From Hustle to Harmony: Kami Guildner on Visibility, Wisdom & Owning Your Voice

This week’s episode is pure magic. I’m chatting with Kami Guildner—soulful business coach, retreat leader, and author of Fire Dancer. We were introduced by our mutual friend Kristina, who knew we shared a passion for helping women rise. She was so right.

Kami opens up about her journey from corporate VP to empowering women entrepreneurs and leaders through her signature blend of soul and strategy. She shares how she helps women clarify their vision, elevate their voice, and step fully into visibility—without the grind. We also dive into somatic coaching, horse-guided breakthroughs, and why embracing who you are (wrinkles, wisdom, and all) is your greatest superpower.

What you’ll hear in this episode:

• How to redefine success beyond the hustle
• The three pillars of Kami’s work: Vision, Voice & Visibility
• What horses can teach us about leadership and presence
• Why your voice matters more now than ever
• Kami’s take on aging boldly and staying true to yourself
• Her favorite Oregon wine memories and the magic of slowing down

Whether you’re building your business, changing careers, or rediscovering your spark—this one will light you up.

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Transcript

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[00:00:36] Penny Fitzgerald: This week's episode is Pure Magic. ~I'm sitting down with Kami Guildner a Soul.~ I'm sitting down with Kami Guildner, a soulful business coach, retreat leader, and the author of Fire Dancer. We were introduced by our mutual friend Kristina, who instantly knew we had to meet. Our missions are so aligned and our mindsets are right in sync, and wow, was she right?

Cammie's journey from corporate executive to champion for women's voices [00:01:00] is powerful. We talk about soulful strategy, redefining success beyond the hustle, the power of somatic coaching with horses, and why it's never too late to start something new. Whether you're building your business or rediscovering your spark, this one will light you Up here is Kami Guildner.

Hello, penny Kami,. How are you? 

[00:01:22] Kami Guildner: I'm good. How are you? I'm 

[00:01:24] Penny Fitzgerald: good. Thanks to meet. It's so great to meet you. You too. You too. Great to meet you. Oh my gosh. I'm so excited to talk to you. Um, thank you. Yeah. Um, so I, um, heard of you, I guess through a mutual friend. Who is that? Um, it is, um, Kristina in Colorado. Um, I think she's a friend of your mother's.

[00:01:47] Kami Guildner: Oh yeah, that's right. Now I remember that. I remember that. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. She's a friend of my aunt's, actually. 

[00:01:53] Penny Fitzgerald: Your aunt. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I always get that wrong, but yeah. Yeah. Wonderful. Yeah. And where are you at? I'm, I'm in [00:02:00] Sarasota, Florida for now. Cool. Until summer and I'll, it sounds nice and warm. It is very.

We're in under a heat dome right now. 

[00:02:06] Kami Guildner: Oh, I, I am envious because we're about ready to get snow, so, oh 

[00:02:10] Penny Fitzgerald: my gosh. Where are you? 

[00:02:11] Kami Guildner: We're in Colorado. 

[00:02:12] Penny Fitzgerald: Yeah. Oh, you're in Colorado too? 

[00:02:13] Kami Guildner: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

[00:02:16] Penny Fitzgerald: Yeah. Wonderful. Yeah. 

[00:02:18] Kami Guildner: Yeah. Now Kristina and I know each other through, uh, my aunt and, um, we did a, a polo match together last year, so we've got to hang out a couple times.

So it's Oh, how 

[00:02:27] Penny Fitzgerald: fun. 

[00:02:28] Kami Guildner: Yeah. A 

[00:02:28] Penny Fitzgerald: what match? A polo match. A polo match. Oh, wonderful. Yeah. Yeah. She's, um, are, do you have horses as well? Yeah, we, we have horses, yeah. Oh, nice. Yeah. Fantastic. Yeah. Oh, okay. And you are a coach as well? I am a coach. Is that what you do? I, yes, absolutely That and, you know, mainly I, I teach, uh, female entrepreneurs mindset and technology and using systems to be more efficient.

But it sounds like we have very. We are very much [00:03:00] aligned in our belief system and what, how we want to lift women up. So I'm excited to talk to you about that. 

[00:03:06] Kami Guildner: Totally, totally, totally. Yeah. Tell us a little bit about what you do. Um, so I am a business coach. I help women put their messages out into the world and big ways and, and really, you know, um, I believe that women's wisdom is a medicine our earth needs.

And yeah. And so I feel like we've got some special gifts that's really going to shape the future of the world. So I'm all about elevating women's voices and visibility and getting, you know, women out to be seen and to be heard. Fantastic. 

[00:03:37] Penny Fitzgerald: Yeah, that is exactly aligned. Yeah. Oh, cool. 

[00:03:40] Kami Guildner: Tell me more about yours.

[00:03:41] Penny Fitzgerald: Well, don't you feel that women in leadership roles will, you know, we lead from heart. Yeah. And. Supporting and sustaining and lifting others up, um, and 

[00:03:55] Kami Guildner: wisdom, 

[00:03:55] Penny Fitzgerald: like I think 

[00:03:56] Kami Guildner: we have 

[00:03:57] Penny Fitzgerald: incredible 

[00:03:57] Kami Guildner: wisdom, right? I mean that on, on [00:04:00] le on how leadership should work, so, 

[00:04:02] Penny Fitzgerald: yeah. Right. Oh my gosh. Okay. Tell me more about that.

How did you come to become a coach? 

[00:04:08] Kami Guildner: So I was, um. I, I was in the corporate world for many, many years. I mm-hmm. Um, was, you know, 20 plus years in the oil and gas software industry. I left in 2008 and, um, was. Not quite sure where I, I always thought that I would go back to being a VP of marketing and branding because that's what I did.

