The Dark Truth Behind the New Government UFO Releases - Part Two

Dr. Simeon Hein joins us for a detailed UFO discussion, part two of our series exploring unexplained aerial phenomena. Learn about his research perspective on these sightings.

This conversation continues our series, UFO's Another Look, where we examine the evidence surrounding unidentified flying objects. If you have been following the broader topic of UFO sightings, this episode provides a focused dialogue between two experts analyzing the current state of ufology and data collection.

We break down specific aspects of Dr. Simeon Hein's work regarding anomalous aerial activity. By watching this discussion, you will gain a clearer understanding of how researchers approach the study of UFOs and the methodologies they employ to document these events.

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Transcript

The Cost Of Being Wrong

SPEAKER_00 0:56

And the more they do that, I I don't see them doing that because the more they do that, the more we're not gonna believe them.

SPEAKER_02 1:04

Right? Yeah. That's what would happen. They're gonna say the Weaver report was BS, and then they're not gonna want to do that because they're gonna say, well, maybe your BS. I mean, where does the BS

Type One Vs Type Two Errors

SPEAKER_02 1:15

stop? That's what we're talking about here.

SPEAKER_00 1:18

I mean, they're better off looking negligent and stupid, saying, well, at the level of our understanding, we did an investigation and that's what we came to. We now know more about the world than we do before, and now we reach a different result. That's the answer you're gonna get. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:32

But again, going back to my training as a statistician, you can err too much in being too gullible and believing results that aren't statistically significant that you can show are spurious. The other danger is if you discard too much data, you end up committing what we call a type two error in statistics, which I'm sure you're familiar with, Steve, at an intuitive level. It's where something is really going on and you're not paying attention. You're blind to the new data. That's the type two error. The type one error is you're too gullible, you're believing a study that was just random or spurious results. The other side of the dial is something's really going on and you're not paying attention, and the temperature is rising, and you're not getting out of the pot quick enough as the water boils. So if we if we keep pushing it away and we say we want to just be dumb about this and it's going to make the government look bad, the fact that we were negligent this whole time, we were deliberately misleading people and abusing the witnesses and threatening people. If you want to ignore that side and just let it go away, you're ignoring what the Spielberg Disclosure Day movie is saying. Right. At some level, is that in people around the world, some experience is building up. And they might start communicating with each other in a new way that could lead to the rise of new structures and institutions spontaneously, the way nature likes to communicate and spontaneously build self-organizing systems and fractals and the other stuff that I've been studying over the years. Did nature going back to another Spielberg movie, uh Jurassic Park, if I'm not mistaken, the what was it? The scientist character says nature finds a way.

SPEAKER_00 3:23

Remember that Jeff Coblem? It's like water moves to its, you know, he was a lawyer. Water moves and it goes where it wants.

SPEAKER_02 3:33

In the wet. You find water finds a way. I learned this as a teenager camping out. Water finds a way to get in your tent. Okay. It comes from above. If you block it from above, it can soak through below. And that's what I'm saying is going on here. You got to do something. You can't just deny it forever because on the other side the water level is beginning to slowly rise. And as a remote viewing teacher for 30 years, I can tell you, people are evolving. It's easier to teach remote viewing than it was 30 years ago. I don't know why that's true. There's some sort of effect. Hundredth monkey. Take your pick what that is. But people are changing.

SPEAKER_00 4:17

Hundredth monkey.

SPEAKER_02 4:19

Hundredth monkey syndrome. You know, that you know that famous fable. I don't even know if it's true. There was

Water Finds A Way

SPEAKER_02 4:25

this story we've been told, maybe it really is. Someone could check that there was this island in Japan, and then some of the monkeys started washing their potatoes in the water. One did one day, and it started to spread throughout that particular group. But then monkeys on other islands started to do it too. This could be fictional, but it was the idea that there's a morphological effect of change, of social change that affects there's no question.

