Victoria Coren-Mitchell

Join me in conversation with Victoria Coren Mitchell, writer, poker player and host of BBC Two's lateral thinking quiz show 'Only Connect'. We discuss self-belief, following your own path, eclectic hobbies and so much more. Listen to Victoria's wise words on everything from career paths to how to have the edge at a poker table! 

• Victoria Coren Mitchell dives into her career journey from teen writer to 
poker queen and discusses the power of seeing to believe. Join me as 
we share the quirks behind the scenes!
• We explore the contrasts between public fears and private jokes, and 
how Victoria turned her intellectual passions into a unique career path. 
Discover Victoria Coren Mitchell story!
• Listen in as we unravel the balance between intellectual challenges and 
social anxieties, and the humorous side of hosting TV quizzes without 
an audience.
• From writing teen columns to dominating the poker world, Victoria 
Coren Mitchell revealed how a childhood surrounded by creativity 
paved her path. Get inspired by her journey!
• Victoria Coren Mitchell shares candid insights on navigating maledominated spaces and the importance of representation. Tune in to 
hear how these experiences shaped her life

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Wednesday Wisdom - Victoria Coren Mitchell 
Ayo Sokale: Hi there, and welcome to Wednesday weekly Wisdom, my 
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Victoria Corin Mitchell: Hi there. 
Ayo Sokale: and welcome back to Wednesday weekly wisdom with me. 
And today I have the most incredible guest joining us. I have Victoria Corin 
Mitchell. 
Victoria Corin Mitchell: Hi there. 
Ayo Sokale: I'm so excited for this conversation. As many of you already 
know, Victoria is a household name. She presents BBC Two's highest rated 
show, only Connect, as well as hosting radio four comedy series, women 
talking about cars and ready for hearsay, which she also produces. I am so 
excited because Victoria also is an international poker player, which is a 
highly male dominated area. And I can't wait to hear how she's navigated 
this and had the most incredible career. Thank you so much. I'm so 
excited. And even just posting about your joining me, everyone was like, 
oh, my God, Victoria is amazing. Like, you're such an institution of, ah, black 
British television. 
But only when I was doing my homework, realised just how early in your 
career you started writing and sharing your thoughts. Is it true that you 
were inspired by Joe March from little women to apply for a writing 
competition at the age of 14? Is that how you got started? Is that right? 
Victoria Corin Mitchell: Yeah. I mean, that was quite late on 14. I was kind 
of obsessive at school. I used to make little magazines and sell them. I 
don't know why anyone bought them, but I used to write little what I 
thought were satirical pamphlets about the teachers and the school and 
news and that kind of thing and sell those at the gate. So, by the time I was 
14 and trying to sell short stories to magazines, I considered myself quite 
the old pro. 
Ayo Sokale: I love that. So, you'd actually started off, wait, what if it made 
you think, I'm going to start writing magazines at school because you say 
you're obsessive and to prefer studying your career. It's so eclectic and you 
very much seem like a, just into so many different things. Like, where did it 
all stem from? Like, what is the heart of, like, Victoria before all the cool 
things that you've achieved? 
Victoria Corin Mitchell: Well, my father was a writer, so it seemed like the 
kind of thing one would be. I mean, people often say, oh, you know, you 
know, they use this term nepo baby now, or people, sort of because it's a 
different world now. if you've got parents and entertainment, they can 
choose to sort of tweet about you and put your stuff on Instagram. And I 
don't understand how that all works. But you see that, don't you? People in 
reality TV, their children are all part of the package to people often say, oh, 
your father was a writer, and he went on tv sometimes. He wasn't super 
famous, but he did that stuff. Oh, did he organise that all for you? And I 
have to explain. No, I mean, it wasn't like that at all. He went to work; we 
didn't meet the people he worked with. 
We didn't have anything to do with his working life. But it does give you 
the idea that it's possible, you know, for people growing up miles from 
London, and their parents are, you know, whatever it happens to be, 
they're greengrocers or their dentists or whatever, it must seem 
impossible. How would you get there? How do you get to the point? 
Whereas in our house, the idea that you might sell your own writing for 
money was quite normal, you know, my father did that, my mother was a 
doctor. 
So, she got up very early in the morning and went off for a long, gruelling 
day and came back sometimes with blood on. Her dad would sort of go off 
to work at nine or ten and come back whistling, sometimes slightly drunk, 
having mostly played cricket, using a rolled-up magazine as a bat. So, it 
seemed like that's the kind of thing one might want to do for a living. 