Mm-hmm. And, um, as I was, um, exploring that, I, I got really clear that, you know, that wasn't what I was supposed to do. I was supposed to go start my own business and become a coach. So I became a coach very early on and I was a coach who, um, who. Who was helping corporate women discover their next chapter originally.

And, um, as, as my corporate women started going through all of that inner work, what happened was is that [00:05:00] they, they started to, um, they started to. Take that leap, right? To take that next leap into something new and starting their own business. And so they'd left behind the corporate world. So that's when I really started coaching women entrepreneurs.

So I've been coaching women entrepreneurs for over a decade at this point. A long time. Yeah. That's 

[00:05:20] Penny Fitzgerald: great. 

[00:05:20] Kami Guildner: Yeah. 

[00:05:21] Penny Fitzgerald: Yeah. Do you feel that, I'm speak preaching to the choir here, I'm sure, but do you feel that a lot of women feel like they're not. Dying is a little bit dramatic, but in a corporate setting there, it's soul crushing at times.

Right. 

[00:05:42] Kami Guildner: I think, I think that's a really good word, soul crushing. And it's like finding that pathway. Um, and I, and I think that, you know, some companies are recognizing that they need to make shifts in the way they, you know, they create environments that. That are uplifting women and there's, I, you know, really [00:06:00] honor the companies that are making that kind of commitment.

Mm-hmm. Unfortunately, I think there's a lot that's, you know, companies going backwards right now, which is even, you know, scarier. Yeah. Um, and in fact I've started coaching corporate women again just recently. Yeah. Because, because of that, because I believe that women's, you know, women need that support around them to be uplifted.

And, um, I've got the tools and the, the, that I can help them really. Build their influence and really accelerate how they're showing up as leaders in their organizations and in their industries. So it's work that started in the corporate world. My thought leadership coaching and teaching started in the corporate world.

I did that as a VP of marketing, uplifting a lot of brands and thought leaders and you know, my core work will always be with women entrepreneurs, but. Just recently, I'm like, you know, I'm gonna take this full circle again and take it back to corporate women and help empower women in that, in those spaces.

[00:06:58] Penny Fitzgerald: Wow. Yeah, that's really [00:07:00] empowering when I think about that. It can make a huge impact because if more women stay in corporate 

[00:07:06] Kami Guildner: mm-hmm. 

[00:07:07] Penny Fitzgerald: And elevate to leadership roles 

[00:07:10] Kami Guildner: Yeah. 

[00:07:11] Penny Fitzgerald: Then they would have the ability to change the culture. Yeah, totally. And make it better for others coming behind them. 

[00:07:17] Kami Guildner: Yeah. And it's interesting 'cause I, you know, I've always been very focused, but it's like, you know, I just feel this calling to, to really lift women up in those spaces as well.

Yeah. 

[00:07:28] Penny Fitzgerald: Well, it, it's important to, I think, listen to those cues and those mm-hmm. Gentle nudges. 

[00:07:33] Kami Guildner: Yeah. We do. We have to listen to what calls to us. Right, right. Yeah. Right. Well, and sometimes I feel like it's okay, you 

[00:07:40] Penny Fitzgerald: get a little pebble at first. Mm-hmm. Or a little tap and then. It gets louder or harder or bigger.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's best to pay 

[00:07:48] Kami Guildner: attention to it before it becomes older. Those are, yeah. Those little signposts, right? Yeah. In my book I talk about signposts, I talk about, um, you know, listening to the signposts that show up for us and guide us in, in new [00:08:00] directions and open up doors. So definitely. Cool.

What's your book? Tell us about that. It's fire dancer, it's, um, fire dancer, your spiral journey to a life of passion and purpose. 

[00:08:09] Penny Fitzgerald: Ooh, goosebumps. That's nice. 

[00:08:11] Kami Guildner: Yeah. Yeah. And I wrote that it, it released in 2016. Okay. So it's, it's been out for a while. Uh, but it's, it's, it's a lot of that inner work of, of who are you at your very essence and what's the impact that you wanna make with your work.

And, um, yeah. So that's, that's super cool. 

[00:08:29] Penny Fitzgerald: That is very cool. Yeah. So is that available on Amazon or where can people find it? Is Amazon. Mm-hmm. Okay. It's on Amazon. Cool. Well, I'll put a link to that in our show notes for everyone too, to check that out. Cool, cool, cool. Yeah. Okay. So, um, tell us about how, like, what are some of your, um, methodologies or what, what do you coach women?

Like how, what do, what would you say to them? Um. Like, how do you serve your people? 

[00:08:54] Kami Guildner: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, um, I have, I, I work with both Soul Plus strategy, right? So that's a, a [00:09:00] foundation in all of my work. So we listen to that inner wisdom. And then I, you know, I've been doing marketing and strategy for, you know, decades.

I. And so being able to pull the strategy on and alongside of that soulful work, I think is really magical. Mm-hmm. So that's, that's really a, a, a core foundation of my work is that I bring both those elements to it. My pillars of my work are vision. So it's like really getting into the impact that you wanna make.

I work with change maker, women who want to make a difference. Mm-hmm. And, uh, so the, you know, it's that, you know, what's that? What's the impact that you wanna make? What's the vision that you have? For it of your impact on the world, and then what's your impact and the, that you wanna create for yourself and your life.

So that's the, the vision of the impact that you, the life that you wanna create. To do that, you've gotta have the right packaging and the right pricing, the right business model to, to grow your business. So that's the vision pillar of my work. And so really getting [00:10:00] into, you know, how do you price your services and, and does it add up to what you're wanting, the type of business that you're wanting to create.

