What's in Your Future? | The Reunion: Where Are They Now

Eight years ago, we invited a group of 7th and 8th graders into our home every summer for a program we called "What's in Your Future." We were preparing our son for life after high school — and decided to bring his friends along for the ride. We gave them binders they had to call their futures. We taught them budgeting, life skills, and the mantra that would follow them: my future is my responsibility.

Those kids are now college seniors, juniors, and one just graduated.

We brought them back.

In this reunion episode, we sit down with eight young adults for a real conversation — not the highlight reel. We talk about what they actually remember from those sessions, what they believed at 13 that they've had to completely rethink, how they're navigating independence from their parents, and where they are in figuring out career and calling. They talk trades, switching majors, saying yes to opportunities they never expected, and learning the difference between critical thinking and emotional thinking.

This episode is for every parent raising a young adult, every mentor investing in the next generation, and every young person trying to figure out who they're becoming.

Topics covered:

• Love, Dating, & Relationships
• What it costs to become an adult. 
• Career direction and calling. 
• Identity in college.
• Independence from parents. 
• Life skills nobody taught you. 
• How mentorship shapes a generation.

Transcript

Special Edition Reunion Setup

Eugene 0:19

Welcome to another episode of W Winning Team Podcast. This is a special edition. Y'all hear extra voices. If you're watching us on YouTube, you see some extra faces. But this is a special edition of the Winning Team Podcast. I am your host, Eugene. And I am Latanya. And we are the winning team. For probably seven or eight years, really, we were just trying to get our son ready for college. And we often would ask the question of what's in your future. But after we started doing that, my wife was like, well, why don't we just invite other people to come along this ride as we're preparing here for college, preparing here for not just college, but preparing him for his future, whatever that may hold. And so we had one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, a couple more, eight, nine. And actually the first year was some other faces. So roughly I'll say between nine and ten wonderful young adults in our home for seven or eight years straight, every summer for six to seven weeks, and it was just an amazing time. So we thought that it would be a great idea. Then now that they are, I ain't even gonna say grown, they're young adults. You know, but we do have one person that's grown, graduated from college now, and she, you know, got her own job. She's not here, but you know, we love Katrina. But but my thing is that this is young adults. So we decided to have an episode where we can catch up with these young adults and just talk about life. So before we jump into that, we want to ask just the question is what do you actually remember?

SPEAKER_05 1:57

Wait, wait, should we introduce them?

Eugene 1:59

That's a good idea. Introduce themselves. Yeah, we can.

Meet The Young Adult Panel

SPEAKER_05 2:02

Yes.

Eugene 2:02

So we can go around the room. Um, anybody want to start? Anyone?

SPEAKER_05 2:07

I can start. So and I would say you can say, just throw out your name, where you are college-wise, um, college and career-wise. Um, yeah, that's about it. Because we'll get into some other stuff as we go deep.

SPEAKER_08 2:23

So yeah. Okay, hi, I'm Tumiya. Um, I'm going into my senior year of uh college at Michigan State University.

SPEAKER_02 2:31

Go Green.

SPEAKER_08 2:32

Go white. Um majoring in environmental engineering. Um, yeah, almost close to that grad life.

SPEAKER_02 2:40

Hey, man, that's great. Um, I'm Micah. Um, I am a senior now at Bradley University. Um, I'm a double major in sports communication and journalism with a minor in media production.

unknown 2:56

All right.

SPEAKER_09 2:58

My name is AJ Thomas. I am currently working full-time whilst trying to get into the trades.

Eugene 3:04

That's awesome. That's the next level of millionaires. How about fat eyes?

SPEAKER_00 3:11

Yeah, I got you. Gotcha. Uh, my name is Jeremiah Aiken. Um, currently I'm enrolled at Cole College going into my senior year, um, majoring in business, uh, trying to become a sports management uh major uh to become a coach. Let's go.

SPEAKER_01 3:28

My name is Noah Hampton. I attend Tennessee State University and I'm majoring in finance and I'm going into my sophomore year. Let's go. And I haven't done really anything career yet. I just got started, so that's all right.

SPEAKER_06 3:43

My name is Nadia Blevins Brooks. I'm uh second year at Wubonzi Community College, getting my associates this December. I'm major in finance as well as I'm a pre-law student, and I'll be going into NIU next semester. Let's go.

SPEAKER_07 4:08

I am Katie Slaughter. I am going into my junior year at Villac University, and my major is business management with a minor in digital marketing.

