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The Ask w/ Dr. Hanson PT
This podcast will share the world of physical therapy inside and outside of the clinic. We hope to create faith in our profession, change minds about access to healthcare and improve upon each provider in a meaningful way.
The Ask w/ Dr. Hanson PT
Unlocking the Secrets of Neuroplasticity with the Baber Method
Switching gears, we offer an exclusive peek at the Baber Method—once a source of our own skepticism, now a testament to the power of neuroplasticity and neural-focused care. This chapter is a journey from doubt to belief, featuring a test-retest demonstration that turned heads in our clinic. Listen to our personal tales of triumph over pain and instability, and discover why addressing the nervous system isn't just a side note—it's the cornerstone of enhanced patient outcomes. This episode promises an invigorating discussion on the future of physical therapy.
Hello. Yeah, no, we're back with the ask. This is Dr Hanson PT. I have joined me Kyra, and our celebrity guest over there is Vaughn from ACC.
Kyra:Yes, in the Inland.
DrHansonPT:Empire, the Ontario campus. Acc is not a sponsor of the Ask podcast, but however they could be, it could be ACC. Thank you, vaughn, for sharing your tuition dollars Donates earlier today. I really appreciate that. No comment.
Vaughn:Can you? You're welcome, thank you.
DrHansonPT:Wow. Thank you, you're welcome. You're welcome. That's a higher level audio voice. So our podcast today really goes over the Baber method. We had an opportunity to spend time with Jeremy Baber, the podcast episode one and two released and now we're sitting here, having spent some time with the Baber method over the last few weeks. And it's kind of like you listen to the podcast right, Kyra.
Kyra:I do listen to the podcast. Okay, that sounds like Kyra has not yet listened to the podcast.
DrHansonPT:I'm podcast.
Kyra:Yet to listen to the most recent podcast.
DrHansonPT:I'm podcast shaming Kyra, just in case.
Kyra:Hi Jeremy, If you're listening, I think it was because he threatened to dunk on you.
DrHansonPT:That's what it is. It's a Kobe.
Kyra:He can keep trying Wow.
DrHansonPT:Like I think I have the video, jeremy, I don't want to release a video of Kyra like shaking you out of your shoes and then dunking on you she actually did Easy money, easy money. Whoa. Listen to that, jeremy. I hope you're paying attention to this. This is, this is. This is rough stuff, you know.
Kyra:I was. I was so shy when he came here Too many people.
DrHansonPT:Kyra says she's not a social butterfly, but I disagree. I don't know. Well, you disagree.
Kyra:You think I'm a people person. I can be, but I can be. I can be, but I don't want to. Kyra is a total people person.
DrHansonPT:She loves to fake the funk like she's not, but I've seen so many people hang around Kyra. Listen. If you think Kyra is not a people person, give us a thumbs up.
Kyra:Like this podcast. If you think I'm not a people person, this is going to. I mean no, give a thumbs up If you think I'm a people person we're going to put this on Instagram. So yes, sir, yes, so give us a thumbs.
DrHansonPT:Who folks were thumbs down in the podcast. Wow, wow, gee. Thanks, kyra, just kidding. Wow, we understand where you're going with this, so, uh, I'm going to go ahead and say I'm going to go ahead and say, oh, okay, I understood, and where you're going with this. So so, going back to the Laber Method now, even though Kyra has not yet listened to the daytime, I'll take the project and you can download it.
DrHansonPT:By the way, I just want to point that I can download the podcast on Spotify, so Don't forget to subscribe to the channel. If you listen, I subscribe to the podcast. You subscribe to the podcast but you didn't download the podcast. No, I just have it. What do you call?
Kyra:it Pinned, Like it's on your. Your followed podcast.
DrHansonPT:So then you get to recognize it.
Kyra:Yes, and be like hey, you have any recommendations for a podcast and I'm like here.
DrHansonPT:Oh, is that? That's awesome? Yeah, Wow. So here's the thing with the Weber method. Have you had time to use it yet?
Kyra:Yes, in the last. How long is it Like a last month now? I think. Because that was before Christmas, and I've incorporated it a lot more and I've seen some really surprising results. I mean not that I wasn't expecting much, but I don't think you expect too much. I'll be honest.
DrHansonPT:I didn't expect much.
