Reinvention, Confidence, & the Messy Middle with Angel Wilborn

Reinvention isn’t just about starting fresh—it’s about showing up, even when life feels messy.

This week, I’m joined by Angel Wilborn, the vibrant host of the GLOE podcast (God, Life, Organization, & Entrepreneurship). Angel recently rebranded her show and stepped into a new chapter with boldness and faith—and she’s here to share what that process really looked like.

Inside this conversation, we cover:

• The courage (and clarity) behind Angel’s rebrand
• Why women hold themselves back waiting for “perfect”
• Learning to see ourselves the way others do
• How to pivot with confidence when plans change
• Angel’s playful take on creating joy in business

Key Topics:

• Reinvention & confidence
• The messy middle of business and life
• Overcoming perfectionism & imposter syndrome
• Podcasting, PR, and creative support systems
• Finding joy, play, and accountability in your work

This one’s for anyone who’s been waiting for the “right time.” Angel reminds us the time is now.

Connect with Angel:

https://www.instagram.com/themodcosc/ 

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Reinvention, Confidence, & the Messy Middle with Angel Wilborn

This week I'm catching up with my friend Angel Wilborn, and she always brings so much energy and honesty to our conversations. Angel recently rebranded her podcast 

 we talk about what it really takes to pivot with confidence, handle the messy middle of life and business, and let go of that constant busy work trap we all fall into. If you've ever felt like quitting or like you're doing all the things without seeing results, you're gonna love Angel's perspective.

[00:01:00] And of course, we wrap it all up with a cocktail stick around. Here is Angel Wilburn.

[00:01:06] Penny Fitzgerald: what is new? I haven't seen you in a few months. I know. 

[00:01:09] Angel Wilborn: It has been, it has 

[00:01:11] Penny Fitzgerald: been 

[00:01:11] Angel Wilborn: quite a while, hasn't it?Um, I went back to work last week. 

I went back to work full time. Um, I don't know if I had started the podcast hub the last time that we talked or not. I think that's it. Okay. Maybe, I don't know. Something else might pop up to me later on. You know, you are a busy girl. 

[00:01:31] Penny Fitzgerald: What about you? What have you been up to? Oh gosh.

Um, well, summer things sounds fun. Lots of fun things. Um, wine camp is happening in about a week and a half. Yay. This is the one in Virginia. Yes. I'm so excited. Yay. Yes. So yeah, final preparations for that is in full swing right now. Okay. So exciting. And I'm, um, planning next year so that I can announce at this year's.

Yeah, 

[00:01:58] Angel Wilborn: yeah, that makes sense. [00:02:00] Okay. Oh, 

[00:02:00] Penny Fitzgerald: super fun. So that's been the majority of what I've been working on but then I've got, another, Iteration of my course, I'm gonna tweak it slightly and make it a little bit better. Okay. For, um, for this fall. So I'm gonna 

 Okay. Do a three day challenge or three day workshop with people and help them, stop selling, start serving. 

[00:02:18] Angel Wilborn: I love that. 

[00:02:19] Penny Fitzgerald: All the things. 

[00:02:21] Angel Wilborn: Yeah. Oh, and see, I knew I forgot something and I rebranded my podcast too. I knew. I was like, there's something else that I thought, so. Yeah. 

[00:02:27] Penny Fitzgerald: There we go. That one school. Yes. Okay. So you went to back, went to work full time. Went back. Mm-hmm. So what 

[00:02:34] Angel Wilborn: are you teaching? What are you doing? No, so I'm not teaching. So I was working at my son's school last year in the afterschool program and then I started off the summer actually working at a summer camp and, uh, teaching position.

Had a teaching assistant position, had actually came open and I applied for that. But then another position. Came open, um, and admin assistant position [00:03:00] came open. And that's more in like my wheelhouse and stuff like that. Um, it was basically what I had done at my other job that I had left last year that I had been at for five years.

So I applied for that job and I got that one and Yay. Congratulations. Thank you. So I'm still in the school, still getting good. My, my baby, my child. And then my other babies that I got to know, um, from doing after school. And then some of them were at the summer camp as well, 

 and they were all like, no, miss Angel, you're leaving us. I was like, I'll see you guys again in like six weeks. They was like, but it's not the same. I'll see you in six weeks. I may even see you sometimes when I come to pick up my child from summer camp.

'cause I gotta, I can't leave him here. So Yeah. I'm like, but it's just not right. Miss Angel. I'm like, oh, sorry guys. I promise I'll 

[00:03:53] Penny Fitzgerald: you, so yeah. Yeah. Six weeks to a little kid just seems like forever. 

[00:03:58] Angel Wilborn: It, it does, it does seem like [00:04:00] a very long time, but in reality it's not a long time because I mean, that was two weeks ago that I told them that.

I asked them and I was like, can you check on? I was like, can you check on my, um, my kids?

For me, I was like, can you check on my kindergartners and first graders for me, because they're in the, the camp has them in the grade that they were in the previous year, Uhhuh. And so my son was like, I have third grade business to attend to you. Be checking on your kindergartners and first graders. I said, oh, oh, excuse me.

Okay. I'm so sorry that I asked you just to tell them that I said hi, you know? Yeah. He was very serious about his third grade business, so, 

[00:04:41] Penny Fitzgerald: okay. Wow. Third grade business. That's big. It, 

[00:04:46] Angel Wilborn: it is. I don't know what's happening with this third grade business, but. Must be pretty juicy that she can't, you know, be like, my mom said it serious.

Oh yeah. It's Don't wanna hair. 

[00:04:56] Penny Fitzgerald: Yeah. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Well, and get ready for those [00:05:00] teenage years, huh? I guess. Okay, 

[00:05:03] Angel Wilborn: here we go. I'm not ready for it. Like, no, 

[00:05:04] Penny Fitzgerald: you've got time. 

[00:05:05] Angel Wilborn: And, and it's so weird because, so he'll be 10 in October and I keep seeing and hearing like all these things about like tween phases.

And so it's so weird because it's like he still wants to be babied, but then he'll go in his room for hours at a time and we're like, is the kid okay? Like, he think he hasn't talked to anyone. Like, is he good? And then we'll check on him. We're like, are you okay? And he's like, yeah, I'm fine. I'm like, okay, well you've been in that room for about four hours here, dude.

Like, are you gonna come out? Do you want to eat something? Like, no, I'm, I'm good. Okay. But then he comes and he's like, I need hugs and I need cuddles. And so it's just, Aww. It's like this weird, then he's like, okay, I'm going back to my room now. So you guys again, you know when I come out. Okay. I don't know what's happening, Penny.

So that's a transition. Yeah. I'm like, okay, he's not, he's still my baby, but he's not my baby and yeah. Yeah. So if [00:06:00] he's already hibernating in this room at nine, I don't know what it's gonna be. Yeah. 

[00:06:04] Penny Fitzgerald: 14. Well enjoy those times that he says he wants cuddles. That's Enjoy every second of those. 

[00:06:09] Angel Wilborn: Oh, I do. I'm like, yay.

I'm like, cuddles. He's like, can I have cuddles? I'm like, of course you can. Come on dude. 

