The Biblical Leadership Show
Inspiration. Wisdom. Leadership from a Higher Perspective.
Welcome to The Biblical Leadership Show, your go-to resource for discovering timeless truths from Scripture that empower leaders to inspire, influence, and impact their world. Hosted by Tim Lansford and Dr. Dean Posey, this podcast takes a deep dive into the Bible’s profound lessons on leadership, bringing fresh perspectives to timeless principles that resonate in today’s fast-paced, ever-changing world.
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- Powerful Biblical Insights: We explore the leadership styles of biblical figures like Moses, Esther, David, and Jesus, extracting practical strategies for overcoming challenges, building trust, and creating lasting impact.
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He Must Increase, I Must Decrease: Lessons in Selfless Leadership from John the Baptist
The most profound leadership principles often come from unexpected sources. In this episode, we unpack the powerful example of John the Baptist and his philosophy that "He must increase, and I must decrease" - a concept that challenges modern leadership culture's obsession with personal recognition and accolades.
After sharing stories from an Alaskan adventure (complete with glaciers, grizzly bears, and surprisingly, Hatch chiles), we dive into what truly makes exceptional leaders. Do you see your primary role as lifting others up, or do you need to be the center of attention? The answer to this question fundamentally shapes your leadership style and your team's success.
We explore how surrounding yourself with people who complement your weaknesses creates stronger organizations than building teams of people just like yourself. This isn't always intuitive - especially for young leaders protective of "their baby" - but it's transformational when embraced. As one host confesses, "When I was young, I declined potential business partners because I felt it was 'my company.' In hindsight, bringing on someone with complementary strengths would have been the smartest move."
Drawing from Jesus's temple-cleansing example, we discuss why great leaders must address difficult situations rather than avoiding them or hoping they'll magically resolve. Problems between team members rarely disappear on their own – they typically fester and grow unless confronted with appropriate timing and approach.
Perhaps most importantly, we examine the water-to-wine miracle as a metaphor for believing in people's capacity for transformation. Are you investing in your team's development? Do you believe they can improve with the right resources and support? When you shift from simply hiring for experience to hiring for character while committing to skills development, everyone benefits.
Subscribe now to continue our journey through leadership principles that have stood the test of time, and join us next week for our exploration of Nicodemus and what his midnight conversation teaches about authentic leadership.
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Speaker 2:What's going on? Are you a little tired?
Speaker 1:I am a little tired.
Speaker 2:It's a long Labor Day weekend A long Labor Day weekend, but how fun is that? It is fun, you know it's great. We went down A long Labor Day weekend, but how fun is that? It is fun, you know it's great.
Speaker 1:We went down to the lake. Oh yeah, spent some time down at the lake. So, yeah, besides working on my pool and being at the lake, I'm tired. Yeah, you had to retile your pool, yeah, exactly right. Well, at least you know how to do that well yeah, I wish I didn't, because I would have wrote a check for somebody else to do it.
Speaker 2:So oh, every once in a while there's good and bad that you know how to do all this stuff and then there's bad that you just don't write a check, so you had like good labor day weekend yeah, yeah, it was good and good time.
Speaker 1:So how about you?
Speaker 2:well, you know, we were thinking about going to a wedding, um, but before we decided we thought you know, this is going to be a pretty—.
Speaker 1:Do we like these people?
Speaker 2:Well, we thought, you know, it's probably going to be a pretty emotional wedding. Pretty emotional wedding. I think even the cake was going to be in tears.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Nice.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2:I didn't even know.
Speaker 1:I thought you were just going straight for a wedding I didn't know you had that one teed up. Oh, but yeah, so we're coming off. We actually took a hiatus last week because you were just getting back from Alaska right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we got back from Alaska. That was fun, oh my goodness, did you have fun? That would be an understatement. Really, that was fun, oh my goodness.
Speaker 1:Did you have fun?
Speaker 2:That would be an understatement, Really. Let me just tell you anybody of the three people that might be listening to this podcast.
Speaker 1:Hey, I think we're four this week. Oh, we're four. Wow, we are moving strong.
