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Ultimate Guide to Extended Travel: Tips from Our Nine-Month, 22-Country Trip
Tracy and Doug reflect on their incredible nine-month journey across 22 countries and four continents, sharing candid insights about their favourite destinations, practical tips, and lessons learned from long-term travel.
• Morocco and Sri Lanka emerged as top destinations with their rich cultures and warm hospitality
• Food tours provide the perfect introduction to new destinations, offering local knowledge and culinary insights
• Strategic packing with thermal layers proved essential for navigating between European winters and Asian heat
• Leaving luggage at a "base location" solves the challenge of packing for multiple seasons and climates
• Balancing work and travel requires designated work days and dividing responsibilities based on strengths
• Christmas markets in Germany create magical winter experiences worth braving the cold temperatures
• Train strikes and unexpected weather can derail plans, highlighting the importance of flexibility
• Comprehensive travel insurance is non-negotiable – "if you can't afford travel insurance, you can't afford to travel"
• Checking for local festivals and holidays before booking helps avoid unexpected disruptions
• Slower travel with longer stays in fewer destinations provides a more rewarding experience
If you're dreaming of your own extended adventure, visit globaltravelplanning.com for detailed itineraries and practical planning advice from our journey around the world.
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After nine months, 22 countries, 17 flights and travels across four continents, we're reflecting on what it's really like to take a long-term trip around the world discover our favorite destinations, biggest lessons and top tips for planning your own global adventure. Hi and welcome to the Global Travel Planning Podcast. I'm your host, tracey Collins, who, with my expert guests, will take you on a weekly journey to destinations around the globe, providing travel inspiration, itinerary ideas, practical tips and more to help you plan your next travel adventure. Hi and welcome to episode 62 of the Global Travel Planner Podcast.
Speaker 1:This week, karen is back to interview Duggan me about our recent nine-month trip around the world. As you remember, karen was here a few weeks ago to chat to us all about Sri Lanka, so if you haven't heard about that, pop back to that episode and take a listen. But today we are going to be sharing our full itinerary across Europe, north Africa, asia and a short stop in the US and and talking through how we find it all ourselves as independent travellers, from favourite destinations to practical tips, tours we loved and what we'd do differently next time. We cover a lot and, if you're interested in specific destinations like Spain or Morocco, some of those episodes are already out and there's more coming soon, so over to you, karen.
Speaker 2:Hey there, thanks for having me back again. Tracy and doug um, my name is karen. I'm from the new life in australia podcast. I'm friends with tracy and doug and you might recognize my voice because I interviewed them in episode 59 about their sri lanka trip. So let's get straight on to finding out about your amazing trip. It's been huge. You've been away for a really long time. Can you give us a quick walkthrough of your whole itinerary and where you visited?
Speaker 1:right, well, it was nine months. Yeah, doug wasn't there for the whole entire bit.
Speaker 3:We, you know no, I had to come back to australia for a few weeks, yeah yeah, he came back, I think for two months, didn't he, and then he came back yeah, but, um, but doug had long service leaves, which is something we get in australia, which is amazing.
Speaker 1:Um, so kind of we knew that was coming up, so that was one reason we kind of built the trip around that, because he had six months off, but basically the entire trip was nine months. I was away for nine months and we were in Europe, we were in North Africa, asia, and we actually started off by flying over to the US for a few days just to break the flights up, because I'm not a big fan of massive long flights and flying from Australia to the UK is 20 odd hours, and so that's what we decided to do. So, to give you a quick, kind of brief overview of it, we had 17 flights, 22 countries and nine months Wow that's huge.
Speaker 1:It was pretty big, so let's start talking about some of the destinations, which ones really surprised you, which did you love, which did you not? It was pretty big.
Speaker 2:So let's start talking about some of the destinations. Which ones really surprised you? Which did you love? Which did you not love so much?
Speaker 1:Well, we went to a lot of places, some places we hadn't been to before.
Speaker 3:Yeah, morocco and others we'd been to before which was absolutely amazing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think we both fell in love with Morocco. We absolutely loved it. I can't wait to go back and see, and I think Sri Lanka would be another highlight was amazing. And then in Europe itself, I would say Finland and Sweden. We went to stay with a friend of yours in Sweden who was. It was lovely to go and see.
Speaker 3:Yeah that was magical. All the Christmas markets started in Berlin yeah, yeah and we did so many christmas markets and you had to have much more wine.
Speaker 1:Oh, it was fantastic, it was lovely, yeah the um sweden experience.
Speaker 3:And yeah, it was fantastic.
Speaker 1:And then on my own, I guess, um, I spent three weeks in italy in november in pulia, uh, with my friend shelly, who's another of the uh guests, comes and comes on the podcast every month to talk about different tips that we share and the ladies that travel segment. So I went to spend some time with Shelley in Puglia, which was an area of Italy that I had not been to before, not really considered before, and, oh my goodness, wow, amazing. Shelley's actually going to be coming on soon and we're going to do a bit of a deep dive into Puglia oh, that sounds great.
Speaker 2:So so many amazing places you visited on the way. Were there any places that you wish that you'd been able to stay longer?
Speaker 1:morocco morocco, without a doubt I think I I would say, yeah, we can't both of us can't wait to go back to morocco.
Speaker 3:We met some lovely people on on a tour there as well, but just the people that we met. It was just such a but just the people that we met. It's just such a contrast to so many other countries we've visited and such a rich history as well, which you don't always realise.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:It's culturally just so different to any other personal experience before.
Speaker 1:So yeah, and they meant that you'd set foot on the African continent for the first time, as well, that is also true. And Moroccan food is my favourite, so it was wonderful food for me actually. Yeah, I could eat Moroccan food every day and be really happy.
Speaker 3:Tagine for breakfast, exactly.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. I mean just the vegetables, they're just fantastic.
Speaker 3:I just love it. It's so healthy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I do love sweets, though there's a lot of sweets Moroccan people have a lot of very sweet things, but you can avoid them.
Speaker 2:So were there any other places that you wish you'd kind of skipped or stayed like shorter trip?