[00:06:14] Penny Fitzgerald: Yeah, bring it in. Aw, fantastic. Thank you. Oh wow. Okay, so let's talk about the rebranding of your podcast. 'cause it's GLOE, 

[00:06:25] Angel Wilborn: right? GLOE. Yes. Glow. So it stands for God, Life, Organization, and Entrepreneurship. And then my tagline is, "Glow Boldly, Live Purposefully. So, um. I realized at the end of last year maybe that my show wasn't just about, because it started off as organization and entrepreneurship, and I realized at the end of last year that I was talking about more than just those two things. Like I was talking about life. I had people on there talking about like their faith journeys and about God and different things like that.[00:07:00] 

And the ModCo podcast wasn't really giving anything. Like people were like, oh, what's the show about? It didn't really tell people what it was, but as I think I've told you before, I just kind of named it on a whim because I don't wanna take the time to obsess over a name. And I was like, I want a name that when people are searching for it or when they pull it up, that they're not confused about what it is or what it is that I'm talking about on the show.

So I was having a coffee chat with someone and she said something, and that just immediately like popped into my head and I was like, what? Whoa. Yeah. I was like, God, life organization, entrepreneurship, because those are the things that I talk about. So I think I started working on the rebrand maybe February of this year, towards the end of February of this year.

And it was a bit of a quick turnaround because I wanted to, um, present it on the two year anniversary of my podcast, which was the 16th of April. 

[00:07:56] Penny Fitzgerald: Hmm. Nice. So I 

[00:07:57] Angel Wilborn: had probably about five or six weeks [00:08:00] maybe to, to do that, to, I already knew the name of it, but I wanted to change the colors of it and everything.

So I was researching colors, taglines, all of that fun stuff, and then trying to make myself a list of every place that I needed to change it from the Mod Co to glow. So then that was wow. A lot trying to do that. And I was gonna change my IG handle. But I was like, I don't have time for that right now.

I'll, I'll deal with that. You can get to that. Yeah. I was like, it's perfectly fine for now. But it was fun. It was exciting. I'm really happy about the change because I feel like it reflects more of what it is on the show, what it is that we're talking about. You know, if you're coming to the show, you're not just expecting organization or you're not just expecting entrepreneurship.

You're gonna hear about somebody's life. You're gonna hear about somebody's faith walk. You know, you're gonna hear about somebody's faith walk and how it worked into their organization, into their organ organizing skills, or into their entrepreneurship skills, [00:09:00] or. How, you know, their mommy life fits into mm-hmm.

And like all those, all those different things. So I'm, I'm happy about it. 

[00:09:09] Penny Fitzgerald: Nice. Wow. That's very cool. It, it fits perfectly. Thank you. You well, and you do glow. Thank you. It's just, you just have this light and this incredible energy and that's, uh, it's a really good brand. I think the, I, the whole packaging of it is just great.

I love it. 

[00:09:28] Angel Wilborn: Thank you Penny. I, I appreciate that. I really do. Yeah, for sure. About like, how it was going to be perceived and how people were going to take it. And I remember I went on threads and I, um, asked and I was like, has anybody ever rebranded? How did it jump? And then I. When I was in the process doing it right before it, I had had a mentorship with one of my favorite podcast hosts.

Um, she was doing mentorship calls and I had one with her and she's like, you know, you guys can reach out to me anytime. So, so I was like, Hey, I'm thinking about rebranding, like, what are [00:10:00] your thoughts on it? And she said, you know, you're still early enough in your show that if you wanna rebrand, you can.

She's like, well, make sure that you think long and hard about it. 'cause you don't want to keep rebranding. You want people to, to know who you are. And I was like, yeah, that makes sense. And so I really think that the rebrand has been better. I feel like it really has kind of shifted things a bit more and I don't regret it.

I am very, very happy that I did. That's cool. Yeah. Very. Oh, 

[00:10:27] Penny Fitzgerald: good for you. Yes. Well, and there's, there's a lot of, there are a lot of lessons in that. Like, first of all, I think people, women especially, we hold ourselves back because we're, we have all these imposter syndromes, all these, you know, these, um, limiting beliefs that hold us back.

Like, I don't wanna start something until it's perfect, you know? I don't wanna start something until I have it exactly laid out the way that I want it to. The way that it should be. And you don't necessarily know what it should be until you take some of those steps to test some things and see what lands and what works.[00:11:00] 

[00:11:00] Angel Wilborn: Exactly. And if you don't ever kind of step out of that comfort zone, then you're never gonna know what works. And we're also so scared of like failure and that we do this and we fail. What are people gonna say? What are people gonna think? And not realizing that nine times outta 10, nobody actually even cares.

They're not even paying attention. Exactly. Yeah. They're, yeah. They're so focused on their own failures that they're not used to think that, you know, you didn't, and we're, like you said, we're so hard on ourselves. And oftentimes we are doing great. Like we're putting in the work, we're doing things, but we don't see it.

And then other people see it and they're like, oh, you're doing wonderful. You know, you're doing great. This is wonderful in your life. What are you talking about? Like, no, like even the other day I thought my hair looked horrible. I was like, my hair looked horrible way. I wanted to, I was like, I'm so mad.

I'm just two seconds from chopping it all off again. My husband's like, your hair looks fine. He's like, I like it like [00:12:00] that. Leave me alone. Like, no, it doesn't, it doesn't look good. It looks horrible and I want to dye my hair. And so, um, I was talking to my cousins and they're like, well, what color do you wanna dye?

And I said, uh, I usually do red, but I wanna do something different. Like, I did red all throughout my thirties. That was kind of, um, when I turned 30 I was getting my hair done. My husband's like, you just always do black. He's like, I dare you to get another color. So red was like a color throughout my thirties and um, every year.

Around my birthday, and I always like either dye my hair red or I get like red hair extension. So I'm getting ready to turn 40 in January. So I was like, well, I wanna do something different. I was looking back for a picture and it was when my dye had actually faded out and I saw a picture and my hair looked right in that picture.

So I texted my husband, I was like, this is what my hair was supposed to look like this morning. Like, this is how I wanted it to come up. He is like, I think it looked way better this morning than it did in the picture.

But it's just that thing that, you know, others see it in us and we have to [00:13:00] start seeing it in ourselves and we have to start believing it for ourselves and being able to take a compliment, like to not. Mm-hmm.

Every time someone gives us a compliment, come back with something negative or come back with, oh no, you know, whatever, and kind of blowing it off. We have to learn to do that. 

[00:13:18] Penny Fitzgerald: Exactly. Accept things with grace. 

[00:13:21] Angel Wilborn: Yeah. Yes. That's it. 

[00:13:22] Penny Fitzgerald: With grace. Yeah, exactly. You know, it's just, it's, I think it's a woman thing.

I mean, some men too, but it just feels like we have a hard time taking compliments, believing that we're worthy, believing that we're beautiful or brilliant or strong or wise or whatever. It's hard to hear those things sometimes. 

[00:13:44] Angel Wilborn: Yes, it is. It is. And like I said, we're just, we're so hard on ourselves, like we make one little mistake and 

[00:13:50] Penny Fitzgerald: mm-hmm.

[00:13:51] Angel Wilborn: It's the end of the world for Yeah. So where keep you, you can fix it. 

[00:13:57] Penny Fitzgerald: Exactly. And it's just a test. It's just Right. Just a learning [00:14:00] thing and like that didn't feel good, so let's do something else. Or that didn't land well, my people didn't, it didn't serve my people, so let's try something else and 

[00:14:08] Angel Wilborn: Right.