And one with time prosperity and wealth prosperity. So that's, I think, really important is just, you know, to create the life that we, that we love mm-hmm. To create the business that we love. So that's the vision part. The voice part is getting into how do you really speak your clients, um, love language that the, you know, how do you're attracting clients into your business, your soul clients, those ideal clients that you want to, you know, bring into your business.

Mm-hmm. How do you speak their love language? And, you know, get into their heads of what's going on right now in their, in their lives. Mm-hmm. In their, in, you know, as they're waking up in the morning that you're really speaking to them, you know, what's going on with them right now. 

[00:10:48] Penny Fitzgerald: Yeah. 

[00:10:49] Kami Guildner: So what 

[00:10:49] Penny Fitzgerald: kept them up last night?

[00:10:51] Kami Guildner: Yeah. Yeah. And getting into, you know, so that you really understand that customer journey. Mm-hmm. Um, and, and that's one element of voice. And the o another element of [00:11:00] voice is, is. Building your brand from the inside out so it's really aligned to who you are. 

[00:11:05] Penny Fitzgerald: And then 

[00:11:05] Kami Guildner: the third element of voice is becoming a thought leader in your space.

So you are known as the go-to expert in your field. 

[00:11:13] Penny Fitzgerald: Mm-hmm. 

[00:11:13] Kami Guildner: Nice. And yeah, so those, there's three elements to voice. And then once you have those in place, it's like, okay, how are you gonna get visible? And what's the marketing ecosystem that you're building for, for yourself? And that's the visibility.

Mm-hmm. Pillar. And that's where, you know, are you doing, are you getting on stages? Are you doing podcast guesting? Are you doing, you know, lots of social, I mean, everybody gets to choose what their, their, their marketing mix looks like. Mm-hmm. But it's, it's like finding the right marketing mix for yourself and then creating a marketing ecosystem where you have a steady flow of clients coming into your business.

So those are the three pillars of the work that I teach. Yeah. 

[00:11:54] Penny Fitzgerald: That's great. I, I feel like a lot of women have a spark or have an idea [00:12:00] and just don't know where to go with it. Yeah. Or how to, where to start. And they get overwhelmed. 

[00:12:05] Kami Guildner: Yeah. 

[00:12:06] Penny Fitzgerald: So they don't, yeah. And I work 

[00:12:07] Kami Guildner: mostly with clients who have businesses that you know, that they've got a foundation in their business.

Okay, good. And it's the next level. It's like, so I've got, I have mastermind programs for women who are trying to get to the six figure market or Mark. Okay. And then I have a mastermind program for women who are over six figures. Um, so I That's great. A couple different mastermind. And so it's a continual journey uhhuh of applying these principles, but you know, at different levels of your business, you're bringing different insights into it and you're working with different communities, you know, people are further along in their business.

[00:12:42] Penny Fitzgerald: Oh, that's, that's great to have mentors and, um, sup a support system. Yes. In place. Yes. Uhhuh. Wow. I, I feel like a lot of women too, we get in this, um, you, you know, we've been raised to work hard mm-hmm. [00:13:00] Grind it out. Mm-hmm. You know, which really is, I hate that word too. I, I'm like, I too, oh my gosh, no. Yeah.

No, that's not hustle. No, it's, 

[00:13:08] Kami Guildner: and it's, I mean, that's definitely, I, I grew up with, uh, you know, you work hard to get where you wanna go. Yeah. And, and I think that's one of those things that I really. Learn to, well, what if it doesn't have to be hard? What if it right. You know, not to say that it's always easy building, building a business because it's not right.

But I don't wanna grind in my business. I don't wanna be in a day-to-day grind. I want to, you know, set my business up in a smart way, right. So that I can, I can create a business that I really love working in. 

[00:13:38] Penny Fitzgerald: Yeah. I feel like too much grind or too much Go, go, go. It's. It's counterproductive. Oh, totally.

It's like pushing a rope up a hill. It just doesn't work. Yeah, yeah, totally. I would agree with that. Well, and it comes down to, I, I feel like also, um, how you define success. Like you were talking about time. [00:14:00] You know, it's not just, you know, what, what's, what's successful? Is it how much time you get to spend at the beach or with your horses or, yeah, 

[00:14:08] Kami Guildner: yeah, exactly.

Time is important as we need to be. I, I believe in even the energy that we move through time. You know, there's, 

[00:14:16] Penny Fitzgerald: mm-hmm. 

[00:14:17] Kami Guildner: One thing is, you know, we can look at, there's creating white space on our calendars, which I talk about a lot. Mm-hmm. But the other side of that is like the energy that we move from one event to another.

Like, you know, from one meeting to the next or from the end of your workday to your evening. Um, being very conscientious about how we move. Through time. Mm. Mm-hmm. Um, and giving ourselves some spaciousness in that Yeah. Is really, really important. It's, and, and if we get into this frenzy of rush, we bring that energy into how we interact with our clients and how we interact in our marketing.

You know, so all of that is really important. How, how we look at it [00:15:00] through that lens. 

[00:15:01] Penny Fitzgerald: Absolutely. Everything is energy and what you bring, you attract more of. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. Oh wow, that's so true. So true. So how do you, um, like your masterminds, describe how you, how you do those? Do you do retreats or, um, are you meeting over Zoom?

Do you have everybody locally? What do you, how do you work that? 

[00:15:24] Kami Guildner: Um, my clients are all over, so they, you know, we do, we definitely leverage Zoom and we meet Nice three times a month. Mm-hmm. And um, you know, so we are in constant. Connection throughout a course of a year, Uhhuh. Um, and in fact, many of my clients stay with me for more than one year.