Eugene 4:19

That's awesome. Very good.

Lessons From The Future Binders

Eugene 4:22

So now I'll I'll just do a little shift because again, as we said, we met with y'all for seven years that we got on y'all's nerves for every single summer. Every summer. But y'all kept showing up. I don't know if you didn't because your parents made you come, but but the fact that you all again are here right now says a lot for us. We we're honored. But what actually do you remember about the what's in your future sessions? What what stuck with you? What's one thing? And it's it's open. Anybody can jump in.

SPEAKER_07 4:53

My future is my responsibility.

Eugene 5:00

So I do gotta put a tidbit there because what we what we did is that we had they all had binders. And and what happened about those binders is that they couldn't, once they started the program, they could no longer call it a binder, they had to call it their future. And so every time they came, they had we would contribute something to their future, and they had to contribute something to their future. And the mantra of the day was always my future is my responsibility. My future is my responsibility. So imagine someone showing up and they don't have their future. And I said, Where's your future? Oh, I left my future, I lost my future. I lost I get another one. So it was just a way, words have power, and so it was a way of helping them to take responsibility for their future, what they contributed to their future. And many of them, um, not only did we contribute to their future, they would we would ask them too, what have you contributed to your future this week? And then we would have a conversation about what they've contributed. And I don't know who did anybody uh did we I know we invest, I don't remember who we we gave money. We've even invested and start gave money to start bank accounts or or brokerage accounts. It was just great. We had a good time, but anybody else, what what did you learn? Or what did you remember from the session? Not even something you learned.

SPEAKER_09 6:27

You actually brought mine up. Uh it was one time I came and it was the beginning of the summer, and I couldn't find mine. You're like, my future. It was like you left your future at the crib. What's going on? So, uh, what you said about like having like words that mean something, that definitely stuck with me. Like having the idea of leaving your future somewhere, you know. So I uh definitely went home and found that brother the next time.

SPEAKER_05 6:56

It was a little pressure. I feel like it was a pressure on my life. Why you ain't got your future? Why are you gonna have your future?

Eugene 7:01

So some of you decorated the fronts of your future. Do you remember it? It was kind of like your version of the vision board. Um, do some of y'all remember what y'all put on the front of y'all future? Yeah, I remember I think I changed mine every summer.

SPEAKER_09 7:20

I had uh a picture of Kobe and a Rolex for sure. I remember that.

SPEAKER_04 7:24

Yes, great.

SPEAKER_02 7:26

I remember I just put uh I just spelled my name out in those like sticky, like little sticky letters. I think I had a basketball too, because I was still playing basketball at the time of high school. So I think yeah, I think I had I got drawing of myself in like the future. I don't really remember exactly what uh what it was, but I mean, it was definitely something future related, but okay.

Eugene 7:54

Anybody else?

SPEAKER_05 7:56

I'll I'll share one of probably my favorite memories. There's probably two that I could really share. One is the supermarket, it's really the Walmart.

SPEAKER_02 8:09

Oh my whose the Walmart, the Walmart. Who forgot about it? I can't get off.

SPEAKER_05 8:28

So we we were doing a whole life skill section on really what it costs to live. Um, and so they had money that we then they had to go shopping, they had a list, maybe I think they had a list. Um they had to feed a family of four. Yeah, they had to feed a family of four with this amount of money. And so some had kids, I think some didn't have kids. And then what we then did was they the food that we bought and purchased, we then donated it to um a food pantry. And so it was really a life skill around how much living cost. Um, and I remember I feel like it was Katie, I feel like it was well, Katie was on the floor in the middle of the. I'm not sure how we ended up on the floor. Um, but then I feel like somebody was like, it cost a lot to be to be an adult. We like, yes, it does. Um so that's probably one of my favorite memories of the activities that we have.

Eugene 9:24

One of my favorite memories is when you all had to uh when we we said uh your your grade point average equals choices, and so I think we gathered all of your grade point averages, and your grade point average was then associated with what you would earn, and then we set up stations all around the place, and then you had to go and buy a house, buy a car, get insurance, and work your budget. Many of you figure it out real fast because some of you went straight for the cars and then you didn't have enough money, you didn't have enough money to eat at the end of the day, but that was just again another activity of trying to help you figure out budgeting, life skills, etc.

