A US Air Force Retiree Talks About His 80 Day Transformation on the Carnivore Diet

Mission Carnivore Episode 4: A discussion about the benefits of carnivore diet, military sleep patterns, and the disruption of the Circadian rhythm  with Scott Price, a USAF retiree.

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I'm a retired US Army Chief Warrant Officer living the carnivore lifestyle since March 22nd, 2023. I lost 30lbs in the first 90 days, and continued my weight loss beyond that losing another 14lbs in the following 60 days. I have become much healthier, both physically and mentally in the process. If you’re seeking a sustainable and effective weight loss method, the carnivore diet might be the answer you’ve been looking for!

Join me as I give a military veteran perspective on the carnivore WOE, find great recipes, learn tips and tricks, review carnivore movies, and gain insight on practical ways to fit the carnivore diet into your life! If you follow me, I'm going to be your "Battle Buddy", setting you up for success!

Prepare to be motivated and inspired as I share my success story, offering valuable tips and insights for anyone ready to embark on their own weight loss journey. Don’t miss out on this incredible transformation – hit that play button and let’s dive into the world of carnivore diet weight loss!

DISCLAIMER: I am not a doctor and am not giving medical advice. This is simply a channel about my experience. Please consult your own physician if you have questions or concerns about nutrition, weight loss, or your conditions.

Transcript

Larry Allhands: 0:00

All right. All right. All right. Carnivore soldier coming at you from Austin, Texas today. We've got our fourth mission carnivore video and podcast with Scott Price from the U S air force. Let me bring him in here. Hey, how you doing Scott? I'm good. I'm good. How are you doing today? I'm doing great, man. It's great to have you on board. I just want you to go ahead and feel comfortable. We're going to talk about your service and then we're going to jump into some carnivore stuff. So why don't you go ahead and tell me a little about yourself, where you're from, what your service is like, that kind of stuff.

Scott Price: 0:30

Okay. Well, it starts out pretty simple. I'm the third son of an army veteran. My father was air defense artillery, and he spent most of his career at Fort bliss. In El Paso, Texas, and one of his I guess you call it short assignment was in that distant land called New Mexico at White Sands Missile Range, also known as Whismur and. That's where I was born was on the range. So I was born on the range, a Trinity site type of guy anyway. So I grew up in a military family, did the military kid thing. My father, PCS one time to Germany, we went on, on, on that trip with him and it was a four year tour, came back from that and did the usual thing. Grew up then. Dad retired, high school ended. I had to go get a future and I didn't plan really well. And I was too busy doing the silly things young men do. And I tried to join the army and the army said, no bueno, you can't do it because you only have half a thumb. And so I couldn't go in. Well, a couple of years go by going to school. This another, my mom really wants to get me out of their hair. And she found out that through some nepotism. That the problem was that the recruiter hadn't filled out the package correctly. And it was kind of funny because when I went to the MEP stations to be told I was not fit for service, they had me witness another young man's signature because he couldn't write. He was a big son of a, but I'm six, five. This guy was about six, six. I'm sure he made command sergeant major, but I witnessed his signature, but I got booted, right? Well, anyway, years later, I finally got in and the air force took me in and all they had to do was You know how kids will make a turkey with their hands for like Thanksgiving, they'll draw a line of their hand. That's all I had to include in the package. And I was in like Flynn. So in 1984, I went to the United States air force open general didn't have a guaranteed job. I just had to get in because I had to get out of my own shadow, you know, just not doing anything healthy, got into the military, got in and was selected to be a air force weather observer. Went to 4K, I went to observing school in Illinois, Chenoot Air Force Base. From there, I went and served for one year at Dyess Air Force Base in Abilene, Texas. From there, I went overseas to Germany and I got my first real good assignment. I was working for the 4th Brigade of the 1st Armored Division. And I did that for two tours. I did a consecutive overseas tour and I signed out on orders to go back to, I don't know in the army, you might call it trade off some training. I went back to the air force version of that to become a weather forecaster. And that morning, the Stars and Stripes came out with the we got the the warning ordered for Desert Storm 1. So, I went off to school, the unit went down range. Went off to school, the trade off there was, I ended up meeting my future wife, now my wife of 31 years. Wow. Yep, yep. And so that was a more than equitable trade. I went to Albuquerque, New Mexico, from Albuquerque, New Mexico, back over to Germany, I went to Darmstadt supporting the 32nd ADCOM, and then I went from there to K Town to support the 21st TACOM. So I went from one and I was a in an OL operation location, small unit, dedicated resource. And I went from being the only Air Force guy serving in basically in Darmstadt to the only guy serving in K Town for this great big Army unit. And from there I did, I went down and supported operations for in the war planning in Grafenwoehr, which was kind of an interesting story, but Grafenwoehr and all that for going into Bosnia. And I supported that whole Kirk couple. And from there, I ended up getting orders to our headquarters for Air Force weather at Scott Air Force Base from Scott Air Force Base to often Air Force Base and from often Air Force Base to Fort living room. I retired there on Nebraska area.

Larry Allhands: 4:58

Wow. That's awesome. Hey, so let me ask you about New Mexico, white sands. Were they still, they do a. But 10 death march there every year, did you,

Scott Price: 5:07

did you get to see that? I have, I've heard of, I never participated in them. I was in the air force. I never participated in it, but I knew people personally because in El Paso, at least for a period of time it was the largest concentration of Filipinos in the United States outside of the east coast, right. From the west coast and east coast, particularly west coast. And there were a number of people I was familiar with who were survivors of the baton death march.

Larry Allhands: 5:32

Yeah, they do the, it's a memorial and it's a, it's a rucksack, more work March. It's a rough March or rough run. Some guys run it and there's a civilian category and a military and there's military light, military heavy and civilian light, civilian heavy. Yep. And I was going to do it before I got injured. Now that I'm on carnivore, I might go back and do that. I really want to, cause it's a marathon basically. I

Scott Price: 5:54

don't think I'd ever, I don't even drive that far.

