Ryan Murphy Is The Secret Traitor (w/ Jacob Fisher)

Sam and Jacob are thriving in the 42 degree heat and not at all melting. The dolls chat Pluribus, Ryan Murphy’s chaotic new series The Beauty and deep dive on who the secret traitor on The Traitors UK could be! Then the gerls chat Drag Race Season 18 which is off to a refreshingly good start! Welcome to 2026. New year, same cringe. 

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SPEAKER_03 0:00

This podcast was produced on the land of the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin Nation.

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Welcome to Australia!

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Someone who is such a connoisseur of reality television. The content is hideous.

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So sorry about this. Oh my god.

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Testing, testing. Testing. Mic check.

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Mic check. One, two, three, three, four, seven. Hey, doll. Six nine. That'll do.

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Happy New Year, Diva.

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Happy New Year. What a year it's been so far. Hello. Day seven.

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2026. You've already done so. No, it's just so hot today. Oh my god. It's fucked. So yes, we're coming to you live from 41, 42, 2023. 43.

SPEAKER_01 0:48

Oh, 43.

SPEAKER_03 0:49

Yeah, that's what it said on my phone. That's what seven be saying. Yeah. Um, whilst also denying climate change. Uh it is 43 degrees, so we are melting our way through the start of the year. But loving it. But living and loving. I'm dead, but loving it. Um also, so last night when we were wandering the streets of the CBD. Yes. And there was a huge film production going on. Yeah. Sorry, I had to know what it was. So I looked it up, and it is Empire City. But Gerard Butler. Yeah, Gerard Butler. It's like a thriller or something like that.

SPEAKER_01 1:29

Yeah, where he plays a fireman. He plays a fireman. Oh wow.

SPEAKER_03 1:33

But um, because I love it. So throughout summer, I have been noticing NYPD vehicles. Vehicles. There's like taxis. Melbourne CVD. And I'm like, uh, excuse me. So checks out. They are filming a New York set film here in Melbourne with bisexual king Gerard Butler, who I'm devastated. I haven't actually got a lot of time.

SPEAKER_01 1:58

Yeah, I wonder where he's I wonder where he's staying. Can we fucking the Hyatt stuff? Can we find the Hyatt? All the Ritz.

SPEAKER_03 2:05

I reckon he's full park Hyatt. Yeah. You know, close to a lot of the celebrated if he needs to. Oh yeah. We'll see him there. Spit and polish. Yeah. Come to Mooning. Come to mooning, Gerard. If I see him, I will drop to my knees.

SPEAKER_01 2:24

He's so gorgeous. Like, I can't. I did walk past while they were they were actually like filming like um a bit, and I was like, could see the little uh monitors in their little video village from the side of the street. Pop your head in. And I like had a look, and then I just could I was like looking at the I was trying to see like who it was, and I could just see like my half my grinder feed like walking as extras down up and down the and I was like oh positioning for the role of bottom for Girard. Yeah, it was just like busy street walking that they were capturing, but it's like when who's the person?

SPEAKER_03 3:00

That's always here. Oh, what's his name? There's Bob Daddy. Wait, what? The French one. No, not the French one. The American Mum with the kind of busted face with the huge cock. Remember, he does this, he comes here all the time and does the live sex shows. Oh and there was that one time Rogan. No, Logan, Rogan? Anyway, whatever. Yeah. He was here once and we were like backstage with everyone. All the bottoms. All the bottoms of Melbourne were there. Like line prepping, douching, backstage, and they were all so nervous because they were about to get like railed by like impaled. Impaled by the in a club in in front of all of their peers. And it's like, girl, you better be fucking nervous. You better be ready. You better be ready. How embarrassing the nerves. I can't even imagine. Oh my god. But kind of like that, um, lining up around the block for your moment with Daddy Gerard. Yeah. Perhaps. Um, but yeah, I was like, what the fuck are they filming out there? I did love they were they were like blocking off all the signage. Like chemist warehouse became like my chemist, or like chemicals. I didn't notice that. And then like they were like blocking off all the signs that were gonna be in shit. They're filming there again today. They're all there.

SPEAKER_01 4:20

In this fucking head. Yeah, I know.

unknown 4:22

Fuck.

SPEAKER_01 4:23

There's like 50 crew. Fuck. They're all struggling.

SPEAKER_03 4:27

Well, thoughts and prayers to them. Um we need to talk about pluribus. Pluribus.

SPEAKER_01 4:34

What a fucking triumph. Obsessed with it. I was glued to it every second of the entire thing. Yeah. And reframe. I've been asking um everyone what their pluribus situation is. Oh yeah. And everyone has like so many different ones. What's yours? But I think I would either first off, I would just like ask all of the like big political questions like is the moon landing real? All of that, all of that other dumb stuff that I'm like, I want to know.

SPEAKER_03 5:02

It would go into a full conspiracy.

SPEAKER_01 5:04

Yeah, I'd be go through all the I'd list all the conspiracies and be like, tell me, give me the info. But fantasy-wise, of like situations I'd get them to do would be like, I don't know, if Lady Gaga was if the individual who was Lady Gaga was still if she was still with us. If she was still still alive.

SPEAKER_03 5:20

Um that would be your chaperone. Is there somebody that resembles Ms. Ms. Stephanie? And she would rock up.

SPEAKER_01 5:28

Yeah, I would get her to do all of her tours again, maybe create new music for me. Like they're all they're a giant creative mind, right? Are they like can they be creative?

SPEAKER_03 5:38

Yeah, no one ever asked them to like yeah, create. Yeah. Carol should have been like, hey, you know, yeah, book for me or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 5:47

Do like babies obviously would have been born in this universe. So I so I was thinking about this too.

SPEAKER_03 5:52

They and they didn't address it. Yeah. Which I would love them to circle back on this in season two. Do like two week olds are they able to do this? I'm assuming everyone that was like infected would also then pass that down to the child. But there would have been so many people that were already pregnant.

SPEAKER_01 6:10

But as soon as that baby would be born, they would like automatically infect them with it. True, and they would have all the knowledge of the world. I don't know if I want to I don't know if I want to see a baby talking in future seasons. Oh true. That would be kind of weird.

SPEAKER_03 6:25

I don't know how I don't think they would do anything that silly. Yeah. Because they want to keep you old mate, what's his name? Vince Gilligan. Yeah. He likes to keep you feeling everything's very bleak with him. That would be too fantastical. Yeah, it would be whimsy. It'd be too do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 6:41

Like it would have to be It'd be a bit camp. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 6:44

I think I reckon I don't know how I would respond. I'd like to think that I'd go full Carol and like have some balls, but let's be real, I'd be the fucking guy on Air Force One with shit.

SPEAKER_01 6:57

Totally. I'd be like, there's the amount of scenarios I would be like, but I w one, I wouldn't be living in my apartment in Richmond anymore. I'd I don't even know where I'd go. I'd be in different places every two days.

SPEAKER_03 7:08

I'd be getting the names of those boys from Heated Rivalry. So if those are still alive, get them on the ice and we'd recreate the whole thing. But this time, no fucking cutting away. Just as they're about to go pan. Yeah, no cut. Oh, imagine!

SPEAKER_01 7:28

No hiding the peen.

SPEAKER_03 7:29

You can tell anyone what and everyone what to do. Like, are you joking? Yeah. This appeals to my personality a lot.