SPEAKER_00 4:53

All they have to do is look at f fashion, right? Donna Karen creates a black dress, all of a sudden everybody's wearing black dresses. And everybody else is doing colored stuff. I was a buyer at Nordstrom during that time. Everyone else is doing colored stuff, and they're all out of business. She's making a kiln. I couldn't have said it better. I mean, those kind of things. I think there's something else that these science fiction movies teach us. And that it kind of explains why they're not telling us anything. They're telling us that the military is going to overreact and cause a disaster with these aliens. There's going to be no level-headed communication. They're going to come in, a general's going to come in, you know. You got what's his name who was head of the Air Force under Kennedy. Uh why can't I think of his name? I talk about him all the time. Red for vice president. Ram for vice president. Anyway. You know, and come in and say, we can wipe these guys out. Let's just get rid of them. They're coming here to kill us all. I mean, we don't know what anybody wants. I mean, first of all, if they have that kind of technology, it's not a big thing to kill us all, right? They have no need, there's nothing to gain here. We've already screwed up the planet enough. There's no resources. There's nothing really to get other than, you know, uh, other than they bring us a cookbook. I mean, there's nothing really to to really do. So, you know, it it's those scenarios that we've been taught through science fiction movies, you know, really don't work other than to feed fear and and do whatever, but it we don't know how, you know, here's the scenario that I think is somewhat plausible is that the extraterrestrials are already here in some way and we're not seeing them.

SPEAKER_02 6:53

Oh, I think that's absolutely true.

unknown 6:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 6:57

I suspect, Steve, if you had to think of one reason why the government wouldn't want to talk about it, it would be total complete, you know, to avoid a situation of total panic. If you could say if someone could come to us who knew something, and they would say, Look, guys, here's what's going on. This is why we can't talk about it. The one reason you could really think is instantaneous total panic. And the scenario that I can imagine that might lead to that is some evidence that they're already here in some way and have been around us and we're not, we haven't been paying attention or we didn't realize. Like it could be like a type of plant out there or a tree that just looked like all the other trees. And I'm not saying this is true, and I don't want to scare anybody, but if, Steve, don't you have to agree? Wouldn't that be one scenario where you could say, okay, I can see some justification to slow it down a little bit because it would be so shocking that people would like they they wouldn't work, they wouldn't be coming out of their houses the next day. That's the scenario you want to avoid.

SPEAKER_00 8:03

I mean, I think I agree, I agree with you that if that's possible and that got out there would be a big thing.

Sci-Fi Fear And Military Overreaction

SPEAKER_00 8:10

But remember when the Moors invaded Spain, the Spanish Catholics started serving pork all the time so they could tell the Muslims from the Catholics or Christians. And so they were Catholics at that time. So I mean, you think about that kind of way of society protecting itself from a changing force. And believe me, the Moors were just as much aliens as somebody coming down from the planet.

SPEAKER_02 8:36

That is exactly right. Remember when the Spaniards invaded Mexico, what's now Mexico, Central America? And wasn't it uh was it it was Cortes and Montezuma, and they thought that the horses and the the people were one thing. Yeah, so this has happened before, and Cortez was able to conquer that. How many was it millions of people just through the millions, millions of people of not realizing it was a horse and a person, and they were mortal, and you could have defeated them just by charging them all at once with the number of people they had. So, yeah, the these sort of scenarios have happened in our history. That's all the more reason, in my view, to let's get on with what we're dealing with here. There are plenty of people on the ground now that could give intelligent lectures about the subject and it wouldn't turn into mass panic. But really, the chips are gonna fall where they fall, Steve. Uh, people like me and you and other researchers, we can only do what we do and have our broadcast. We can't make people listen to it and watch or agree or even say it's real. So you put out the best information you can with what we know. Now, I have to say, James Lakatsky, who's been very on a couple podcasts recently, Corbell and NAP podcast and so forth, who worked at OSAP. He worked in Defense Warning Office for Department of Defense. OSAP program preceded ATIP. They investigated the Nimitz 2004 sightings. They were a UFO research program started by Senator Harry Reid from Nevada. And Lakatsky said it was disguised to look like some sort of foreign technology research program. But he said it's a UFO program, let's be honest what it was.

SPEAKER_01 10:29

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 10:30

UFO sightings are more than UFO sightings. This is what he said repeatedly on these podcasts. There's more going on, and we don't totally understand it. The government. And he said, and you don't have to believe him, but he said, even if you found the person in the government that knew the most about this topic, Steve, that's only 5% of it. 5% is more than nothing. But there are, it's a big universe, and there's a lot of different types of intelligences out there with their own agendas and ideas, and we don't even understand the vast majority of what their motivations are to be here, what they're doing. But we understand a little bit. And so if that's true, this is something that has to proceed in in an orderly, slower way because cautiously. Yeah. Because I I would say at this point Not clandestinely, but cautiously. Very good point. I like that phrase. We need to get moving on it. Not in a huge way all at once. We need to start some intelligent research at the public level, not just secret special access programs, cautiously, like you're saying, to get some understanding. There's we have the internet now, we have a lot of researchers out there that can give intelligent lectures about the subject, and we need to start for our own benefit, just to be adults, because we've moved on from addition and subtraction, like you were saying at the beginning of the show, to multiplication and division. We need to move to multiplication and division now. Because if we just keep holding it back at this point, people are gonna distrust the government more and more, and the system will lose functionality over the years. So we need, for the sake of the system's integrity, to move forward on the topic a tenth of a percent at a time. I'm fine with the temperature if all they know is five percent, I'm fine with a tenth of a percent per year. Over a decade, we'd catch up. That's what we gotta do, in my view.

