Offside with Hawes and Maguire
Offside: with Hawes and Maguire is not your typical hockey show. This weekly
45-60 minute show is a potent combination of humour and genuine hockey insights that pushes the envelope.
- Liam is renowned for his photographic memory, lively storytelling, vast hockey knowledge and sometimes over-the-top passion for the game of hockey.
- Chris is known for his unrehearsed humour, contagious laughter and uncanny ability to make even the most serious debates end in boisterous guffaws.
Between the two, there is an infectious enthusiasm and professional chemistry that is evident from the outset. It can only be described as lightning in a bottle.
Offside with Hawes and Maguire
It's a tight race in our Hockey Pool. Plus the All-Star Game, Debating Don Cherry's Legacy, more Duguay
Join us as we share the latest update and analysis from the Hosie and Brown Hockey pool, where the prize of a trip to Ireland has participants on the edge of their seats. We'll give you the rundown on the surprising strategies and player picks that are making this season's pool one of the most thrilling yet.
Strap in for a trip down memory lane and an exploration of hockey's evolution, from discussing Connor McDavid's all-star skills to honoring Darryl Sittler's unforgettable 10-point game. Hockey legend Ron Dugay stops by to regale us with tales from his New York Rangers days, providing an intimate glimpse into the life of NHL players during the '70s and '80s. We also analyze the NHL All-Star Game, mulling over its past, present, and what could be in store to spice up the spectacle.
Wrapping up, we don't shy away from the more contentious issues, like the nuanced debate over Don Cherry's 'Coach's Corner' departure and what it signifies for freedom of speech in the spotlight. We also consider the tricky balance of age versus performance in public roles, a conversation that extends well beyond the rink. Tune in to Offside with Hawes and McGuire for a thought-provoking session that's as much about the heart and history of hockey as it is about the stories that shape our perspectives on society and sport.
It's offside with Hawes and McGuire Ready. Okay, one, two, three, ah, there you go. Look at no foam.
Speaker 2:That's a first for you. It's not shaken.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:It hasn't shaken, but you know what I?
Speaker 1:can't drink it. I'm actually on this, yeah. I'm on this dry February? Well, because I kind of failed with dry January. It was not a failure, it was more of a. It was just damp. Are you blaming me? It was a. You may have been responsible. There was a bit of you know you involved in that. But to be honest with you, what kind of person am I if I don't have the willpower to say no? And I think we know exactly what kind of person.
Speaker 2:I am. I certainly wouldn't hold you guilty to that, especially if you're going to try and back it up by Taking it into favor.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, this is the thing I figure you know, as long as I get, you know, a number of days, string them together in some way, shape or form.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you like that? Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's just that's what we call, that rubbing it in.
Speaker 2:Sorry, sorry, brother.
Speaker 1:Okay, so listen, we have a number of things to talk about. I'm sorry, I'm a Hawes and McGuire, oh, that's right, did we do that yet?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know, okay, hey, welcome. It's Offside with Hawes and McGuire. I'm Hawes, I'm a McGuire. There we go. Okay, we're all set Now. So the first thing we're going to talk about is our, our Hoesling and Brown. Yep Hockey pool Boy, oh boy, in which the, the winner, gets to go to Ireland and we're getting it's getting closer, like the All-Star break done. Yeah, right, so All-Star game over January run.
Speaker 1:Current stats. Okay, and I'll be posting this here so we can be able to see it. The leader with 1224.5. Take me to your leader Points is Blades of Stiegel. Okay, okay, and I'm also being a brewery, by the way, oh yeah, I think that's the whole thing behind it. You know good, in the room they said yeah, which is Chuck? Yeah, okay, he's at 1173.5. Now, when we move further down, I'm going to jump down to your son, okay, yeah, rory. Yeah, rory is currently in fifth place. Okay, however, he has 35 games in hand, holy shit. So there's an opportunity for a search. Okay, now I'm going to move down even further. So, because tied in sixth place, okay, with my God.
Speaker 2:Are you sure these games in hand are not reflective of injury? No, no, no Games in hand.
