From Doctrine To Daily Decisions In Ephesians

What if the fastest way to a healthier team isn’t a new system, but a clearer identity? We open Ephesians and find a blueprint leaders can live by: doctrine first, practice second. The early chapters ground us in who we are—people shaped by grace, purpose, and unity—so the later chapters can show how belief becomes behavior in meetings, hiring, feedback, and decision-making. That shift from vision to execution becomes tangible when Paul redefines leadership as equipping. Think mending nets: closing gaps, building skills, and resourcing people so good work doesn’t fall through. We translate that into modern roles and ask the tough test—could your organization run smoothly if you stepped away for two weeks?

We also dig into communication as culture. “Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouth” isn’t just a verse; it’s a management KPI. The mouth of the leader sets the weather of the workplace. We share practical ways to audit your words, model calm under pressure, and replace sarcasm with clarity so your team brings problems early and owns solutions. Along the way, we revisit gratitude for the “rope holders” who lowered us past danger—mentors, coaches, friends—and challenge each of us to become rope holders for the next person. Gratitude changes posture; posture changes outcomes.

To round it out, we explore readiness through the armor metaphor and translate it into daily habits: protect your mission with smart boundaries, invest in wellness rhythms that raise energy, and build processes that let decisions happen at the edge. You’ll leave with three concrete challenges—audit your speech for seven days, run a 48-hour time audit to spot waste, and identify one wall you can lower between you and your team. Subscribe, share this with a leader who needs it, and leave a review with your biggest takeaway so we can equip more people to lead with purpose and grace.

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Oh now.

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All righty. Welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome.

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Hey Tim, how you doing today?

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What's going on, Dr. P? How are we doing today?

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I'm doing fantastic today. A little sore. I just got out of the pool and uh I'm so impressed.

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That's my goal at least. We'll try. Yeah. I might have to go late, late, late tonight by the time I get all my work done.

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So let's just talk about that before we get into the book of Ephesians. This is episode 109. And for those of you who are joining us for the very first time, welcome to the Biblical Leadership Show. We I'm Dr. Dean Posey. This is Tim Lansford sitting across the table from me. And uh we're excited that you're here. And so if this is your first time to join us, um, we have been going through the Bible. We started uh in uh August of 24 going through each book, talking about the leadership principles of each book, and then throwing in a few dad jokes along the way. So anyway. Um by the way, I you know, I was gonna uh say that before we started, um, that um I was remembering uh a job I had in in my college years. Um, you know, I I was making some good money. I I was I made six figures in one year, um, but then I got fired from the toy factory.

SPEAKER_01 1:59

Started up early. Started up early. Started up early. Oh, sucked in. I was like, what's he, where's he going with this?

SPEAKER_02 2:05

Yeah. So anyway, um so we talk about uh the Bible and the leadership principles of every book today. We're in the book of Ephesians, episode 109. Um, but uh, you know, we're talking about uh just throwing a little exercise, and let's just say you got to take care of yourself. Yes, okay. Um and whatever that means, um the physically, mentally, morally, spiritually, emotionally, you've got to take care of yourself. Um, this is not a sprint, it's uh it's like a marathon. And and you if you take your care of yourself, eat right, physical exercise. You don't have to go run a marathon, you can go walk for 20, 30 minutes. I mean, do it during your lunch period. Um, if you don't have a thing uh like a gym close by you, then maybe just walk up and down the stairs, do something instead of sitting all day. It just helps your attitude, it helps the endorphance, it just helps so many things of your life. And um it's like for me, I'm not a natural swimmer. I didn't start really swimming until a couple years ago. But um, I'm just committed to doing that a couple times a week. Um, I'm really slow. My form is bad, but I got a good coach. But at least I'm in the pool, you know, and I'm thinking you might not ever run a marathon, you might not ever do anything. But go out, go to a shoe store, uh running store or something, get some good walking shoes, put them in your backpack at work, and during your lunch hour, especially if it's gonna start getting warmer, go outside and walk for 20 minutes. Go outside and walk for 30 minutes. Um, just do that every day if you can. Uh, if you can't, try to do it uh, you know, a couple of times a week. You will literally feel better, you'll be more productive, and uh your attitude will grow be better. And and so I just encourage people to just take care of themselves.