Speaker 2:We had an opportunity to go to Alaska with our daughter and her boyfriend and we flew into Anchorage because we had some flight credits, so we wanted to use them up and so we went up there, went down to Seward, went to Homer, went up to Denali National Park. It was absolutely stunning. The people were incredible, the scenery was just unimaginable. I mean, it was absolutely phenomenal. You know, they say what was your best part? Well, we actually the day, because you can't drive your car into the National Park of Denali very far, maybe 15 miles, but the road goes like 50 miles. Well, there was a landslide and so part of the road has been washed out. They're working on it, building a bridge, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2:So we took a tour bus and our tour guide was incredible and anyway, we saw caribou and we saw a bear, a grizzly bear, out in the wild. Never had done that before, but the sky was so clear. That day we actually got to see Denali, which they said only about 30% of the time you can see it because it's so tall, it's like over 20,000 feet. Most of the time it's covered with clouds, and so we were fortunate enough to see it that day. I don't even have the words to describe how majestic that place is, and just the mountains and the snow. One of the days we actually went, I think it was called the Byron Glacier. We went on a hike about two miles or so and then we got to walk on a glacier.
Speaker 1:Wow, that's pretty cool. That was like whoa, how cool is that? That's real cool, right? Not a lot of people. No, I can't say that.
Speaker 2:No, it was just incredible. And then we went on another hike, saw Exit Glacier, which is just massive. Some of these glaciers are hundreds of feet thick. I mean just unbelievable and then went down to well, like I said, we went to Homer. Homer is the halibut capital of the world. Halibut is a very nice.
Speaker 1:Did you eat some halibut? We ate so Halibut is a very nice. Did you eat some halibut? We ate so much halibut. I love it. It was incredible. I mean, if you're going to do it, let's eat some fresh fish, yeah exactly.
Speaker 2:It's like, yeah, this fish probably came off the boat this morning, right, yeah, it was that fresh.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's awesome and it was really good. We did that in Australia. When we were out there, it was literally coming off the boats and they were just cooking it. The chefs were grabbing it.
Speaker 2:It was so amazing. It's incredible.
Speaker 1:I can't even tell you the difference of lobsters to. I mean, everything's just. It's totally different when it's straight from the ocean.
Speaker 2:I mean, it's like, yes, it came off the boat, yeah, and so we did that. We didn't do any fishing ourselves, we didn't have time, but we did a lot of hiking and just had fun. Oh, and here was a cool thing, one of the coolest things. Just so happened that we were in Alaska during the Alaska State Fair.
Speaker 1:Oh, how cool is that.
Speaker 2:It's in the little town of Palmer, which is just north of Anchorage, and so the day our daughter and her boyfriend were leaving the plane doesn't leave till like 7.45 at night. So we were in Homer, we got up real early, drove to Palmer, went to the state fair for about five hours. It was just fun. It was just a lot of fun and then we took them to the airport. But it's like how often do you say, yeah, I went to the Alaska State?
Speaker 1:Fair. Yeah, that's pretty cool. That was really really cool. That's awesome, yeah, fun times.
Speaker 2:It was good, it was really good.
Speaker 1:We should start just a travel thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, a travel podcast.
Speaker 1:I guess we should talk about somebody's at the gym working out. Listen to us going really Seriously, yeah, really.
Speaker 2:We went to Alaska.
Speaker 1:We haven't seen each other for a week. We literally walked in, we started podcasting.
Speaker 2:So we're catching up.
Speaker 1:We're just doing it on air with you guys.
Speaker 2:Yeah, how fun is that? Yeah, it was just really good. And one day like today here in Texas it's like 100 degrees, but I think the high one day in Alaska was like 54 degrees.
Speaker 1:Wow.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the low was like 47, but the high was 54. And it was just like perfect Was it colder on the glacier. Surprisingly, really not Not the same. Yeah, it was about the same.
Speaker 1:Was it colder on the glacier? Surprisingly, really not. Not the same, yeah it was about the same. Yeah, I'm just curious.
Speaker 2:Now you've got to wear sunglasses because the light comes off the snow and it's like wow.
Speaker 1:Same in a pool. Yes, yeah, exactly right. My eyes, my face, your face gets sunburned from the glacier. Exactly so it was good, it was really good. That's awesome.
Speaker 2:So I was glad to be gone, glad to be back.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And it was just fun being with our daughter and her boyfriend and it was just fun, so it was just cool. So I'm from New Mexico.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Okay. And when I grew up in New Mexico, we had hatch chili. Okay, hatch chili. And when I grew up in New Mexico, we had hatch chili Okay.