And controlling what it is that you can control, you know, like Right. It's. F not freaking out about every little thing or you know, have your freak out about it and then be like, okay, how do I, how do I fix this? Like, instance, one of my issues that I was going through this morning was, as I said, I just started the new job and so I was trying to update my direct deposit and I updated it.

And so this morning I was like, well, I should have got paid and I didn't. And I was like, well, what's going on here? So I go and I check, and I had messed it up. When I entered it by one number, I left off one number for it.

 So I immediately, I started like freaking out and I was like going crazy. I was like, I need my money. Where's my money?

So there's nothing you can do about it. Like you can't, you made the mistake, 

So you just gotta take the proper steps for it. Then I also had to remind myself, okay, it's [00:15:00] Friday. You know, y'all are off on Friday. Uh, right. Oh, this is not gonna get rectified. And Monday, but I, I brought myself back and I was very. I was very proud of myself. Well, 

[00:15:09] Penny Fitzgerald: good.

[00:15:10] Angel Wilborn: So

yeah. You'll, it'll get figured out. 

We'll see. I, if I send you a message and be like, Hey, Penny, can you Venmo me some money? You know,

[00:15:20] Penny Fitzgerald: the bank of Fitzy.

Somebody's gonna be buying you a coffee. I know. 

[00:15:28] Angel Wilborn: I, I need it. 

[00:15:29] Penny Fitzgerald: Please, please. How was that, how was that going? You use, okay, so buy me a coffee is a tool that people can send. It's, it's almost like a Patreon, right? Yeah. 

[00:15:38] Angel Wilborn: It's like, it's like a Patreon. Um, I liked it one, because I thought the name was like, very fitting, buy me a coffee because I like coffee.

 so it's just a way that people can, and you're not actually buying me like a actual physical coffee. I'm not taking the money and going to like Dunkin' 

 But it's a platform that. Um, creators can use for people to support them. [00:16:00] So it goes for support to the show and you can do membership on it just like you can with, um, Patreon. You can sell things on it like your digital products and courses and stuff like that.

You can sell those on there as well. You can put like blog posts up on there. Um, pictures on there. I did a webinar one time and I sold the webinar through Buy Me a Coffee so you can do that. Um, like I said, I really like it. I think it's very simple to use. It's very easy to use. Um, it's fun, it's cute.

When someone buys me a coffee, it definitely goes right back into the podcast. It is set up to go straight into my business podcasting account and I use it to pay for my, um. Podcast host site to, you know, pay for if I can get editing, um, or a new tool that I may need for the podcast.

Like, I use it for that. And whenever someone buys me a coffee, they get an automatic thank you [00:17:00] message from me. And then also I give them a shout out on my Instagram and Facebook page as a thank you. I give 'em a shout out at the end of the, um, podcast epi at the end of a podcast episode.

 they immediately get the thank you on my social media pages. And then I also, on my email list every week to my email list, I send them out the new episode alert with the synopsis on it. So then I'll go back in and edit it and put it at the bottom like, thank you to such and such for buying me a coffee.

So 

[00:17:31] Penny Fitzgerald: nice. 

[00:17:32] Angel Wilborn: Yeah. Well, 

[00:17:33] Penny Fitzgerald: and it's a, it's a great way for. Your, your fans to support you. And a lot of people don't realize what all goes into a podcast that, you know, it's not free. 

[00:17:44] Angel Wilborn: No, not at all. Not, not at all. 

[00:17:46] Penny Fitzgerald: No, no. I mean, yeah, there's editing tools. There are, um, the hosting platforms. Yes. Yeah. And then all 

[00:17:56] Angel Wilborn: headphones.

Headphones, you know, all of that. [00:18:00] All of that stuff that goes, that goes into 

[00:18:02] Penny Fitzgerald: it. Yeah. 

[00:18:02] Angel Wilborn: It's a lot. 

 the thing that I like about buying a coffee is if you don't want to have that monthly membership, because a lot of people don't, and that's fine. But if you just happen to be listening to an episode, you're like, oh, hey, yeah, I wanna go buy her three coffees and I don't wanna have to worry about it automatically taking money out of my account each month.

And you can just go buy the three coffees. And that's, that's it. You know? That was your 

[00:18:23] Penny Fitzgerald: mm-hmm. 

[00:18:23] Angel Wilborn: Your support. So that was the thing that I liked about it as well. 

[00:18:26] Penny Fitzgerald: Mm, nice. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's cool. Because yeah, it's just, it, I know you're grateful for it. I'm grateful for all the support and Yeah. I don't use, buy me a coffee, but, um, do have digital products.

I do it the Sipper Club once a month and I, you know, have my retreats and stuff, so that's, I get a lot of support from my, my friends and wine lovers. 

[00:18:49] Angel Wilborn: Okay. Yeah, it's like, it, like I said, hosting a podcast, especially if you're an indie podcast. Host, you know, it's, you don't have the [00:19:00] producers, like when you listen to a lot of these bigger podcasts and they're like, I wanna thank the producer and I wanna thank the editor, and I wanna thank the, and I wanna thank the writer.

And well, I'm all of those things. I, I am, I'm doing it all. You know, I'm writing episodes, I'm trying to schedule 'em out. I'm trying to get the promos and stuff to exactly, to go along with them. It's, it's stressful and it takes a lot. And that's why whenever I do like, get enough from buy me a coffee to outsource my editing, I absolutely, I love it because it's so much easier.

You know, I don't know how long it takes her, but editing, editing is her thing. It's not my thing. So it could take me, you know, 30, 40 minutes to edit a 15 minute podcast episode. And then I'm over here trying to create a promo for it.

And then I'm over here also trying to write on my calendar, like I need to be an octopus with eight hands so that I can do all the things at once. 

[00:19:50] Penny Fitzgerald: Mm-hmm. 

[00:19:51] Angel Wilborn: Sure. That I heard it correctly or that it fits in.

So, and like I said, that's just a 15 minute episode where it's just me. Don't let it be a guest [00:20:00] episode. That could take me two hours. So, 

[00:20:03] Penny Fitzgerald: yeah. Yeah. It's, it, yeah. There's something to it. It really is. It, it, um, yeah. The, the actual interviews for me are just so much joy. I love talking with brilliant women like yourself.

[00:20:18] Angel Wilborn: Yeah. I, I love doing the interviews, but. Yeah. When it comes to editing them, I'm like, oh my goodness. And sometimes like some e some episodes are like really good. Like usually when I talk to you on an episode, there's not a lot of editing that I have to do or anything like that. But like sometimes I'll be doing interviews with people and I'm like, okay, I gotta remember to go back and get that.

 But some people you can just tell by the way the conversation is flowing and you know that you're like, okay, this is gonna be a easy peasy one to Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:20:46] Penny Fitzgerald: Well, yeah, and if you outsource that, then you don't have to, that it doesn't have to be your thought.

[00:20:50] Angel Wilborn: Mm-hmm. Then you can 

[00:20:51] Penny Fitzgerald: be fully present with who you're talking with and just let the conversation flow and get really curious and talk. Right? Yes. And listen, [00:21:00] without having all these thoughts going through your head about, oh my gosh, I gotta do this, this, and this, 

[00:21:04] Angel Wilborn: right? I gotta take this out. Or it's like, yeah, 

[00:21:06] Penny Fitzgerald: exactly.