SPEAKER_01 4:11

Right. 100%. You know, and there's a lot of times I don't feel like it, and I talk to my clients, they don't feel like I'm like, well, and you say if if you if you don't have your health, you can't have everything else, you can't have your job, you can't have your family, you can't have you gotta take care of you, and then that's what you have to sort of do is prioritize that time and set that time away to make it happen.

SPEAKER_02 4:31

So yeah. Well, I like it. Well, you know, um on the one hand, I broke my I literally thought I broke my little finger on my left hand because it was stiff and it was hurting. Uh, on the other hand, I'm fine.

SPEAKER_01 4:50

You're just in a dad joke mode today, you are.

SPEAKER_02 4:53

Well, you know, it's February. It's dad joke month, I guess. That's exactly right. It is. You know, there's always these like national donut day, national ice cream. There should be a national dad joke mode. We should start that.

SPEAKER_01 5:07

I'm gonna have to work on that. I will work on that. I'll talk to the news guy because he's a big dad joke thing. We're gonna set us, I'm I'm gonna get hold of the got hold of him and we'll we'll figure out when is national dad.

SPEAKER_02 5:19

Why can't every day be national dad joke day?

SPEAKER_01 5:22

Yeah.

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I mean, you can't just have dad jokes once once a year. Wow.

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I know we need to make sure there isn't a national dad joke day.

SPEAKER_02 5:30

Yeah, there might be, I don't know. Um anyway, so let's get to the book of Ephesians. So um book of Ephesians uh was written by uh the apostle Paul. Um 21st of June, it looks like you know that is the longest day of the year in the northern hemisphere.

SPEAKER_01 5:52

Oh, look at that.

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Yeah, it is, and uh and so it's also my older sister's birthday. So anyway. Nice. Well, see now you see now you remember.

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Now you remember. Oh so I I I think I'm gonna have to do some more research to double check that, but it does look like it's you know June 21st. So there we go.

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June 21st, National Dad Joke Day. So we're gonna have to celebrate that. You know, we we do uh just a dad jokes series on our you know podcast on New Year's Eve, but maybe on around June 21st, we're gonna have to do just another dad joke, celebrate dad joke day.

SPEAKER_01 6:31

Oh, that's Father's Day that day. Is it really? Maybe we'll maybe we'll catch something, but it hits on Father's Day, so we'll have to do something.

SPEAKER_02 6:38

How convenient is that?

SPEAKER_01 6:39

The one before the 2016th or the 23rd, we'll have to uh put in.

SPEAKER_02 6:43

So I wonder if it's changes every year or maybe to follow on Father's Day every year.

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I don't know. I don't know.

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That's a good question.

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Anyway, that would make total sense, right?

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You know, my son, great son, great daughter, but my son keeps trying to set my clocks back. Yes. I won't let him not on my watch.

SPEAKER_01 7:08

Oh. Yeah, that's funny. So Okay. Ephesians.

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Ephesians.

SPEAKER_01 7:14

Yeah. And I, as I told you, I said I thought this was uh interesting the way it was set up because and and you can clarify a little bit more, but you know, Paul was in prison and he was writing these letters, and and uh way I understood Ephesians is that he sort of said, This is where you're at now, and then he used the word, therefore, this is where you should be or could be if you hop on the path of you know following Jesus.

SPEAKER_02 7:45

Yeah, exactly right. So really the book um is split into two main categories. And I think this is important. I don't think Paul did this for a leadership principle, but we can we can definitely pull a leadership principle from this. And and the first three chapters of Ephesians, this is six chapters long, really focus on doctrine and what God has done, um, and and those kinds of things. So Christian doctrine is the first uh three chapters. Um and and then the last three chapters is okay, how do I apply that to my life?