SPEAKER_01 7:36

Yeah, I it's like mind-boggling how many different things I have thought about doing, but um, it's all a fantasy in the end.

SPEAKER_03 7:45

But I love that one bitch who because there's what, like 13 of them that are still, you know, with their autonomous minds, and that one bitch that like hates Carol, and like every and then in that later episode where like they do the freak out thing because of old mate from Paraguay. And then she calls. And then she calls and she's like, No, bitch, it wasn't me this time. I love her so much, but she's delusional, like just living with people that look like her family that it's like aren't her family. I'm like, I don't know about that. Yeah, that's like that's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 8:14

I don't think I relate to any of the people that are still like normal normal. Um, they're all like such extremes to all of the things. True. I would be like a mix of all of them, I guess.

SPEAKER_03 8:25

Yeah, yeah. And that's what's such a genius show because yeah, you can see your reaction to this in everyone a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 8:33

Like, I don't think I would be like, I think I would be accepting the help and just getting flown to Albuquerque. I don't think I would have like gone through that big space of jungle between Panama and Columbia.

SPEAKER_03 8:45

Watch a show right now. You were like, What the fuck are these people talking about? Yeah, but also watch it so good. And also watch it, put your phone in another room. I had a friend, a friend, mutual friend of ours, who said they didn't like it, the show. Yeah, I've had a few people say it's too slow. And I was like, Diva, were you on your phone during the show? And they were like, Well, yes, I was. And I was like, Well, there's your first mistake. Yeah, it's not a scroll show, it's it's like back in the before times when they made things for one screen.

SPEAKER_01 9:13

It's like it's in that universe, it's cinema. Yeah, absolutely. It's like high-end, it's great.

SPEAKER_03 9:21

Uh speaking of cinema, we need to fucking touch down on Traders UK.

SPEAKER_01 9:27

Traders UK Week one. I'm obsessed.

SPEAKER_03 9:30

Who the fuck is the secret trader? Who is it? It's the question on everyone's lips. And we get it a day earlier this week. And it's out tomorrow, so I feel like this whole conversation we're about to have is hilarious because I feel like whoever's listening to this right now will then know. Most likely knows. Yeah. And they'll be like strap yourselves in and enjoy us getting it very wrong. Very yeah, because we probably will. So if you haven't been watching Traders UK, they've just had their first week, three apps dropped, and they've had two banishments, two murders. Sure. And I love the twist. New twist, play along at home. We don't know who the secret trader is. So basically the secret trader picks the short list for the regular old traders who are now middle management. Yeah. Thanks to old mate Hugo. Who I gotta say, Hugo grew on me.

SPEAKER_01 10:28

Yeah, he was really bad at doing the the thing, but in unquieting was a good sport. He was especially he was really because he was like, oh, really nice to bat up. Yeah, and I was like, okay. How awkward that they make them do that together now. It's kind of that was kind of great.

SPEAKER_03 10:46

But yeah, so basically, it's a mess. I'm living for just the absolute insanity online.

SPEAKER_02 10:54

Like people are and we're gonna we're about to go through it, but this one this one fucking psychopath on Reddit has given us this full this full dossier, like detective style, fucking Nancy Drew, yeah, we is the secret trader, full player analysis.

SPEAKER_03 11:17

Uh but before we get into that, loving the season so far, Claudia's back.

SPEAKER_01 11:22

As when the secret trader was announced, like I I think like most people thought that I was gonna be a secret trader, and then I was because she was like talking directly to the camera, and I was like, oh my god, and then I had to think like 20 seconds later, I was like, no, wait, this was few months ago, this isn't live. Do you think it was gonna be like brother situation? Yeah, my am I gonna be voting? Are we voting? And I was like, no, this and I was like, I'm such an idiot, but no, no, I love that.

SPEAKER_03 11:49

Just next season, we should banish, or we should I don't know, whatever. I'm into it. Yeah, that would be fun. Claudia is in full fucking form this season, like the bit where she um was like goading the straight boys when they had to like simulate sex acts in that task, like the milking of the house. Oh, yeah. She was like, She's like, oh yeah, boys. Yeah, get it. Varaz is really enjoying milking Jack. She loves doing this show. Um I'm obsessed with her, like it is so good. Never has someone like made the show. Because, like, normally, you know, they get a host for these things, blah blah blah blah blah. They do a good job, they throw in a few camp lines. She's like made this show good, I think.

SPEAKER_01 12:37

Apparently, like what I've seen online is she's like so invested in it. She's like, whenever she's not in the castle, she's constantly in the back production watching like what they're all talking about as it's happening. She's not just like sitting in her trailer waiting for when she's needed, like, she's really invested in every part.

SPEAKER_03 12:57

Was it Harry, the like best trader of all time, that guy? Season two, when he won and she like when she grabbed those like two champagne flutes and was like, Harry, let's get out of here. Like, I literally was like, I was like, that's his life, like they're literally gonna get onto a helicopter and like and fly away. Snog. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:19

Um she's she's so happy that he made like great TV for her for that season. That was really good that season. That ending was like amazing.

SPEAKER_03 13:29

She was on one of the uncloaked episodes, that poor bitch. Yeah. And I like that she's kind of bounced back and like, yeah, because for a while there, I was like, ooh. Yeah, it'd be hard to like forgive. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:39

And but not forgiveness.

SPEAKER_03 13:41

It's a show. Yeah. Remember, it's a show. Uh, how do you feel about let's talk about our three traitors that we know of first? So, Steven, Steven Zara wearing gay.

SPEAKER_01 13:52

Yes. Um, I don't think he's gonna last very long.

SPEAKER_03 13:56

No. Are you dying that everyone is suggesting that he is like the most well-dressed person that's ever existed? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:05

It literally looks like it's all from Zara.

SPEAKER_03 14:07

Yeah, or like throw in a few little op shop, you know, retro lapel. But I guess pieces.

SPEAKER_01 14:15

Maybe he's the best out of the group, and that's just like it's very telling of the rest of the group.

SPEAKER_03 14:21

It's a group of straight people being like, oh, he's a little bit dandy, isn't he? I'm like, okay. Oh, that's like I see what's going on.

SPEAKER_01 14:27

It's like tailored better than anything else anyone else is wearing, I guess. So they're like, You're so well dressed.

SPEAKER_03 14:32

I don't like these cuts though, like they all finish like here.

SPEAKER_01 14:35

Yeah, I'm like just below these nipples.

SPEAKER_03 14:36

It's like before the show he took all of his wardrobe to a tailor and was like, Can you crop it all just like here?

SPEAKER_01 14:43

But he's worn the same thing twice, just in two different colours. That blue jacket he wore again, but in a different colour. It was the exact same cut, everything. I was like, if you write that on Reddit, you would get fucking devoured.

SPEAKER_03 14:56

And I would be like, Steven is a fashion. How dare you?

SPEAKER_01 15:02

Um, I don't yeah, I'm enjoying him freaking out. He's like he freaks out a lot. Yeah, he's a little cute.

SPEAKER_03 15:09

I think good casting. I like his own.

SPEAKER_01 15:11

But I I think he's gonna get he's gonna get caught.

SPEAKER_03 15:14

Yeah, yeah. He's too he looks real nervous. Um, Rachel is queen.

SPEAKER_01 15:20

She's evil, but in the best way. Like she's works in comms.