Kyra:Yeah, I wasn't expecting much, but ever since I've kind of incorporated it into my practice and then I started reassessing a lot of the test and measures that I did prior to doing or going to the seminar for for the Weber method, I've seen some significant results and, like the, especially in neurological conditions, I've seen a decrease in like tremors and increase in stability, improvement in their gait pattern. Those are just simple things that I've noticed in in the last month or so.
DrHansonPT:Yes, I have to say that I feel like, after having gone through the the course and then having an opportunity now to actually try it, the funniest thing that I've done is that I'm going to call you out, bro, sorry, mako, right, mako, on our team, stay tuned for his, his, his whole series coming out.
DrHansonPT:But Mako, uh he. He literally came in and said this is trash, right, like I don't believe this thing is thinking Yvonne, you were there that day, right, sir, I was there, so I had to take him. I had to take him out because we were testing amongst ourselves, and the one thing about the Weber method that I find interesting is is that it's the test, treat and response that I get out of every session that makes it so intriguing to me. So I go ahead and take him across to the fitness center, shout out to Corona Hills fitness and boxing over across the way, and, um, what ended up happening was picked out a total random stranger, because I thought it was fascinating to try that. And we've. I said we're taking you to Muscle Beach to do this because it's awesome.
DrHansonPT:The test. Retest on this is like incredible, Like so I took him, found a random person. We said random person, do these things and a random person got the same results, did the test, did the retest and even the random person guy.
DrHansonPT:thank you, random person guy by the way he was like oh shoot Like, and to me it's just the response to the interventions that made it worthwhile. And some people are probably listening to this podcast like trying to figure out, like, what is the test retest response? It's difficult to explain in a podcast, obviously, but it's such a dramatic change in your patient interventions that you can't overlook it, and that's what was fascinating.
DrHansonPT:What did you get from that Vine Cause? I know you saw it after you came back from Christmas break and started doing some of the stuff here.
Vaughn:I mean when we started incorporating it and like with our patients and whatnot, and then like when they come in the next visit and then they show like results. It works, cause I've done it with my parents too. Oh, you did it with your parents, yeah, and they significantly like they got better. So like stability, wise and everything like. They're like whoa, why is that? Like how did it work? Are you a magician?
DrHansonPT:Like no, but it works it works and so like, and how many people have you given the exercises to the Kairi? You were saying that you gave test retest on patients that you'd been working with and you noticed escalation in progress.
Kyra:I'm not sure exactly the number, but I have just incorporated it into almost every day, I mean, and just seeing the results, I'm just curious about the longevity of the effects of these select so like I hope there's more research into it and seeing if the short-term effects carry over in the long-term if we continue to do all of these exercises.
DrHansonPT:What is the takeaway you think especially I mean, vaughn, you're a student still they don't teach stuff like this in school. A lot of this is about like that, after you finish school kind of stuff. You know most people start picking up on these kind of courses. What do you think is your biggest takeaway from having kind of picked this thing up so early?
Vaughn:It's good to know that, like there's other stuff that like works for certain patients and I don't know. It's just, it's good for me because it's like a different technique, you know, learning new techniques. It's definitely a game changer, I would say, you know, and yeah, I would love to like see more of it, like not just in this clinic, but like other places too. Yeah, it can be incorporated, you know, to other places.
DrHansonPT:But I mean we're seeing the front edge of this Weber method thing. Like there's a part of me that's still a little skeptical. Jeremy, I'm just being honest like there's a part of me that's still a little skeptical about crossing over.
DrHansonPT:So those of you who haven't listened to the podcast, please go ahead and download the podcast episode one and two, where I'm talking with Jeremy Baiber. But one of the things that this spoke to and really captured my attention about had to do with neuroplasticity and reorganizing the way that patients respond in that intervention right.
DrHansonPT:And we talk about neuroplasticity and constraint-induced therapies and all these things that we've done throughout the years, from NDT to PNF to neuroifra Shout out to Walid out there, and what happens is we see some response, but I've never seen a response so big in a patient after just and this is just a screen and I hate sounding like a fanboy, but it works, though it really does I mean like?
Kyra:I mean like for me, especially with chronic pain and psychosomatic pain and all of this. I feel like sometimes people treat like, for example, an ortho case. It's just an ortho case, but I think this combines that there's a connection between the nervous system and the ortho aspect of things that I feel like people like it's just knee pain, oh, let's just treat the knee, but then don't realize that every ortho case is a neuro case, because all of these muscles come from nerves that are supplying to those muscles and sometimes if you don't have those neural pathways or they're impaired in some way, then you can't get the overall outcome without treating that nervous system impairment prior to treating the orthopedic problem that's present or the biomechanical problem that's present.