SPEAKER_01 8:24

Yeah, the practice.

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The practice. How do I implement this? If this is what I believe, this is who I am in Christ, how do I actually live that out on a day-to-day basis? We'll get to chapter four in in a few minutes because I do think that chapter four is maybe one of the best leadership principles in the entire New Testament, um, outside of what Jesus was teaching. And so um we'll get to that in just a minute, but uh let's just talk about leadership principles. So it's important for leaders thinking about doctrine versus practice. And so let's just think about that from a leadership point of view. Mission implementation. Okay, so there's those two should coincide. I mean, you if you have your mission, if you have your vision, this is what we want to do, this is what we're about, how do we live that out on a day-to-day basis? And and so if this is the beginning, well, we're in February, but still it's the beginning of the year, it's a great time to think, okay, what is it that we do? And I mean, literally down to everything, and how do those things that we do on a daily basis tie back to our mission? And if they don't tie back to the mission in a way that's pretty obvious, then the question is how can they tie back to the mission? Don't change the mission, don't just kind of manipulate the mission, but how can you adjust what you're doing or maybe stop doing, you know, to uh better align with your mission? I know in the church sometimes we get an a great idea and something we do, and it's really very successful, but after you do it for 20, 25 years, it begins to lunder why are we doing this? And and so it's uh good every so often to evaluate your actions to know how they fit with your mission. And that's what Paul is saying. Here's here's the here's the doctrine, this is what we believe, this is who we are in Christ, this is um what God has called us to be. And then now what has God called us to do because of that? And um, and so as you read that book, you might not have read it in a long time, but as you read the book of Ephesians, think about those two uh parts of that book.

SPEAKER_01 10:46

I like it.

SPEAKER_02 10:46

Yeah, it's really, really good. And um, and so, you know, we we talk about uh chapter one, he's talking about you know who we are in Christ, and um and so he's just grounding us in who we are. Um it's really focusing on our identity.

SPEAKER_01 11:07

Yeah, and that's sort of what I put in is you know, Ephesians builds us in in sort of this order, is what I took out of it, you know. Uh the first part identity and confidence, and then you get into unity and culture, and then you get into communication, and then wisdom, and then your your resilience and your your your spiritual readiness sort of is where I saw Ephesians sort of taking us.

SPEAKER_02 11:31

Yeah. So let's start with that identity thing. Identity should precede execution, right? And and so um, and so let's like who we are, who we are as a company, who we are as a family, who we are as a baseball team, who we are as a scouting troop, who we are as a nonprofit, who we are here, here, here. Um, I remember several years ago I helped start or not start, I restarted, helped restart and relocate a um a community food and clothing bank in the town where I lived. And and uh yeah, in ASL, Texas, just outside of Fort Worth. And um we had to set boundaries. Uh, not that we uh there's a lot of people in need um back then. Um, but we had to set boundaries. We say, you know, we're going to serve the people in the ASEL ISD area. Yes, there are people outside of that. There's there's always gonna be people that need help outside of that, but we had to set boundaries because we wanted to focus on our community. That was our mission. And and so um, you know, there's always gonna be good that you can do uh for other people outside, but we had to say no, we're gonna focus on that particular geographical area so we can focus our resources on that particular thing. I think the same dynamic is true with any business. You know, you f uh our mission is to make widgets, our mission is to to produce the best lumber uh for house building. Our our business is to you know make microchips or whatever. And you could by just because you think, oh, this might be good, let's also make some soap, you know, or something like that, um, you get distracted. You could you could lose a lot of time, money, energy into what your main focus is. So I think going back to your identity, your mission, your purpose really lays that foundation for how do you implement that on a daily basis. So um for those of you who are listening today, uh I would think um maybe it's time to rethink what is my foundational mission in life? What what am I here for? What am I about? Um and and then what how am I gonna live that out? Uh regardless of your profession, you know, um what what is the foundation of of your identity? So I I just think that's a really good thing that Paul starts out with and a great, great lesson for us all.

