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The Ask w/ Dr. Hanson PT
This podcast will share the world of physical therapy inside and outside of the clinic. We hope to create faith in our profession, change minds about access to healthcare and improve upon each provider in a meaningful way.
The Ask w/ Dr. Hanson PT
From Student to Clinician: Marcos' Journey to Becoming a Physical Therapist Assistant
Ever wondered what it takes to transition from high school to the fast-paced world of physical therapy? Join us for an insightful episode of "The Ask with Dr. Hanson PT" as we sit down with Marcos, a soon-to-be Physical Therapist Assistant graduate from American Career College. Kicking off with a vibrant live performance by Kyra, who covers a Taylor Swift song, this episode sets the stage for an engaging conversation about the journey from student to clinician. Marcos shares his personal and educational journey, detailing his hands-on experiences during his internship at Corona Hills Physical Therapy and Wellness.
From the challenges of time management to the creative thinking required in clinical settings, Marcos opens up about the steep learning curves and rewarding moments in his path to becoming a PTA. We discuss the critical role of empathy in patient care and how treating patients like family can drive intrinsic motivation far beyond financial rewards. With personal anecdotes, we compare the different experiences and patient interactions between skilled nursing facilities and outpatient clinics, highlighting the adaptability required to provide top-notch patient care.
But it's not all serious talk—there's plenty of practical advice and humorous reflections as well. We address the ethical dilemmas faced in various clinical settings, especially skilled nursing facilities, and explore the strategies Marcos is using to prepare for his upcoming board exams. Dr. Hanson and Kyra chime in with their own tips and experiences, making this episode a must-listen for anyone interested in the world of physical therapy. And don't miss the introduction of Joey, our next guest, promising another round of engaging and informative discussions. Tune in for a blend of personal stories, professional insights, and even a touch of musical fun!
Something that you said and that's why we're live on the Ask with Dr Hanson PT and we got Kyra singing live and direct on the Ask. Wait a second, hold on. We got to play the show notes, man, what yeah?
:no, we're ready.
:I want to hear the Taylor Swift joint though Kyra Go ahead OK. Ready? Hold on, hold on, I'm going to drop it out.
:Ready. You're on the phone with your girlfriend. She's upset. She's going off about something that you said. She doesn't get your humor like I do.
:That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about. That's embarrassing.
:That's about to be on YouTube. That's about to be on YouTube. That's about to be on YouTube.
:Kyra is going to be Taylor Swift famous once and for all. We believe in you, Kyra.
:Thank you.
:That's the reason why we're here on the Ask with Dr Hanson PT featuring Kyra. There you go. You didn't say it in time.
:I thought it was going to be Marcus first.
:Oh, come on. Okay, let's do that again. Let's do that one more time. Welcome to the Ask with Dr Hanson, pt and Kyra. That's what I'm talking about. Joining us today on the show is none other than our latest student to finish his affiliation here at Corona Hills Physical Therapy and Wellness, and we have a very special show where we're going to talk to our guy from ACC and his name is Marcos.
:Are you sure about that? Very sure.
:Okay, just making sure. Well, welcome to the Ask again. We've had some very exciting shows.
:Yes.
:Lately.
:I think this one's going to be my favorite.
:Why is this one going to be your favorite now, Kar?
:Because it's the current one.
:I like that answer. Well, I got to say here's the number one probably most important part about the Ask right now is that we have officially did you know that we've officially had more than 100 downloads to the podcast right now? Hey, my phone is dead. Round of applause. It is a round of applause. You don't think that's something amazing. Thank you, mom, for downloading the podcast more than 100 times, and my mom, my dad, my brothers Thank you for giving your dad some props, though.
:Yes, it's about time he gets a special one, because I didn't do it last time and he got. You did it last time, but you didn't do the time before that, so you gave a shout out to everybody else in the world. But you know, you give a shout out to everybody.
:Oh, my brother, oh, you have two brothers and my brother ken there you go and my sister-in-law, jill everybody's getting a shout out and my cousin Cindy.
:And they're all downloading this podcast, by the way, which now you can find on Apple, itunes, spotify, as well as on YouTube, and the video may actually post up on YouTube eventually, depending on how well this fellow right next to me does, and we're introducing him today for the video. Oh, look at that. Look at that. Yay, I'm the star of this thing.