That's uhhuh, that's not uncommon. And, um, so it's that. Um, but the, the, you know, a mastermind program is one year. And so it's, it's a commitment to yourself to really, I. Be in community, to engage in community, but also to receive so much learning and mm-hmm. You know, what, [00:16:00] you know, the types of, of tools and strategies that from take your business to the next level.

I do bring retreats into my mastermind programs. I do equine assisted retreats, so I bring my horses into, oh, they come in in the summertime, they do a retreat with me. We do a, a speaker's retreat called Soul Speaks from the stage. So there are a few times throughout the year that people come in and at my very upper level mastermind programs, my platinum, where there are women who are over six figures.

We do programs where, where, um, or we do retreats that are a business retreat twice a year. So those are in person as well. Nice. Yeah. 

[00:16:40] Penny Fitzgerald: Oh gosh. Yeah. I, you know, when women come together and support each other, I think we're unstoppable. Totally. 

[00:16:47] Kami Guildner: Totally. And I, and I just, I believe that with all of my heart and I see.

Mm-hmm. You know, I mean, I've experienced that myself. I've been, I've been in mastermind communities almost all of my, my business career most or my, my entrepreneurial [00:17:00] career. Mm-hmm. And I think what Masterminds do for me is, is they get me one to stretch further. I mean, as a coach, you know, you know what that is.

It's like coach, coach helps, a coach, helps us stretch and step into bigger spaces. Yeah. Um, the community uplifts us and ups and downs of our businesses and having that kind of support is really important because. Being an entrepreneur is messy. Right. It's not, it's not a straight line. It never will be a straight line.

Right? Yeah. And so really being in tune with that I think is important. Yeah, 

[00:17:34] Penny Fitzgerald: that's great. I hear, I heard recently that being an entrepreneur is a little like building a train while it's going down the track. 

[00:17:42] Kami Guildner: Mm-hmm. 

[00:17:43] Penny Fitzgerald: Yep. I would agree with that. 

[00:17:44] Kami Guildner: I would totally agree with that. How long have you been 

[00:17:46] Penny Fitzgerald: doing this?

Um, well, I coached women in a direct selling industry for. 18 years. Okay. So I had a team of about 600 people. Oh gosh. Um, yeah. And we, you know, doing a lot of training and [00:18:00] mentoring, inspiring and, um, supporting Uhhuh. Then, um, about a year and a half ago, um, our company closed their doors or changed their business model.

So I, you know, I thought, what is, what do I wanna do now with the, you know, what, what's next? So, the piece that I really loved was lifting other women. I. Yeah, well, and I sold wine, so that was pretty fun too. But, but I can still do a lot of research with the wine, but yeah, while I'm lifting other women. So yeah, that's kind of about a, a year and a half on my own.

Excellent. Congratulations. Thank you. It's been wonderful. Yeah. It's, it's, um, you know, I'm, I'm, I start restarted this new career, this new phase of it. At 59. Mm-hmm. Good for you. Thank you. Yeah. And it's, it's one of those things that it's also a story. 

[00:18:55] Kami Guildner: Yeah, totally. It's never too late. It's, oh, it's definitely never too late.

I wrote a post about that. I [00:19:00] mean, I, I wrote a, um, a blog post this week about that and, um, totally agree with that. And it's like really embracing who we are. I, I'll tell you a story. Um, when I was 59, I had, I started having a lot of those. That self doubt of like, oh my gosh, um, am I still relevant in the work that I'm doing?

And yes. You know, are people gonna be drawn to me? You know, I'm getting, you know, when I, so these were stories I was telling myself when I was 59. Oh yeah. And. I think the best gift that happened to me that year was I, um, a client came into my mastermind, into my platinum mastermind program who was 70 and she is a rockstar.

Her voice, she, she speaks around the globe. She, um, nice. She is, she is known for her work on ageism and, um, is very love it. Highly, um, people are sought, she's highly sought after for, as a speaker. Mm-hmm. Um, because she's [00:20:00] just so, because her message, and she's very well known in this space. She is the go-to expert in this space, right?

Like she's the top expert in this space and. What's great. That was like such a gift to have her come into my community because I was like, oh my gosh, look at what she's doing. Mm-hmm. I, I have lots of left in me to be contributing and so it was really a great gift. And, um, so we had a, you know, we had a great conversation or we had, or.

This week I wrote this, this blog post, which has created a whole lot of conversation around it. And part of it is that, so I'm 62. I turned 62 just this week. Oh, happy birthday. Oh, thank you. Thank you, thank you. And as you can see, I am, oh, you know, I'm embracing my silver, right? I'm just, so, I'm about five and a half months into this silver journey, and someone wrote a, someone I admire very deeply, uh, wrote a, a blog post last week and, and talked about how.

Women need to, um, spend all this money. And [00:21:00] her point was around our, our, our. Um, care of our hair and our clothing should be tax deductible, which I totally agree with. When we're getting on stages, I totally agree that we should be able to deduct mm-hmm. You know, a wardrobe that we have to get on stages with.

We can't, but that was her main point. But she was, but her other point was, is that it's, it's women are required to look a certain way. They have to be skinny enough, beautiful enough, do all the dying of their hair, all the makeup, all the things, all the, she was even talking about Botox, which I was like, yeah, no, I'm not doing Botox.

Mm-hmm. 

[00:21:34] Penny Fitzgerald: Um, 

[00:21:34] Kami Guildner: so I replied back to that saying. Hell no. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, yes to the deducting the expenses, but no, to all these other things. We need to be who we are and really embrace who we are. So that was that I, that, that post actually sparked my, you know, my, my writing to my blog this past week because I believe that, [00:22:00] you know, what we stand for is being true to who we are, and we have so much to give.

