The Calling: Follow your spirit- all the way in

S2 03 The Infinite Power of Self-Leadership featuring Melanie Ann Layer

• Homaya / Melanie Ann Layer • Season 2 • Episode 3

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Blessings, beautiful people!

This episode is an extraordinary journey into the art of self-leadership, expansion, and stepping into the highest version of yourself. I welcome my dear friend, mentor, and powerhouse, Melanie Ann Layer, the founder of Alpha Femme.

Melanie is a visionary who embodies transformation at every level, business, relationships, wealth, and personal power. She doesn’t just speak about leadership; she lives it. Together, we explore what it truly means to hold yourself to a higher standard, to lead without hesitation, and to embrace the frequency of your future self now.

This conversation is filled with deep insights on self-mastery, energetic alignment, and why the most powerful leaders are those who live by their truth, not just speak about it.

What You’ll Discover in This Episode:

✨ The journey of becoming - stepping into your next level identity
✨ How to shift your frequency and lead yourself into greatness
✨ The birth of Alpha Femme and its true meaning
✨ Why success isn’t about seeking approval - it’s about embodiment
✨ Navigating external judgment, misunderstandings, and staying true
✨ The role of testing and challenges in leadership
✨ How leaders are bridges - and why they must be unshakable

Melanie shares the wisdom that has shaped her own expansion, and her words will challenge you to see beyond what’s comfortable - to step into the power that already exists within you.

Connect with Melanie Ann Layer:

🌟 Explore Alpha Femme: www.alphafemme.com
📲 Follow Melanie on Instagram: @melanieannlayer
🎙 Listen to her teachings and masterclasses

Thank You for Listening!

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Homaya: [00:00:00] Hello, hello, hello, and blessing, beautiful people. This is a super precious episode. And I can already said, it will take your heart and your presence to really take the full download from what I can only imagine that can come in this conversation with a woman that I do not have enough vocabulary to describe who she is, Melanie Ann Layer.

is a dear, dear person to my heart, a mentor, a friend, a guide, an inspiration, someone so beautiful to walk by. I've met Melanie few years ago through a recommendation of a friend who told me go and take a little class with her and since then [00:01:00] Melanie supported me and actually if you're listening to me so probably supported you through me or maybe directly.

to tap into so much of the vastness of life in the real experience, the real dimension. Melanie, welcome, and thank you so much. 

Melanie Ann Layer: What an introduction. Thank you so much for all of that and for having me. I'm so happy to be here. 

Homaya: Thank you. So I feel that first those who still don't know you, your, what I would name awakening story and your entire story and path of life is something that is so inspiring that I highly recommend those who do not know Melanie, go and listen [00:02:00] to her.

Either other podcast episode, either enter her Instagram. There's so much content there or tap into her space. It is amazing. 

Melanie Ann Layer: Thank you, Homaya. 

Homaya: You're so welcome. So I want us to go from the place of awakening into the becoming of the one that you are. The becoming of a woman who lives with so much passion, clarity, dedication, and such a vast vision.

Many times we had a conversation. I remember that in our conversation in the channel, you were asking me something about what, how could it be that there's no, differences of age or something like that when I relate to [00:03:00] you. And one of the things that I feel that it's relevant to bring here is that I perceive you beyond time and space.

I strongly perceive your immortal nature as tangible and present. 

Melanie Ann Layer: Whoa.

I like it a lot. 

Homaya: But I'm sure that there's a lot of aspects inside of you that are very, let's say, mortal and human. And still, the way you lead, the way you perform, the way you show up, the level of responsibility, the level of wisdom, and the level of vision far and high that you see. It's of the most high.

Can you feel? 

Melanie Ann Layer: This is probably why I accept for you to say things like this, because although I hear what you're saying, I also know that you know my humanity. There, [00:04:00] there is a very beautiful lens in which you see me and experience me that honestly is quite fantastic. And if you only saw me through that lens We wouldn't have what we have.

It's the fact that you also know me for the human and the person that's very real and tangible and human. And in this whole journey that I'm like, okay, she's, she sees the spectrum of me, 

Homaya: yeah. But what I sense, and if I hope that it's okay that I'm mentioning what I'm sense is like maybe this fear of a pedestal, if I see you in your mightiness, but then I see you in your mightiness.

And it's not putting you on a pedestal. For me, I'm seeing you in your mightiness, and I see the truth. I am not blind 

by the 

mightiness that I'm seeing. I'm actually inspired and I would love so many of the other people around us in the world living in this mightiness instead of being maybe feeling penetrated by that or, feeling blind by it [00:05:00] or feeling overwhelmed by it.

It's not oh, I see all of that and that make her unhuman. No, I see all of that and let's everyone be that human. 

Melanie Ann Layer: I love that.

Homaya: But for you inside of you to move into that place that in some way, of course there was an energetic support and energetic blessing to hold so much like that. But there was a lot of self leadership. And it is something that you speak a lot about.

Can you take us a little bit into your inner journey of becoming the new standards and elevated standards? 