Larry Allhands: 5:56

I think walking would be pretty hard. Even it's in sand and everything. Right. It's pretty, pretty tough. Cool. So that's pretty interesting. And I remember when I was at division headquarters, we actually had a tent with air force guys that did our weather and space, but it was kind of combined weather and space because it was for SATCOM because we do everything in SATCOM and we need good weather. So that was, that's kind of interesting. And those guys had it made, man. They had the best of everything. You know how it is, Air Force, Chair Force, you know.

Scott Price: 6:22

Yeah, yep, yep, I'm good with it, I'm good with it, you know.

Larry Allhands: 6:24

I'd hate, I'd, exactly, I'd be good with it too. Alright, let's go ahead and talk about what were your reasons for actually trying Carnivore? Like, what had led you to this decision? Because it's pretty recent, right? When did you do it, and what were the reasons?

Scott Price: 6:38

Well, it's multi factor, like most things, alright? It's not normally just like one, one moment. And it was over time. About three years ago, I started getting really interested in doing something different because I got my first diagnosis of having fatty liver. So, you know, you go to the Google, you go to the Google University, and when you do that, you get a lot of Dr. Jason Fung, who did the Diabetes Code and the Obesity Code. So, that got me thinking about intermittent fasting and low carb. That led me to Dr. Stephen Finney. And Dom D'Agostino, and that got me more into heavy ketosis. And then after that it was Dr. Barry and Sean Baker. And so about, about three years ago, I did the first Sean Baker, January. Challenge every January. He has a carnivore challenge and I tried it and it went for about two weeks and it just really didn't mesh with family life and things of that nature. Right. Had okay success, but didn't mesh, but I did pretty much with periods of going way off the reservation, so to speak stay fairly low carb. But this past summer, I really went into it because of all the silly things to, to have as my why it was my belt buckle, you know, when you have that carpenters disease, when your chest is in your drawers, and I always wonder why people who are blessed with adiaposity, right, why they tuck their shirts in because it seems to only make it look worse with that muffin top and everything. Well, then I realized one day when I was tucking my shirt in because it hurt the belly going over the buckle. Yeah, that point in time. I said, okay, now we're done. Now we're done. And that's what started. And then I think that was on July 19th. And I said, July 20th. I mean, I have the knowledge. I've seen the science and I love the science, but I finally was okay. I can do this for, and I wanted to do an initial and I spoke to my wife and I wanted to make sure that I gave it 90 days of real, given a, given it the real go and she agreed with it. And I said, if after. We had some off ramps. I built off ramps, if after a certain point in time, or if this or that happens, I'll off ramp and the off ramp never came by the old house fart never showed up and I went ahead and kept going. I think I'm on day 79 now.

Larry Allhands: 9:18

Well, congrats. That's awesome. Yeah. And it gets easier. I'm sure you're experiencing this now. It does get easier as you build your skill of being a carnivore and get. Used to the new activities that you have that become your traits, become your habits and I find it gets easier. So I had the same kind of similar thing where when I decided to go, I decided I'm just going to go 100%. And if this thing's either going to work or it's going to fail, but it's not going to be because I didn't put effort in, it's going to be because it's a scam. And if it's not a scam, then it's going to work. And it worked. So it's not a scam. There you go. That was my, that was my logic. I was like, Hey, I can always go out and buy groceries. If it fails, right. Right. So I just burned the ships, did the Cortez thing and went straight, that's awesome. Okay, cool. And then what were your initial experiences once in this 79 day period, let's talk about like your first month or so, like what kind of things did you go through and what'd you experience?

Scott Price: 10:12

Well, okay. So coming from a couple of years of pretty solid intermittent fasting and, uh, having done carnivore before and ketogenic diet, I really didn't go through an adaptation phase. I didn't have the keto flu or anything like that. I didn't have. How should we be delicate here? I did not find myself overly engaged in the bathroom. All right. I'm also blessed with an exceptionally slow system. So I know some people that, particularly those who come off, well, let's say a more vegan based thing, they're always going, so now all of a sudden now they're really going. That wasn't my issue. So I think actually for me, one of the big concerns was I thought I wasn't going enough to realize that that's not the issue. The issue is the, what the metabolism is doing with the digestive system is doing is perfect. Don't mess with it. And, but, you know, it is amazing that when we're ignorant of something, we just need to go mess with it and it's okay, you don't have to, right. But so initially I really didn't have any problem. I think the biggest challenge is okay. So some cramping. Right. And I have plenty of understanding how to make my own electrolytes. I can buy my own. I know about element. I know about all those things. So I just had to make sure I was keeping up on my doses. That's why I use a keto chow's drops because I can just put a squirt in a couple of water, a couple of times a day, and I'm good to go. But I think my biggest challenge would probably be the social challenges. Not even myself knowing what to do. That's easy. Eat something that had a face or a mother. If it had a mother or a face, I'm good to go. Right. Right. So I don't have, I didn't have it, but just the social interactions and stuff like that, that got to be kind of, the hill to

Larry Allhands: 12:13

die on. Yeah. I find that I'm single, so I don't have quite the issues you have, but I still have to interact socially with my veteran buddies or I go on dates, right? I'm going on a date. It's kind of odd. So I found that if I just plan in advance and like eat some burger patties before I step out the door, I'm good to go. And then I can just picket stuff when I'm there. Cause I'm not really hungry and I can choose to engage or not, depending on what's available, right? Sure. Sure. Social settings. So I, I kind of like doing that. And that, that's something that's changed too. I think this diet for me, I don't know about you, but for me, it's simplified many things such as grocery shopping. I mean, preparing a food, I don't do a menu anymore and figure out what I'm going to eat all week. I just eat what I want when I want. And. You know, it's changed a lot. My life has become not minimalist, but it's definitely streamlined. Even eating has become not an entertainment event, but it's just become a biological function that I do get out of the way so I can do something more interesting.