SPEAKER_00 12:36

I'm gonna throw something out there that I may add it out, but it it's just something I thought about. I mean, when I'm a logical thinker. I don't always I don't know, I'm not always right, but I like to find when something doesn't make sense, I can't let go of it.

Already Here And The Panic Scenario

SPEAKER_00 13:05

Is that there's been these mass migrations all around the world from impoverished people to more wealthier nations? You have people moving from the Middle East into France, you have people coming from Mexico into the United States, and everybody's let certain groups of people are letting it happen. And there's a lot of people that say, no, don't let this happen. It's gonna screw up our whole country. Well, what do we know about where those people come from? That there's always been a that their ancient cultures have interacted with aliens. Right. So could it be that this is a way that these alien earthlings, though they're other mixed generation or parts of theirs, are able to spread throughout the world. Wow.

SPEAKER_02 14:18

You got me on that one. It's uh I never even thought about it.

SPEAKER_00 14:21

I mean, that's the craziest thing I've ever thought of.

SPEAKER_02 14:23

Okay, okay. That, Steve, you're bringing up a whole nother aspect of this cookbook here because what you're talking about is hybridization, a slow hybridization.

SPEAKER_00 14:37

I mean, if you think about it, if you have these aliens on, they're all in the South America and North America doesn't have aliens, right? Or it doesn't have these co-mingled people, right? So don't. It's gonna be we need to destroy them. We need it's the other side, we're not letting them in. But if they're all over, there's nothing you can do. Right. Well, look, Steve, I mean, I guess. How's that for a scary, a scary thought? Can I just blow your mind? Because you're a hard guy to blow their mind to. Yeah, no, I had never thought about that, but it doesn't matter. Because all those ancient civilizations have all thought, you know, they do had interacted with aliens. That's the that's the you know, that's the spin out there, the hieroglyphics with spaceships and all those things. And maybe they've been here, I mean, maybe they've been here that long.

SPEAKER_02 15:35

See, you're raising a bigger story that we haven't even started to talk about, which is to what extent have we been influenced genetically by another species without our being aware of it? Some sort of intentional genetic modification. I mean, some people suspect that we're a modified hominid. I mean, and this is for another day, but that's why why would Bigfoot look so different than us, but so similar? Is this some sort of modification? Going back on the family tree of hominids. It just raises a lot of questions, but you know what you thought you raised in my mind is why did the White House get the website aliens.gov? Because no one's sure what they're doing with that. Is it is it is a website about illegal immigration, or is it something to do with this? I mean, at some point the discussion of aliens begins to merge into one discussion if what you're saying has some validity to

OSAP, AATIP, And The Five Percent Claim

SPEAKER_02 16:40

it.

SPEAKER_00 16:40

I'm not saying it does. We don't know, but it's a certain imagine, but but I mean, we've certainly in the last decade have scratched their heads why we opened the borders and let all these people in that had no money, no anything. And you know what? I say to myself, I I don't buy it. I don't buy it because we want to give them a better life. I don't buy that anybody cares about that. There's always what do we know? There's always a reason. There's always a reason why human beings do certain things. And and that reason has eluded me for such a long time. I I don't know what to say. I'm gonna have to I part of me says, I'm gonna cut this whole part out and put save it for another day. But it just happened to come to my mind then and and I said it out loud.