Ayo Sokale: I mean, if you're looking at those, you'd be like, that one looks 
a bit more fun. I like the look of that. 
Victoria Corin Mitchell: I mean, I don't know if I'd have wanted to be a 
writer, otherwise. I feel like I would. I always read lots of books. I always 
wanted to. As you say in little Women, Jo March is somebody who does 
this. She sells stories. She posts off her stories, yeah, if anyone will buy 
them. And that always struck me as a very romantic idea. How much that's 
to do with my father, obviously, I can't know because I can't have another 
version with a different one, but it certainly seemed possible. 
Ayo Sokale: That's actually a really interesting thing that we don't talk 
about. Like, we talk very much today about representation, why 
representation matters. But, what you're talking about is that just seeing it 
made it a thing that was in your head, in one of the things that you could 
action. So as a young person before 14, like the idea of writing, selling it just 
becomes normalised. It's like almost expanding your horizons by just 
someone else in your world doing these things. 
Victoria Corin Mitchell: That's exactly why representation matters. That is 
exactly the point of it. If you don't see anyone in your world, or a bit like 
you, doing the thing you want to do, so to say it's impossible. Obviously, 
people have always broken through being the first, you know, of their, 
whatever it is, gender, hometown, school, ethnic group, whatever is the 
thing. People have always broken through much, much harder. Whereas if 
you see people like you doing things, you know, it's much easier to give it a 
try. 
Ayo Sokale: Well, that's a fantastic start to giving it a try, because, like, you 
know, being a teenager, applying for that starting. Did you write for the 
Telegraph for four years as a teenager? I still can't believe that. Just 
incredible. 
Victoria Corin Mitchell: You see, that was later again. So, at 14, I sold a 
short story to a magazine. You know, there were, m. You know, young 
people's magazines. It's hard to imagine. 
Ayo Sokale: 17, wasn't it? 
Victoria Corin Mitchell: Yeah, it was just 17. And it was, you know, mostly 
pictures of pop stars and problem pages and whatever magazine you get. 
But they did have short stories as well, and, yes, and I managed to sell 
them a couple of short stories. The. The telegraph was about, I can't 
remember, two or three years later, they advertised they had a 
competition, they had a new weekend section, and they decided they 
wanted a teenage columnist and advertised a competition. 
You know, you could send your stuff in to try and create this competition 
to be a teenage columnist, which I did. I wrote them. I think I wrote them a 
column about having never really gone to the countryside. You know, we 
lived in London, and I wrote this thing about the countryside being meant 
to be this idyll, but I don't understand it. Yeah. You know, if I ever go there, I 
have to put on my Sony Walkman to drown out the birdsong. You're 
probably too young. 
Ayo Sokale: I do know Sony Walkman. I tried to search up to actually find 
your article. It was like the terrors of the countryside for an urban child. I 
really wanted to read the whole thing, but I couldn't find it anywhere on 
the Internet anymore. 
Victoria Corin Mitchell: No, well, it probably never was, but this. But they. 
The idea, I think, you know, I won this competition, I had this. But the thing 
is, I think the idea of it was they wanted a teenager to tell all their grownup readers what teenage life was like. So, they wanted someone who blew 
the whistle on, you know, whatever it was, sex and drugs and parties. And 
drink and what everyone was up to. 
And obviously, that's a bit of a paradox because the kind of teenager that's 
having a lot of sex and drugs and parties, he's not also writing a column for 
the Daily Telegraph. I was a bit of a square. I filed my column every week 
on time and the right length, but I really couldn't tell them much about 
what their saucy children were up to. 
Ayo Sokale: I love that. But, like, that's something really interesting about 
you because I love the fact that I feel like you're a bit like me. That's why I 
reached out. Like, you're a lateral thinker, you're quirky, you're cool, and 
you've made kind of been, like, kind of really, really smart, kind of really 
cool. And you see that, like, you become a professional poker player. Like, is 
it true that you're the only one to have won a European title twice? Like, 
that's incredible to me. But where did you go from? First of all, what I can 
see is, like, kind of a journalistic background to, like, this whole amazing 
career in poker where he won, like, millions of pounds. What was the 
threat there? That just seems like 360? 