As we, as we become wiser. Mm-hmm. Um, we have so much to give. And I think that that's a really important thing and, and not to fall to the standards of beauty that are, are self imposed. Yeah. Yes. You know? 

[00:22:23] Penny Fitzgerald: Oh gosh. Okay. To, sorry, to be crude and use a, an equine thing, but it's, it's horseshit. It's.

It just is. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Yeah. The whole, um, yeah. Women have to look a certain way, behave a certain way. I mean, a lot of that's outdated now. And I think Pete, I think the culture is shifting a bit, but some of us who have been there, done that. Still kind of feel it, you know? Yeah. Still feel like, oh my gosh, I have these wrinkles now and this creepy skin.

And embrace your wrinkles. 

[00:22:56] Kami Guildner: Embrace your wrinkles. Get rid of the Spanx take up [00:23:00] space. You know, all those sorts of things. Oh my God, 

[00:23:02] Penny Fitzgerald: I love you.

[00:23:08] Kami Guildner: Just be you. Just be you and show. Just speed you up and show. Mechanically, you know, go get on stages, go be visible, because visi visibility is your fire. That's what's gonna make your business grow all day long. The is is by getting visible, whether it's stages, podcast, whatever you choose. Oh gosh. But be you don't try to be, don't try to like be a 20-year-old that, you know, you just, you, you don't wanna do that.

Yeah, 

[00:23:34] Penny Fitzgerald: exactly. 

[00:23:35] Kami Guildner: Yeah. 

[00:23:35] Penny Fitzgerald: I think of the 20-year-old me and I'm like, oh my gosh, I have so much to learn. Yeah. Yeah, totally. I was kind of a jerk when I was 20.

Oh gosh. Yeah. I mean, I've earned every bit, every one of these wrinkles. Absolutely. That's what I always say that, absolutely say that. Yeah. I kind of like the red hair though. I might keep that. There you go. 

[00:23:58] Kami Guildner: And it's like this, you know, there's no [00:24:00] judgment on anything. It's like, just be who you wanna be. No.

[00:24:02] Penny Fitzgerald: Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I love that. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Um. I'm not sure where to go with that, because that is just such a great topic. It, it's so big. Um, yeah. How do you, how do you suggest, um, women feel comfortable in their own skin? Hmm. That's a 

[00:24:25] Kami Guildner: great question. I. One is just getting out and being in your skin, I mean, right?

Mm-hmm. I mean, it's like the first time that you go out and get on a stage, you're gonna be nervous as, as, 

[00:24:34] Penny Fitzgerald: oh god. Yeah. You know, you're 

[00:24:35] Kami Guildner: just going to be, and it's okay. Yeah. Mm-hmm. You know, and, and it's like, you know, so just getting out and doing it is one thing. The other thing is I definitely teach a lot of, I teach my clients to really.

Um, come into their body. Mm-hmm. So like when we do soul speaks from the stage, or even my equine vision journey retreats with my horses, one of the the great things that the horses can teach us is how do we embody who we [00:25:00] are? Mm-hmm. And how do we get out of our head and how do we get into our bodies?

And we do that with Soul Speaks from the stage as well. It's like, how do we get out of, if you're gonna go walk onto the stage, how do you get out of your head and drop into your body? Mm-hmm. So that involves a lot of somatic type work. Oh yeah. So like, knowing where you're holding something in your body, and if, like, if you're holding tension in your shoulders 

[00:25:24] Penny Fitzgerald: mm-hmm.

What can you 

[00:25:25] Kami Guildner: do? Can you re, can you release that? Can you open up, can you make space around yourself? So there's. A lot of somatic practices that I take my clients through, and that's what I think is helps people start to just really come into their skin right as you, as you, as you called it. Get present.

Become present. Right. Just. And another thing that we teach in our soul speaks from the stage is that if you're on a stage, you're actually having a conversation with one person at a time. So like, you might have [00:26:00] 300 people in the room, but you're p you're picking one person out to start, you know, to have a conversation with your, you're saying two to three sentences.

Eye to eye with that person. Mm-hmm. Then you might move to another person, eye to eye with that person the next two to three sentences. So you're really connecting at a soul level. Wow. When you're having conversations with people to, to, you know, bring your presentation to life, but mm-hmm. Actually just be grounded in that moment.

[00:26:30] Penny Fitzgerald: Yeah. 

[00:26:30] Kami Guildner: Yeah. 

[00:26:31] Penny Fitzgerald: I feel like a lot of that takes practice too. Like it does. Meditation really. Mm-hmm. Helps you. It, it's something that, yeah. It's hard to do, 

[00:26:40] Kami Guildner: but I meditate every day. I do too. It's, it's, it's something that's important you 

[00:26:43] Penny Fitzgerald: have to keep practice at because if you, if you, like, if my own life, I can tell if I've missed like a week or, you know, been too busy.

Too busy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You have to take time for it. It's a mental exercise and it's a, a [00:27:00] spiritual. Not really spiritual, but it's, it's very, it keeps you centered, keeps you focused, keeps you present. 'cause I, I feel like it's the best gift you can give to someone else is to listen to them. To let them feel seen and heard.

[00:27:13] Kami Guildner: Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. And to give yourself, I. On the flip side of that is if you're meditating, you're giving yourself time to be seen and heard. Right? Like just to be in that moment. It's like, what's here right now? I know this morning I sat and I was like, I had like some things drop in and I'm like, oh, oh.

That's what it is, right? Yes. And if I would've just jumped into my day Exactly. Yeah. I would've missed that. Yep. Yeah. And so I think it's really important to do that. 