Speaker 1:I don't think anywhere necessarily shorter. I think probably Istanbul. I think I'd probably want to spend a little bit longer exploring Istanbul. We were there for a few days, yeah, turkey in general, I think I'd like to go and explore far more of. We just feel like we dipped our toes into that, I think. Um, and also we had awful weather when we were in Portugal, really dreadful, particularly Porto. Lisbon was okay, but Porto we had really bad weather. So you know, we just couldn't go out and explore as much as we wanted to.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and in Spain, I wanted to travel a bit more around by Spain, but unfortunately there was train strikes on at the time, so I wanted to do some of the high speed train lines, which not a problem. I mean, it was a problem the fact I didn't do it. Just save it for next time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's one of those things. You can't plan those things can you?
Speaker 1:They just happen, and it's about being flexible and also, yeah, I'd say Sweden and Finland would be other ones that I'd want to see more of, most definitely.
Speaker 3:And then next, time that way between Sweden we're allowed to go across on the ferry to Estonia as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we didn't do that this time. Yeah, so that was something we could do do wow.
Speaker 2:so how do you approach seasonal travel? You were mentioning the christmas markets and I'm guessing there was a lot of packing of warm things or a lot of buying of warm things when you got there. Like, how do you even plan for for that kind of travel, thermals?
Speaker 3:thermals yeah, because it's it's you clothes. From a male perspective. You're talking about warmth. It's not sort of sweaty clothes and you've got to wash them every day, sort of thing. So it's about literally keeping warm. So it's more, you know, thermal clothes, it's thicker socks.
Speaker 2:And things you're not really used to in Australia as well.
Speaker 3:We don't really have that here that is very true, yeah, but that all adds to the special feeling, particularly at Christmas time. It's freezing cold.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was pretty chilly but we, just we did. We went to Marks and Spencer's in the UK and just bought thermals, so thermal um, and also Uniqlo. I bought some some really cool well cool, actually warm, but very thin uh, tops that you can wear underneath the clothes. That were amazing. So just the layering aspect is really, is really important, and also hand warmers.
Speaker 1:We bought hand warmers which are, they were actually invaluable when I was in Italy, because in Puglia it was actually freezing in November and I was staying in a tulli which is a traditional tullo tullo I forgot its name right a traditional home in the Puglia region and it was very, very cold. So hand warmers in the bed were the best way to keep warm but they are honestly, I wouldn't travel anywhere in winter without having hand warmers yeah, I assumed houses would be really warm there.
Speaker 2:Like I know, in the UK obviously everyone's got double glazing and central heating, and so inside you're normally quite hot and then you go outside and it suddenly gets very cold.
Speaker 1:I don't know, because I think there's rules, because when I stayed in Rome to start with, and, um, we were quite cold and I spoke to the people from the the apartment and I said, oh, actually they weren't allowed to turn the heating on yet, because it's a rule in Rome that there's a certain day the mayor will say yes, you can turn the heating on.
Speaker 1:So yeah, I think that there's there's more to it. I think, like in when I stayed a pool year, there was a fire which I but I didn't want to do that sort that out on my own, um, you know, set the fire and do so. So, basically, um, and I was there with a friend for the first few days and then she flew back to the uk and I was like I'm not gonna mess around with the fire, open fire, so just hand warmers, honestly, and that was at night, and then during the day, just have layers, make sure that you've. You know, you plan for that. But yeah, seasonally we went from the very cold to the very hot during this trip.
Speaker 2:I was gonna say, and how you plan for packing with that. That means a lot of extra stuff in your suitcase yeah, well, I think because we because we're a lot of time.
Speaker 1:We spent a lot of time based in the UK. We we then left a lot of stuff in the UK that we knew we weren't going to need on this second part of the trip. So we left um mid-February for the last kind of push of the trip and we knew we were only going to be in a few places like Spain and Portugal, turkey, where it might be cooler but not as cold. So therefore we took far less kind of warmer clothes and we took far more of the things that you need in a warmer and a hot climate.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and we just talked about in your Sri Lanka episode how you had a base at the beginning and at the end of your trip where you were able to leave all of your luggage as well, so you could just kind of pack what you needed for your for your travels around the region as well. So that was a really good tip that you shared there and we did that in Morocco.
Speaker 1:I will just say we did that same thing in Morocco. We stayed in the same hotel. We actually we did a tour, which we'll talk about in a bit, but we we, we deliberately left booked in the hotel in marrakech that we were ending the tour in, even though it started in casablanca. We flew in, stayed at that hotel in marrakech and then got, got, made our own way to casablanca, but it meant we could leave the luggage and store it there, so we didn't have to take the luggage again on this tour all around morocco. So then, when we got back to the hotel, I think everybody was amazed, because then we brought all this luggage out from the storage suddenly wearing different clothes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah now, were there any standout experiences or bucket list moments, like some amazing things you've been wanting to do your whole lives that you were able to do on this trip?
Speaker 3:well, go to. Portugal, portugal. Now others have been portugal so we're determined to get there. Um, but I said the weather was was not great, I think chef showan for me was just somewhere I'd seen on the race around the world in morocco.
Speaker 1:so this is the blue city in morocco and I'd seen it on the race around the world program that was a bbc one, I think um a few years ago, and I was like I want to go and see this and see this place. It's blue, it's called Blue Sea and it is amazing and that, oh, I just loved it. I just thought that was absolutely fantastic. So that was beautiful. Going to Istanbul actually was somewhere that just everybody I know has been to Istanbul, so that was amazing to go to.
Speaker 1:On a kind of sadder note on somewhere that I don't know it's not a bucket list destination, but I think it's somewhere that I'd wanted to go to um for a long time. Was was Auschwitz, birkenau. So we did that um, and I think you know that I had I couldn't sleep for for nights after that, so that was that had a huge impact. Um, yeah, so, and I think I guess, in terms of happier things than some of the Christmas markets I mean you can't, you know, especially Germany, germany new Christmas markets to to an outstanding degree, they really really do.
Speaker 1:And what about? I mean the must, and obviously we shrank. You did a train trip that you really enjoyed.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I like all train, you know, but that was special. I enjoy the train journey from Madrid down to Seville, know, but that was special. I enjoyed the train journey from madrid down to seville. That was a one train journey I wanted to do and civil as a place.