DrHansonPT:So Do you think that's and I mean we practice that all the time here right, Like every ortho patient is a neuro patient, so we tend to edge on the side of focusing on the neural components of the pain. But do you think that that's like a commonplace thing in general, Like people like we're just kind of making up how awesome it is because we focus on stuff like that.
DrHansonPT:I don't know the answer. Like maybe you know the answer out there. Like, how many of you out there really focus on the neural component of the orthopedic patient in order to get the response? Put your answer in the comment section below. Look, you see what they're doing In the comment section below. Oh, I'm going like what are you pointing?
Kyra:at Cause. Usually the comment section is like right here, oh, it's below, oh got you Wherever it's down there.
DrHansonPT:it's down there, it's not there we go Gotcha Wherever they're pointing at. Like right here. Put it in the comment section, Please. In the comment section below what are your doubts about this system?
Kyra:I think that that's what I was speaking about earlier is the longevity of it. Is it something that will retain Like? Is this something that people can really commit to for a long period of time, that will be able to retain the results that they had in that short term time period that they experienced? So I think that's it, because it plays a big part on kind of, I guess, the long term effects. So I just and I would love to see more data on it on a bigger population in different ethnic groups, and there's so many things that I feel like if it's just tested in one specific area, I feel like there could be a lot of confounding factors and confounding variables that could play a part in the results of a study, especially if it's an inner study of a specific researcher or therapist.
DrHansonPT:I think to piggyback off of what you're saying is that I know Jeremy traditionally looks at this from the standpoint of orthopedic patients and orthopedic patients with chronic pain syndromes, and we look at this from the neurogoggles and essentially the research is necessary. If you read the article that I think the neurosection put out from the APTA a little while ago and it basically I'm summarizing. So I don't want any hate mail for this one, but basically the neurosection says that there's not enough evidence to support some of the interventions that we provide as clinicians and some of the stuff that we do may be antidotal at best. This is kind of one of those things where I you know, you see the response immediately. It's kind of like okay, is that antidotal or is that really genuine response?
DrHansonPT:And the test. Retest has definitely supported that idea, but at the same time, it's like could this be the one of the newest, best approaches to clinical care, especially when we're talking about the one thing that we do is therapists, which is neuroplasticity, and this being that magic bullet. I don't know, vanya, you were gonna say something.
Vaughn:No, I was just agreeing, I was just gonna say something.
DrHansonPT:Go ahead, go ahead.
Kyra:Go ahead, go ahead, I'll start.
DrHansonPT:It's Friday, so technically it's a karaoke Friday. Yes, who's singing first Me? Just kidding.
Kyra:I can't sing, but I'll go.
DrHansonPT:All right. So as we end this podcast, we're gonna do something called the most interesting five things. Most interesting five things. Are you ready? Sure.
Vaughn:You ready to play along?
DrHansonPT:Most interesting Most interesting five things Of what About what? So I didn't tell you.
Kyra:Oh, okay, okay, sorry, I'm gonna get to that, right, okay, okay, okay, sure.
DrHansonPT:So five most interesting things that we've seen on social media this week. Five most interesting stories that you've seen on social media this week Whoa.
Kyra:I haven't really been on social media this week.
DrHansonPT:Wow, look at Kyra being responsible. That's why she didn't download the podcast.
Kyra:I wasn't on social media this week. Oh, let me see, I don't know Most interesting. Well, I guess.
DrHansonPT:Okay, so stay tuned for our next episode of the Ask, where we will be joined by Senior Vaughn, our students.
Kyra:Vaughn Sito.
DrHansonPT:We're gonna get to learn a little bit more about Vaughn Sito and his experiences as a PTA who has also served in the military. That's right Army In the army. Seven years.
DrHansonPT:You're in the army now, my friends. So welcome again to the Ask. Thank you for joining us on this episode. Stay tuned for more. I'm your host, dr Hanson PT, with my homie Kyra. That's what's up and joining us as a guest and Vaughn Sito Vaughn Sito in the house. So thank you very much again. Don't forget to like and subscribe. See us on Instagram and TikTok at Ask Dr Hanson PT, and you can also now find us on Facebook at Ask Dr Hanson PT. Boom, stay tuned for more. I'm your host and I'm out. I think I said that like a thousand times. I don't think anybody's listening right now. Deuces.
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