Victoria Corin Mitchell: Well, that was, I think, by the time I was in my late 
teens. So, I had this life writing this column and everything, but I didn't 
really know any boys. I went to an all-girls school. I was not hugely social, I 
mean, I say, it's kind of you to say that I'm cool. I certainly don't identify as 
cool. 
Ayo Sokale: That is very cool, though. Everyone on the Internet thinks 
you're cool. I saw so much stuff about being like Victoria's every guy's 
crush. Like, you're like, the smart crush. Like, you have your own following 
on Reddit. 
Victoria Corin Mitchell: I mean, I can't really imagine that's true, but thank 
you. But I was never, you know, socially, I really wasn't brilliant. I never 
knew the right thing to say. And I was bad at making friends at school, and 
I certainly didn't know about flirting or, you know, whatever it is, those 
sorts of interactions, terrible. And my brother used to play poker. He's older 
than me, but, but with an, obviously, that was a very boyish thing. And I 
thought initially, well, if I learn to play poker, I'll get to hang out with boys. 
I didn't really know what I wanted to do with them, but I liked them, and I 
didn't really know any or how to speak to them. And the great thing about 
poker, I mean, poker is very inclusive, I mean, it's very hard to know what 
language to use, but there is a certain sort of person in which I include 
myself. Many are only connected contestants and many of them play 
poker who perhaps cope less well with the ordinary day to day social 
interactions and are much more comfortable if something else is going on. 
You know, people like ourselves can get a little bit obsessive about things 
like puzzles and crosswords and riddles because it's quite soothing for the 
brain. You're sort of focused on one thing and any sort of socialising or 
conversation could happen around it. You could be quite happy. So, I 
thought, well, this is, this is very much for me. And these poker games, you 
could sit in them and not say anything if you didn't want to play cards, but 
sort of be near, you know, other people and boys and so on. 
So, I started for that reason, I thought, well, this will be my way of getting 
to know some boys. And actually, just got absolutely bitten by the bug of 
the game. And within a few weeks had figured out, you know, 18 year old 
boys aren't. Yeah, they're not all that interesting, but the game was great. 
Ayo Sokale: That's amazing. So, I wouldn't have thought that. And I've not 
been able to find anyone interested in that, actually. Your love of poker, 
king trying to find time to spend with boys. I love that, I love that. I think 
most teenagers can relate to that, especially if you had an all-girl school 
education. 
Victoria Corin Mitchell: I wrote, ah, years ago, I wrote a sort of memoir 
about my life in poker and how I got into poker, which I've just recorded as 
an audiobook. I don't know why now. I mean, I wrote the book sort of, ten 
years ago, but I've just recorded it and I think at the time it wasn't audible 
or something quite strange for me because I haven't thought about it for 
years either. So, I've just been in a recording studio for four or five days, 
reading out the story of how I got into poker, and I'd forgotten half of it 
myself. 
And it's a bit of a lost world now because poker itself got, I don't know 
about cool, but suddenly mainstream. When I started playing, it was very 
niche. It was a handful of people. I mean, there were probably no more 
than 100 people that played serious poker and would travel and try and 
win money. And so now in this country, and then it just went huge 
because of the Internet, it became a huge mass activity. I think probably 
the person I was in 2015/16, probably wouldn't start playing poker now. 
Ayo Sokale: Do you think so? 
Victoria Corin Mitchell: No, it would seem. Because it would seem too 
brightly lit and mainstream, and I think I would have been frightened to. 
Whereas when I started, it was such a community of people who were 
looking for the shadows in a way. Not my brother's friends. They played, 
you know, just socially, but getting into the way casinos were and private 
games all happened kind of after dark and kind of passwords and ways.
Ayo Sokale: That was just all, stuff like that. 
Victoria Corin Mitchell: People who were there because they didn't have 
anywhere else to be. And that's what I found I could relate to. And it 
doesn't exist so much anymore. 
Ayo Sokale: Yeah, I guess it's changed as most things change. And I know 
that you took a step back when they started having kind of the online 
poker and the gambling, yet, even though, like, this is like a world that 
you've absolutely mastered, like, the top of your craft, but you took a step 
back. So, I'm guessing that's pretty. That same rationale for you, right? 
Victoria Corin Mitchell: Well, no, that was a different thing. See, that was 
sponsorship. So, because I played for years, and I got quite good at poker 
and started winning money and so on. 