Melanie Ann Layer: It's so interesting because before, before I started Alpha [00:06:00] Fem, my biggest intention was to help people. My biggest intention was to be the best life coach that I could be. My biggest intention was to, to, do something meaningful with my life, like it, it was very limited to my, career and helping people.

It was a very human experience and I remember the feeling when, The brand Alpha Femme came through for me and immediately the thought I had was like if I am going to lead a company called Alpha Femme, it feels like the frequency of that title is so big, I'm going to have to become somebody more in order to lead that.

I can't just be a normal person. And have a brand like Alpha Femme, like that title deserves to be led by somebody that's gonna really lead women into the, this greatness, and if I'm gonna be that, I've gotta up my game. And so I'm so grateful that title fell into my lap because I feel like the identity shift of Alpha Femme [00:07:00] changed my life.

I started looking at things through a filter, like what would the owner of Alpha femme do? What would I expect if I were to find a company called Alpha femme? What would I expect the leader of that company? How would they experience conflict? How would they experience their relationships? How would they be handling their family?

How would they handle money, their business? And put this perspective on my life of I want to be an energetic match for the words. And as I lived in alignment to be an energetic match for the words, and I became a representation of this brand, it started becoming a part of who I am. And I reclaimed my name, Melanie Ann Layer, because for the longest time I took away the middle part of my name and only went by Melanie Layer.

And when I reclaimed the middle part of my name, Melanie Ann Layer, and Alpha Fem, there was something about just the feeling of those two frequencies that changed. My focus about myself I matter not just to try to matter, but I matter, meaning [00:08:00] whether I do something or don't do something, that's a choice that'll impact the planet.

If I become everything I was meant to be, that'll impact the planet, but if I don't become everything I was meant to be, that will also impact the planet. If I rise into the leadership that I'm born to be, that I'm capable of, that will impact the planet. But if I don't do it, that will also impact the planet.

If I do my very best and I create, co create success with all these people and create generational wealth for my family, if I change things in my world, that'll change the world as I know it. And if I don't do it, that'll also change the world. Because the possibility of me changing the world is now present.

If I don't do it, I also alter the course of the future by not doing it. And so it's as if this big responsibility came into my lap. It was like, I understand the responsibility of becoming. Now that I know that I could, choosing not to is a decision that alters the course [00:09:00] of the future for me. And for anyone else that this work would have impacted.

And so it really lifted my responsibility towards this work. And I think that's really what it is that has taken me to new heights in this is everything I do. I put it through the lens of this alpha femme lens where it's if I were to follow a company called alpha femme and I'd be looking to that company for.

Money wisdom or entrepreneurial wisdom or leadership wisdom or communication wisdom. I would be expecting a squeaky clean leader that leads the exact same frequency as the brand. And so I've held myself to that standard and I've been challenged and I've raised the bar and I've been challenged and I've raised the bar and I've become more than I ever thought I could because it feels like a, for me, for you, for us thing to become.

the one that I could be feels like a disservice to everyone if I don't become. 

Homaya: Yeah. And so when [00:10:00] you're speaking about it, there's something in your presence, there's something in your, I can hear it in the sound of your voice even, that it is clear that yes, you're doing it for me in the sense of you're doing it inside out.

Although you are describing and I can, see, and I can sense, and I feel that this like self navigation is such a powerful experience to, okay, this is where I want to go. This is the name. Who am I becoming? But even to be able to ask this question, there is a willingness to drop the known.

There's a willingness to say, okay, without any judgment, this is the ordinary, this is the common, this is the expected, and I am willing to drop it. 

Melanie Ann Layer: You know what's [00:11:00] interesting? You just made me realize something as you said that. I never had a thought that I need to stop being who I am or change.

Be who I was being I only had the thought of I had to become that and I think often people come into my world And they're like, how do I stop being this and how do I stop being that and how do I stop doing that? And in the way, the question is asked it all often puzzles me because I'm like, that's not how I asked the question I didn't ask myself.

How do I stop being? 

this 

It didn't matter. 

Homaya: Yeah. 

Melanie Ann Layer: I didn't need to stop. I just needed to start being that. And as I started prioritizing that, the whole rest just fell away. It's you don't ask yourself, how do I be a teenager? How do I stop being a kid? It's you just become a teenager. 

Homaya: Yeah. So, once you are an adult, and there is so such, so [00:12:00] many opportunities, then the perception of change is moving from here to here.

And in your expression, you're speaking about a vibrational shift. Like a fruit that is ripe and falling from the tree. It doesn't say, Oh, I want to leave the tree. Goodbye tree. I'm not interested in the rest of the fruits that exist on the tree. Let me fall and become my own forest. It's just. So aligned, we can say, and so in, in you, in that, in the becoming of it.

Melanie Ann Layer: It's softer because you can say, I need to go from here to there, or you can say, I'm going there. 

Homaya: Yeah. 

Melanie Ann Layer: And in one you, you bring in the concept of here and the other one, you don't need it. I'm going there. And then you hold on to here and the other one you don't. 

Homaya: Yeah, and it feels, even now in this conversation, it feels if I'm going there, I see it.

It's [00:13:00] already alive. I am there. If not, I wouldn't be able even to say there. I am becoming that. 