:Kyra's the star of the show. That's why this thing works out so well. There you go. You've got to stop looking at this camera, though, Kyra, because it looks weird. You're looking at the people in front of you. There you go. Yes, Amazing. Now. Joining us today on the Ask is our latest student to finish his internship here at Corona Hills Physical Therapy and Wellness, and he brings some insight. Although he may not feel that he brings any insight to this conversation, but he actually brings quite a bit of information and insight to the things that we do here at Corona Hills PT. So it's very important to welcome Marcos to the show, to the Ask, and welcome again.
:I'm a big fan big, fan Big fan and how many episodes have you listened to since you've been here at your affiliation?
:I've seen the live show happen.
:actually, You've seen the live show happen. And how is the live show? Wow, he's speechless, lost for words. He's at a loss for words that's.
:He's a lot of love for words.
:That's amazing. So, marcos, you've just, uh, you're about to finish your affiliation and, um, tell us a little bit about yourself. Let's, let's start there, all right, uh, and tell us a little bit about what year you're in and and kind of your background story and, and you got here, let's go.
:What year I'm in.
:Yeah, like, are you finishing school? Are you just starting school?
:This is your first, yeah, I'm actually just about to finish school. It's my second affiliation. I should graduate next month, in May. Fingers crossed, congratulations, yeah, congratulations. It's been tough, almost two years already.
:Yeah, so tell us a little bit about how you got here. So you're in what program? Though? Tell us a little bit about that.
:So I'm in the physical therapist assistant program at American Career College. Ok, shout out to American Career College.
:You're the first cohort, but at which campus? Though Ontario, ontario, representing you're the first cohort, but at which campus? Though ontario, ontario, representing. And we had a. We had one of your cohort affiliates yep in on our podcast last time, uh, von sito hey von what's happening. Brother um that, joined us last time on the podcast yeah and so now you're filling in, representing this first cohort out of ACC, and you are. Where do you rank in terms of your class? What?
:You got to tell me in what case? In what category, if they say like age, I'd probably be the lowest because I'm the youngest.
:You're the youngest member of your class so let me ask you a question, sir, of course I mean let me get serious here now. Yeah, when did you graduate from high school? I graduated in 2022 you graduated in 2022 and now you're about to finish your degree in physical therapy assistance as a physical therapist assistant. And and how old are you now?
:I'm 19, you're 19, I started at 17.
:You started the program at 17 years old. So straight out of high school, straight out of high school into a pta program yeah, it's.
:It was tough, especially being a kid.
:I couldn't even drive so I'd have my mom take me. Oh, you couldn't drive, you didn't have a car.
:You didn't have a driver's license. I didn't have a car or a license At 17? Wow yeah, I waited until I was 18.
:Wow, and what was that like? You're 17 years old in a professional program, professional program, um, and you're getting ready to have this, this career in physical therapy, and what was that like?
:it feels great, you know, like people like oh, he's so young, he's responsible. But it feels the same. I see myself as equals with all my classmates, as if they're my age what was that like?
:going from high school into a professional program?
:I'm going to be real. Someone kind of told me about the school and I was like, oh, that's cool because we were going to college together, okay, and she was my ride. And she was like, oh, I'm going to go to this school now, I know you can't drive, good luck finding a way there. And I was like, oh well, what school? American Career College, look into it. They have the exact thing. I wanted to be faster, so I was like I'll just do that, okay, mm-hmm.
:Why did you decide to become a physical therapist? Assistant?
:So with my parents. My mom's always worked at an office job, so, like bad posture, always complaining about back hurting and my dad's blue collar working construction. I kind of, just how can I help them out financially and just physically? Right, help them. I'd be able to teach them. Okay, you got to do this, this and this. Sometimes I get off of work here 12 hours later and I'm helping them. My dad's like, oh, sciatica is killing me, okay, then let's do this.
:My mom's like my back, all right, then let's do this now that you've gone through this entire program, um, what do you feel like was the biggest challenge for you, especially just coming out of high school?
:time management high school. I really didn't try at all because I don't think I needed to try not to burst my own bubble or like to my own horn one might say it was kind of just I get to school, I wouldn't do homework, just do good on the tests, and then having to come here and it's like it's not the same real life hits you, it's what's the biggest like challenge that you've encountered so far and like your, your experience here in this clinic or just during your clinical affiliations?
:in this clinic. We've talked about this before. It's just the difference of creativity that I need for my interventions. But, like I said, I was in a skilled nursing facility where people aren't as able to do the things they do here. So it's going from one motion to five different things at once. That was a kick in the butt.