SPEAKER_02 17:40

You got me on that scenario there. But the larger question I think that you're raising is this is the bigger picture, Steve. Does humanity have a role to play in this cosmic community that we could be part of? And that there's just a huge story ahead of us that we don't even have an inkling of in terms of our relations with these other intelligences. A lot of them are, as Dave Grush said, corporeal, bipedal. Is there is that another reason for not talking about it? Is there some sort of okay, so the second reason, the first reason was they're already here and they're part of something they've been around you and you weren't aware of it. The second reason is genetics, hybridization, interbreeding, all these touchy, difficult to talk about subjects. What's the reality of that? Because you were asking me about UFO conferences, contact in the desert. There are a lot of people I've met over the years who feel that they've been abducted and taken on ships, and that sometimes reproductive materials are tested or extracted, right? It's a kind of a messy subject to talk about. But I will tell you something that Terry Lovelace told me to repeat. Terry Lovelace being that guy that wrote the book Incident at Devil's Den about being taken aboard a triangular craft while taking a break from the Air Force for a weekend in Devil's Den State Park in Arkansas. Someone I've talked to, by the way, a former federal prosecutor. Wow. For the South Pacific territories. Federal prosecutor came out of the Air Force, went into law, became a federal prosecutor. And he had an experience with a guy he called Toby, where they were taken aboard a craft, they got burns, they felt injured, they didn't talk about it, but the Air Force somehow found out about it. They thought maybe because they left all their camping gear and just split in the middle of the night. And they attempted hypnosis. Same thing, like I mentioned with Garrett hypnosis, what did you see? You know, so Terry told me and he authorized me to repeat this, he got a call from Department of Homeland Security in New York City a couple of years ago. And he said they wanted to know every detail about his abduction experience. Like they knew about this, Steve. And he said when he got done telling the story, they could have read the book. And Terry had his own podcast for a while. Uh he he by the way, he came up with a second book called Instant Devil's Den, the uh uh Revelation or something. It was a second book where just witnesses who had written into him, he shared their stories, and it's a very compelling collection of stories, just from people he's interacted with since the first book. He said, DHS said to him when he finished telling his story, we're treating this like a criminal activity. You can read into that what you will. And Terry said to them, if I'm not mistaken, I didn't know the U.S. government had jurisdiction over extraterrestrials. Right? It's a big issue, as you know, in law. What's the jurisdiction here? And he said there was silence on the other end. No one laughed. It was silence on the other end of the phone. And he said, Simeon, I want you to repeat this story because this is proof that the feds know about this and they're not in control of it, and they're trying to contain it. And again, Steve, I can't determine the veracity of all these witnesses' stories. Even to me, it sounds fantastic, but there's a lot of people with stories like this. Bud Hopkins, the New York City investigator, did a lot of research into this of missing time and so forth. Is this another component to the story that is?

SPEAKER_00 21:36

I give you another another thing to think about. So, what have we seen in in public culture over the past 10 years as well? Rise of where we come from. Where do you come from? What are your roots? You know what? We're gonna make it so you could

Immigration, Hybrids, And A Dark Hypothesis

SPEAKER_00 21:55

give us a blood sample and we're gonna tell you where you're from. And how many times. Times have you heard that people get the report back and say they were crazy, they were wrong, none of my relatives come from there. Well, maybe that's not what they're doing. Maybe they're out there looking to see how much alien DNA is spread through our culture, and we don't even know.

SPEAKER_02 22:19

It's another Spielberg movie yet to come. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 22:22

They're all in here. I just gotta let them out.

SPEAKER_02 22:25

I mean, think about think about that to the extent I mean, it's it's uh it's unbelievable to think that aliens have may been here and been living here uh under right under our noses, if there are noses or someone else's well, I but Steve, I I remember seeing a photograph in New Scientist magazine, and it they had been doing this placental analysis of a woman to determine the health of the fetus, and they said, We can't explain what this is. It was a nerve cell embedded with a integrated circuit chip that had been taken from the blood symbol.

SPEAKER_00 23:09

A nerve cell, right? So what they do is they go into the embryonic fluid, they take out a blood cell with a long needle, and then they examine it to make sure the children's healthy.

SPEAKER_02 23:20

Exactly. And in this sample, and this is New Scientist magazine. I wish I had taken a photo, but this is before cell phones. I think this is from early 90s or something. It was a picture of what we would call an integrated circuit chip somehow connected to a nerve cell. How could that be? Right. So what is it? And I'm just saying, what kind of evidence is out there for something like this? I think we could see a rationale why this information would be suppressed for a while. It's just beyond our almost capacity to have an intelligent conversation about. We don't want people flipping out and going reacting with terror, whatever the reaction is. But all I can say is I've spoken to a lot of people who believe they've had something to do with this program. Under hypnosis, they give the same story. It wasn't only Bud Hopkins, but other researchers have looked into this. And is this I'm just throwing it out there. I don't know if it's literally true. Is this another aspect of the story? Genetic manipulation attached.