[00:27:44] Penny Fitzgerald: Exactly. You, I tell people, my students as well, that you gotta slow down to speed up because if you're not, if you're too busy going, going, going, you don't get the answer.

You don't get the. The solution to whatever [00:28:00] problem. Yeah. If you don't sit, sit still long enough to listen for it. 

[00:28:03] Kami Guildner: Yeah, yeah. Totally. Wow. 

[00:28:06] Penny Fitzgerald: That's great. Okay, so, um, gosh, what else do you wanna talk about with the, um, with your, like the semantics? How do you, how do you teach that? Like, is that a 

[00:28:21] Kami Guildner: physical, the somatic?

The somatics? Yeah. Yeah. Um, it's, it's very much. That's when I really drop into my intuition when I start coaching on that sort of thing. Mm-hmm. It's like, I'll, I'll be, you know, having a conversation with a client and I'll, and I'll just notice, I'll feel like tension or I'll feel like, for example, I just had, um, I was in a, a, my, one of my platinum retreats just recently and one of the women, um, was, was speaking and I'm like, ti time out here, hold on a moment.

I said, what do you feel in your throat right now? 

[00:28:54] Penny Fitzgerald: Oh, you could tell because I could just 

[00:28:55] Kami Guildner: feel it, right? Uhhuh? I could. Uh, what is going on with your throat right now? Uhhuh. And [00:29:00] she paused and she started to kind of listen. I was like, okay, let's, let's, and then she started describing what she felt. And it was definitely blockage right there.

Definitely You could hear it. I could, well, I could feel it, right? Oh gosh. I could feel it in my body where it was. Wow. And I was like, okay, let's work with this. Let's like open, let's work with opening up this space. What does this feel like? So it's, it's a matter of being really present to where my clients are.

[00:29:25] Penny Fitzgerald: Mm-hmm. 

[00:29:26] Kami Guildner: And being able to. You know, notice what's happening. Mm-hmm. And, um, and then ask them to, you know, let's work with this. Um, and, and that's why I love the horse retreats because the horses really, and the horses will engage. When, when you're like, fully in light alignment, they're gonna come and, and they're gonna engage with you in a deep way, or they're gonna, you know, they're gonna find, they're gonna bring messages of some sort, right?

Mm-hmm. If you are not, if, if you've got some, some blockages, they're gonna totally like dis disengage. They're [00:30:00] like, okay, I feel, you know, they're, they, they're not. They want to find that, that coherency, if you will. 

[00:30:06] Penny Fitzgerald: Wow. And, 

[00:30:07] Kami Guildner: um, that's why I love doing it with the horses. I mean, I can, and, and they actually are the ones that taught me to be able to wow.

See and feel that with my clients uhhuh, right? As, because that the work that I, when I did my certifications in the equine guided education work, um, excuse me, it was with a woman who, who had a lot of somatic background and um, so she taught that in her work. So it was really something that I learned through the horses and through that, that, that body of work that I was able to take that into my other coaching.

You know, even on a Zoom call, I can, you know, tap into that. 

[00:30:49] Penny Fitzgerald: Wow. 

[00:30:50] Kami Guildner: Well, and they're, they're very intuitive creatures, right? Yeah. Yeah, they are very much so. They, you know, they live in a, a life where [00:31:00] they are, you know, their heart space is large and so their heart resonates at a mar much larger. Rate that, or, you know, um, amount of space than ours.

Wow. And, and we start to tap into that resonance. Um, and they can actually even measure how our heart rates start to, to match with theirs. Really, it's fascinating work. Right? I mean, it's just so fascinating. That is 

[00:31:23] Penny Fitzgerald: fascinating. And you 

[00:31:25] Kami Guildner: think about the pace that we go all the time mm-hmm. And all the things that are happening around the world.

Hmm. And when, when we, you know, we're always in this state of information coming at us, and when you come into one of my retreats like this, you, I always say, you're slowing down to the pace of my horses. And they live a pretty chilled life. And so that, that ability to be able to like drop in and be in an environment where all this outside noise goes away.

Oh wow. You can hear different. [00:32:00] Levels of wisdom coming from yourself. 

[00:32:02] Penny Fitzgerald: Mm-hmm. 

[00:32:03] Kami Guildner: Because you're so, you become so present, um, and the, you know, the horses start to show up and they engage with you or they don't mm-hmm. Or whatever the, you know, it's like, what does that mean to you? It's not that I'm ever interpreting what happens for what, you know, what the horse do, but I'm like, mm-hmm.

You know, this horse has been pine for, for. Oh wow. What's, what's that reflect inside of you? What's there? Um, you know, wow. So, and, and you, I'm blown away by how mm-hmm. It's always ties to something going on inside of that person. They're like, wow, oh my gosh. You know, I feel like, you know, and they'll go down a pathway of something and, um, so it really gives a great space to be able to let, let, um.

Let meaning happen mm-hmm. Or be discovered. Mm-hmm. And without all the noise that's constantly around us. 

[00:32:56] Penny Fitzgerald: Mm-hmm. 

[00:32:57] Kami Guildner: That sounds so powerful. 

[00:32:59] Penny Fitzgerald: [00:33:00] Yeah. Uh, do, do some of the women that attend the, I'm sure there are some 

[00:33:04] Kami Guildner: emotional breakthroughs and Oh my gosh, yes. I mean, and it's, you know, I've done hundreds of these and it's, it's, it's.

The breakthroughs that happen are never the same. Mm-hmm. Um, the experiences that happen in, in the ring, the round pen, are never the same. And you know, even for people who come back many times and have done my work many times with the horses, I. It's, it's really huge breakthroughs. And sometimes it's, it's, it's about releasing something.