Scott Price: 13:17

You know, I find that to be very interesting and I started to, try to untie it in my mind. When we, oftentimes we'll hear people in the community uh, having what we might call in the military, I know I gotta be careful here. Session, a complaining session, right? When they're doing that, um, people want to jump in and they want to throw the two cents, you know, people like to get on the bandwagon and add to it, so they're running down the food industry and the farm industry and all those different things, right? But one of we'd never really thought about is this great big social conditioning of meals and, oh, let's just spend 19 hours over the weekend, making this meal from grinding the weed and all and the bottom line was, I think, 300 years ago, I like to just use a nice number, like 300 years ago, 300, 400 years ago, All that was necessary because you're working so hard to get it to grow it. It wasn't, it didn't grow perfect. You had to deal with pests. You had to deal with weeds, all those things. It was a lot of work. So it was like, since I have to do it, I might as well make a social like laundry. Like when I was in the military and I was single, you have to do laundry. So I would go to the laundromat. And I'd have a good time. I bring my stuff. I'd bring plenty of quarters for the jukebox. I'd bring books and I made it a good time. Cause you're going to do it, have a good time doing it. Right. Well, I think mealtime really got that way. So I wonder about, what was necessary and what became a part of the, for lack of a better word, the propaganda of food.

Larry Allhands: 15:08

Yeah, I, I have these dating apps like this hinge one and you wouldn't believe how many things like they say what should we do on a first date? And like, let's find a restaurant together. Right. Or let's try a new cuisine. Right. It's like, that is entertainment and that's like something they want to do. For me, I'd rather go on a hike or something. Right. Or I don't know something but it's interesting. So many of those actually have that. It's very common to try new food is something that most people like to do or find a new restaurant. Or whatever. And it's like, it's all right around food. And I used to do that. I was right there, man. When I planned our, I used to take my son to Disney world every year and we stay at the shades of green, which is a military resort. It's a great MWR resort and that's a military welfare recreation. So we'd go there and I would plan out like the whole week of restaurants. In fact, I would book every night so we'd know where we were going and we'd plan on, we're going to get a milkshake here. We're going to get a burger here and we're going to go next summer. And I think I just bring in the air fryer and I'm just going to buy a bunch of steaks and burgers and just do them in the room, and it's like, we're just going to. We're a, we're gonna save tons of money, tons of that's so expensive at Disney world. And then on top of that, we're gonna have a lot more time because gosh, you gotta wait in line in those things. Even when you register, it's an event. It's hours.

Scott Price: 16:32

You know, it'd be interesting for you to catalog that, you know, like on your phone, on your calendar, as I said, eight dinner done. Right. And think about it before, because If you, if you're there for four nights, I say you're there for how many days do you think you'll be there? We usually go five. Yeah. If you go five days, you have three meals a day and the two hours a meal, right? That's six hours a day time. Fine. You're right. You got 30 hours. That's, that's more than a whole 24 hour clock. So sitting around waiting to stuff something in your pie hole, right?

Larry Allhands: 17:04

And we could be in line getting on the next ride. We could be,

Scott Price: 17:07

Or you could even be doing something else off park somewhere else, like going on an airboat ride, look at Gators or biggest spit ball or someone find a museum,

Larry Allhands: 17:18

right? Lots

Scott Price: 17:19

of stuff. On your dating app. That would be the one thing I would do. I'd be like, look, we're going to meet at the museum of natural history or this museum for, cause you're in Austin, right?

Larry Allhands: 17:29

Yeah. Yeah. And there's a lot of museums here. There's a Bob Bullock. I do museum. I'm a museum nerd. I drag my son everywhere to the museum. When we go somewhere on vacation, we're hitting a museum. That's the way it is.

Scott Price: 17:40

That's what my dad, I mean, I got to go see the Gutenberg press, you know, and Mines. And that's awesome. Then he took us to Italy one summer. He'd take you 30 days of leave and we'd go somewhere. And he, we went to Italy up and down Italy. So I've been up in the leaning tower of Pisa. You can't even do that anymore. You know, wow. What a memory to have.

Larry Allhands: 18:02

All right. Next question. How has this way of eating affected your physical health in the last 80 days or 79 days? What have you noticed? What things have you. scene.

Scott Price: 18:11

Okay. Well, no, let's get the, let's get the elephant out of the room. About 30 pounds is left. Nice. So 30 pounds is 30 pounds is 30 pounds. And the, that's been great. I've been noticing a lot of hi, you know, I've, I've read where you can't have spot losing. Right. But I think the, where the body puts it on last is where it comes off first. So extremities, arms, shoulders, My back, my upper back leaning out on my belly and now I'm still rocking good and strong, but behind me, I've got a barn door, right? So one day I decided instead of doing the tape measuring, you know, measuring yourself with a tape. You're going to cheat. I'm sorry. So what I did is I stood with my back in the doorway and I closed the door down until it touched my belly. Then I reached up and I put a little pencil mark, like great big caliper. That works. And and matter of fact, Dr. Sean O'Mara said, that's what you should do. He said, you should sit down on the floor, get a couple blocks of wood, put a broom handle, like you're doing the the, what's it called? The dance where they go underneath it.