Melanie Ann Layer: And when I say I'm going from here to there, I'm still focused on here, and there is not quite as big of a commitment as here. Why am I saying I'm going from here to there? Because I'm still very much thinking about here, honoring here, experiencing here.

But when I just say I'm going there, there is already what I'm connected to. There is already what I'm in motion for. There is where all my attention is. I don't even have attention on here. It's not even part of the sentence. 

Homaya: Yeah, it's so powerful. It's just record we recorded today some episodes and one of the episodes that we recorded I expressed something like there's a difference between you moving in time or you and time is moving through you So you're here is already here.

It's already alpha femme It's already Alpha Femme, it's just becoming and becoming and becoming through you surrendering to this, what I would name, the [00:14:00] higher self, the higher self, the god self, the full expression of the range of what is possible.

Melanie Ann Layer: That's beautiful. 

Homaya: And I know that on the way, I know because for some I've witnessed, and I'm sure that there were some that I haven't witnessed, were probably many, I mean like even picking up Alpha Femme. which is, I'm sure, just triggering half of the people who hear that and putting a question on their, on their heart or head, wherever it's active.

Even picking that, how did you let yourself through being so devoted and loyal and committed to what you see? There's noises, there's judgment, there's [00:15:00] Lack of understanding, lack of education. There's like all of the range can happen. 

Melanie Ann Layer: It's like, it doesn't matter. Like 

it doesn't matter what anybody else understands about it.

It's who I know I become when I'm in alignment with the frequency of it. And it's how I know. Other women become when they're in the frequency of it. I've seen who women are in the misunderstanding of the frequency of it. That's their own journey, but who women are in the understanding of the frequency of it, the changes I've seen is out of this world.

Like for me, this is so interesting because. The concept of Alpha actually came through two years before Alpha femme hit me. My grandfather had just passed away quite suddenly and I was in California with two clients and Kevin drove from Montana to California through [00:16:00] the night to come and be with me. I was very close to my granddad, like very, very, very close.

And, um, he came this night and we, at this point we were spending a lot of time apart, so we'd be apart for two weeks and be together for a weekend and be together for two weeks and be apart and then together and apart. We were used to this back and forth energy. And I hadn't seen him for almost a month when he came.

And there was just something about his energy and the way he was, not just With me, but with everybody else I just noticed people constantly asking him if he knew where things were, or he'd just open the door for people, say, thank you, Kevin's six foot five and a half, almost six foot, he's very, very tall, and he's got this energy of, I know where I'm going, and I got you, can't quite explain it, but I hadn't seen him in so long, and I was feeling very emotional, and I had cried a lot, so I was feeling very leaned back and open, and I was just watching him behave, [00:17:00] And it's like the whole world was responding to him.

And I just felt so proud to be his woman. It was just such an incredible feeling. And he sat down and I said if ever you decided to do the coaching thing, if you ever started a brand, I know exactly what it should be. And he said, what? And I said, the effortless alpha male.

And he was like, why? And I said, I don't know, I just feel like you have this like, leader of the pack energy, but you're not trying to lead. You don't look like you're tough. You don't look like you're pushy. You don't look like you're trying to rally the troops. It almost, it's almost like you don't even know you're doing it.

You're just the leader of everything and you do it like it's just so effortless. And so he ended up eventually creating a men's group called the Effortless Alphas. And the men's group was to really help men effortlessly be the leader in their life and stop trying so hard to push and push and push and rather become more supportive forces of leadership.

And it was such a [00:18:00] beautiful brand. And I was at a client's retreat, and I was supporting her at her retreat. And I was talking about Kevin and his brand. And one of the women asked me, What's the woman's version of that? And I didn't think I didn't, I just, it just came right out of my mouth. I said, Alpha Fem.

And when I said it, my eyes filled with tears. The group was like, And I was like,

And the brand came together very fast after that. It was like, that's the brand. But I already knew what the frequency of alpha meant. And the beautiful thing about Alpha Femme for me was not the leader of women, the one who tells you where to go, the one who tells you what to do. It was Alpha Femme, she who leads herself.

The one who is self led like a wild woman and a wise woman howling at the moon. There is nothing that can deter you because you're the eye of the [00:19:00] storm. You're the alpha you're the leader. But you're soft, and you're powerful, and you're all the things that a woman is, but you lead yourself, you're self led.

And I knew the frequency of the concept the minute I brought it up. It wasn't just a word, it was an entire body frequency when I said it. And I've always said it's normal to be misunderstood when you're ahead of your time. I'm not, I didn't come here to be understood, I came here to change things. And if the concept was already understood, what would they be for me to change?

Homaya: It's so powerful. Even listening to it. I heard that before. However, I'm listening to it now, and I have, I had a full body shiver. Like I had to hug myself when I felt the intensity of it. But there's, as you said, there's in this Alpha Femme experience, there is this openness and this acceptance and [00:20:00] almost lack of interest with anything logic.

So let that fall from the sky, like whatever needs to fall from the sky, let it fall from the sky, we'll deal with it. I'm such a strong magician, I can, I just can handle it If it is falling here, it's for me. 

