Breaking Cycles & Mixing Cocktails: A Heart-to-Heart with Angel Wilborn

Angel Wilborn joins Penny for Your Shots for a deep dive into resilience, personal growth, and the power of accountability. From overcoming limiting beliefs to sharing her podcast journey, Angel offers insights every female entrepreneur needs to hear. Plus, we shake things up with creative cocktail recipes like "Son of a Nutcracker."

Highlights:

• [00:02:23] Angel shares about her son's media program and morning dance parties.
• [00:13:58] Tips for solopreneurs on PR and crisis management.
• [00:23:31] What it means to be a “bitter quitter” and overcoming self-doubt.
• [00:39:25] The importance of leaving space for growth and magic in life goals.
• [00:43:35] Creative cocktail recipes and the story behind “Son of a Nutcracker.”

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Transcript

[00:00:00] Penny Fitzgerald: Angel Wilborn has been a guest on the Penny for your Shots podcast before. We met on a Facebook group for female podcasters, swapped interviews and quickly hit it off. In this episode we recorded in December, we caught up on our personal lives. Angel is actively involved at her son's school and it's fascinating and super fun to hear how elementary school kids are incorporating technology and media into their daily lives.

[00:01:01] They're creating some amazing things. Angel and I chatted also about making commitments to ourselves and sticking with it through disappointments. It's so important to have a coach or a buddy, or both, for accountability and encouragement. Why is it easier to keep a commitment to someone else than one we make for ourselves?

[00:01:20] By the way, in my programs and coaching, we explore that and I help you break out of this cycle to be able to have a greater impact for your people. If you would like support and inspiration, we should talk. Angel is growing two podcasts in 2025. The links to those and to all of today's references are in the show notes.

[00:01:38] I've migrated all of those to my new website, pennyforyourshots. com. Click the podcast link at the top to peruse all the episodes or search by topic or guest or listen to the latest episode. Leave a review to let me know what you think on your favorite podcast platform.

[00:01:54] Here is Angel Wilburn. 

[00:01:57] Angel Wilborn: Hello. Hey, how are you? I'm good. How are you? I am doing good, Penny. Running in here on two wheels, but I'm good. Coming in hot. Yes. Yes. Pretty much coming in hot. Yes. I love it. 

[00:02:14] Penny Fitzgerald: I wouldn't have it any other way. 

[00:02:16] Angel Wilborn: Yes. You know, it's just been my life these past couple of days here, but I'm making it do what it needs to do.

[00:02:21] So. 

[00:02:23] Penny Fitzgerald: but I got to be on the school morning news for tomorrow.

[00:02:25] Angel Wilborn: So I'm excited about, about fun. 

[00:02:28] Penny Fitzgerald: What's that about? 

[00:02:29] Angel Wilborn: So they just every morning they do like the morning news, just like updates for what's going on around the school and everything. And this week they did their exploratory showcase. So, the grade 3rd through 5th graders get to do what they call exploratory classes.

[00:02:47] So my son did engineering for his. There are some who do like photography, different things like that. And they just ask. us to go in and sit in on some of the ones in case like parents could make it. So kids, you know, would have someone there to support them. So I was like, well, I'll go back to. That one because I thought that since it was in the same space as where my son's was, I thought it was the same thing.

[00:03:09] I just thought all the grades did the same thing. But, um, the fifth graders actually do media. And so we got to see like their outtakes. Yeah, it was cool. So we got to see like the outtakes from them doing like the morning news and all their bloopers and stuff. Like that, and then they, um, they said that they were going to record their show, I guess, for tomorrow and then the 1st couple of months for when they come back in January and there was like, if you want, you know, you can invite your parents to be in it and they can get in on and do your do your segment with you.

[00:03:43] And we're going to do the dance party and they could do the dance party. So I was like, So I wouldn't ask the library teacher. I said, well, as an after school counselor, can I be a part of the dance party? And she was like, you can be a part of it. I was like, okay, cool. And she always sends it out to the staff.

[00:04:00] The day before it actually airs and so I obviously I get the staff email. So I was like, I wonder if it made it in there and I'm looking at you can see me like dancing, but it was hilarious because we were doing it. She's like, so. The music's going to be added in after we record. So just dance and pretend like you hear music in your head.

[00:04:19] Oh, she's like, whatever song you want to pretend like you're hearing in your head. And one of the kids was like, pick a Christmas song in the parents. Like, how do you dance? to Christmas songs. So we just all were like dancing and one of the ladies after she said, we're just all going to be off beat. I was like, yeah, we are, but it was fun.

[00:04:36] It was cool. So, Oh 

[00:04:37] Penny Fitzgerald: my gosh. Yeah. So do the kids get a part in like the whole, like the production of it too? Yeah. Like 

[00:04:43] Angel Wilborn: the kids, like it was really cool to watch. Like the kids do the, um, They used to help, like, write the scripts, but because they're only in there, I think she said for like 40 minutes a week, and they're trying to film like 3 or 4 days at a time, they don't get as much with, like, writing the script or anything like that, but they were doing their record on iPads.

[00:05:03] So they had, like, the iPad set up with, like, the teleprompters recording the segments and everything. Like, it was really cool to, to see them doing it and putting on. Yeah, they were doing all the stuff. Like they were telling their parents. It's like, okay, you go over here and you got to like stand right here.

[00:05:20] And this is where I usually like stand up for my segment. And this is how I do. And so, yeah, it was cool. Yeah. 

[00:05:27] Penny Fitzgerald: So that is, I've never heard of that. I'm, you know, of course old. 

[00:05:34] Angel Wilborn: somebody made me feel old the other day because in after school, you're trying to put on a DVD for the kids.

[00:05:39] And one of the other counselors, she's like, so what do you do when a DVD scratched? Like it won't play and it's kind of scratched. So what should I do? I said, are you asking this because I'm old or because you really don't know the answer to it?

[00:05:51] And she was like, I mean, you look like you were around when DVDs came out. I was like, you know, go, go get some alcohol and rub the alcohol on it. That should, that should do the trick. But, but thanks a lot. Oh, my 

[00:06:05] Penny Fitzgerald: gosh. Yeah. Like a DVD is old. 