[00:21:07] Angel Wilborn: Yeah. So 

[00:21:08] Penny Fitzgerald: it's a lot like, okay, have you heard that, um, you probably have the Snoop clip. I'd like to take a moment to thank me. 

[00:21:15] Angel Wilborn: Oh yeah. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, that's it. I'd like, I'm gonna start saying that at the end of my episodes and I would like to thank me for putting this episode together. Like thank, or either, I'm just gonna start being like, I like to thank the producer, angel.

I like to thank the editor Angel. I like thank the researcher. Angel, also. Angel. Yes. Also, also Angel. Maybe. You know what, maybe I'll give my, my roles different, um, different names or something. 

[00:21:41] Penny Fitzgerald: Personas. Yeah, yeah. 

[00:21:42] Angel Wilborn: Different, different names and different personas. So, uh, maybe that's something to, to think about there.

I might change the name of the editor to something else, the producer to some, you know, keep it a little fun there. That's fun. She could have different colored hair. Yes, she could. Different style styles. Yes. One can be kind [00:22:00] of sassy, one can be more. See, there we go. I'm gonna, I love that. To my, to my episodes.

I'm gonna think of some different names here, Penny. So welcome to my team. Meet my team and then like you said, just switch it out. Put on different color hair, different color glasses or something. 

[00:22:17] Penny Fitzgerald: Yeah. You know what? You could what? Use one of those AI thing tools to like create different hair colors and stuff.

[00:22:26] Angel Wilborn: Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. I was gonna do that or either. Oh no, I got rid of all my wigs. I was like, oh, I much wigs that I can put on. But I got rid of all my wigs. But, um, my son literally just asked me, he's like, why do you change your hair all the time? 'cause I had it just braided down, but they were sticking up, so I just took 'em out the braid right quick.

He's like, you changed your hair again. I'm like, please leave me alone. But yeah, I might actually, my sister-in-law's good with like taking pictures and stuff like that. So Uhhuh. I might have her come over and just like dress in different styles and come up with different names and then have her like, put the video together for me so I can put it on my, 

[00:22:57] Penny Fitzgerald: that'd be fun.

That would be, oh my gosh, [00:23:00] that sounds very playful too. And that's, I mean, I keep talking to, to people about how we, as we age, we lose our sense of play. Mm-hmm. We lose that creativity and that really, when you're creative in one area or play around with things that, that sparks your creativity in other areas and you become more able to.

Produce all this content and be helpful to people. 

[00:23:24] Angel Wilborn: Yeah, no, I think that that is a fun, cute idea. I'm gonna, I'm gonna do that. I wanna see those pics. You gotta gimme some time to get it together, Penny. I'm trying to Okay. 

[00:23:34] Penny Fitzgerald: All, Nope, no pressure. 

[00:23:36] Angel Wilborn: Things that I can, you can use, but yeah, it's gonna, I'm gonna make it happen.

[00:23:40] Penny Fitzgerald: Yeah. Okay. Okay. Be gimme a little nudge 

[00:23:41] Angel Wilborn: if it's been like a month and you haven't seen anything. Okay. Angel. Okay. So with those picks, like Yeah, 

[00:23:47] Penny Fitzgerald: it's good to have an accountability buddy. 

[00:23:50] Angel Wilborn: You, you need that in life. You really 

[00:23:52] Penny Fitzgerald: Exactly. You do. 

[00:23:53] Angel Wilborn: Yeah. 

[00:23:54] Penny Fitzgerald: Pro tip, get an accountability partner, partner 

[00:23:57] Angel Wilborn: in all aspects of, [00:24:00] of life, so.

Mm-hmm. It makes you, your accountability part. Partners gotta hold you accountable. 'cause I've had some accountability partners sometimes and I was like, Ooh, it's been like a couple weeks since I was like, where's my accountability partner? Right. Yeah. Like you, both of us can't be 

[00:24:12] Penny Fitzgerald: slacking. Somebody has to.

I know. It's like, okay, you got the accountability buddy on one side and then the partner in crime, 

[00:24:20] Angel Wilborn: they can't, they can't be the same person either. You Exactly. You, you need them separate, so 

[00:24:25] Penny Fitzgerald: you gotta know your people. 

[00:24:26] Angel Wilborn: Right. Maybe they, well, maybe they have different personas too, so There you go.

Switching back and forth too. You never know. Penny. 

[00:24:35] Penny Fitzgerald: Super fun. Oh my gosh. Okay. So getting back to your business. 

[00:24:40] Angel Wilborn: I forgot all about that. 

[00:24:41] Penny Fitzgerald: Oh, it's just fun. Fun to catch up. Yes. So, whoa. And are you doing other things too with the podcast? Like you're doing, like some of your PR stuff that you were doing? 

[00:24:54] Angel Wilborn: Um, so not as much with the podcast.

The PR stuff has kind of, [00:25:00] I feel like. Taken a back seat and, excuse me, and I'm kind of okay with that because it gives me a chance to more focus on the podcast. But I was telling you about the podcast hub, um, that I created with a podcaster that I met, um, on Threads. And so I do a lot of my PR type stuff in there.

So what the podcast hub is, is it is, um, a networking, um, it's a networking membership where you can go in there to find a guest, to be a guest. Um, we also offer trainings in there. So she's more of like systems and stuff like that, that different systems that she uses to create her podcast and make sure that she's like organized stuff in her podcast.

And I do more of the PR stuff, like how to write a good bio for, um, for a podcast episode or how to use your guest episodes to leverage PR for your business. Different things like that. So we do those, uh, we were doing them. [00:26:00] Each week we would switch off who would do a training, but now we're gonna go to once a month we do a monthly virtual networking event, um, called Mic Up and Mingle.

So we were doing those once a month. We've just started going to twice a month. I do mine on the second Tuesday, um, of the month at eight 30 Eastern time. She does hers on the fourth Wednesday of each month at, ooh. We just changed the time. I wanna say maybe three 30 PST time because she's in Washington.

So I think that might be right. I may be wrong, but I think that might be right. So we're doing the mic and Ming, we're also getting ready to do a, um, podcast summit at the end of July. And so the summit is free to attend. Um, you don't have to be a member of the podcast hub to do it. Um, you can sign up for it.

And attend the sessions and attend the trainings. And [00:27:00] when you sign up for it, you get a free, that's like your free trial inside of the podcast hub. And then also with the mic up and Mingle. You don't have to be a member of the hub either. You get a seven day free trial when you sign up to do the mic up and mingle.

So you can do it one time where are first just opening it up to like the community, to anyone and it was like, well let's do a free trial with it to kinda cut down on people who just want to come for the mic up and mingle and that's it. So you get your seven day free trial and then you can decide to join it if you want to.

But there's a lot of good information in there. We have a person in there who is our tech person. So if you have questions about like what might to use, what type of music, um, should I do, where can I go for this? We have that there inside of the hub as well. And we have different people in there. Um. Like one of the ladies who's gonna be speaking in the summit, she's gonna be talking about how you can use Pinterest for your podcast.

Um, we have [00:28:00] someone else in there that's gonna talk about virtual assistant, having a virtual assistant for podcasts. So we have all different types of people in there. We have marketing people in there, we have PR people in there, we have tech people in there, we have business coaches in there. All different kind of things in there that you can go to find a guest versus just scrolling on Facebook and putting it out there and being like, Hey, can someone then just kind of getting blown off type of thing.