Melanie Ann Layer: Yeah I will find how to lead myself to where I'm going, either way. And if I'm meant to lead myself through this, over this, I will.

And I, this is the beauty of it is I think people who come up with brands that really are soul led brands, they're not just ideas and concepts of this is what I should call my company, but it's more like the company comes through you and you're like, this is what I'm supposed to bring to the world.

I don't feel like Alpha Femme is what my company is called. I feel like Alpha Femme is what my company is. Yeah. And the beauty of that is that it's my job to represent the concept [00:21:00] because I'll know I'll have succeeded in my lifetime when people know what Alpha Femme means. Of course they don't know what it means at the beginning of the journey.

It's my life's mission for people to understand what it means. That's my job. 

Homaya: Yeah, more than understanding. Again, it's it's, almost like my job is to recognize, to support other, to recognize that inside of them, to allow it to emerge from what exists inside. Cause if I see it for me, I see it for you.

Melanie Ann Layer: And when I started living 

by this 

concept, my whole life changed, everything skyrocketed. And so it's like the example to say, when I lived by this frequency, Everything changed, and I am presenting myself to the world to present this frequency in money, in business, in spirituality, in love, in romance, in relationships, in communication, in leadership, like you name it, in social media, marketing, advertising, branding, selling, the frequency of Alpha [00:22:00] Femme shows up everywhere, it exists everywhere, and my mission is to basically express this frequency everywhere that I can and model its efficiency.

Homaya: Yeah, but and then we should recognize that by itself is phenomenal because it's, yeah, you are mining in the mind of God, but, you are. 

Melanie Ann Layer: You say things sometimes and I'm like, doesn't it take a note of that? Like you're mining in the mind of God. I want to contemplate that for an entire day.

Like what? That is so cool. I got when you said that. It was Like, What do I find when I'm mining in the mind of God? 

Homaya: You found yourself, you found your, you are finding yourself in every single moment in the next level and the next level and higher [00:23:00] standards and higher standards. If we go back to where the conversation started, where you mentioned that I've seen you in Valley and Heights and like, all of it.

Yes. And this is part of the journey. This is the journey. You, the landscape wouldn't change, but the way we walk the landscape change. When I'm witnessing you and feeling you and also receiving this transmission, when you're describing of what it means I cannot avoid listening without having, of course, respect and honor and admiration and inspiration from, okay, your higher self is here and life, there's height and lows because this is how it is, this winter and summer, like [00:24:00] all of that exists.

Okay. And then there needs to come, resources needs to come. And those resources are coming from the fullness, the mine of God, not the mind of God, the mine, the mine of God, the resources is there, the fullness is there. And in order to lead yourself to become and to be, and you are, the Alpha Femme, and to become an inspiration, and also to allow so many people around you, like thousands of people around you throughout the years, to tap to it through you.

This is why I'm saying you're mining in the mine of God, that you cannot have resources from here. Resource, right? You need to resource from source. Directly.

Melanie Ann Layer: I love this transmission. [00:25:00] This is so good. You need to clip this piece. I feel like you're speaking with a collective right now. This is really good.

Homaya: Thank you. Thank you so much. But then I feel that this is really important because, okay, so we already also, you and I, we had some conversation about like resources and energy. Where do you get the energy from? Like in past years where people were more connected. So we were having more resources coming from like who's going to open the perspective?

What is opening the perspective? Like how? A human and a yeah, a person. is able to, explode the limitation of the skull and really tap into frequency and be able to translate it. Yeah. I can take that many of it. It's [00:26:00] natural for you, but it's still beyond the common. Yeah. And I feel that honestly, like I feel that we shouldn't be embarrassed or ashamed or really to say to the person, you cannot.

It like, you can make this life just another life, or you can make this life just walk the walk and this is it. Or you take yourself to the edge and taking yourself to the edge is in so many different ways. Or one of the ways is tapping into A higher and higher perspective, which you are doing.

Melanie Ann Layer: I feel like there's just, I wonder sometimes, why it is that some people are so aware that they're supposed to have these conversations, and some just aren't, and or why in certain stage of our lives we may be completely [00:27:00] not open to something like this, and what is it that opens it, because I just think of who I was just.

15 years ago and if I even would have heard a conversation like this, I would have been like, I wouldn't have even heard it. It would have just felt two people talking about something that isn't, it doesn't make sense. And I feel like often, that split in the world is so clear, like the people who just want to be in their humanness and just want to live, they've got their common problems, and they've got their common issues, and they've got their common things, and there's nothing else that they really want to bring in.

They don't want a higher perspective, they don't want a higher communication, they don't want a higher thought process, they don't want any of that. They just want to be human and deal with human stuff in a human way, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. But then once you Scratch the veil.

It's just a little bit. It's just like a little, it's almost there's this opening and it's almost like the twilight zone opens up and you're like, wait a [00:28:00] minute, what am I doing? Like why am I living like this? Why am I thinking these things? Why am I addicted to the phone and the drama and the likes and the what is it that I what am I really doing?