[00:06:08] Angel Wilborn: It is. I mean, I actually do remember when DVDs came out, but just the fact that she said that.

[00:06:14] Yeah. Um, yeah. Did you have record players? I did. My parents did though. I know, I know, I know what a record player is. I definitely, yeah, I definitely know what it is and not letting the needle like scratch it and all that. Yep. No record players. I had a Walkman. I had a portable CD player. Um, I was around when, before they started like putting CD players in cars or if you had an older car.

[00:06:39] where you would get the portable CD player and you'd like connect it. It had like a cassette tape that you put into the, so I was around with cassette players, we're in cars and you put the cassette tape in there and it played off of your portable CD player and you had to be careful not to hit a bump.

[00:06:52] Yep. Uh, Oh yeah. Okay. Yeah. I remember those things, but the DVD comment, I really felt. Yeah. Yeah. I felt some type of way, way about that. And one of my kindergarteners one time. He said, my mom is 57 years old. I said, your mom is not 57 years old. And he was like, yeah, because if she was 57 she'd be dead. I was like, oh, no, no, no.

[00:07:18] There are, there are a lot of 57 year olds and people older than 57 that are, that are still alive. He was like, but she's pretty old though, isn't she? I was like, 

[00:07:30] Penny Fitzgerald: okay. Oh my goodness. Wait. 

[00:07:33] Angel Wilborn: Um, I was like, there are plenty of 57 year olds that, you know, are still alive. He's like, but you're pretty old though, right?

[00:07:39] I was like, you know what? Leave me alone. Depends on who you ask. Yeah, I'm like, leave, leave me alone right now. Leave me alone. Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:07:47] Penny Fitzgerald: Okay. Well, okay. Did you know that I turned 60 a few weeks ago? No. 

[00:07:53] Angel Wilborn: Well, first of all, I was shocked when one time when we talk, you said that you were a grandma and I was just like, seriously, I just, I don't believe that.

[00:08:03] And so I was still going, I was like, I mean, you're still young, but I was going with like younger, younger, like, you know, maybe early fifties, like late forties, grandma ish type thing. I was like, I'm not going to ask, you know, I would have never, 

[00:08:17] Penny Fitzgerald: yeah. Angel, you're my favorite. 

[00:08:21] Angel Wilborn: No, I seriously, I would have never guessed.

[00:08:24] I'd never guessed 50. Like I said, late, late forties, very early fifties, but 

[00:08:28] Penny Fitzgerald: no, and you know, I, it didn't, it, it's not bothering me a ton unless I like really think about it, you know, right? Like, yeah, just the number sounds old, but, um, you know, and I just noticed fairly recently that I'm really starting to look.

[00:08:46] I don't think so. Yeah. It's all right. It's just, it's just a number and I am doing things to feel younger and keep on top of things and do more. I don't know. I love technology. I love, um, staying on top of things. So my dad was the same way. He was, I had him until he was almost 103. Oh, wow. I think you told me that before.

[00:09:08] Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So, and he loved technology. technology. He loved all that new stuff. So he was afraid to break the iPad. But other than that, that 

[00:09:20] Angel Wilborn: is too precious. Yeah. Yeah. It is. It just, it is what it sometimes I don't, I don't feel like, like I'll be 39 in a couple of weeks here. And so sometimes my husband will be saying something.

[00:09:34] He's like, you know, you're 40, right? I'm like, first of all, I'm not 40, I'm still, I'm still 38 and I have a whole nother year. Like slow your role. Yeah, like I have a whole nother year left in my thirties. But I think it finally hit me that, I guess I was like an adult. Adult when, you know how you're feeling on like a survey or something like that, and it asked for your age range.

[00:09:53] And when I had to go over that 35 age range, like the first time I had to go over that, I was like, wait a minute here. And I still just like look around sometimes. I'm just like, I'm really an adult, like a whole grown up adult. And sometimes I just, I don't feel like that grown up adult, but I'm like, Wasn't I just 18 yesterday, like, going off to college?

[00:10:17] When did this happen? Yeah, I don't, 

[00:10:21] Penny Fitzgerald: I don't get it, but. Well, I'll tell you what, you start, like, getting the finger out. I start wagging my finger. When you see the articles on, like, an elderly woman, and she's like 53 or whatever. Oh, you slow your roll. Yeah, no, no, no. 

[00:10:39] Angel Wilborn: No, let's not use that word. Let's not label people.

[00:10:42] Look, there you go. No labels, no labels. And you know what? It's not elderly. It's wiser. It's wiser. She is. She is 53 years wise. Like there you go. 

[00:10:53] Penny Fitzgerald: We're going to 

[00:10:54] Angel Wilborn: brand it. Yeah. 

[00:10:55] Penny Fitzgerald: Yeah. There you go. Yeah. And that took me a while to kind of own too. Somebody called me wise earlier this year. And I'm like, wise, that sounds old, but now.

[00:11:05] It's like, okay, I'll, I'll, I'll take that 

[00:11:07] Angel Wilborn: over elderly, like now I'm owning 

[00:11:09] Penny Fitzgerald: it. Yeah. 

[00:11:10] Angel Wilborn: Yeah. I feel like if you're going to say elderly, That needs to come with like some social security benefits. I need to get the senior citizen discount. Like I that's what I feel. And I guess I should, because I refer to, well, I refer to my dad and my step mom as the old people.

[00:11:26] Um, they are they'll both be. 75 next year. So I'm like always referring to them as the old people or like the elderly people or something like that. That sounds so 

[00:11:37] Penny Fitzgerald: young to me. 

[00:11:39] Angel Wilborn: And they are, and my dad, like, if you see him, you would never think that they were, you would never think they were that age. But, um, Yeah, but I'm always like, Oh, the elderly people are, or sometimes my mom will do something and I'll tell my son, I'm like, this is what you have to look forward to.

[00:11:53] When mommy gets old and she can't figure things out on her own anymore. I'm telling him that I was like, I mean, I'm just trying to prepare him. No one prepared me. So. Trying to help him out here. 