Ayo Sokale: European poker tour winner twice, ran quite well. Humble 
one. 
Victoria Corin Mitchell: It was good. And I had a sponsorship, you know, 
like professional football or anything else. You wear the company's name 
on your shirt and. Yeah, and all of that. And I had that with one of the big 
poker companies, which I loved. But then they. I mean, it must be eight or 
nine years ago now. They launched an online casino that was much more 
specifically about. I wasn't comfortable taking money to endorse that, 
which is not to say that I don't gamble. I do. I love casinos. I am healthy. 
Well, not healthy, healthy or unhealthy, depending how you look at it. 
Streak of gambling addiction. 
In me, there is a bit of that in poker. You know, to play a strong poker 
game, you have to be ready to embrace risk. And, privately, on my own 
time, I have had phases where I, you know, gamble very unwisely on table 
games. But broadly, casino games are extremely unwise. The house has a 
huge edge. You can't win in the long run. It's very addictive, and it's ruined 
people's lives. 
So, it's like I'm a sort of inverse hypocrite. I'll do it and enjoy it because I 
absolutely won't take money to recommend it to other people. So, I felt, 
even though they didn't want me to endorse specifically the gambling. I 
thought, the problem is if I carry on travelling around the world with this 
company's name on my shirt, ultimately, I'm driving people towards a 
website which is offering something that I don't want to recommend 
people do. So, I quit that deal. I love that. 
Ayo Sokale: I love that your integrity rings through. And one of the things 
I'm really curious about, obviously, because you mentioned that you 
wanted to get into poker because you want to meet boys, but I also read 
that, you know, there were some challenges in this male dominated space. 
How did you navigate that, having sought that out for that reason? But 
also, I guess, some of the challenges that you mention in some interviews 
I've read, which sound difficult, to be fair. 
Victoria Corin Mitchell: Well, they were, but probably not as difficult as 
other male dominated environments because, as I say, many of the people 
that I played with were sort of socially terrified as well. I think if you're the 
only woman on a trading floor at the stock exchange, you get awful. I 
mean, I don't know because I've never been in those places, but my 
understanding is, from other women's stories, there's huge amounts of 
aggressive sort of sexism and, you know, everything from a hand up the 
skirt to, you know, God knows what in poker, most of the time, you know, 
it's like these people are frightened of spiders and you have to say to them, 
well, the spider is just as terrified of you. 
I would walk into a card room, and it would be all men. And they were like
What does she want? Why is she here? Has she been sent by my wife? 
What? Oh, obviously there was sexism, but not of any kind. That really 
troubled me. There were. Yeah, I was always fine with that stuff over the 
table about, you know, say women are terrible at poker and they can't bluff 
and this and that, you know, poker is a game of disease. Better that people 
underestimate you because you can exploit that for financial gain. 
Ayo Sokale: Oh, yeah. You sound like my favourite kind of villain. Financial 
gain. Oh, I knew we were gonna have a great conversation because, like, 
it's just so cool. I love that. I love that you kind of owned it and you're able 
to kind of navigate that space despite those challenges. And I'm gonna 
keep that in mind every time. They're just as scared thinking about men in 
spaces that maybe are male dominated as kind of spiders. 
Victoria Corin Mitchell: Look, let's be honest, even everybody knows that if 
you're in a situation where, you know, it's at night and it's a strange place. 
And, you know, they can be a funny lot, men, when they get together. And 
there might always be a wrong run, broadly, I felt if I was in a casino 
environment, yeah, I could hold my own with conversational sexism. It was 
the odd thing, I mean, not to go into it, the odd physical thing. I mean, I 
think there's barely a woman alive who hasn't had an experience of, you 
know, there's something, an invasion of her physical space that she'd 
rather wasn't happening. And it's a bit frightening, and there was some of 
that, but broadly speaking, compared to other male dominated worlds, I 
think Pokémon that bad because everyone was so obsessed by the game, 
you know, that's where their minds mostly were. 
Ayo Sokale: Yeah, yeah. But still terrible to hear about physical invasion. I 
don't think anyone ever wants that. But I'm so glad that most of your 
career felt like he could navigate that space well enough. But let's talk 
about, like, only connect. I was watching it the other day. I was watching it 
on BBC Two the other night, and I was like, I think there's a funny joke you 
make. Oh, I was just, like, doing crossword puzzles. While you were solving 
that problem, I was like, I wanted to ask you, did you mean that? Is that a 
joke or were you secretly doing your own puzzles while they're solving it? 
