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The Russo Brothers Return: Unpacking Avengers, Doctor Doom, and the MCU's Future

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Speaker 1:

Turning off normal human male mode. Switching to dad mode. Welcome in to dad mode With your hosts Bearded, Nova and Morph.

Speaker 2:

I guess we haven't done one of these episodes in ages, but essentially that list for Doomsday the other day. Did you, did you have a look at the casting list?

Speaker 3:

oh, my god, yes, I so I saw the tray, I saw the trailer the chairs, yeah yeah, yeah, I was like I was like what, what, what, what? That game is amazing, but there were still some names. I'm like wait where is? This person and this person and it was like a message.

Speaker 2:

I'm like you know. I'm surprised to not see the hulk in there.

Speaker 3:

I'm like oh yeah, wait, anthony mackie was there, right?

Speaker 2:

yeah, I think yeah, he's there, and then they got the falcon.

Speaker 3:

They basically got most of the current ross, but you know none of like the quote-unquote young avengers, like actually, I don't think so.

Speaker 2:

Anyway, like hayley steinfeld, the hot guy, yeah, miss, miss marvel, yeah, I don't remember seeing any of those I will say I'm, I'm getting back, that I will say there's been that bit of like a lull period with the mcu and now this is happening. I'm like all right, all right, that's, I'm coming back, I'm interested. Now I'll probably go see. I haven't gone and seen Captain America Brave.

Speaker 1:

New.

Speaker 2:

World. But now you know, of course I will see it at some point. But now that this is moving into the Doomsday Saga, like the Doctor Doom saga, I'm like all right now. All right now, I'm going to have to quickly catch back up on everything that's been happening.

Speaker 3:

You know, I haven't even watched daredevil. Yeah, I need to. I don't know it's. It's it's pretty good, it's I no spoilers or anything, but it's it's a continuation from the netflix series. Yeah, but it's a soft reboot in a way. They kind of introduce the character in a sense.

Speaker 2:

Again, that's that's what I was getting really slow build up, basically but that was the same with the original daredevil when it appeared on netflix. It was a very what was it? Four or five episodes before you actually got to to be the proper daredevil. So it was a slow build up to for matt to become who he is yeah, like my kids watch and he didn't see the, the other daredevil series.

Speaker 3:

He's like when's something gonna happen? You know there's like action every, every episode, but like it's not daredevil really, you know so, but it's, it's, I still enjoy it. So but, yeah, I'm the doomsday. When, when you, when I saw it, says avengers, doomsday, I'm like they're back. Yeah, like you know, like you know, like you know it's gonna be good. Like, even with all the problems they've had over the last four years or so, with movies being hit or miss, a lot of misses, you can tell they're back.

Speaker 2:

I'm just bringing up the picture that I sent you. There's been a lot of speculation around Captain America and his new Avengers team. Who is going to be the new Avengers team? Right, I'm looking at this list and I I'm even like how's this guy? Because Shang-Chi. I always thought he had to come into it. His movie was great.

Speaker 3:

I loved that movie.

Speaker 2:

It was really good I thought that movie was amazing so obviously I'm seeing Shang-Chi is probably going to be in there. I'm really surprised that the Falcon is going to be in there. I'm really surprised that the falcon is going to be in there with captain america, because that's kind of two dudes with wings. Do we need two flying dudes? I don't you.

Speaker 2:

You had that in the movie yeah, I know, I don't, I don't think I need that, but obviously the whole team is going to be in here because it's an avengers movie and I'm just looking at it going. Well, how does this work? Are we going to keep four, like as a bit of a grounded? He's been around before. We got like four, captain america, probably we would say, obviously san chi, that's three. And then I'm looking at this list. You've got gambit, like shenny. Chenny is gambit, he's not going to be an avenger, but I didn't see that one coming. Probably the falcon now, because you're looking at those, paul Rudd, ant-man, ant-man is he going to be an Avenger.

Speaker 3:

His last movie.

