Modern Leadership Lessons from Ezekiel's Ancient Insights and a Valentine's Tale

Ever wondered how the ancient texts of Ezekiel could inspire your modern leadership journey? We kick off this episode with the lighthearted tale of Dr. Posey's Valentine's Day debacle, where he naively tried to combine his wife Diana's birthday with the holiday—an amusing lesson in love and planning! Broadcasting for the first time from separate studios, Dr. Posey shares his unique full-circle moment, speaking from First Methodist Church in Waco, a stone’s throw from his Baylor college days. 

Join us as we unpack the rich tapestry of leadership lessons nestled within the Book of Ezekiel, focusing on Chapter 37’s iconic Valley of Dry Bones. Delving into Ezekiel’s world, a prophet exiled in Babylon, we uncover the profound messages of hope and revival he brought to Israel. With the challenges of leadership in mind, from budget woes to strategic quandaries, we reflect on how Ezekiel’s courage and resilience can empower you to confidently face difficult decisions and inspire your team.

Lastly, we discuss the essence of "walking the talk" in leadership, drawing parallels with Ezekiel’s unwavering integrity and presence. Through humor, including some classic dad jokes, we highlight how maintaining positivity can be a beacon in trying times. By weaving in the prophetic insights of Ezekiel, we explore how leaders can embody trust and hope, ensuring their teams remain engaged and inspired, no matter the challenges ahead.

Transcript

Speaker 2 0:28

Welcome, welcome, welcome to another exciting episode of the Biblical Leadership Show.

Speaker 1 0:36

Hey Tim, how you doing.

Speaker 2 0:38

How we doing.

Speaker 1 0:39

I'm doing fantastic. This is a first for our podcast, isn't it? I mean it really is. This is a first for our podcast, isn't it? I mean it really is. This is a first.

Speaker 2 0:47

You know you're down hanging out in Waco and usually we're in studio together. So I've been in the studio scrambling trying to hook up all this fancy equipment and revamp it so I could get a hold of you down in Waco. You're not that far away, but you're far enough that you're not in the studio today.

Speaker 1 1:06

Yeah, I'm in a studio down here at First Methodist Church in Waco, and so we've got that going on today First time we've ever done it in separate studios. And also we've got new software recording software.

Speaker 2 1:22

We do.

Speaker 1 1:23

I think we'll improve the quality of our podcast, so this is a first. For two reasons that's very exciting.

Speaker 2 1:29

Yeah, it is Very exciting. So how you been?

Speaker 1 1:33

You know I'm gone from the house from Saturday to Thursday now, so I'm just home for about 48 hours a week you are.

Speaker 2 1:43

You've been on this vacation.

Speaker 1 1:47

Yeah, it's vacation, for sure.

Speaker 2 1:50

You've celebrated Valentine's Day with your beautiful bride. You celebrated her birthday.

Speaker 1 1:56

Yes, her birthday and Valentine's Day. You're just kicking all along.

Speaker 2 2:00

I mean you've got it all going down, so it's exciting. So I have to check to see what we've got coming up in March. We're pushing on the March calendar.

Speaker 1 2:11

That's right. But here's the thing I learned a long time ago because I made a bad mistake. Since Diana's birthday is so close to Valentine's Day, I originally thought that I could just kind of put them together and celebrate one time, not uh, no, no, I made that my wife Christmas and, uh, you know, my whole family's December.

Speaker 2 2:33

So it's yes, no, you've got to celebrate each day in the summer.

Speaker 1 2:37

So yeah, you can't like postpone the birthday celebration or Valentine's? No, no, don't even, don't even think about it.

Speaker 2 2:44

I mean, that's really what I do.

Speaker 1 2:45

I did it one time. That was not a good plan.

Speaker 2 2:47

I worked the entire year just to pay for December.

Speaker 1 2:50

Yeah, I hear you.

Speaker 2 2:52

My goal is to get ahead by the time December comes, so I can buy all these presents.