Speaker 1:We thoroughly thought, enjoyed it. It was amazing.
Speaker 3:Seville was beautiful um, and then in barcelona, just outside barcelona, we went back to the town of sigis, where I used to go when I was growing up, and that was nice, a special place to visit again taking tracy. I wish you enjoyed that I did.
Speaker 1:I really did enjoy it and also I'm just going to throw in there as well I went to Jersey in October for 10 days doing a house sit. Now I've always wanted to go to Jersey because of one thing I was a big fan when I was growing up with Gerald Dorrell, so I managed to go and visit Jersey Zoo. I managed to go and visit Jersey Zoo. I managed to go and pay my respects, shed a tear or two, I have to say. I was always such a big fan of Gerald Durrell, and so that was a real highlight of me, for me of that trip just being able to go. I actually just spent a week chilling out, house-sitting in Jersey.
Speaker 3:But that was the one thing that I really wanted to do, so that was a huge, since, since I was 11 or even younger, I wanted to go there. So that was fantastic, yeah, yeah, I have to say back into the uk, I thought I enjoyed the house that we did in edinburgh just in the new year, hog night into the new year and lots of train journeys from there, which I did as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I did. Yeah, we did a lot of them. We went to belfast. I've not been to northern ireland, so there was just a lot in this trip that when I start talking about it now.
Speaker 2:I could probably talk forever about all the highlights because there's so many, but it was amazing yeah, I mean, you've been to so many places and like how did you even begin to like think about this, what inspired you to take on such a big trip for a nine month, traveling with all these different countries? And like, how did you envisage putting it all together?
Speaker 1:I think it was where we, where we kind of wanted to go to some places we knew we hadn't been to before, so Spain and Portugal were definitely up there. Turkey was up there.
Speaker 3:We've shopped into Spain many times, but there's lots of places, but some places we hadn't been to in Spain.
Speaker 1:We hadn't been to the southern part of Spain and I wanted to do that. So it wasn't necessarily countries, but it was also places we hadn't been to, places we hadn't been to. So I guess it was that when you have the whole world to choose from it's when do you begin?
Speaker 3:Where do you begin?
Speaker 1:I think when you were going to, because obviously we're doing a lot of research in the UK and London travel planning websites, so basing ourselves in the UK and also catching up with family was really important. So I guess it was then. We just took opportunities as they arose, for example in January. I wasn it was then. We just took opportunities as they arose, for example in January. I wasn't sure where we were going to go in in February and then I happened to see that Intrepid had a sale on and I said let's have a look where we could go, and Morocco was really reasonably priced on sale. I went let's go to Morocco.
Speaker 2:I was going to say when you left and you were going off, I didn't know quite what a spectacular trip you had planned. And you didn't know at the time either, because you didn't have it all locked in in advance.
Speaker 1:So I kind of winged it a lot of the way, like deciding where you know, because of the flight thing, about not having flights longer than five hours, it was kind of like, oh well, where can we go for that? And then I guess we knew in in December we kind of dug arrived back into the UK, flew back in and it was like, well, we've got a house it's starting into the UK. Flew back in and it was like, well, we've got a house sit-starting on the 29th of December in Edinburgh, where should we go in Europe? And it had to be Christmas markets and you know I love the heat but also I was like I want to see some snow. So that kind of drove that trip a bit. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so you were kind of trying to plan a little bit ahead, but being spontaneous and flexible and also it's a long time since I've taken the Eurostar from London St Pancras to Amsterdam since the new station opened up. So that was the starting point and then we took it from there where we're going to head to afterwards.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and just followed your interest from that point onwards. So where did you turn to to get inspiration and practical advice for all of this?
Speaker 3:Well, we talked about it for hours, didn't we?
Speaker 2:We did.
Speaker 3:You know, it was more of a question where we're going to leave out as to where we're going to go, but then it had to logically follow.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Because we didn't want to be going one direction. Doubling back, doubling back, so it seemed a lot. We wanted a logical sequence.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So, for example, like going to Morocco, we were then, well, where should we go from Morocco? Well, it was very easy, just to hop across to Spain. Then we're in Spain, well, we might as well go to Portugal. So then then we were actually initially what we wanted to do was to travel from Portugal to Istanbul and Turkey just by train, and that was the plan. But then, to be honest, we realized it wasn't that practical because we had too much luggage, and that was the plan. But then, to be honest, we realized it wasn't that practical because we had too much luggage and it was just not something, and if we did that, we were going to have to knock on the head something else, like Sri Lanka, which we didn't want to do. So we will do that on another trip, because we talked about it a lot and we we looked at logistics so we could easily do it, and I planned some places that I hadn't seen in Italy that I wanted to go to.
Speaker 1:There was a few issues with some of the trains. When we started looking at it, it wasn't around Romania, I think, was a bit more tricky. Serbia, serbia, yeah, was a bit more tricky. So I think that would have needed a longer planning time than we wanted to give it, to be honest. So we kind of just gave in and decided we're going to just have to fly. So I think it was just then which have to fly, so that I think it was just then which are the key destinations we haven't been to that we want to go to. I knew we had a bit of Portugal, we had a bit of Poland, we had a bit of Morocco. We hadn't been to Qatar, which we hadn't been to Sri Lanka, we hadn't been to Turkey before. There's actually a lot of destinations we actually hadn't been to and I'm keen to see as many places as I can, I think there's only about three countries or four countries in Europe that we haven't been to now.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, trying to cover as much as possible. Again, trying to do as much research as possible for the websites global travel planning website as well, because we're kind of focused on train travel and planning train travel around the world but also you're going to consider is how much it's going to cost you yeah so you've got to wait, or what might want to do that, but that is crazy expensive, so that's gonna have to wait till next time.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, iceland, yeah, you'll be practical, yeah.
Speaker 1:Iceland was high, high, high on my wish list. It was probably it was in the top three and I looked at it. I could have actually gone from Glasgow, flown from gone to from Edinburgh to Glasgow, got the flight over and spent a week in Iceland who I'll do. We stayed at the house, it, and I did look at it, but then Doug kind of went. I really want to go.
