EP 72 - How Small Sparks of Curiosity Can Reignite Your Vitality

Hey there, welcome back to The Habit Within. I’m Camille Kinsler, and I’m so excited to bring you another episode in our Summer Series—where I’m having real, raw conversations with women who are truly living on purpose and radiating vitality in their everyday lives.

In this episode, I sat down with two incredible women: Erin Tietz of The Daily Fascia and Dr. Rebecca Provorse, a naturopathic doctor and expert in rhythmic hormone therapy. We talked all about how they stay grounded, joyful, and energized—especially when life feels full and messy.

🌱 In this episode, I share:

• How Erin finds vitality through small sparks of curiosity—whether it's planting something in her yard, foraging for wild herbs, or picking up a new creative hobby like collage.
• Why embracing simple, joyful moments (like laughing at a podcast or going for a walk) can shift your energy in powerful ways.
• Erin’s gentle reminders about giving ourselves grace and allowing inspiration to unfold without needing it to be perfect.
• Dr. Rebecca’s approach to “rhythmic living”—how she aligns her sleep, food, and work habits with natural seasonal rhythms, and why it’s been so deeply healing for her.
• Ways we can all start syncing with the seasons and tuning in to what our bodies are truly asking for—especially in midlife.

Whether you’re deep in perimenopause or just feeling a little off-track, this episode is a gentle nudge to reconnect with what lights you up and let yourself be curious again.

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Transcript

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Hey, welcome back to The Habit Within. I'm your host, Camille Kinsler. And in today's episode, we're continuing the summer series where I have interviewed women who I feel are truly embodying what it means to be fulfilled and lit up and on purpose in their lives.

And I don't know about you, but so often I want to know, like, how do you do it? Like, how do you manage to what seems like have it all, maybe this really successful career or this really put together family life or whatever success or, you know, achieving might look like to you. I feel like these women embody it. And I just know on a personal level that we slip up, like life isn't perfect all the time.

And so I really wanted to ask women who are, you know, like who, who quote unquote have it all, how they do it, how they stay vital, how they stay on purpose. And really like what happens when they slip up when, when maybe there isn't that consistent joy or consistent productivity or consistent vitality, like how do they get back on track? So we're continuing the series. If you haven't listened to the ones prior to this, go and do that.

There are good, there are pieces of their gems in each of these episodes. So, you know, I want you to be able to find a little nugget to take with you in your life, especially as we're entering the second half of the year, officially we've passed the middle mark. And, and I know that, yeah, I know that life can feel very heavy and I think it's feeling very heavy for most of us.

At least that's what I'm tapping into within the collective energy and also within the people that I speak with, not only within my clients, but also with my dearest friends. So anytime we can get little pieces of brightness in the world, I think that we should attach ourselves to it because yeah, slipping into the shadows seems like a really easy place to be right now. And so anytime that we can create more ease or more alignment in our world, I think we should, we should do it.

We should attach ourselves or start listening to things that inspire us and uplift us because everywhere we look, I think it pulls our attention to the negative. And so, yeah, so here we are, you're going to hear from two, I think, brilliant women who are not only leading the way in their field, but also really living by example. And that's really what I'm looking at here is like, you know, women who are actually walking the walk, like how can we, how can we pull from their energy and clarity and self-trust and how can we start putting that into our own lives? So first we're going to sit down with Erin Teets of the Daily Fascia.

And she really shares how simple curiosity, like putting a plant in the ground or playing with paper and glue or crafts can really open the door for her to really access more joy and more presence in her life. And particularly when, you know, all of the demands of parenting and her business and emotional ups and downs can really get in the way sometimes. So her perspective on grace and creativity and staying connected to nature is one that we can all learn from as well as from Dr. Rebecca Perforce.

She is a naturopathic doctor. She's an expert in rhythmic hormone therapy as well. And she really offers a very refreshing reminder that our bodies really thrive when we return to the natural rhythm.

And we can say the natural rhythm is something as easy as just going with the flow of the day and nighttime cycles. So from food to sleep to screen time, she shares all about how living in sync with the seasons really helps regulate her energy and supports her deeply, her deep, her healing journey on a deep level. So this episode is going to be for you if you're craving more ease and alignment and permission to really live life on your own terms, because these women do that.

So whether you are deep in perimenopause or menopause, or you just feel called to reconnect with what really matters, this is an episode for you. And of course, as always, I would love to hear what you really love or what you feel like you have received from listening to today's episode. All right, and share this with somebody that you love.

And please go over and give me a five-star review if you feel so called. I appreciate you so much, and I will see you next week's episode. Hi, Erin of The Daily Frasher.