[00:12:04] Penny Fitzgerald: Yeah. Well, we'll, we'll stay just fit and active and young as much as we can. Young thinking anyway. Yes. I'm here for it.

[00:12:12] I'm here for it, Penny. Yeah, absolutely. So, you know, we haven't talked about work yet. I know we've been catching up so much. Catching up a little bit. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. So What's going on? What's new with you? You've been doing the PR podcast and the business and organization podcast and, um, what you got going?

[00:12:32] What's your, what's your passion right now? Are you working on 

[00:12:36] Angel Wilborn: a podcast thing? I have really realized that like podcasting is my, my passion. My main focus. Um, kept hearing like, All last year, this voice, like, telling me focus on the podcast, focus on the podcast. And I'm like, what does that mean? And so finally, I can't remember if we talked about this last time we talked.

[00:12:55] I don't think so, because I don't think I decided to do it yet. So that was when I finally went ahead and kind of fine tune my stuff that I have for my PR toolkit podcast. And that came out in September of 24. Um, so that is. It's going to be seasonal versus how my other podcast is just. All year round except for when I take breaks occasionally.

[00:13:19] Um, but so the first season was 10 episodes and I'm gearing up for the second season to come out in January. I need to finish writing that and recording it, but it's PR tips in 5 minutes or less. Um, so, yeah, so, um. the first season I kind of just talked a little bit about like what PR is and um, you know, different ways that you can incorporate it into your business.

[00:13:46] Season two is going to be titled what the pitch and it's going to be, it's going to be about like how to pitch yourself and like do's and don'ts of pitching and different things like that. So I 

[00:13:58] Penny Fitzgerald: love it. Is it geared more towards like entrepreneurs or like what kind of business people do you work with?

[00:14:05] Angel Wilborn: So it's geared more towards like solopreneurs and small business owners. And when I say, cause I was recording a podcast with someone yesterday, that was like, I hate to say small business owners, because I realized that small business can be like up to 500 employees. So I was like, Ooh, I never thought about it.

[00:14:21] I was like, yeah, that sounds pretty big to me. I was like, when. For the sake of me when I'm saying small business, I mean like five to ten people or either you're just completely doing it by yourself. So yes, that's more of my focus is solopreneurs because Even like when I talk when we talk last, you know, I still feel like they don't get the PR a lot They don't feel like they they need it because they are a smaller business.

[00:14:45] And so they just kind of ignore it and PR is so much more than Just what big name brands, you know, what need? I mean, PR includes a crisis management plan. I live in a flood zone area. So what are you going to do if your business has to close because you're a brick and mortar and it flood your business is flooded?

[00:15:07] Like, that's a crisis. Or what are you going to do? Perfect example is. The upstate where I live in a couple of months ago, we had a really bad storm and there were people without power for like. three or four weeks. If you're an online business, what are you going to do if you're without power for three or four weeks?

[00:15:22] Like that's a crisis. That's part of PR. Come up with a crisis management plan, disgruntled employee, or a negative review that has gone viral. All that type of stuff leads into PR. And small businesses don't really think about it until it happens. And then they're like, what am I supposed to do now? So, So, yeah, that's why I really want to, like, talk more about that and get it out there more so that people understand that it's not just for big name brands.

[00:15:52] You need it too. 

[00:15:53] Penny Fitzgerald: Well, that's, that's good information to know because I feel like a lot of us who are solopreneurs or small businesses, we have so many of the priorities, like we're trying to get the business off the ground. We're trying to market it. We're trying to do all the things and then, oh my gosh, you don't even think about what you don't know.

[00:16:12] You don't 

[00:16:12] Angel Wilborn: know what you don't know. And you don't know it until it happens. And then you're like, Ooh, I should have known that. And it's like, well, nobody, nobody told me. And I think when I was doing my podcast interview yesterday, I was also talking about it too, it's just like, or sometime, I don't know, you don't know what goes into being a business owner until you're actually like, In the trenches trying to figure it out because I know for me personally, when I first started, I just thought, oh, your business, you pick out a name and open a business check.

[00:16:43] That's my favorite color. Right? That's my favorite color. And then boom, you just kind of, you kind of go go from there. Like. No one's thinking about the insurance and the taxes and the LLCs and the, you know, um, sole proprietorship or the whatever the S corporation or whatever it is like nobody's really, I mean, some people may be thinking about that, but most people are.

[00:17:07] So, like you said, you don't know until until, you know, so if I can help the next person know, then cool. I'm, I'm fine with that. 

[00:17:15] Penny Fitzgerald: That's cool. Do you also work with like terms and conditions and privacy policies and that kind of thing? Is that more the legal side of it? That's 

[00:17:23] Angel Wilborn: more of the legal side of it. I will say that I found a, um, like a great resource for it.

[00:17:30] I joined, um, this contract club and it was 30 when I joined. Now they've gone up to 200, but it's, um, 200 for all the contracts that you'll ever that you'll ever need. If there's like a contract that you need and it's not on there, you can just message them and they will create it for you. But it's literally like privacy policies for your website, terms and conditions for your websites.

[00:17:55] If you're an event planner, contracts for that, you know, contracts for sponsorships, um, podcast guest release forms, like any kind of contract that you could possibly think of it in there. So it's like, Oh, okay. That was. That was pretty cool. So yeah, I stay away from the terms and conditions and all the all the legal stuff.

[00:18:14] Yeah, no, that's, I wanted to be a lawyer at one point in time, um, but yeah, didn't go that route. So good for you. Yeah. You know, some things I'm all about, you know, I'll Google it or I'll try to DIY it, but some things I'm like, yeah, that's not my wheelhouse. Yeah. I'm going to stay out of that one. I'm going to leave it to a pro for that.

[00:18:36] So, 

[00:18:36] Penny Fitzgerald: yeah, exactly. Well, and you're, you're a professional mark, not marketer, um, um, public relations manager, and you've had your own company for quite a while, right? 

[00:18:52] Angel Wilborn: Yes, about college 2 years. No. So I went to college for PR. Yes. And then that kind of got put on the back burner and then my business started off as a virtual assistant business and then switch over to 

[00:19:05] PR.

[00:19:05] Angel Wilborn: But I have had my company for about 2 years now. Okay, cool. Yes. 