Speaker 1:I did, I did so so Iceland, ghana got pushed back, so that'll that'll be on another trip. Like you can't do everything, you just can't and there will be other trips, you know. I mean, it's not like this is the only trip, so there'll always be other trips for sure.
Speaker 2:But yeah, there's so many logistics involved in it, like whether it's luggage, whether it's flights, whether it's time, whether it's budget, this. You have to kind of compromise somewhere on every trip that you do, don't you? It's just about fitting in those really important things. So you traveled a lot independently and you also did some tours as part of the trip. Can you tell us a bit about some of the tours that you did and which ones stood out well?
Speaker 3:we like food, we do tend to look at food tours wherever we go, don't we?
Speaker 1:Yeah, and we were very spoiled by Walks and Devour tours and that they invited us to experience some of their tours. So a huge thank you to Walks and to Devour for that and honestly, we highly recommend that you do a food tour as the first thing that you do when you arrive at a destination, because you will find out about all the best places to eat. You will learn about what to eat because you might not be aware of all the different local specialities and what's around. So we did food tours in Madrid, we did a food tours in Seville, we did food tours in Barcelona.
Speaker 1:I'm spotting a theme here, yeah, yeah we've done food tours in London, with Devour as well, I mean. So they were fabulous. And one food tour we did, the tapas and flamenco one in seville oh, that was just outstanding.
Speaker 3:Stand out, stand out. I cannot think of the word. I can't even find the words to describe that evening with the flamenco dancing oh no, and a big shout out as well sophie, who took the tour.
Speaker 1:She was fabulous, absolutely fabulous, and her love for flamenco came through as well. So we were all kind of really excited by the time I got to watch it and it did not disappoint, and actually Sophie said it was one of the best ones she'd seen. So she was five.
Speaker 3:All of the walks and devour guides are outstanding, outstanding and one thing I will say is they also incorporate a little bit history yeah, yeah, you learn about the location and the country. Yeah, just a nice lovely balance yeah, it's not like a history lesson. It's just a little bit in there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, just to give it a you know a theme, just to yeah, and they do say that it's not just about food, it's about learn about the culture and history as well, and that is important. Otherwise you have no context to put it in. Yeah, um, so you learn about the history of the different places that you go to eat, as well as the foods, and it's important and in kind of the region and the history and culture of the people of that area, so that's really important. Other, we did some walking tours as well. With walks, again, huge thank you. Big standout for for me was the tour in Seville with with Alba. Oh, yeah fantastic.
Speaker 1:Hi, alba. Big shout out to you because you were amazing. You were fantastic. I've got a lovely reel on Instagram with Alba so I will share that in the show notes. She was outstanding and we had such a lovely, lovely time with her and it was it was a day in Seville tour with her and we learned about history, we learned, we walked around Seville, we saw so much.
Speaker 3:We had some lunch with her afterwards. We had lunch with her afterwards. We learned about history. We learned.
Speaker 1:We walked around Seville. We saw so much. We had some lunch with her after we took our lunch, because we just absolutely amazing. Um, we did some fantastic tours in Barcelona as well, learning about Gaudi we say it right, gaudi which were also fantastic. You know, and I recommend highly, if you visit a place to do a tour, because if you walk around yourself, you don't learn or you just don't get to know as much as you would if you do a tour.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I love going on tours. I think it sounds like you blended traveling independently with day tours with some multi-day tours to get the best balance of everything absolutely.
Speaker 1:yeah, we did a lot of those, a lot of day tours, and we also did a multi-day tour in Morocco and that was through Intrepid. I've toured with Intrepid before. I did two tours in India last year with Intrepid, so I know they're an excellent, excellent company and you know it was just brilliant. It was really, really enjoyable and it was the first time that Doug's actually done a multi-day tour and that, you know, he's never done something that wasn't independent. Um, so I had to talk him into that because he was a bit like I don't know if I want to travel with these people, I don't know, but you loved it.
Speaker 3:I did. Yeah, a big shout out there to the tour guide, fred, who really looked after me. Before I left the UK I'd been in hospital, so he looked after me when I said I needed certain things and certain conditions. And you, you know privacy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, you know he's brilliant. It was really good. All the tour guides were fantastic. Big shout out to Fred. And we did other tours and other destinations as well. So again, just highly recommend you do a food tour If you're only in destination for a short period of time. Do a day in tour with walks, so like a day in Seville, a day in Barcelona Because you with walks. So like a day in Seville, a day in Barcelona because you, you get everything kind of condensed into the day but all the main highlights of a destination, yeah that's like the perfect balance.
Speaker 2:So what did you pack for your trip when you were going away for that long? Like, did you actually know you were going away for nine months when you went away? I can't remember if you did or if I knew. You knew you were going for a longer trip.
Speaker 1:But how do you even begin to pack for something like that when you're just kind of going off and yeah we didn't have a, we didn't have a definite we'd have a flight back, but we knew we had to be back for going back to work in the middle of May. So we knew, I knew I was going to be away kind of nine month ish. And I did say to people when I left I'm not sure when I'm going to be back exactly. And, and you know, our daughter as well was like we'll, we'll be back sometime in.
Speaker 1:May.
Speaker 2:One day? Yeah, we'll be back in May.
Speaker 1:So packing look at that. I do have a lot of things at mum's house, probably too much stuff at mum's house in the UK. So she did have some of my clothes there and I did buy stuff. I'm terrible, I do buy clothes and I go. I just I'm terrible in the UK. She's terrible everywhere. Yeah, I bought some scarves in Morocco and so on. Yeah, I mean it's.
Speaker 3:The amount of clothes I carry seems to get less. It does. It's crazy.
Speaker 1:He was like how come do I have like a third of one of the suitcases and you have two thirds and they're all of the other suitcases.
Speaker 2:You see my husband and I are opposites. He packs all the cases and I travel really light with hardly anything.
Speaker 1:So yeah, I think A um I mean it was a lot of layers you took.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I did take.
Speaker 1:I guess because we knew we were going to be in europe for winter, so we did buy things like, say, the thermal things when we're over there. We've got coats that were bought in australia from where was it not anaconda? From what's the shop in australia? We bought them from catmandu, catmandu, that's it. We bought from katmandu. So we had those, um, and then, you know, bought, probably bought some more. I mean, you can't have too many scarves.