Speaker 1:The games played. Okay, okay, and that is. And so, basically, and it's across the league, right? Yeah, depending on the player. Yeah, so Q has like 50 games in hand.
Speaker 2:He's in sixth.
Speaker 1:He's in sixth place.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:So there is a huge opportunity. This is not by any means shape or form, you know. Over Now I'm going to point out something that it's not an anomaly. It's actually kudos to this individual who registered two teams.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Yep and he is currently in third and fourth place.
Speaker 2:That's insane With both teams. Okay, just a couple subtle changes.
Speaker 1:Well, you know, and for him, so. So here's the thing. That's Dave.
Speaker 2:Zickovic oh, wow, yeah, st Mark's teacher Formerly, yeah, formerly. Oh, we did, Okay yeah.
Speaker 1:And he was a winger. He was my winger last night. Oh yeah, okay, yeah, so, so, yeah, so that. So that is tight. Now I decided to analyze further and see what are these people who are winning doing?
Speaker 2:10 minutes.
Speaker 1:You know what and who were their their?
Speaker 2:selections.
Speaker 1:So, and this is the interesting thing, you would think guys would have a lot of similar players. Yeah, they don't know. No, so out of the 20 players plus two spares, so 22 players, yeah, okay. Between number one, okay, which is Tim Jones, who is the age of Stiegel, okay, okay. And number two, which is Chuck Yates, yeah, okay. Good, the room. They said in the room. They said, yeah, okay, there are only four common players. That's crazy, only four common players. I can't believe that it isn't, but it is, it's true.
Speaker 2:I don't believe it.
Speaker 1:What.
Speaker 3:Are you calling me a liar? I says pardon. So I snap, I stop, I lose it. You know, my wife really likes your blackhawks. That's one of my favorite so many.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's got an.
Speaker 2:X rated one. That's just, it's on the floor, laughter on the phone.
Speaker 1:So anyhow. So is it not interesting?
Speaker 2:It is that's very surprising, yeah.
Speaker 1:Very surprising? That's absolutely not. And so, and just to note the players of similarity Okay, the Kachuk brothers, okay. Okay, which you know, hagel from Tampa Bay, okay Okay, who was actually like performing incredibly well, yeah, this, this. Hughes fella. Yeah, from fucking Vancouver, who just came out of nowhere to have the season of a life, quinter.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was like I'm leaving scoring there First captain, that was it. It changed everything, Maybe, so All three of them are are are good hockey players. They're one of the stories in the NHL this year. The three of them? Yeah, no doubt, yeah, and that's it.
Speaker 1:Those are the similar players. That's it. And technically, the Kachuk brothers are only one guy, right? No, I'm just. What do you mean? Oh, I wasn't following that. Yeah, yeah, no, no, I was just. You know, those kind of being being. Yeah, I think the term is facetious, yeah.
Speaker 2:Gotcha. I mean, it's big words, but you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Yes. You know All right, so isn't that pretty exciting. So, as we, as we head into this, there's a lot of a lot of opportunities here.
Speaker 2:Some games played to be the month of February and into March would be interesting.
Speaker 1:Oh, absolutely. Well, this is where people are going to start racking up some points to trade deadline.
Speaker 2:It could result in some roster moves. Of course, injuries are always a concern.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. Not to mention, you know, I believe there is A the NHL is trying to to thwart our winners and by by just benching guys. So you can give me a yeah, giving them suspensions without hearings for great sake, unheard of. Yeah, it's unbelievable. Okay, oh now. So you know what we're going to talk about next.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:Is viewer feedback. Oh, okay, so we've had. Have you had any feedback? I always get feedback, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1:So I'd like to hear what some of your recent feedback has been Really enjoying the Dugay interview.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, got a number of messages on that on. On the Dugay interview, one person in particular really upset that the fair story didn't continue. Yeah, he wants to know, wanted to know the you know. Come on, come on, he must have told you, he must have told you.
Speaker 1:So there's there's more to the story. There's absolutely more to the story, but not that we could broadcast and we'll just let your imagination take it from there. Okay, but there's more Dugay coming today.