Larry Allhands: 19:21

Yeah, the, yeah, the mamba or

Scott Price: 19:24

whatever. Mamba, lumba, whatever. Well, you lay down and then you let it touch. And then you mark it. And then next time, you put it down and you mark it. And you can kind of see how you're shrinking this way if you're laying down. It's a limbo. Yeah, the limbo. Yeah, yeah. Instead of doing the... You know, if you're a fat guy like myself, and you have very, um... This is important. If you have really weak core muscles, right? You'll lay down your fat, right? It doesn't mound up unless you're bloated. So I figured standing up the door, give me that, that, how you would say that frontal leverage and that caliper. And I've moved the, I've moved the door about an inch and a half in, and my back is swayed in good cause I'm losing it. So I do that. I'd also say that a lot of inflammation has been reduced. Other than like where I have osteoarthritis like in this one little knuckle. I don't get it Not tonight. Oh, that a little hurt, but generally speaking, not so bad. Also I don't know how you measure this category, but confidence, physical confidence, as in, I am working on a pavilion out back, and we're building a fireplace, so you gotta go up and down and on a ladder. Well, for the last 10 years or more, going up and down a ladder was one step up, bring the other foot up. Next step up, cause of knee problems, right? So... You're going one step at a time slows it down. Well, now I'm going every other step, both up and down confidence, less pain. And then I would say that this might be a little, I don't want to say it's TMI, but it's the truth. Okay. So at one point in time in 2014. When I moved, I'm in Huntsville now, the Huntsville area. I moved down here, I went to the hospital, I said to the doctor, you know, something's not right. I don't know what's not right, but I think I got a hormonal issue. And it was about it had to do with Some of my disability, you know, so I said, no, I would like you to check my hormones. They ran a panel on my thyroid and for testosterone and I had, and I went, I did that and then I got a call from them. I needed to come in right away. My, my testosterone was critically low. So what do we do? Well, we gave you the cream. Right. Okay. Topical cream. I could do that. So I did that. Well, when you take externally applied medications, particularly hormones. Whatever in your body is responsible for the production of it. Your body is very smart and your body, my body said, Oh, well, we don't need those anymore. You know, I was like, well, well, well, well, what, you know what I mean? And I mean, it's unnerving. So that went on for a couple of years and finally I was tired of it. And my wife did not like my aggressive driving and aggressive responses. I mean, my testosterone was up nice and high. But I've been more of a jerk. So we started thinking about this, that, and other. And I finally said about a year ago, I said, you know what, I'm going to just stop. So I stopped then things are getting better. I think, I don't know. And then I started this carnivore just had my my, my hormones checked last week. And I'm well above the minimum threshold. Nice. So. It came back. Yeah. And it's like a country western song played backwards. That's why I say carnivores like a country western song played backwards. I agree. You get your wife, your house, your dog, your truck, you get it all back.

Larry Allhands: 23:21

I mean, after being on it for over 180 days, I can tell you for me, it's like the hot tub time machine. I feel like I've been transported back to where I was. Mm hmm. And. where I didn't, I guess, like even not just my body and stuff, but my whole mindset is back to where I was when I was in my thirties, I was planning ahead, I was looking ahead for things. But when I was in my late fifties, like now I had stopped doing that. I had just thought, well, I'm just going to ride this thing out. Try not to die early. Try not to get too sick. And just, make it through and try to enjoy myself. And now it's like, I got plans, man. I'm going to do, I'm, I want to go places. I want to see things. I want to meet people. Uh, so it's, for me, it is like the hot tub time machine. I think it really

Scott Price: 24:08

is. Well, I think there's a whole host. If you want to call it more of a global set of things in your body that involve not just physical, but the emotional. And psychological. And we talk about that a lot in this space and for us veterans, I mean, if we just take PTSD from the stereotypical approach and we park that off to the side, right. But you know, as veterans, our circadian rhythm is totally jacked. And if you smoke cigarettes for a long time, if you drink a lot of coffee, and if you took vitamin Motrin all the time, right? Yeah. So now your liver's gonna be jacked up, your kidney's gonna be jacked up, you're gonna have chemical dependencies from nicotine and all that, and from the caffeine. And oh, by the way, we're gonna wake in the weather business now. This is a beautiful thing. We worked three days, two days off, three mids, two days off, three swings, two days off, five mids, three days off, two days, five swings, a day and a half. Um, I mean, it was all over. You, we never worked a steady shift and the science has shown like in career fields, like in aircraft mechanics, they'll change shift. They only do it three times a year. You work up for four straight months and the science has shown that. That disruption and circadian rhythm for ship workers in that longer time frame has significant negative impacts on your total well being. What do you think? Every three days.

Larry Allhands: 25:47

Oh, yeah. I started out on submarines, right? And we have 36 hour shifts, right? If you can't figure that out, that's not 24 hours, right? That means you rotate and you wake up one day and it's dinner and you wake up the next day and it's breakfast. You wake up the next day is lunch. And you talk about ruined circadian rhythm. I mean, I didn't sleep for years after that. I don't think properly, right? So yeah, I mean, I get it. And then the army, of course, we had our, you know, we had that too. We had things, you know, it's just wherever in the military, you're going to get that. And I think on top of that. So, that's been the case for, hundreds of years in the military where you're just not going to get good sleep. That's just the way it works. But I know our suicide rates among veterans and not just deployed veterans, but even undeployed veterans has gone up steadily since after Korea, Vietnam is every year it keeps going up. And I think it kind of tracks with the introduction of the standard American diet of the low fat standard American diet and high sugar, high processed foods. And I think what's happening is my theory now, no scientific evidence, but I think that there's always been this fulcrum of a tipping point. Where, the same things cause people to commit suicide, which is relationship issues, money issues, legal issues, and substance abuse issues. Those are always, they've always been the same. Those haven't changed. But I think is that it takes less of that to cause the tipping point now, because people's brains are in that brain fog of the standard American diet. And they're just not handling. I just know me what I've and this is we're talking about mental health here. But for me, my mental health has cleared up so much, and I didn't even know I was really stressed out. And until it left, that's when I realized, wow, I was operating in a pretty bad place. And I've really drastically improved. And of course my depression has gone away, which I used to have days. It would be sunny and I'd wake up and I just feel depressed. I didn't know why, right? And that doesn't happen anymore. So I don't know about you, but what's your experience mentally on this diet?

