The Power of Perspective: Shifting from "Have To" to "Get To"

Have you ever considered how a simple shift from "I have to" to "I get to" could transform your leadership approach and your team's engagement?

The journey of leadership isn't just about reaching destinations—it's about finding meaning in each step along the way. As Dr. Posey and Tim explore John chapters 7-8, they unpack how Jesus modeled this perspective perfectly: staying true to his mission despite opposition, balancing thoughtful analysis with decisive action, and showing compassion when confronting mistakes.

One particularly moving story involves a woman undergoing chemotherapy who, when asked to sign in at her doctor's office, responded: "I don't have to sign in, I get to sign in." This profound shift in mindset illustrates how great leaders transform obligations into opportunities—not just for themselves, but for their entire teams.

The hosts share practical leadership applications, from Thomas J. Watson Sr.'s famous response to a million-dollar mistake at IBM ("I just invested a million dollars in that man's education"), to strategies for giving meaningful feedback that doesn't rely solely on annual evaluations. They explore how giving people proper authority and accountability can dramatically change attitudes and performance without expensive training programs.

Whether you're leading a team of one or one thousand, this episode offers actionable insights on creating environments where people genuinely look forward to their work. By addressing issues promptly, protecting the vulnerable while challenging them to grow, and finding the sweet spot between analysis and action, you'll discover how biblical principles translate into extraordinary leadership results.

Check out biblicalleadershipshow.com to connect with us and continue the conversation. And yes—feel free to send us your best dad jokes!

Transcript

Welcome and October Reflections

Speaker 1 0:11

uh-huh now, yeah, uh-huh, yeah, come on, come on, alrighty, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome.

Speaker 2 0:32

Welcome, welcome, welcome, Welcome welcome.

Speaker 1 0:35

Welcome to another exciting episode, hi, dr Posey hey.

Speaker 2 0:40

Tim, how you doing there, brother. Good to see you. It's good to see you Good to be seen and it is October.

Speaker 1 0:46

October, can you imagine? I?

Speaker 2 0:47

cannot believe it's already October. I mean, it's like the first three months. We got three months left in the year. Nine months are gone.

Speaker 1 0:55

We're going into Halloween, christmas holiday season.

Speaker 2 0:58

We're starting right, it's like once October 1st comes, it just seems like the days just accelerate faster Because it's like wham we're already at Halloween, and then you blink and you're at Thanksgiving and you blink and it's like you're opening presents under the tree. I mean it's crazy.

Speaker 1 1:18

And you blink and it's our New Year's. Eve show where we do all dad jokes. That is awesome sure where we do all dad jokes. That is awesome. Yeah, dr p's favorite favorite, other than our our anniversary a couple weeks ago uh, going into, uh, that way, if you're not familiar, we just do an all dad joke show we?

Speaker 2 1:36

I don't even know if we talked to me anything last year. I don't think so. I don't know.

Speaker 1 1:40

I think we might have threw a couple Bible verses in there, but pretty much dad jokes.

Speaker 2 1:44

It was just dad jokes.

Speaker 1 1:45

We just had fun because it was like our thing. We were pre-recording that one and then just getting it all ready for the holidays.

Speaker 2 1:53

And we just had fun and did dad jokes the whole time we did and it was so much fun. So we're not going to do that today.

Speaker 1 1:59

We're not. It'll just be three quarters. Dad jokes that It'll just be three quarters. Dad jokes that's exactly right All right, okay, dr P's still got his stuff all laid out in the studio here.

Speaker 2 2:07

so he's good. One, two, three, four, Four sources for dad jokes.

Speaker 1 2:13

It's insane.

Speaker 2 2:15

You know I like to do show prep he does like to do.

Dad Jokes and Life Philosophy

Speaker 1 2:18

I do show prep on the word right and Dr P does dad joke show prep because he knows the words. So we've got to do what we've got to do here. But other than that, thank you for listening to us, Thank you for joining us. If you weren't familiar, we're rolling into our third year it's crazy, right. So it's been a journey. It's been a fun journey. We're having a great time doing it. But biblicalleadershipshowcom check us out. But we are working through the book of John, but we're not going to get into that yet.

Speaker 2 2:53

No, we can't.

Speaker 1 2:54

Because we have some priorities. We have a show schedule, right. We have things that have to happen before we get into the Word of God, and that includes dad jokes.

Speaker 2 3:06

Yes, so I just have a few hundred.