Speaker 2:Hatch chili is like the best that I've ever eaten. It's really good. So one of my mom's best recipes is chile rellenos with hatch chili. Okay, so we go. We're staying in an Airbnb in Anchorage, we stay in an Airbnb in all the places, and we go to the store I think it was a Kroger or something like that up in Anchorage and guess what they had there? What Hatch chili.
Speaker 1:Really.
Speaker 2:Yes, and so I texted my sister, who lives in Colorado, and I said, hey, do you have mom's chili relleno recipe? Because I know we have it at the house, but I didn't think about bringing it and oh yeah, we're going to get some Hatch Chili, and so we actually made Chili Rellenos in Anchorage, alaska, with Hatch.
Speaker 1:Chili it was really really good. How fun is that? Yeah, it was really fun.
Speaker 2:It was really fun.
Speaker 1:That's awesome. So, yeah, it's on my list. We were thinking about going this summer, we just didn't make it up there, so it's one of my few remaining states left.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was good, I'll probably get up there next year and check it out. It was really good and just had a lot of fun. And so you know, don't know if I'll ever be back, but it's a great place to go and just had a wonderful time.
Speaker 1:Just got to build up those trip credits. Time, just got to build up those trip credits. That's exactly right, but it's good to be back.
Speaker 2:Good to be back in the studio with you. Yeah, absolutely I'm glad to be here. Yeah, school's starting for all the kids and your kids are in school and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, it's back to the routine.
Speaker 1:I was trying to get past Labor Day because it's all the craziness of the school beginning school. You're in a routine but you're not really yet.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you have like a week and a half, two weeks, and then all of a sudden you get a vacation, vacation, it's like what?
Speaker 1:So this is sort of when you really get hardcore on everything, get back to you know everything, sort of situated.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm, kind of you know get in the groove.
Speaker 1:Got to ease into it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly right.
Speaker 1:That's awesome Anyway. Well, when we were here last week we talked a little bit about John. We talked about staying in your lane and how John the Baptist sort of stayed in his lane he didn't—everybody. He kept telling everybody no, I'm not the Messiah, and this is me, that's your Messiah over there. And we talked a lot about that and he very well could have stepped up and took that reins and said I am the person, but he didn't. And that's sort of what we sort of got into a little bit.
Speaker 2:But we're going to do a little deeper dive into John a little bit got into a little bit, but we're going to do a little deeper dive into John a little bit. Yeah, because I think one of the best leadership principles in the early part of the book of John is from John the Baptist. It's one of my favorite sayings in the entire Bible John, chapter 3, verse 30, where he's talking about Jesus and he could have said yes, I'm the Messiah. I don't know who this guy is, but he said these words which are so powerful. He said he meaning Jesus, he must increase and I must decrease.
Speaker 2:Now, wow, what a powerful statement and what a great leadership principle for those of us who have an opportunity to lead other people in whatever. And so for me, the main leadership principle is do I see my job as a leader to lift other people up or do I need the focus? Do I need the attention? Do I need the praise? Do I need the accolades or is my focus to help other people get those praise, lift them up, encourage them? And I think it makes a difference between the type of leader people are is depending upon. Is it all about me and me getting the honors and accolades and the trophies and the things on the wall, or do I want my people to have that and that's just a really powerful lesson here from the book of John.
Speaker 1:Yeah, 100%.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so when you're dealing with leadership classes, how do you address that from a business point of view? Whether it's a home builder or anybody else that you teach, how do you focus on that particular topic when you teach those leadership classes?
Speaker 1:Well, you mean, as far as surrounding people, not being the center of attention and giving your other people on the pedestal, it's a multi-part step, right, you know, multi-step process.
Speaker 1:Basically Because you know one of the first things I always say is surround yourself with people that's smarter than you, that has some of your weaknesses, they fill in your weaknesses. You don't want a clone of yourself, you know, even though it's good and you're like hanging out with that person, but that isn't going to help you in business. So if you can get everybody that is and build a team that you know where your weaknesses and where this person weakness and this person weakness and that's their strength, then it's sort of natural Right. Because then at a point I'm going to give you kudos because you're taking the stuff that I don't want to do and you're excelling at it and I think one of those things if you surround yourself with good people, it's real easy to put them on a pedestal and not yourself. And I always cite a lot of the people, a lot of the leaders out there. They didn't take the credit, you know and we could go on everybody.
