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Born Again: The Nicodemus Encounter
What happens when the teacher of teachers becomes the student? The story of Nicodemus in John chapter 3 offers profound leadership lessons about humility, continuous learning, and the courage to seek wisdom from unexpected sources.
Leadership excellence rarely comes from dramatic overhauls but often emerges from consistent, small changes applied over time. Just as a boat making a half-degree course correction will reach a dramatically different destination over a year's journey, small adjustments in your leadership approach can transform your effectiveness and impact.
Nicodemus—Israel's most respected religious teacher—approached Jesus under cover of darkness, risking his reputation to gain new understanding. Despite his elevated status and extensive knowledge, he demonstrated remarkable humility by acknowledging there was still more to learn. This encounter culminates in what may be the Bible's most quoted verse, John 3:16, encapsulating the entire Biblical narrative in a single, powerful sentence.
The Gospel of John itself exemplifies this leadership principle of differentiation. Unlike the Synoptic Gospels (Matthew, Mark, and Luke) that share similar content and structure, John deliberately takes a different approach. His unique perspective offers fresh insights and demonstrates that sometimes the most effective leadership strategy is simply to do something different than everyone else.
From establishing consistent morning routines to incremental fitness improvements, these small habit changes compound over time to create significant positive transformation. Whether it's writing down your weekly priorities instead of keeping them in your head, or committing to just ten minutes of daily practice in a new skill, the key is consistency and patience.
Have you reached a point in your leadership where you believe you have nothing more to learn? Or are you, like Nicodemus, still willing to seek wisdom, even when it comes from unexpected sources? Join us as we explore these powerful leadership principles from John's Gospel that can transform your approach to leadership and life.
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Speaker 2:Oh, a little bit more enthusiasm than last week. Yeah, exactly right.
Speaker 1:I feel a little bit better. That's good Still tired, but you know, there we go.
Speaker 2:There we go, had a good week. It was good. Yeah, it was really good. It's good to be back in the studio seeing you, brother Tim. Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 1:Exciting.
Speaker 2:Exciting Beautiful weather in Texas.
Speaker 1:It isn't too bad out there.
Speaker 2:Almost the middle of September, can you believe that the year has just flown by? It has flown by. It has flown by. It has flown by.
Speaker 1:Wow, it's crazy, right that we're running into the fall and getting into Christmas. I mean, I don't want to—we should have done a count Christmas count right.
Speaker 2:It's probably 100 days away.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's my guess. Not too many, no, not too many days. It's crazy.
Speaker 2:But years ago I was in a marathon training program and it was brutal. In the summer we met at 6 o'clock in the morning down in downtown Fort Worth or just outside of downtown Fort Worth because it was so hot, and my running coach said okay, just wait till Labor Day, because normally we have a big storm around Labor Day and it cools all the temperatures.
Speaker 2:You know, instead of 100, we won't have any more 100 degrees the high will be in the high 80s or low 90s. So in the mornings you know he was so right and I still remember that. And now we're in September and you know it's just beautiful and it's nice and you know it's fantastic.
Speaker 1:I love it because the cold fronts start getting down South into Texas and and those birds ride those cold fronts down Right, and so the bird population is big, you know, big right now. So it's, I love birds and all that stuff. So yeah sad to get so quiet during the winter. You know not that we have a big winter. I'm expecting us to have a little colder winter this week.
Speaker 2:It'll be interesting to see right.
Speaker 1:We were spoiled last year it was you know, maybe got down to 54, you know, yeah, I know it was really nice, but I don't know. I'm sort of scared on this one. I got a feeling we're going to have a little bit colder winter. I hope not so I like it warm.
Speaker 2:Well, you know, normally in this part of Texas we don't have all four seasons. Yeah, you know, it goes from summer to fall. We might have two days of winter and then it's back into spring. I mean, we just don't see too many Now. Rarely we have four seasons Rarely. But you know we'll enjoy what we got.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's exactly right, no matter what.
