Second Thessalonians: Rumors, Resilience, And Real Work

When expectations collapse and confusion takes over, teams look to the leader to set the tone. We turn to Second Thessalonians for a grounded playbook on navigating disappointment, stopping the rumor mill, and rebuilding momentum with truth, accountability, and steady encouragement. Paul’s counsel to a church wrestling with delays and misinformation lands squarely in today’s challenges: people waiting instead of working, whispers outrunning facts, and morale dipping after setbacks.

We start by naming the emotional reality of disappointment and then move to what leaders can control—affirming what’s going right, honoring endurance, and framing a clear next step. You’ll hear practical strategies to counter bad information before it hardens into culture: verify, clarify, and communicate quickly. We dig into the power of one-on-ones before group meetings, why tone matters as much as content, and how to replace fear-fueled narratives with transparent updates that stabilize the room.

Accountability emerges as a core theme. “Those unwilling to work should not eat” translates to modern teams as fair boundaries, defined roles, and consequences that match commitments. We talk about modeling the standard you expect—walking the floor, showing up for quick check-ins, and proving an open-door policy through action. Encouragement isn’t fluff; it is fuel that keeps people moving when the scoreboard isn’t in your favor. By spotlighting growth, reframing losses into learning, and setting specific ownership for improvements, you create momentum that outlasts a tough quarter or a painful loss.

If you lead a ministry, a project team, a small business, or a youth squad, this conversation offers a simple, durable framework: tell the truth fast, stand firm in shared practices, keep people accountable, and keep working while you wait. Subscribe, share this episode with a fellow leader, and leave a review telling us where you need to stand firm this week. Your story might be the encouragement someone else needs.

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How heavy isn't? I'm just going straight into it. Yep. I do not know.

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Well, I don't know either, but lamps are normally light.

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Oh well, let's see. I'm setting my tones here.

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Really?

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And in the weekend, yeah. It's like, oh my gosh, did y'all guilt get a um a snowman? She said, Well, we built a snowman, and then it was getting warm and it started melting. And and she said, I think it just got dehydrated.

SPEAKER_01 3:39

All right.

SPEAKER_02 3:40

Uh okay, let's get on to the uh what are we talking about today? We are talking about Second Thessalonian. So for those of you joining us uh for the first time, our second, and you haven't heard about the purpose of our podcast, um, we started uh a little over two and a half years ago. Yeah. And uh we have been going through different topics uh talking about the Bible and the leadership principles found in each book. So about a year and a half ago, and really in August of 24, we started going through every book in the Bible in order and talking about the leadership principles uh found in each book. And so we have gone through all the books starting from Genesis, um, and now we're on Second Thessalonians, and uh there's some significant, even though it's a very short book, um there's some very significant leadership lessons that uh we'd like to share today. And uh this is for leaders, you don't have to be leader of like McDonald's or you know, Home Depot. You could be leadership of your soccer team or your softball team or a scout troupe or just a bowling league. You know, what is it um that we think is important to share um for leadership that you can literally apply today in your life? Uh you could just be leading your family. Right. Uh I think in Second Thessalonians, there's some significant leadership principles that Paul points out um that you can apply literally to sometime this week. I it's not today. So we're excited about getting through this podcast.

SPEAKER_01 5:26

And just to sort of catch people up, this this sort of was a second set of letters sent out because he he wasn't the way the first letters was perceived or something, how how people were interpreting things, and then he he sent out give it sort of give them an update, maybe a a recap, a brief one, because you know, hopefully they just listened to Thessalonians 1, but you know, one Thessalonians, and uh just sort of how they tie in together.

