much work for as well. So the links are all there in the descriptions. Season... to episode 10 it's coming next time that's going to be an absolute mad one i go deep on star wars i'm a bit of a nerd i must warn you otherwise guys the lights really really pushed the show so if you did enjoy that conversation That one like would really appreciate that. But if you want to subscribe so you can just really see these beautiful guests that keep getting on, then that would also be brilliant. And if you want to share it to somebody else, well, sharing is caring, my friends. But otherwise, seek lions. Seek lions? No, blue lions. You are seek. The blue lions are special, man. Go check them out. I want to let you... Just resonate with them for a while and see how that sort of stuff just sits with you. But until the next show, I hope you have nothing but love and happiness. Until then, goodbye.