Scott Price: 27:52

So I think that's a tough bag for me to open up because I do have a rating for that. And for me, it's like, uh, let me back up a bit. So I have a rating for sleep apnea, but my sleep apnea is two factored. So most people have obstructive sleep apnea, OSA, neck overweight, things of that nature. Yeah. So that's where that, but I also have central sleep apnea. And it's attributable to, in theory, to TBI's, which I have. So I'm going to have those regardless of how I get thin. All right. So if I think about that type of architecture in the brain, and we don't know, I know that Carrie over at Homestead Howe has coined a phrase, or Dr. Berry, has coined a phrase, the proper human diet we are becoming something that we're just returning to what we should have been. Right. I don't think we have good information. Well, what happened? How many years are proper or better? Let's use the word better because I have been reminded this is a spectrum and the same thing doesn't apply for everybody equally, right? So some people will be fine in what they're doing. I am in a, I am in an unhealthy metabolic state. So I'm doing something more radical to return to, to health. And I don't know how long I have to be in that. Quote unquote health zone before I can venture back out off the reservation. So to speak, I mean, I'm going to want to eat fruits and vegetables again, cause I actually kind of like them, but I can't do it while it's detrimental to me. So going into the mental health realm. I don't think we have a body of evidence to suggest that TBI can be mitigated. Let's do it. Let's use that word. Okay. To be careful. We're mitigating. I just read something within the last month. I'm a huge proponent of stearic acid, C18. It's a, it's an acid that a long fatty chain. That there are receptors on cells directly for stearic acid and that when you eat it and you ingest it within three hours, your mitochondrial health improves dramatically. Alright, so stearic acid is found in, well, Beef and butter and a lot of the animal products. It's also found in cocoa butter, the highest concentrations in cocoa butter. Anyway, a guy by the name of Brad Marshall, he had the thing called the croissant diet about three years ago. When I first heard it. And he goes way into the weeds, all the way down to the epigenetic thing about why stearic acid is beneficial. So when you think about it, cocoa butter is a big component of chocolate and chocolate, give people a euphoric feeling. I think what happens is you eat chocolate, the sugar gets you going, right? Mm-hmm. But before the sugar crash comes, your mitochondria start really ramping up because of steric acid and that continues and leaves where the sugar left off. And I think in a. In a non or pre 1960s diet, you'd have a little bit of chocolate and a little bit of sugar and a whole bunch of meat and a whole bunch of fat and you wouldn't have the huge variations and dependencies, let's say, on sugar like we have, but acid is a tremendous thing. Well, they're using that now in studies I read for treating Parkinson's disease. Treating Alzheimer's is an amazing thing because we've learned from the ketogenic discoveries, not discoveries, but rediscovered

Larry Allhands: 31:49

discovery. Yes.

Scott Price: 31:50

We just notice, and they are using that for treating lots of brain disorders because. The ketones cross that blood brain barrier. Yeah. Well now they're saying maybe we should add this steric acid too. So I actually have pure steric acid. I bought food grade. I can add my food and I can tell you it will. But for me, it has increased my energy long term. I can't have any of it added to my food after lunch because I'm not going to bed till three o'clock in the morning

Larry Allhands: 32:19

then. Really? I might have to try that. You might have to send me a link to that. Sure. Can you get it on Amazon? Yeah,

Scott Price: 32:25

that's right. I bought a bag of it off of Amazon. It cost me 2. 80 for like two pounds. And it comes in a granulated thing. Now, I will tell you, when you put it on your food, it's a very waxy substance. So you'll really notice it. So just a little bit and you'll tell you get it and tolerate it. But I don't tell you what my mitochondria going, it's a party.

Larry Allhands: 32:47

So I wonder if the cocoa butter is, has a lower or no oxalates that you get with the cocoa cocoa powder or the cocoa, right? Cause that's what I worry about with the cocoa is the oxalates. If I can get rid of that and get the benefit, which is the acid, I assume is what everyone thinks is healthy. Then that I'd be all for that. Is that what you think?

Scott Price: 33:07

I like to take the cocoa butter and shave it off and put it in my coffee. It smells just like chocolate. Tastes a lot like chocolate, but if you know,

Larry Allhands: 33:16

do you know about the oxalates on it?

Scott Price: 33:18

I've not looked at it, but I'm trying to think. I think oxalates are more associated with the photosynthesis and all that stuff a plant does. But cocoa butter is one of the only plants with fat other like maybe avocado and olives.

Larry Allhands: 33:38

So you should check out if you haven't watched it, Anthony Chafee, Dr. Chafee interviewed Chris Palmer, Dr. Chris Palmer, and Chris Palmer is a psychiatrist. I believe that treats schizophrenics and treats bipolar disorder and all kinds of. bad disorders, like really bad. And he accidentally stumbled into this ketogenic diet. Now he's not a carnivore, but he's very ketogenic and has reversed schizophrenia, which is unheard of in the medical community. Well, in the modern medical community, because back in the twenties, it wasn't unheard of. It's unheard of now they've rediscovered the secret, I think. And yeah. So if anyone watching this. knows anybody or has schizophrenia or, bipolar disorder or some other mental illness, you should definitely check that video out and, ask your doctor about, or, look into these other alternative methods, because I think there's merit to them for sure. Well, I

Scott Price: 34:37

think there's a doctor light, a lady. And she does a lot with she's a psychiatrist, I believe, also. Is

Larry Allhands: 34:44

she British? What? Is she British? Because I saw a British one I forget her name, though. I don't

Scott Price: 34:50

think, but I think it's light. But, you know, 120 years ago plus, a ketogenic diet and I mean highly ketogenic, like 90 percent fat for your calories, was what they used for untreatable adolescent epilepsy.