Speaker 3:I've got lots of stuff in these. I have some trousers that convert to shorts.
Speaker 2:The practical stuff yeah.
Speaker 1:Actually, what we did find, or what I did find, is that I didn't have enough clothes for hot climate. That's where I struggled more when we were coming back, because we left a lot of stuff in the UK. I just didn't have enough. I didn't have enough shorts. It was short. Specifically, if you're going to mention one item, it was short one pair of shorts. That was a big mistake, considering we're really hot climate and you just want to be wearing shorts and you probably got a heap of shorts here in australia and sandals and everything kind of I had one pair of sandals.
Speaker 1:I'm always very strict with footwear, so I took one pair of sandals, one pair of flip-flops and I had one pair of trainers. I'm very strict with with footwear. And I did have a pair of boots in the UK which I've left at mom's, but I think it was more. Yeah, I think I've come back and I can't just add some like 35 pairs of shorts.
Speaker 2:I could have done these when we're in Malaysia and Sri Lanka.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is a juggle you have to. I mean, thank goodness for compressing packing cubes, yeah an expandable suitcase yes, yes, that is very good. That's the other thing is buying things. When you go, it's like we you know I bought things, so yeah not to mention 20 000 fridge magnets. I know, I know people go fridge magnets.
Speaker 3:I don't care, fridge magnets they're not that heavy, they don't take any room, you know when you got three ton of them?
Speaker 1:yeah, because you've got to think about like in europe for flying they're so strict about weight so I had to pay extra weight before I got onto the flights for everything. I just knew we were gonna and we ended up buying a bigger suitcase in where were uh seville? Seville, barcelona cities and, yeah, just near barcelona, we ended up buying a big suitcase. I had to buy another suitcase. Yeah, wow, wow.
Speaker 2:You should box it all up and use Send my Bag to send it home.
Speaker 1:Well, you know what? I think that's what we'll be doing, and we're thinking about that actually when we're in the UK, about we've got a few suitcases left, and I was like, and I know you talked about Send my Bag, so that's something, things as you go around, yeah, um.
Speaker 2:So how did you manage things like insurance, visas and money across the countries that you're traveling in?
Speaker 1:well, insurance. We've both got um global travel insurance for 12 months, so we just made sure that it covered all the countries and destinations that we're going to and some things like the intrepid tour you've got to prove that you've got insurance um. So you know, I would never travel without travel insurance at all. It's just too risky. So we all make sure that we always make sure we have full cover. I got sick last year, another year before when we were in Vietnam, and ended up having to go to hospital with pneumonia and it only costs, I think, $400 Australian dollars in the end Cause I had cover Um. So we went to private hospital and had everything done and could claim it all back. So just think it's it's so important to make sure, so that's something we always have just check it covers the destinations and the things that you're going to do.
Speaker 2:I mean, we don't go skiing I was going to say you're not skydiving. No, no, no, no, you have to check it too.
Speaker 1:It's like we're not that adventurous so just make sure it's got the cover. When it comes to um was money, the other thing that you was visas visas. Okay, yeah, visas. Well, you just have to check what visa you need for a specific country. Now we were traveling on our australian passport and what I hadn't realized was that you don't need a visa for turkey if you're traveling on your british passport so.
Speaker 1:I, if I traveled on a British one, I could have gone to Turkey and would have saved us a lot of money, but because we were on our Australian one, I ended up getting visas. I need to renew my British passport. So so that was one thing. So do check that. If you have two passports, because you've got dual nationality, just check, because one place may not you may not need a visa for um one of the passport, so that might save you money. Yeah, so just make sure to check a lot of places as well. You just have to pay online, like Sri Lanka, there's a $50 tourist tax, so just make sure you do that before.
Speaker 1:And other visas you have to do not visas the more, like a health declaration for Singapore you have to do before you arrive, I think. Malaysia, you do it on arrival. Morocco I don't think we needed a visa for, and obviously anyway in europe we didn't. We've got. We've got british and australian passports, but it just just check. And also because there's now a lot of things like etters and esters and all these other things that are coming in etias and all I don't know. But you've just got to check what, what you will need to go into a certain destination.
Speaker 2:Because, going back to the UK now, if you don't have your British passport up to date, then you need to get an.
Speaker 1:Etta as well. Yeah, so there's all sorts of things like that. So I know when it came to Sri Lanka, we did check with our friend who had been there previously a few months before, in fact that was it also Shelley. We picked her brains a lot about Sri Lanka we're plundering about like cash.
Speaker 3:With regards to finance, we do keep a spreadsheet of expenditure when we book things in advance, which ones are paid for the cost of things. That's why we try and use an accommodation range, so it's in really nice places, yeah to work for budget, but I think that's one way of dealing with it, isn't it?
Speaker 1:Coping with the kind of work and budget?
Speaker 2:It's a really good idea as well. It just helps you sort of keep on track of what you're spending in a different destination and what expenses you've got coming up, especially when you're travelling to lots of different countries and you're managing a budget for nine months while you're travelling.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, in terms of money for travelling were you generally using cash while you were like morocco we needed cash and in sri lanka we needed cash, but I would say I mean I don't think we had a few euros when we're traveling around calamari, but, honestly, contactless really christmas markets was contact.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was contactless.
Speaker 1:I really think you just need it far less. Malaysia, we used a lot of contact less. We had some cash as well. Um singapore, we just had contactless. So a lot of it was it was mainly contactless in in some destinations that europe was mainly contact was contactless. But we found sri lanka you have to have cash and definitely morocco, yeah so did you run into any transport or accommodation problems or hiccups along? The way? I don't think. So I think everything was fairly, went fairly smoothly.
Speaker 3:There was the one in Spain with the train strikes, we had to look at our plans.
Speaker 1:That's true.
Speaker 3:yeah, we had to book a flight, sort of last minute because we couldn't take the trains.