Are you like that super savant genius? Like, I didn't know if you were joking 
or not. I need to find out. 
Victoria Corin Mitchell: I was joking. I mean, I think probably regular 
viewers of Ernie Connect will know. my mom is, you never really know if 
I'm joking or not. All my jokes are private jokes. I mean, there's no studio 
audience. I love it. I just make these jokes directly to the camera. The 
contestants, I mean, sometimes they laugh, but usually they're 
concentrating so hard on the quiz, they're not really listening. And the 
crew's busy and there's no audience, so I'm just talking into absolute 
silence. And it. I mean, it's a bit. It's a bit marmite. 
You know, you get lots of people on the Internet saying, "What is she?" 
What's she blathering on about? What she. I hate it. I can't watch it. I have 
to fast forward through those moments, and other people just get the 
deeper joke. The people I think of as my people, they get the deeper joke. I 
find the concept of a tv quiz slightly ridiculous. I love it, but it's ridiculous. 
And all the trappings that go along with it. You know, there's got to be 
some introductory remarks and some little summary of the people that 
are on the quiz and some closing remarks. And it's also daft. I tend to do it 
in a slightly exaggerated, daft way because I think our viewers are very 
clever and they know that. And if I was just. 
Ayo Sokale: You're kind of like, it's a joke. 
Victoria Corin Mitchell: In a joke kind of thing. So I. No, I was not actually 
simultaneously crossing. I sometimes do other things. I mean, sometimes 
you'll hear a contestant say something like, are they anagrams? And if 
they're not anagrams, I'll, you know, use my pen and paper to try and work 
out what they'd be if they were anagrams. And then I don't notice when 
they've got the answer, but they're very understanding about that. 
Ayo Sokale: I was like, oh, my god, like, she's got to be a super genius. Like, 
because you do all of the most intellectually exciting, stimulating, really 
robust things, right? And do you ever. Well, it's a question I ask lots of 
people. Do you ever feel, like, nervous, apprehensive, or do you just have, 
like, a particular mess? M. I know everyone has, like, a motto they use or 
something that they use to help them do things. Like, what's your way of 
getting around? Like, the challenges of doing things that are, like, really. 
You do really quite big things and really, like, intellectually scary things. 
Victoria Corin Mitchell: Well, but those aren't the things I'm scared of, you 
see, people are scared of things. I'm not frightened of an intellectual 
challenge. I mean, well, you can only fail, you know, I don't have low selfesteem. Intellectually, I think I'm quite bright. I'm probably not as bright as 
some people think I am, but I'm bright enough that that's not an area of 
self-doubt. So, I don't really mind the people who are cleverer than me. If I 
don't understand something, I'm not embarrassed. That's not where my 
worries are. I mean, to this day, socially, you know, walking into a party 
where I don't know people, or even if I do know people, I find that 
terrifying. 
I worry hugely about, you know, am I dressed right? Do I look right? I come 
away from almost every social encounter gripped with self-loathing and 
regret. I mean, it doesn't matter. It could be hello to another parent at the 
school gate. I just. Oh, why did I say that? And why didn't I say that? All of 
that, those sorts of encounters I find terrifying. Somebody saying, you 
know, here's a spelling test against the clock that doesn't hold fear for me. 
You know, I liked exams at school for some people with anxiety, dreams 
and terrors, not me. That was, that was comfortable. That was. Everybody 
had to be quiet so I couldn't say the wrong thing. 
Ayo Sokale: Ah, I see. That makes lots of sense. Do you know what? That 
makes lots of sense, because, you know, when I look at the things you've 
done, the things that kind of, like in the moment, kind of live audience, 
eight out of ten cats, things that you have to be opinionated, like funny, 
witty, like, on the ball, like, that's clearly, like your wheelhouse. Like, that's 
just easy for you. But then it's all the other stuff. So, it's about, I guess, 
you've leaned into the things that you're great at. That's brilliant. So, one of 
the things I like to do on this series is ask people to share, like, three 
wisdoms that they would want to share with everyone that they think that 
would help them, they've learned in their journey so far. What would be 
the things that you would share? Three wisdoms. 
Victoria Corin Mitchell: Oh, my goodness. Three pieces of wisdom. I mean, 
I'm not huge on giving advice because that's to suggest that I know what 
I'm talking about, which I don't really. 