Larry Allhands: 35:09

Exactly. And still is now they can do that. That's what he's. Yeah, it is the thing to do. Yeah. For seizures. Yeah. It treats like it's like 70 percent success rate. There's no medicine in the world that has that success rate.

Scott Price: 35:22

Right. But it is very difficult to have variety and to maintain that high level of fat in your diet. But you're talking about then they're eating the thalamus, the brain, they're eating everything they can. And you got to keep that protein down because you don't want that. The carbohydrates through that neoglucogenesis. Yes. Right. Very different. Very difficult, but I think it has to be, I'm always amazed, Larry, by the fact that our bodies make cholesterol. Yeah. Our brains are about 60. 5 percent cholesterol. Right? We store cholesterol. What's wrong with it again? Yeah,

Larry Allhands: 36:05

well, it shows up when there's a problem and that's what's wrong. So there's inflammation. Cholesterol shows up like firemen, right? To start fighting it. And it's like blaming the fireman for starting the fire. That's, I've seen that discussed before and other doctors brought up and I agree with it. Yeah. So it's there and it's meant, it has a function.

Scott Price: 36:25

See, a lot of people don't realize if you had a house, like you lived in base housing before, right? Yeah. If you tear up the walls right before you PCS, you're cleaning everything, you're getting the toothpaste or the spackling out. And what do you do? You fix all the nail holes, right? So when your body, when the arteries or veins have a or anywhere else have a a tear, you know, we scab up on the external side, right? But on the internal side, the body would come by with a bunch of cholesterol and calcium and makes its own spackling to fill the wound, to heal the wound. And most people don't even know that most of the dietary fat you eat enters your body through your lymphatic system. So, I mean, we're very confused and very ignorant and we've allowed our, we have allowed ourselves to be led by a ring through our nose. Instead of saying, hold on, hold on. Like you would say with the mental health question, right? Why are people so impacted by the same thing we've always faced? Well, the thing is, is we aren't the same in a situation. Now, if you think about what is that, the definition of insanity, if you do the same thing, expecting different results, well, the thing is we are what's different, not the condition, right?

Larry Allhands: 37:51

The food myth and the food myths were actually started and propagated by these food industries. sugar industry, you know, Ansel Keys, these guys, I mean, cause you, you basically, you got a guy Ansel Keys who says, Oh high fat, like butter is going to cause heart attacks. Well, it didn't cause heart attacks from 1900 to 1920 when that they butter predominantly in their meals, there was no heart attacks and now it's a huge amount. So, obviously, it's pretty obvious to any casual observer that actually cares to look at history and the problem is people don't, they just want the expert to tell them, okay, science. You know, I am the science. Tell me, Mr. Science, what should I eat? And then they want to take that and say, okay, the science says this. I should eat this. Unfortunately, the science is corrupted by

Scott Price: 38:38

dollars. So my understanding was Senator McGovern, he chaired the committee and he famously quotes that I, we don't have the time to wait. Yes. All right. But the other thing is, and I've been, I have been rat wrestling with this in my mind and that is our society in it and I'm still not trying not to dog our society. I'm just looking at the, the absolute value of it, right? We have so much coming at us nowadays that we have, we really have become our IFF identify friend or foe. It's on all the time and we want instant answers. We call it instant gratification, but I think that's over simplification again, right? Yeah we want this simplified stuff because we have so much, we are attempting to do, and we're trying to keep all these things going. So we do surrender decisions to other people because that frees us up. Like you not going out to restaurants is going to free you. So I believe that there is a. Social normalization that has led to this, not just propaganda demands have created this for us and we have succumbed and surrendered and other people have taken advantage of it. That's what I'm getting to,

Larry Allhands: 39:59

right? Yeah. They took advantage. They saw the opening and who's to blame their businesses. That's where their bottom line is their business. Right. So, yeah, it's give me convenience or give me death now is what people are very into convenient driven, right? I mean,

Scott Price: 40:13

convenience would be give me the information as be it someone of authority, right? So even now, after the pandemic, people coming back on, we were lied to. Yeah, well, I mean, anybody who's been through NBC training. Yes,

Larry Allhands: 40:28

I was an NBC NPO gas, gas, gas,

Scott Price: 40:33

the train and you know, for any air force, we didn't really go through the gas chamber. They gave us banana oil. Right. Okay. But yeah, I would smell banana oil through a face mask, wouldn't you get to a cloth mask? Right. So why? Anyway, I don't want to go there too far. I don't go too hard. This is not the forum for. We do, we have surrendered a lot. And now the question for all of us is. How are we going to bring it back, but not bring, sometimes when you're doing tug of war with a kid, they'll pull the pull, pull it, then you let go and they pull forward, then they fall down. Let's not fall down. Let's be measured and pace yourself. Because I think there are a lot of people who are in the middle of all this discussion. Maybe they know they have a problem. Maybe they're looking for a method, a process, but what they don't want to do is have dogma. They don't want to be belittled. Do like you said, look, be the change. Have them come ask you, Larry, Scotty, I've known you for a long time. What are you doing? Well, and at that point in time, we need to be careful and say, you know, kind of doing a, an elimination thing. Don't throw out the buzzword bingo that kind of making me polarizing one way or the other. I've just been watching what I'm doing Oh, really? What's that? Well, try this a little bit and you and give it to him a little bit of time so they don't go running half Carrie's wife went into a headlong and ended with such a bad keto flu. She's like I'm done now Reintegrating, you know me.