SPEAKER_03 15:24

When she said like head of communications, I was like, say less. Um she's in it. She's I know this woman.

SPEAKER_01 15:30

She's locked into that role.

SPEAKER_03 15:32

She's doing good. Um, those butterfly earrings, though, they need to go in the bin.

SPEAKER_01 15:37

Oh, I haven't paid attention. How can you babe? They're like Yeah, they're right. Okay. Like most of the time.

SPEAKER_03 15:43

Now it won't be next ep, you'll be like, Oh, like, oh no.

SPEAKER_01 15:46

Is she wearing them every every episode?

SPEAKER_03 15:48

This is now a fashion review of the traitors. Um, yeah, she she's great. She's the only one that knows what she's doing.

SPEAKER_01 15:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 15:57

She was born to be Steven.

SPEAKER_01 15:59

Steven fucked up already with that whole Ross thing in the room and like he had to backtrack like after maybe maybe that will like cause him to pull his head in a bit. Can I just say I'm so in love with Ross? Yeah. He's just he's gorgeous. Gorgeous man. Those pictures of him on vacation. Um stunning. Well, speaking of pictures, they need to get him to take his shirt off on the show.

SPEAKER_03 16:23

They do. But uh pictures of him have emerged with uh another cast member. I Ms. Ellie. Ellie. I don't know if that was before or after the show though, right? But I'm assuming it's before because everyone's losing their mind.

SPEAKER_01 16:36

Yeah, I don't I don't know how long ago they filmed it.

SPEAKER_03 16:39

Well, let's think, but then so get this. And look, if you're listening to this from the future and you know this now, please let us know. But everyone is now thinking that like perhaps everyone there has a relationship?

SPEAKER_01 16:56

Yes, with the family tree at the front. With the family tree, because the family tree is like a clue foreshadowing. But then there's what uh Faraz and Yeah Naz, isn't it? Yeah. The two names and cast members.

SPEAKER_02 17:09

Yeah, like that would be really unfortunate if people were related, but they could be.

SPEAKER_01 17:13

Yeah, I mean, looking at their photos, they do have a similar facial shape. Cancelled. No, you're absolutely right.

SPEAKER_03 17:23

No, I'm not going No, and it's the same, there's all these there's all these gays that look the same as well, and I'm like, surely two of them are fucking surely two of these guys are like boyfriend twins.

SPEAKER_01 17:33

It was Ellie and Fiona was another suggestion that I saw. But then Fiona and Amanda? No. No, Fiona. Oh, is Fiona the old lady? Yes. This Welsh lady.

SPEAKER_03 17:43

Yeah. Yeah, Welsh Lady is stunning. I love her.

SPEAKER_01 17:47

Because they kind of have a similar one. They just Harriet?

SPEAKER_03 17:52

I don't know. Oh my god, imagine every it's like siblings season. Well, we know about how they're how they're all connected. That's kind of crazy. Mother daughter. Yeah. So interesting that they would tell us that. Oh, but they had to tell us that because she went.

SPEAKER_01 18:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 18:09

They've all fucking got a partner.

SPEAKER_01 18:11

Yeah, I think they're like keeping it secret, so every episode's like a bombshell. Could be. Or maybe there's just a couple more. I think it'd be hard to find like all of them as pairs.

SPEAKER_02 18:24

Is it an even number?

SPEAKER_03 18:27

Yeah, I'm not sure. I don't fucking know. Uh alright, secret trader. Should we go through this unhinged analysis? So there's one who there's 13 people that it could be. Uh Adam, Amanda, Ellie, Theraz, Fiona, Harriet, Jack, Jade, Jesse, Matt, who we'll talk about. Roxy, Ross, and Sam. Could all be. They all could be. Who before we get into it, who's who do you think it is?

SPEAKER_01 18:59

I think it's Amanda.

SPEAKER_03 19:01

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 19:02

Or or Ellie. Amanda is the detective. The detective, yeah. Yeah. I think it's a good thing. Because I think I think some of the foreshadowing that they were doing was too obvious in the edit. I feel like that was just too obvious to put in that.

SPEAKER_03 19:17

There's been a few things that have been odd. Because she's the one who like said in a confessional, like something about she were using the side. Which I missed, but like it's been doing the rounds. Yeah. Is that too obvious? Or were they did they leave it in as a little slip? I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 19:33

I think it's too I think it's a misguid. Yeah. I think they're trying to misguide us. So it is a shock. It wouldn't be as fun if it was Ellie because we think it is, maybe.

SPEAKER_03 19:46

Okay. The case for Adam Uh here says that uh he's had very little screen time.

SPEAKER_01 19:54

I love his ac I love his accent by the way. It's so funny. Yeah, yeah, it's it makes me laugh.

SPEAKER_03 19:58

All the accents on all on this show, I'm just always like, what the fuck? It's so good. Um he has not been on the screen very much. I don't know, I just don't think it's him for story. As if they're gonna had enough air time. I think we can cancel him out. Alright, Amanda, who you think it is. Yeah. Yeah. She's apparently referred to herself as like a Jekyll and Hyde personality. Which that could m mean something. Um First Breakfast, all the Shield players, there is a traitor in the room. I don't know. She's I think hard. Yeah. But she didn't know.

SPEAKER_01 20:44

But she didn't she didn't vote for Hugo, and she's and the things that she's brought up about um uh the young girl's like manner changing, I think was like kind of silly for her to bring up if she was a tech detective. I think she's just bringing that up to def to deflect which is smart, make her seem like a faithful. Yeah, right. Because if you go hard at the beginning as a trader, then everyone thinks you're a faithful.

SPEAKER_03 21:08

Also, if it's the first time they're doing this twist, I can think production would want to pick someone that they know is up for the task. Yeah, because you've got to do a lot of pretending. Yeah. Because this is the crazy thing, is like not only are they acting to like everyone there, they're acting to us. So like I'm assuming they're shooting like two confess two types of confessional, you know, one for us now and one for us later when we found out. Yeah, they'll have to go back. I'm excited about this supercut they're gonna do that I'm assuming they're gonna do when we find out who it is.

SPEAKER_01 21:43

It'll be this for next episode, we'll find out. It'll be the first part of the episode. You've convinced me. I think it could be Amanda big time. Or if they edit the episode that we have to wait until breakfast and wait after breakfast to go back to the turret, I'm gonna be so mad. But they're gonna they'll probably do that now that I'm thinking of it.

SPEAKER_03 22:04

Uh Ellie uh shares guilt for placing coffin in Nettie's grave. I love these things people have picked up. So she's the one that said um the word secret trader.

SPEAKER_01 22:21

Yeah. Some type of secret trader.

SPEAKER_03 22:24

Yeah. I know. And she's a psychologist. So again, it would be a good skill set to get away with it.

SPEAKER_01 22:34

She could she would know she would read people like so differently compared to everyone else.

SPEAKER_03 22:39

Everyone's like decided it's a woman. True. Because of like the feminine handwriting. The dainty little handwriting. Well just it makes it more e it makes it more even, right?

SPEAKER_01 22:49

Like two two men, two women.

SPEAKER_03 22:51

For the traders, I guess so.

SPEAKER_01 22:54

Yeah. Not to be don't want to be sexist. Was it the US one that had all women? One at the first season. Is that the one, Suri one?