So that's where most my PR skills are coming in at these days. 

[00:28:28] Penny Fitzgerald: Well, that's, that's big because a lot of people don't know how to, where to even start. 

[00:28:33] Angel Wilborn: Mm-hmm. 

[00:28:35] Penny Fitzgerald: Yeah. Is that virtual? It's all all via Zoom. Yeah, it's 

[00:28:38] Angel Wilborn: all, it's all, it's all online. Everything is online. Um, the platform that we use is called Circle, I believe.

Um, okay. And so, yeah, so everything is online right now. The membership is 

$15 a month or $150 a year. So, so now it's time you get in and join that. But yeah, everything is [00:29:00] online. 

and it has an app for it, so you can do it from your phone, your computer. Wow. Yeah. Wherever you feel comfortable doing it at. 

[00:29:07] Penny Fitzgerald: Nice. For, and, uh, for podcasters only, or is it for like other like businesses or entrepreneurs?

[00:29:15] Angel Wilborn: It's for anybody. Like if you, you don't have to have a podcast to be in it. So there are people in it who just want to be guests on podcasts. Okay. So you can, so you can join it and you just type in the be a guest section. Like, Hey, this is what I do. Um, I'm a, I'm a life coach. and I talk to people about the five things they need to be, that they need to have to be great in life or something like that.

I'm looking to be a guest on podcasts, so you can put that in there as well. We don't do, like now, we don't do like podcast promoters or like, um, people in there pitching for other people. So if you have someone who pitches for you, then no, that's not off. You're pitching for yourself. That's perfectly fine.

If you're looking for yourself, [00:30:00] that's fine, but you can't have someone in there doing it on your behalf. And then there's no selling inside of the group, so there's no, Hey, I'm a life coach. Mm-hmm. I'm in here because I wanna sell my services. Absolutely not. If you're in there, you're in there because you're either want to be a guest, you need a guest, or it's, or it's both of 'em.

Or even if you're someone who's like, I'm thinking about starting a podcast, but, um, not sure. Like, this is a great place to come in because it's such a, such a low price that it's a great place to come in and get that information about the technical side of it, to get that information about how to get your podcast organized, how to use your podcast, how to use your podcast as pr leverage to kind of get those inside things without having to spend hours Googling it or putting questions out there in different groups and stuff like that.

And then when you do get comfortable, if you wanna say, okay, I, I, I think I wanna start a podcast, but maybe I wanna test the waters with [00:31:00] being a guest first. Okay. You can put yourself out there now to be a guest. So. 

[00:31:05] Penny Fitzgerald: Nice. Yeah. Well, and you and I have both, we've been on both sides of the microphone or both sides of the, of the, of the aisle there.

Do you have a preference of being a guest or being a host? 

[00:31:18] Angel Wilborn: Um, Penny. It honestly, it depends on the mood that I'm in. Like, it just honestly depends on how I'm feeling at that time. Um, sometimes I'm like, oh yes, I would just much rather be a guest because it's easier and I don't have to prep anything and all I have to do is come on and hit record and, and go for it.

And then other times I'm like, no, I think I'd just rather, I'm, I'm in my hosting mode today. I'd rather be, I'd rather be the host of it. So it just, honestly, it depends. How about 

[00:31:50] Penny Fitzgerald: you? Fun. That's so interesting. 'cause I feel like. I, I really prefer being a host and getting super curious and just having a conversation and [00:32:00] asking you and other women, you know, what are you doing and how is that working for you?

And just getting really, you know, digging in deeper on what challenges are you facing and how are you overcoming those and what did you think about this? For me, that's comfortable and flows really naturally. Yeah. Being a guest, you know, what do, what do your guests, or what are your people that listen to your show need from me?

Mm-hmm. How can I serve them? And I get up all up in my head, like, you know, and overthink it. Yeah. Is one of my traits, one of my things. So, you know, I just really, um, need to just let the conversation flow from my side of it too, and just answer the questions and be, just serve from the heart, you know?

[00:32:44] Angel Wilborn: Right. Yeah. No, that, that makes sense too. I feel like, like, so I. As a host, I'll try to prepare my guest for, you know, coming on the show. Like I have 'em fill out the application. and then I'll pull like questions from their application to kind of like, [00:33:00] oh, cool. Now, like with you, I think I did that your first time on the show, but you've been on the show like three or four times, so I no longer do that.

Like after you, unless you're coming on, like when I first started, if you were coming on specifically to talk about organization for one episode and then entrepreneurship for another episode. Oh, 

[00:33:19] Penny Fitzgerald: Uhhuh. 

[00:33:20] Angel Wilborn: Then I'd have two separate questions for that, but like, kind of how you came on, you know, I think you were just maybe talking about like the entrepreneur side first.

Um, at first. So that was just my questions that I had for you. And then when you come back again, it's like, okay, like kind of how we're doing now. Let's catch up. What's going on in life? Like, what's happening? What are your new things or, oh. I remember the last time we talked, you were doing this, or I saw on social media that you have this coming up.

Tell me about it. So that's kind of how I flow with it from there. But if you're a first time person on the show, then I have those questions that I send over to you to be like, Hey, here's what you said on your application. Here's kind of what I'm looking for. Like, these are the things that we're gonna talk about.

We may hit all of 'em. We [00:34:00] may not hit all of 'em. If we do, great, if we don't, you know, that's, that's great too. And so to kind of prepare people, because I'm like that too. I'm a bit of, and not a bit of, I am an overthinker and I'm like, okay, do, what are we supposed to be talking about here? What are we supposed to be saying?

And even if it doesn't completely flow with what you sent me over, just gimme something to prepare myself so that I can have time to kind of think about it and not just be on the spot and be like, uh, I don't, I don't know. So. 

[00:34:30] Penny Fitzgerald: Oh, interesting. Yeah. 'cause I've had some guests, um. You know, they'll ask me, okay, what are you gonna ask me?

Or, here are some questions you can ask me. 

[00:34:39] Angel Wilborn: Yeah. I'm like, okay, thanks for that, but I'm, I'm not gonna use it. So yeah. I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna use it. Like, no, I'm gonna do what they, and that's fine too. Like, because there, I have gone on some shows where people are like, this is completely off the cuff.

Like, I'm not sending you questions in advance. We're just gonna go with the flow of things. And I'm okay with that too, because I've already prepared for it in my, in my [00:35:00] mind that we're gonna go off the cuff. There are mm-hmm. No questions in advance. And that kind of helps with my overthinking a little bit if Yeah.

But I just like to know as a guest what I'm walking into. 

[00:35:12] Penny Fitzgerald: Oh, yeah. 

[00:35:13] Angel Wilborn: See if, if you're not gonna gimme questions, that's fine, but. If we're gonna go off the cuff, like, that's perfectly fine, but just let me know that we're gonna 

[00:35:19] Penny Fitzgerald: Oh, interesting. Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:35:21] Angel Wilborn: Let me know what that's what, that's what we're gonna do, 

[00:35:23] Penny Fitzgerald: but, yeah.

Well, and I tell my guests, you know, I, I wanna have a conversation with brilliant women and want to, you know, ask you about your struggles and, you know, just have a conversation about what are you doing and what lights you up about it, what do you love about it? How do you serve your people? What challenges are you facing?