Speaker 1 3:09

I mean a few, a few hundred, okay.

Speaker 2 3:11

So why is Yoda such a good gardener? Now you've got all kinds of Star.

Speaker 1 3:18

Wars stuff in your office. I do have lots of Star Wars stuff, okay, so why is Yoda such a good gardener? I do not know the answer to this.

Speaker 2 3:27

Oh, you should know this one Okay, because he has a green thumb.

Speaker 1 3:32

Oh my gosh, I don't know.

Speaker 2 3:35

Yeah, so did you hear about the sensitive burglar?

Speaker 1 3:40

Oh sensitive burglar Got his feeling hurt, or?

Speaker 2 3:46

something. No, he takes things personally. Oh, boy, okay.

Speaker 1 3:54

How do celebrities stay cool? You should know this one.

Speaker 2 3:58

Celebrities stay cool.

Speaker 1 4:00

Yeah, I don't know. They have lots of fans.

Speaker 2 4:04

Oh, that's it. Oh, my goodness. So what did the boy volcano say to the girl volcano?

Speaker 1 4:15

I don't know.

Speaker 2 4:16

I love you Well you're going that one.

Speaker 1 4:20

What's Tornado's favorite game? Oh, I've heard this one.

Speaker 2 4:24

I don't remember that twist. Yes, did you remember playing twister when you're? Yes, I mean, I played it recently in my kids right oh gosh, I can't do harley, oh it's, I can hardly put one two feet down, you know, and then you have to put a hand down. It's like oh I can do it, but I'm not getting up.

Speaker 1 4:43

I was talking to my best friend. He's getting back into the weight room and lifting. He's like yeah, he said I was doing this much on the squats. I'm like squats. I said he goes where are you at? On squats, I'm like well, about 20 pounds below my body weight currently, but I'm trying to get there right. Standing up out of chair. Oh, I know.

Speaker 2 5:03

I need a chair with armor on right Gosh, so I'm going to try to get up to my body weight soon right, oh wow. So where did the cat go when it's lost its tail?

Speaker 1 5:17

Oh, where did the cat go when it's lost its tail? Round and circles.

Speaker 2 5:23

The retail store.

Speaker 1 5:26

That's pretty good. I like that one. I'll give you a good one. Oh my goodness.

Speaker 2 5:30

All right Okay.

Speaker 1 5:34

One more. You got one more. No, I mean.

Speaker 2 5:39

Okay, so this is not necessarily a joke. I think it's going to be like a springboard into our podcast.

Speaker 1 5:47

Oh, this is good. I like springboards. Good setup, right.

Speaker 2 5:50

Yeah, it is. So it's going to be a setup, whether it actually fits or not, okay.

Speaker 1 5:56

Okay, so here we go.

Speaker 2 5:57

Some people wait all day for 5 o'clock. Some people wait all week for Friday. Some people wait all week for Friday. Some people wait all summer for winter, some people wait all winter for summer and all of life or happiness. Don't let the pursuit of tomorrow diminish the joy of today. That's it today. That's it. So just think about it.

Speaker 1 6:30

Some people are always waiting for the next thing, right, I'm glad you put that in there.

Speaker 2 6:35

No, they're always waiting for the next thing you got. To enjoy the moment.

Speaker 1 6:39

Yeah, exactly right.

Speaker 2 6:40

And so let's just talk about how that works.

Speaker 1 6:43

Well, I was thinking the same thing One time. My boss told me to go have a good day, so I went home. So you went home, yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 6:53

No, but it's like some people are always waiting for the next thing. I remember growing up, I couldn't wait to get out of elementary school, then I couldn't wait to get out of junior high. I couldn't wait to get out of high school, couldn wait to get out of elementary school, then I couldn't wait to get out of junior high. I couldn't wait to get out of high school, I couldn't wait to get out of college.

Finding Joy in the Journey

Speaker 2 7:13

It's like I didn't realize when I was growing up that there needs to be some joy in the journey, not just the accomplishment of the goal, and I didn't learn that. I'd learned that too late, and I think that's one of the things that we can learn from the Scripture is that Jesus enjoyed the journey. He knew how it was going to end, he knew it was going to be crucified, he knew it was going to be resurrected, but he was enjoying the journey. And so we get to chapter 7. I mean, yeah, chapter 7 of the book of John, and there's just several different stories, unlike John chapter 6, you know, there was a small story about walking on the water, but the majority of the chapter was talking about the feeding of the 5,000.