Speaker 1 2:58

Yes, exactly right. But yeah exciting, but you know, Valentine's Day last week, and so I just heard that. I heard about this and so just wanted to share this with our listeners. What did the French chef give his wife for Valentine's Day?

Speaker 2 3:21

What did the French wife give French French?

Speaker 1 3:23

French chef. What did the French chef give his wife for Valentine's day?

Speaker 2 3:28

I do not know.

Speaker 1 3:29

He gave her a hug and a quiche.

Speaker 2 3:34

One thing I have not done and I was playing with it, trying to get it done when our pre-show you know recordings is trying to get all our buttons up.

Speaker 1 3:41

Oh good, the buttons are not working.

Speaker 2 3:43

I had it down in studio and I've got a new control panel here and I still don't have man.

Speaker 1 3:49

We've got so many new things. This is like a new chapter. Well, we've been doing this podcast about 18 months now, so we're just coming on all kinds of new things for us.

Speaker 2 3:59

Yeah, this is all I'll be taking on the road. Soon I'll be hanging out in Waco doing this recording studio down in Waco.

Speaker 1 4:06

You can come anytime. It would be so much fun. That's so much fun. This is an awesome church, First Methodist. It's an honor to be here. I was at this church in college for the four years I was down here at Baylor and part of my senior year I was on staff as the college director, and so to be asked to come back in the interim between the pastor who left to work with the bishop and the new pastor is coming in in May, for me to be down here and to be the interim senior pastor is just like a full circle.

Speaker 2 4:44

Did any of the people recognize you? They know you from the past. Do you have any attendees?

Speaker 1 4:52

In fact, there was a few, there was a few, and that's been a few years ago, and so there's not too many still here, because that was back in the 70s and so it's been a long time. It's been a long time.

Speaker 2 5:04

It's been a long time.

Speaker 1 5:05

It's been a long time, but a few of them do, and so it's good to reconnect with this amazing congregation and just doing the job that's awesome, awesome. Yeah, get to preach every week until the end of April, that's just fun.

Speaker 2 5:26

Yeah, enjoy it, it'll be good, it'll be really good. We like to speak and it's fun when we can get in front of people and share the word and the wisdom and all that stuff.

Speaker 1 5:37

Yeah, and the amazing thing was, last Sunday no one fell asleep. I was so excited.

Speaker 2 5:42

No one fell asleep.

Speaker 1 5:43

No one fell asleep. Well, that's impressive, my gosh, yeah that's, that's really really good.

Speaker 2 5:49

Well, that doesn't happen every day, you know no, not, not every time. But that's the goal make sure everyone's awake that's the goal. Yes, all right things up in arlington.

Speaker 1 6:00

Let's, uh, let's get on with the podcast for today.

Speaker 2 6:03

We're doing all right here in Arlington. Yeah, we're going that hot cold, hot cold thing, you know. So you know it's just what we're dealing with. So Ezekiel is what we're talking a little bit about today.

Lessons in Leadership From Ezekiel

Speaker 1 6:14

We're talking about the amazing book of Ezekiel, and yes, this is one of the most significant books of the Old Testament and I'll give a little background. But chapter 37 of the book of Ezekiel is probably one of the most referred to chapters in the entire Old Testament. It's called the Valley of Dry Bones. We'll get to that in just a few minutes. But Ezekiel was. Let me just give a little background.

Speaker 1 6:46

So you have, many years before Ezekiel you had King David. His son, solomon, became king after David died. When Solomon died, the kingdom split into two kingdoms, the north and the south. Solomon died, the kingdom split into two kingdoms, the north and the south, and each kingdom had its own. We won't get into why all that happened, but it did, and each kingdom had its own kings.