And how do you overcome those and have just about your journey in business and in life. And then, um, I always tell them the only, the only really canned question that I give people or that I always ask is at the end, and, you know, I wanna bring it back to cocktails. Yeah. Yeah. I know that question very well.

Yeah. [00:36:00] We'll, we'll get to that in just a second. Okay. Yeah. 'cause it just, you know, kind of wraps it up and has, and we end on something super fun and well, and the whole conversation is super fun. Right. But, you know, and sometimes my guests are challenged with things and it can get a little bit. Awkward. Not, not necessarily awkward, but it's very deep.

You know, you're, you're feeling really some heartfelt things that, you know, you may be going through, um, struggles in your business or in your life that we'd get into or, um, you know, talk about a little bit more in depth. But, uh, those are the real things that happen, you know? Yeah. it's not all roses and it's not all, oh yeah.

Everything's going great. 

[00:36:38] Angel Wilborn: Yeah, no, it's, it's, it's definitely, no, not at all. It's the, it is the truth and be honest about it. Like you say, everything's great. Everything's not gonna always go great. And that's what I think I like a more about like indie podcast, um, is that that's the stuff that we talk about.

[00:36:57] Penny Fitzgerald: Yeah. Yeah. Real life things. [00:37:00] Yes. Well, and those struggles, they make the sweet spots feel even better. You 

[00:37:06] Angel Wilborn: know? They do. They, they, they do. It's always nice to, it's always nice when there's something that you've like been praying for, you know, looking for, for when you finally see it come back like full circle and you're like, oh dear, this was the moment that I was praying for.

Like, this is what I've been waiting for and hoping for. And boom, it's here and it's better than what I could have ever expected, you know? So that makes it all good. And then usually I'll go back and I'll be like, oh, I was over here stressing about nothing, and I was over here mad and usually all this absolutely nothing.

That's why I said this morning, like with the paycheck. I could have sat here and stressed all day. I could have been like, Penny, I can't meet with you right now because I gotta figure this out. But mm. There's literally nothing that I can do about it. My hands are tied, so I'm not gonna sit here and let it consume my day and let it stop me from, [00:38:00] yeah.

And I think that that's something that I know that, that's something that I've struggled with is that I don't have patience a lot of times wanting to, to have patience and just to let go of control of stuff. 

[00:38:13] Penny Fitzgerald: Yeah. You have to. Yeah. Yeah. That's, um, one of the things I've learned.

A hard lesson. The only way you lose anything is when you quit. 

[00:38:24] Angel Wilborn: Right. That's the 

[00:38:24] Penny Fitzgerald: only guaranteed lose is quitting, 

[00:38:28] Angel Wilborn: right? It is, it is. And you know, sometimes you don't have to quit things. You may just have to readjust some, some things, like I was talking to another podcast host and she just had a baby and she's like, I don't wanna quit my podcast, but I'm gonna have to readjust something.

She said, maybe instead of doing every week, I might have to go down to twice a month. She's like, or maybe even once a month. maybe doing two and seeing how, how that goes, or maybe [00:39:00] breaking it down into seasons instead of just going the whole year round.

Like usually I'll take. A summer month off, and I'll take December off, but I was like maybe breaking it down into seasons instead of just those two months. You know, just, you have to figure out what works for you. And so often we feel like quitting is just the easier thing to do, but it's really not because then when you quit, you never know how far you could have gone or where you could have made it to.

And so instead of quitting, like try readjusting it. Like, okay, well instead of doing this five times a week, can I drop it down to three times a week? Would that make more sense for me and be better for me? You just have to kind of think about those type of things. And I mean, if quitting works for you, if that's what you really need to do, then by all means do it.

But try if you can. Try to use it as the absolute last way out of it. 

[00:39:53] Penny Fitzgerald: Exactly, yeah. You never know how close you are to just breaking through and making it. To where you [00:40:00] wanted to go, what you were hoping for all along. 

[00:40:02] Angel Wilborn: Exactly. 

[00:40:04] Penny Fitzgerald: Well, yeah, and the adjustment is so wise to just, you know, take a step back, take a breather before it gets so bad that you have no other option but to quit.

You know? I mean, sometimes you push, push, push and that hustle mentality, it just does not work. 

[00:40:20] Angel Wilborn: It doesn't, it doesn't, for women 

[00:40:21] Penny Fitzgerald: especially, I mean, we've got, we have too much heart to be, pushing through the struggles and, and doing it alone and thinking we can figure it all out, which we could, but yeah, we definitely could.

[00:40:34] Angel Wilborn: But why stress yourself out and why 

[00:40:36] Penny Fitzgerald: burn yourself? You don't have to. 

[00:40:37] Angel Wilborn: No, you don't. And that's something else that I've been trying to be more conscious of lately and doing is like just taking a step back and taking a break and being like, oh, okay, it'll get done. Like I'll, there used to be times that.

I, and I may have told you before that I felt like I had to be doing something that if I wasn't doing something for my business or my podcast and I was failing and everything was just going to [00:41:00] crumble, and then I finally realized that I'm like, I'm sitting in front of my computer and I'm creating busy work for myself, which then in turn takes me way off the path of what I'm supposed to be doing.

Like I'll have my list out of things that I'm supposed to do and things I'm supposed to be working on. And then if I'm caught up on my list, I'm like, well, I need to be doing something. I'm just sitting here not doing anything, and I, I need to be working on something. So then I go off and I create something else.

And then after I spend three or four hours creating it, I'm just like, why? I don't even need this. Like, I don't, I'm not gonna do anything with it. This is not what I wanted. This does not flow with what it is that I'm trying to do. 

But now that time is gone and I'm like, that's time that I could have been going out to play pickleball with my son and son and my husband. Or I could have been going to the gym or sitting down, chilling. And so I've really gotten to the point where I'm like, I'm sitting here.

I'm doing nothing. There's nothing on my list. I don't need to make anything for my list. Why am I sitting here if I [00:42:00] want to? if I wanna watch tv, I can just go watch tv.

 or whatever. Like it's fine. Or I'm like, oh, I can go do my nails or whatever it is. So just realizing that you don't always have to do something. Your to-do list does not always have to be to doing. It's perfectly fine to have an empty to-do list. It. It really is. 

[00:42:19] Penny Fitzgerald: Yeah. Wow. That's, that's powerful.

And to recognize that you're doing busy work, just to be doing something is really huge too. It's, yeah. It's another mechanism that keeps us safe, like busyness. Like if you're too busy to get to your big goals or to actually serving people or to, to something that makes you feel a little bit uncomfortable, if you're too busy to do that, you're not growing.

[00:42:41] Angel Wilborn: No, you're not. You're not. And if you're sitting there and you're realizing that the stuff that you're doing, it's not helping you grow, it's not, 

[00:42:46] Penny Fitzgerald: mm-hmm. 

[00:42:47] Angel Wilborn: It's not doing anything for you, then stop it. Like, yeah, stop. Why are you sitting there? You don't need 35 different IG templates. Create a couple and [00:43:00] go for it.

You know? I took a hard look and I was like, 'cause for my episodes, for promos, I used to have like four promos a week or something like that.

I would do like new episode Wednesday, audiogram Tuesday. Mm-hmm. I think I did something on like that Friday and be like, oh, in case you missed the episode, blah, blah. And I'm doing that for every episode for every person. And I was like, this isn't doing anything. Like it's not helping. It's not helping anything.