Larry Allhands: 42:18

Yeah, a lot of people do that the first time Sure. I decided I was just going to suck it up and drive on, you know, but that's just me and I'm not going to judge anyone that doesn't want to do that or a bandaid peeler. Yeah, I had to, I'd rip it off and I knew the reason I had to rip it off and I knew the other wasn't the option was because I know my habits and my tendency. So I've done keto before and fell off every time. And I knew that if I didn't remove carbs completely, I would fail one night. I would get, I would go out and get ice cream or something. I would, and I just knew that. So I like, you know what? I have to do it this way for me. Some people are going to be like that. Some people are,

Scott Price: 42:56

I use, I use one artificial sweetener. I use the worst of the worst of the worst, you know, but it's what I like. It was the first one, right? And I get it in little pills and I throw it in my coffee and it's enough. And I've come to the decision that if this one thing will keep me from the 99, I'm going to do it. And it has versus fighting against it all the time, so I like saccharin. It works for me. Is it good for me? Probably not, but I'll go over that hill when my belly doesn't go over my belt.

Larry Allhands: 43:46

Yeah. You can always refine down the road. Right. And that's what I've done too. I look at the first guy I interviewed for mission carnival, George good enough, the he was a UK desert rat in desert storm. He's our age. He reversed type two diabetes and lost a huge amount of weight 30 or 40, 45 pounds of them. And just. I mean, he's a new man, and who am I to tell him he's doing it wrong when he eats a couple things that are not pure carnivore, like meatballs that have some whey in them, or, you know, protein or whatever, they have things that, a little soy or something, it's like, hey. If that's what's keeping you diabetes free and, amazing your doctors, I'm, it's not my position to tell you that's not the way to go. Is it the most optimum way to go? No, it's not. Best practice is to stay to meet. Is it working? Yes. So,

Scott Price: 44:36

drive home. You know, I read, I read in my study, so I had to have some surgery right after I got out of the service for thoracic outlet syndrome. And basically they took the muscles out of the side of my neck and cut me from here to here, opened me up, pulled me out, filleted me, rewired me, replumbing, put me back together. And I, in the process of learning about all this, I have found out anatomy physiology is kind of a hobby. You know, if you open up 10 people and look inside 10 males, our age, blah, blah, blah, all the pieces and parts will look different. It's just normalized thing. The way you have so many ribs and you have so many this, and this is where you kind of find them. That's why when doctors open you up to kinda look, I have an extra, an extra artery that it goes to nowhere's, a bridge to nowhere. Just yeah, an extra artery. So when we say something's optimal, that under a bell curve, right? With normal distribution. But for a person in the right genetic situation, it actually may be better because isn't it Oh our fruit loving, uh, Dr. Saladino, Dr. Saladino. He talks about the need for an insulin spike for your kidneys to work. Right. Well, I, I don't disagree with him. He can get much more learned than I am, but he's also in serious shape. So everything doesn't always apply the same and being a weather guy, having to know about atmospheric dynamics and all the factors, right? I'm used to sitting there saying, well, you can kind of get there and you have a complete different makeup of things. Right? So that's

Larry Allhands: 46:22

like a model, right? It's like a weather model, like different models would predict different things, but they're all kind of right. Like where the hurricane is going to come and. I mean, yeah I see that

Scott Price: 46:32

they all have their biases. You have to know the bias of just like if you use you're an I. T. Guy who does communications. You're gonna know which protocols will work underway. Are you pushing a lot of big data? Are you pushing a lot of granular data? How quick do you need your data or all those different things? You might pick a different tool based on the environment you're in. Well, I think that's true across a broad, broad spectrum of everything we do in our lives. But we like to simplify it and we'll say, Hey, I looks like a jerk. I don't like him. It might be the nicest guy you've never met. Right. You might be on a dating app and someone might be the best that might be the best person for you But you already categorized them friend or foe.

Larry Allhands: 47:15

Yeah Yeah, it is Okay. So how do you stay motivated? Don't you find this diet really boring? And how do you stay motivated to stay on it?

Scott Price: 47:27

Okay, good. Oh, it's for me. And if you've been in any one of my streams and I do I normally do them like Monday through Thursday ad hoc. I'm really big on non scale victories. So I stay on the diet because I have daily things where I see a win, so that reinforces the behavior daily. I stay on the diet because I am about as exciting as watching paint dry as a person. I mean, I'm not, I'm okay, so I'm not, it's not that I don't have my interests, but my interests can be satiated quickly and easily. I'm easily amused.

Larry Allhands: 48:13

So tell me about your stream, because a lot of people won't know about this unless you kind of expand on that. You are a YouTuber. Yeah. And tell me your YouTube handle and then tell me about your streams that you do. Okay, so... Like,

Scott Price: 48:26

what they're about. Sure. I'm Carnivore Scott because, again, I'm kind of boring. Carnivore Scott. All one word. And I do a stream do a live show. Like I said, I try to do it Monday through Thursdays, roughly eight 30 to nine o'clock on a central time. I try not to step on too many other lives. But with the growing community, that's more and more difficult. And what I do, I just open it up and people show up and we just start talking. I throw the link out into the chat and if people want to join, they join in. And sometimes I have three or four people in with me. Sometimes it would just be me, but it's an opportunity for like minded people to get together, to share topics of the day. And I've been blessed. There's a carnivore limitless Lindy. And she from Australia, she kind of like the female version of bill from Alaska. She was 700 pounds.

Larry Allhands: 49:23

Oh, I know. Limitless Lindy. Yes. I've seen, I've seen her videos. Yes. I know

Scott Price: 49:27

who that is. Well, she came into my stream one time. She, I'm going to try it. It's a safe place to come in because it's not, I'm not a huge, I don't have a thousand people. I don't have, I'm not, I'm not monetized. It's just a place you can come in and you can try the technology. And integrate without feeling like you're going to get attacked or the chat's going so fast, you can't keep up or anything like that. Sometimes, like I said, there'll be eight, nine people in there and we'll spend two hours and we'll go back and forth. We'll cover a lot of topics, but it's just a place to be friendly.