Speaker 2:More Dugay today. We have more Dugay today.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's actually a Dugay week.
Speaker 2:I think Dugay week. Yeah, I must message him and make sure that he's aware.
Speaker 1:It's up there, yeah.
Speaker 2:I think he is, because I put it on Instagram and he's we follow each other.
Speaker 1:Well, he hasn't sent us any, any, any, any note of any sort, any note especially cause no cease and desist. No, anyway, no, no.
Speaker 2:So so That'd be the bulk of the feedback I got from the last one. That's it Okay. It was on the Dugay interview, Okay.
Speaker 1:So someone who also sometimes gives you feedback. They told me that they said I and they called, but on the phone.
Speaker 3:Oh, wow.
Speaker 1:And I said, hey, I just wanted to talk and I answered and they were gracious that I answered my phone, which why the heck wouldn't I? It's a marriage today, Well, well, I guess it is Like I, you know. So, anyway, says first of all, love what you're doing with the new, with the interviews.
Speaker 1:I think, it's a great idea and we had said who we had interviewed in the last episode right, the SBO thing and whatever. So very excited, very interested in doing this and continue to watch Did mention that I shouldn't wear those pants anymore. Oh, okay, yeah, those great pants you were wearing in the when we were sitting and apparently had my legs crossed and I apparently I look like a woman, okay.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:The pants were a little bit too tight, and and and. So this is the kind of feedback I'm getting, okay, okay, and so, as a result, I'm not wearing those great pants.
Speaker 2:Hey.
Speaker 1:At least for a little while. What?
Speaker 2:I mean, I think the pants were worth a thousand. They probably a thousand people feel the same way.
Speaker 1:And, to be fair, I'll put my thighs up against anybody you know around. You know what I mean. Me Crosby and I are similar. Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:The word thunder comes to mind.
Speaker 1:Well, no, no, not thunder. What do you mean? Thunder? That means like that, that's that hurts, that's hurtful. Oh, okay, it's hurtful.
Speaker 2:Like that's, try to be calm. Very strong, very strong, yeah. Thunder, yeah, oh yeah, no, no, no Thunder. Yeah, thunder bolt, that's right.
Speaker 1:Well, it's a few bull days of thunder. Yes, all right. Now we're going to talk about the, the NHL All Star game.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what did you think All?
Speaker 1:Star weekend Weekend. Well yeah, All Star, All Star festival.
Speaker 2:All Star festival in Toronto hit a hit an absolute home run.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they hit an absolute home run.
Speaker 2:Well, no so from the ratings up up, 80 plus percent across the board, 80.
Speaker 1:Across the board.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So there were eight new viewers.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, a whole lot more than eight. Yeah, they were running around 1.3 to 1.5 million viewership, so it was up significantly. I think there's no doubt about it. The strength of the skills contest, which everybody has been told. We've been told that Connor McDave had played a role in creating, although there really wasn't necessarily anything different per se, but they rolled it all out collectively with all, without any of the other gimmick bullshit that they've used in years past. Yeah, ironically then Connor went and won it.
Speaker 1:Wow, I mean, let's, let's face it At present he's the best hockey player in the NHL.
Speaker 2:He's the best in the planet, you know, and and so he deserves and he should have won it. It's interesting that he wanted on the strength of winning three separate contests.
Speaker 1:He won all. Yeah, he won the contest outright. He didn't lose anything. Yeah, no, he did. What are you doing?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, he didn't win the passing and he didn't win the the one on one with the goalies. In fact he didn't do well there at all. He got Gorgachev and he and he didn't do well on that. He scored on his very first shot and then I don't know he may have got one other goal, but and the passing he didn't. He didn't win that either, but he won three events and, I think, placed in the other. Yeah, that's, the thing is, chris, it's the events he won. He won them like he won them substantially.