[00:19:09] Penny Fitzgerald: Yeah, I love it. All right. So you are, um, you've got this tool for people that they can sign up for in January. Is that what you're so, 

[00:19:17] Angel Wilborn: so no, so it's the, it's called the name of the podcast is called PR toolkit and, um, it will start back in January.

[00:19:24] So, right now, there's 10 episodes out for it, and it's available on all the podcasting apps that you can go check out and see. It's just PR toolkit. And then season two will come out. I can't remember the exact day, but season two is scheduled to start back in January because I wanted to do the seasons like a season each quarter.

[00:19:45] And I figured that would also help to keep me on track. Um, the 1st season obviously got, like, a little off track because I started it in September and it ended in November and I was like, okay, it'll be a little bit longer in between seasons than I wanted it to be. But I really kind of wanted to start on like that.

[00:20:02] Beginning of a new quarter, beginning of a new, a new season. So yes, it'll start back in January, but you all can definitely check out season one. No, no. 

[00:20:11] Penny Fitzgerald: Nice. Yeah, I've been listening. 

[00:20:14] Angel Wilborn: Thank 

[00:20:14] Penny Fitzgerald: you. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you. You've got some really good tips in there. I like the other podcast too, where you're talking about organization.

[00:20:22] Angel Wilborn: Yes. Yes. The Modco podcast. So that one, it'll be two years in April for that. I can't believe that it'll be two years for it. I know that's so crazy. But, um, yes. So talking about organization on their entrepreneurship, and I've also realized that. Kind of just been talking about, like, life in general. So I didn't just want to, because I feel like a lot of times when we're talking about the organization or we're talking about the entrepreneurship, it all ties back into your life.

[00:20:50] And so we kind of get into that a little bit, and I don't want to, like. Leave that out because I think it fits in so well with the show and it's such kind of a great flow and it just shows the realness of like life and what people go through and that not everything is just all roses and rainbows. And, you know, we're real people going through.

[00:21:14] Real stuff, just trying to figure it out day by day. So, yes, there's episodes about organizing on there, like organizing for your business, organizing for your home, organizing your finances, whether they're personal, whether it's your personal finances or your business finances, had several episodes about, like, mental health.

[00:21:35] Um, I've had a couple of. actual licensed therapists on the show who have talked about it. Yes. I've had people on there who've talked about like their own mental health struggles and how that played a part in their organization or even their business. So it's, it's something for everyone. I feel like everyone can, you know, benefit from it and get something out of any of the episodes.

[00:22:01] Like I share my journey on there. I share like my experiences. I mean, there's sometimes that's something happened to me and I'm like, oh, this will make a great podcast episode. So I'll sit down and I'll, I'll write it out like my. Most recently, because that one's on a break now for the end of the year, but my 2nd to last episode, I think it was entitled bitter quitter and that actually came from I had just finished doing a 6 week Bible study with some friends of mine and the Bible study was about the 6 habits.

[00:22:31] 5 5 habits of a woman or something like that based off of the book of Ruth. And 1 of the days was entitled bitter quitter and I just sat back and I started thinking about it and. It was like asking you to name things that you have been a bitter quitter about and I was like, Oh, I could probably name a lot of stuff and I'm like, I know like a lot of bitter quitters and I actually ended up doing an episode about being a bitter quitter and my last episode of the year was about self care, just like self care tips that you can do.

[00:23:02] for yourself that are free and, or like super expensive, like less than five dollars. So I've had someone on there talk about imposter syndrome. Penny's been on there twice and will be on there again. So we've talked about wine. So it's just a great, just a great mixture of, you know, a little bit of everything.

[00:23:21] Penny Fitzgerald: Yeah, I like it a lot. Thank you. So what I haven't listened to the bitter quitter episode yet But the what is that? What does it mean to you to be a bitter quitter? 

[00:23:31] Angel Wilborn: So the way that the book broke it down, which I thought was like really great It was like so you're doing so the example that I I used on my episode was the time that I was when I was doing boot camp and so I had been doing this boot camp for like A month or something like that.

[00:23:50] I was doing it three times a week getting up at the crack of dawn to make it to this boot camp and I had a doctor's appointment. I think it was like a follow up or something like that. I was so excited to go to the doctor because you know, when you go to the doctor, they're gonna weight you. And I was like, yes, I have been doing this bootcamp for the past month.

[00:24:07] Like, this is great. Perfect. I know that I've lost at least five pounds I get to the doctor. I had actually gained some weight and so the first step of a bitter quit gained muscle 

[00:24:19] Penny Fitzgerald: maybe, 

[00:24:20] Angel Wilborn: right? But that I, that I didn't, I didn't think about that into your head. Yeah. It pop into my head. So the first point in being a bitter quitter is that you get disappointed.

[00:24:28] So I was disappointed. That I had gained instead of losing weight, which in turn made me bitter because I was like, okay, I've been working hard at this, you know, doing this and putting it out there and trying to get into shape and, you know, working out and everything. And nothing's working. So it's like, why am I even doing it?

[00:24:50] So now I'm bitter because I'm like, why am I even doing this? And so then I quit because now I'm disappointed, which has led to me being bitter and now I've quit. And I think, like, after a couple weeks after I quit, I was talking to 1 of my friends or something, and I was telling her, she's like. And she said the same thing you did.

[00:25:06] She's like, you probably gained muscle. And I was like, oh, well, I didn't think about that. And I've been waking up at 430 in the morning for a month, a month and a half. I don't want to gain anything. I want to lose something. And so just being a bitter quitter. I feel like it's when. You're doing something that either, whether you enjoy it or you don't enjoy it, it's something that's going to help you reach a goal that you have in mind, and then something comes on anytime that you're working on a goal or working towards something, there's going to be a setback in it or disappointment in it.

[00:25:41] And so sometimes we allow that disappointment to completely take over us and we don't look at any of the good that may have come from it. All we see is the disappointment and then that leads us to be bitter because we start talking down to ourselves. We start being negative to ourselves and then you just get to the point that you're like, well, what's the purpose in this?

[00:26:01] Why am I even bothering to do this? If it's, if I'm not going to get what I need from it. 