What do I really want? What have I done with my life? What am I going to do with my life? What, all of a sudden the whole, this whole other world opens up. And then there's two kinds of people. The people who are trying to figure out how to go from who they are on the side of the veil where they are, to how to get into what they're seeing of Manifestation and prosperity and abundance and it's I want to go in there.

How do I go from where I am to going there? And then there's the other people who will just literally scratch a hole in the veil and all they care about is getting there. It's not a question of how do I get from here to there? They're like, I'm going there. I'm already there. I'm there in [00:29:00] my thoughts, my feelings.

I'm obsessed. This is where I'm going. And I feel like this is where sometimes. The gap in human, in, in the human experience is so big because there's the people who aren't even aware there's a veil. There's the people who are noticing that there's a veil but don't even know what the veil means.

There's the people who started scratching the veil and think everyone on the other side of the veil has lost their marbles. There's the people that are on this side of the veil. 

Homaya: Suspecting the veil. I see the veil, but is it really a veil or maybe I'm not seeing so well.

Melanie Ann Layer: I like that. They're just, 

they're suspicious of the whole veil.

Am I seeing things? What's happening? And then there's the people who scratch the veil, see what's on the other side and spend their entire life wondering how they could possibly get to the other side. And then there's the people who just, the minute they see there's another side, they just go the other side.

And there's so many different versions of it. And there is no right, wrong, good, bad. It's just like everyone is living their own experience of it. 

Homaya: [00:30:00] Yeah, 

Melanie Ann Layer: it always, it's always so interesting for me having been on the other side of this kind of conversation now, since really solid really solid, I would say since 2021, the kind of conversations in my world are just, it's just beyond beyond, So like three years of nonstop conversations that I would have thought nothing of just a decade ago. It's like how fast your whole reality can change. 

Homaya: Yeah, in a second, in a day, in the night. I didn't 

Melanie Ann Layer: think love like this was possible. I didn't think money like this was possible. I didn't think success like this was possible.

I didn't think respect like this was possible. I didn't think visibility like this was possible. I didn't think transformation like this was possible. I didn't think purpose like this was possible. I didn't think passion like this was possible. I didn't think self concept of me in this way was possible.

This kind of relationship to my identity, my emotions, my communication, my language, myself. Everything has changed.

Homaya: [00:31:00] Into the truth. Into the truth. Into the wholeness. It's so powerful. It's so powerful. I agree with you. We cannot know why it's like that. Why people are waking up, why people are allowing themselves, but still,

even in the Alpha Femme as you describe it, and in other methods or presence or leaders and so on, we're here also to direct and to open the gates for this dimension of life experience to be more and more common. and allow people at least to be inspired. I remember I had a conversation with a friend of mine and we looked at a person that became a millionaire and a multi millionaire, [00:32:00] and she looked at her and she said something like, who is she?

What is she thinking of herself? And I said, I looked at her and I said, look how amazing she is. She cracked the code. Look how sweet, all I could see is like the sweetness, all I could see is like I could smell sweetness, I could smell freedom, I could smell the joy, I could, like I was like so and she was like.

Melanie Ann Layer: That is something that I've always really admired about you and at first it was really shocking because I'd never met anybody like you before. A person who can see the good in other people without the initial reaction to try to hope there's something wrong. People they'll see an amazing person and they'll look immediately for what's wrong that makes up [00:33:00] for the greatness, whereas you just look at the greatness.

And it's such an incredible thing because I'm used to people looking at me and looking for the thing that's wrong. It's just a normal thing people do. They're like, yeah, but oh god the thing she does with it, the thing she says, the way she she did, like whatever it is about me they'll say, yeah, she's this, look at the dumb glasses look at the way the stupid baby goddess or the monkey Finger monkey boy can't handle the voices.

She's so annoying. I can't have, yeah, but it's easy for her. She's got, oh yeah, but whereas for you from the moment I met you, it was like, this is what's beautiful about you. This is what's extraordinary about you with no, but. You just wanted to inform me of what was great about me, as waiting for the other shoe to drop and it never dropped.

I'm like, that is, that's why I always told you the wisdom, the wise soul that you are. I'm just so grateful for the planet that you [00:34:00] exist, because I feel like you have codes for the whole world to calibrate to. That is the kind of, that is the kind of holy wisdom that I wish was more present in today's society, because Everyone wants to become something.

Everyone wants to become someone that they're so proud of. And it's such a duality to realize that once you become when you're, wishing to become something, everyone tells you, you deserve it and you'll do it. And you, they believe in you. And once you've done it, they question whether you deserve it or not, whether you're capable or not, and it's such a fast switch.

And what's crazy is when you, and this is why I'm so grateful I've been doing this inner work because I don't know that I would have been able to carry it if I hadn't put down the need for other people's approval. If I would have needed the need, if I would have kept the need for other people's approval through my journey, the minute I would have received everything I'd always asked for, I would have put it down.

Because the thing that would have given me their approval would have been to fail. Because that's where the love would have come in. [00:35:00] That's where the, Oh my gosh, we're so sorry this happened to you would have come in. Oh my gosh. And so staying successful was the thing that separated me from the most people.