So, you know, they're walking outta something, they're leaving something behind. Sometimes it's about something bigger that they're stepping into. Um, sometimes it's about like, fears that they might have about something that those need to be worked through or some sort of a frustration. Um, it's, it's just a really fabulous way to hold space for someone to.

Whatever needs to come up for them will come [00:34:00] up. Discover that. Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:34:03] Penny Fitzgerald: Do you feel like some of it is, um, based on, not necessarily big T traumas, but something that's happened to them in their past that they haven't really healed from? I. Could that be part of it? Mean 

[00:34:14] Kami Guildner: de I mean, it definitely can be, you know, it can definitely have very old stories in, in the mix of, of that.

Right. I mean, it could be stuff that goes back to being a child. Mm-hmm. And, and they pull it out. Right. I'm not pulling it out. They're pulling it out for themselves. And I think mm-hmm. That's an important part of that, as, you know, as a coach is like you're holding space to let that come to life. Right.

Yeah. Um, and you know, and that's why I work with women entrepreneurs in the space. I mean, there's people that do, um. That work with veterans, you know, they have PTSD with horses. Oh, wow. And, and you know, I actually had a group come to me, a veterans group, come to me and ask me if I would, I would lead re um, retreats for veterans.

And I'm like, I'm not, that's not my skillset. You know, if somebody gets triggered with some pt. [00:35:00] PTSD, you need to have a different level of, of Right. A, a therapist type of, a psychotherapist type of person to be able to lead that through. Um, with entrepreneurs, I'm, you know, it's, it's a different level, but I think the work for veterans is amazing.

Or for kids, you know, who oh gosh, are going through things. Um mm-hmm. You know, it, it's very amazing what can happen. Mm-hmm. For, for. You know, women entrepreneurs, I'm very equipped to help them in that space. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it, it's comfortable. We've been there. We're We're in 

[00:35:33] Penny Fitzgerald: it. 

[00:35:33] Kami Guildner: Yeah. We're in it. I know it.

I, I get it and yeah. Lemme help 

[00:35:37] Penny Fitzgerald: bring you up with up, you know? Yeah. Come 

[00:35:39] Kami Guildner: through this with me. 

[00:35:39] Penny Fitzgerald: Yeah, 

[00:35:40] Kami Guildner: yeah, yeah. 

[00:35:41] Penny Fitzgerald: Yeah. 

[00:35:41] Kami Guildner: So it's, it's pretty magical work. 

[00:35:43] Penny Fitzgerald: Yeah. Oh, for sure. Well, and I think about your 70-year-old client, how wonderful that is, that she's leading the way for the rest of us too. Oh yeah. And now she's 72.

[00:35:53] Kami Guildner: She's, and she is like on fire with what she's doing, so That's fantastic. Yeah. We have long ways to go. Yeah. 

[00:35:59] Penny Fitzgerald: Oh, for [00:36:00] sure. Yeah, I, one of the visualizations I lead my clients through is, um, thinking about your 80-year-old self. Yeah, 

[00:36:06] Kami Guildner: I know. I actually changed that exercise. Yeah, I did. Yeah. As we get older, 

[00:36:11] Penny Fitzgerald: we have to push that out a little bit.

She called 

[00:36:12] Kami Guildner: me on that. She said, I'm too close to that. I'm like, okay, let's make it 90. Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:36:18] Penny Fitzgerald: Okay. With that. 

[00:36:19] Kami Guildner: Yeah. 

[00:36:22] Penny Fitzgerald: Oh gosh. Okay, so, um. The horses. How many horses do you have? I have three horses. Three? Okay. Mm-hmm. 

[00:36:30] Kami Guildner: Yep. I have two MAs that I have had for many, many years and we just had a new, um, nice gentleman join us.

Um, this, this past fall, we, we lost a couple horses who had gotten older, um, through, um, in the last few years. And so, um, we had a new horse come join us. Aw. Yeah. 

[00:36:49] Penny Fitzgerald: That's wonderful. So you do the retreats at your home there then? I do. Mm-hmm. Okay. Oh my gosh, that's amazing. 

[00:36:56] Kami Guildner: Yeah. We live in the foothills of Colorado, so it's beautiful and [00:37:00] got wildlife around us and that becomes part of it, and it's, you know, it's all magical.

[00:37:05] Penny Fitzgerald: Absolutely. 

[00:37:06] Kami Guildner: Yeah. It 

[00:37:07] Penny Fitzgerald: does. It definitely feels very, um, energetic. Mm-hmm. Energetically. Mm-hmm. Um, po It's a positive space, I feel like. Yeah. When, you know, when we visited up in Evergreen, we were there. For my, a good college Buddy's 60th. 

[00:37:24] Kami Guildner: Okay. 

[00:37:25] Penny Fitzgerald: Not long ago. And, um, that's where I met Kristina. Oh, cool. Very cool.

Yeah. Yeah, it was, we stayed with them. So it was just a wonderful all the way around, like celebrating my girlfriend's birthday, hanging out with Kristina and just having, you know, new friends and the whole, oh gosh. The atmosphere was amazing. Yeah. Evergreen's a great place. I love living here. Oh yeah.

It's beautiful. I can see why you love it. Okay, so what have I not asked you that you think would be a, a great [00:38:00] service to women? 

[00:38:02] Kami Guildner: I've kind of covered it. I feel like I've, um, you know, I've hit a lot of the work that I do, I stand for and, you know. Yeah. I feel like that's, we've 

[00:38:10] Penny Fitzgerald: hit a lot of that. Oh, that's amazing.