SPEAKER_03 23:05

Well, maybe. Uh honestly. I forget. Yeah, it was really boring that season. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 23:15

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 23:16

You know me. As soon as the show's finished, I'm like, that never. Oh yeah, it's like left my brain. I wasn't there. Uh Faraz. Who's a little cutie?

SPEAKER_01 23:27

He is.

SPEAKER_03 23:28

He um But I no, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 23:33

I don't think so.

SPEAKER_03 23:36

This person's saying he's got similar vibes to Harry Season 2. I'm like, does he? What because he's charming and stuff.

SPEAKER_01 23:41

Because he's a young man.

SPEAKER_03 23:42

I think I no and oh he's playing a similar game though, I guess. Like he's kind of yeah. He's like solidified his um faithfulness early with the group.

SPEAKER_01 23:54

Yeah. It's hard to tell because these first few episodes, they obviously, these c the conversations at the round table obviously would have gone way longer and they would have brought up way more names than we actually see in the edit.

SPEAKER_03 24:08

He's also got way too much too little screen time, I think. I feel like it's gonna be someone It has to be someone with screen time. They want the moment to be like, whoa, I can't believe it's blah blah blah. Not who the fuck is that?

SPEAKER_01 24:20

Yeah. You know? If it was and I I think you that would be the reaction if it was him. It would be who is he's been on screen for five seconds.

SPEAKER_03 24:28

He had that one bit where he like milked Jack like a cow.

SPEAKER_01 24:30

Yeah. And he's had maybe like one thinking. He's had like one confessional.

SPEAKER_03 24:35

Yeah. Truly. Uh alright, Fiona.

SPEAKER_01 24:38

I would love it if it was her.

SPEAKER_03 24:40

Same.

SPEAKER_01 24:41

She's a babe.

SPEAKER_03 24:41

Actually, now I'm convincing myself that because of course they want to do the reveal. It's like, not that little old Welsh lady that's so lovely. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:51

They're gonna want that. But I think it might be obvious. I think she's I think she if I was a yeah, if the f I it looks too obvious from the faithful point of view. I don't know. She's playing sending it a character. She's playing it like Amanda did in season one, where she was just like, I'm the silly old lady.

SPEAKER_03 25:11

She is doing that, and then she's even like spoken about doing that, which is why I'm like, Yeah. Well, you're thinking about that. So I don't know. Is she the one? Was she also a barrister?

SPEAKER_01 25:23

Oh no, that's no, that's Harriet.

SPEAKER_03 25:26

That's Harriet, the secret barrister. That's right, who I love that. She's like cool story, uh, Hugo.

SPEAKER_01 25:32

But she also she could be the traitor because she said she called herself the secret barrister, so she could also be the secret.

SPEAKER_03 25:40

Yeah. On a show about keeping secrets. Yeah, I don't know. Uh Fiona would be a good one. Um Harriet Yeah. Keeping her profession I I don't know. Could could be another good reveal.

SPEAKER_01 26:00

Yeah, I don't think I don't think it is her though, because she went so hard to get Hugo out, and that's kind of pretty shit. I don't think it's Jack.

SPEAKER_03 26:10

She pushed Jack, is very fucking hot though, I must say.

SPEAKER_01 26:15

I don't I'm not a fan of the hair, but he is.

SPEAKER_03 26:18

The hair is really annoying.

SPEAKER_01 26:21

It's really um British.

SPEAKER_03 26:23

Yes, it's like ladies. The lad curl. So like curl and tease to the front. But I do like the little salt and pepper. Yeah. And the little glasses.

SPEAKER_01 26:32

He is a cute, he is a cutie, he has a nice face, gorgeous, nice eyes.

SPEAKER_03 26:36

Except I did go and like investigate his um Instagram and it was it was giving lad in a way that wasn't a horny. No, not horny, like PT. How can you be a PT but like not be horny? I don't know. I was I was shook. Yeah, I don't think they've got anything on him.

SPEAKER_01 26:57

So he's yeah, so he's he's not queer baiting.

SPEAKER_03 27:00

I don't think he'd be bright enough to pull it off. Is that really rude to say?

SPEAKER_01 27:04

No, I don't think so.

SPEAKER_04 27:06

Bitch, in 2026, what's going on?

SPEAKER_03 27:09

Jade. Oh, I would love it if it's Jade because she's kind of there, but not like she doesn't have much screen time, but I'm she's gorgeous.

SPEAKER_01 27:19

She's so hot, yeah. Like, and she seems is she really tall? Is she? I don't know. She's like the gamer girl, yeah. She's always like her her shoulders are just above everyone else's, so I think she must be really tall. She's hot.

SPEAKER_03 27:31

Her and Jessie are like this little hot girl, like specky girl duo. And I'm so here for it.

SPEAKER_01 27:39

I don't think she's the trader though. The secret trader. No. Maybe, but she's just not getting enough screen time. I feel like it has to be someone with screen time.

SPEAKER_03 27:50

I would love it if it's Jessie. Jessie's the one with the stammer, and I love it. I love her as a shirt. And she's so so fucking cute. But I love she's got red hair, so I'm like, that could be the clue. It's like red cloak, red hair, but also amazing because no one will ever suspect her. No, they won't. So genius. Because they want to feel bad.

SPEAKER_01 28:12

And like even if she even if she fucks up with something like her stutter can just take the blame.

SPEAKER_03 28:20

This show is literally a fucking training module for like unconscious bias, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 28:25

Yes. Like I've been seeing, I've been seeing a lot of um TikToks or Instagram reels or whatever about um uh how like people of colour always get accused and everything in the first few episodes. It's always like always people.

SPEAKER_03 28:42

And we've it's always like, oh crafty little lady, yeah, making things up over there. A hundred percent. It's yeah, that's it's honestly how Harry season two won. Because he was like, I'm such a cutie. Yeah. And then he was like a a veteran, right? Yeah. So of course they were all just like, well, we're not gonna fuck with that.

SPEAKER_01 29:03

Save the queen or whatever. She served on the treadmills.

SPEAKER_02 29:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:08

No, it's very all of that.

SPEAKER_01 29:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:11

The um It's a social experiment. Yeah, I don't think it's Jesse, but I would fucking if they made oh I would die if it's Jessie.

SPEAKER_01 29:24

I want to like see her face tell the I want to see the confessional. I'm what I can picture it now.

SPEAKER_03 29:30

Alright, let's talk about sexy little Matty and his butt.

SPEAKER_01 29:34

I saw his Instagram and I just like eye rolled at every post. So dumb. It's so kind of cr it's this cringe.

SPEAKER_03 29:41

We love Matthew, but he so he has this like art project where it's like him in the wild, like doing headstands naked. And it's like, girl. I didn't see that.

SPEAKER_01 29:53

Oh is it naked from what? Just like his butt?

SPEAKER_03 29:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:56

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_03 29:57

But doing a headstand, but in like the wilderness in like the Scottish Highlands or something? Yeah, yeah. And they're like beautiful photos, and he's got a hot little butt. So I'm into it. But also it's like okay. What are we doing here? Yeah. He's got a big following. I can see why they put him on the show. Yeah, he is got he's cook he's gorgeous. Cute little tushy. Uh do you think it could be him?

SPEAKER_01 30:22

No. I really just don't think it's a man.

SPEAKER_03 30:27

Okay. But maybe they're controlling us. Not even a they can. Not even a hot gay.

SPEAKER_01 30:34

Two gay traitors?