Not because you're like, here's what's great about you. But it is such an incredible thing to say. I think when I'm going to be successful, I'll finally get the recognition or I'll finally get the thing I've always wanted. And somewhere between you wanting it and you having it, something changes where people start looking at you differently.

And they're like, do you deserve it? Are you good enough? And so to find people that actually value and respect transformation, value and respect what it takes for a person to break free or emancipate or become what they wanted to become without the lens, it's so rare. And it's such an incredible thing.

Homaya: You made me so emotional. And at the same time, you made me so happy because there were so many things that you shared. [00:36:00] This lack of interest in validation, knowing that there's no external Bible. It's it's your Bible. You got it. You are the one writing the Bible currently. You're writing the Bible, you won't find the answer.

And it 

Melanie Ann Layer: doesn't mean you don't appreciate being seen. It doesn't mean you don't feel so grateful when someone says something kind to you. It doesn't mean it doesn't feel good when someone recognizes you. What it means is you don't drive your entire life just for people to do that. 

Homaya: Yes, And also it doesn't mean that it's not hard when people are changing faces.

It is hard, it can be even devastating. But it doesn't mean that it is the end. It's an experience, and that is experience valid as any other experience in order to keep on mining the mine of God. It's a valid experience, that is experience, and another experience, and I have enough space inside of [00:37:00] me to have those experiences, and those experiences.

I'm not going to judge not myself or the experience. I'm actually interested in the vastness of having it. experiencing it all. And I'm allowing myself to calibrate into this vastness more and more as I walk. I love that. I love that as well.

Oh my God. Melanie, I want to, oh, ours. Keep on recording. Who cares? Take care of all the rest of the things that needs to be done. But I do want us to in this frequency, as we are, and in the space that we have, in this love that we have,

so you know, I came to your world from the world of healing. right? Healing and like deep spirituality and a lineage and I had a master and I was like [00:38:00] like almost we can say traditional experience. And you are, you raised yourself in the world of coaching and mentoring. And I find so much similarities.

I also find differences, but I do want us to In this expansion, to look into the future,

It's so interesting for me. The history of healing and self awareness and how everything evolved and also to where is it going and where are we going as humanity and there's so many aspects to look at. And when you are in such a, you're trailblazing. I'm like trailblazing sometimes, excuse me, I'm going to say [00:39:00] that as well.

Sometimes you say trailblazing and you have this image of one driving in his car in an unknown land, but with you, it's I'm not trailblazing. I'm actually now building another planet. Trailblazing is too small for me. 

Melanie Ann Layer: I love that. 

Homaya: So when you see where we are heading, like when you, look a little bit further ahead, do you have some insights, some vision that you would like to.

Melanie Ann Layer: I realized throughout this journey.

That people really love the sound of personal development, the sound of spirituality. They love what it sounds like, they love hearing about it. They love saying it 

Homaya: getting tanned. Do you remember? We spoke about it, getting tanned by \the light. 

Melanie Ann Layer: Yeah. And I think [00:40:00] that it's become a little bit of a trend to position yourself in a way Where you know things and you can speak about things without actually going into the deep representation of what really knowing those things would mean.

And so my feeling is that the, there has been a very long season for human beings of people preaching a word. And having a profession where preaching a word was enough. And what we found throughout the years is a lot of the people who preached the word did not live by the word. And so I think that what's actually happening right now is like a, spiritual and, also very human conflict about who is actually meant to hold these concepts.

Who [00:41:00] was actually supposed to lead these concepts? Is it just because we can talk about them that it's our place to do it? Or are we actually supposed to live by them? And I just think that now with artificial intelligence, like you could write an artificial intelligence book about spirituality, it'll write the whole thing for you. That doesn't mean anything. 

Homaya: There's no frequency in there. 

Melanie Ann Layer: There's no frequency. There's no meaning. There's no life changing, life altering frequency that's going to. Jump into your soul when you read the book is just words. And so I think that there's a lot of. A lot of work in the coaching and in this spiritual world, or it's like you've got to really be honest about whether you're a teacher or a student of this work.

And if you're a teacher, you're still a student of this work, but not everyone's ready to teach it because if we don't live by it, it's not time yet. And I've often had people ask me like how did you get people to hire you or how do [00:42:00] you get this many people to listen to you and you know what are you doing when you get all these people I'm like I don't get people to do anything I do what I'm doing and then I talk about it and the frequency of that is so superior to what most people are actually experiencing when they talk about this stuff that it's shocking when I talk in comparison because it's like This is not just her speaking, this is her, this is real, and that is so different, and it's so rare.

And so people get really offended what's so special about you? You're not as cool, or as pretty, or as this, or as that, and it's I don't need to be, I mean it. That's it, that's enough. So live by it, don't worry so much about if this is really your journey, this spiritual teacher or, a mentor of extremely powerful concepts, .

This is actually what you're going for as a [00:43:00] profession. Your job is to live by it and to really accept all the assignments that come from it, and to learn to conquer yourself and to learn to conquer all of the human experiences and the emotional and spiritual repercussions that come with deciding that you're going to lead this work, not just talk about it.