Speaker 1:You know tons of different people and cite those, but I think the most successful people are the ones that really build the team up. And if you don't take the time to build a team up, to be able to give everybody kudos, then you're never going to operate as the word of a team, you're just going to be individuals working, and I think that's so important and it's a leadership, and I'm not saying that it's easy. You know somebody that's young. I mean, when I was young I didn't know, I didn't understand that. You know, I've never been a person that really had to have that kudos.
Speaker 2:But when I was young, there were some times you know cause I had a lot of people say, hey, let me, let me be your business partner and I was like I don't want you to be my business partner, right?
Speaker 1:No, just starting this company, why would I want to bring a business partner? Now, in hindsight, Absolutely, that person had the strength he was just going to get on the phone and start calling 500 people and get a smart business would have been the smartest thing in the world. But in my head was like, oh, I don't, this is my company, right, it's my baby. I just started it, you know, like six months ago, uh, but now, as matured and business, absolutely I would have been like, yes, let's do it, let's handshake on this and let's make some money together, uh, but I mean it's, it's not always the process, it's not always easy, even for veterans, and a lot of times people can't give that away. But I'm just telling you, once you, once you cross the path and you've been in business long enough, you, you've, you're going to figure out that that's, that's the path. And and if you can, you can check that.
Speaker 1:I've got one of my coaching clients I'm working on right now to sort of tell him that and and I I've worked with him and he pretty much didn't take my advice and at that point, um, he faltered right. He had big ego in this. He was trying to build it with a big ego and now he's in a reset process with his company because, ultimately, um, he didn't, um, it didn't work out the way that he wanted. So he's in a reset rebuilding process and he just spent all that time building up and it happens.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I heard the other day on the radio. I was driving to the gym or something and I heard this conversation on the radio and this guy was like a sports psychologist. This conversation on the radio and this guy was like a sports psychologist, yeah, and he was talking about this, a similar topic, and he was saying one of the keys to success is giving other people what you want.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:So if you want accolades, okay, if you think I need it. If you start giving it to other people want accolades okay, if you think I need it, if you start giving it to other people, then it's amazing how that really builds up other people and then that just brings more satisfaction and contentment to your own life. And I think that's what John the Baptist we're talking about here is just like the real focus is for a good leader is to help other people be the best that they can be for your company right now. So when I was a pastor, my desire was I was trying to help the youth director.
Speaker 1:Last weekend yeah.
Speaker 2:I did preach over the weekend. I got a call last Thursday.
Speaker 1:Our pastor has COVID our pastor has COVID.
Speaker 2:He said hey, can you preach for me? This is literally what I said. I said are there going to be snacks?
Speaker 1:afterwards.
Speaker 2:I said I'm going to be hungry after I preach. Are there going to be snacks? He said I'll make sure there's snacks.
Speaker 1:I said I'm going to be hungry after I preach. Are there going to be snacks?
Speaker 2:He said I'll make sure there's snacks. I said, okay, I'll preach then, nice, nice.
Speaker 1:So it's good pay for retiring right.
Speaker 2:I'm looking for a meal. Get some snacks. We'll work for food. We'll preach for food. We'll preach for snacks.
Speaker 1:That's so funny, you need to blend that into the sermon right.
Speaker 2:I need to you need to get a sign. We'll preach for snacks.
Speaker 1:There you go you got the whole bag of tricks.
Speaker 2:I should put that on my Facebook page. We'll preach for snacks.
Speaker 1:I love it, but anyway, yeah and go ahead, I'm totally derailed.
Speaker 2:I am so derailed on that one.