Speaker 2:

He had got killed, so yeah, I know, but is he going to be Avenger Like? I don't see any of the Fantastic being Avengers. They're the Fantastic.

Speaker 3:

Four. They're in there though, right yeah they're all in there.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, they're all fantastic four you got and then you've got. Yeah, everyone else has been in other movies. I just don't see as bucky barnes coming in, but he's, he's. He's in the list right, he's in the list. But then so is the red guardian and ghost like but they've, they've just been bringing the whole thunderbolts, but they're.

Speaker 3:

They're the thunderbolts for you in there. Who's?

Speaker 2:

in there, florence, florence, yeah, actually galena yep yeah, she's in there yeah, it's a very mixed. Like me trying to look at this list of who they got there, especially with nabor baku, black panther century, I'm like who is this team?

Speaker 3:

so now this seems like a spoiler, because they have the, they have the thunderbolts and they have lewis pullman as a century. Yes, all in here, even though the thunderbolts movie is coming out soon and I assumed that that meant that he was gonna die or something. But he's in the list that he's gonna be in the movie?

Speaker 2:

I don't think he knows. Yeah, I mean, I don't think the thunderbolts are strong enough to kill century.

Speaker 3:

Let's be no, he's like superman times. Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly like he.

Speaker 2:

He was obviously going to be around, but where does he sit? I mean, the only thing I can see off looking at this list is that some of obviously we got the Fantastic Four, which we will probably talk about very shortly, but you know, you've got a few different movies here that are coming together, which is obviously multiverse, merging. To have Channing Tatum, a lot of professor x and magneto, for example like you've, I was shocked to see those names on there blew my mind. But yeah, seeing a lot of and even uh, kelsey, grandma is the beast, like there's a few people james marston, cyclops there's a few movies here that seem to be merging all into one, is the best way to yeah, to put it to me like that's, that's what I'm seeing here, that you've grabbed a cast from five different movies and chucked them all into the same movie and went fuck it, let's just see what happens, right?

Speaker 3:

it's kind of cool. It's kind of cool like I can't. It'll be interesting to see how it, because there's all these older movies from other universes yeah, the styles are so different, you know, so like to bring them together. Is it's going to be?

Speaker 2:

it's the biggest, the biggest shock to me, besides professor x and magneto, like you know, yeah, wow, okay, but yeah, cool they've been, they've had a lot. We've got to introduce the x-men in, that's the characters that are so significant that you're like, okay, they have to be in some way or another a part of a multiverse, like Gambit. Channing Tatum as Gambit, that's the one that just blew my mind the biggest, going that obviously Deadpool 3, he ticked enough boxes out of Deadpool 3 for them to go, oh shit, we actually did miss the mark with not making that film.

Speaker 3:

And the funniest thing about him is when I first heard years and years and years ago that he wanted to do it, I was like no, because I don't think he's a good actor. And I was like you're just going to screw up Dick Gambit. But when they had him move, I'm like you're not actually that bad. It's kind of funny.

Speaker 2:

He kind of fucking nailed it to me.

Speaker 3:

I'm like, yeah, he got fucking nailed it to me like, yeah, you got it. I felt that I was like, yeah, he's, yeah, it wasn't bad, it really wasn't bad. So I'm glad that they're giving him a shot at having him come back, yeah, and do something I think he was kind of cool though if they included some like like their daredevil characters, like have like the street level guys merge with, with you know, the, the bigger one yeah, like a luke cage.

Speaker 2:

Who's luke cage has been in the avengers? Yeah, yeah, the comics, yeah, that's yep, I don't dare to. He's always floated around. But luke cage is someone you could bring in, but I guess they'd have to reboot him as well, wouldn't they? I don't, I don't feel like they should, I think that was fine enough. It was fine enough to use the same actor and bring it over, but whatever so he's all the this huge list of names they shared with us.