And I think that's the future. It is just gonna become a little bit more difficult to be known as a real force in this work unless you're actually living by it. People are gonna just tell, they go, this person can talk about it, that person lives by it. 

Homaya: I see. 

Melanie Ann Layer: There's a difference between God, Jesus, and the priest.

There's a difference between the person who speaks the word and the person who lives the word. And it's the journey of becoming someone that I will actually believe is worthy of some of the things people say that I am right now. It's gonna take me a whole lifetime. And I might not even get to the point where I'm like, [00:44:00] yes, still now.

I'm like, I'm still figuring it out. I'm still human, but the frequency is so high because I live by it. But will we ever be fully the one? That's a life's journey just because you understand the concept does not make you. there yet. And I think that humility and that, that thing that you're, yes, you're a teacher of this work, but you're a student of this work and you live by it every day and you don't expect that everyone should listen to you because you're perfect at it, but you know that you are the embodiment, the truth of this work, like that's, the frequency somewhere in between the most true.

true and honest human you can possibly be that you're not this immortal that you're still a human but that you're living by the concepts as though god asked you to personally and not just when people are watching and i just feel like people are going to feel that but we'll feel the difference it won't be [00:45:00] possible to just look like it anymore.

Homaya: Yeah. Yeah. I feel, especially when people are not watching. Yeah. That can be seen, especially if you are like that, when people are not watching, then they will grasp it. Even if they cannot explain it. Because their eyes are already so distorted from alternatives and illusions and fake and copies. Maybe they wouldn't get it, but their heart eyes will.

Melanie Ann Layer: I can't remember who says this, it might be Jim Rohn, but people get rewarded in public for what they do in private. And with the social media era where everyone's look at what I look at, what I'm doing, trying to be rewarded in public for things they do publicly. It's so much more effort. And so I think it's just [00:46:00] if you can really take away from this conversation, it's not about what it looks like.

It's about what it is. It's not about whether it looks like you've got it, it's about have you got it. And if you haven't got it, are you studying it, are you deepening it, are you living by it because it's important that you've got it, or are you just positioning it so it looks like you've got it when you don't.

It's the truth. There is no frequency more powerful on earth than the frequency of truth. You know when you're living by something. And there's no guilt or shame in it because the work we're doing is real incredible work and it's not about oh, I'm better than you because I live by it. It's. I live by it, so I live by it.

There's no better It's just, if I'm gonna If I'm gonna live by it, then I'm gonna teach about living by it. My frequency will probably be a lot more solid than a person who learned about it and is teaching it from hearing about it and liking how it sounds. So you go deeper and deeper, but the deeper you go, the stronger the tests are, [00:47:00] because if if you're really going to be, if you're going to live by it, then we've got to test that you actually know what you're talking about.

If you're a leader, then let's test the leadership. If you're a lover, then let's test the love. If you're a healer, then let's test the healing. If you're You know, whatever it is that you're here to do on the planet and you think you got it, let's test it to see if you got it. And I have been tested over and over again.

But I'm like if I haven't got it, I want to know because then I've got so much further to go. And if I do have it, I also want to know so I can celebrate my growth. So really bring it on. 

Homaya: Yeah, I want to speak, I want to speak into this testing experience just to clarify something also share my perspective about it.

I don't feel that there is an external universe who is testing us. What I feel is that we're being presented. with an alternative in order to stretch our spiritual muscles. [00:48:00] And it feels like a test because we are asking ourselves, are we going to make it? But it's like it's an opportunity, it's an invitation to stretch your spiritual muscles, to stir, to stretch your personal power.

I feel that this is the same description of what you are describing as a test. And I feel that for me, It really supported me in my journey to understand that there's no way that I'm failing in any test. There's just a stretch that I can stretch. How much am I stretching? How much am I expanding? How much am I integrating?

How much am I becoming? How much am I embodying? That is the degree. There's no failing here. It's just another opportunity and another opportunity because you've already been chosen and you accepted it. You follow the calling.

Melanie Ann Layer: That's [00:49:00] really beautiful. My experience is that there's been a lot of failure on my journey and the failure has not been bad. It's been really important. But I've had to for me and I think that the beautiful thing about these journeys is that we all have an experience of them that we can guide people through our concepts and we can guide people through our lens.

But when I talk about testing, I'll tell you, I'll tell you where this comes from for me, this word and why it happens like this. About. Eight, 17 or 18 years ago, my brother was going through school as an engineer, and one of his tasks he had to do was build a bridge. He had to build it all online, and then this was basically a mock up for a real bridge.

And he was really proud, he got great grades for it. And he shows me this bridge, and I'm like, so this is on a computer how do we know that this bridge will hold? And he says, [00:50:00] we have to test it. And I said how do you test the bridge? He said, you apply more. More weight onto the bridge than whatever pass on it on a daily basis and you'll basically compound the weight of the bridge to see if it'll move or if there's any kind of wobble whatsoever.

And then if it can withhold the pressure and the weight, then as many cars or people could pass on it for decades and decades it'll withhold the weight. And I said, and what if it doesn't? Withhold the weight. He says that it breaks and you're really grateful that it was the weight that broke it and not the people or the trucks.