SPEAKER_01 14:09

Yeah, I think if you you know that and you know, as a builder, foundation's everything, right? You have to have that foundation and and your your structure will fail if you don't have the right foundation. And and I think it takes a little bit of uh sitting down and and brainstorming and thinking about it and asking the hard questions to see exactly what it is.

SPEAKER_02 14:28

So yeah, I think so too. So we're going into chapter two. So so he's continuing on that foundation of doctrine and and beliefs. And and um years ago, I was uh taking a class on how to share your faith with someone one-on-one. Uh, I learned how to do that preaching, you know, as a pastor, I learned to do that from the pulpit, but sitting down with someone one-on-one in their living room or over coffee or whatever, how how do I do that without sounding preaching? And uh Ephesians 2, uh, chapter 8, verses um chapter 2, verses 8 and 9 was one of the verses that I had learned about that. And I'm just gonna read it. Um and uh this is what Paul wrote: For by grace you are saved through faith, and that is not of yourself, it is the gift of God, not of works, lest any person should boast. And um, and so my thinking is this we are who we are as a Christian because of what Christ did. We we didn't get there by ourselves. It's not like we're self-made Christian, you know. Um so I think one of the things that we can be thankful for is who along the way helped us get where we are today. Um yes, you might have, you know, started from scratch and um uh and built a multimillion dollar business. Um you might have started from scratch and um, you know, and you just have one store and you know, you're making a fairly decent living. Um regardless, it's like somebody they might not have been in your shop, but maybe they were praying for you, maybe they were encouraging you, maybe it was your spouse, maybe it's a best friend, maybe it was a a neighbor, a coworker, somebody, a mentor that helped you, taught you, and and uh and I think one of the things that sometimes we forget is we forget to be thankful for the people who got us where we are today. Right. And and Paul's saying, no, that's you need to think. And for a Christian, it's all about Christ, got us where we are, um, saved us from our sin. And uh and so um I think it's just help it's helpful if we remember those people and be thankful for those people who helped us along our journey. It could have been a you know, a sixth grade teacher who believed in us, it could have been a a coach, it could have been an art teacher, it could have been a music teacher, um, it could have been, you know, next door neighbor. Um, I remember we had a next door neighbor growing up, Mr. Snyder. He was an avid hiker, avid hiker. And we lived in I grew up in Albuquerque, we live right at the base of Sandia Mountains. And um, even growing up, uh as a young kid, he would take us on a day of of just hiking. And he taught me a lot about hiking, even before I was a Boy Scout. And and so that just laid a foundation for that. Um and then I learned a lot from other scouts and the Scoutmaster when I was in Scouts, but I didn't just do that to learn, I did it so I could teach other people. And so Paul is saying that here. Hey, just remember who you who helped you get where you are today.

SPEAKER_01 18:00

And it isn't even, it doesn't even have to be somebody on your journey. There's just sometimes they're mentors, right? I think back of, you know, I've had a you know journey, you know, being in business for 30 years, right? But but I think about just childhood people, you know, just one thing said to me, or one one thing, or or my neighbor used to play basketball, or my dad might have said something, or my grandpa might have quoted one thing, and then it's just it doesn't take a lot, it just thinks about how it defines you, how it makes you who you are, and that those little thoughts stick in your head.

SPEAKER_02 18:32

So yeah, so it makes me think about a passage in the book of Acts, chapter nine. I know we've talked about the book of Acts several weeks ago, but but um if you're familiar with the story of Paul's conversion, he's on his way to Damascus, he's a Jewish um rabbi, he is a Pharisee, he's he's going to Damascus to arrest Christians, and on the way he has a conversion experience. He starts preaching about Christ. Um the the people there were trying to arrest him, potentially kill him, and it says that that he was lowered over the wall by a rope. Now, I'm thinking, who were the rope holders?