:How do you think you've grown, not just as a clinician, right? Um? How do you feel like you've grown as a person since you've started this entire process of of becoming a clinician, because that's essentially what you're doing at a young age at a very young age.
:Yes, I think, being able to empathize for people not really sympathize, but empathize, know what they're going through and help them through it, because you just want them to get better instead of just being money hungry. We're going to save that for the next podcast because you're going to join us in the next podcast.
:I really want to talk to you in the next podcast about this particular topic. So just really quickly, quickly going back, you talked about just having empathy for people. What do you think is essential to becoming? How do you feel that empathy helps?
:uh, just with helping people being able to put someone first instead of yourselves. Like once you start to get to know the people, I think you want to do more for them, like I've been frustrated before when I've seen like oh, so little progress. I just want to see them get better for themselves. Not really me, because right now it's still not a reflection of what I've done, it's more just, I want them to get better.
:Curiosity. What motivates you, you think, to have that sense of empathy? Like some people, they just do it because they want to help people. What motivates you to be that person for somebody else? Because you don't have to? I mean, let's be honest. You could just totally show up, take the money and run. You don't have to be empathetic for anyone. But what motivates you to do that?
:I mean they're people, right? Like you said, I was taught in many places as if you're treating someone as if they're your family, right? You want to give them the best kind of treatment you can give them. You wouldn't want to trust your mom with some bozo who just sits them in a corner and tells them to stretch by themselves.
:Yeah, yeah, oh, I totally understand. I respect that. What do you think in in this affiliation and you've already done one before- in a skilled nursing facility, youation, and you've already done one before in a skilled nursing facility. You said and what do you find was different between the two environments, the two settings for you In terms of learning?
:I don't talk about like… oh, in terms of learning.
:Yeah, I know the dynamics between outpatient and, say, skilled nursing facility is different, but what was different about this environment in terms of learning and and and interacting with?
:patients. I feel like interaction still kind of the same. Over there was more diagnostic and vitals that you need to take care of as well as here vitals, but it's here's a lot harder. You have to be knowing what muscles you want to target. Without doing that one plane of motion, you want to be able to do five different things so they get the most benefit. More functional, because over there anything is functional in a way okay, is you mean in terms of like the?
:level of yeah, yeah, yeah more simplistic things, simplistic things, but was there anything in particular that you picked up from your CI in terms of a clinical approach between the two facilities?
:Oh, clinical approach. Honestly, I didn't really have that much time to talk about clinical approach because there they treated me as a second or third affiliation oh so like here I have more time to talk to kairi like, okay, what could I do better? You think this would work?
:for this more guidance oh, so in the first site they did less in terms of feedback and and yeah, so like every once in a while I'd get feedback okay wasn't the most okay.
:So it's like, okay, I'm gonna see this person. Okay, what's diagnosis history? You just gotta write all that, make sure you're competent enough to work with them, and then you're good to go hustle and go no time to learn any. I don't, because there you're on the clock for a patient.
:Yeah, so I'm never sitting down doing nothing so just a question, though, right like in terms of clinical setting and environment, that's how skill nursing facilities work. Right like yeah that it's a hustle and go kind of place. Do you feel like it could have been done better if they didn't teach you in the way that they function and operate?
:they were pretty good. I'm not like I don't have that much experience being taught in this setting right, but I think, for what it was, it was pretty good.
:I'm not like I don't have that much experience being taught in this setting, right, but I think for what it was, it was pretty good. I had different ci's, like different people showing me different techniques like I do. Here I have you, kyra, jake, even olivia and melissa teach me different things. Right, different perspectives could change a lot if, if I had you at a sniff, how different would it be right?
:I don't know, I don't want to have that sniff conversation just yet, because yeah, no, they aren't ready for it. Well, no, everybody. You know what the thing is. Is that everybody has their place in my opinion, right Like um, there's certain settings that I would not necessarily want to work in, and I've worked in a ton of settings, but I will say that I had a first time in a skill nursing facility and that first time was literally my last time.
:Yeah.
:Let me tell you a story, because I got to see the whole thing Now. So once upon a time no, I used to work for this company and the company used to help out with certain facilities whenever the census was low or whatever. And they asked me if I could go and see this patient in this facility and we were slow, so I was like, all right, sure it wasn't too far from my house, so I just went ahead and did the thing. Um, so I get the referral and they go say you know, they gave me the paper. And they say, oh, go see so-and-so in you know bed 101A, whatever, right. So I get there, I see this man in. You know what a decorticate posture is.