SPEAKER_00 24:25

Let me tell you another story. So I'm a 9-11 victim, right? So, you know, I and I have slone catering, I had kidney cancer, and I'm under monitor, monitor, whatever. These big shot doctors come to me one day when I'm there and say, listen, we're doing genetic testing on everybody that was down there. We're trying to get all the people, but you need to sign off big time, all these papers. And I'm like, listen, I'm I told you already, I'm in. I'm here to help you. If you my health, if you're trying to figure out, I asked them this question, if why I'm still alive and others are dead, I'm in. Right? So then they say to me, we want you to be aware that there may be some day in the future that either the law, health or something where you may be scrutinized by your genetic code against others. And I said, What are you talking about? They said, Well, what I said, give me an example. They said, Well, you may not be able to get health insurance because based on your genetic code. I was like, dude, I'm not gonna make it long enough for you guys to figure that crap out. So I signed. So years later, after I did that, they have plus I authorized them to hold all the cells they took from my body during surgery. So they're always doing these DNA comparisons. Now, how would I change your DNA's your DNA? It doesn't change, but anyway, it can mutate from exposed to environment, and that's how you get cancer, you know. So at least that's what they tell you. So I I wonder if that's another search for whatever they need to know. You know, is is this do you how are they using my DNA? Listen, I'm 67 years old, but by the time they figure out how to read the DNA like that, I'll be long gone. But there are others collecting this DNA, collecting this research. What are they doing with it? Who knows? Right. I didn't know about it. You know, this I think this part of the show is gonna be a separate show from the from where we started.

SPEAKER_02 26:56

Uh Steve, I think we've identified two solid reasons why there could be secrecy around the subject. The third obvious reason would be some sort of criminality involved in the cover-up. People who are in that don't want to go to jail. They broke the law. We all get that. But these other two aspects of it are parts that could be so shocking to people, it could upset the fabric of society to the point where it wouldn't be functional. And I think that would be reasons we could understand, even if we don't agree one way or another, why authorities that knew about this, some genetic manipulation, genetic interaction, and other aspects of this that it would frighten people to the extent that they would, you know, lose it. So these are potential reasons why we have to proceed cautiously. But Steve, I think we can do it. We have dealt with very difficult subjects in the past. We're still here as a country and as a human race, and we can deal with it. It maybe it won't be easy, but we can we have so many mechanisms to talk about this. Look, we're doing it right now,

Abductions, DHS, And Implant Evidence

SPEAKER_02 28:05

and there's so many other podcasts to talk about it, and we can bring people on to call in and and slowly people can process the fact that we're not alone. I don't know completely what the motivations are of these visitors. If they are visitors, we don't even know this could be their planet. Maybe we're the visitors. We don't know the full story here, but I think if we take it slowly and carefully, as you're used to being associated with, you know, the law, we can deal with it one step at a time so that it turns into something that we can build upon rather than running away and you know, war the worlds, panic and all that.

SPEAKER_00 28:47

No, we need facts. We need facts. I mean what that's we know facts. We need the well facts. Well, what we have this, what does it mean? You know, what does it mean? We have these sightings, what does it mean? Exactly. Exactly. We have these these stories about being abducted. I mean, how could there be so many stories? People gotten lie detectors, questioned, four people separated, telling their same story. Come on. Mass and you and they tell you mass hysteria, mass uh Right, right. That could come on.

SPEAKER_02 29:23

No, exactly right. Steve, I even got to talk with Dr. Roger Lear over the years. He did the implant removals. I think he did 30 or 40 implants. I think there's a movie about him called Patient 17 that Jeremy Corbell put together. Yeah, I we saw the analysis of these implants by Dr. Roger Lear over and over again. And they were made of materials that were not easy to identify. There was some magnetic aspect of them, which was really strange. And they some of them seemed electronically active. And none of these people had any recollection of how that could have gotten into their body. They were discovered, all discovered accidentally during routine x-rays where the doctor would say, When did you have surgery right over there? And they would say, I never did. And there's no visible wound on the surface, there's no surface scarring, and somehow the body didn't reject this little, you know, a tiny grain of salt-sized device, but it's in there and they can remove it. And what are those? So, you know, my reference point, like what you're saying, is the facts. I I was on the Edgemont High School debate team for four years. I was the co-captain. I'm used to just dealing with evidence, and it's not enough of an a retort against an assertion that it just sounds funny. You gotta have real evidence if you have that many people saying it's happening to them. What are is really going on there? And I think what makes me suspicious about all this effort to debunk UFOs and make it seem like some sort of conspiracy theory, or just have a prosaic explanation, is the sheer number of witnesses, and now as we're seeing the sheer number of videos and film and censor system data that says there's something anomalous out there that we haven't been able to explain for decades. And that type of subject needs facts. It needs facts, and we're not getting them right now. We're not getting them.