Speaker 3:

You know that there's names that they aren't sharing too. You know there are. Yeah right, which is insane because it's already an enormous list, but you know there's they're gonna throw in some oh shit moments. I wonder what the costing budget is. This movie's got to be a billion dollars to make Like it's gotta be Cause, like, or all those people they might have like one minute roles, because there's no way you're paying a full $20 million for every single actor. You know you can't afford it.

Speaker 2:

No, no, no. Robert Downey jr Takes up 50% of the budget. Yeah.

Speaker 3:

His salary is insane. I thought it was funny when he said I'm going to retire and I'm like, but you're making so much money from these things.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah, I was so surprised that he did that. I do wonder, though, if this you know, I am saying this is probably going to be an amazing movie. It's something that we haven't had in quite some time in the saga, and it needs to. It needs to happen, but if it doesn't land, I'll be very done.

Speaker 2:

As much as I love the mcu, they're done that that will kill them passionately if it does not land the way it should. We'll see. But, like I said, this, this what is the six? We're into the six, phase six. Now I want to say, yeah, it's shaping up to be pretty cool, but the, the fantastic. We haven't spoken since it, but like the fantastic trailer that was, that was good, that right, I love it. I like the cast, I'm liking the, the set, but yeah, the, the world that that's set in, like like the 60s I think the 60s.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, I imagine what they're gonna do is like they're starting there. I think they already have their powers or something. Yeah, I'm gonna bet when they start the movie they're in modern times and I bet it was some kind of like a time travel portal thingy that got them from the 60s to where they are, because you know they're gonna have them in modern day I think what it is is that.

Speaker 2:

That it is. We're gonna be like a similar to spider-man. They've already got their powers straight out the gate. You know, we're, we're, we're meeting the fantastics. As it is already, they're already famous. Everyone knows who they are. We will get obviously tons of flashbacks, probably throughout the movie, of how they came to be, um, but the 60s is their universe.

Speaker 3:

They're in a modern age set in the 60s, so they're there.

Speaker 2:

I got it you know they've obviously got yeah, I'm seeing as it's a modern age world, their universe it is. You know it's 2025. However, it still has the stylings of the 60s, that feel of the 60s, and then, and then with galactus, obviously mr fantastic is the man who helps. You know spoiler alert come up with the multiverse and traveling in between the multiverse to a degree. That's you know.

Speaker 2:

I feel like the fantastic's gonna set us up to dr doom. They're the strong push into it and at some point, dr doom has already been controlling multiverse to a degree. He's, he's really been in control of kang. That's why they're just gonna blow kang off real quick. Sadly, as much as kang could have been cool, they they're gonna quickly blow. It's really dr doom who's been in charge of fanos and kang. The whole time he's he's been pulling the strings to set up this multiverse joining, merging, coming together. Possibly we'll get battle world out of it at some point, but that's where the join is, so that doomsday is where fantastix are going to go from. I don't even know if they've said which universe they are, but they'll come over to the six, six, two, six, two, six or something six two six.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, all right, blank there for a second. But that's when they're going to come over, because their universe is going to get destroyed or something's going to happen which is going to make richard and the team come over. That's you know. They're coming to stop doom, because doom's from their, their multi, their universe as well, or something like that. You know, maybe, maybe, maybe doom traveled, traveled over to the, the prime universe, and that's you know. He's noticed that tony stark is like an anchor to a degree or something like that. He's the yeah, he's being the man that everyone's looked up to. Holy shit, we look to, we look similar, or something. He's been hanging in the background or yeah, in a way I'm surprised spider-man's not there I am too.

Speaker 3:

But who says he won't show up? Right, yeah, yeah, or it could. It could be Andrew Garfield or Tobey Maguire. They've introduced them as Spider-Man. I was thinking Tom.

Speaker 2:

Holland only because of the relationship between Tom Holland and Iron man. But you know, robert Downey, it's like if anyone's going to feel that significance of someone Dr Dream coming and having the face of of iron man, it's going to be tom holland's, going to be the the biggest shock to him do you think that robert downer jr as a variant of victor von doom?