:Yeah.
:Basically, he's rolled up into a ball, knees into his chest. And then I read the chart and he's like 103 years old, knees into his chest. And then I read the chart and he's like 103 years old and the request for services is to see this man for 90 minutes. I was supposed to treat this man for 90 minutes and provide therapeutic services for 90 minutes and the director came out and said, yeah, yeah, just go ahead and go do range of motion with them and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah for 90 minutes. And my response was like, like hell, I'm going to do 90 minutes of therapy with this guy. I mean, seriously, at what point do we say this is not OK? And I know that the rules and regulations have changed. I will say that I've been a staunch. I'm not a skilled nurse or facility guy. I can't, I can't function in that kind of a setting because I don't work like.
:I can't see myself working like that. So if you work in a skill nursing facility and feel like I have the incorrect perception of the way a skill nursing facility works, please my apologies. But hit us up in the comment section below and tell us what your experiences have been working in a skilled nursing facility, because that was mine and I have a ton more stories that go along like that. But I couldn't do it. It's just not me, it's just not my thing. So I mean, maybe they've evolved and they like or it could be like just maybe that specific sniff thing yeah or I don't know okay, so we're gonna have sniff story time.
:Listen, if you've ever worked in a sniff and have had a story that's very similar to this one, I think we might break the internet with this kind of question I would love to know your stories Now. Here's the reason why I bring that up Because we're going down this road now, because I can't even stop myself, sorry. So, of course, this is a PT rehab podcast, so I got to say something about this. So for a long time, people have said that therapists are committing fraud when they're doing these things. Right, and what happens is is that, as a clinician, you do have the right to say yes or no to doing something and therefore you are responsible for that. But when students are coming out with heavy debt loads, kyra, you don't have a heavy debt load, do you no? But if you listen to the first podcast, you can find out why it's four parts it's four parts.
:Is it four?
:parts. I think it's four parts.
:I think that one, whatever how many ever parts there are you should listen to Kyra's podcast, especially if you're thinking about going to PT school, because Kyra does not have a heavy debt load. But when you do have a heavy debt load and you are going to go to find a job, what ends up happening is sometimes you make decisions about working in places that may not match your moral code to some degree. You have debt to pay, so you have to go in there and go do something about it. Now I will say this the business has a right to operate as a business, but you, as a clinician, have the right to say no, and when we start saying no to things like that that are unethical and just deplorable, in my opinion opinion, just my opinion. If you have another way to explain it, then please go ahead and explain it, but until we start doing that, then we won't be able to take ownership of the way that we're reimbursed as clinicians and the way we're paid as clinicians and the rest of it, because at the end of the day, it has nothing to do with unions. It has everything to do with everybody being able to sit up and speak with an open voice and say this is wrong. And, like you said earlier, marcos, if that's your mom in the clinic and I am juicing, I'm going to say this and I'm juicing her insurance for the sake of making revenue. That is wrong. Okay, all the skilled nursing facilities are going to cut us out, marcos, we're going to hide that name.
:Corona Hills is a sponsor, but does not always agree with the things that we say on this podcast, so let's not talk about it where we are. Kdps said it. I don't even know what that is or where that is. It's my name. I thought it was a news station. Kyra Denise.
:There you go. Kyra Denise, there you go. Yeah, I think if you look it up my Facebook.
:I will say be careful of your social media too. On on like looking for jobs, because when you hire people, that's why you put it on private you got to put it on private, but you got to be careful of the things you post on your Instagram.
:You know what.
:I'm saying Cause you never know, you never know I'm saying because you never know. You never know, I'm just saying so. Besides that, yeah, so sorry for my she lost track.
:I didn't. I didn't lose my train of thought, it was just. It was just a thought. But what, what? Okay, so, kyra, you've worked here, you've worked in the philippines, you've worked in community centers, you've worked here, you've worked in the Philippines, you've worked in community centers, you've worked around the world, essentially. And what are your thoughts on something like that? If you went to go work for a place and they asked you to go and treat somebody, granted, you're trying to help that person, but gave you a specific guideline of how you could treat that person, gave you a specific guideline of how you could treat that person?
:Yeah, I would. I don't know. For me, moral conduct, conduct, conduct.