SPEAKER_02 5:51

Yeah, so 1 Thessalonians, many biblical scholars believe that that was Paul's very first letter that we have still have a record of. He could have written something earlier, we just don't have it. But so many scholars think this was his first letter. He he loved the people of Thessalonica, um, but like any organization, they're having some issues. And so Paul wrote this, the first Thessalonians to um to begin to address those. And then back then, just think about it, um, they didn't have like text messages or or Zoom or video calls or anything like that. Everything had to be carried by foot or horseback or something. So you would write a letter, somebody was you know hundreds of miles away, if not thousands of miles away. That letter would get to them, uh, they would read it for the whole church most of the time, and then um the person who delivered the letter would be normally the person that would come back and report to Paul what they found. But in the meantime, there could be additional issues that were needing to be addressed. And this particular letter in 2 Thessalonians would be a response to those additional issues. Um, and I'll just say that there was some confusion going on, there was some disorder going on because of misinformation, there was some significant disappointment going on. And so Paul, in his wisdom, just began to address those. Um and I think there's we can all learn about from Paul uh about how to deal with confusion or disorder because of misinformation or disappointment. And um, and so this is I think a powerful, powerful letter for all of us.

SPEAKER_01 7:47

Right. And you know, sort of we talked a little bit about that, you know, one of the big things uh there were there was a lot of stuff going on, right? And lot of stuff. Um I I guess w one of the biggest things we talked about is the disappointment, right? So I don't know if you want to get into that a little bit, you know, where where that that was a huge one. I I I guess that would probably be more the end ending of the letters, right? Where he starts talking, I'm probably going out of order, right? You know, but it's okay. You know, that was the last part I think of the letters that he talked about. But you know, however you want to do it, I just I just remember that talk. You know, we had a good talk and discussion on that.

SPEAKER_02 8:23

Yeah, so let me just kind of give a synopsis of of that issue, but let me preface it by saying in the early century, the first century, I think all of the early Christians in that first, no matter where they were, uh no matter what city they were from, there were two significant issues that all of them were dealing with. And one of them was who can be a Christian? Okay. And the it was thought at the beginning that you had to be a Jew first and then be a Christian. And when Paul began to travel around, he was facing that issue with people. And so the we see this in the book of Acts that uh they addressed that issue, I think, rather wisely, and um they said, No, you don't have to be go through the law, you don't have to become a Jew first before you become a Christian. And so the it just opened their eyes, it was a whole paradigm shift that someone could just not have that kind of religious background from a Jewish faith, and they could go from not believing, pagan, whatever, and just become a Christian by confessing Christ as their Lord and Savior. So that was a huge paradigm shift for that early church. Um, but then there was another issue that I think all of them dealt with, and that was the disappointment. Because as we read uh the the first four books of the Bible, uh the New Testament, the Gospels, when we're talking about the life of Jesus, he said several times, I will be coming back soon. And um even in the book of Revelation, which was written in the late 90s uh A.D., uh he says, you know, I'll be coming soon. Um but before then the the thought was that Jesus will be coming back during their lifetime, uh during that first century. That was a huge expectation, a huge hope. Um and he didn't. In fact, we're still waiting on that. Hopefully he'll come today or soon, right? But he didn't. And so um there was some significant disappointment in that. Paul addresses some of that because um there were some interesting behavior issues uh in in Thessalonica uh and potentially other places, because they were uh expecting Jesus to come back and they didn't, and so it's huge disappointment. And so the question that comes up naturally as a leader is how do you deal with disappointment? Um there's gonna be disappointment, okay. So you're you're um you are the captain of a bowling team, okay? And it's down to the last frame, and you need, you know, two strikes and eight pins to win, and you get two strikes and a spare, you know, and a seven. So you lose by one pin or two pins or whatever, and your team is just crushed because this was the you know chance. Um you you're dealing with disappointment. Um, you know, you're a softball head of a softball team, and you're you made it to the finals, and yet you lose in the last game. I disappointment. Or the lights go out, and you can't even finish the game, right? Because at four o'clock in the morning, you know. Um or you're at a scout troop thing, and um and your your troop doesn't go as good as you're expecting. There there's all kinds of scenarios. Uh you're in the construction business, you've been there for 30 something years, and um and so the question would be, okay, so you have a delivery issue, you have weather issues, you don't get the building done on the right time, there's some disappointment by the owners, by you. And so the question is not do we deal with disappointment, the question is how do we deal with disappointment? Right. And by ignoring it, I think you just add to the problem. And so I think that's um that really is addressed in the in the chapter three, but but I think one of the big issues is during disappointment, you don't need to lock yourself in the office, you don't need to not answer emails, you need to walk with your people. You know, a l a good leader encourages their people, whether it's a good time or difficult time, disappointment, victory, whatever. You just encourage your people. And I think that's what Paul was trying to do through his letters. Now he wasn't there, so it's a lot easier to encourage people when you're actually physically present. But he wasn't able to be there. So he was addressing that uh in his letters and um telling them, hey, you know, just keep on keeping on, encourage each other, uh lift each other up, uh, you know, stay together. So that was um and so the question is how do you as a leader deal with disappointment?