Speaker 1:That's a good point. Yeah, I forgot about that. Yeah, we were actually going to go by train. The plan was to go to northern Spain, so we were actually going to get the train from Porto, in Portugal, to northern Spain and then go back to Barcelona that way, which I was really excited about doing and spent ages kind of planning it and figuring it out. And then, unfortunately, there was a train strike announced in Spain which really would have meant the journey was going to be impossible to do. So we hung on, and hung on, and hung on and literally I booked the flight and an hour later they cancelled the. They cancelled the strike Too late. I booked the flight. So I'm like we're going to fly. So Duke was like upset for a day or two Going oh, we want to do the train trip.
Speaker 2:I'm like, well, wasn't really going to be very easy to do, and then we booked a coach instead, and then the strike was moved or cancelled and you do have to move around a little bit and be kind of ready to change your plans.
Speaker 1:You have to be flexible sometimes because you just don't know what those sort of things around just have to go back and do it again. Yeah otherwise I think everything else went fairly smoothly. Accommodation you know, yeah, it was, it was all pretty good, and I always book with free cancellation for accommodation because you just don't know if you're going to change your plans, which actually we did in sri lanka.
Speaker 1:We changed changed accommodation options a few times because I decided to stay somewhere different yeah so it was just give us that flexibility and that, you know, I remember we went to paris a few times because I decided to stay somewhere different. Yeah, so it was just give us that flexibility and that, you know, I remember we went to Paris a few years ago and I got sick on the day, so well, the day before.
Speaker 2:So we managed to kind of cancel what we're going to do and I was just going to say when, like, we travel with kids so they can get sick and things like that, so you might need to change things or you might get another recommendation on the road from somebody that makes you want to change where you're going to stay yeah, so it's good to be flexible and open to new options. Um, what were the biggest challenges and low points during the trip? Were there any low points or was it all exciting?
Speaker 3:and I was disappointed in spain because I've got sick a few times.
Speaker 1:It seemed to be recurring every six weeks, where I would just get a sore throat, a bit of a cough and feel a bit just tired, um, and then I'd have to take a couple of days or like a whole day just resting in bed, and that just seemed to recur every six weeks. But I think you said I need to probably go and have a check on my vitamin levels or something and see if it was Um and I. I think that wasn't a low point, it's just something that happened. I didn't get too sick, thank goodness, because I think that I'll never forget the trip we did in 2023 when we did a lot around Asia and I got pneumonia, because that did impact hugely on the trip.
Speaker 3:I don't think we had a lot of low points, because we're just quite flexible with the actual elements booked in a day. If we need a little bit more time than the day after yesterday, type of thing, we'll just take it slower today. Yeah, a bit less today, yeah.
Speaker 1:I think it's disappointing. I mean, it's nothing you can do about it the weather.
Speaker 1:I was going to say the weather we were very, very unlucky in Spain and Portugal in the entire month of March and they said there was a cloud over Spain and Portugal the entire time, which is unusual and it can the entire time, which is unusual and I can rain a bit, but it just didn't budge. So that did impact particularly Portugal, particularly Porto, um, where it was torrential rain. So I got we can you go? I mean we've got rain jackets all the rest of it, but when it's that torrential you couldn't really do anything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, so that was a bit disappointing yeah, that's it, we just took advantage and just did work um, but I guess I guess that's just these days with change of climate. You don't know exactly, you can't guarantee what you're going to get. No, yeah so do you.
Speaker 2:Did you ever feel overwhelmed while you were traveling, or homesick, or burnt out or just exhausted from the whole experience?
Speaker 3:or you just kept enjoying it the whole way around. I think part of having the spreadsheet and planning out we, we keep our targets achievable and realistic, yeah, and adjust and have that flexibility.
Speaker 1:I don't think I think one thing that I did feel at the end of that, coming to the end of the trip, was that I was less inclined to want to necessarily go and see something like a museum or a or a kind of you know must-see landmark or not another museum yeah, I was a bit.
Speaker 2:I was just a bit like.
Speaker 1:I don't know. I think I got a bit history doubt, which sounds a bit crazy, but I just was like a bit a lot, I want to know the history and about the destinations, but I just didn't think I wanted to know it in so much detail.
Speaker 1:I just so, and I think it was just that. Yeah, I think we learned a lot in Spain and I know that was a lot of history, and I kind of went wow, wow, that's a lot of detail from some of these places, but I think that would probably be it. I was like I don't know if I necessarily want to. I probably just want to stay longer and I think that would be the kind of key thing stay longer in a destination.
Speaker 2:And maybe balancing different types of trips. So not just history history, but do like a wildlife or a safari type trip or something a bit more outdoorsy after it to balance yeah, I mean I probably hadn't done that much.
Speaker 1:I just I guess I just felt like by that point I remember saying to you I don't know if I want it, but even things like it were in singapore and we'd plan to go and see, um, the, the, the super grove, the trees, super trees grove, what it's called, near Goddesby the Bay, and I've seen it a few times and I was just I really wanted to go, but I was like I'm too tired, I can't. So I think, and that's okay, just give yourself that bit of kind of flexibility and think about just how much we had done and learned and seen.
Speaker 3:But I think that it becomes more mechanical? I think yeah, when it. But I think that it becomes more mechanical? I think yeah, when it does. It's just, you know, I'm catching the train today, I'm catching the flight today and we're going to go to this shopping centre, we're going to get that museum and it becomes if you're not careful yeah, too mechanical a little bit routine.
Speaker 1:Yes, so I think that was one thing that I felt that I'd like to stay longer and really kind of immersed myself in a culture more than actually feeling like I'm going here, there and everywhere and got you know, even if it's a fun, like we were 15 days in Malaysia and it was like five days in Kuala Lumpur, five days in Ipoh, five days in Penang, um, but it was, it was I could have spent longer, and I think that was the thing. It's like I, we, we had a list of things we want to do in EPO and we kind of didn't do everything because it was like actually, let's have a few days, just break, yeah, um. So I think that's something. When it comes to um, I could go again, I could get on a flight tomorrow and do it again, but I wouldn't do 22 countries it was a little bit extreme we might talk about it, but not actually do it yeah, no, I wouldn't, I, I just wouldn't.