SPEAKER_01 19:13

Right, yeah, right?

SPEAKER_02 19:15

And and we've had rope holders in our life. Um, and we don't know the names of those people. They just held the rope at the top of the wall while Paul went down and got to safety. And all of us in our lives have had rope holders. We might not we might not remember their names. Oh yeah, I remember that baseball coach when I was eight, you know. Or I remember that tennis coach, you know, when I just or I remember this person, um, a dancing instructor.

SPEAKER_01 19:47

I did a podcast with yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:49

So so it's like we've all had them, and it's important to remember. And here's the thing think about the people that you work with, okay? Are you gonna be their role polder or are you expecting them to be your rope holder? Are you expecting to build them up or you expect them to build you up? Okay, and I think the more we think, hey, how can I build them up? That's what Jesus is talking about here. And what's Paul talking about here is that, hey, we need to build other people up. We need to be their rope holder. We need to be the one that encourages them, motivates them along their journey. And uh if we incorporate that into our just our thinking, I think we're not just a better person, we're gonna be a better leader, we're gonna be a better business, our company's gonna be better because attitude's gonna be better.

SPEAKER_01 20:40

Yeah, and attitude's everything, especially in a business, right?

SPEAKER_02 20:43

Oh my gosh, isn't that the truth? Yes, it is.

SPEAKER_01 20:46

Hire for attitude, train for everything else. That's one of my motives.

SPEAKER_02 20:49

Yeah, that's the truth. Because you can train for just about anything anymore, you know, but uh it's hard to train attitude. It really is. Yeah. And so so anyway, that's chapter two. There's so much, there's so much about uh chapter two. Um and then you know, chapter three continues uh about all of that, about the about the doctrine. Um and then we get to chapter four. Um, and chapter four is just packed with just okay, he's he makes a transition from um from chapter three uh to uh uh chapter four. And um and so this is a master class, right? This this is definitely, yes, this is definitely it. So at the end of chapter three, um uh he's finished, and then and he goes, Amen. And then and then in chapter four he goes, therefore. Um and he says, I I encourage you to walk in a manner worthy of the calling. You have been called. And and then he keeps going on and keeps going on. Um And then he says this. This is to me one of the most powerful leadership lessons in the entire New Testament outside of what Jesus taught us. Um, and then he says this um he's talking about Jesus, and this is starting with verse 11. He says, and he, meaning Jesus, gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the shepherds, the teachers, those it's called the five-fold ministry, to equip the saints for the work of ministry for building up the body of Christ until we all attain to the unity of the faith and to the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature personhood, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ, so that we may no longer be children tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness and deceitful schemes. Rather, speaking the truth and love, we are to grow up in every way into him who is the head into Christ. So let's just talk about verse twelve. Because he talks about the apostles, the prophets, evangelists, okay. So let's just change it into a little different. That's from the church language. Let's just talk about the business, the other business.

SPEAKER_01 23:05

Right.

SPEAKER_02 23:05

How about CEO, the you know, uh the financial person, the you know, the head uh uh person in charge of uh of purchasing uh those kind of things. It says here verse 12, to equip the saints for the work of ministry. So so the what Paul is saying is you have these five groups of people, you have the apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers, and and their job is to equip other people to do work. Okay. Their their ministry, their ministry is to teach other people to do ministry. And so as a as a person in in a business, you know, your job as a CEO or CFO or whatever, C O O is to make sure that the people that work with you or under you or beside you are the best they can be, that they have the right training, they have the right resources, they have the right direction, they have the right encouragement, all those things. Your job is to make them the best they can be.