SPEAKER_02 30:37

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 30:37

Steven is gay, right?

SPEAKER_02 30:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:40

Girls.

SPEAKER_01 30:41

Yeah. I mean they don't say it in the show. So like it's not.

SPEAKER_03 30:45

But I was like, he yes. He did say it when he said um to someone, I'm from the Isle of Bloopity Bloop, but I live in London now. I was like, yes, you do, darling. Yes you do.

SPEAKER_01 30:59

I did see a I did see a um a reel of him at like Glastonbury or something. And taking loads. Um Olivia Rodrigo singing her song Traitor. And then the lyrics like, You're just a traitor, and he like turns around to the camera and like winks. And I was like, Oh my god, that's so cool. And he's posted that ages ago, ages and ages ago.

SPEAKER_03 31:24

Too much content. Calm down, girl. I was like, oh my god. Yeah, no, I'd be I'd be horny for a Maddie secret trader. He would love that because then he's the centre of attention. Whoever this is, they are uh instantly the breakout star of the show. That's the kind of weird part of it.

SPEAKER_01 31:44

Totally. They're just they're who you're gonna remember.

SPEAKER_03 31:47

They're also gonna huge target from the other traders, don't you?

SPEAKER_01 31:53

Well, they've already made their little packs.

SPEAKER_03 31:55

Yeah, uh, they get that's what I'm interested to see. They're gonna welcome them in Rachel.

SPEAKER_01 31:59

Is like she's like she wants to get rid of that the other person. She's like, we don't need that other person, we don't need that. And Rachel and Steven have already done their little if you and me babe against the world pact. But if it is Matt, then the gays are the gays will unite and get rid of them. Get rid of her.

SPEAKER_03 32:18

It is Matt, and then we find out everyone's got a partner in the game and Stephen and Matt are oh they're partners girlies, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:28

Nah, that won't happen.

SPEAKER_03 32:29

But anyway. Ross. It can't actually it totally could be.

SPEAKER_01 32:36

It could be thinking it's everyone. But I don't think so. He's just had too much like screen. Way too much screen time that he has all of the heat that's come to him, he hasn't like wanted it, and it's been like he's been so close to being um uh yeah eliminated at the round table.

SPEAKER_03 32:55

But maybe that's why he was even more flustered by the netty thing. Which firstly, girl, how fucking annoyed would you be? You rock up on this show. Someone's like, ah, we know you. And you could see it in his face. He's like, he was like fuck the fuck up, bitch. Shut up. Sure, we met like once. Imagine if he was like, sorry, who are you? That would be great.

SPEAKER_01 33:19

Do I know you? I don't think I remember you. Yeah, I I guess that might have been a better way to do it. Be like, forget.

SPEAKER_03 33:27

Nah, that would have been a spec a true spectacle. But I love him being like at the round table. Like, to be honest, I was actually like fucked off by that.

SPEAKER_01 33:35

I think actually, now that I'm thinking about it again, Ross and Ellie have been talking by themselves in the first couple episodes a lot, so they probably are a thing.

SPEAKER_03 33:47

Yeah, I think they're a thing. I'm into it. Uh Roxy was who I thought it was initially. Roxy is Judy's daughter. Oh yes. So I thought oh, they've given it.

SPEAKER_01 34:03

It could be it could be. She's had enough airtime for it to like make sense.

SPEAKER_03 34:08

She's had a lot of airtime, and also the way she's playing, I don't know why I'm saying this, but like I think she's playing very well. She seems calm, and you would be so calm as the secret trader, because they're the only person in the game that knows everything that's going on. Yeah, and the secret trader knows all of it.

SPEAKER_01 34:24

So she's and she's kind of giving me that energy, but I don't know. Yeah, she could she could be. She is she's up, she's high on my list. Okay. Yeah. But I don't think so, but it could be.

SPEAKER_03 34:36

Yeah, and she has had a lot of confessionals, so that is a good little thing. Uh, and then the last one is Sam, who oh my god, someone posted um that Sam is the host of Uncloaked. Yeah, the love child between Jonathan Bailey and Ed Gamble.

SPEAKER_01 34:54

And I was like, yes, Ed Gamble, that's they look the same, like yeah. He's just so well when I saw him when I first saw him, I was like, why the guy I was like, that's weird. They got the guy from Uncloaked on the show. And then it's uh it's not.

SPEAKER_03 35:09

He does look, he just looks like such a just like a he's kind of crazy though, an attractive British man in in verticommerce. Like, do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 35:17

I don't find him attractive at all.

SPEAKER_03 35:19

Neither, but like, do you know what like of course he is, you know? Yeah, like yeah, not out of the way.

SPEAKER_01 35:23

He gives like crazy eyes to the camera, like yeah, like still psychotic eyes. He's yeah, he's killed someone on the show. Yeah, I reckon well, yeah. Maybe it could be maybe he gives weird he's like his eyes on that show are just like insane. I really hope they haven't made it him. I'll feel I'll be so like Yeah, I just don't I just don't want to have to look at him more.

SPEAKER_03 35:53

I know, and I'll be like that guy, you picked the like fucking Prince Charming dude to be the one.

SPEAKER_01 36:00

Anyway. Yeah, if if I was thinking if I was a trader for the first few ones when it doesn't really matter who you get rid of and there's no the strategy's not like too strong, I would be like picking off whoever I think would be good TV uh who would be bad TV and boring TV. That's how I would that's how I would play it.

SPEAKER_03 36:19

Unfortunate thing of this show of the format, right, is that yes, they can pick who the traders are and they do the production, but beyond that, really good characters can get boom because so many people just go like bang bang bang bang bang. Yeah, they can go straight away, and like it happens on the US one all the time where like they cast these celebs that they know are gonna be really fun, and then they just go at the start and it's like ah fuck. Yeah, was it Dorinda? Yeah, they brought her back.

SPEAKER_01 36:47

She's back. I know, but but with Lisa Reno, who the fuck know? Exactly. They've kind of I wish they would um for that new season that starts like in two days or whatever. Yeah, um if it was all housewives traders, I would love. Imagine how like crazy they would go.

SPEAKER_03 37:08

It'll be fucking Boston Rob again. The way they treated like oh my god, the way they treated Boston Rob was disgusting.

SPEAKER_01 37:17

Yeah, I mean the I don't even remember that season now. I just remember Dorinda going straight away and being sad.

SPEAKER_03 37:27

Yeah, it was shit. It's all all of the American seasons have all blurred into one for me. Yeah. In a way where I'm just uncomfortable with the whole Caroline.

SPEAKER_01 37:36

I just remember Caroline being crazy. Is it Caroline from Survivor? Mm-hmm. Yeah, I just remember her just like being crazy. Love her, but like I don't remember like what happened and all that other stuff from that season. Um, but I did see I rewatched the trailer for the US one and it's all the same challenges.

SPEAKER_03 37:54

Of course, because they shoot them like back to back. They like yeah, they get the two for one special.

SPEAKER_01 37:58

Yeah, but it's like because it's airing at the same time, it's like oh, I'll be watching both two, I'll be skipping these challenges in the US one.

SPEAKER_03 38:05

You better believe I'm skipping those fucking challenges. Watching them all sing backwards and shit.

SPEAKER_01 38:10

Yeah, I don't need them running up a hill on a chariot again.

SPEAKER_03 38:13

Um do you know who the the real secret trader is?