Thank you for coming on to the series where we follow up with our favorite speaker from the 21-Day Summit on holistic practices for vitality, energy, and confidence in perimenopause and beyond. I'm so happy that you are here. And what I'm asking speakers to answer is, how do you stay vital and on purpose at this time in your life and mid-life? I was thinking about this and reflecting on my daily life.

And I have a 10- and 8-year-old still, and they both have challenging behaviors. So there's a lot of mental space used up by that. And I have my own business, and it's incredibly important to me, and it's very fulfilling.

But trying to find balance between everything is hard. And I really thrive on learning and trying new things. A couple years back, my son was 2, and he dug a hole in the backyard.

And at first, I was like, oh, I'm not going to deal with that. I'm like, wait. Maybe I'll throw some plants in there.

And I started gardening. And it's one of the things, plants and gardening. I even forage for wild plants, and I make homemade balms and medicines out of them.

That helps me to balance between thinking about work all the time and then the kids all the time. And it's just something that I find interesting. So for anyone, it can be whatever piques their interest.

So that, to me, I think is what keeps me vital because I'm excited to learn. I'm excited to see, can I make this plant grow? And then can I cook with it? And for me, that is a big piece of it, being in nature and trying new things and continue to learn. So if there's somebody out there, and they're like, OK, well, I don't really know what my interests are, or I'm not really into trying new things, but I want to be.

I really want to be because I want to have an outlet for myself that doesn't have to do with mentally processing at work or my kids or whatever it might be. How do you, and I know this might be very hard because you may have been an inquisitive person all of your life, so you might really not know these steps, but I think this is so important. How do you get into that state of inquiry in order to find vitality through it? Two things popped into my mind.

One, go for a walk. Things happen when you're walking. Your mind will have a space to settle with where it needs to be.

And if you can't get out of what's going on with work or what's going on with your family, take a look at the nature around you. So if you're on a walk and there's a patch of grass next to you, take a step into it and get down and look at it and look at how the grass grows. Is it just one piece of grass that comes up from the ground? Are there smaller little plants that are growing in between it? And sometimes just that alone can spark a change for our brain to realize how much is happening around us.

And not that you'd be interested in the plants or the grass or anything like that, but it might clear your mind to have the space to kind of leave those other things for a moment and redirect. So going for a walk just without the goal of having some brilliant idea emerge, like this is what I'm going to do. I'm going to start to paint, but just let it organically happen.

And the other idea, and I've been thinking about this a lot lately because we've had some challenging times and some losses recently that have been really hard. And even with being in a tough place with difficult things happening, we all have been there. And if you haven't, we will, we just will not get through this life without challenging times is to find a way to smile or laugh.

And if you can't bring it about yourself, find a comedy on TV or a audio book that's funny or something that whatever type of humor interests you that you enjoy, just the act of finding something that's going to make you smile or laugh can help to just shift just enough that it can also open the door to just new interests and also just help you navigate those times that get kind of overwhelming and difficult. I'm just trying to find a way to smile and laugh more. Yeah.

Do you ever find where maybe something drops into your mind as inspiration, maybe like planting, right? Gardening. I don't know if you had ever gardened before you decided to put a plant in that hole. Is there ever a moment where you tell yourself, well, I can't do that.

I don't know how to do that. And then if so, how do you walk through that discomfort? Um, I think my challenge is less about I can't do that because I typically was trained from my dance teacher at a very young, young age to, we weren't allowed to say I can't ever, whether we're dancing or not, just that doesn't, you can't say that. You're not supposed to say that.

Um, I think where I struggle a little bit more is that I might get into something like gardening and then I want to go all in, but I don't have the time and space to really do what is now in my mind or what I'm learning. I can't execute it. And then I have a hard time and I get frustrated.

Um, the time and space is where I feel limited and that's where I get more challenged with stuff like that. And I'm still looking for ways to, to navigate that. I don't know about you, but sometimes when I'm researching and the way our technology works, I'm like, okay, I'm just going to read this article, but then there's an ad and it's like, Oh, I really need to know about that.

And I might go into that and into that and that. And I'm just spiraling. And I don't even remember where I began.

And that to me is so incredibly frustrating. But what I've just recently started to do is when that's happening, you try to come back to where I started and understand that whatever just pulled me away. If, if I do need to know about that, it will come back to me and it's okay.

And I can let it go versus like, I have to write every single note about every single thing down. So I don't forget anything, but just to know that things are entering, they're becoming part of my understanding and knowledge and it's overwhelming at times, but what doesn't stick will come back if it needs to. Yeah, that is really important, especially in this day and age to know when to walk away from something.