SPEAKER_01 24:17

You're you're equipping the making them leaders, right? Yes. You know, it uh and you're not making the team dependent on you, you're making them the team leads, right? And it goes back to the question I've asked many companies, and and you've heard it before. If if you had to disappear for two weeks, you went to Amazon jungle for two weeks, who's gonna run your company? Would it would it collapse? Would it go under? Would it be chaotic or would it run smooth and you can leave for two weeks? A lot of people are tied to their business, they can't leave for an hour. You know, I talk to people, I consult with people, I'm like, that's not the way it is, right? No, shouldn't be that way. Shouldn't be that way.

SPEAKER_02 24:53

So here's an interesting um theological uh insight. So in the book of Mark, um, the very first chapter, Jesus is walking by the Sea of Galilee, and he sees some fishermen, and it says he sees them mending their nets. Okay. So that word mending is the exact same word that Paul uses here in verse 12 about equipping. And it's a Greek word, but here's the thing you're you're here to mend the nets so that nothing falls through the cracks. Okay. If your people are uh equipped well, if they're mending the nets, then uh you know, yes, you're gonna have surprises, yes, you're gonna have you can't, you know, predict everything, but they're gonna be equipped to handle any situation that comes up. You don't want a fishing net that has holes in it. You don't want to have a business that has holes in it. Um you wanna be have a team that has mended the net so that anything that comes at you, okay, your team can handle. And um hopefully you can catch it before it hits, you know. Sometimes you can do that, sometimes you can't. Um, but you you have trained your people to respond accordingly. And and that to me is good leadership.

SPEAKER_01 26:16

Right, 100%. And that's why I say if you empower people, you know, I I always use a reference in when I'm teaching seminars is um, and I mentioned, I think we had here before a long time ago, is you know, if one of my guys calls me, if Richard calls me and says, Hey, we got a problem out on XYZ job, right? You know, and the the first response that I have is he tells me about the problem, and first response I have is how would you solve that if you were me? Because I want him to wrap his brain around how he thinks. He goes, I don't know, that's why I'm calling you. I go, why don't you hang up, think about it, call me back with how I should handle this. And he'll do that, and he'll tell me exactly, and I'm like, that's exactly how I would handle that. Not word for word, exactly the same. And what you're doing is you're building confidence, you're building confidence in employees that they can think, they can do things. You know, I always tell people I travel, I I uh I'm in conferences for tied up for a week, and I I I'm not there for the daily decisions, and I have to have people making those decisions. No, I don't want them standing next to a client going, well, I gotta get a hold of Tim and you know, he's he's talking all day, and he'll be traveling tonight and talking tomorrow. So he'll, you know, give me 48 hours and we'll get back to you. No, just make a decision, move forward. If it's wrong, we'll figure it out. If it's right, and more than likely it's gonna be right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:38

Yeah. So let's just pick what you just said and piggyback on that and use that as a springboard to talk about verse 29 and chapter four, verse 29. So Paul says this let no corrupting talk come out of your mouth, but only such as is good for building up as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear. So you have an employee call you about an issue, whatever that issue is. Here's the thing the mouth of the leader becomes the weather of the workplace.

SPEAKER_01 28:14

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_02 28:16

And so I'm just gonna say that again. The mouth of the leadership becomes the weather of the workplace. So if you are sitting there and you get a call about an issue and you respond in frustration or hostility or sarcasm or you know, why are you interrupting me right now? I'm really busy. Yes, that is not going to build that person up, you know. Um and it's not going to, you know, let's just say uh portray confidence or trust in that individual. And potentially that person might be hesitant to call you the next time, right? Right. Yeah. So so what you say, and it's not just what you say, it's how you say it, the the tone of your voice, the attitude in what you say. And you know, you can say words a whole different way just by the the tone of your voice.

SPEAKER_01 29:16

Yeah, 100%.

SPEAKER_02 29:17

And and so just got to be careful on how you talk to people. You know, if someone knocks on your door, you have an open door policy, but if you say, hey, come in, or you can say, Oh yeah, come on, come on in. I mean, before they even say a word, they're gonna know if it's gonna be a good day or it's gonna be a bad day.