Speaker 3:

do you think he's going to be dr doom in the series? Like I've always thought that. Like they're introducing him to hook people in, but then they'll make him a variant, but there's another Doctor Doom. They'll basically repurpose part of that Kang storyline and have somebody else be the actual Doctor Doom.

Speaker 2:

That's good. That's an interesting theory.

Speaker 3:

I do like that At first, it just seems weird to me to throw another five, six years of Robert Downey Jr as another guy, you know.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, that's an interesting one to think of. That I was thinking at first when it was announced it was that storyline where dr doom takes over iron man's like clones basically mirrors himself because they were rivals for his school and the jealousy and the rest of it. That's where I originally thought it was. But now he's saying like a horsely a variant, he's just a variant, that's the one way it looks. That I think that's probably. We've had a lot of variant talks in the through the kang saga to a degree multiverse saga that it probably is a variant that they might he might only be around for one movie and then at the end of it another variant comes and takes him out because it was unlike marvel to show you who the villain is that quickly.

Speaker 3:

You know what I mean. Like I guess it feels like misdirection to me.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, it would be it would be actually be really nice for them to pull that off, especially just having another actor quiet in the background for so long you know, and not get leaked yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3:

If they do have someone else like, actually is the dr doom, it's got to be a big actor, it can't be a nobody. It's got to be a big name.

Speaker 2:

It's funny that someone I've always thought that would look great.

Speaker 3:

Dr doom would be pedro pascal, but he's fantastic you know what I mean like he right I think he would be a great dr doom yeah, yeah, I don't know who would I mean, because he's kind of generic in a way. You know, in terms of like you know, but I think you need you need a name actor to to play him, but that would be really cool. Like you know, all of a sudden you see like turn back into whoever he was, or that character dies and the real dr doom pops up, or yeah, something crazy like that yeah, that's that I'm interested in about like a battle dream or world war hulk situation that's, that's where I'm hoping they use dr doom, because dr doom has such potential for so much yeah, all I know is I really want to see more cavalrine, because henry cavill is wolverine was awesome they said they get it bigger than wolverine is in the comics.

Speaker 2:

But I don't care, he'll, he'll kill that part yeah, and then they're saying they're going to use him for something else, though, haven't they like it's always been the talk that he's being used for another role?

Speaker 3:

they've got another role, and it's captain britain or something like that. They talk about that a lot.

Speaker 2:

I get it. Captain britain would be cool, but the captain britain isn't really big.

Speaker 3:

You know what I mean right, right, I loved the green take.

Speaker 2:

It was awesome yeah the wolverine, the cavillan would be amazing. Even dead it would, I mean sure, because like deadpool, he didn't want to do another one. But that's been such an excess and it's like, oh cool, we kind of should do something else more with deadpool. Do we bring deadpool in somewhere else in the mcu? But then all the drama around ryan reynolds and blake lively and that apparently has been very harsh. I've heard, I'm hearing on the back end when it comes to disney and ryan reynolds and Disney's kind of like a I don't know if we want to get up close and personal with you, we kind of want to put some distance between each other.

Speaker 3:

I guess I mean. But to be fair, I mean, ryan Reynolds seemed to be born for the role of Deadpool Because his personality is Wade Wilson's personality, but he's also wearing a mask. 98 of the movie. You could have another actor and just have a voice actor that's somewhat similar to him doing the doing the lines.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, you could, you could I think the problem is moving with daredevil and his character. So far has been ryan. Ryan's involvement in the writing yeah, all the films and him being able to write his own comedy into it. It'd be hard to get another writer to write, just to do it the way it needs to be. I mean it's, yeah, like we said, ryan reynolds was made to be dead. That was the same with, at first, when you know, robert downey jr and iron man, now that he's been iron, yeah, you can't picture anyone else being iron man. You know it's a no, they're gonna look at him.