Speaker 2:Wow, you know like the shooting, Like four seconds on that and the well, the relay thing was incredible, I mean, and he's the last guy to go, and even the, even the, the, the fastest lap, because he hasn't won the last two years, right, and Barzell beat him two years ago. And when Barzell busted the, the, the 14-5, I believe it was, I just went it's over, like it's over. Connors never had one. No, barzell was 14-7, I think, and somewhere at 14-7, 14-8. Connors, connors never had one under seven, 14-7. I said it's over, barzell is going to win again and Connors goes last. And did you see him in that first corner?
Speaker 1:Well, honestly unbelievable. The first, first turn, the control. Like you know what I listen. I'm not as fast a skater as McDavid, but there are times when I'm making a cut and I'm a little nervous, right, yeah, Can you imagine the sheer?
Speaker 2:speed. Yeah, exactly, but can you imagine?
Speaker 1:They like I mean, he's tri-, he's whipping around, you know what? I was very impressed at his skill, but not that it was unexpected. Okay, Now, what did you think of the actual format? First of all, I, I, I, I, I fucking hated the three on three. Yeah, I hated it. Oh well, no, because it you know what it's? It's not an all-star game anymore. What is no, it's, it's fucking.
Speaker 2:When has there been?
Speaker 1:a well. Back in the days when we used to watch it, when you used to watch in the 70s, 80s, the all-star game was a real game. There was a days are gone.
Speaker 2:They were defensemen playing.
Speaker 1:There were days are gone, days are gone.
Speaker 2:You can't, you can't look at it that way, you get those days are gone.
Speaker 1:What are you non-binary now? Yep.
Speaker 2:You can't, you can't, you cannot look at it that way. Those days are gone because the players don't give a crap about that. There was a little bit like T. You could see in the final Matthews and Marner in front of their home crowd. They, they were exerting quite a bit of effort, I felt anyway.
Speaker 1:But but when you have that, you know the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, that three man outfit. You don't end up getting to see why a Larry Robinson was an all-star. I gave him, you know, and I, we I'm using Larry as the prime example because we just interviewed him and he was a, an oak tree on defense, uh, the Chris Pronners who were, you know, hall of fame level defensemen, yeah, they're not going to, they're not going to be shown in this. Well, and so it doesn't do a value to the whole league.
Speaker 2:What's the number one sport in North America? Nfl football. What do they do in their all-star game? They play flag football. They play flag so what?
Speaker 1:but they still have to cover a guy. Yeah, you got to cover. You got to cover guy.
Speaker 2:There were guys. Well, there wasn't a, there wasn't a three man break. Listen, you're not wrong, but you have to understand. Hang on Stop.
Speaker 1:Stop, stop, right there Stop right there what was that you said You're mostly not wrong.
Speaker 2:It's glorified three on three, which already is, I mean, you know. That's why the NHL is thinking of instituting the rule about not having guys being able to come back out and read. You know, read what. Do you recall it?
Speaker 1:Yeah, Read out yeah.
Speaker 2:So you know, whatever, yeah, everyone knows. Collect their thoughts. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So they're thinking of curtailing that in some way, shape or form. The game is the game. It's been a joke for 30 years. Ever since full salary disclosure players have stopped caring and the old format? There was only one format that worked in that time period. It was when North America played against the worlds. They did it for five years. It was the only game that produced a little bit of intensity, because one side or the other, which the North Americans won three out of the five, and the first year they did it. A very well-known writer in Ottawa here wrote a very serious piece.
Speaker 1:Now, who was that? Well, was it Roy McGregor?
Speaker 2:Yes, okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, why can't you say just say, roy McGregor wrote a piece, I don't know, I don't know. Anyways.
Speaker 2:Roy and I are solid all day. Now I consider him actually a good friend and it wasn't always that way, really. Yeah, that was a story there, but it's so much in the past that it's way too boring to bring up. Point is, roy wrote a story I believe he was in the Ottawa citizen at the time, in the page three doing an editorial piece, so it wasn't always sports but he wrote a story saying that he was really concerned that the North American guys because a lack of skill in North America at that time in 1998 was so apparent, they were going to get run right out of dodge. And ironically, in that very first game so much it was so similar to the 87 Canada Cup game three, even though it was a decade later when Canada was down three, nothing stormed back ended up winning. That was Wayne DeMario. We all know September 15, 87, beautiful.