SPEAKER_01 13:42

Right.

SPEAKER_02 13:43

Yeah. So I like it.

SPEAKER_01 13:45

Yeah, I like it. And uh and one of the things that you know, the context of it and in what you know Paul talked about is a lot of people were not doing anything, right? They just said, Hey, I'm just gonna go sit at home and wait for the return. And right.

SPEAKER_02 13:59

So they stopped working. Yeah, stop working. So if he's coming back any day, then I don't need to work. I'll just sit around and wait for him. And Paul addresses that pretty sternly. He says, uh, let those who don't work don't let them eat, you know. So he's thinking, no, you need to be responsible, even in your disappointment, even in your waiting. You don't need to just throw off your responsibilities. Um, you need to just keep living life and do what you normally would do. Um and um and and we'll go with through this together. Right.

SPEAKER_01 14:39

So yeah. Yeah. So Paul, when he was writing this, he he starts off with, you know, saying, hey, thank you. Um it looks like everybody's faith is growing, the love's increasing, and and you know, there was a lot of taking hold of the messages uh that he ultimately uh put in place. Uh, but you know, ultimately, um, you know, there was some lot of other stuff that they they needed to do as well, right?

SPEAKER_02 15:05

So yeah, and so just think about the disappointment, or they were still suffering persecution. And and so um Paul is such a brilliant man. Um, and and so one of the questions would be um, what does a leader do when things are challenging in your organization? Whatever that is. And I think Paul gives us some great guidelines as to what to do, simple some simple things. And one of them is focus on what's right, what's going right, you know? Okay, so you lost the game, but you know, you can encourage your players. Hey, you gave your best, you did a great job. You that that double you made was really good, or you know, you had eight strikes in a row, whatever it is, focus on what's right instead of what's wrong. Is that reinforcement? Yeah, reinforcement of the positive things. Yeah, and um and you don't have to remind them of what didn't work because they already know they're gonna beat themselves up, you know. Um, but focus on what's right. And um and then he honors endurance, you know, he honors the fact that they're sticking in there, they're enduring during difficult times, and uh it's hardship, but they're keeping to the faith, they're encouraging one another, they're staying together. And so I just think that's um so you honor that as a leader, you honor the the people that are you know giving it all, even though it's a difficult time.

SPEAKER_01 16:43

Yeah, that's one of the things we just started on a new basketball team, my son did, and he's you know, first time they're sort of getting together and and really bonding as a team, and you know, over the course of the beginning of the games to the end of you know the weekend after they play two or three or four games, uh night and day, and then that'll continue to blossom, that'll continue to grow as they become more team, and and uh they got whooped up on pretty good. But uh, you know, the third or fourth game, then it was a close game, you know. Those first couple, they they got uh, you know, you know, uh yeah, they got whooped up on a little bit. But I mean, they're playing up a level, so uh our coaches uh in basketball, my son's coach, is uh big fan of playing up. So we're playing with kids that were almost my size, right? I mean they were they they were tall. You know, as you know, if you got kids, you know how fast they grow in a gear. So I mean night and day on the size. Yeah. Uh I think only one of our guys was uh close to uh the second shortest person on their team, right? It's so it looked like you know, NBA versus high school, right? It was crazy. But but I mean they they held in there and did good. So that sort of loves me why I was thinking that when we talk about what's going right, you know, coach is giving that positive, you know, uh positive uh you know uh uh reinforcement and and endurance to hang in there and this will all come together and and all that. And that leads into the last one there, you know, how do you frame the story, you know? So you know, what story are you telling as as you can do to uh um you know put it in context where you can uh you know create accountability, create a teamwork somehow out of that. I think that's one of the things we can take away as a leader.