SPEAKER_01 29:37

Yeah, we always teach, you know, and and it's the tone of the voice, you know, and in communication, it's huge. And and you also got to think of your punch words, right? I can say the same sentence, and it's one of the exercises we do in one of my classes, you know. Um, uh, I am going to the grocery store. You know, it's a simple sentence, but it can read different if I go, I am going to the grocery store. I am going to the grocery store. I am going to the grocery store. So whatever you emphasize and you punch the word, a sentence can read totally different. So it's not only the tone, it's it's what words you're keying on and what you're you're really trying to build up.

SPEAKER_02 30:18

So yeah. Well, let's get to chapter six, because I think the very end of chapter six um has is a really good thing. Um might have heard this before, but uh it's really talking about the armor of God, um, putting on the whole armor, really talking about equipping a Christian to live out their daily life in a Christ-like manner. Um knowing that the enemy of God, we call sometimes Satan or the devil, is trying to do everything he can to disrupt your life and make it miserable. That's his full-time job. He's been doing it for thousands of years. He's perfected the art and anything he can do to bring you down, he's about to do it. He's wanting to do it. And so the the leadership principle I get from that is you've got to be you got to know your people because there might be something that's going on in their life outside of work that's gonna bring them down. And if they know that you know and and you're supporting them, whether you're praying with them, you're there, you know what's going on in their life, personal life, and they know that you're walking with them, that is really gonna be helpful when it comes to their attitude about work and how confident they are and that kind of thing. So I just um encourage you as a leader to get to know your people and and just let them know that you're there uh for now. If you have a company of 100 employees, you can't know everybody like that, but you can know your top five or ten.

SPEAKER_01 31:54

Unless you got the software that's on the commercial, you know, he's walking through the office. Hey, Alma Mater won this weekend, right? You know. Yeah. Three days, five years. That's great. Anyway, I don't know the name of software, but I like the commercial, right?

SPEAKER_02 32:11

So that's well, if you talk about commercials, there were some interesting commercials at the Super Bowl.

SPEAKER_01 32:16

Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Some very interesting ones. Very interesting. Expensive ones as well. Yes, isn't that the truth? Yeah. Wow. So here's here on wrapping up, you know, I put together sort of a leak uh uh leadership challenge, and uh we talked about a little bit, but uh pick one verse that we talked about, you know, or or that's in Ephesians really, and and uh look at it. Ephesians 4.29 talks about uh you know your speech, audit your speech for seven days, figure out what you're saying, how you say it. And uh Ephesians 5.16 talks about you know time wasters, you know, do a time audit, keep keep something, write it down, at least for 48 hours. You know, I always tell people do a week if you're doing a time audit, because there's a lot of stuff that happens over the course of a week. But at worst case, 48 hours minimum. And then the last one down there is Ephesians 2, is talking about that that uh what's that wall, what's that first step to remove that wall between you and your team? And and I thought those were good uh takeaways that maybe we could do something that uh give them a little challenge before we come in and hang out with them next week.

SPEAKER_02 33:26

So yeah, I I think that's awesome. Awesome. So we're gonna wrap it up with some dad jokes.

SPEAKER_01 33:33

You know, that's what I do.

SPEAKER_02 33:35

So well, you so I was talking to our son the other day, and he said, Dad, why do they call it a USB? Oh and I said, because USA was already taken. Nice.

SPEAKER_01 33:48

Uh what New Year's resolution should a basketball player never make?

SPEAKER_02 33:56

No more traveling.

SPEAKER_01 33:57

There you go.

SPEAKER_02 33:58

Oh, got it.

SPEAKER_01 34:00

Dr. Posey's tough. That's why I don't that's why I let him do it because he he's he's got 5,000 dad jokes and he knows 3,500 of them.

SPEAKER_02 34:11

Well, I've got about 600 of them right here. So uh I had someone ask me um about he can he has a 3D printer.

SPEAKER_01 34:19

Yeah, okay, 3D printer.