Speaker 1 7:16

Well, in around 722 BC, the Assyrian Empire came in and conquered the Northern Kingdom, and so you had the Northern Kingdom gone and then so you had the Southern Kingdom. The Assyrian Empire was just huge, just conquered a lot of territory in that time of history, and they held on to that for a couple hundred years. And then in the 600s, right at the end of the 600s BC, the Babylonian Empire came into prominence and so there was a big fight between the Babylonians and the Assyrians, and so the Babylonians conquered the city of Nineveh, which was in Assyria, in 612 BC, and then they started moving towards Israel, jerusalem and those kind of things. So in 5, five well, let's just say around 597 BC the Babylonians came in and they were. They didn't destroy Jerusalem, but they conquered the city and they took about 10,000 Jews to Babylon as exiles, and this man, ezekiel, was one of those 10,000 that went, and so he's actually writing as an exile in a foreign land, and now he's from a priestly family.

Speaker 1 8:58

So one of the desires he had was to be a priest, and so that could happen when he was 30. And so he's actually in exile in Babylon on his 30th birthday and around that time, and he has these visions from God about the future of Jerusalem, the future of the country, and then so the destruction of the city, which happened in 586 BC, and then so the book is very similar to other prophets, but the one thing about Ezekiel is he was actually living in Babylon. But the one thing about Ezekiel is he was actually living in Babylon during that time, and so he has a whole different perspective than, say, jeremiah or Isaiah or some of the other prophets that we've talked about, and when he's writing it talks a lot about what happened and the people, but at the very end there's hope, and chapter 37 is really the beginning of that. He's talking about the valley of dry bones and he sees this vision of this valley and all that are bones, just dry human bones, and then God begins to breathe on these bones and they come to life, and so that is a symbolic representation of that. There's going to be life again for the people of Israel, and it's just a very powerful symbolic chapter that talks about what's going to happen.

Speaker 1 10:34

And so the exiles were there for 70 years. They came back to Jerusalem. That's a whole other story we'll talk about in another podcast, but because Ezekiel was there and witnessed that and was a part of that, he has a unique perspective that I think leads to some leadership principles that we can talk about today. So anything you want to add to that, tim, before we move forward.

Speaker 2 11:04

No, I think you're right on. I know the Valley of the Dry Bones is a huge part of this, you know, and the way people look at it. And you know, one of the biggest things that I got out of this and I'll throw the leadership part of this in is, you know Ezekiel had to deliver some tough messages and I think that's where leaders, you know, sometimes we avoid those hard conversations. You know, those tough situations we sort of put off, thinking that it's going to work itself out over time, work itself out over time, and I think that that's one of the things that really appealed to me on this. You know, listening to Ezekiel's story, that he had to bring some messages Now, a lot of the prophets do but he had some tough ones to lead by example with.

Speaker 1 11:54

Yeah, and it wasn't that it was easy for him, but that was the calling that God put on his life and he didn't back down from it. And so I think what your first point was so well taken, that if we are a leader, sometimes leaders have to make difficult decisions, and that could be a budget issue, that could be a staffing issue, that could be a budget issue, that could be a staffing issue, that could be a relocation issue. There's all kinds of issues that could be modifying the plan, the timeline. There's so many tough decisions that leaders should be making and I'm wondering if, in your experience, tim, with dealing with you know, speaking to leaders, if some people leaders don't want to do that because they don't want to experience the consequence if they make a bad choice, you know, and whatever that might be, you know, here's the big thing is, and I guess it depends on the level of leadership, I guess where you're at, how long you've been in a position.

Earning the Right to Lead

Speaker 2 12:56

I mean, confidence comes over time, you know. As we know, you get more confident the more that you've been in a position, and that's always a thing to do. But a lot of times people they put off because they're afraid they're going to make the right, the wrong decision and or the consequences. Am I going to make this person mad and he or she's not going to talk to me? Or they're going to rebel or they're going to quit? Well, this is a good person, but I still have to have those tough conversations and a lot of times leaders, like I said, they just think it's going to work itself out, and what it is is. It doesn't. It just festers and gets worse and worse and worse and then you've got a bigger problem. Now it's affecting multiple people in your department, not just one. That you could have nipped this at the bud at the very beginning and not have a problem.

Speaker 1 13:45

So yeah, and we have to be sure that leaders understand that one of the most important principles of leadership is that you have to earn the right to be heard.