Speaker 1:Well, here's one thing that I wanted and it sort of sparked me. I was watching a survival show over the weekend and this guy sort of turned it in. I forget his name, mr Moon or something. He's a military survivalist and everything, but I loved the way he said that. He said he, when he first got into, uh, um, the special forces, they gave him a books like snakes and insects, what you can eat, and all this stuff. It was just overwhelming because I mean, he got you know 14, 15 pages, 15 books with you know 800 pages, and he goes this isn't going to work, it's just too much. And I thought it was brilliant what he did. So what he did is he went through all the books and he ripped out all the pages of the friendly snakes, every friendly snake. He ripped them out and all he did is studied the ones that could kill him.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 1:Because if he identified them, as that's a snake that can kill me, I need to be what, but if I can't identify it, then it must be friendly.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And I thought that was brilliant. And I was thinking about what we were doing here. Think about your weaknesses and your strengths. What's the things, what are people doing and how can you streamline your leadership process. And I thought that was so brilliant that he sat there and he literally ripped out all the pages of everything and then all the food. He just left the food in there that he could eat, so he didn't have to study a hundred different things. He's like I need to look for these berries, these things and this, this, and then it was a simplified process. It was brilliant. I never really thought about it as far as putting that into survivalist and or leadership.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it's like you narrow down your focus and so, instead of focusing on everything and we talk about this a lot about setting boundaries and making priorities and staying in your lane and focusing on that- so yeah, and I think, one of the things about helping other people do well in their line whether it's accounting, whether it's sales, whatever it could be, technology, whatever it may be is helping them stay in their lane, making sure they have the resources to do their job effectively and make sure that they understand that they're valuable to the company. And so different people have different emotional needs. They might be going through a difficult thing in their family or their health or their finance or something. And if you know your people, if you take time to get to know them outside of work I'm not saying go have dinner with them, but I'm just saying know what's going on in their life they realize that you care for them and they will be more committed to you and to the company 100%.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so it's really good, it's pretty good. So snacks, snacks yeah, so it's really good, it's pretty good.
Speaker 2:So yeah, snacks.
Speaker 1:Snacks. Well, let's see, posey, I'm running a little low on snacks.
Speaker 2:I better get some snacks here in the studio I had tons of snacks here.
Speaker 1:I think your kids ate them over the summer.
Speaker 2:They did actually they said Dad, are we going to your office today Because I want some snacks?
Speaker 1:They actually did eat a lot of my snacks. I got to replenish. But, yeah, they cleaned me out. We come over here a lot.
Speaker 2:You do. So let's focus on some of the same topic, but go back in the book of John.
Speaker 1:Yes, let's go. Start at the beginning.
Speaker 2:Yeah, start at the beginning. Well, I'm going to really start in John 2. I know we talked about John 1. We talked a little bit about John 3 with John the Baptist, but in John 2, and this is in a different place in the Bible than it is in other books in John 2. Jesus goes into the temple and he cleanses the temple, and that's in John, chapter 2.
Speaker 1:Now he also makes water into wine? Yeah, he does.
Speaker 2:That's very important for some, yes, very very important chapter, but he clears the temple, and so this would be one of the things that I think really helps define a good leader. You know, jesus knew boundaries, but he was willing to address a difficult situation.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:And you know, I think good leaders are willing to address a difficult situation. They might not have to eat the whole elephant at one time, but they're willing to take steps over time to address situations. And I've met too many people that just say you know what, I'm just not going to deal with it, I'm just going to let it and hopefully it'll resolve itself. Normally that doesn't happen okay.
Speaker 2:It festers and it just becomes a bigger problem, especially if there's conflict between people, you know, personnel issues or something like that. It doesn't solve itself. You've got to sit down and address it and Jesus was very willing to address Now. He did it delicately. Now he cleansed in the temple. He didn't, he wasn't delicate about it, you know, he was really forceful about it and he wanted to make a point. And sometimes leaders have to be firm and make a point.
Speaker 1:Timing matters.
Speaker 2:Timing was really yes timing and when you do that and how you do it, and not just what you say but how you say it, your intonation of your voice, Not just what you say but how you say it, your intonation of your voice, and so all of those things Jesus is willing to do, and I think it's a very good example of leadership principles that, unfortunately, too many leaders just don't do. But just taking those small steps to address difficult situations will make everybody a better leader.
Speaker 1:Yeah, 100% yeah. So what about the water to wine? Thing I mean there might be somebody in the gym right now that is looking for water to wine. I don't know, and I'm being honest, I know I'm throwing fun at it, but tell us, okay, so this is the scenario. Tell us the scenario of this right.
Speaker 2:So Jesus goes to a wedding. He's invited His mom's there, disciples are there, and back then, like nowadays you go to a wedding, the reception would last a couple hours, right, depending upon how long the family rented the venue. Right Back then a wedding would last for days. That was just their tradition. And so, you know, they had wine and they ran out of wine and Jesus' mom comes to him and says, hey, they ran out of wine and he goes. You know, it's not my time, she goes. No, you know, I think it's good.