SPEAKER_01 38:18

Me?

SPEAKER_03 38:18

Ryan Murphy. Ryan Murphy. Well, I don't know if that's a secret. I feel like he's a traitor in plain sight. The beauty trailer?

SPEAKER_01 38:30

Oh my god, yes. I also I watched it. Oh I know. Seriously. Just like ridiculous. But I did see I re-watched it and I like made the connection between getting Ashton Kutcher and then Demi Moore. Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 38:50

I was like, How easy is it to get Ashton Kutcher to do something? All you have to do is call him up and go, hey babe, do you wanna really piss off your ex-wife? Yeah, come on a show that is a blatant ripoff of like the most successful movie of which she was like robbed for awards. And she almost won that Academy Award, but like absolutely like honestly, when Ashton Kutcher popped up in that trailer, I was like And he's like the main character, he's the main character, and it's like imagine if there was a substance, I mean a a thing that could make you feel young and be I'm like guys the body's not even cold. Like the substance was what last year?

SPEAKER_04 39:35

Year before? I don't know, it was like late 24, late 2025?

SPEAKER_01 39:39

Late 2024, start of 2025. Classic Ryan Murphy though. Like he was onto little and it comes out it comes out in like two, three weeks. Like they shot that so they wrote and shot that so quickly after Oh, you better believe I'll be watching it. Oh yeah, I can't wait. I was like it being some virus and then like have being in it um being transmitted sexually. I was like, okay, you've got my you've got my interest.

SPEAKER_03 40:07

Fucking cleaners though, like just I don't know. He doesn't do anything. Is he in it? He's in everything that Ryan Murphy does.

SPEAKER_01 40:15

Everything. What what does he have on Ryan Murphy? Yeah. Or what's that connection?

SPEAKER_03 40:22

There's something going on. Like I don't know. He just he likes his little crew and then he just plonks him in and gets a couple random a random new people in. But I just um finished watching All's Fair. Okay, yeah. I said I wasn't gonna do it because I've got a lot of things. I've seen lots of clips, but not watched it. It's literally the worst thing I've ever seen in my life, but I loved every minute of it. Uh, because you know I famously hate the Kardashians, so I was just kind of living for Is Kim just the worst actor? Like beyond, like acting jail five life sentences. She's just like there being like winner of all the Razzies this year. Yeah, and then they just there's this one scene where this sums up the whole show perfectly. So you've got like the best actors in the world, you've got fucking Naomi Watts, you know, uh Glenn Close in this scene, and they're you know, all women running a sexy law firm where everything is stylish. Also, everyone in the show is like a billionaire for no reason. And this woman walks in and she's like, you know, I've got a divorce. It's all these women that want to divorce their husbands, and then it's like, Sister, take a seat. Oh my god, we are gonna we are gonna take that man down. Mamals, but there's this one and they have a divorce house boots down, clack clack. Exactly. And this one woman comes in and she's like, uh, she's telling them about the divorce case, and then it's like, honey, we have got you sorted. And she's like, Oh, do you mind if I like go outside and vape for a second? And they're like, sure, like just out there in the balcony, and then like cut to her just like unaliving off the balcony. Oh my god. And you're like what? And you're like, not this show doing stewy, and then I'm not making this up, cut two, next scene, the girlies on a private jet clinking glasses, champagne glasses, we've got our money, and then you're just like, oh my god, like what yeah, there's so many bits like that where you're just like, how did they not pick this up? Like, yeah, really bad. And there's a lot of like, and then like Sarah Paulson's character is just like aggressively fucking Kim Kardashian's boyfriend in these like insane roleplay sex scenes that are like so funny that they're amazing.

SPEAKER_01 42:59

Yeah, wow. What kind of roleplay?

SPEAKER_03 43:01

Oh, just watch it. Okay, find some clips of them, find their sex scenes. The sex scenes, okay. It's this guy that's kind of like a skinny Chad Michael Murray with a man button. Okay. I don't know. I mean the whole thing is like fucked. That sounds hot.

SPEAKER_02 43:14

Yeah. I felt like I was drugged. Chad Michael Murray.

SPEAKER_03 43:18

Yeah, the whole time. But after that, now seeing the beauty trailer, I'm like, Ryan Murphy, jail.

SPEAKER_01 43:25

Oh yeah. Jail. That I it was just like eye roll as soon as I saw the like the first three 20 seconds of the trailer. I was like, what? What? It's like yacht. Ashton Kutcher injection, the substance.

SPEAKER_04 43:39

That's like it even looks the prop, the injection prop looks the fucking side.

SPEAKER_01 43:43

It's just a different colour. It's like the ready.

SPEAKER_03 43:47

All of it, like the colour grading and everything, so similar to the substance. Yeah. Except the mm special effects makeup and stuff doesn't look as good.

SPEAKER_01 43:55

No, it will be the substance was incredibly short. The cinematic. Photography and that was awesome.

SPEAKER_02 44:01

Imagine if it was called like the liquid or like the the syringe. Yeah, I'm like, what's another word for syringe? Like the look, the beauty isn't very creative either.

SPEAKER_03 44:14

Yeah. The beauty. The beauty. Are you fucking kidding me? Get the May. Can't wait for it to start.

SPEAKER_01 44:22

Yeah. Hopefully it's just a one-off and we're not it's we don't have to endure the multiple seasons.

SPEAKER_03 44:29

Famously, everything he does is like the first episode. He's like, whoa, yes, we are going. And then like cut to like ep 10, and you're like, what are we fucking doing? Like he can never land the plane.

SPEAKER_01 44:41

No. Never. The always the ideas are like great. The pitch is the first episode. And you're like, fuck yeah, I'm in.

SPEAKER_03 44:48

And then he just he must hand it over, or like he must like leave set or maybe it's the other way around. Yeah. Maybe someone else starts it. That's why it's good.

SPEAKER_01 44:57

And it's just him doing the rest of the season.

SPEAKER_03 44:59

But like all those American horror stories, like they all started so promising. And you were like, fuck.

SPEAKER_01 45:05

Where is this going? Yeah, we are. Where is this going? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 45:08

Where did you get up to on the HS? I never watched it.

SPEAKER_01 45:12

I watched the first episode of the one with Gaga. But I like I was just like this. Is that hotel? Hotel, yeah. Where she was a sexy um. Yeah, and I just wasn't vibing, and I was like, I can't, I I don't even care. Love that she wanna go and vote for it. Yeah, but like she was so good in that. Don't give a shit about yeah, I I just couldn't. Fair. But I never there's some other there's some other like show what was that Hollywood or something that started off really fun and then went real bad.

SPEAKER_03 45:46

That was a great example of Mr. Murphy just like finding some hot fucking white twinks in West Hollywood and be like, want to be in a show. Yeah. Because he loves casting like the same looking guy and getting them naked.

SPEAKER_01 46:03

He must use these Netflix deals to like have pull that.

SPEAKER_03 46:10

Yeah. Yeah. Well, there's that. Um, do you know what is back, back, back again though? Drag race. Drag race. It is. I'm shook. Season 18 is loving all the old bitches. Oh, it's Ryan Murphy, it's off to a good start.

unknown 46:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 46:27

That first episode was flawless. Yeah, loving all the balls. I'm gonna say, and I will say this because I have fucking hated the last, like I I want to say three seasons. Like hated.