SPEAKER_02 18:30

I think so too. And one of the things is not just what story you're telling, is what story are you telling with your actions, not just your words, whether your tone of voice, your attitude, uh your memos, your emails, what story are you telling? And if you're going through a difficult time, people are gonna see the negativity real quick. Right. And so it's not doesn't mean you need to be Pollyanish and try to say everything's good when it's not, but you need to be sure that you frame the story. As a leader, you need to frame the story um and and and stabilize you know what's happening emotions if you if at all possible.

SPEAKER_01 19:12

Yeah, teams don't fall apart because because things are hard, right? We always go through hard times. It's it's the leader is not controlling the narrative. And let's that fear and that that uh outrage and those little voices behind the scenes sort of sabotage the whole mission uh that you're trying to do, and and that's what we want to keep out as a leader.

SPEAKER_02 19:34

Yeah, so you affirm the people, uh, you strengthen them by encouragement, you reframe the story, and and I just think that that's what Paul is doing here in the Second Thessalonians. Um and um and so the question for a leader is what is your team hearing from you right now? Yeah, you know, um, good time, bad, you might have just stomped on the competition over the weekend, you might got slaughtered by the competition, but what is your team hearing from you? And I think that's a really, really important factor.

SPEAKER_01 20:10

So, how do we get into uh going into chapter two? I mean, I guess this is what they consider the heart of the letter and and um a little bit goes into a little bit deeper in this the meaning.

SPEAKER_02 20:21

Yeah, so so one of the things that Paul was dealing with here in the second chapter was bad information. Um and and so the question is you don't want to have bad information lead the people. So Paul is addressing that. He said, Don't be deceived. He describes, quote, the man of lawlessness. Um and then he begins to assure them. Um and he encourages them to stand firm in their traditions, what they learn from him, and he leads them in a prayer. And and so it's just you got to be sure that you squash bad information, not do it in a negative way, uh slamming people, but you just need to be sure that you do it um well and do it quickly.

SPEAKER_01 21:12

Yeah, you know, don't be quickly, you know, shaken, you know, don't be deceived on that. Um, you know, he's he's he's looking to you know tell people that you need to you know confirm your sources, um, you need to um clarify the facts before you overreact. It basically is um stop letting um that that rumor mill, uh those rumors that sort of run your company or destroy that company, that's what sort of, you know, if it gets in people's heads, those rumors will really just sort of tank the whole business, tank the morale of the team. And that's what we want to sort of start avoiding is that rumor mill from even starting.

SPEAKER_02 21:57

So yeah, and if it starts. It's very hard to stop a rumor. Okay. But if you put out correct information quickly, yeah. Um, and that might mean an email, that might mean you call in your people, uh, your leaders, or you have a if you have a team of six, you call them in and and um you just say, no, I've heard this, but this is the truth. Yeah. You know?

SPEAKER_01 22:28

And um Yeah, one thing I do too on rumor mills, just to sort of clarify, before I have the meeting where I jump into the meeting with all six of them, uh-huh. I always try to have individual meetings before so that way when I walk in the meeting, I know exactly what needs to be squashed ahead of time. I'm prepared where I'm not getting bombarded by six people. So it's just good practice from a from a leader to make sure you're prepared.

SPEAKER_02 22:53

So yeah, and you don't need to uh kind of beat around the bush. You don't need to be like harsh. Um you need to focus on the truth. Yeah, right. And and that to me is rumors just just kind of dissolve the truth. Yeah. But the but if you focus on the truth, here's exactly what's happening. You know, I've heard this, but that's not accurate. This is what's the truth, and uh, let's move on from there.

SPEAKER_01 23:22

So Yeah. Stand firm, you know, don't uh don't uh waver in your decisions and and make sure that you're controlling the narrative, you know. That's what's one of the big things you can do.