Yeah. Later on my journey, I had experiences where force was applied onto me, onto my heart, my soul, my spirit, and I cracked. And the thought that came through for me is leaders are like bridges. 

They [00:51:00] need to be tested first before the people could walk on the 

bridge.

And I really contemplated this thought that came through for me, and I remembered what my brother explained to me, and I was like, I want to be the kind of person that creates an emotional, spiritual, mental bridge for people to walk on. I want to create a feeling of empowerment. That's strong enough for people to walk on when they're feeling worried and they wouldn't have made the steps themselves.

I want to create a feeling of leadership where people are able to be self led when they would have not made the moves without my presence. I want to create that. But what if I'm not strong enough to hold that? What if enough pressure from the outside, enough judgment from the outside, enough financial pressure from the outside, applied onto me, made me quit?

Then am I actually doing a service to the world by declaring myself as the bridge? If there was too much pressure on me, I would [00:52:00] break. So before I get the big thing that I say I'm ready for, you've gotta apply pressure to see if I can hold it. And the recent years, every time the pressure has come and I felt it, I also felt I haven't shaken.

And now I know I'm ready because it's like the pressure is on, but I'm not breaking. The pressure is on, and I withstand it. Leaders are bridges, and bridges are tested, before people walk on the bridge. And now I know I can hold people, and I can hold pressure, and I can hold projections, and I can hold pain, and I can hold all kinds of things, and that's really what's required from a strong leader in this particular way that I lead, and in this particular way that I am, and the topics I talk about, and the way I present myself, my brand, all of it, like these were my, quote unquote, tests.

So is it possible that for you with your presence, your stance, your weight, [00:53:00] that it is more of an invitation and a stretch? Yes, I absolutely see that. And I think that depending, some people might listen to this and hear you and say, that's more what I've had, stretches, an invitation to stretch. And other people might listen to me and say, oh my gosh, that's exactly what happened to me.

The pressure was applied. And I found out I needed to grow some more because I did break and it wasn't time for me to carry people on my bridge. It wasn't time, but now I feel stronger and now I feel it. And that's exactly what happened to me. And so I feel like different people have different experiences and they can be explained in different ways.

But for me, this has been one of the most powerful ways for me to hold the pressure when it comes is this is a muscle test. This is a bridge test. And if I can handle this, then I can handle all the foot traffic and I've been praying for the foot traffic. I want to help people. I want to serve people. I want to lead people.

A lot of people are supposed to be able to walk on this bridge and not all of them are going to be happy when they [00:54:00] walk on it. Some people will project things, some people will not nice things while they walk on this bridge. If I can't handle it, I need to know before I invite the masses to walk on this bridge.

Homaya: I need to share with you like a type of a cosmic. moment that I had while you were sharing. And I don't know if you have seen that I had the tears coming. So of course, thanks God we had so many conversations. But this is the second public conversation. And there was another so called public conversation that we had, so in the presence of other people.

And the one common thing with all of those conversations is that we arrive to the conversation, leaders are bridges and bridges are tested. It's the third time that I'm sitting with you and I'm hearing that. 

Melanie Ann Layer: Whoa. [00:55:00] 

Homaya: So I'm listening to you and to God and I'm saying to myself, what is it that it is the third time in the channel?

In AFINX. And now here that I arrived to this conversation with Melanie and I hear inside of me because you already passed the test.

And then as I'm hearing that you are speaking and you said, so the pressure was, and I know that I can handle it almost like you're sharing with me that you already passed the test. Like second before it was like, I heard God saying, you already passed the test.

Melanie Ann Layer: Whoa, this is huge. 

Homaya: [00:56:00] Three conversations, the same sentence, and the same topic coming again.

Melanie Ann Layer: It was meant to be for sure then.

Homaya: Yeah.

Yeah. Thank you. 

Melanie Ann Layer: It's an honor, as always.

Homaya: And thank you for everyone who witnessed that.

I had probably to knock on my door to that extent. Like I do admire everything that 

happened in this conversation, I think it was an epic conversation. I'm so happy that people are witnessing it, but I felt that I received such a massive download. And that takes me as we're coming to [00:57:00] completion, it takes me also When you choose a mentor and you choose a teacher and you really want to learn from them, you come with an open heart.

Come to get it. Just come to get it. 

Melanie Ann Layer: Yeah, that's really important. 

Homaya: It's gonna find a way to come to your head even if you are like

Melanie Ann Layer: It'll find you.

Homaya: Melanie Ann Layer, you're gorgeous. 

Melanie Ann Layer: You're divine. Gorgeous and divine also. I think that we are a beautiful match. 

Homaya: Thank you so much. Such a beautiful conversation. Every conversation that I have with you. Thank you. I'm so happy that We could allow people to feel the dynamic, to hear your teaching, to hear your wisdom, to get your frequency, to get your guidance, to be [00:58:00] inspired.

And I'm very grateful for your presence in my life. 

Melanie Ann Layer: Thank you, Homaya. It means so much to me.

Thank you for having me on.

Homaya: Such a pleasure.