Where, where can people find you? Um, if they wanna like check out what you do and your retreats and that sort of thing, how would they, um, learn about that? My website 

[00:38:19] Kami Guildner: is Kami Guildner. Com, so K-A-M-I-G-U-I-L-D-N-E r.com. Mm-hmm. And if you go to my Get Contacts page, you can, um, you know, you can get regular updates from me.

I write, um, a newsletter every week. And, um, I also do free trainings every month. So my events page on, um, my events, um. If you navigate over to events on my, my, um, webpage, you'll see all the, the free events that I, that I've got coming up. So I've always got something going on. 

[00:38:51] Penny Fitzgerald: Fantastic. Yeah, I'll, I'll link to all those in the show notes as well.

Okay. Thank you. So one thing that I always, I like to bring the [00:39:00] conversation around to something off topic and fun. Sure. What's your favorite cocktail or glass 

[00:39:05] Kami Guildner: of wine? Oh gosh. Um, I, um, am a big organ. Um, Pinot fan. Really? Really? Yeah. My, my son lives in Oregon, so I love Oregon Pinots. Nice. Um, so just about anything Oregon pinot is Okay.

Is my favorite glass. Wonderful. Okay. So any particular vineyard a favorite? Um, yeah. I, we have a lot of archery. Cape, um, arch Archer Cape is, I think is what it's called, Archer Cape. Um, that I like a lot. Nice. Yeah. 

[00:39:38] Penny Fitzgerald: Yeah. Wonderful. I, um, we took a trip with some wine friends up there. Mm-hmm. Uh, in 2000, I think it was 18, I think 

[00:39:46] Kami Guildner: Uhhuh.

[00:39:47] Penny Fitzgerald: Um, yeah, and just toured around. Tory Moore is beautiful. 

[00:39:51] Kami Guildner: Okay. I dunno. That one, 

[00:39:52] Penny Fitzgerald: um, gosh, there's so many up there. There. I should probably name them all. But 

[00:39:56] Kami Guildner: yeah, there's a, there's a great, um, collective there and, [00:40:00] um, a little town called Carlton. Yes. That has, have you been there? And that's really fun to go to because they're very small batch of Yes.

Wines that people go to, to create them there. And um, that's just a fun space to go to. Yeah. So. 

[00:40:14] Penny Fitzgerald: Yeah, and all up and down that area between Port Portland and the coast. Mm-hmm. In the Willamette. That's just amazing. Yeah, totally. Oh, fun. Okay. Okay, so what's a favorite memory sharing some of that Oregon pinot with friends or family?

I. 

[00:40:29] Kami Guildner: Oh gosh. Um, well, my son lives in Oregon, so that's, you know, we go visit a lot and my favorite memory is always getting to the coast and getting my feet into the sand of, of, of the Oregon coast. So that's, yeah. Um, something that lights me up. We were just there just two weeks ago and 

[00:40:46] Penny Fitzgerald: Oh, wonderful. 

[00:40:46] Kami Guildner: Yeah, so I love being on the Oregon coast, so if I can enjoy a little bit of.

Um, Willamette Wine on the, the coast. Yeah. I'm very happy. Nice. Yeah. Um, cannon Beach area, um, [00:41:00] they live just to the south of Canon Beach. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. 

[00:41:04] Penny Fitzgerald: Yeah. Nice. That's where we stayed when we were there. Well, part of the time is where we were, is on Yeah. They live in 

[00:41:09] Kami Guildner: Arch Cape, um, which is just, just south of, just South.

Oh, it's so beautiful. Yeah. And my son has a business. It's in Gerhard, so he, um. He basically has a very successful business, um, a hardwood flooring company that Oh, nice. That does all the hardwood flooring on that Oregon coast. So he does some beautiful, beautiful homes there. Wow. I 

[00:41:29] Penny Fitzgerald: imagine that's a, a pretty, uh.

Wonderful thing for that area. Yeah. Hardwood floors. He's got a great team. 

[00:41:37] Kami Guildner: He's got amazing team and um, they do, they do really beautiful work. So Nice. They, they're, they're all craftsmen. The whole, his whole team are true craftsmen. 

[00:41:47] Penny Fitzgerald: Oh, that's cool. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I see hardwood floors. We have some in Iowa, but here in, in Florida, it's not very common to see hardwood.

It just is, the humidity is just very, very good with [00:42:00] wood. That makes sense. Yeah, that totally makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. Lot of tile here and that sort of thing, but Oh gosh. I can just picture it very pretty. Oh gosh. Cammy, this has been so fun. I'm Oh, thank you. Grateful to meet you. It's been a pleasure. 

[00:42:14] Kami Guildner: Great to meet you as 

[00:42:15] Penny Fitzgerald: well.

Yeah. Okay. Last, last chance. Anything else you talk about? I'll also, 

[00:42:22] Kami Guildner: I think the last thing I'll close with is if you've got a dream that you're wanting to, you know, stand up, put your voice out in bigger ways. If you're being called right now to put your voice out in bigger ways, and I think a lot of women are, go do it.

Put your voice out. Find your, find your lane, put your message out. Oh. Because, um, we really need your voice right now. 

[00:42:41] Penny Fitzgerald: Yes, please. Oh, that's amazing. What a great, great way to close it off. Thank you. Thank you for having me, 

[00:42:47] Kami Guildner: penny. Isn't it so nice to meet you. Thank you, Kami. 

[00:42:49] Penny Fitzgerald: It's great to meet you and I appreciate your wisdom and what you've shared and it's been fun meeting a new friend.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Have a great rest of your day. You too. [00:43:00] 

[00:43:00] Audio Only - All Participants: Bye.