SPEAKER_02 23:33

Yeah, and so Paul is saying to stand firm in your faith, um, hold on to what you were taught, um, and and that will bring stability uh in your life and in the community. So and he's he pretty much does that almost in every letter, you know, because he's not there, it's not like we can today, where we can get on a video call from our team around the country, or you know, we can have a a group chat or whatever, or you know, and and just talk to everybody at the same time. No, we can't do he couldn't do that, right? You know, so the letters were the best he could do. He couldn't make it back to all of the churches, you know, when he needed to. And so that's why he wrote letters. And it comes sometimes it comes across rather stern, um, but he came across stern because it was a very serious issue, and he wanted to bring them back to the lifestyle that he taught and that he lived himself.

SPEAKER_01 24:38

Yeah. And it's a reminder that the church isn't um, you know, isn't sustained by emotion, but it's it's endurance, it's about faithfulness and and how you practice on a daily basis, uh a monthly, a yearly practice, and that's one of the things that we have to put together, not only for a church, but you as a leader.

SPEAKER_02 24:56

Yes. So so someone wouldn't describe this that faithfulness is like long obedience in the same direction.

unknown 25:03

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 25:03

Okay. So day by day, step by step, minute by minute, you just keep walking, being faithful to God. You don't get swayed by rumors or false teaching. And so Paul was trying to make sure that they stayed the path that they started on. And with all the influence of the world, just think about it. They were in a Roman culture, they were, you know, Christians back then, and even today were persecuted for their faith. And um, Paul was just encouraging them no, let's just stay the focus, stay on track, don't listen to these rumors, don't, you know, be influenced by false teaching, and just continue to on what we you were taught, and you'll be you'll be good. You'll be good.

SPEAKER_01 25:48

100%.

SPEAKER_02 25:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:50

I like it.

SPEAKER_02 25:51

I like it. So we then we move to chapter three.

SPEAKER_01 25:54

Yeah. And I sort of got ahead of it when we started talking about that. You know, that's okay. But you know, that's basically, you know, I love the statement it gives the principal. You know, if if anybody's not willing to work, as like you said, don't let him eat. Don't let him eat.

SPEAKER_02 26:07

You know, he's pretty stretched. I mean, he's pretty cut, right?

SPEAKER_01 26:10

Common sense, but you know, a lot of people didn't understand that at the time because they were just so, you know, held up on, you know, um uh this everything's gonna work out, right? I mean, that I want to have that faith, but let's just wait for a bigger thing, right? And and just keep putting off, kicking that that can down the road a little bit farther.

SPEAKER_02 26:28

So yeah, and I think underneath that statement is accountability.

SPEAKER_01 26:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:34

Okay. So basically you're neglecting your responsibility. You have no accountability, and you're saying, I'm just gonna just kind of sit here and wait for Jesus to return. Well, you know, someday he's going to. That is a promise, and we truly believe that's going to happen. But it also says in the Bible, no one knows the day or the hour, only the Father. And so at some point in the future, that's going to happen, and we're looking forward to that day. But until that day happens, we need to be responsible for uh our lives. We need to live them in a godly manner, we need to be accountable, we need to take care of our our business, our families, you know, those kind of things, and and uh pray and encourage others and live out a godly life. There you go, and that obviously wasn't happening, and so Paul was not pleased that someone took that to the extreme and just said, Hey, you know, Jesus come back, I don't need to work, I'll just kind of lay around and wait for that to happen.

SPEAKER_01 27:38

I mean a great plan, but you know, you know, they they weren't eating.

SPEAKER_02 27:44

So they weren't eating, but here's the thing. Let's think about this for just a minute. I know you've run across this, I've run across this. Most people are listening have run across this. Some people really don't take the initiative to take care of themselves or their business or their lives. They just want other people to take care of them.

SPEAKER_01 28:07

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 28:07

And I think Paul is saying, no, that's not how you live a godly life. You know, uh, yes, we want uh other people to be around us, we want to pray for them, they want we want them to pray for us, we want to be accountable to them, them accountable to us. That's part of what the church is about. Okay. But you need to be um accountable and and and live your life and and do what you need to do to support yourself, um, be responsible, to support your family, those kind of things. And obviously, so it's not just it's a bigger issue than just saying, you know, if you're not gonna work, don't eat. Uh he's saying, no, you need to be hard.