SPEAKER_02 10:01

Very good. A moment I remember, especially I appreciate the it was like the last year, the movies we watched. Like higher learning and um school days. Everybody's saying the G5G. I didn't specifically use to say that, but I love I remember the movies though. The movies are really cool. Um, just seeing how college life was because we were all close to our last years in high school. Um, I actually appreciate that. It made me feel more comfortable about going into college and like the different clicks that would be there because I've seen how parties look like, and I mean that they were like what they were they're exaggerating for the movies, but um still it showed how the college life looked like, not just as a student, but as a black student, and I really appreciated that getting that view, and now going to college, it was movies are actually kind of true in a lot of aspects, so I actually appreciate that. And the movies were really enjoyable too.

Rethinking What 13-Year-Old You Believed

Eugene 11:02

Great. So shifting a little bit, thinking about when we first started, what's in your future? So I'm saying y'all had to be around 12 or 13. So, what did you believe at 12 or 13 that you absolutely had to rethink now at 20, 2019, 20, and 21?

SPEAKER_00 11:25

Um I would say time. Um, you know, especially with, you know, as a kid, you know, you have your parents to do everything for you. But uh now like understanding there's the more things you have to prioritize, uh especially with having a job, needing all things to pay for, um, other responsibilities. I think time especially is the more important thing in life because you know that's the one thing you can't get back. So now you having to be an adult to understand, you know, how to prioritize.

SPEAKER_07 11:56

Definitely to add on to that. Like, when I first got here, I was just like, oh, when I get to college, I'm gonna have everything figured out, like, I'm gonna be grown. No, that is not the case. Like, there are still so many things that I'm like figuring out and like struggling with, and like I thought, like, you know, I would be more independent, but I still call my parents almost every day. Like, y'all, I don't know what to do. So it's like just seeing that difference of like I still need my parents, but like there is a aspect of independence, so it's like balancing that and like just you know, stumbling your way through every day. Yeah, it's very good.

SPEAKER_05 12:37

It's a muscle you have to you have to exercise. Independence is a is a muscle, and it's a thing that doesn't just happen automatically. Um, but also I think even dependence on people, like it's okay to still depend on people, but then also trying to navigate who you are in the in the mix of of that. So that's that's real talk, okay. That's real, yeah.

Eugene 13:02

And the whiplash is probably I can't wait till I get out of this house, I'll be on my own, be grown. Wait, I still need them.

SPEAKER_05 13:07

Yeah. Like, wait, I don't have no money to be on my own. Yeah, like uh-uh, wait a minute. Anybody else think what did you believe at 13? That you had to completely rethink.

SPEAKER_00 13:22

Um, just a piggyback off of uh what you guys just said, um also I think relationships too. Um, because like I know some of you know, like I'm a quiet guy. Um you know, just understanding, you know, um, to be even successful or have a successful like life outside of um just you know your own personal life, you know, you're gonna have to build relationships and that's gonna help you succeed in the end because you know, as much as you know, a lot of people, especially nowadays, want to be independent, you know, there's still that you know need to rely on people because sometimes you know you can't figure everything out by ourselves. And you know, just building those connections and um you know relationships with others, you know, helps you get known more and helps you be able to um be more successful down the road, um, especially when you retire or um you know that's authenticity back off of that's very good.

Eugene 14:10

Yeah, I was a very insecure, I'll say, teenager. And so for me, it was pride, it was my pride wouldn't allow me to ask for help. And so what happened is I just started trying to figure out everything on my own. And so I did become a very resourceful person, but you will get further, you can go faster by yourself. It's a quote that says you can go faster by yourself, but it says you can get further with other people. So I think that you're you're spot on. It's like now it's just a matter of creating the right relationships so that those relationships, based on your future, and you don't want to just use people, but you want to make sure that you can contribute as well, but having the right relationships where y'all both can can uh help one another. That's good.

Identity, Emotions, And Better Decisions

SPEAKER_05 15:00

So I'm a I'm gonna throw in this, so kind of piggybacking on those same kind of concepts around independence and even like you who you're who you were at 13 and who you now are at 21 are completely different people. Um, who are you? If you had to like identify who you are becoming, or let me now let me even before I say that, what are you learning about yourself after now being in college and having some space from your parents now and from your family system and really building out your own systems? Who are what are you learning about who you are and then who are you becoming?