[00:26:08] Penny Fitzgerald: It's such a cycle. It is. And, and we talk to ourselves worse than we would ever talk to a bestie or anyone really, even a stranger, 

[00:26:17] Angel Wilborn: right? Like the way the, I mean, and I'm guilty of it the way that I've talked to myself sometimes.

[00:26:22] I was like, my therapist even used to ask me when I was sitting in therapy and I'd say something. She's like, Would you say that to your son? What's like, I was like, absolutely not. I would never talk to him like that. She's like, okay, so why would you talk to yourself like that? You know, she's like, what if he hears you talking to yourself like that?

[00:26:39] I'm like, well, when you put it like that, I mean, like, no, that's what I want you to think about. Like, if you wouldn't talk to him like that, and you wouldn't want him to hear you talking to yourself like that. Why do you talk to yourself like that? It's like, 

[00:26:53] Penny Fitzgerald: yep. Okay. That's one of the things I work on with my courses, um, with people, because a lot of our limiting beliefs are just stories we've told ourselves over and over again until they become truth.

[00:27:03] You know, they become just like, you know, second nature, the back of your hand and just breaking that habit and that cycle of what we say and what we, our beliefs, you know, things that we've said over and over that become truths and they're not, 

[00:27:17] right. 

[00:27:18] Penny Fitzgerald: You know, no, you're not fat. No, you're not lazy. No, you're not.

[00:27:23] But, but yeah, it's hard when you're in the middle of it and you get, um, this disappointment strikes you and 

[00:27:29] Angel Wilborn: yeah. 

[00:27:30] Penny Fitzgerald: And it's 

[00:27:30] Angel Wilborn: yourself up. Yeah. And it's crazy because, you know, the things that we tell ourselves so much, they end up becoming our truth. They're always negative things. Like I've never heard anyone like tell themselves something encouraging so much to, you know, It becomes their truth and they're trying to continue to go after it.

[00:27:49] I just, it, even when, you know, when somebody's working on something, I've never heard anybody be like, yeah, I told myself great job because I, you know, I accomplished step one of what I was trying to do. But if you fail at step one, or if you have a setback in step one, you're ready to talk down to yourself.

[00:28:05] But. If you finish step one, why can't we talk positive to ourself and congratulate ourselves and celebrate that we accomplished that first step dance party? You're right. Yeah, 

[00:28:23] Penny Fitzgerald: it's really important to lift yourself up and, you know, have a buddy, you know, if you, if you can't do it for yourself yet, you know, have some accountability with a partner, a friend, um, a coach, you know, somebody that can help you.

[00:28:35] Yeah. 

[00:28:36] Angel Wilborn: Yes, somebody. Yeah, just don't, don't ask my son or my husband because they'll make you, they'll make you stick, stick to it. I told him, I was like, a little tough love 

[00:28:44] Penny Fitzgerald: from them. 

[00:28:45] Angel Wilborn: I told him like this month, I was like, ooh, my goal is to go to the gym 15 times this month is my son, like created a schedule.

[00:28:52] He's like, okay, you can go this day. He's like, you can go every, um, every other day. And I was like, okay. And then the third grader created this, the third, the third grader created this. And I was like, Okay. And so I think I had started off on a Monday and then I actually, I didn't go that Tuesday. So that's how he's like, well, you can go every other day.

[00:29:10] And so then I didn't go that one. So he's like, Mommy. You got to get up. You're supposed to go to the gym. And I was like, I don't really feel like it. So I ended up going on Thursday. He's like, you're supposed to go every other day. And I was like, yeah, you're, you're right. And so I think last week I was like, man, I've only been to the gym four times this month.

[00:29:29] He's like, well, we still have X amount of days left in the month. So if you can go this many days and I said, well, I'll be able to go all next week, which is. The week now that we're recording it's on Thursday. I was like, so that'll be five days. I was like, and that'll put me to nine I said, I honestly don't know how i'm gonna get the other six days in I said I'll have to do it on the weekend because You'll be home from school and the gym doesn't have a daycare.

[00:29:52] So I was like, well, I don't know, you know, how I'm going to do it. And he's like, well, you could still do it that Monday and Tuesday before Christmas, because Gaga will be here and she can stay home with me. He was like, and then you could go on Saturday and Sunday. So that'll give you, he's like, and you have to go all week next week.

[00:30:07] So that'll give you like nine days. If you do it like that, I was like, Oh, okay, cool. I have not gone to the gym one day this week. So he's like, have you been to the gym? I'm like, I can't. Sorry. I can't hear you. I don't know. I don't know what I can't hear you right now. 

[00:30:24] Penny Fitzgerald: Oh my gosh. So the thing that popped through my head was like, oh my gosh, he is a little problem solver, a goal setter, and he's got a plan.

[00:30:34] Angel Wilborn: Oh yes. Oh, yes. Yes, he does. 

[00:30:36] Penny Fitzgerald: You must be so 

[00:30:37] Angel Wilborn: proud of him. I am. I am very proud of him. If only you know, he'd have the same plan with getting his own stuff together when he's supposed to put it back. But no, he is definitely a little problem solver. He will come up with, with something. He'll come up with a solution for something.

[00:30:52] He's very good in math. So that's why he was like, well, we have this many days left. And then if you break it down like this, and then you do this and. Yeah. So, so if you need a little tough love or a little encouragement, um, I can sit, I can send my two motivators, send them your way, bring 

[00:31:09] Penny Fitzgerald: in the reinforcements.

[00:31:11] Yeah, I 

[00:31:11] Angel Wilborn: mean, I appreciate it though, because there have been mornings where I'm just like, I'm going to the gym. And then I'm like, I'm not going to the gym, and you have both of them, like, you said you were going to go to the gym. Like, can y'all leave me Oh my gosh, that's so tough. 

[00:31:24] Penny Fitzgerald: Yeah. Well, and you have the best intentions, and you want to do this thing, and then, You make this promise to yourself and then, Oh, it's so hard.

[00:31:35] So it's that whole integrity thing that you want to be like when you, when you feel like you haven't done what you said you were going to do for yourself, right. You know, where you wouldn't let your friend down. 