SPEAKER_00 31:18

So, what I thought, going back to disclosure day, the movie, what I thought was interesting, if you haven't seen it, cover your ears. Is interesting how they made one of the main characters a former nun. Yeah. And not that she fell from grace, she just lost her calling, which happens to people we know. They go out, they get married, they have families, those things. And I know lots of them that are were lawyers because they were so well educated. And when she goes back to the Reverend Mother, she asks them, But if I believe in aliens, does that mean that the the God I believe in doesn't exist, or something to that effect? And the Reverend Mother says, I have to tell everybody from the right it's okay. Says, no, God is everyone's God, whether they're aliens or whether they're not. It's a supreme being.

SPEAKER_02 32:17

Well, Steve, I found that moment in the movie very interesting. And you know that's actually based on fact. No. Yes, do you remember Senior Balducci, the Vatican spokesman? Yes. He was asked that exact same question. I almost, while watching the movie, I don't want to ruin it for anyone, we won't say anything more about this specific line. I thought, wow, this sounds like Senior Balducci talking, which was that was his response. He said, Here at the Vatican, we've known about this for a long time, and we believe that our God wouldn't only create humans, it would, God is so omnipotent that our God would create many species of life. It's already something we accept here. This was big news about 20 years ago because it meant people, you know, from people from that version of Christianity would find that acceptable. That Catholicism doesn't have a problem with the idea of UI posts. That's what Balducci was telling us. When he came out and said this, I believe it was around 2000 or 2005 or something, if I remember correctly. And what she says in the movie, those lines were, I mean, again, I thought someone did their research in this movie. It sounded a lot like Signor Balducci's response when he was interviewed. I forget who the interviewer was, right? That this is something that doesn't undermine Catholicism or Christianity. And that's a big deal for a lot of people because the counter-argument had always been this is going to cause religious upheaval. It's that the the dialogue in the film really counters a lot of real-world conversations that people have been having over the years. Is would this undermine religion or would it do it in a way that people would lose their faith? What's going to replace the faith? And Balducci said, Hogwash, it doesn't replace, it doesn't change really anything for us. We've known about this. And of course, there's always been these rumors that the Vatican has a UFO library, which I have heard accounts of people visiting, which is supposedly, Steve, going back to your discussion a few minutes ago.

SPEAKER_00 34:38

So funny that was my next question, T, because I know you did. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_02 34:42

Well, the library goes back to your question. I mean, people said it's the most extensive UFO library on the planet, is the Vatican UFO library. Going back hundreds of years.

SPEAKER_00 35:01

I mean, you see the recants of it in one of those movies by uh David, you know, when they when they go in the archives to go back and look at things, and you see these vast archives of writings from philosophers.

SPEAKER_02 35:18

Well, this is the irony of it, Steve. It was, who was it? Was it the Jesuits that were so hostile to Giordano, Bruno, Copernicus, Galileo?

SPEAKER_00 35:31

Galileo.

SPEAKER_02 35:33

But at the same time, while in Arizona, I went to visit a Vatican telescope that is owned by the Vatican on Vatican property on the top of Mount Graham, about two hours from Tucson. I had heard about this telescope and I wanted to see it for myself. And there you drive up this huge mountain steed.

DNA Collection And Secrecy Motives

SPEAKER_02 35:55

It's like at 10,000 feet rising up from the desert. And I drove up and you get to a gate, and it said Vatican Observatory on the gate. Mount Graham. So maybe there are people that know even more about this than our own government who have been researching this for a long time. And maybe they they have uh given their apologies now to Copernicus, Galileo, and Bruno, if I'm not mistaken, right? They there was a official Papel apology. Was it right? About 10 years ago or so. They said we it better late than never that because they have their own, they have their own telescopes and they see things and do their own research. It'd be it'd be another excellent movie, wouldn't it? Of what they really know about this versus what we know about it. But times change and they are scientifically based too in their own way. And they may know more about this than the rest of us.

SPEAKER_00 36:54

Yeah, I'm reading a statement here. This is so John Paul the second has famously stated that beings from the other world would still be the children of God, while former Vatican chief astronomer Jose Funes noted that says E T could could theoretically exist without having the history of original sin. Because the they didn't have I mean that's how how much they thought about it. They didn't have Adam and Eve with the apple.