Ayo Sokale: I'm sure you do. 
Victoria Corin Mitchell: That's a tricky one on this. But, I mean, I would say 
with poker advice, people ask me for that a lot. And with poker, my advice 
would be, there's a lot less bluffing in the game than you'd think from TV. 
So, you're better off having the best hand and don't play for sums of 
money that are too affordable or not affordable enough. If you play poker 
for money you can't afford, you're frightened, and you won't play properly. 
And if you play for money, you don't care about, you won't care enough 
and you won't play properly. 
So, play for the right money and with the right people, and don't bluff as 
much as you think you ought to in real life. I mean, if I was great at 
knowing how to navigate real life, I wouldn't play so much poker. But I 
suppose somewhere in the conversation we've had, intellectually, I 
understand, or I have to assume most people are terrified. Not all. Some 
people, bizarrely, have just huge amounts of self-confidence and social 
confidence. They think what they're doing is right, and I, never understand 
those people, most people think are plagued with terror and self-doubt, 
and they're not really thinking about what you're doing. And the best you 
can do is sort of smile and be nice and ask about other people's problems 
because they're not really focused on yours. But even insofar as I give that 
advice, it's like diving. I can tell somebody how to dive into a swimming 
pool, but I can't do it. 
Ayo Sokale: So, you have to take your own advice as well. In this, 
everyone's scared, too. 
Victoria Corin Mitchell: Yes, I'm a long way into life without having 
managed to take that advice. But I tell myself that. 
Ayo Sokale: Oh, I don't know, I think you must be winning to some degree. 
Life that works for you. You know, you've only been here for eight years. 
You have all these amazing columns. Like, people love you, so, you know, 
you've done life well, I think, and that's one of the key things I really love 
when I speak to people who are, like, eclectic and kind of different, is that 
when they built a life that they're thriving in, like, and I love to see people, 
like, living in that way. It's such a good, right representation of knowing 
that even if you are, you do, like, for me, I'm autistic, so I do have, like, 
special interests that are very specific that you'll find your way to, like, 
thrive in a world that's a little bit different. 
Victoria Corin Mitchell: Well, that's why you always have to believe in what 
you're doing, because other people won't necessarily, especially in the 
world of the Internet. I mean, I probably get it more than most because I'm 
on tv. But everybody, you get this sort of criticism of people, they come in, 
they want to tell you what's wrong with you in the rudest way, and that's 
always going to happen. You know, you can't assume that people will 
respect who you are or what you do or what you stand for. So, you have to, 
you know, if you write something, what matters is that you believe it's 
good and that your conscience is clear, and you all think you're doing the 
right thing because chances are other people won't. So, it's no good, you 
know, it's no good judging yourself in the court of public opinion. 
Ayo Sokale: Oh, I love that. That's got to be the third wisdom as well. Like, 
don't judge yourself in the court of public opinion. Play the right sum. So, I 
guess the risk has got to be right. Can't be too little that you don't care. 
can't be too big that your kind of like frozen. And you've got to remember 
everyone's scared, too. We're just trying to figure it out. Oh, that sounds 
like some empowering and freeing ways of thinking. It's brilliant. Thank 
you so much. I'm so glad we got to do this conversation. It's been so 
brilliant. 
Victoria Corin Mitchell: No, it's been lovely to talk to you. 
Ayo Sokale: Thank you. Is there anything else that you'd like to share, like, 
if you had one thought, or do you want to. Was your audible coming out?
Victoria Corin Mitchell: I think you did a brilliant job of having a half, hour 
conversation. Seemed to cover a lot and, you know, reach a neat 
conclusion. I think that's great. 
Ayo Sokale: Thank you. Do you want to talk about your memoir? Because I 
know that you said you were audio booking For Richer, For Poorer. When 
is it coming? 
Victoria Corin Mitchell: No. Well, it was. Just came out last week. I mean, 
perfect. 
Ayo Sokale: So, everyone can see it now. Amazing. 
Victoria Corin Mitchell: Yes. if you want to hear more of my droning voice 
talking about poker, it's in Audible with the memoir. 
Ayo Sokale: I'm going to check it out. I'm looking forward to that. And it's 
not draining at all. And I love an audible when I go for my little 5k walks in 
the morning, so that will be lovely. Thank you. 
Victoria Corin Mitchell: Not at all