SPEAKER_01 15:42

Well, I'm learning about myself is that no matter how hard I try, that not everybody's gonna like me. And I learned that my first year was just having a roommate that didn't really like me or didn't really care too much, even though I tried to be kind, and that regardless of like what I do or like how I act around somebody, and if I believe that I'm doing the best for them or like listening to them or hearing them out, it's just it's not always gonna be somebody who wants to be around you.

SPEAKER_06 16:13

That's very good. That's so good. That's so good. Yep. I think for me, I just learned how to sit back and like watch a situation rather than jump into the situation. Because you guys all know when I was 13 I used to be a little rowdy child. But like now I'm more of the type to um sit back and just watch what happens and figure out my place, and if I'm not supposed to be in that space, I let myself go. I don't feel the need to try to make myself a part.

SPEAKER_07 16:58

What I'm learning about myself is that I can't control it all, and I have to be okay with that because I like if something is not going my way, I like to just like jump and see how I can fix it, like where is it going wrong and what I can control the situation, but the reality is that like many situations you have no control over, like you have to let it play out, and I have to like I'm learning to allow my emotions to just let it play out in that controller being and stress myself out over not being able to control it.

SPEAKER_00 17:33

Um and audio, um I think one thing is like definitely you know being able to think for yourself in certain situations, but also understanding the difference between a critical thinker and an emotional thinker. Um because you know, especially like you know, especially when you're in situations, you know, especially with those close to you, sometimes you act off of impulse and you know, that kind of you know, my back-to-back in the end. So just understanding, like, you know, Nadia said taking patience and just sitting back and understanding a situation and you know, looking at the best outcomes because sometimes, you know, it's not gonna be that best outcome for you, even though you might think it is. But the thing is, you know, just for me, understanding and being able to mature and understand, you know, even though that's not the right situation, it's not the end of the world, being able to move on from it, and yeah, that's very good.

Eugene 18:22

Critical thinking versus emotional thinking to me is a big one. And I I've had to learn to be, I I said slightly different, but it's the same. You can respond to a situation or you can react. And usually reactions are emotional and responses are thoughtful and even prayerful. You're not impulsive, as you said, and doing it in the in the moment, and so I think that that's so on point because a lot of people get in trouble for being emotional. There's a whole lot of people that are in jail for being emotional or being in situations, they make a temporary decision that impacts them permanently, and you just have to be mindful of that. So that's very, very good to even start thinking that way. And I know you may have heard this, but like your brains don't fully develop until you're like 25. And so you don't even have the necessarily the capacity to consider all that you need to consider, one from life experiences and the other just from nurture and then growing. So that's why wise counsel is always important, is because asking people for help that gives you the opportunity to say, hey, what do you think about this? Or hey, I'm thinking about doing this. What should I be thinking about? Because there's always, even me at the age I am, I'm always asking people because I don't know everything. But as soon as you think you know everything, you'll either respond in the moment because you're being emotional, or you'll do it because you don't think you need help. And then you can make sometimes it's not even a bad decision, it's just not the best possible decision. So I love your I love your analogy.

SPEAKER_05 20:01

And the reality to your lives is that for 18 years, people were telling you what to do. You know, it was telling you when to go to school, when to get up, even when you get to school, when you go to move to classes, what's going to happen. And so now when you all are now out of that, and it's now like, oh my god, I gotta control this situation. I don't want to. I don't want to be in control, you know, I don't want to, or or it's now stressful that you now have to have these and really make these decisions um sometimes that are in the moment that sometimes people other people when you all were in school, or how we would um have some play dates. We plan in play dates for you all, you know, people controlled your lives for so long, and so now um when you now have to do that on your own, it feels uncomfortable, you know. It feels like, oh my god, this is stressing me out. I don't want to do this, you know. But it's again that muscle that you guys are beginning to exercise. And I'm sure your parents are saying, All right, you're you're an adult now. What this looks like, what this feel like? So I think this is great insight for you all to be able to have that and and know that this forming who you are, it's forming and it's really forming this season of your life. It's not forming all of it, but it's this season of your

When Parents Pull Back On Purpose

SPEAKER_05 21:22

life.

Eugene 21:22

So do you all feel your parents because you're talking about independence? Do you have you felt your parents pull back from making decisions for you and are now asking you what you think and why you think that, or trying to get you to make the decisions yourselves? And if so, how does that make you feel?