Speaker 3:

It's like jesus christ't picture anyone else being iron man. You know it's a no. You look at him. It's like jesus christ. He was made to be iron man right because his other one were like. His off-screen personalities seemed so much like tony stark exactly this crazy playboy kind of guy, you know.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I mean I know he's a sober guy. He's not this playboy that he used to be, but he was, he was yeah yeah, I, I can't wait for it.

Speaker 3:

It's like what? A two, three years away, something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can't wait. I already can't wait for it.

Speaker 2:

The other one you know back to avengers team somewhere I'm kind of missing off that list. Chris pratt, barlord's, barlord's on earth.

Speaker 3:

He could join the avengers he is on earth, isn't he? Yeah, the rest of the guardians are still off, wherever, but or the new guardian team, the new guardian team, but yeah, he's on earth.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, he's on earth. He's just chilling in the house. He's laughing in. I think he's in like in wisconsin or something like yeah you're right, he's not doing anything.

Speaker 3:

Maybe that's one of those like it'll be a secret surprise or something like that. Yeah, there's no way that was the. That was as many people as it was. There's no way that was the whole list, Especially when you look at what the end game was. Why would they? Why would they leak everything? So?

Speaker 2:

soon yeah. I mean maybe they just wanted to build on that hype at the moment to see, I need to. I didn't even check Now. Now you're going to make me. Just looking at the release date may next year. Of course, most avengers movies have always been released around may, haven't they?

Speaker 3:

yeah, I feel like they looked at summer market.

Speaker 2:

I feel like I'd normally claim as a birthday present for myself. But yeah, there's another movie I saw just shifting away from marvel for a second that I'm really I was talking to some friends about last night.

Speaker 3:

The legend of zelda is having a live action movie oh okay, I've never really been into that franchise, but cool I don't know.

Speaker 2:

I feel like it's something that's just gonna go really bad. You know, I'm thinking 1986 super mario brothers level, like I'm feeling like it's bad, it could be horribly bad and especially since it's a team up of sony pictures and nintendo and and they're gonna, they're keeping everything a lot, they, they, they've released the, the release date for 2027, march 2027. However, they haven't talked about cast and they're keeping that all tight-lipped on who's starring as who, and I feel like it's going to be one of those movies that really needs to have pre-screening, just get some testing done, just to see how it sits with the audience, because if they don't do that, it will. Yeah, yeah, I know a lot of people complained about chris pratt being mario at the time. I personally, I personally thought it was a great movie.

Speaker 3:

I enjoyed it yeah, the only thing I didn't like really his. He changed his accent several times during the during the movie.

Speaker 2:

I do get that, but I guess the best way to put it did you, could you handle a whole, whole movie with traditional mario? I don't think anyone knows. No, no one could, no one could. And that's why at the start of that movie they made the joke about the voice with their commercial. You know that they, they, they purposely made that joke about it being a silly voice.

Speaker 3:

Um, yeah, so I looked it up. So, surprise to my surprise, doomsday comes out in about one year may, may 1st, 2026, really. Yeah, like we're gonna film all writing that script and getting all those people together and like, feel my gut in one year from now? Yeah, they must. They must be far, much further into production than I thought they were.

Speaker 2:

I guarantee you, they are way further in production. There's, there's a lot more, I guess movies. I think movies are starting way before. They're getting told nowadays or talked about like there might be hints or something. Marvel, marvel does their roadmap, basically their game plan, this is what we're planning to do over the next so long and then that's. You know, that's it. They probably started way beforehand. You know we're thinking, oh cool, they're still doing their fantastix. I guarantee you fantastix is done. It's all in post processing at the moment. That's probably where we're at. We'll say by the end of the year doomsday has gone into final cut and effects and tweaking and polishing. And if they need to reshoot something within six months, you know they've got a couple of months to reshoot if something doesn't land, the testing or whatever. But yeah, it's gonna be a big saga for marvel big.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, yeah it is. And everyone's excited to have the russo brothers back because they did such a great job and all the other marvel movies. So, yeah, but this is their shot to get back on, to get really back on track.