Like the analytics on it don't look good. I'm not getting any new people listening to the show from doing this. So why am I sitting here stressing myself out trying to create all of this every So now. For my new episode, it's just simply the audiogram, like sneak peek of, hey, this is the audiogram of what we're gonna talk about on the show, 45 to 60 seconds.

And then I tweak the caption like, Hey, on today's episode I talked to Penny and this is what we talked about. Go check it out now on your favorite, on your favorite app. Then I post the same thing on threads. [00:44:00] I may tweak it because of the character limit or whatever, but just finally realizing to use that one piece of content over, over multiple things and stop trying to do what works for you.

Don't do what? People are telling you to do or people are saying, oh, this worked for me, this worked for me. Did it really work for them? Or are they just saying that? Because that's what they were told to do. And I think that, I know for me, that's something that I struggle with a lot is that people are like, you have a podcast.

You have to consistently be putting yourself out there every day. You have to have it in people's faces every day. I don't have time for that. That stressed me out, that frustrated me. It made me want to cry and it drove me crazy. That didn't work for me. It may work for the next person. Like, and I tried it, you know, being consistent, and that's when it finally clicked.

I was like, I've been consistently doing this pretty much since I started podcasting and it's not helping anything. So why am I driving myself crazy trying to put out three or four posts per [00:45:00] week about one episode on, you know, the same platform when it hasn't, when it's proven over the past year that it hasn't worked for me.

 My email newsletter, I was doing that once a week. I just recently dropped it down to once a month I'm looking at my analytics. Nobody's clicking on my links, nobody's responding back to the emails when my CTA is to, Hey, reply back, reply back and let me know, you know, how this is going republic, and let me know what you thought of this episode.

People aren't responding to that, so why am I killing myself trying to make these newsletters every week to go out on Sunday when it's not doing what I wanted to do? And I, I can see that I didn't just try it for a month and be like, okay, nothing happened. I tried it for, you know, six months, seven months, it wasn't working.

Let's retweak this and see what else we can do on, how can I still get my message out, but save myself time and not burn myself out and not get frustrated with myself because I'm constantly creating this and nobody's paying it any attention. 

[00:45:59] Penny Fitzgerald: [00:46:00] Yeah. Well, and things you said there that were super important.

You checked your analytics, you were, look, you made your decision based on what's working, what's not based on data. Not just your gut feel like, oh, I hate doing this, right. I'm not gonna do it anymore. So that was super cool, 

 it's a test, so you're like putting one foot in front of the other and you're trying new things and Right. Checking the analytics to see what's working, what's not. So that's, I think those are big keys there. 

[00:46:25] Angel Wilborn: It is. It definitely is.

Because like I said, what works for you might not work for me. What works for me might not work for you And mm-hmm. We get caught up on, well, Penny said this worked for her and this is how she got 3000 downloads on one episode. So let me go. I'll do that. Penny's audience is different than your Right. Your audience, you know, you don't know how Penny got three, Penny could have paid for those 3000 downloads.

Not saying that you did that, but you know, you that like, oh, 

[00:46:50] Penny Fitzgerald: I definitely didn't 

[00:46:53] Angel Wilborn: like people don't take that into consideration or think about it. And you know, again, it's like, it's [00:47:00] like dieting and working out just because somebody else cut out sugars and they lost 10 pounds. Yeah. That doesn't mean that you cut out sugars and you're gonna lose 10 pounds.

 we've gotta stop with the comparison. Like, it's fine to talk to other people and be like, oh, hey, I see you lost 10 pounds. Well how did what? What did you do to lose 10 pounds? Or, Hey,I heard that you said you got 3000 downloads on your episode.

Well, what did you do to get those 3000 downloads on your episode? I. Okay. And then tweak it to make it your own. Like make it yours. Make it what's going to resonate with your audience. What's not going to burn you out or stress you out or make you go crazy doing it. Like you can't take their exact same, you can't take their exact same formula.

You have to, you have to move it. Exactly. It's like that they say with, you know, you go in the grocery store and you see 50 different brands of bread. Well, they don't all have the same recipe. They may all have the same base recipe, but then they tweaked it to what works for them and what their consumers want to taste.

So that's what you have [00:48:00] to do. 

[00:48:00] Penny Fitzgerald: Yeah. Test, test one thing at a time and then go from the data and 

[00:48:04] Angel Wilborn: Yes. 

[00:48:04] Penny Fitzgerald: Keep, keep going, keep testing. 

[00:48:07] Angel Wilborn: Yes. And like Penny said, one thing at a time, don't, and, and I, I'm guilty of this too, so I'm not judging, don't go out and try to test 10 new things at once. You, you won't know which worked.

Yeah. You, you definitely won't know which one works because I have done that before as well. I have tried to test 10 different things at one time and I'm, then I get. Frustrating. Even if the, even if it's the same thing, like with the audiograms. So now I do my audiograms and I put them on Instagram and I started uploading, loading them on YouTube.

YouTube was something new for me, so I'm testing that out to see how that goes. Then I'll build on it. 

I was trying to do it everywhere, and then I'd forget, or I would get tired 

 and then I would forget to go and look and see. Well, which one's actually working? Did it work on Buy me a coffee? Did it work on YouTube? So, mm-hmm. Now, okay, let's try it with YouTube. Let's see how it goes from there. Then next we'll go back to buy me a coffee. But I was trying to do all the things, create blog posts [00:49:00] for it.

'cause people are like, some people like written form, you need to create a blog post. Mm-hmm. Just talking about it, it's stressing me out and, oh gosh. And making you know what? And making me need a nap, Penny. So, oh, I'm sorry. No, but I'm just saying like, if just talking about it is frustrating, you can only imagine how it was like trying to do it.

So definitely taking that, that one thing at a time, and again, I know it's hard when you're a solopreneur or you know, a solo podcaster, it is really hard because you want that, you're like, you're waiting for it. But podcasting and business, it's the long game. Like it's mm-hmm. It's not the, it's not the short game, it's, it's the long game.

 Keep the faith, keep working. I mean, I quit probably once a day, sometimes twice a day, maybe more, depending on how I'm feeling. But then I get right back to it. Like my family has learned to ignore me when I'd be like, I quit. And they're like, oh, okay. No, you didn't.

You know, like whatever. 

I didn't really mean it. like when I say ow all the [00:50:00] time, I'm always like bumping into something or something like that. So I'll be like, ow. Everybody knows now unless I start like boohoo crying or something. 

[00:50:07] Penny Fitzgerald: Real tears. 

[00:50:08] Angel Wilborn: Yeah, real, real tears. Like, don't, don't pay me any attention whatsoever.

[00:50:14] Penny Fitzgerald: Oh gosh. Well, okay, so the, the things that you have tested and that you have learned work. Through the analytics, those things. Some of them you can automate, or once you get to the point where you know that they're working, then find the automation for 'em. So that'll help you and well anyone, um, not burn out so quickly too.

[00:50:36] Angel Wilborn: Yes, and I like, I actually did, I started that Penny. I don't know if you're on Threads now, but I am so freaking proud of myself, Penny, because when I finally realized what was working and not working, I, yeah, we have all of my, um, podcast edit and scheduled for the whole third quarter. Everything's edit scheduled.

It is sitting. Look at you, just waiting [00:51:00] to, to, to go out when it's time to go out. Not only that, I also have all of the promos, the new episode, audiogram promos scheduled, ready to go out, have all wow, all the audiograms on YouTube scheduled, ready to go out. All of my, um. New episode Wednesday, emails scheduled or ready to go out all the way through.