SPEAKER_08 21:39

I don't think we want to quit. Oh, um, for me, I'm kind of happy my parents are like pushing away from me or like letting me make my decisions. It's allowing me to think. I don't know, I feel like they like were such like a crutch that were like carrying me along the way, and like now that they've like really like hands off the most part, it feels really good. I feel like I can think for myself, make the best decision, really think through the situation of like my own mindset, not have to think through them, is how I'd put it. So yeah, it's allowed me to like really think for myself.

SPEAKER_05 22:12

I love that. Think through them. I love that for me. Yeah, that's that's a bar. I've been I've been trying to my kids hating my that's a bar. Um, but it is that's a bar. I like that word. What if I hated? Go ahead and not in.

SPEAKER_06 22:30

Um, I think as as a 22-year-old, I think my parents have really definitely stepped back after having sent me to college and then me coming back home from college and choosing to go to a community college afterwards. It was like they were letting me make my own choices and decisions. They tried to help me understand my own choices and decisions, but it was more of it was my choice, my decision, you make it. Um, but they were there to at least kind of guide me. Um they wouldn't guide me into a direction that they wanted, it was more of a guide me into an understanding of why I'm gonna make those choices, and I really appreciated that.

Eugene 23:15

Yeah. That's good. Very good. Because it's your choice, that means it's also your consequence. Because your future is giving you a responsibility.

SPEAKER_05 23:26

Responsibility.

Getting Locked In On Careers

SPEAKER_05 23:27

Okay, we're gonna shift gears just a little bit um in terms of now looking at again the your your future, and and part of that is like career and calling. What do you feel like you're wanting to do? And and here's the thing like we know that this is um what we're loving is the discovery that you all are on. That's that's exactly what I believe these years of your lives are about, discovering who you are, your identity, um, who you are with disconnected, not maybe not disconnected, but who you're forming, who you're becoming, um, what you like, what you don't like, you know, and even beginning to form your own values. Um, and you have some foundational pieces around the values, um, but really this season of your lives is really trying to is on discovering what you're looking into. So now, in terms of where you all are, so now I'm looking at careers and where you want to go. Where are you in terms of your career direction? Do you feel like you locked in? Do you feel like you still searching, or somewhere in between?

SPEAKER_02 24:35

To be honest, as like I got through college and like I've my eyes have kind of opened. I try new things. I feel like I am locked in with what I want to do being in sports broadcasters, but I feel like the opportunities I've had with the different roles I've been in have expanded, like of what I want to do, like on like side side jobs, like doing music is cool. I want to do that too on the side, like doing music for y'all, doing music for y'all, wanting to do music for movies and like video games and making my own music as well. I feel like that's a really good outlet. And um, of course, um also just being a journalist, being on it, like being in front of the camera and behind the camera. Um, with my mind, it helps me a lot doing that because I want to do sports documentaries too, want to be a producer for those. Um, going on what's watching those has been a big impact on what made me want to be behind the scenes for that. And um, I really do enjoy doing that. So I feel like within that entertainment field with sports, I could there's the possibilities are really endless to me, to be honest.

unknown 25:49

Okay.

Eugene 25:50

That's great. Yeah, when you first start a career, you don't, I mean, a lot of times you go to college, but colleges to me is to help you think. And then once you start getting exposure to the industry, you're like, oh wow, that I can do this job, this job, that job. So it's great. Exposure is always good. So um just getting to know people in your community, getting to know it's it's always a good thing. So who else? Locked in, still searching, something somewhere in between.

SPEAKER_09 26:13

By locked in, y'all mean like uh kind of at the final stage, whatever you think it means. Okay. Um I'll take it like locked in, meaning like uh like focused on what I want to do. Yeah, and I think that I'm locked in on what I want to do, and I guess like now I'm just discovering that there's more competition than what I thought it would be, because I'm used to hearing people like getting into things like trades like straight out of high school, and I'm finding that it's a lot more that you have to go through nowadays because it's so much more competitive, and I haven't deterred, I haven't been deterred by that, but it's just a little uh you know, just a little bit of an obstacle, you know, we gotta jump over those. So that's good.