Speaker 2:

You know they can't fuck this up especially after the letdown of build up towards kang and then everything that happened with you know the drama there. Yeah, personally, I think they should have just fucking recast, just should have just recast. There's. There's plenty of actors I think could have. You could have just shot straight in being a way better, even if you're going for that appearance or tone or look. There's actors that you could have done. That would have been close, close enough. That is full of day compared to yeah, I think we talked about ages ago compared to war machine, but that was a big no offense. They don't really look similar in a way. They're very, they're very different actors.

Speaker 3:

So there's a very different guy it's very.

Speaker 2:

you know cheetles is quite a smaller man, so to have him it's like our war machine had a drug problem. He's gone through some shit. He's now come out on the other side just shriveled. But you could have done that with Kang, we could still have.

Speaker 3:

I liked that storyline. I thought it was very interesting sounding.

Speaker 2:

Exactly.

Speaker 3:

But they're going to kill it.

Speaker 2:

So I was just double checking what phase six was here, just so I could look at it. So, yes, kicking off with Fantastic Four mid-year, moving into Blade so I don't know where I'm feeling with Blade. And then we got Avengers 5 and 20, which is Doomsday, and then a year after that we move into Secret Wars, which would be pretty cool. Yes, it will. Allegedly. We have Armored Wars, Armor Wars and Shang-Chi 2, which I've been waiting for a follow-up from the first movie for ages. So I'm disappointed. I know it's to be confirmed, but I'm really hoping that it's here within the next 12 months. I'd like something maybe even next year. I'm happy to wait till next year for it, but I'm not interested in waiting to the end of the. I'm not waiting to the end of Phase 6 for number two. I want that sooner rather than anything.

Speaker 3:

Armored Wars. I really want to see Moon Knight again too. I want him to be in something.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah, we can bring him back, he can come over too.

Speaker 3:

I want them to do like a sun's midnight thing.

Speaker 2:

That's what I want. That's that's where you throw them all in there like, oh, that would be awesome. I mean, armor war sounds interesting. It's good to you know have war machine come into it. I guess I don't know if iron heart would be in it. Maybe she'd be. I didn't look into what would be in armored wars Wars, but you know we need to bring her up into. Ironheart needs to be. I know she's getting her own series etc. But I think they need to push her more up there now.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, and I don't think she was listed in this cast list. But if she's going to be like your Iron man replacement, she should have more prominent, you know.

Speaker 2:

Yeah placement replacement she should have more prominent. You know, yeah, placement that, as much as I like, I'm just going to change shifts a little bit over to black panther. Yep, with siri as the black panther at the moment I'm I'm interested if possibly, with doomsday, multiverse, mer mergings et cetera, are we going to get another variant of Black Panther that shifts it back to male, so Suri can actually be Suri, not Black Panther. I know that it was never the plan and because of everything, they kind of shifted pivots and force her to be black panther. But this is this multiverse merging is an opportunity to actually bring in a new black panther. I guess it is. It is absolutely, I guess, an opportunity to recast.

Speaker 3:

I know they said they and I I know they said they wouldn't, but I always wanted them to. Yeah, sure, he becomes black cancer in the comics, but you move that way too fast. Yeah, that was too fast.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, especially after, like the first, the first movie, and then, yeah, the the, the few times that we did did get to see Chad work and it was amazing, it was amazing.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, yeah, absolutely, absolutely. I'm about out of ideas here.

Speaker 2:

I'm happy to wrap that up here. We haven't done a Marvel catch-up in ages. We really need to talk about this stuff because it's been quite some time. Unload our ideas that's been floating around for it anyway. Yeah, absolutely no doubt we'll talk about the Fantastics in a few months' time. I can't wait to see that. Yeah, I can see it. I'm very excited for that one time. I can't wait to see that. Yeah, I can see it. I'm very excited for that one.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, I want to be able to forget about all the other Fantastic Four movies that have ever come out.

Speaker 2:

I don't want to ever have to think about it. I don't even know what you're talking about Exactly.

Speaker 3:

Exactly.

Speaker 1:

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