SPEAKER_01 46:38

Yeah, especially at the beginning.

SPEAKER_03 46:40

Because they they overcomplicate the premiere, they introduce some dumb new thing, they split up the queens, they do this up. This was back to basics. Yeah. It was like here they are, there's some I mean, old bitches in inverted commas that were over 30. They're all 32.

SPEAKER_01 46:56

Fucking at least half of them are over 30. Yeah, that's good. Instead of the oldest being 32. Like last season. Oh no, that was last season. Lexi Love was 32 last season. She was the oldest.

SPEAKER_03 47:08

Athena Dion.

SPEAKER_01 47:10

I don't know, but she looks very young.

SPEAKER_03 47:12

Well, because she's had that face.

SPEAKER_01 47:13

She's and she's got that Latino. Isn't she Greek? I think she's famous for the city. Is she Greek? Greek. Well, the name would be. Athena, yeah, probably.

SPEAKER_03 47:23

But no. I don't know. She's from Miami. You're not sure. She's from Miami. But um Also half the cast is from Miami, which I love.

SPEAKER_01 47:30

Yeah. Yeah. They were all I was it was just like Miami, Miami. And then the I don't know why they care if there's another Miami. They were like they like Florida queens. I don't want any more Florida Keynes. I'm like, who cares? Yeah. Maybe their quizzettes, like, you want you still Florida.

SPEAKER_03 47:45

Whatever. Like, who gives a shit? But no, I I really liked the first episode. It just had Rue seemed like she was like having fun again. She made something like, oh my god, Alicia Edwards. Alicia Edwards. Alicia my Edwards.

SPEAKER_01 48:00

Like, I gotta give credit to her. She does just like lean into the fact that she doesn't know any of them. I was like She just won Global All-Stars.

SPEAKER_03 48:10

Like, I love they edited that in. In. Because they so there's so but Rue would have approved. There's a universe where Rue is like, absolutely not, take that out. But the fact is she left that down like bitches, like it's funny. And I just love it as well because I know that Alyssa would fucking hate that. Yeah. But then it makes me think like if that's what she thinks about Alyssa Edwards icon superstar, imagine if someone asked her about like any of the down under queens. She'd be like, who? She'd probably be like, Did we even make that show? She'd be like, Oh, we always thought about doing that, but did we do it?

SPEAKER_01 48:43

Yeah. She'd be like, that was a dream, right? That didn't happen. Yeah. That was a dream I don't remember. Art Simone, who what?

SPEAKER_04 48:51

No.

SPEAKER_01 48:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 48:52

But yeah, remember she jumped out of the I mean I'm trying to jump out of the of the trash and she came back.

SPEAKER_03 48:58

She'll be like, I have no honey. No recollection, but no, Alicia Edwards.

SPEAKER_01 49:05

I wonder if she knows about Lazy Susan. Surely she would because she's hosting with Rue. I wanna say. She's hosting with Michelle.

SPEAKER_03 49:11

I wanna say probably not. Which I hate for Lazy. Yeah. Because I want that moment for Lazy. But I think Lazy's dodged a bullet not having any exposure with Rue.

SPEAKER_01 49:23

I want that. Yeah, I think um Rue would not appreciate Lazy as Michelle did. No. And yeah, I don't think Lazy would have done as well if Rue was there.

SPEAKER_03 49:39

Breakout star of Ep One was Kenya Please Her.

SPEAKER_01 49:43

Love her.

SPEAKER_03 49:43

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 49:44

Oh obsessed. So funny. So funny. She had so the confessionals were just killing me.

SPEAKER_03 49:49

And I was genuinely devastated she like concerned she was gonna go. Yeah. I was like, if they do that, I'm turning this off.

SPEAKER_01 49:56

This was the one time this episode was the one time that I'm act I was actually happy that like no one went home. I was like, you know what? These bitches were. Yeah, because normally you're like the um the bitch with um with the hair slicked back with the crazy walk. Discord Adams. Discord Adams. Wow. Oh my did you watch Untalked?

SPEAKER_03 50:18

Yeah. She was watching. So um Cardi B. Um I just wanted to double check. Am I sickening and gorgeous and stunning? And what?

SPEAKER_01 50:27

Cardi, all Cardi said was like that outfit is something that I would wear, but mentioned nothing else about the anything. I would have like her walk was insane. Yeah. And she was like, I'm serving, I'm serving. I did love her.

SPEAKER_03 50:46

Did you see a tweet where she was like, You all are like shading my walk, but uh at least I'm not being photographed with Mum Marilyn Manson?

SPEAKER_01 50:56

Who's being photographed with Marilyn Manson?

SPEAKER_03 50:58

Violet and Gotmick. Oh wow. And everyone's like, ugh, which I'm a bit like, okay, everyone, settled. I miss that. Doesn't mean that Violet and Gotmick have like abused people themselves, have just like been photographed with like a known. Have you seen all the stuff with Ginger Minge?

SPEAKER_01 51:16

Have you seen all the stuff with Ginger Minge? That's amazing. That's so love that's funny. Like I saw Miss Mojo has joined the chat now. Fuck that. That YouTube like countdown recap channel that's like the top 20 movies of this year. And all the top most outrageous things. And then Ginger's been like mentioning being like, oh, there was all of these things, and then Miss Mojo has come into the comments and being like, Well, no, that's not true. Like a YouTube account, a random YouTube account is coming in and like defaming Ginger Mitchell. Incredible. Incredible.

SPEAKER_03 51:54

That season was fucking shocking. Terrible.

SPEAKER_01 51:58

And it was so I actually liked the format, but it was lucky for you, then they're doing it again.

SPEAKER_03 52:05

Are they? Apparently.

SPEAKER_01 52:06

Well, hopefully they just don't play favoritism because it was so clearly favouritism. But it was just to one person.

SPEAKER_03 52:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 52:16

Justice for Georges. Sorry.

SPEAKER_03 52:18

Totally. Yeah. Yeah. And even like Bosco, I don't know. I thought there were like multiple. Yeah. I don't fucking know. But yeah, season 18, I'm seated. I'm happy. I'm it's like I'm happy to have it.

SPEAKER_01 52:34

Hopefully it doesn't turn into a Ryan Murphy show.

SPEAKER_03 52:36

It might turn into a Ryan Murphy show. But I doubt it. The plane might absolutely plummet into the ocean.

SPEAKER_01 52:42

But every season of Drag Race, you just like you watch it and you slowly get more invested in the Queens, and even those shitty seasons that we've had the last few years. By the end of it, I was like still like slightly invested to see who won.

SPEAKER_03 52:54

And there's some good, like interesting little backstories going on. There's a few people I'm like, oh like the sober lady that's like, I haven't been doing drag on the strip for years.

SPEAKER_01 53:04

I was like, she's got some demons that who was like trash or something was her name.

SPEAKER_03 53:10

Yeah, my name used to be trash, and now it's Desiree Blumenthal or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 53:17

Whatever. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 53:18

There's too many of them.

SPEAKER_01 53:20

Yeah, it's it just like it just takes a while to like remember who they all are.

SPEAKER_03 53:24

And yeah. But it's good. Off to a really good start. Yeah, loving it so good. Because Cardi was like polite.

SPEAKER_01 53:32

And bringing um her girlies. The dolls.