Larry Allhands: 50:00

Yep. And I've been there before. I've participated a couple of times and really enjoyed my time there. And I'll might even be going after we're done here. So if you're going to be on, I don't know if you are, but. I'm not going to jump in just to say hi to everybody because I really enjoy it because it is a free form format. It's not like a structured format where you can just get on and talk. I do a live stream as well on Wednesday nights, the hump day meetup, all of that one. I kind of do run as a structured, uh, Q and a for new people. And I propose, and I always usually have guests come up and I talk about things. that I have topics. I think the last topic we had was Halloween candy and how we can not get candy out, right? Which is really good. And I had a great discussion on that. Okay, so we're gonna wrap this up. I'm gonna give you the floor for the last part here. I want to know, would you recommend the carnivore diet to other military veterans or first responders? And that includes active duty. And if so, what advice would you give them?

Scott Price: 51:02

Okay. Yes, I would recommend it. I would recommend to keep it, to keep it short. I'd recommend you do a key to some form of a ketogenic 30 days to get your body in the on a better condition. It's like, you know, before you went to basic training, you did some exercises, right? Hopefully before you went off to any special school, you did some exercises because You know, when you get to the school, you don't want to be the guy sucking wind or the gal

Larry Allhands: 51:32

sucking wind. You want, you

Scott Price: 51:34

want to be able to stay up with the class. So do a ketogenic type thing. Eliminate look, we're all adults here. Eliminate the crap. You don't need to be educated what that is. Okay. So if it had a cellophane wrapper came in a box made by hostess, you know what I'm saying? Get the thing, get the soda down, eliminate. The alcohol, that's a no go. You can't have two masters and it'd be best if you did that for so many reasons we can't count them. And then I'd go into the diet and I would sit there and say, find products that you, that agree with you. If you like sausages, great. Connect the sausages, Polish sausages, hot dogs, all that's going to be better than carrots or broccoli. Okay. Get yourself some eggs, find out where you are on the dairy spectrum. Like I'm okay with dairy. Dairy doesn't tear me up. Dairy doesn't bother me, but I do notice that too much cheese and too much heavy cream, which I love my heavy cream slows me down. So learn those things for yourself. The other thing I would do journal, journal, journal, journal, journal, and then journal some more and use your phone, use your calendar on your phone. to track everything because you will not remember everything you do. All right. So those are, and in the first couple of weeks, don't trust your body to tell you the truth. Okay.

Larry Allhands: 53:07

How about this? I think also to add to that list that you should start your education too, and start working on your bachelors of science in carnivore diet, if you're going to go that direction, or at least keto or keto. Start watching experts and I would say daily, not just for knowledge, but for motivation. That's a huge, huge deal because you're, you're really making a big change. And it's really motivational to see other people's success stories to find out how it's affecting your body. That's how I learned, like when I did keto every time, I was still doing salads with salad dressing that's full of seed oils. I had no idea that was bad for me. I thought it was good. And I was getting the high end stuff, Ken's salad dressing, like the good stuff. And I thought, well, this is the healthy salad dressing. Now that I know, I look at it, it's the first ingredient, it's canola oil or something. It's like, that's the worst thing you can put in your body. And So this is an educational process and part of that keto or going to keto or, you know, on your way, make that part of your transition. Start learning about the skill and art of being a carnivore and find out how things affect your body. Cause I had no clue and I'm sure you were the same way, Scott. When you started, you probably didn't know everything that was. So bad. I didn't know about the seed oils until after I became carnivore. Otherwise I wouldn't have done it as a keto person. I don't think, and the sweeteners for me I mean, like I was eating quest bars and they're, they're keto, but they're terrible. And they were making me, were you, I was addicted to quest bars. And every night at 6 PM, I would have the worst. Surge of cravings for something sweet or something to eat. And now that I've been away from all that, I don't ever have cravings at 6 PM anymore. I just don't. Yeah. No cravings. No,

Scott Price: 54:56

no hanger pains. Right. Right. But I would give you a caveat here. You know, there's no good military briefs without a caveat or a

Larry Allhands: 55:03

go back. Alibi. We call them alibis in the army. Yeah. Well, I've done

Scott Price: 55:07

plenty of alibis and that would be, I don't know that I would broadcast to your friends and family what you're doing, right? I think your friends and family have a genuine interest in your well being, but are also victims to that instification. And, they've heard big pharma and they've heard big food say you got to have six meals a day, you got to have 32 servings of Cheerios or whatever it is, right? Don't, don't go pee into the wind, you know, hold it into yourself, take it on yourself. People start to ask you questions. Like Larry said, like I said, you say, you know, I'm just holding off on that for a little bit. Kind of tearing me up a little bit. I had a little gas, right? And that's very true. And yeah, you have been kind of funky. Right? So, you know, or hey, I got, I'm working on this because it's been changing the mess with my head. People are cool. You do what you got to do. Right? And if you have to tell someone, you said, well, I'm going a little bit of a little bit of that keto thing. If you push your food aside, they never know any better. Look, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Larry Allhands: 56:27

Yeah, I, I like to tell people if, if I don't want to go into the carnivore store, I say I'm on an elimination diet, right? And I'm under the advisement of some doctors, which you are, because there's doctors online telling you to do this. So you're under advisement of doctors to do an elimination diet to find out what's affecting your body. So that's an easy way to say it without this carnivore kind of sounds like. Yeah. I'm just going to eat this raw, you know, I'm a caveman. Right. So, uh, I don't know. It just seems kind of extreme sounding, but okay. So yeah. So military veterans and first responders. Great. And that was great advice, Scott. Well, Scott, it's been a quick hour, man. I tell you what, I, I am so glad we got to sit down and talk. Thank you for being on Mission Carnivore and sharing your experience and stick around for a minute. I'm going to drop you out and I'm going to end the video and we'll talk, we'll chat for a minute before you head out. Okay. All right. Okay, guys. So all I got to say is stay strong and overcome carnivore soldier out.