Eugene 27:08

That's good. Yeah, it's a process, man. And I I don't think, I think a lot of times, I don't want to speak, you know, because I'm my son is on his panel, but I'm just gonna use him as an example. I think as young adults, and even for me, you don't realize the journey that it took for us to get to where we are, and where our life is right now is 30 years in. And and so it's almost also unfair for us to compare our now to your what's next. And so your what's next and the process that it's gonna take in this day and age is different from what it took for us. And so that's why I'm always sensitive, and that's another reason why we wanted to even have this conversation, just so that we're not looking at your lives from our viewpoint and our standpoint, but to really truly understand what are y'all dealing with in the process of going through it. Everything I read says the trades are gonna be massive, but that means it also means that they're not gonna make it easy. If everybody going into a trade is already predicted, it's gonna be so scarce that all the people are gonna be billionaires because they don't, they're not gonna have enough people. But that means that it's also gonna be harder and more competitive for those who are going in. So I would just say stick the course, and not that it's only about money, but stick the course, and I know that you'll be fine. Who else? Locked in, still searching somewhere in between.

SPEAKER_05 28:37

We'll let all three of you.

SPEAKER_07 28:40

I would say I think I'm getting to the locked in point now. I have switched years maybe a thousand times. You know, it really was figuring out what I wanted because I'm like, when I came here, I said I wanted to be a lawyer, and then I switched to criminal justice to wanting to be a friendly psychologist, and then I got psychologists and I was like, no, I don't think that's for me, actually. You know, I had to accept that maybe I just like crime as like a pastime, but that's not meant for my career, and so I recently just switched into business management, and I'm like, it felt like a breath of fresh air because in criminal justice I felt trapped. I'm like, I don't know what I'm doing, I don't know where I'll go with this. And also with my school, it was like they were almost pushing me to be a cop, and I'm like, well, that's not what I want. Like, I don't want to do that. So it was just like nothing felt right, and so it made me feel like I was doing everything wrong, and then I didn't know what I wanted to do with my life. So then once I like talked to my mom, because she's also in management at HR, she just like she gave me so much insight, and she was like, Let's take a career test. Like, this is okay, you can switch gears, like, you don't have to be stuck. And so she really helped me through that. And so I realized that like management, like all my interests were in management. I was like, you know what, let's try it out. And so, even just after like one semester, I'm like, yeah, this is where I need to be. Like, I feel better in this, I can see myself in this in the future, and like I think I'm locked in.

SPEAKER_04 30:11

Yes, of course, yes.

SPEAKER_08 30:14

Of course, of course. Um, I'm definitely locked into my like future career path, and like now that I'm into my senior year, heading into it, I know it's like I'm for real locked in. Just like one, having like um the professional career I'm like going towards is like really good. I enjoy it, and then also my major have come to realize I've really enjoyed the classes I'm taking, and that's like the number one sign for me. Knowing that if I'm enjoying this and I'm even though they're so hard, and professors are hard to work with, I am still enjoying it regardless. And I'm able to like take away some fun facts and like have excitement when I like tell my parents or my friends what I'm learning. So I know I'm like on the right path and I'm locked in with what I want to do, but maybe the career path I'm going towards was never what I expected, but it was it's still like interesting and I'm enjoying what I'm doing.

Eugene 31:06

So you say wasn't what you expected. Say more about that.

SPEAKER_08 31:09

Um, okay, I'm going into I'm interested right now in oil and gas and it's kind of the career path of like internships I'm doing. I never would have saw that. Like my freshman year was kind of like, oh no, oil and gas from a major of environmental engineering. That's kind of like I will how would I say this? It's not like a bad career, but like it's controversial in conversations, um, just because oil and gas is not the best for the planet. Um, but it was a path I never thought I was gonna see. But I feel like God opened a door for me to interview and like get through that hard process to get that internship that I was like, okay, let me try it out. Like there were so many closed doors, this door's open, let me try it out. And like it surprised me that like something that I said no to, there's so much more good. I'm like learning from it, I guess.

Eugene 31:52

What did you learn about yourself in saying yes to something that you were so opposed to?

SPEAKER_08 32:00

Um, I learned that like I shouldn't like judge or like say no to things and just be open to anything. I'm kind of like a person who like I don't know stresses and like I don't know, says no to things and I'm scared or stuff, but like just being open to like change, I guess, is like another big thing for me. So that's what I kind of learned.

Eugene 32:20

Very good. That's good.

SPEAKER_08 32:21

Yeah.

Eugene 32:22

Anybody else?

SPEAKER_06 32:25

Um, I would say I'm in the somewhere in between. I do still have my eyes locked on being a civil lawyer, but I want to take up internships after I finish at NIU under my finance major just to see what career paths I can visit through that uh major. And if I prefer those, I could instead of going to law school, I could find a career under that path. But I see both of them as an option.