Speaker 1 13:53

So if you are new to the leader and you see there's a tough decision that has to be made, you might just wait until you've earned that right Now. Each organization has its own timeline as to how long that takes, but I think that leads to another leadership principle, and that you want to know your people. You want to know how they tick, you want to know about them as much as they're willing to share, and the more you do that, the more trust you build with your people then the more they're willing to listen to you when you have to make those tough decisions. If you just come in and you don't know your people well and you just start being autocratic about it and making all these decisions, that could really lead to more problems. And so you have to earn the right to be heard.

Speaker 1 14:43

And once that happens, it's also how you phrase what you're saying, the tone of your voice, the compassion of your heart. Are you beating around the bush? Sometimes leaders just don't get to the point. They just kind of hem and haw around the point and by the time someone's done, they go. What was he talking about? I don't really know what he's talking about, so it's important to be easily understood so that people know exactly what's happening. Yeah, that's exactly right Now.

Speaker 2 15:22

We started out and you were talking about the Valley of Dry Bones, right.

Speaker 2 15:25

And you know, trusting the God's vision even when it seems impossible. And I think that's what I pull out of the leadership. You know that sometimes leaders in this, you know they roll into the thing that you know this isn't going to work or there's no hope or we need to just give up now. And and I felt that that sort of where it tied me into leadership of you know, sort of never losing sight of hope because you know you wouldn't think that, uh, that a valley of dry bones with a little breath would come back to have motion and life and anything's possible. You know, anything's possible. I always tell people that.

Speaker 1 16:09

Well, here's the thing that's, I think, a leadership principle for that particular chapter. In 37 is that Ezekiel realized his own limitations. He could not do that without help. Now, obviously, in this chapter, he's relying upon the help of God. But the question is do we as leaders recognize that sometimes we need our team, we need other people to work together to make this happen? And if we think that it's always depending upon us, then that might be part of the problem. And so your team? It could be two people, you and another person. It could be a team of 10. You know that's up to you, but sometimes we get into trouble as leaders because we make mistakes without you know, talking to other people, getting some advice and go from there.

Speaker 2 17:10

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I still get to see your, your, your pretty face on camera.

Speaker 1 17:18

You know, oh my goodness yeah it's, it's all right.

Speaker 2 17:21

You know, we probably won't upload it because we have faces made for radio, probably good, I have a face for the platform, I actually get to see posy, so it's almost like I'm sitting across the table from me. You know one of those things? Yeah, it's almost like I'm sitting across the table from him. You know one of those things?

Speaker 1 17:34

Yeah, it's really good, and so let's get back to Ezekiel for just a few minutes before we, you know, throw in some dad jokes, dad jokes yeah.

Speaker 2 17:44

Do we have dad jokes? Yeah.

Speaker 1 17:46

I have. You know I'm not there, so I don't have as many dad jokes as I would normally have.

Speaker 2 17:57

We don't have the emergency, I'm going to have to grab the emergency dad joke out of the studio.

Speaker 1 18:00

Yeah, I did not take it down here to wake up with you, Because I'm in the secondary studio today.

Speaker 2 18:03

so I'm broadcasting out of my main, so I'll have to grab the emergency. Dad jokes out of the biblical place and our studio back there in the back.

Speaker 1 18:14

So okay, so, speaking of that, what do you call a dog that can do magic? What do you call a dog that can do magic?

Speaker 2 18:23

Oh my gosh, that's a tough one.

Speaker 1 18:27

I do not know A dog that can do magic. What do you call it?

Speaker 2 18:30

I don't know A labracadabrador, oh boy.

Speaker 1 18:37

Where are those?

Speaker 2 18:37

buttons.

Speaker 1 18:38

I know I can let's see, I can probably put the microphone over here somewhere. You can just mute me. Yeah, oh, okay. So here's the other thing about leadership from Ezekiel. He was right there in the midst of it. He wasn't getting in and out of the place. He didn't excuse himself and tell the people oh, you got to do this. No, he was right there. Hey, you got it. Did you hear it? I did hear it.