:Whichever comes first, yes.
:And just ethical, like ethics-wise, I really stand my ground and I kind of cut there. So if I do believe that it's beyond of what I believe in and I truly think that that is not going to be beneficial for the patient, then I will refuse. And if part of that is leaving that job, regardless of the pay, I will do that because I think there's more things that are more important than the money and the, you know, the revenue, like you said earlier. And I mean, that's just my thought on it and some people might just have a different thought, but that's me if you were to ask my opinion about it.
:You work in a sweatshop, kyra. I mean, how do you deal with that constant drive to see a thousand patients a day and, you know, nobody cares about your feelings, kind of thing?
:Wow, as a patient or as a clinician.
:As a clinician.
:Well, at the end of the day, my, if I'm the clinician, my feelings don't matter. The patient's feelings do so if I have to put my ego aside, then I will do that. If someone or another therapist thinks this is a good idea and I think about it, I'm open-minded about it and realize that yeah, maybe that idea is better than what I had planned, then I'm going to go with that, because at the end of the day, you put your patients first and yourself second.
:So yeah, there are a lot of people that won't agree with that. You think so. I think there are a lot of people that say you have to put your best self first, Like how do you feel about that?
:Oh, my goodness, I would not be surprised because, like you said, we see a lot of patients, we talk to them and they share their experiences in other clinics.
:And I actually had one recently, um, um, where the patient's sister was saying you know, um, you know this therapist is saying this about, um, this person, and and I just don't think that I agree with that and I was giving ideas and maybe you know I was asking, you know, around my doctor and and other clinicians that are around and and I provided this you know idea and the therapist didn't think it was kind of disregarded it and didn't think it was good. And you know, at the end of the day, even when they try to be that you know, put their egos first. I think you still have to do your best to advocate for yourself and for your family members and you know, at the end of the day, you also have that choice of choosing your provider. So if you disagree with it, then maybe it's time to transfer to a different provider that will kind of think of you first and not themselves.
:Yeah.
:And you have that autonomous choice of going somewhere where you feel heard and your interest is first.
:So, marcos, where do you see yourself like when you, when you think about going out into working in the workforce and seeing your future? How do you? Where do you see yourself?
:I asked you this. I asked you this like what setting you see yourself working at?
:what did I say?
:he said you really don't have any. He was like I don't want to think about that right now too early.
:I gotta focus on my boards exam yeah, you have your boards coming up.
:When do you take your boards exam? In july, in july congratulations yes a lot of studies, cheering for you a lot of a lot of study left to do, right, yeah, um yeah, how is that going with the studying? You already took your state ethics? Yeah, my law exam. And we can say that you passed your state ethics.
:Okay, first try One down, One down one to go, yeah.
:So I mean, how does that feel? Like you just have that one thing left to do the main thing, no pressure.
:It feels good, but it's a lot of information to take in. So you want to be confident, but it's for sure scary.
:What advice would you give him, Dr Hansen?
:About taking his board exams.
:Yeah, maybe you don't remember that long ago.
:Back in 1972, there was three questions 1957 or 1958.
:Oh my gosh.
:He created it.
:I don't know. Honestly, the last time I took the board exam, which was really technically not that long ago, I was due for my renewal in like 20, maybe 16. I think it was, and I was just curious as to whether or not I could pass the board exam. So in California at the time I don't know if they still do it they allow you to take the board exam. It's a version of the board exam and so I paid to take a version of the board exam and it will give you credit for doing so, because I wanted to see if I could actually pass it and I'm like I did pass.
:I did pass. I can say unequivocally that I did pass the board exam. However, there were some questions out there that were just like oh my gosh, are you kidding me? And it wasn't like it was because I didn't know the answer. It was because it's in a way that you practice right and so you get into certain habits over time that you know the board exam essentially is about are you going to kill a patient and are you safe enough to function with a license without killing a patient? And then do you know the basics of what it means to be a clinician in this environment? And if you can get through that by focusing on what's most important, then you can in some way become a licensed practitioner.
:It doesn't mean that you were the best student in the whole wide world. It just means that you understand how to navigate the world without killing someone. But does that make you a better clinician? I don't know if it does. Um, there's there's a lot to be said about that, but I don't know. Uh, I have no advice for you other than study. Uh, do whatever kyra says, because kyra took the board exam.
:Uh how long it?