SPEAKER_01 28:51

Yeah, you work hard. And he even gave a uh example in there in 379. He says he worked hard so nobody could accuse him of using people. And uh, you know, I think that's one of the biggest things. Your example, you know, is is to uh you know work hard, you know, and that's that's what expected. Good leaders put out that I'm doing it, so you know, if if if the leader's sitting at home eating bonbons, are you gonna expect the the the people to be out knocking on doors doing it, it doesn't work that way. Yeah, you have to show by lead by example.

SPEAKER_02 29:23

So yeah, if a leader has a closed door policy, or he says he has it or she has an open door policy, right? But really they don't, yeah, you know, that's not good thing. So, yes, I know because I've been there, you've been there. There is some things that only leaders can do. But one of the things that leaders can do is get out on the floor with your people, get on the office, go down up and down the hall. When I would walk into the church office in the morning, I made it a point to walk to every office and say good morning, just because I wanted to know that I value my people. And they were an amazing staff. Um, and I just think if you just take time to do that, yes, you got a lot of work to do. I'm I don't know of anybody who doesn't.

SPEAKER_01 30:12

Right.

SPEAKER_02 30:12

But the question is, are you letting people know that you value them, that you care for them, that you do have an open door policy, even though your door might be closed because you're on a conference call or something confidential. But if they need to talk to you about anything, you are available.

SPEAKER_01 30:31

Right.

SPEAKER_02 30:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:32

100%.

SPEAKER_02 30:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:34

Well, I think we wrap that one up. I think short chapter, by gosh. You know. Yeah, it's really I think it was really good. Only thing missing is some dad jokes here. Dad jokes? Oh my goodness. Do we have any dad jokes?

SPEAKER_02 30:44

I I think I I only have about 400 left.

SPEAKER_01 30:48

400.

SPEAKER_02 30:49

Yeah, so all you musicians out there. Here's one for you musicians, okay?

SPEAKER_01 30:53

You want to grab the guitar behind you and play us a song?

SPEAKER_02 30:56

No, but no, not today. It is, you know, I did put some strings on that guitar last year.

SPEAKER_01 31:02

I did. You did.

SPEAKER_02 31:03

So we could do that. But here do you get what do you get when you drop a piano down a mine shaft?

SPEAKER_01 31:12

Oh wow. This is a never heard this.

SPEAKER_02 31:14

This this one is for the musicians out there. What do you get when you drop a piano down a mine shaft?

unknown 31:21

I do not.

SPEAKER_02 31:22

You get a flat minor.

SPEAKER_00 31:29

Oh my gosh. I got the applause.

SPEAKER_01 31:31

It doesn't give me that on very often. So apologize to any minors out there. So, you know.

SPEAKER_02 31:35

You know, I you know, we're almost in, well, we're into spring now. You know, spring started on like March 20th or 21st or something like spring equinox. Oh, I'm just gonna share this because some people might know. I've been asked this question a bunch of the times over my career, and that is how do they decide when Easter is? Because it changes every year. I mean, it's not the same, it's not like the first Sunday of April every year or the last Sunday of March. How how do they decide? So this is how it was decided, literally back in the 300s, okay? So you have the spring equinox, which is the beginning of spring, which is the March the 20th, 21st, okay? So this is how they do it. Easter always follows. It's the first Sunday after the first full moon after the spring equinox. So there will always be a full moon between Palm Sunday and Easter because it's the Sunday after the full moon, after the spring equinox. So they know right now, for from now until Jesus comes, when the full moon's gonna happen. You know, some mathematician, scientists, they they know that. They can they can predict the the rotation and all that kind of stuff. And so they know. Uh you just look it up. When is Easter gonna be in 2015? Okay, so here it is. Yeah. So you have the spring equinox, which is like March the 20th or 21st. I I'm just gonna say the 21st. That's probably wrong, but it is. Um, okay, so after that, you have a full moon. You're gonna have a full moon every so many 28 days or something like that, right? So you have a the spring equinox, and then you have a full moon after that, and then the first Sunday after that full moon is Easter. So that's how they figure it out. And sometimes it's the end of March, and sometimes it's toward the end of April. So it varies every year, but that's how they figure it out.