[00:31:46] Angel Wilborn: No, you wouldn't. 

[00:31:47] Penny Fitzgerald: Yeah, exactly. So it's one of those things again, where it's like, we treat ourselves worse than we would our besties.

[00:31:53] And we do. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. Got it. Got to do better. Got to do. a lot better. There's that. Okay. And there now, now we've really layered on some guilt, you know, so it just perpetuates itself as this negative spiral in the circle that keeps going. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Step out for a second. Take a breath.

[00:32:15] Angel Wilborn: Regroup yourself. I'm okay the way 

[00:32:16] Penny Fitzgerald: I am. Yep. Regroup. 

[00:32:19] Angel Wilborn: Find out what flows with you, what goes well with you. What works and what doesn't. Yes, and what works and let's go with that. 

[00:32:25] Penny Fitzgerald: Yeah, exactly. And maybe 4 30 in the morning isn't a really good thing. 

[00:32:29] Angel Wilborn: No, 

[00:32:30] Penny Fitzgerald: that's, 

[00:32:30] Angel Wilborn: I'm not a morning person. Like I don't. Yeah.

[00:32:33] Unless I'm like going on a trip or something like that. And even then I'm still like half, I'm up. To go on said trip and I'm getting stuff together, but I'd really prefer if no one talked to me or spoke to me at that time of morning while I'm trying to get myself together for what it is. But 

[00:32:50] Penny Fitzgerald: yeah, 

[00:32:51] Angel Wilborn: no, I'm not, I'm not a four 35 o'clock AM type of girl.

[00:32:55] That's just, it's never, it's never been me. I need to be quiet. I need to ease into the day bit, but I think the best advice because I've always been a more of like a night owl. Um, and I've always preferred just like sleeping as late as I could. I think the best advice that someone ever gave me was when I realized that in college, you could create your own schedule and I was like, oh, heck, yes, none of my classes are going to start until like 1 o'clock in the afternoon.

[00:33:22] So I can sleep all day and someone was like, do not do that is like, even if you're not a morning person, they say, go ahead. They said, if it's not an 8 o'clock class, at least do like a 9 o'clock class and try to get your classes. For like, if it's Monday, Wednesday, Friday, try to get like 9, 10, 11. That was like, try to be done with your schedule by noon.

[00:33:41] If you can, if you can help. And I was like, why would I want to do that? They said, so that way you have the rest of the day to do what it is that you want to do. Take a nap, do whatever. I was like, uh, and I'm so happy that I followed that advice because that was honestly. The best thing to be done with all of my classes by, like, noon or 1 o'clock and just have the rest of the day when people are going to class.

[00:34:05] And then my senior year was the year when I ended up getting into, like, my major classes that some of those wouldn't be offered into, like, 3 30 in the afternoon or, like, 4 45 in the afternoon. I was like, oh, my gosh, I hate this so much. And that was the year that I lived off campus. So it's funny. I had.

[00:34:24] The year that I moved off campus, my senior, I had an 8 a. m. class, which was my first 8 a. m. class. I had my entire college career, and then I had a, like, 1 o'clock or 1 30 class or something like that. So I had the 8 o'clock. I had 8 o'clock class. I think that was my only class that I had on Monday, Wednesday and Friday.

[00:34:44] I was good with that. Tuesday and Thursday was like my crazy day. We had like a 925 class. And that ended at 10, whatever. And then I didn't have another class until 1. 30. And I was like, the year that I move off campus, I have these big gaps in my schedule. So like, what am I supposed to do? They had like another class at 1.

[00:35:01] 30. Then like another one at like 4. 45. I was like, this is not, this is not my life. This is not what I signed up for. So they kind of, especially your 

[00:35:08] Penny Fitzgerald: senior year, 

[00:35:10] Angel Wilborn: right? But yeah, that was, That was the best advice that I got was just go ahead and get it over with and be done with it. So I do, I do try to stick to that.

[00:35:20] Like if I can get something done earlier, I will get it done earlier so that I can have the rest of the day for myself. But 

[00:35:26] Penny Fitzgerald: yeah, 

[00:35:27] Angel Wilborn: I'm not typically a 4. 30, 5 o'clock type of girl. No, 

[00:35:30] Penny Fitzgerald: not that early. Yeah, no. 

[00:35:31] Angel Wilborn: Yeah, 

[00:35:33] Penny Fitzgerald: but yeah, this is a really good. piece of advice. So getting rid of the, or doing the things that move the needle the most.

[00:35:40] Yes. First thing in the morning. 

[00:35:42] Angel Wilborn: Yes. Getting our first 

[00:35:43] Penny Fitzgerald: thing when you start working anyway, when you start working, go 

[00:35:45] Angel Wilborn: ahead and, or, you know, like the. mundane tasks that you just don't like to do. Like if you can go ahead and try to get that over with and done so that you can have the rest of the day to enjoy it.

[00:35:56] Because if you don't, it's always still in the back of your head. Like, uh, I still got to do this. Oh, I haven't finished doing this yet. And you're not really enjoying the stuff that you actually enjoy. 

[00:36:07] Penny Fitzgerald: Exactly. Yeah. It's all about being present, you know, being in the moment and enjoying what you're doing and listening to the person that's in front of you, giving them the time they deserve.

[00:36:17] Right. And if it's you, yeah, have fun doing what you're doing and not be thinking about all that stuff that you didn't get done. Right. Yeah. Mm hmm. What else is new with you? What are, what are you excited about for 2025? You know, Penny, I honestly, 

[00:36:37] Angel Wilborn: I don't know. Well, I guess I shouldn't say I don't know. Um, I'm excited to see where my podcast will go.

[00:36:47] I have connected with some other, um, people and we've talked about like doing some, some different things. So I'm excited to see, um, where that will go. And I'm really excited about like the connections that I have made. Um, I feel like I made some connections with some good like genuine people. So I'm just kind of seeing where things are going to go.

[00:37:11] I don't want to I don't, I don't want to like overthink it or kind of like over stress it, or I don't want to be like, okay, I want this, this, this, and this to happen and attached to 

[00:37:23] Penny Fitzgerald: something. 