And if it's really important that it will come back to you, like you mentioned, I actually started a process where if it's so important to the loved ones and people around me, I want to hear about it from them and not from the news. Although I still like, you know, we still find ourselves there because then I know that I can actually have a conversation about it. If somebody around me is really passionate, then I can say like, how can I help support you in doing something? Or like, how can you help me in my passion in doing something versus more of this echo chamber or feeling so overwhelmed by what we're, what we're receiving that we're, we get into a free state.

So I want to touch on this a little bit when you said that. So, so you still, even though you know that you might get to a point where you don't have time, you still manage to find new interest and dive into it. So what do you tell yourself about when it pops up? Like, Oh, I don't have time to really dive into this interest.

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Well, I let myself start it. Like recently I got into collage and so I don't, I don't know, I got into it this winter and I buy a few of the things. If it's not a big investment, then I'm like, all right, lean into it.

And, um, and I'll start and I'll do it almost as my way to separate again, work in personal life and just have that space to do something with my hands, like knit or do the collage and cutting papers and being intricate motor skills. And I look at the value just even in that one moment, that one time I did it as still helpful and what I needed versus, Oh, I started this whole project and I didn't finish it. I do have a lot of things that I started don't finish all the time, but I try to give myself grace and also just enjoy it when it's in, even if it's just starting and it doesn't come to completion, I'm still doing something that is, that feels good and is helpful.

Okay. And it increases your vitality. Yes.

Having that interest in life. Um, I love that. So the one last, a couple, a couple more questions is one is when you, um, let's say aren't getting out there for the walk cause you, and you know, you need it or don't have time for your projects or, um, yeah, don't really have that.

Don't do that. You myopic focus on the one little blade of grass when you catch yourself, right? Cause you don't really know when we're in it, when we're not doing practicing our tools, but when you do find yourself like, Oh gosh, you know, I really need to get out there in nature. What do you tell yourself? What is that inner voice in you? What does it say to get you moving and going again? And I give myself grace.

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I do. I say it's okay if I didn't do that today. I did a lot of other really good things today.

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And sometimes for me it's just doing the dishes. Some people hate them. I, I have a love hate I think with them, but I feel like I succeeded cause I completed a task when they're done.

Um, but I give myself grace and I just remind myself like there's always tomorrow and I'm doing so many good things right now that are helpful and I feel good about them. So it's in my mind. It's, it will happen if not today than another day.

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Oh, thank you so much for that. I think so often we always think of that inner critic that comes up, but we also at times have this other angel on our shoulder. That's, that's, that is motivating us.

That is our cheerleader. And even if we don't have that or we don't have it for a particular situation, we can learn and we can practice trying it on. We can't fake it like the fake it till you make it.

I'm not sure if that is true, but at least we can start saying, Oh, you know what? I heard this thing that Aaron said, and I'm just going to see if it actually helps. And so that was the really the point and purpose of this is to give people actionable tools that they can implement into their lives to model what women who are feeling really vital and energetic and on purpose in their lives. And I know it's not 100% of the time where that's not how life is, but we're the majority.

So thank you so much for sharing your gifts with us. Thank you. So great.

Happy to be here. Hey, Dr. Rebecca, thank you so much for coming on the podcast series where we get to know the summit speakers a little bit more intimately. And I basically asked how do you stay vital on purpose and energetic in your own life? And you and I were talking a little bit and what I learned is something really special and unique about you.

And not only do you practice rhythmic hormone replacement therapy, but you also practice, practice rhythmic lifestyle. So I would love for you to share what that is and if we just coined it and then why you've chosen that. It's funny that you said that.

Maybe we can write a book together because I'm really interested actually in this. But yeah, so five years ago in the middle of the pandemic, my husband and I decided we wanted to leave the city. We'd lived there for over 25 years and we were we were done living in an urban environment.

And we moved out to the country. I live in a very rural area. We have it's very dark at night.

There's no street lights. There's very limited light pollution here. And it's very quiet.

So one of the things that that and then being doing telehealth has allowed me to do is walk my talk a little bit more as far as lifestyle recommendations. So as I was we were talking earlier, you were asking me about when I see patients. You know, in the winter, I don't work as long a days.

I don't start seeing my patients until nine a.m. and I'm done by about two thirty or three. In the summer, I start seeing patients at eight thirty or eight even. So I'm getting up an hour or two earlier because it's lighter because the sun comes up at five in the middle of the summer.

But in the winter, it doesn't come up until eight. So I basically let I don't set alarms. I let my body wake up unless I unless there's a reason I really have to.

It's a bit rare for me to set an alarm. I sleep and I go to bed when I'm tired at night, which is usually after dark. I don't watch a lot of TV.

I grow my own food. I eat mostly organic. Again, I have the privilege of being able to buy things that are organic.