SPEAKER_02 34:21

Those are amazing. And he said he can actually print a gun with his 3D printer. You know, I wasn't impressed. I've had a Canon printer for years.

SPEAKER_01 34:32

Nice. I need to go get a new printer, too. So um what else you've got to do.

SPEAKER_02 34:40

Well, you know, I I'm just you got at least one or two more. I've got at least a hundred more.

SPEAKER_01 34:47

That you do.

SPEAKER_02 34:49

I do. Um and so, you know, let's just let's just um let's just think about something that uh oh yeah, okay. Let's just here's a I think this is a really, really good one right here. Okay. All right. Um why don't eggs tell jokes?

SPEAKER_01 35:14

They'll crack up. Yeah, they'll crack each other up. Oh that's awesome. See, look at that. I got that. Look at that. Oh, okay. Here we go.

SPEAKER_02 35:26

Okay. I've I've trying to experiment. Okay. Yes. Just trying to experiment. Um, and I'm thinking it's a great idea to wear two different deodorants, you know, one under each arm. Wow. Yes. But that's just my two cents. That's all I got for that one.

SPEAKER_01 35:47

I'm okay with that one. That's that's not a good one.

SPEAKER_02 35:49

Okay, here we go. Not bad. How many people have ever gotten locked out of their house or their car? It's hard to get locked out of your car now with those key fobs. You can't lock the car if you have it in your pocket or your purse or something. It's tough. But you know, you get locked out of your house. I got a great solution. If you ever get locked out of your house, you have to talk to your lock calmly because communication is key.

SPEAKER_01 36:18

Knew where that was going.

SPEAKER_02 36:21

Oh. Okay, here we go. For those those of you who love coffee, okay. I'm not a coffee person myself, but I've had two sips of coffee my entire life. We'll talk about that some other day. But here we go. Okay. The average human walks 900 miles per year.

SPEAKER_00 36:39

Right.

SPEAKER_02 36:39

Okay. And drinks 22 gallons of coffee. This means that the average human gets 41 miles per gallon.

SPEAKER_01 36:54

Oh boy. Okay. Maybe who are the greenest presidents in U.S. history?

SPEAKER_02 37:01

The greenest presidents in U.S. history. I guess the ones on the bills? No. Which one?

SPEAKER_01 37:07

The bushes.

SPEAKER_02 37:07

The bushes.

SPEAKER_01 37:09

We gotta say it just case uh president's still listening. He might be listening. You never know. So we gotta give him kudos, right? So you know you have Dallas boys.

SPEAKER_02 37:18

That's exactly right. Yeah. I'm proud of him too. Um and so you have all these, you know, you sometimes you get all these subscriptions, you know, whatever. You have Netflix subscription or you know, Hulu, whatever, all those subscriptions. But I had a Scrabble Club subscription. Yeah. Right. And I forgot to pay my monthly Scrabble Club subscription dues.

SPEAKER_01 37:43

It's to say that 12 times.

SPEAKER_02 37:44

Yeah, and now they're sending me threatening letters.

SPEAKER_01 37:49

Yeah, I've heard that one before, too. All right, one more for me. Do you know uh that the first french fries weren't cooked in France?

SPEAKER_02 37:57

Yeah, I know, because uh Go ahead. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_01 38:02

Where were they cooked?

SPEAKER_02 38:04

In Greece. Okay, here we go. Here's here's my last one. Last one of the day. I saw a pack of gummy worms that read no artificial flavors. Who buys gummy worms hoping they taste as close to the real worms as possible?

SPEAKER_01 38:23

All right, I give you that. All right, well, guys, thank you for joining us. Um uh check out our website, biblical leadership show.com, sign up for our uh newsletter. Uh send us some dad jokes, please. We got the comment form in there. Send us some dad jokes. Other than that, guys, uh, we appreciate you tuning in. Uh like us, share us, tell everybody about us. And uh, other than that, hey, make it a great day. Make it a great day, guys.