[00:37:23] Angel Wilborn: Right? Because then, you know, that's like another disappointment is when it doesn't happen and maybe it was never meant for it to happen, but you kind of getting here and like, this, this, this to happen.

[00:37:32] And then you're kind of like, oh, okay. It didn't happen. You kind of feel disappointed in yourself. So, and I've never been a person. I don't like set resolutions or anything like that. I'll set goals for stuff. So. Yeah, I'm just gonna keep working on what it is that I'm working on and just see where 2025 takes me, Penny.

[00:37:51] I love it. Yes. I love 

[00:37:53] Penny Fitzgerald: it. Yeah. Well, it's good to have, you know, not necessarily a plan, but a, um, a goal that you might hit and to break down to know what it's going to take to get there. But then not to have everything structured so tightly. 

[00:38:05] Mm 

[00:38:05] Penny Fitzgerald: hmm that you don't leave room for magic Yes, you know exactly how to stay open because maybe Maybe what you have planned isn't big enough Yes, maybe God or the universe have other plans for you that are much bigger and that you could ever dream Exactly leave room for that 

[00:38:24] Angel Wilborn: Exactly.

[00:38:25] Yes. Like, you know, we think on such a small level, but God thinks on such a bigger level. And so, yeah, I definitely want to, I want to leave room for that. I don't want to be so stuck in my own ways and so stuck on. This is what I think was supposed to happen or what was supposed to be going on that. Yeah, that I get, yeah, that I get attached to it and I kind of lose focus and then I turn into a bitter quitter again.

[00:38:50] So exactly. So we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna see what happens in 2025. So, okay, well, good. I'll be rooting for you. Yay. Thank you. I appreciate it. 

[00:39:02] Penny Fitzgerald: Absolutely. And I need to rephrase that because I have an Australian friend and she says that's not a good thing. So, oh, it's not. Okay. So what do we say?

[00:39:09] Well, it's something a little naughty. So we're going to say I'm cheering for you. Okay. Okay. You're going to have 

[00:39:14] Angel Wilborn: to tell me offline what this song. Yeah, we'll, we'll talk later. Oh, God. 

[00:39:21] Penny Fitzgerald: Yeah.

[00:39:25] Okay. So what are you going to celebrate with? What's your favorite cocktail of the moment? Oh, so 

[00:39:34] Angel Wilborn: it hasn't been there. I don't even know what the last one was that I told you about 

[00:39:40] Penny Fitzgerald: angels brew. I think was the 1st 1. Yeah, that was the 1st 

[00:39:43] Angel Wilborn: 1. Yeah, the lemonade and raspberry. Okay. Tequila. That was what it was.

[00:39:48] So I was like, I didn't remember. I don't know. I've been kind of like, sticking to those 2 lately. I mean, kind of like. mixing it up with just like whatever syrup I have around or maybe I don't have all of the ingredients. I've been doing, um, I've been doing pineapple and tequila a lot lately too, so like a tequila sunrise but with pineapple juice instead of orange juice.

[00:40:12] Penny Fitzgerald: Yum. In 

[00:40:13] Angel Wilborn: it, yep. I've been, I've been doing that, um, and then I've also been experimenting with different, um, Flavors with the lemonade and tequila. Like, I think 1 time I did peach and other time I just did like grenadine or something like that. So kind of mixing up what what I already what I already have. And what I already know is working for me.

[00:40:33] And with the angels brew, I've tried that 1 with raspberry as well. And I didn't even know that was a thing. I tried it with the raspberries. So that one was orange juice, pineapple juice, and peach crown. And originally I had said, put, um, grenadine in it, but one day I think we were out of grenadine and I had raspberry syrup, I had raspberry and peach syrup, and I was like, I don't want to, and I was like, I don't want to add more peach when it's already peach.

[00:40:58] So I was like, Oh, I'll do raspberry. So I did raspberry with it and it was good too. 

[00:41:03] Penny Fitzgerald: Wow. It's like a fruit punch. 

[00:41:05] Angel Wilborn: Yeah. There you go. So yeah, that's kind of been by. 

[00:41:11] Penny Fitzgerald: Okay. I thought you meant that there was a, um, a raspberry crown or something. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. 

[00:41:17] Angel Wilborn: They do have a new one that they came out with.

[00:41:20] I think it was something like, it was something random. I want to say blueberry, but I feel like that's just not right. Blackberry, maybe? I don't know. I knew it was a new one. that they came out with and the lady's like, Oh my gosh, you should try it. And I was like, no, because when I tried the peach crown, then it took me forever to be able to find it again.

[00:41:41] So I'm just going to stick with what, with what I know. So yeah, yeah, I'm fine with what I, yeah, it's hard to run out of 

[00:41:48] Penny Fitzgerald: stuff that you love, 

[00:41:50] Angel Wilborn: right? Exactly. 

[00:41:53] Penny Fitzgerald: So I have a, um, another thing that I do and maybe I've not, I guess I must not have ever talked to you about it before, but I do, um, a thing called a sipper club.

[00:42:02] Okay, where I got 

[00:42:03] Angel Wilborn: that. 

[00:42:04] Penny Fitzgerald: Oh my gosh. Yeah. Once a month. Um, my crew gets together. We do a zoom and I send a recipe out a cocktail recipe and then we make it together and sip and talk, you know, so it's conversations and cocktails with brilliant women. Once a month, Penny. I 

[00:42:20] Angel Wilborn: feel so hurt. Like, I, you know, it's like, I don't even know what to describe this as right now.

[00:42:29] Like my level of hurt that I, I don't even know what to compare it to at this point. Like, I just feel like I've been, I feel like I've been bamboozled. Like I've been led astray. Wow. So this is what, okay, this is what we've come to. This is what we've come to all the cocktail recipes that I've possibly missed out on.

[00:42:50] Penny Fitzgerald: Well, you can catch up. I'm pretty sure, but I think you'd love the December one. Okay. Yeah. So, and I make them up as I go. So they're like unique to us and I called it son of a nutcracker. I like that. I like that. Okay. So it had, um, crown and it had Bailey's. Okay. Bailey's Irish Cream and then, um, Hazelnut Liqueur.