SPEAKER_02 37:33

So there's a spin on it. And see, did you see how we we could evolve into this with this really this type of disclosure process could really work? Because you already have people thinking about the consequences and a way to interpret it for their followers, right? So excuse me. I agree. That's all right. So I say it's time to move ahead just like the Vatican is already ahead on this one. Let's be honest about it.

SPEAKER_00 37:56

They've thought this out a couple decades ago, and well, it's good to have a supreme leader because they do, and nobody else tells them what to do, which we don't have, you know, with the rest of the world doesn't leadership, and that's what we you know, Steve.

SPEAKER_02 38:17

I think that's a good way to sum it up for today. What we need here is leadership. I love going to all these conferences over the years, but these are self-sustained organizations that barely make it from year to year just on the funding from people that come to pay for it. And each of them, we got to meet the person that, you know, holds this conference one at the speaker first night, the speaker, speakers get together and have an event. And we got to meet the person that sponsored this event. I remember when I was at the citizen hearing in 2013 in DC at the National Press Club. Now, that was sponsored by Paradigm Research Group, but there was some uh wealthy Canadian timber baron that had put up the money to have a week. You imagine to bring all those witnesses in from other countries and to hold the event there and to create the videos and the whole thing. There was some, uh I forget this person's name. So it's it's people have moved forward on Lawrence Rockefeller. Let's just bring in one more. Is he a New Yorker too? I mean, it was at Picantico Hills. They had that conference when they invited it to Rockefeller Estate and that that conference center, which I'm sure you've been by. Beautiful area to walk around. My mom loved though those areas, my dad too, by the Union Church. Right down the road is where one of the first UFO conferences was held, you know, in recent memory by Lawrence Rockefeller and Jacques Vallet was there. You can see the photo, how put off all these other researchers at the time in 96. I think that's what it was, if I'm not mistaken. So the Bacantico Hills Conference was sponsored. It's been very wealthy people that have sponsored this research, and they've all wanted to move the ball down the field. They realize there could be a lot of benefits to our society, not just technologically, like let's figure out how their energy systems were. I'm not saying that's not important. Propulsion, yes, that's another reason that it's sensitive, anti-gravity propulsion, but just on a cultural, historical level, can we get some intelligent discussion? Can we get some facts here? That's what we're talking about. And they hold these conferences, and we're all coming together to get the facts. Well, I say it's time for some leadership here. We need to have some leadership just like the Vatican has the Pope. We need some leadership on the subject that people can agree this is someone we can accept or some organization that's telling us the truth. We've

Religion, The Vatican, And A Wider Cosmos

SPEAKER_02 40:50

had MUFON, I'm a MUFON member. MUFON's great, but again, it's sort of a self-funded organization that the government has used from time to time to get witness accounts from. But I think we spend enough money on other programs that this would be a very good return on the dollar to start investing. Uh we had one more thing, Steve. We did have Avi Loeb come forward two nights ago and say that there's a government UAP scientific advisory board that's being formed. I don't think we've been able to find evidence, I could be wrong, that this is true, but he came forward with a video on social media saying he was been asked to head this thing. So I say we just moved resources into the public discussion of the subject to get the facts. I don't think anyone can disagree that it wouldn't hurt to get the facts. And we can move on.

SPEAKER_00 41:46

I agree. You know, that's that's really where we're at. We want to know more about what people know.

SPEAKER_02 41:54

What do we know? Let's bring it out on the table. No one wants to release sensitive, classified information to adversaries of the United States to help their military weapons. I get it. But you can sanitize all of that out of the data dish, like they're doing with these red drops of UFO videos. You black out the particular sensor system. What that those sensor systems show you how accurate those cameras are. They don't want to give the, I've talked to people in the giveaway how far the radars can pick. We get that. You could black that part out, but you could release the information and stop calling us a bunch of kooks, okay? And saying it's weather balloons and flocks of geese and ice crystals. I love that one. Ice crystals on the windshield, and the best one is it's neurological stress from the pilots.

SPEAKER_00 42:44

Give me a bit about so so what do you see? In the director's cut of each of uh close encounters, right? You get the you get the whole thing in the in the tower where they're watching the planes, and they see the UFO. Right? And they're talking about it, just went past me, blah, blah, blah. And then the tower guy says, Do you want to report? Uh uh, you know, uh an object, an unexplained, unidentified object. And you hear the guy pause, and he goes, No, I don't really want to report one of those. Then he goes, Well, what about you? You get a reporter? He goes, No, I don't want to report one of those either. And that's what happens. And that would and it moved on from there.