Wow. Penny, I am so proud of myself. I'm 

[00:51:23] Penny Fitzgerald: proud of you. 

[00:51:25] Angel Wilborn: Thank you. And I did it. One thing at a time. 

 and I feel so nice and relax. Oh, I can start planning for the fourth quarter now and what I wanna do, but I can give myself that little bit of breather.

But I did it all at one time. I was like, okay, everything that I can schedule in Canva, I'm going to go into Canva and schedule it. Once I did that, I was like, okay, everything I can schedule on YouTube, I'm gonna go ahead and schedule it in YouTube now. And I did it like that and it made it easier and I didn't try to sit down all in one day.

[00:51:56] Penny Fitzgerald: Two. 

[00:51:57] Angel Wilborn: So 

[00:51:58] Penny Fitzgerald: yeah. Nice. Good [00:52:00] tips. Thank you. And congratulations. That's a big accomplishment. 

[00:52:04] Angel Wilborn: Thank you, Penny. I patted myself on the back and I'm happy dancing. I was like, that is a very, and I was like super excited. 

[00:52:14] Penny Fitzgerald: Woohoo. Yes. Nice. Yes, yes. Okay, so that brings me to our fun question. did you have a cocktail to celebrate? What's your current cocktail?

[00:52:25] Angel Wilborn: so. My cousin told me, I don't know if you've ever heard about these. They're called green tea Shots. Um, first of all, there's no, there's no green tea in them, but it's just because of the color. It's um, so one of 'em, they have a lemon drop. They have a lemon drop one that's just lemon drop, but that, um, has vodka.

And I'm not a big fan of vodka. The shot wasn't, it wasn't bad, but after I had it, I was like, this is why I don't drink vodka. But the green tea one is, um, whiskey peach and something else, and it comes in a bag, I think it's like eight of 'em in a [00:53:00] little bag that they, um, come in and they're already in like the little cups that you like the pre-mixed thing?

Yeah, the pre, yeah. So those have been good. So I think I had a green tea shot afterwards, but I did just recently, um, I did mix some, um. Some stuff together. So I had some margarita mix leftover. It was like just a little corner of the margarita mix, like not enough to make an actual drink out of.

And then I also had some, um, some sour mix and I had some mini bottles of tequila and. I don't know if I use Grenadine or peach syrup. You can use either one of 'em. So I took the margarita bottle that I had poured the mini bottles of tequila that I had, and I think I had like four or five of the mini bottles of tequila poured those in there, mixed some of the sour mix in there.

And then I did either the Grenadine or the peach. I can, I honestly can't remember which one, but like I said, just your preference, whatever kind of flavor you want for it, and shook the bottle up. And so now I had that as [00:54:00] my, now it's in my fridge. And then, but I did have to write on there. I was like, this is a mixed drinks.

Yeah. So I wouldn't forget that. You know, it's not just plain margarita mix and Yeah, and add more. Yeah, add and add more to it or so that my mom doesn't like come visit and be like, oh, you have margarita mix. Let me make a little bit of it. And then sleep for three days because the lightweight. So yes, I did that and it was actually, it was good.

It sounds delicious. It was. It was good. So what should we call that? Penny. You're, you're better at coming up with the well names than I am. 

[00:54:33] Penny Fitzgerald: We already have Angel's Brew. So this is Brew. And then I had a, 

[00:54:37] Angel Wilborn: another one, I can't remember what my other one was that we named. 

[00:54:40] Penny Fitzgerald: Yeah, 

[00:54:41] Angel Wilborn: so 

[00:54:42] Penny Fitzgerald: I don't remember either.

I'll have to go back and listen to the episode again. 

[00:54:44] Angel Wilborn: Yeah. Um, sour Margarita. 

[00:54:47] Penny Fitzgerald: Angel's Wings. 

[00:54:48] Angel Wilborn: Angel's Wings. Angel Sour. Um, yeah. Angel. Sour Wings. Yeah. Angel. I love it. Angel Sour Wings. 

[00:54:56] Penny Fitzgerald: Yes. There we 

[00:54:57] Angel Wilborn: go. See, I knew you would come up with a name for it. [00:55:00] Well, 

[00:55:00] Penny Fitzgerald: we, we put our heads together. We get it 

[00:55:03] Angel Wilborn: right. We, we figured it out there.

So that's what I had, but 

[00:55:08] Penny Fitzgerald: yeah. 

[00:55:09] Angel Wilborn: Oh my gosh. It's so good to catch up with you. It is Penny. It is so wonderful. Thank you so much as always for, for having me. Having Thank you. I have to have you back again. Once I figure out my life for the fourth quarter, I will definitely be reaching out to you so that I can Sounds 

[00:55:22] Penny Fitzgerald: great.

[00:55:23] Angel Wilborn: Be back on because I need. All of my wine tips and Yeah. Well, for holiday season, that'll be perfect timing. Oh, yeah. Oh, it will be.Yes, we can get this figured out.

[00:55:34] Penny Fitzgerald: Okay. Okay. And then, um, you, do you have a new trailer that I can publish for my people to hear your trailer for your 

[00:55:42] Angel Wilborn: podcast? Yes. I'll, you, I can, yes, I do. I can send it over to you. 

[00:55:44] Penny Fitzgerald: Cool. 

[00:55:45] Angel Wilborn: Yeah, I'll send it. Yeah,

[00:55:46] Penny Fitzgerald: I've got a new trailer for mine as well. 

[00:55:47] Angel Wilborn: Okay. Yeah. And send it over to me and I'll get that on my show as well, you know. 

[00:55:51] Penny Fitzgerald: Cool. 

[00:55:52] Angel Wilborn: Help each other out. Women. I love that. That's what it's all about. And you're not takingaway from yourself by supporting anyone else, so [00:56:00] 

[00:56:00] Penny Fitzgerald: no 

[00:56:00] Angel Wilborn: women supporting women.

[00:56:01] Penny Fitzgerald: Yes. So, yeah, I'll, yes, it's not a pie. 

[00:56:04] Angel Wilborn: It's, it's not. 

[00:56:05] Penny Fitzgerald: Oh, angel, thank you so much. 

[00:56:07] Angel Wilborn: You are welcome. And thank you.

It's always so much fun talking to you. I love chatting with you. 

[00:56:10] Penny Fitzgerald: Me too. Yeah. Have a great rest of your day. Hope everything works out great with the bank. 

[00:56:16] Angel Wilborn: Yes, soon. Yeah, It'll, it'll be fine.

And then have to, it'll be fine. 9-year-old boys this afternoon, so this evening. Oh yeah. That'll be a a good distraction. Hopefully my husband will be home by the end. Even he can 

[00:56:27] Penny Fitzgerald: help 

[00:56:28] Angel Wilborn: boys. You take 'em, 

[00:56:29] Penny Fitzgerald: they have their third grade issues to deal with. 

[00:56:32] Angel Wilborn: Ex you know, I don't wanna get involved in third grade business here, so I'm just gonna Yeah, your business.

Yeah, I'm give 'em some pizza and step away from it. Penny

fun. Enjoy the rest of your afternoon as well. Thank you. I'll see you soon. Hopefully. Yeah, see you soon. Definitely. Alright, bye. Bye.