Speaker 2 7:57

And the symbolism of all of that In John chapter 7, there are several different stories kind of put together.

Speaker 2 8:04

John chapter 7, there are several different stories kind of put together.

Speaker 2 8:06

And so if we, you know, look at that from a leadership point of view, sometimes we see all these things we have to do, you know, we have to meet with accounting, or we have to meet with our project manager, we have to do this and we don't realize there can be joy in that do with this and we don't realize there can be joy in that. I heard something the other day on the radio that to me is a perfect, let's just say, segue into John chapter 7, okay, so this DJ was talking about going to. She had to go to the oncologist because there was some potential cancer that she might thought she had and she was sitting there in the waiting room and this woman who obviously was going through chemo okay, I think it was for breast cancer comes up to the counter and we've all been there to the doctor where we sign in, and the lady behind the counter said to this woman um, you have to sign in. And the woman who was going through chemo said no, I don't have to, I get to.

Speaker 2 9:24

And I thought, wow, just the change in perspective, you know, was just shocking to me. I was driving and I was like, wow, what an attitude is that? That is amazing that, just a simple shift in attitude. I get to do this, I don't have to, I get to To me. I think one of the challenges of a leader is to help change the perspective of our people. So, instead of, oh, I have to go to work, no, I get to go to work. So the question is, how can I help people change their perspective from the have to to get to? And Jesus was just an amazing person with that. And so in John chapter 7, we talk about there's the feast. And then they were Jesus was teaching and some people were questioning him as authority and all this kind of stuff, and it just was. It could have been a challenging time for him. He stayed on mission. Right, he stayed on mission.

Speaker 1 10:37

You know he didn't worry about what the public opinion was, because that for him he stayed on mission. Right, he stayed on mission. You know he didn't worry about what the public opinion was because that was a divided. He didn't adjust his truth to fit the expectations. You know there was a lot of stuff on. You know how he should do this and you know, and his words, you know, provoked a lot. You know, and that's what you want to do is you've got to stay on mission.

Speaker 1 10:59

I think back so many times that when I said when I was going to go in business for myself, or those times where every entrepreneur has, where I was trying to figure out how to scrape two nickels where I could actually eat I've told the story here but we'd go to Taco Bell and get a 69-cent taco or a 99-cent burrito back there and we'd eat that for taste. But then we'd live on spaghetti and mustard the whole week, me and my roommate, when we were starting businesses, because there wasn't anything to eat. We just needed a substance to make it through. We needed gas money and all our people got paid before we, as the owners of the company, got paid, and it was there. And that's one of those things. We stayed to it. I had a lot of people say, hey, you came out of corporate. I mean, you can go back to corporate tomorrow and make stupid money, right? That's not where we're going, that's not what my mission is, and I'm going to stay true to this right.

Speaker 2 11:55

Yeah, and so Jesus stayed true, and I think what the leader does is help people stay true, and part of that is helping some not everybody change their mindset from a have to to a get to. And so the question is what can you do for your team? Whether you have a team of one, you know, you and another person, or you have a team of 100, hundred or a thousand, what can you do so they would look forward to coming to their work? I don't know what that is, you know, for you. For some people it's all about the money. Other people it's job satisfaction. You know, and so is it. Is it their equipment need to be upgraded? Is there? Is their work environment need? Is there too many? Is it crowded? Is it crowded? And so it's like I encourage you to just sit down with your people and listen to them and see what it will take for them to enjoy coming to work more it might be that you have fresh coffee.

Speaker 2 12:52

I don't know what it is, I'm not a coffee drinker but for some people.

Speaker 1 12:55

That's what it is. We've got to work on that, dr B Got to work on it, and then it's exactly right. Coffee would be a good one, and I know this is crazy. This is crazy, dr B.

Speaker 2 13:07

What's that?

Speaker 1 13:08

But we're going to do more than just one. We're going to actually go to maybe John 8. Oh, John 8. I'm ready.

Speaker 2 13:19

I mean, do you think we can do more? I think we can do more than one chapter, more than one chapter.

Speaker 1 13:22

Yeah, more than one chapter. I don't know, john 8. I mean, if you've been listening, in the last few shows we've literally did one chapter per week.

Speaker 2 13:31

But there's so much stuff.

Speaker 1 13:33

Yeah, john 7 has a lot. But I mean there was so much in 6 and 5 and 4 and all that stuff. It was just in 3 especially and now we're rolling into 2. Can we do 3? I don't know.