Speaker 1:I mean saying that my I turned 16 in a year, in a bit time. Um, I, I'd like to spend that whole year in south america exploring south america. But then it's a 12-month trip, but then there's a lot of countries, so I don't know yeah, well, lots to look forward to.
Speaker 2:So what was it like trying to run a business and creating content while you're on the go? And, like you said before in in the last podcast episode that I just interviewed you? For? The internet can be patchy, wi-fi can be patchy, and that can make things really difficult um, I think it's.
Speaker 1:We have to divide up what we do. So doug takes videos. I take a lot of photos. We doug takes the notes of everything that we do every day.
Speaker 1:He keeps a diary. So that's a good way, because obviously now we're going back and we've just published our Sri Lanka at Chimney on the Global Travel Planning website. But we could go through all those notes and then put the post together. So that's how we do it, because I think you know that on a day, for example, if you're out for 10 hours, you're not going to want to do a whole lot of work, so just writing notes're not going to want to do a whole lot of work, so just writing notes, or don't kind of stop dictating the notes and storing them. That way. That's a good system for us.
Speaker 1:What I do struggle with I do manage to put stories out on Instagram. I'm pretty good with those but what I do struggle with are the larger content, like doing reels or doing YouTube videos. We decided that that was too much to do. We did plan to do some vlogging when we traveled and that was my intention, but actually, after trying to do that a couple of times, I realized that wasn't really my style. And we're gonna. We are gonna do and be doing a lot of youtube videos about our travels, but we'll, we'll talk about it, we'll, we'll record ourselves talking about it and we'll just use a lot of the videos to show and illustrate what we're talking about we also set work days.
Speaker 3:Yes, you know, when we looked at, particularly when we were in spain, really, when we saw the weather forecast, you know tomorrow's going to be horrendously wet day, so we did set some days. Yeah, we did just work, yeah yeah, we did.
Speaker 1:We did and also when we were house sitting in scotland. We're there for seven weeks so it meant that I could record a lot of podcasts. So because obviously I've got two weekly podcasts, which is a lot of podcasts, so I recorded a lot in January. I can't even remember how many, but it covered until basically I got back in June I did things like wrote 26 emails.
Speaker 1:My travel trip tip Tuesday series on UK travel planning, which is extremely popular. It's gone down so well. I wrote all of those in January and scheduled those ahead. So it's kind of planning ahead and also planning what you need in terms of getting the content, batching, yeah, when you're in a destination as well, and also giving yourself some time to enjoy it as well and not constantly thinking what do I need to get? What do I need to get? If you plan ahead and know what you need so if you know you know, for example, you're going to write an article about EPO then you know exactly the places that you need to get photos for and get video for and you know what you're going to do and look for yeah and we, in some places we stopped.
Speaker 3:We deliberately booked um um self-accommodation, you know, self-cage in type places. So if we're having work days and the weather is bad we really would not need to go out. And we did set those days aside, didn't we?
Speaker 1:yeah, we did, and we did a lot that. We did booked apartments in Spain and Portugal. We did have some hotels in Portugal, but it meant that we knew that we could work, we had more space, we had a washing machine as well, so we could keep on top of washings and your house sitting as well, yeah, so that really helped as well.
Speaker 1:So I think it's that just just just planning how you're going to manage your work, um, because it's not a holiday in the traditional sense of what everybody thinks, and like you said, knowing how you work best, because I'm the same as you.
Speaker 2:I can't be. I don't like creating reels when I'm on the go trying to enjoy a destination. You want to enjoy it and experience it and then take that away and put that into a reel, rather than feeling like you're missing out on having fun because you're creating content all the time yeah, and I mean, I've got a lot of friends who who will write up what they did every single day and put it on their facebook group.
Speaker 1:And I'm just not good and I really should be doing that and I just find I'm too tired to do that. But now we've got every bit of information about what we did every day so we can share that with the photos. Now, um, I just you have to be, you just have to be aware how, how you're going to cope with it and manage it, because it's so easy to burn out with this type of thing you work to your strengths yeah, yeah, and it's not just about traveling.
Speaker 2:Traveling's exhausting anyway, but traveling and working and creating content, it's a very different experience. You're trying to take notes of everything that you're doing because you're trying to share all of those tips and things, so there's a lot going on in your mind like it's exhausting, yeah, and you'll try things that you wouldn't necessarily try, because you know that somebody's going to ask you about that.
Speaker 1:So you might. You might try different ways of transportation so that you can try all the different ways out, or so this you're always kind of thinking about, and especially because we were kind of aiming to help all we do is help people to plan their trips, maybe for a first time, to destinations all over the world. We're kind of going into it as well with a what time? What does a first-time visitor need to know? What do we, what? What have we kind of taken away as a first-time to this destination that wish we had known before we went? And that's what we're trying to do is like how can we share those tips and that information to make it so, if you're planning to visit Japan or you're planning to visit Vietnam or you're going to go to Sri Lanka, we have all that information that you need to know as a first time visitor to prepare yourself.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, that's great. So what did you learn about yourselves, about travel, about each other?
Speaker 1:while you were travelling.
Speaker 2:I'm sure it was quite an experience being away together for that long.
Speaker 1:It was. I mean, we did pretty well, I think.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no divorce.
Speaker 1:No no.
Speaker 2:Occasionally I went off.
Speaker 3:You know, Tracy wanted a bit of peace and quiet, so I went and did something different.
Speaker 1:That's the beauty of the um self-catering places where there's more than one room, because at times we're working in different rooms, or I went out, or you know. Yeah, I think it's that, having that flexibility, we did exactly the same. I'm thinking about vietnam as well. Like you, went and did a a tour a whole day to that. I just was. I just want to have a day and just relax. I need to just to reset. So doug went and did that tour and I didn't do it. And it's kind of recognizing that you're going to have different interests and that's okay. So one of you could go to the art museums that would probably be more me and Doug could go to the train museum, because that would be more him. So it's that kind of looking at what you both enjoy and like and then giving yourself a bit of space as well to do that, and then kind of working together on things like meals and washing, all those things that you have to do.
Speaker 2:There's mundane tasks that you need to get about those sort of daily tasks when you're traveling bills to pay.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, who's in?