Speaker 2:And in the All-Star game Team North America got down three, nothing early as well. And Marc Messier was mic'd up on the bench and he said hey, boys, I think they're taking this little serious here, so let's go. And that's on the microphone. You don't hear that in this three on three right now. You don't hear it in the games that preceded North America versus the world, when the scores were 16 to 14. And it was basically a basketball All-Star game. You can't say the NBA All-Star game, chris, is any reflection of how a basketball game is played, and I don't even watch, and I know that. So let's not hang hockey out to dry when there is no solution.
Speaker 1:We're not hanging about to dry. I would like to see more of a game that actually showcases the All-Stars.
Speaker 2:Okay, what's?
Speaker 1:the solution. Well, you know what? At least there's only one. No, what? No, I would say, have a full.
Speaker 1:Now, part of the problem is that is the small ice surface, right Again. So you have a regular five man a game. Okay, yeah, okay, with the same. You know, we'll call it. You know, almost pickup, like it was right. Okay, because it was very quick, it was very, very much like pickup.
Speaker 1:Okay, play it that way. You know, don't play it like a real game, but have it to be freewheeling and all that stuff. But then you have, you add the element of, you know, defensive play to it. You get the guys who there wasn't any, though, no, I know there was, and there generally isn't going to be as much, but they're going to have a little bit and it's not going to be the. You know, I don't know, I just think it doesn't showcase all of the all-stars. And if I were a defenseman, okay, yeah, I would be very disappointed in what was presented to me as being able to attend an all-star game. Because, you know, when you're a kid, there's a couple of things that you dream of as a hockey player Okay, you've got your Olympics. You've got your world juniors, You've got your Stanley Cup, which is the Holy Grail.
Speaker 2:Well, very few times of the Olympics been thought of as a kid.
Speaker 1:Well, you know what, now it is. Maybe now it is.
Speaker 2:Yeah it's not maybe, but yeah, okay, it's still Stanley Cup number one and frankly. Stanley Cup number one by far. Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't know that's the Holy Grail, but at the end of the day, the the all-star game being noted as an all-star in the NHL is a major accomplishment.
Speaker 2:Well, the comments from a lot of the guys who had either played for the first time or or had only been there a couple of times we're very favorable to that point. You know they were. They were saying how much of an honor it was to be there this weekend, be involved, this out and everything.
Speaker 1:Well, you're not gonna say this sucks.
Speaker 2:I mean, they're not no, but I mean Kutroff basically did in his attitude and the skills I mean you know, hung over, hammered whatever. He treated it like nothing. Then he went out and scored the first goal, the first game on a nice breakaway, made a nice play. You know, obviously was stone cold, sober for the game, but the game is a game. The only way you ever get back Anywhere of any intensity is have defending Stanley Cup champion play, a collection of all-stars, which is what it was from 1947 to 1967, those other than two years in the early 50s when they played first team against the second team.
Speaker 2:They both ended up in ties because your teammates playing against each other, nobody wanted to hit, so they said to hell with it, whereas the other games all became a badge of honor to the defending Stanley Cup champion. Or, conversely, the all-stars who were playing them said let's go get them. And so you had some intensity because you had a full team that were gonna take care of each other If stuff started to go sideways, be it on the scoreboard or else ways. So you got a game that I had a competitive environment. That what the games that you and I are talking about, what we grew up watching yeah, that were competitive post 67 had men who still gave a shit. They still played with pride and did not want to get embarrassed out there.
Speaker 2:So there still was hitting. There still was penalties, for God's sake, in the 70s, and the games were low scoring, no, where nobody came close to double digits, and a lot of the scoring was, you know, 4-2, 4-3, you know sort of thing there was. I'd look at the games in the 70s. I dotted the scores with that. What you're gonna get today is you're gonna get the skills. Contest was outstanding. The, you know the draft has seemed to be vote like if you see some take it, some leave it and and you know, I think the games again.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it would have been nice and this is where they're gonna go. You know that buble and beaver are gonna be on a team next year. They're gonna actually be playing. No.