Speaker 2:She didn't say that, but it's like, son, you can do something about this, you know. And so he just says to the servants, he says, hey, see those jars over there, just fill them up with water. Now take some and take it to the, you know, master of the ceremony. So in that the water turns into wine. It was Jesus' first miracle and this is the, I think, the leadership principle that I get from that. First of all, the biblical principle is that Jesus did miracles, but the leadership principle and also biblical is that transformation is possible.
Speaker 1:Okay, that's a good way.
Speaker 2:So think about a person you know you might have, a person that's not performing well. The question is are you willing to invest in that person for transformation or are you just saying no, not going to happen? Do you do a performance eval? Do you do expectations? Do you set goals? Do you set timelines? You know all those kind of things. Are you really envisioning that this person is going to be better? Are you giving them a chance to be better, or are you just saying you know what? No, now the thing about it is are you coaching them? Are you helping them? Are you sending them a continuing education? Are you just assuming they're going to get better on their own?
Speaker 2:A lot of times people don't get better on their own. They need some type of guidance. They need something to say oh, that's how you do it. Okay, just thinking of let's just think of a program, excel. Just think of Excel.
Speaker 2:I really don't know how to do Excel at all. Period. Okay, I mean seriously, I have it on my computer but I very rarely use it. I don't know how. But there's some people who are just incredibly experienced with Excel and they know all the shortcuts and all this kind of stuff experienced with Excel and they know all the shortcuts and all this kind of stuff. It's like if your person in your team needs to use that, but they really have no experience, then why don't you send them to a class so they learn how to do that better? It will make them more confident, it will speed up the process, they'll have more confidence in their job, they'll know that you believe in them, and so everybody wins. It's like a win-win situation. But to me, the principle is is transformation possible? Are you allowing that to happen in your organization? Are you planning for it? Are you budgeting for it? Are you even believing it's possible?
Speaker 1:So that's one of the principles I think is from that particular passage Maybe think of transformation, as I used to be back in the seminar circuit way back when right.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And they called me up and they said can you teach Excel class? I'm like I think, so I've used Excel since it became Excel right.
Speaker 1:And they said well, you know, I looked at the thing, there was an Excel class coming to Dallas, right. And he says, well, you know, I'm like, let me. I looked at the thing, there was a Excel class coming to Dallas, right. And I said I'm going to bop in the class that Johnny's teaching, right, and I'll see what it's all about, because I had never taught that class and I bopped into the class and I've sitting there help check people in.
Speaker 1:There was room for it and and lo and behold, he starts going through this class and I'm like I don't know anything about Excel.
Speaker 2:I kept raising my hand asking questions.
Speaker 1:He's looking at me like seriously, I'm like I don't know you're teaching a good class.
Speaker 2:I need to know how did you do that?
Speaker 1:can you do? He was doing shortcuts like blink, blink, blink, blink. I'm like what, go back? And I called him up. I'm like no, I don't know anything about Excel apparently, so I won't be teaching that one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but in your business, when you're dealing with home owners and products and all that kind of stuff, you need to know stuff like that, or at least have somebody on your team that knows how to do it.
Speaker 1:I got tons of spreadsheets. I use Excel multiple, multiple times, but apparently I just take a look and I knew I don't use it as much. But I mean, this kid was brilliant at Excel. He was so over the top. I was like wow.
Speaker 2:Yeah, some people really know, but here let's just take that same thing, not with this, but the same principle.
Speaker 2:Maybe you have somebody who you just hired. You know they might not have the you know. Years ago we used to hire because of people's resume, their experience. The more I became experienced as a pastor, the more I realized, hey, I need to hire people that get along with the team, they're a good team member and they've got great personality, have energy, they bring their A game all the time and if they don't know what I want, I can teach them what I want them to do, okay. And so instead of just bringing them on and just let them go, just kind of figure it out themselves and I think Jesus was, you know, here in John, chapter 2, just like no, I believe in that a transformation is possible, and the more you invest in your people, the more the company benefits and everybody benefits.
Speaker 2:So, I think that's a really good principle.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely Wow.
Speaker 2:Wow. John chapter two. John chapter two.
Speaker 1:And we, you know, pushing up our time for just dad jokes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we should, because in John chapter three, we talk about Nicodemus, and I think that, right, there needs more time than we have allowed for this. We just got a few minutes remaining today, and so I'd really like to wait and to talk about Nicodemus next week, because I think there's some really valuable leadership principles in John 3.