Speaker 2 19:06

That's so awesome.

Speaker 1 19:08

That's so awesome, that's really good. But here's the thing he was right there with them in the other country. He was in exile, just like them, and one of the things he felt really led to do was to encourage the people that your current situation is not going to be your final situation, and so I think that's a really good thing for leaders to keep in mind. Is okay, is all I see in gloom and doom, or I'm going to hold that hope, or what does the future look like? And, like we said before, not to be Pollyannish but be realistic. But a leader has to hold that hope, and if that's difficult for you, maybe you don't need to be the leader, maybe your organization needs another leader, and not everybody's cut out to be a leader.

Speaker 2 20:14

You know there's a lot of people that I had to. They had to take six months of coaching with me and or they had to take a step back and not become the leader of the department. And she said, really, you know, the coaching ain't going to do anything for me. I'm just not fit to be a leader, I've just don't make a good leader. And she stepped back and she resigned the leadership position and went back as one of the people in the department. So not everybody is designed for it. Not everybody wants to be a leader. Matter of fact. That's a lot of what happens in companies. It's the person that's been there the longest that gets promoted to the leader, and a lot of them don't want to be leaders and that throws your department all out of whack because this person is not a good leader. They just got seniority there and man, that'll throw a company well into a mess every once in a while.

Speaker 1 20:57

Yeah, and sometimes people get promoted because they're available, not because they're qualified, and yet you bring in someone new or leapfrog someone over because you see their leadership potential and sometimes that creates all kinds of problems because someone didn't get picked and they've been there for 22 years and someone that's been there 15 years gets the promotion. And you know it's a tough thing and you've got to just have a lot of wisdom to choose the right, the right thing, the right person. But you should be training up someone else to be the leader in case something happens. It just needs to be important to do that.

Speaker 2 21:39

So you should, you should.

Speaker 1 21:41

You should. I've been in a part of in the past. I'm not currently now, but I was active in Rotary for a long time and my father-in-law was very active in Rotary. He was like perfect attendance for like I don't even know how many years, like 50 years or something. It was amazing. But they have such a system of, okay, we have a president, but we're also training the next president while we're doing it, and so part of that and this is not in Ezekiel, but that's part of leadership is who's going to be ready to be trained to take responsibility.

Speaker 2 22:17

The Bible sort of talks about succession planning in a way right. In a way, you can interpret it that way that all the setup of the Bible is what house is going to take over and what magical chess plays God's going to make to you know. Align it to go the right path.

Speaker 1 22:37

Yeah. And so we look in the new Testament, jesus. He had his 12 disciples. One of them obviously betrayed him, but the other 11, they, they were in training for leadership for three years. And so the question would be how do we do that in our organization? How do we do that? And so, when you're looking at that leader, going back to Ezekiel, there needs to be accountability for leadership, there needs to be responsibility. And so the question is do your leaders or do your people maybe there's just you and three other people in the organization do they know exactly what their job is supposed to do? Is there a job description? Do you talk with them regularly? Do they know what they're supposed to do? Do they have a quota? Do they have a timeline? All that should be laid out on paper. Timeline All that should be laid out on paper.

Speaker 1 23:47

When I was asked to come down here to Waco, they outlined my responsibilities on paper. We all agree to that and say you know, this is what I'm supposed to do on Sunday. This is so. There's no confusion about that, and obviously we got to keep focused on the mission of the organization and make sure that people are working towards that. So one of the things I'm doing.

Speaker 1 24:03

We had our first full staff meeting yesterday and I told the staff hey, over the next 30 days, I want to meet every one of you and we're going to talk about the mission, and then we're talking about what are you doing in your department to work toward that mission. I just want to know how that works. I have some of their goals on paper, but I don't have all the strategies. I just want to learn the strategies. I want to learn the timelines, just so that we can all be on the same page and they might already be, but I'm so new that I don't know, and so that's one of the things that I want to do is make sure that I'm on the page, that they're on the same page as me and I'm on the same page as them.