Speaker 1:charge of doing what. So that you know you don't have to worry about that, because the other you know doug's sorting that out, so that's not on my plate to do as well. So it's kind of knowing who's doing what.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh, I like that. That's a good idea of allocating tasks to each other.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And also you've got two of you, so you're getting double the content creation as well, because if Doug's off doing one thing and you're off doing a different thing, then you're able to kind of spread yourself more around and do more activities activities that will interest different people, so that's really good. Um so, what would you say to someone who is dreaming of planning such a similar big trip to yours?
Speaker 1:go for it. Where do you? Begin, I'll go for it, yeah, I think, decide where, where you want to go and how long, for what your budget is realistic be realistic, it's going to be more expensive than you think it's going to be, more expensive than you think. The reality is just going to say it's going to be more expensive than you think.
Speaker 3:Well, the reality is that some countries, sometimes some cities, are more expensive than others. Yeah, so you've got to think what's the most important thing for you? Is the accommodation? Is that the most important thing for you? Or is it going out for a nice meal? Is that the most important?
Speaker 1:So you've got to find a mix that suits both of you, kind of thing, or whoever's traveling, yeah, and kind of yeah, have some flexibility and stuff. I think when, like, for example, I wanted to stay in barcelona because we were writing about barcelona and dude, but doug had spent, had gone during his childhood to siges, which is south of barcelona, and so he said, why don't we stay in siges and we can travel into barcelona? And I was like, oh, okay, right, is it going to be difficult? And he went no, no, it's really easy to get.
Speaker 1:And I loved Sijs, loved Sijs. I wouldn't. Honestly, if you're going to stay in Barcelona, don't stay in Barcelona, go and stay in Sijs. It's really easy to get into Barcelona by train. It was just lovely. It was so, so lovely, and we weren't in the big mellow of the big city, we're out beside the beach in this gorgeous little town. You know it was that. That was a actually big surprise for me and that was something I had to kind of give and take, because doug was like, oh, let's go, and I was like, yeah so kind of listening to each other as well was something that we did in it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I'd say that listen to what you're you're. If you're traveling solo, you can do what you want and go where you want. But if you're traveling with a family or with a partner, ask, you know, chat about where you want to go and what you want to do. So when you do that overall itinerary, you go into places that you both want.
Speaker 3:But then when you get to the nitty-gritty, then you know you might go and do separate things on it on a day and it's okay and that's true when you're traveling for quite a while, you're bound to have, let's say, off days, but days where your energy levels are not quite up there sort of thing. So you've got to have that bit of flexibility, maybe just setting out a bit later in the morning, a bit of a lying bed in the morning, and take it a bit of a slower pace, or changing your itinerary a little, if possible.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that sounds like a good balance. So what's one thing you would definitely do differently if you did it all over again, which you would definitely? Do differently if you did it all over again, which I'm sure you will be doing it all over again, different places, next time.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I don't know. I think for me is I'd like to spend longer in some destinations and I probably would avoid Europe in winter. Not for, I mean, december was amazing and I loved the Christmas markets, but I'd forgotten about the actual reason why I moved from the UK to Australia until I realised that January in Scotland it's dark and grey and the weather was a bit iffy. So I think that I would probably look at certainly not going in summer. I wouldn't go to places like Europe in June, july, august Not a chance.
Speaker 2:Look at school holiday dates as well.
Speaker 1:It's very important yeah absolutely, I think, just probably a bit more slower travel, less destinations.
Speaker 3:More train travel.
Speaker 1:Always.
Speaker 3:There's one thing I would do next time, once we've settled on an itinerary, is have a look if there's any public holidays that I'm unaware of or festivals in the town, city, country.
Speaker 2:Like you were saying, in Sri Lanka, that impacted your trip there. Did not know that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean again we adjusted, you know, as required for the sort of thing. But I think I definitely would look, do a search, see if there's any upcoming public holidays I'm unaware of or festivals.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I think that's a good point.
Speaker 2:Yeah right, final question we made it to the end. What is one tip you would share with someone who is planning their nine month or extended trip around the world for the first time?
Speaker 1:oh, I think I think be organized with everything back home so you know if you're leaving your, your home, make sure you know that it how, you know it's locked up, it's safe that you've got people checking on it, because then you don't want to be worried about what's going on. That was just.
Speaker 1:There was a cyclone gonna say we had a cyclone here in brisbane yeah, so we're very lucky that we've got a friend who lives lives above our apartment so she could check on the apartment and keep it safe for us. And also we planned things like we knew what bills were going to come out. Doug all sorted all that on a spreadsheet Because what you don't want to happen is, for example, a big bill to be coming out and you're somewhere where there's no Wi-Fi and you haven't set it up. So we did a lot of direct debits or late payment fees. Yeah, so just know what's happening back home so that you've got everything covered, because the last thing you want to do when you're thousands of miles away is have to deal with, you know, something that you can't sort out at home, that you haven't already got some sort of plan for.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I would say, strategically, look where you can leave luggage. We've done it in two locations, but I would always, if possible, so obviously travel light to start with. But if you're traveling across seasons, sometimes it's just not physically possible to reduce too much what you carry. And so if you can leave your luggage and party trip in a country or town or what our area, if you can leave it in one location, some of it, and you travel light, I would always look at that option.
Speaker 1:And there's one thing I'm going to say which I would also say is make sure you've got good travel insurance. If you can't afford travel insurance, you can't afford to travel.
Speaker 2:That's so important.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely. So that would be it, yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, thank you so much for telling us all about your trip today. It's been really fun learning all about it well, thanks, karen.
Speaker 1:Thanks again for coming on and interviewing us on the podcast. I will put a link to your podcast and to everything we talked about in this episode in the show notes, which are at globaltravelplanningcom. Forward slash episode 62. But that leaves us to say, as always, until next week. Happy global travel planning. Thank you for joining us on this episode of the Global Travel Planning Podcast. For more details and links to everything we discussed today, check out the show notes at globaltravelplanningcom. Remember if you enjoyed the show, please consider leaving us a review on your favorite podcast app, because your feedback helps us reach more travel enthusiasts, just like you. Anyway, that leaves me to say, as always happy global travel planning.