SPEAKER_03 53:36

Bringing the dolls, I was just like, that's how you fucking do it. Like that was like pissing on Nikki's fucking grave, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_01 53:43

And at the right time too. Like how good was the timing of that air the episode dropping?

SPEAKER_02 53:49

Dressed as Chuan Lei, but like looking way better.

SPEAKER_01 53:53

And it just aired at the right time when Nikki's just in the bin. Isn't it so funny that her like petition to get deported is at like a hundred thousand signatures? Poor Nikki.

SPEAKER_03 54:04

Well, yeah. She dug she dug her own hole. She did. But I like, yeah, I don't know. What's going on in America? I feel like she's right at home. You know what I mean? Totally. Fucking hell.

SPEAKER_01 54:19

Yeah, well. Yeah. Poor n I mean, I never really liked Nikki that much anyway, but some of the songs I like was fine with, but she's always been just a side. Yeah, bye girl. I've loved everyone. Yeah, I forgot to mention. Have you seen um this is like so sideways topic? Um my favourite way. Big brother that we've just watched. Have you been seeing all the posts of them like together all the time?

SPEAKER_03 54:47

We did Big Brother Australia and we were kind of caught up in like the whirlwind of it. Yeah. Now post it like No. Just not it had no like it didn't move me in any way. I like I was not moved.

SPEAKER_01 55:01

I'm cr and and I cringe when I see them all hanging out together. I'm like Because I'm like, who are you people? It's giving like a cart, it's giving 19-year-olds on a Kentucky catching up two years later.

SPEAKER_03 55:11

And breving to just like none of them have anything in common.

SPEAKER_01 55:15

Like, stop hanging out.

SPEAKER_03 55:16

I feel embarrassed that I watched that.

SPEAKER_01 55:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 55:19

Like it was really bad, you guys. It was really bad. Like it was fun at the time, but literally it finished and I was like, it didn't happen. Reflection is. It was eating McDonald's. I was like, I didn't do that.

SPEAKER_01 55:31

It was fun at the start, and then it rushed the ending. Yeah. It's getting all of them out, and it like wasn't fun. The daily show was just filled with bullshit.

SPEAKER_03 55:40

It was boring. They need to make it more adult. Later, show, let them actually talk about stuff we want to see. It felt like a yeah, nah. It was 2 PG. And yeah. I mean, look, am I gonna watch the next one? 100%. Absolutely. Because I'm what?

SPEAKER_02 55:57

A glutton for punishment. I was like, you can say it.

SPEAKER_03 56:04

But yeah, wow. I can't believe we did that. And like Coco love and light to you, D.Va. But come on.

SPEAKER_01 56:14

Shouldn't have won.

SPEAKER_03 56:15

No. And Emily robbed of an interview at the end on a video for that.

SPEAKER_01 56:22

Horrible. They've got to fix it for next year. I mean it's coming back. It is coming back. So hopefully they like the thing right.

SPEAKER_03 56:31

I gotta get more use out of it with the rides right over it. When Bruce's family went on those rides, and they were like, Oi, Bruce! Bruce!

SPEAKER_01 56:42

And then Coco's just like, oh my god. He like loves his family. And it's like family, everyone would react like that seeing their family after being hidden away in a house.

SPEAKER_03 56:52

Family have a three-park superpass. This is love. They're so rich. Yeah, yeah, she was like, I can't even fucking afford to like feed my fucking kids, man.

SPEAKER_04 57:03

Yeah, I need money.

SPEAKER_01 57:04

She was literally Christmas. She was banging at that storyline.

SPEAKER_04 57:08

The whole character was like, yeah, a woman at the fucking petrol station being like, Oh, I've got three kids.

SPEAKER_03 57:15

And you're like, cool story.

SPEAKER_01 57:16

Yeah. If I went on Big Brother, yeah, like that thinking watching the show, I was like, oh, that would be fun. Maybe I would maybe audition next year. Not after that. And then after now that it's finished, I'm like, actually, no. Like on that. No. Imagine you're in a house and there's someone like Ed in there. I dabble with the idea of it, and then I'm like, absolutely not.

SPEAKER_03 57:39

I would be forcibly removed for like you would be great.

SPEAKER_01 57:41

I would no, I would like reality television.

SPEAKER_03 57:45

I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 57:45

Yeah. Put you in a pressure cooker. You would be great. Yeah, that it would be fun to watch. I would watch.

SPEAKER_03 57:52

Maybe for you, not for me.

SPEAKER_01 57:54

No, I wouldn't recommend it as a friend. But you would be as a pro as like a TV producer, you would be a TV producer's dream. No, I don't know. I I talk D.

SPEAKER_03 58:04

I would self-produce and I would not be as fun as you think I would. I'd probably like to withdraw. I don't know. Nah, the moment they starve you, you're True.

SPEAKER_01 58:15

One minute without food. Which they that's that's how they get them going crazy. They don't feed them and then give them alcohol and then they all go crazy.

SPEAKER_03 58:25

What's your 2026 looking like? 2026.

SPEAKER_01 58:34

We've got Um Just Live Laugh and Loving, really, of course. Um got a trip coming up, some holidays, planning a few others.

SPEAKER_03 58:44

Stunning. Should be fun. It's the year of get the fuck out of here. Yeah. Um The pod is having uh a little moment coming up. We're gonna be doing the boyfriend Netflix Japan series. You haven't seen it, have you? No. I would highly recommend you watching it. I'll watch the first season. Yeah, I'm it's on Netflix. Yeah, it's on Netflix. Um the first season I think was like 10 apps. The second season is 15, which I'm excited about because it gives us a bit more time to like delve deep into these characters, and it's a whole new cast. I thought they were bringing it up.

SPEAKER_01 59:23

Hopefully, they're kissing by the end of this one. Probably.

SPEAKER_03 59:25

Is it the same boys? No, it's new boys. Oh, okay. And they're very cute. So I can't wait for that. So yeah, subscribe on Patreon or Apple subscriptions for my coverage of The Boyfriend season two starting next week. Just excited. That's so close. Yeah. And then uh I don't know what else we're gonna talk about. It's that weird time of year where it's yeah, it's just fucking traders, traders, and traders, traders, traitors. But hey, I'm not mad about this UK, yeah. But yeah, the back to back thing is a bit stupid. Yeah. But yeah.

SPEAKER_01 59:56

And I think we're gonna get back-to-back drag race as well.

SPEAKER_03 59:58

Well, so that's the thing. So, like, when is Down Under versus the world starting versus the UK versus the world? I'm like, are they just gonna put it all out? I don't know. Yeah, I would love these networks to take a look at.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:11

As long as there's just two, just two at a time. I can't do more than two.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:15

Oh, yeah, because like Canada is still on. Oh, it's about to finish though.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:18

But oh yeah, Canada will finish and then UK versus the world or something will probably start. And then we're probably up after that, I would say.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:27

Or maybe hopefully we're first. No, because they UK versus the world is definitely first. Oh, because they've got promos dropping like today. Oh okay, yeah. I'll have to have a look. Yeah. But hey, if oh that'll be actually that'll be the worst if we're on at the same time as that.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:45

Yeah, we just can't. We can't compete.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:48

Nah. No.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:48

Anyway. Michelle won't let that happen.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:51

No, she won't. Well, Jacob. It's been a pleasure. Thank you for bringing in the new year with me. It's been an absolute pleasure. I'll see you soon, doll. Bye bye.