Speaker 1:Plus, we had some feedback about the show. Right, Didn't you get some feedback about some of the best parts of the show?
Speaker 2:Yes, I did so on the way in today to the studio. I talked to my sister who lives in Colorado, in Greeley, and I talked to my nephew who lives in Louisville, Kentucky, and both of them were so complimentary of the show. It was so humbling. But what they really liked about the show was the dad jokes, I'm thinking well, okay, maybe we need to have more dad jokes and less Bible. I don't know.
Speaker 1:You know somebody's out there listening going. No, no, please, please.
Speaker 2:No more dad jokes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, sorry those aren't going away. They make us smile, right you know what happens?
Speaker 2:my kids like the dad jokes. They do your kids, uh, love dad joke. Do you know what happens when a doctor gets frustrated? No he or she loses his patience hey what do you call a dog that's underwater?
Speaker 1:I'm sure I should know this one.
Speaker 2:You should know this one. It sounds pretty easy, so go ahead. A subwoofer.
Speaker 1:Oh boy, I can do a couple of them. Groaners how does a train eat?
Speaker 2:How does a train eat?
Speaker 1:Yeah, how does a train eat?
Speaker 2:One card at a time, I don't know.
Speaker 1:It goes choo-choo.
Speaker 2:Oh choo-choo, okay, oh boy, you know what? Someone keeps sending me celery anonymously. I think I'm being stalked.
Speaker 1:Nice, all right, one more from me.
Speaker 2:No, I'll let you have one more. How do you make One? I can't just stop with one. Oh no, I know, it's like Lay's potato chips.
Speaker 1:How do you make gold soup?
Speaker 2:Gold soup, yeah, gold soup, I don't know, gold soup, I don't know, put 24 carrots in it. Okay, you know, I've been practicing my guitar.
Speaker 1:You have? Yeah, I got one right there for you. I know I got a busted string, I saw it.
Speaker 2:I got to fix the string. That's all right, it'll sound the same with me. Anyway, we're starting a band and it's called Blanket.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're a cover band there you go.
Speaker 1:I like it All right, you got one more.
Speaker 2:No, all right I mean I do, but I don't know if you know.
Speaker 1:Don't know if the people can handle it, so that's fine, we can.
Speaker 2:We got you know so we're right, we're the first of September, right?
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, yeah.
Speaker 2:So Humpty Dumpty had a great fall. His summer wasn't too bad either. We should have stopped before I said that one.
Speaker 1:All right, brother, all right.
Speaker 2:Let's sign off for the day.
Speaker 1:All right. Well, guys, thank you for hanging out with us and just being part of our show. Yes, About every conversation. We have a lot of fun with this. So thank you for tuning in, Thank you for being part of it. Other than that, check us out. Biblicalleadershipshowcom. What do you have?
Speaker 2:Well, I'm just going to say three weeks from Friday the 26th of September is our second anniversary of being on a podcast.
Speaker 1:That is so awesome, so we'll have our anniversary show on the 23rd. Yes.
Speaker 2:Okay, so a little bit early, but that's our second anniversary show, so, those of you who are listening, if there's anything you would like for us to focus on other than more dad jokes.
Speaker 1:Of course.
Speaker 2:For the second anniversary show.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:You know, please show. Yes, you know, please let us know. You know, send us an email. Whatever We'd love to work in, whatever you have suggestions. Now we're going to continue through the book of John. You know, the book of John. It took us four weeks to get through the book of Luke. It's probably going to take us another two to three weeks to get through the book of John. So we'll probably be in the book of John. But on that particular day, which is our anniversary, we might focus on something else, just because it's our second anniversary and we're excited to be on the air for two years now.
Speaker 1:You're just looking forward to the New Year's Eve. If you guys didn't listen to our new year's eve show, it's pretty much 100 dad jokes, it was like 120, it was so awesome yeah and I know you guys. You just got to see the spread of dad jokes over here on the side table here, you know, I got one two, three, three, three sources of dad jokes.
Speaker 2:yeah, they, they're books.
Speaker 1:They're stacked things. Hey, all right, guys, check us out biblicalleadershipshowcom. Come back, hang out with us next week and, dr Posey, take us out. Make it a great day, thank you.