SPEAKER_02 43:31

But that's what happens, Steve. It's actually literally, I've talked to pilots and so forth. Uh it's in my Black Swan Ghost book, these pilot accounts. They talk amongst themselves. They decide maybe we shouldn't. You know, this is literally the conversation they have. And if you say too much, there are gonna be guys waiting there on the tarmac in black suits when you get down, and they're gonna say, Can we have your camera, please, sir? And you never get the camera. Back with the film or whatever. You know, uh there was that case. Remember in the Chicago Airport 2008 United terminal, there's an object seen hovering over the terminal. I do remember that, yeah. It punches a hole in the cloud as it moves up. There were like 30, 20, 30 witnesses from United Airlines, including baggage handlers, pilots, I believe, maybe tower traffic. I mean, they're asking each other what's going on over there over terminal so and so. And remember the response from United Airlines? They send out a memo. They send a memo to all the employees of United. You will not talk about this. So that's what has to end. That's what we need to talk about it. We need to get the facts. We're not dummies here. We didn't get to be the country we are by just saying, don't talk about it. We need to get the facts, or we can't make decisions, we can't create public policy, and we can't be intelligent human beings. And we're going to go back, Steve, from being able to do multiplication and division into just doing addition and subtraction if we don't have a public discussion on this topic. That's all it comes down to. So what do you want? Do you want to go back just to be going to kindergarten? Or do you want to move forward to the next level? I mean, I know how I feel about it, but everyone has to make their own decision about it. That's where we can use some leadership about it.

Leadership, Public Research, And What Comes Next

SPEAKER_02 45:30

And that's what Congress could be doing if they really want to do something about it instead of just getting a release of these videos. How about showing us some pieces of something? Because I've talked to people who've handled the pieces. How about getting some of those pieces and getting some of those people that I know to sit down in front of Congress and say, without giving any specific information away that could be harmful, what is this? And can we see it under an electron microscope or something? Can we get some facts about these materials? Because I know these materials exist. It can't just be videos, it has to be some material evidence at some point. And that's where this has to go. And again, the chips are going to fall where they will in Washington, D.C. That's what we pay these people for. It's not just to collect their salaries and be nice to each other, right? We want some real information.

SPEAKER_00 46:20

I don't think they are nice to each other. So I I uh it would be interesting if since we can't get the right and the left for better for lack of a better explanation, to work together that a topic like this could be something that brings us all together after all that. And and I I think Simeon is a really good place to leave it.

SPEAKER_02 46:43

I agree, Steve, and that's for another time. And again, that's what the movie was about, the disclosure day. They had that very short, it's very short at the end, but that's the idea. That's the idea. Maybe Reagan was right. Maybe Ronald Reagan when he said, if I had to think about an issue that brings us all together, we realize we have a lot more in common than different. Maybe that would end wars overnight, would be some statement from our president, and I can see him doing it. He could do it. He comes to the mic, or he issue Steve, he issues an executive order saying I'm granting amnesty to all witnesses to this program to testify. I'm I'm I'm invalidating all their NDAs. They can testify in front of Congress. He's done this type of thing before. We're invalidating the NDAs. It's executive order. I want all witnesses to not just disclosure dot videos. I want all the witnesses who've seen something to contact Congress. We're gonna have a process and they can testify over the next 10 years about what they saw. How about that? All right, we'll leave it at that, Steve. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 47:47

We'll leave it at that. Just, you know, for everyone, I I don't necessarily believe the things I was talking about. I was just, you know, food. Spetulation, Steve. Bring on uh bring on conversation and and and whatever. But there it is, there you have it. History agenda. This is probably a two-part episode. And I thank Simeon for for coming on again. I still have people contact me uh regarding our episode on on remote viewing, and I and I was so sick that day. We were all here doing it live at a bad camera, bad. You remember that? Bad everything. People watch that still and listen to it still. Yeah. And and also we did a great episode on uh on Bigfoot. And I I thought that and I get a lot of still get a lot of feedback from that. So I thank you very much. It's uh always a pleasure to have you on. Thanks, everyone. Thank you for listening. And everyone be there. So

Amnesty For Witnesses And Closing Thoughts

SPEAKER_00 48:55

thanks again. Speak soon.