Leadership Lessons from John 7

Speaker 2 13:48

No, that's not going to happen. We don't want to stretch it right. Well, let's just say— We'll see. Let's give a little background in John 8.

Speaker 2 13:56

Yes, okay, this is one of the stories that is pretty revealing about the character and nature of Jesus. And so there was a woman who had been caught in adultery. We don't know how all that happened, we just know that it happened. Caught in adultery, we don't know how all that happened, we just know that it happened. And so the religious leaders brought this woman to Jesus, placed her there in their midst, and the law of Moses that stated that she should be stoned to death. And so they were asking Jesus, what do you say? Because we see in the previous chapter that they were questioning his authority, they were questioning who he was, and so he said you know what do you say? You know what do you say we should do this woman. And so let's just stop right there, because the thing that is important to realize is that Jesus didn't just make a quick decision. He didn't say okay, this is what we need to do. He took the time to analyze the situation. Now he knelt down, he wrote on the ground, those kind of things, but he analyzed the situation. Now he knelt down and he wrote on the ground you know those kind of things, but he analyzed the situation and so I think good leaders have take the time to analyze.

Speaker 2 15:26

Now we were talking about this before the show that you know, there's a fine line between the need to analyze and the need for action, and some people lean one way and some people lean another way. So you might have some people on your team that are just they always need more data to analyze and just more and more and more they cannot. It's very difficult for them to take action. And other people they don't. They just look at something and they make instant decision and they go into action.

Speaker 2 15:59

So you need a balance of both in yourself, I think, first, but also on your team, and getting them together so you have the people that are very analytical, can think about it from all different angles, and then the people who can come up with okay, if we analyze it this way, then I see two options. If we analyze it this way, I see three options or four options. So then it's obviously many times the leader's job to make the decision, but if you just sit there and analyze and analyze and analyze and never take action. That can really be a problem. And if you analyze very little and take action too quickly, that could cause problems. So there needs to be a balance and Jesus is a perfect example of this chapter right here. He analyzed the situation, then he took action. So you teach leadership all over the country. Give us some insight from your experience on this very topic. When you're teaching, you know people in leadership and you know analyzing and those kind of things.

Speaker 1 17:04

Well, I mean, as you were talking and you were talking about that, I think that's one of the biggest things that I pulled out of this as well is you know, strong leaders protect the weak. You know they challenge them to grow and they give them the resources. We talked about this a little bit last show. Is, you know, do you, are you the one hindering your people? Are you giving the resources or are you the one that's hindering them from growing? And I, I think this one of the, the ways that, uh, you look at this is you got to balance. There's a, there's a happy medium here.

Speaker 1 17:36

You know, I've seen so many things happen as far as, um, I've had clients, I've done I do consulting a lot with businesses and and, uh, the leader will be like I really I'm bringing you in because we really need to fire this person and we're going to do one last ditch effort to uh, have you do some coaching, personal coaching and stuff, and and, um, and I'm like you don't need me. They're like, yes, we do, we're getting ready to fire. I'm like, no, here's what you do and I'll analyze the business and I'll do like that and take time to look at it and I'm like here's what I want you to do. Instead of bringing me in, I'll come in, but I also want you, at the same time, to reorganize and give this person a raise. And they're like what are you talking about? We're getting ready to fire this person. I'm like you need to give this person a reason to be invested in your company.

The Woman Caught in Adultery

Speaker 1 18:26

Right now, he just sees himself as a indispensable thing. You're putting it out because you know you want to fire him and all this. And I said do this, make him in charge of something. It can be small, but give him the authority to be in charge of. You want to fire him and all this. And I said do this, make him in charge of something. It can be small, but give him the authority to be in charge of something. And they're like, okay, crazy boy, we'll do this and they'll do it.

Speaker 1 18:47

And then instantly, within a week, that whole attitude's changed. He wants to be part of the company, he wants to invest in his time and his effort. And sometimes it's that mindset of changing somebody's mindset just that little bit, you know, and everybody thinks, oh, we need to come in training and coaching and all this. And sometimes you could be the hindrance of not giving that person authority and just seeing them as the one of the low hanging fruits that you need to get rid of, instead of taking and investing in them as a person and changing their attitude.