Speaker 2:So we're going to get back into John, but before we do John, john, john the book of John, the third week on the book of John.
Speaker 1:Third week. We might have many more on that. There's a lot of lessons and you know we talked about this on Luke and John and these early chapters. There's just so many different takeaways and different things that you can do it.
Speaker 2:And we'll get to that in just a minute. But let me just say next time you see a bull charging, all you need to do is stop and take away its credit card Of course that's.
Speaker 1:all you got to do is take away the credit card. Just going to start them early. Start them early.
Speaker 2:Start them early, Exactly right. So we're going to talk about the book of John today and we're going to, but before we get to chapter four, which I know last week I kind of finished with saying, hey, chapter four is a really important chapter and or chapter three. I mean Chapter three. Yeah, chapter three, I mean.
Speaker 1:Chapter three.
Speaker 2:Yeah, chapter three with Nicodemus. But before we do that, I'm going to circle back and talk about something that I just had in my notes here. I just haven't said it. So we have the first four books of the New Testament Matthew, mark, luke and John. They're called the Gospels, which means good news, and Matthew, Mark and Luke are very similar where they're called the Synoptic Gospels. They have a lot of similar content, a lot of similar parables. They might be in a different order but they're very, very similar. But the book of John is different, okay, and John did that on purpose. And so you read the first three and you think, and maybe I'm reading the same thing.
Speaker 1:Well, you are. It was it's very similar, right? Yes, exactly right.
Speaker 2:And there's some unique things about especially the birth stories and the birth narratives and you know, and all those kind of different perspectives. They were written at different times by different people. But you come to the book of John and it's different. Okay, it starts different, it ends different, and so let's just talk about leadership and just without even talking about a verse, let's just talk about the concept of being different. And so the question is of being different. And so the question is as a leader, are you willing to do something different? You know, as someone has said long ago, doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results, is just the definition of an insanity. And so I think a good leader is willing to take a risk and do something different. I mean, just think about this. Willing to take a risk and do something different? I mean, just think about this.
Speaker 1:I'm not a person who owns a boat, or I mean I'm not on the water very much, but if you just, I mean I've got lots of boats, I'm just not on the water, do you need a boat?
Speaker 2:No, but just think about this If you're in a boat and you just make a half a degree course correct just a half a degree it might not seem very much at the beginning, but over a year period of time it's going to be hugely different. And the same thing with leadership. You might not need to do something dramatically different than you're doing right now. It could just be something really really small different than you're doing right now. It could just be something really really small. But if you do it consistently for over a period of time it could make a huge impact on your organization. It could be simple, as on Sunday night before you get to the office, you make a list of things, your priorities for the week. Just write them down. Don't keep them in your head. Write them down, just make a practice. What is your A-list, what's your B-list, what's your C-list, what are you going to delegate this week? How are you going to do that?
Speaker 2:If you just start doing that and make a habit of doing that and updating it on a daily or weekly basis, in a year's period of time it's just going to be habit and you're going to see tremendous benefits of your own personal growth and in your company or whatever it is you're leading, and so, as someone said, I'm trying to get back into playing guitar more now that I'm retired. And you know, playing the guitar 20 to 30 minutes a day every day is so much better than trying to play it for three hours once a week. And because you get tired, then you make mistakes At least I do. You get frustrated and so it's like no, just leave it out. Someone said leave your guitar out. You get frustrated, and so it's like no just leave it out.
Speaker 2:Someone said leave your guitar out. So you see it, it's there. You don't put it away, just get it out and just play for 20, 30 minutes a day and over a year's period of time. You make tremendous progress, and the same concept is true, but the question still remains are you willing to do it? Are you willing to do something different, starting today, starting tomorrow? Just tweak, just a little bit.