Speaker 2 24:46

Right.

Speaker 1 24:46

That's awesome yeah.

Walking the Talk With Ezekiel

Speaker 2 24:48

I think that's the way it is and probably the last one we'll get into. On, leadership is, you know, we've danced around it, but Ezekiel lived out his messages through symbolic actions and I think that shows that leaders, they need to walk the talk right, you know if they say something, they need to follow through and do what they say they're going to do and be able to stand up and don't be afraid.

Speaker 1 25:17

I think walking the talk is probably one of the—if you had to say, okay, what are the five top most important characteristics of a leader, I think walking the talk would be at least one of those five. You can't have your people do one thing and you do another. That just leaves a chaos and mistrust and lack of integrity and all kinds of consequences. And you're right, ezekiel, he was called by God to do this. He saw these incredible visions and he was so faithful, even in a very difficult situation.

Speaker 2 25:54

So yeah, awesome, awesome. Well, we're pushing on. You know 25 minutes or so on our stuff. We're a couple minutes shy, but I think we've talked a little bit about Ezekiel, one thing that I will talk and I want to make sure that I have a question for you. Ezekiel starts after he was in prison for five years, right, and then it's broke down into two sections really of Ezekiel. I mean, it's one section, but is it continuous or does it go down? What are some of the beginning starts where he's in prison and then how does it end on Ezekiel?

Speaker 1 26:36

Well, he's not in prison, he's an exile.

Speaker 2 26:40

Exile.

Speaker 1 26:41

So he's an exile, it's different. Okay, so he's in Babylon, he's actually sitting by a river and he sees this vision of God in the temple and all those kind of things. So so he sees that, um, and he's, he's, uh, can you imagine? Here you are, you're, you're growing up your whole life expecting, uh, to have this job as a, as a priest. You feel called to do that. Your, your family's in the priesthood. You want to be a priest and all of a sudden, your city gets wiped out, not necessarily wiped out physically, but the Babylonians come in and take 10,000 people. You're one of them and you're never going to be able to realize your dream of being a priest.

Speaker 1 27:28

And so God calls him to be a different type of priest in the Babylon and to speak to the people. It's more like a priest, prophet. And so he's there sitting by the river and he has this vision, and so much of Ezekiel's writings are symbolic of these visions that he has from God. And then he interprets these visions from God. And then he interprets his visions and then, at the very end of the book, just like most prophets do, it ends with hope like the people are going to get back home, we're going to have, we're going to be back there and God's going to restore the people and so that's kind of a.

Speaker 2 28:15

That's sort of where I was going with. You know, it starts out with him coming off of his exile and it always ends with hope, and I was sort of going down that setup to go. You know, the final verse and the name of the city, from that time on, will be the Lord, is there? Yes, how do we interpret that? That was an honest question I wanted to ask you about right?

Speaker 1 28:37

Okay, that's a really good question, because what he's basically saying is the people prior to the Babylonians coming in, over the couple hundred years prior to that whole thing and the destruction of Jerusalem, the people were worshiping other gods. Even in the temple, even the temple area, they were worshiping other gods. And Ezekiel's saying, hey, we're going to get back, and God is I mean, the temple's going to be, god's going to be back in Israel, where he needs to be, he's going to be honored, he's going to be elevated, he's going to be worshiped as the one true God. And so he's saying, hey, this is going to happen and God's going to be in his rightful place at some point in the future. So we will not be worshiping foreign gods, we're going to be worshiping the one true God. So that's how it ends and it's a pretty powerful message for the people back then. It's a very powerful message for us that, even in the difficult times, there's always hope for a future, that your current situation does not have to be your final situation.

Speaker 2 29:50

Awesome, awesome.

Speaker 1 29:50

Awesome, powerful, powerful imagery and symbolic imagery of of in the book of Ezekiel. Yeah, it really is.