Speaker 2 19:19

Yeah, and so if you're willing to do that, you know it can be a benefit to not just the person but to the whole company. And then also, what is the message that's shared with the whole team? Right, it's like, wow, that boss really made a wise choice and they believed in that person. They gave them a second chance or a third or fourth chance or whatever, and the whole company is better for it. So that's really good. But it takes someone like yourself or someone to analyze the situation, and I'm sure that you've had, and I've had, people I won't share names, but I've worked with people that they are so they have such a need to analyze that they are frozen in analytical research.

Speaker 2 20:07

And they always need one. You give them a deadline. I need this by Wednesday night before you leave for home. I need this done because we need it for next Monday. I want to prep for next Monday or whatever, and Wednesday comes, they're not done. Thursday comes, they're not done. I just need to look at one more thing, one more thing. And they're just hesitant to take action because they have to keep analyzing. And on the other end, you have people that just look at something and make a quick decision, and sometimes they're right and sometimes they're just wrong, and so that's why you need a balance of both. And you came into that company and you helped them look at the situation, but you also recommended some action. They took it and it was great.

Speaker 1 20:51

Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2 20:52

So Jesus is here, he's analyzing the situation. This woman's caught in adultery. The religious leaders say hey, what do you recommend? And he gets down, he writes on the dirt and there's a big lesson in that that I know we've talked about at another podcast and so he goes yeah, whoever hasn't sinned, you cast the first stone. And how profound is that, oh, my goodness. One of the most profound things in the entire book of John.

Speaker 2 21:27

And so what it says is the leaders dropped their stone and walked away the elders ones first because they had looked at their own life and realized you know, I might be doing the same thing or there's no way. I'm guilty, I'm not free of guilt, so I'm just. I got busted, you know. And they walked away. And then Jesus says hey to this woman, where are your accusers? And she said they're not here. And he goes well, go and send them more. So what compassion. This woman obviously made a mistake, and Jesus wasn't condoning it by any means, but he didn't condemn it. He said hey, I'm going to give you a second chance. And so the question is when people make mistakes, leaders, I've made plenty of mistakes. I've made plenty, sure.

Speaker 1 22:23

I mean, I'm saying that about you and me, of course. Of course I've made mistakes. We don't have enough time today to talk about mistakes.

Speaker 2 22:30

But when someone makes mistakes, the question is how do you address that? Okay, and Jesus was willing to confront the accusers. So if someone makes a mistake, are you just going to ignore it or are you going to actually confront it? And so you know, when you do a quarterly eval or yearly eval, whatever it is, there really should be no surprises with that.

Speaker 1 22:59

That's exactly right.

Speaker 2 22:59

Because you should be up to date on this. Like yes, 10 months ago, I remember this. It's like oh, why didn't you bring it up 10 months ago? That's a problem. So there should be some confrontation of issues pretty quickly so people are not caught off guard when it's time for their evaluation.

Handling Mistakes in Leadership

Speaker 1 23:21

Yes, I talk about that all the time. It's like people do these yearly evaluations, I'm like, and they just scramble, they come up with what happened in the last 30 days. That's what they write the goods and the bads on. These leaders have no notes of what happened the first year. The middle of the year, they just, oh, I need to write something for my evaluation. And most evaluations are really just sort of bogus and they're actually demotivators to people because you know you just write what's happened in the last 30 days. You didn't remember the big sale that this salesperson made in March that made the company $3 million. You just know he hadn't sold anything in the last 30 days or whatever. And you're doing evaluation and it's just. You know you got to do it more often than once a year, once a quarter. You need to be having weeklies, bi-weeklies. You as a leader need to be making notes and analyzing everything and be prepared for that. So it's actually good feedback for people.

Speaker 2 24:16

Yeah. So I just want to. We might need to close us this section before we get to some dad jokes, but I just want to share this very thing about, you know, confronting mistakes and how do you handle someone that's made a mistake. Very famous story of Thomas J Watson senior, who was the, at that time, the head of IBM. Okay, the head of IBM, okay. So during this was many years ago, ibm desperately needed some sales. A salesman lost a very crucial contract, potentially costing IBM lots and lots of money. So the salesperson immediately went to the CEO, thomas J Watson Sr, and presented a letter of resignation and Watson's response without opening the letter, he asked the salesman to explain the failure and after the salesman detailed the process of his mistakes, watson handed the resignation letter back to him and said he would not accept the resignation because he had just invested a million dollars in that man's education by having him learn from his failure.