Speaker 1:It doesn't take much. We were just talking about that through my son in basketball and he's in lessons and all that stuff and it's literally 10 minutes a day. We'll add up Just practice dribbling 10 minutes a day. Dribble through your legs right, 10 minutes a day. Over the course of two, three weeks it gets easier, it gets easier, it gets easier and he's starting to grasp the thought now, because when he first started these lessons he was okay, you know, but he was definitely not. You know where he is today and I say you've only been doing these for a month and a half and look how far you've came. You're hanging out.
Speaker 1:He had a group basketball thing where he got to play with other people. Now they were much better than him, but he really felt like I can. Before he would have just shut down right, because they were so far apart, but now they sort of pushed him. He crossed that point where I need to get better, dad. I need to do a little bit more. I'm like 10 minutes a day, that's all we have to do. Let's go out on the driveway 10 minutes a day and that's how you get better.
Speaker 2:That's exactly right so the question would be for you, whatever it is your responsibility for. I mean, you could be leading a softball team Okay, maybe what you need to do is make your roster the night before instead of in your mind on the way to the field. Okay, Maybe you lead a scout troop. Maybe you need to start planning your campouts a month in advance instead of the weekend before. Just something, just a little bit different, and make a huge difference.
Speaker 1:And right up your alley. You know, one of the biggest things I teach in leadership and they wonder why I teach it is you know you got to take care of you. You're number one, right, and you can speak to it. You know, but your health is. If you don't have your health, you're not going to be any good to your family, not going to get any good to your business, you're not going to be good in general. You're not going to be good in general. So I mean, health is so important and I know that you're a big marathon triathlete which is crazy to me.
Speaker 1:So that is not in my goal to become a triathlete anytime soon. But yeah, I'm a big as far as the gym, working out and walking around the block and getting exercise and keep your body moving Because it's so important. It's mental clarity all the way down to feeling good and getting things done, and it's little stuff. It's sort of like I teach in leadership. I'm like if you do this and you can start out just getting out of the shower and just doing 10 little squats right there, 10 squats and do that for 30 days and you're going to look at your legs going wow, I see a little bit of muscle definition and stuff and that gets you excited. And once you get excited and you spend that 10 minutes a day for 30 days, and you create that habit.
Speaker 1:it changes the way you think, no matter what you want to do, whether it be meditation, working out, you know, simple marketing, sending out postcards, sending out thank you letters for different things. It's just a good leadership principle to get into.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and so personally, as far as health, when we were in Alaska, our daughter's boyfriend, john, and I were just joking around because I was doing pushups and planks and stuff like that, just because I've had back surgery twice and I just need to do exercises every day, and so we were just joking around about how many pushups can you do. And I said well, you know, right now I'm doing like 20, but I increase one pushup every week, like 20, but I increase one pushup every week.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, the goal would be to have 50 pushups by a day by the end of the year. Right, I don't know if I'll make it, but I'm going to just increase one pushup a week and just do that every day and my planks. I increase 15 seconds every week. So it's like I'm just going to do it and, just like you said, it's just baby steps.
Speaker 2:Baby steps and then it just becomes a habit. But you feel better with your body. You just do better. And let's just say, for example, you haven't been exercising, okay, and you want to start.
Speaker 1:Why are you looking at me? No, I'm not. Because you're the only one in the room besides me, you want me to look back over here, no, but it's like, okay, maybe what you need to do is get up earlier.
Speaker 2:So instead of just trying to get up earlier, just set your alarm clock five minutes early, just five minutes. Next week, set it 10 minutes earlier, the next week 15 minutes early, and then just do that over time. Now go to bed at the same time. Don't go to bed at like three in the morning and get up at 5, 15. That is not going to work. It might work for a day, but it's not going to work for long. So it's like, okay, I'm going to get up at you know 6 o'clock or 5 o'clock or whatever, because I don't have time after work to do any exercise, so I've got to get up in the morning. Okay, then just set your alarm clock five minutes early. The next day next week, 10 minutes early, and before long you got it.