:was ancient times four years ago it was. It was ancient times in Marco's time frame, so that was like a whole millennium.
:I feel like my advice for him would be look at the blueprint. I know like FSBPT releases a blueprint about like how many anticipated questions comes with like each system.
:Yeah.
:And kind of like what these questions are going to be like. Is this going to be about treatment or, you know, safety or whatever it is? And I really just studied all those major parts because those are the ones that are going to be covered the most and I put some of the ones that are not as freak, that don't appear as frequent on the on the exam, last on my priority list when I was studying. So, like things like research, there's only going to be like a few questions here and there. So I was like, okay, maybe for research I can rely on some stored knowledge on those questions, but really focus on those heavy neuro cases, cardiovascular and the basics, the foundation. Because I do think that, no matter how hard the question, if you have the foundation to break that question down to as basic as possible, you can make an educated guess based on the foundation that you have. So that's what I would say, I guess.
:And oh, I have one more. When you're taking the exam, because there's going to be like it's 200 for PTA, yes, 200 questions I think it's 200 because I know PT is 250 and then 200 are counted I think it's 200 for PTA and then 150 are counted. If you encounter a really hard question and you feel like you got that question wrong, just think to yourself that's one of the questions that they're not counting, so that your confidence doesn't go down. So you can technically still get a perfect score without actually getting a perfect score if you get all the counted questions right.
:Yeah.
:So just yeah, never lose confidence.
:Take it with a grain of salt there.
:Yeah, I'm not without actually getting a perfect score if you get all the counted questions right. So just yeah. Never lose confidence. Take it with a grain of salt there. Yeah, I'm not a confident guy for law exam. I wrote down every question. I didn't know dumbed it down to the ones that were 50-50, and decided there kind of flipped a coin.
:But here's the deal you passed though. I did, pass you did pass.
:That means what you did and that, the way you studied it, it worked it makes a difference.
:Um, so really quick. So now going back. This is a reflection question that has a lot to do with um you advising somebody else who's following in your footsteps. Are you ready straight out of high school? Listen, but Listen. But here's the thing. You may think that you are too young to give advice to someone, but the reality is that there's someone who's in high school that may get some advice from you that may be incredibly meaningful, and they could hear it from you better than they can hear somebody with salt-and-pepper and pepper gray beard, as someone told me earlier, who shall remain nameless. If you had an opportunity to speak to yourself before you started the pta program, what advice would you give yourself in that moment, before you signed up?
:I'd probably say don't let your age get to your head I used to think I was either the dumbest or the smartest for being young. So it's like, oh, I'm so smart, I'm here younger or the dumbest. Like they have so much more experience and knowledge that it was like, dang, I'm one of the lowest in the class, why am I here?
:wow, it's, it's that, uh, they call it. Uh, imposter syndrome is that what it is. It's imposter syndrome. It's called imposter syndrome, where you just don't feel like you belong in that setting.
:Kyra we talked about that at a point. I've went through that too, right yeah?
:But it doesn't leave you. It just becomes something that you face with every obstacle that you overcome. But it's for you to overcome and essentially, the only one that can take it from you is you, because you have to realize that the only one who worked hard to get to this point was Marcos. It wasn't I didn't do. It wasn't I didn't do it. Kyra didn't do it in in the way like, right, like you did this at 19 years old to get to this point. It was only Marcos that got to this point. Yeah, right, and no one else did that but you.
:So for that you deserve applause and, most importantly, you get one of these. What you know about that son, that's right. What you know about that son, because for real you did that right. But never take that away from yourself and you're going to get those moments where you're just like I don't know what the heck I'm doing here, because in 20-some-blah-blah-blah years that I've been doing this, I can't tell you how many times I always tell characters like if you ever get to the point where you feel like you know the answer.
:You should be concerned, because that's not what this is. You should always strive to learn more, but there's something in the back of your mind that always keeps you humble and says that I still need to work on getting better at this. Okay, well, that was a great episode of the Ask this time around, and join us next time where we have a conversation with our latest and greatest student. Let's see what's his name again.
:Hi everybody, my name is Joey. Hello, Joey, Hello.
:Joey, welcome to the podcast and don't forget to like and subscribe. You can follow our channel on YouTube. You can follow us on Instagram at the Ask with Dr Hanson PT. And that's our time. My name is Dr Hanson, I'm here with Kyra that's what I'm talking about and joining us in our next episode. We have Joey. There we go. No-transcript.
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