[00:43:15] So that is Frangelico. Okay. Frangelico. Yeah. And you mix those three together. I called it Son of a Nutcracker. Sounds like a very good name for it. Yeah, if you top it off with like, I used club soda because I don't like it as sweet, but if you use, you could probably use, you know, like 7 Up or something, you know, a little bit sweeter.

[00:43:35] Okay, gotcha. And make it a little sweeter and call it, I called that one sparkling son of a nut cracker. I like that. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, if you make it though, there's a pro tip. Okay. You have to start with the Baileys. And then add the Frangelico. Okay. Do the, the crown or the. Whiskey last because otherwise it'll curdle and that's not pretty.

[00:43:57] Ah, 

[00:43:58] Angel Wilborn: that makes sense. Yeah. There's a certain, like some things you have to do it in a certain order or it just doesn't taste right and it doesn't work. Yeah. It's just completely off. Um, I'm like that with a lot of my stuff, especially if it's something that I'm just kind of creating myself. If it tastes right the first time that I make it, I'm like, it always has to go in.

[00:44:15] in, in the same order. Yeah, same order. I cannot, I cannot switch it up or it's not going to be right. So, okay. Kind of a good metaphor 

[00:44:23] Penny Fitzgerald: for life. 

[00:44:25] Angel Wilborn: There you go. Well, Penny, now I feel like the least you can do is send me the recipes to these cocktails. You can at 

[00:44:34] Penny Fitzgerald: least, at 

[00:44:35] Angel Wilborn: least share them with me that way. 

[00:44:37] Penny Fitzgerald: I will do that and I will include, I'll send you the link to my Sipper Club too, so you can check it out and see if you might like to join us.

[00:44:45] Okay. All of that. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. Okay. Sorry.

[00:44:53] Yum, yum, yum. Um, it is, tis the season . Um, I just, I've been working on changing up my website and making it more, um, current and then also, well, I switched to a new platform because, um, with my classes that are coming up, I wanna be able to password protect. Some of the materials and the materials. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:45:16] And I couldn't do that before with the old tool. So, or the old website platform. So I've switched everything over and I was like on pins and needles last night. Cause it, it, it's been three days since I flipped the switch. 

[00:45:29] Angel Wilborn: I saw that. I think your Instagram post I saw. Yes. 

[00:45:32] Penny Fitzgerald: Yeah, it was a little nerve wracking, but it's live.

[00:45:35] So I haven't announced it yet on Instagram. You're the first to know it is live now though. So for anybody listening to this, this'll be, it'll be live for, you know. Probably in a few weeks anyway, but by the time I release the episode, but yeah, so go check it out. It's still called pennyforyourshots. com.

[00:45:51] Angel Wilborn: Okay. 

[00:45:51] Penny Fitzgerald: But then there are some other like, um, offerings and, um, a couple of recipes I think I put on there too and podcast episodes. So you can check out your other episodes on there and the podcast tab. Okay, cool. 

[00:46:05] Angel Wilborn: Okay. Um, you've redeemed yourself, Penny. You've redeemed yourself now. I saw your post and I was like, Oh my gosh.

[00:46:12] I was like, that is so frustrating when you're trying to like switch over your, your site and everything. So I'm so happy that that finally went through for you and it is running. Yeah. 

[00:46:21] Penny Fitzgerald: Had to do a hard refresh on their side. So, I mean, everything was set up correctly. Everything was cool, but it got clogged up in the, Behind the scenes stuff at on their end.

[00:46:30] So yeah, I was able to get it fixed through them and now it's good Congratulations, thank you. You're welcome Well, is there anything I didn't ask you that you'd want want to share with my audience 

[00:46:46] Angel Wilborn: I think that's all Penny. I think they got, you know, a bit of my current day life story here. So, I think we're good as always.

[00:46:54] It is such a pleasure chatting with you and so much fun. So thank you again for having me back on the show again. 

[00:47:01] Penny Fitzgerald: Thank you. And I'll include your links and stuff in the show notes, but, um, just remind everybody what's your, um, where should they go to find you best? 

[00:47:11] Angel Wilborn: Definitely. So, um, you can check out, um, my Instagram handle is usually where I kind of hang out the most is at the Modco SC.

[00:47:17] And then my new Instagram handle for the PR Toolkit podcast is at what's in your toolkit. Um, so yeah, I usually put out a lot of information on those two as well. And then also I have a, um, Newsletter on LinkedIn now. It's called the modco podcast recap. So it's little like excerpts and snippets from my episode, and then it links you to the full episode.

[00:47:42] So if you type that into your Google search, that'll come up as well. And you can subscribe to the newsletter. Very cool. 

[00:47:50] Penny Fitzgerald: And yeah, so for anybody, um, wondering that's Modco, M O D C O and then SC. Yes, correct. Yes, I had to think about it myself. Yep. Yeah. 

[00:48:00] Angel Wilborn: Yeah. I know. I always have to think of it, think it through as I'm typing it in.

[00:48:04] Yeah, I have to think about it sometimes too. Sometimes I like. Fat finger it and I like switch something around like because you know how Google save like your usernames and stuff And so one day I just clicked it and I didn't realize that I had like messed it up and I'm talking about password I'm like that is my password.

[00:48:20] That is what do you mean? You can't find and I look I look closer and I said, oh cuz that's not the right email That's not the right domain there. Oops.

[00:48:30] Penny Fitzgerald: Oh, yeah, it happens and away we go. 

[00:48:34] Angel Wilborn: Right. Exactly. Exactly. 

[00:48:36] Penny Fitzgerald: Yeah. Gosh, it's so good to see you again and talk with you and catch up a bit. Same. I appreciate it. Yeah. We'll have to do this again. Um, next year, like in 2025 soon. Yes. 

[00:48:48] Angel Wilborn: I'm here for it. So let me know. Yeah. Yeah. I'm here for it, Penny. 

[00:48:52] Penny Fitzgerald: All right.

[00:48:53] Thanks Angel. Have a great night. Thank you. You 

[00:48:55] Angel Wilborn: too. Bye. Happy holidays. Happy holidays. Yes. Bye. Bye.