Speaker 1:Right, right, I don't know, man, I'm still thinking about I'm on this three o'clock wake up thing Really, yes, and it's like, oh it just it's brutal, right, because in my head, four o'clock, I can get up four o'clock all day long. Three o'clock. I'm just going to have to get up because I lay there for an hour and a half right and just frustrating, yeah, just frustrating.
Speaker 1:So I need to get up and just go to the gym because you know, my gym's open 24 hours. So I'm thinking I might just get up at 3 o'clock and go to work out at 3 o'clock, because I'm there, it's just so frustrating and you come home and your family's still asleep.
Speaker 1:Yeah, everybody else will still be asleep by the time I get home. So that's the only thing I mean. If I keep waking up, I'm just random, it's just what. I've been waking up. So I either got to start meditating in the middle of the night. I used to do that all the time and that would put me in a deep when you meditate it.
Speaker 1:Actually it's like getting double sleep for me, right? It's like intense sleep without actually being asleep in your body. I'll get the same results for me. I've always found. So yeah, so hopefully I can either do that or capitalize on that getting up. So one of the two. So it's just so tough just to go to the gym at 3 o'clock.
Speaker 2:It is 4 o'clock.
Speaker 1:I can do it, no problem. 3 o'clock just stuff.
Speaker 2:Well, so you get up and maybe meditate and then go to the gym.
Speaker 1:Yeah, maybe All go to Jim.
Speaker 2:Yeah, maybe All right, let's get back to John, chapter 3.
Speaker 1:John, chapter 3.
Speaker 2:Yeah, very important chapter with Nicodemus and Jesus. The conversation it's classic and probably one of the most quoted verses of the entire Bible is in this chapter John 3.16. Right, and we'll get to that later, but right now let's talk about the biblical principle of just Nicodemus, who he was. And so he was not just a Pharisee, a teacher. In verse 10, jesus said you are Israel's teacher, which means that he was the teacher of teachers. He was like the most respected individual in that time period for teaching people the laws and the rules of the Jewish faith, and he was so well respected that people just knew him. They just knew him. Okay, he was just a brilliant man, teacher of teachers. And yet here's the thing he goes to Jesus at night and they have this conversation about being born again.
Speaker 2:And the fact that Nicodemus met Jesus at night, that he was willing to have the conversation to me, says that he was still willing to learn. He was so well-respected, he had so much wisdom and knowledge. He was just a brilliant person. We have no idea how much his IQ was, but he was probably way up there, but he was still willing to learn and I'm thinking, wow, from a leadership standpoint, what a great lesson for everybody. It's like are we to the point where we feel we don't need to learn anymore? Or are we there thinking, you know, no, I need still, I need to learn about this, I need to learn about this topic or that topic or whatever topic. And when we get to the point where we think we're too good or too old or too what a professional to learn anymore, I think that that says something about our leadership style. So you deal with that all the time. You speak all over the country with leadership things Talk a little bit about that particular principle.
Speaker 1:Well, before I get to that, I have some questions, right, yeah, sure. I have some questions, right? Yeah, sure. So when Jesus come to I mean, when Nicodemus came to Jesus at night he says he knows that he's the teacher, right?
Speaker 2:He knows he's from God and everything yeah.
Speaker 1:Nicodemus says that Was the powerfulness of him meeting at night. Was it in secret? Was it inwhat's the powerful at night there?
Speaker 2:Okay, so this is just one opinion.
Speaker 1:Yes, no, I'm looking for that. Yeah, because Ianyway I'll let you speak.
Speaker 2:Okay, so no just think about this you are the most respected teacher of Israel by far. You're heads above everybody else. Okay, the religious leaders, and this was early in Jesus'. Ministry. Even by then, they were suspicious of who Jesus was okay.