Speaker 2 30:01

So I got you Well, I think that good. On Ezekiel, I think we sort of chatted on that one a little bit, that one a little bit, and I I thought about you know the dad jokes and and I was like I I thought about uh, um, you know tech jokes, because we're having all kinds of wraparound tech things today. Why did the uh ai go to therapy? I don't know why because it had too many processing issues. Oh gosh, okay, so last weekend last weekend.

Speaker 1 30:36

Last weekend, we went to a wedding. Okay, oh yeah, it was so beautiful. Even the the wedding cake was in tears there we go there you go um what else you got for us well, Well, you know, it's been raining down here in Waco a little bit this morning and you know what happens when it rains cats and dogs.

Speaker 2 31:02

Oh.

Speaker 1 31:04

Well, you have to be careful not to step in a poodle.

Speaker 2 31:09

Oh, I'll give that one. You give that to me. Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 31:13

I get a cheer. I get a little cheer on that one. You give that to me. Oh my gosh, I get a cheer, I get a little cheer on that one.

Speaker 2 31:16

Yeah, I tried to make a joke about pizza. You know this one, don't you? It was just too cheesy.

Speaker 1 31:28

That one is really cheesy. I had to bring some of the old ones out you did.

Speaker 2 31:31

Oh my gosh, what's the skeleton's? You know we're talking about the Valley of Dry Bones. What's a skeleton's?

Speaker 1 31:42

least favorite room.

Speaker 2 31:44

No, it isn't Least favorite room, the skeleton's least favorite room?

Speaker 1 31:49

I can't remember.

Speaker 2 31:50

The living room.

Speaker 1 31:54

Oh, now I would push the other button for that. You're just too far away.

Speaker 2 32:00

I got total control of the buttons. You got total control of the buttons, you got total control of everything.

Speaker 1 32:05

Oh my goodness. Well, you know this church here. It's a large building and you know I'm up here on the second floor right now. But I've learned here I've just been here a week but you can never count on stairs. You never can count on stairs because they're always coming down with something that's a bad one.

Speaker 2 32:33

I know the stair joke. You know, all right, you got one, one more, and then I don't have fine people, I do not have another good one?

Speaker 1 32:41

I have a bunch of bad ones oh no no, I think we should just leave our our. Uh, why was?

Speaker 2 32:50

noah, so calm during the flood? I don't know.

Speaker 1 32:56

I should know this one.

Speaker 2 32:57

I wrote a book on Noah he wrote it I was getting ready to say, because he knew the ark was a boatload of fun.

Speaker 1 33:02

Oh, that's it.

Speaker 2 33:05

Oh yeah, Check out Dr Posey's book. What is that one on Noah?

Speaker 1 33:09

Yeah, 12 Gifts we Can't Afford to Lose, oh 12 Gifts.

Speaker 2 33:15

That's right. Yeah, 12 gifts.

Speaker 1 33:16

It's on my library right behind me over here. Yeah, it's right there with your Star Wars helmets, my gosh I wish you all could see the studio. Tim has he redid his office and he has. How many Star Wars helmets do you have back there?

Speaker 2 33:30

One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, probably about 20.

Speaker 1 33:36

Oh my goodness, they're like life-size helmets. I mean, these are just star troopers, whatever I mean. My goodness, I look like you're uh, you know, out there on the spaceship or something all right.

Speaker 2 33:50

Well, we'll let these fine people get out of here. Um, dr posey, always fine. This is uh success. I do believe we'll let these fine people get out of here. Dr Posey, always fine. This is a success. I do believe we'll see if it recorded and everything worked after we get done with this but.

Speaker 1 34:02

If not.

Speaker 2 34:03

you guys will probably never know about it. So other than that, you know Dr Posey from Waco, mr Lanceford from up here in Dallas. We're looking forward to it. Check us out, biblicalleadershipshowcom and Dr Posey, take us out. Or will you have any final words before you take us out with anything fun?

Speaker 1 34:24

just make it a great day thank you, guys, have a great one. We'll see you next week. Ok, bye.