SPEAKER_01 33:35

That's how they do it.

SPEAKER_02 33:36

That's how they do it. So it's interesting.

SPEAKER_01 33:37

Yeah, that's uh that was I've wondered that before as well.

SPEAKER_02 33:41

So that's how they do it.

SPEAKER_01 33:42

So I'm sure you have been asked that many times. I have been asked that so many times. Yeah. Why? Why this weekend?

SPEAKER_02 33:49

Yeah, why why is it during spring break? Why is it done the second Sunday of April last year? It was the last Sunday of March. You know what my decision is a mathematician.

SPEAKER_01 33:59

No, that's it. That's how it is.

SPEAKER_02 34:01

That's the just the rules. And it was established really in one of the councils back in the 300s. Okay, here's a couple more dad jokes before we sign this again today. Let's do it. Okay. I heard Humpty Dumpty is having it had an awful winter. We're in the spring now, but he had an awful winter. You know, because and that's really a shame because I heard he had a great fall. Uh too bad we're not on video because you should have seen Tim's face.

SPEAKER_01 34:33

Man, I had to roll my eyes on that one. Hey, why did the uh why didn't the dog want to wrestle? Ooh.

SPEAKER_02 34:40

I don't know if I've heard this one. Why?

SPEAKER_01 34:42

Because he was a boxer.

SPEAKER_02 34:44

Okay. You know, we have a neighbor that has they heat their home with a wood-burning stove. And it works really great. Um, but the fireplace last week was a little warm. And uh, I'm thinking it had the flu or something.

SPEAKER_01 35:05

Oh boy.

SPEAKER_02 35:06

Okay. Here we go. You better do some good ones on the way out, right?

SPEAKER_01 35:09

Let's see. I I'm I'm in a basketball theme. I got lots of basketball going on. So why did um let's see, no, it'd be what did uh Michael Jordan and what do Michael Jordan and a turkey have in common?

SPEAKER_02 35:21

Michael Jordan and a turkey?

SPEAKER_01 35:23

Yeah. Just get trombone ready for this. Okay, what again? Uh they're both known for stuffing. I needed a groaner in there. I hadn't done a groaner for a while, so well, I mean I had, but you know, we're here in the studio.

SPEAKER_02 35:40

Yeah, we are you know, we're here in the studio. Um, right next to us is a Brahms, you know, which is awesome. Yes. Yes, but you know, we should someday order coffee from Amazon. And then I thought about it. Well, it's probably gonna be cold by the time it gets here.

SPEAKER_01 35:58

Nice. Speaking of, give you one more joke, because I made a pot of coffee right before this show, and I haven't had time to go drink it. So I don't want my coffee to be made again made. I got a pot of coffee in there. See, I choked him up on that one. So sorry. Choked him up. You did, wow. All right, one more joke, close them out, and we'll let the fine people off.

SPEAKER_02 36:25

I very rarely wear a suit anymore, or even a sports coat, or preached at the church uh that we go to a couple weeks ago, and I thought, hmm. I think I'm gonna wear a sport coat and a tie just because I'm preaching, you know. Um but I took it out of the closet and I noticed that my sport coat had a tear in it, and I guess it I could say it wasn't my strong suit.

SPEAKER_01 36:57

Uh yeah, it's uh it's close.

SPEAKER_00 37:01

It's close to what?

SPEAKER_01 37:03

Yeah. All right, guys. Check us out, Biblical Leadership Show.com. We'll let you off on that one. Dr. Bosey's choking at me. I gotta give him some water and maybe some coffee to go. So anyway, check us out, biblicole leadershipshow.com. Send us messages there, text us, whatever you got. Uh other than that, Dr. B take us out with Hey, thank you for joining us today. Thank you guys.