Speaker 2 25:27

So that is such a classic story in leadership books about you need to address issues. Some people are afraid to address issues if they're kind of confrontational or whatever, but Thomas J Watson Sr did that very effectively and really made that person a better person and the company better today, even though it happened many decades ago. About the fact that you need to address difficult situations, not just hope they'll, you know, correct themselves and help make sure that people are accountable for either good or bad.

Closing Dad Jokes and Sign-off

Speaker 1 26:12

So anyway, that's exactly right, exactly right. And holding you accountable for some dad jokes.

Speaker 2 26:19

Okay, how many do you want? Okay, so we've just got about 45 minutes left.

Speaker 1 26:25

Yeah, 45 minutes left of dad jokes, okay.

Speaker 2 26:28

So you know, you and I, we don't have to get our hair cut too often.

Speaker 1 26:32

No, we don't, no, we don't.

Speaker 2 26:34

But what do you call a group of men waiting to get a haircut?

Speaker 1 26:41

Group Group something. Our barber queue, barbecue, I don't know. I almost want to do that one on that one, but you know it's there, you know how, when we were growing up, we went to the barbershop.

Speaker 2 26:59

Not always, growing up, we went to the barbershop. Not always, but sometimes we'd go to the barbershop and you just kind of wait your turn right. So that's a barbecue If your house does not. Some houses have the numbers on the curb. Some houses have the numbers on the mailbox, but if your house doesn't have a house number on it, you should address that.

Speaker 1 27:22

Nice, I was just thinking about when I was at the park. I was, I was, you know. We went down the park and we're flying kites with the kids and stuff, and then we started playing Frisbee and you know, you remember Frisbee.

Speaker 2 27:36

I love Frisbee.

Speaker 1 27:38

Well, I've got some of these, these little Frisbees that are like for Frisbee golf. They really go right, other than the big ones and stuff. And I was playing Frisbee and then all of a sudden the Frisbee kept getting bigger and bigger and bigger and I'm like what's going on here? Then it hit me.

Speaker 2 28:00

Oh, yes, oh, you know, okay it's tough to fool dr posey on some of these he's got. I'll bring a frisbee next time there you go okay, so, um uh, no, we're not going to do that, because you just, you just said something similar, so I'm not going to even what the banana say to the boy I don't know.

Speaker 2 28:21

Nothing, Bananas can't talk oh okay, oh, okay, that sounds pretty good. Okay, so, um, you've. I think I've said this one before, but you know I'm getting a little older than you. So someone said you finally reached your wonder years. Yeah, I wonder where my car's parked.

Speaker 1 28:46

I wonder where I left my phone.

Speaker 2 28:48

I wonder where I left my keys.

Speaker 1 28:50

We were talking about that before the show, Because I walked in the room. I walked in the training room. I was like, what did? I came in here, for I went to get my iPad, but I forgot. I'm like how is it that we remember our phone number, our address from grade school, right? But then you walk into a room you're like what was I here to get? Where are my car keys at? I know I remember the address.

Speaker 2 29:14

growing up, I was in the same house from the time I was two to the time I was 18.

Speaker 1 29:20

And.

Speaker 2 29:21

I remember the address, the phone number, but it was drilled into us back then and it's like what was my address in college. I can't remember.

Speaker 1 29:29

I just can't remember.

Speaker 2 29:32

Okay, so you heard that there's going to be a new documentary about rednecks and it's coming out pretty soon. Oh, wow, yeah.

Speaker 1 29:38

No, well, you yeah no.

Speaker 2 29:40

Well, you should see the trailer.

Speaker 1 29:44

Love it All right, you got one more to close this out, I got one more.

Speaker 2 29:50

So what do you call a lawyer that helps out cooks?

Speaker 1 29:55

Lawyer that helps out cooks. Mm-hmm, I should know this one, you should know this one. I think I should know this one, you should know this one.

Speaker 2 30:03

I think I've heard this one. You call that person a sous chef.

Speaker 1 30:07

There you go, all right, that's it. We'll relieve you of the dad jokes. Other than that, guys, check us out biblicalleadershipshowcom. Let us know if there's any kind of prayer or anything we can do or anything that we can do over here for you. We would love to help. Check us out, reach out to us, say hello, send us dad jokes, please.

Speaker 1 30:31

Always looking for dad jokes. I promise, send us a list of your best ones out there. But other than that, guys have a great rest of the week and Dr Posey, hey, make it a great day. Thank you.