Speaker 2:They didn't like what he was doing. He wasn't one of quote them. He had all this attention attraction. They were hearing what he was doing. He was healing, he was performing miracles. He healed on the Sabbath. There was just things they just didn't like about Jesus. Well, nicodemus was one of them, but he was the teacher of all of them, and so this is my opinion If he had gone during the day and other people would have seen him, that could have lowered his reputation and given him less value or less credibility in other people's eyes. So he went to Jesus at night. So that, partly because he wanted to not just be secret about it, but he wanted. I think he was like what, if other people see me, I need to. I want to know about this person, I want to hear what he has to say, but I also need to think about my own reputation.
Speaker 2:So I'm going to do this, but I'm going to do it in secret and obviously Jesus you know it was just Nicodemus and Jesus, so Jesus had to tell John about it At some point. We don't know when that conversation happened, but Jesus had to tell John, or told somebody who told John, and that's how we know from the Scripture that this happened. So other people think there might have been other reasons, but I think my opinion was one of the things that Nicodemus was trying to do was trying to protect his reputation from being tainted or scarred or whatever from the other people he was teaching.
Speaker 1:Okay, does that make sense? Yeah, yeah, 100%. That was just one of the questions I always had, you know, and you're a little bit more of a scholar on this stuff than myself and I just thought I'd like to get your take on that. You know, and I assumed it would be something similar to that. I mean, that was the only thing I could think of why they'd be meeting at night. But I didn't know. I didn't want to assume that there might have been another something there that I didn't know.
Speaker 2:But what's interesting? In verse 2, Nicodemus says to Jesus Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher, come from God.
Speaker 2:Now not everybody believed that. Okay, not all of the rabbis, pharisees, sadducees. They didn't believe that he had come from God, for no one can do these signs that you do unless God is with him. So the thing that we don't know is, who is the we in that particular sentence? And so it could have just been him and a few of the other people, but he was already gaining a reputation that unless God was doing this, there's no way anybody else could do this. Okay, so Jesus' reputation preceded him.
Speaker 2:Nicodemus was thinking I need to talk to this guy, so let's just meet Now. We don't know how that meeting got set up, we don't know how long it was, you know of, you know how they got initiated. We don't know any of that. We just know that Nicodemus met Jesus at night. So my hunch is that Nicodemus initiated that somehow, some way, and Jesus said of course and here's the thing about Jesus he was willing to talk to anybody. I mean anybody. And very next chapter we'd see him talking to this woman who he met at, a Samaritan woman at the well. So he talks to the highest intelligent person of the day and he talks to one of the lowliest, common person of the day Jesus was willing to talk to anybody. And what a great leadership principle. Are we willing to talk to anybody? And what a great leadership principle. Are we willing to talk to anybody in our organization? Or do we just say you know what? No, they're not worth my time. So everybody was worth Jesus' time.
Speaker 1:One of the things that made me smile in here is that you can relate to personalities. You can relate to personalities and when Jesus told Nicodemus that he has to be born again, nicodemus took it literally and that confused him, right, and you instantly know that he's so smart that some of the smart people, the literal stuff, they don't know if it's sarcasm or not, or if there's a different meaning. They're like what do you mean by this? How's that possible? Right, and so, instantly, you well, I was, you know, because I teach this stuff I instantly looked at him like I know exactly who Nicodemus was, based on that one statement that he took it literally, you know, and it's like, because he's a factual person, you know, and he was going into that. So that made me smile.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, well, you know different people, you appeal to different ways, and Jesus was telling the truth and he was telling it in a way that he believed needed to happen, but he was talking about spiritual birth, not physical birth, and he was saying that everybody needs to have a spiritual birth.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and he was sort of foreshadowing John 3.16 in a way. Right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly right, and that's one of the John 3.16,. You know, for God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. That is probably one of the, if not the most quoted verse in the entire Bible 100%. Yeah, and rightly so. It's kind in the entire Bible. 100%. Yeah, and rightly so. It's kind of the entire Bible in one sentence, right there.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, it is.
Speaker 2:It's like, yeah, so anyway. So hey, we probably should stop, you know, tell some dad jokes.
Speaker 1:You know you don't want to just keep plowing through.