And I also grow my own much of my own food and or preserve food that I get from local farmers and agriculture where I live. So, yeah, I, you know, I stay physically active. It's probably my my weakest area is is is being as physically active as I should be.

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I live on a lake and so I can paddle on the lake during the summer and then I hike around the lake in the in the winter. And we have a few tools that we use for indoor activity, like a yoga mat and a and a rower. But yeah, generally, I believe in eating in season and sleeping, you know, with the sun, rising with the sun and going to sleep when it's dark.

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That's all part of the rhythmic endocrinology that that our ancestors used to do before before the invention of light. You know, probably one of the things that's been most impactful to our endocrinology is is the electric light to those guys over there, because now we can make it daytime 24 hours a day. And we do people work and our cities are light 24 hours a day.

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And and we know now there's lots of research with clock genes and and, you know, that kind of endocrinology. We know that people who work night shift have a much higher incidence of cancers than people who who work during the days. So I'm assuming that when you shifted over that there was there was a time, a period to get used to not having all of the external just being in the city, just having the energy of the city, not like the street lights and all of that, but just everything else that you were used to.

So how did you can you just teach us like maybe some like three or four steps that that you had to kind of retrain yourself in when you were moving into more of a rhythmic lifestyle? Yeah, well, I definitely started with. And again, a lot of this is privilege that everybody can afford this and or has access to these things. But even before I left the city, I started eating more in season.

Part of my my my my politics, my way of living is to do things that are going to perpetuate all of our health. And so if I can afford it, I buy organic. If I can afford it, I buy locally grown.

And so I started making those choices early on. And then I wanted to buy if it's locally grown, then it has to be in season. So I started limiting where I would buy my food from.

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I would only buy from like northern California to the border of like Washington. That's still the equivalent of three states where I live. And again, I live near California, so I could get produce that was, you know, someone who just lived in, say, Vermont would have a harder time.

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But but trying to limit the footprint of where I ate meant buying food that got shipped from those places, not getting stuff that came from Mexico or from Costa Rica or from Hawaii meant not just an environmental choice, but it also meant that I was eating in season. And if I'm growing my own food and preserving my own food, then I'm also staying with what is very local, I mean, literally out my front door. And so that's what I did.

I started doing that when I lived in the city, had access to garden space, either through a community garden or backyard. And I had access to either co-ops or natural food stores. And the ability, again, privilege to make those choices started with food and also started with sleep.

I probably educate, you know, a good 50 or more percent of my patients on going to sleep earlier. So many people don't go off to get off their screens at night. You know, they turn on their TVs or they look at their phones and they're looking at blue light and they're then struggling going to sleep before midnight.

And then they wake up at five or six with the kids and they're exhausted. And sometimes what I do is just tell them to go to bed earlier. It's very basic, but they need the order or the permission to not do social media at night or not watch television to relax, but find some other ways that are healthier so they can plug back into their normal rhythms, which includes the sleep-wake cycle.

Yeah. Yeah. I go to bed before my 13-year-old.

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I feel like a thing now. I'm like, you know, I don't know. I mean, we're not a technology family, so he doesn't like have access to that stuff when I'm asleep.

But still, I'm just like, okay, it's nine o'clock. I'm going to bed. I don't know what time you go to bed.

I think he goes to bed. Teenagers are a whole, they have completely different, because of their ramping up of sex hormones, their rhythms are off. They really should be doing school from like noon to five.

They should not have to go to school at seven in the morning. It's just cruel, because their hormones are such that they stay up late and sleep in late. Yeah.

Yeah, exactly. Well, thank you so much for this. So I love that reminder about eating seasonally.

I live in Texas. You live in Oregon. The agriculture is so different in these two states, the weather, the land.

When I eat seasonally, or if I did choose to just eat seasonally in the summertime in August, and I would just be eating tomatoes and cucumbers. The only thing that grows in this heat. You may have to expand your radius a little bit to be reasonable.

But you know, it means not, and you know, you get better food. If you're not trying to buy tomatoes in December, you know, it means I don't eat, I rarely eat a green salad in the winter. Like I just don't like my leafy greens are steamed or cooked or canned, because I oftentimes will make, will preserve these leafy greens like kale or chards or whatever.

That's, those are pretty much my leafy greens in the winter. Whereas in the summer, I'm all about the salads and the tomatoes and stuff, because we can get those. They taste so much better then too.

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It's so true. It's so true. Okay, thank you so much for this.

Really appreciate you. And a link to contact Dr. Rebecca about rhythmic hormone therapy, a naturopathic doctor in Oregon. Just reach out and see if it looks like it would be a good fit for you to work together.

And if you can, depending on your state and yeah, I look forward to hearing more from you in the future. Thank you.