Speaker 2:We could because there's so much in John chapter 3, john chapter 4, with the woman at the well.
Speaker 1:And you know it's just, Next week is another week, it is yeah.
Speaker 2:And just before we get off some dad jokes, just remember those of you who are listening that here on the 23rd of this month is our second anniversary show of this month it's our second anniversary show, so if you have anything you want us to focus on, just email us at biblicalleadershipshowcom and we will work that into the show. There might be some questions or something like that that you have. We'd love to you know a dad joke? Please send your dad jokes. Yes, please, please send your dad jokes.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, please, please, send your dad jokes. We do get some dad jokes, and so it's pretty makes us smile.
Speaker 2:Well, you know, speaking of that, this is fall. You know you have football going on. You have nowadays that any sport is almost a year-round sport Almost Basketball's year-round. You have your off-season track. There were some kids at the junior high that were working on their track running and they were working on their hurdles. And there was one little kid who was afraid of the hurdles. I said don't worry about it, you'll get over it.
Speaker 1:Oh boy, oh boy. All right, let's see. I don't know if I have any. I'm trying to see if I have any you don't have any dad jokes. I got another one, I've got them. It's just, I got a whole bunch of groaners.
Speaker 2:You know I think I have the world's worst thesaurus it's. Not only is it terrible, it's terrible.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, I was just looking, I've got. No, I can't even say that one it's. It's so groaner.
Speaker 2:Oh, you have good, don't do it.
Speaker 1:Cause I'm going to do a groaner.
Speaker 2:You know, if you are a person that's afraid or scared of elevators, there are steps you can take.
Speaker 1:I know a lot of people are afraid of it. I mean multiple, multiple people yeah well you know. Yeah, I was talking to one of my friends. I'm like I have to go, you know, run around and go someplace. He's like no, I can't because you'll like no, I don't do elevators. I'm like what?
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, you know parallel lines have so much in common. You know, parallel lines have so much in common.
Speaker 1:It's a shame they'll never meet. I knew that one.
Speaker 2:Okay, I'm ready.
Speaker 1:I am so ready. Why did the?
Speaker 2:guy bring a donkey home. Why did the guy bring a donkey home?
Speaker 1:Yes, I don't know, because he thought he might get a kick out of it.
Speaker 2:I told you I got some road runners. Oh, that's a bad one, yeah, oh.
Speaker 1:What happened when my friend told me he was turning vegan.
Speaker 2:I have no idea.
Speaker 1:I said that's a big missed steak.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 1:It's a carnivore joke.
Speaker 2:You know I was thinking about. I have, you know, a car that's, let's see, now five years old. It's got about 75,000 miles on it. I saw an ad the other day for a DeLorean. I hadn't seen a DeLorean in a long time. Yeah, it was in really good shape. It's only driven from time to time.
Speaker 1:All righty that's good.
Speaker 2:That's probably should stop right there. We should stop there, they're like oh no. All right, okay, one more thing when does seaweed look for a job?
Speaker 1:Seaweed? I don't know.
Speaker 2:In the kelp one heads no.
Speaker 1:I hit the wrong button on that one, I'm like, no, that's bad. Why'd you hit the no? No, all right guys, we still need the gong sound.
Speaker 2:Remember the gong show.
Speaker 1:I keep saying I'm going to do that. I got to put that on the list the gong show. I keep saying I'm going to do that.
Speaker 2:I got to put that on the list. The gong show Download it. I bet you can.
Speaker 1:I can, I can. I actually got a let's see.
Speaker 1:No, I can't get to it real fast I actually have a gong on one of my computers but I have to work on that. Check us out BiblicalLeadershipShowcom. Other than that, let us know if you have any prayer requests, anything we need to help you with. If you need a preacher, Posey does work for snacks. If your church needs things from last week, you know that. Other than that, guys check us out Biblical. If you know that Other than that, guys check us out at biblicaldealershipshowcom. Dr P. Thanks Al. Hey, make it a great day. Thanks, guys.