Speaker 2:They won't. Oh yeah, no, listen, not a hope in hell in that in his mother's house coat that he was wearing. Yeah, yeah, right, doesn't matter, though he's a huge hit.
Speaker 1:Oh, you know what?
Speaker 2:I. He took a warm up in full gear, went out there and he could hardly take a shot because every single player came up, wanted a picture and and Boobly, boobly, whatever I mean will you like me?
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, he's fine. You think beaver's better than no?
Speaker 2:I don't think anybody is. I could do without him, I don't care, but I understand the value of these guys. Do you know, boobly yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm a huge boobly thing yeah you are you are, I am oh
Speaker 2:no, that's fine, he's great. I'm bringing anybody, I don't care I don't have a lot of crooners anymore.
Speaker 1:He's, he's. And you know what I love. I love his music. You know what I listen. I'm not against that beaver has the. You know he's the modern yeah, music yeah. But you know what? There's something about an orchestra, a band. You know what I?
Speaker 2:mean I know, but they're not out there in the all-star game You're just talking about now, when the guys when you guys play it. But but I mean look, yeah, I don't care about well, that's what but I know we need them. They're part of the show, like it's look. The weekend was an overwhelming success. Yeah, it was. I feel it was. I'd like to hear the ratings prove that it was so.
Speaker 1:I would love to hear yeah, right or wrong, and you did say I was mostly right, yeah but I think a because the game is the game.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're never going to get a competitive hockey game. They went to three on three specifically because they said look, we play five on five, the guys don't give a shit. The goals and games are almost 20 to 20. What do we got to do? Well, we're doing three on three. People seem to like it. We know they're not going to hit and it's going to be. We'll give a million bucks to the winning team, so we'll hope that has a thing progresses in the game. It'll ratchet up the intensity a little bit, which is what's happened.
Speaker 2:Right, and you do see lower scoring affairs. For the most part, and Despite playing three on three, and you are seeing some efforts, like you saw, the host team, matthews Marner, that that group Nielander, they tried, they tried, they wanted to win that game. There's no doubt about it. If you watched it, you know what I'm talking about. They went out there and, as Mcdavids teams made it five, four, they turned it up. They turned it up a notch there and and ended up winning seven, four. So that's the best you're going to get. That's the best you're going to get today.
Speaker 2:Huh, I guess you know what I don't have to like it, no, you certainly don't, because most people in the media or anybody that speaks on a microphone, like us or mainstream, will say we'll call it a negative, a negative event. That's just seems to be inherent if you comment publicly on it. I don't know what that is.
Speaker 1:I think it's a negative about it. I just I was not pleased with the three on three of the game, but that's you know, and further what it is.
Speaker 2:That being said, but then you, you said you followed up by saying that Give me what we had in the 70s, that ain't coming back, buddy.
Speaker 1:Well, you know what? I don't have to like it, Okay.
Speaker 2:But you know, but then you're just complaining for the sake of complaining.
Speaker 1:No, what? What if it does come back? What if we change? What if there's a new league that comes out, let's even say the chicks playing professional women's league.
Speaker 2:They did there. They had a game. They had a game. Yeah, I.
Speaker 1:I didn't like the way they market. They said a three on three girl action and I mean sure they got a lot of viewers. But they misled me. I'm telling you I was misled. I thought it was gonna be something very different.
Speaker 2:But all that great way to segue off the all-star yeah but, overwhelming success ratings proved it Unbelievable weekend and I loved it.
Speaker 1:loved it all Okay perfect, okay, so we're gonna move on. So you know what we have right now, because we've post the All-star game. Yeah, apropos to that, yeah, you've got an ask Liam segment, oh, yeah, yeah, so let's go to that. Hey, welcome to our segment. We call ask Liam, which is where Viewers ask a question and then I ask Liam that question and then he tries to tell me the answer From that and if he doesn't know it, I get a pitcher of beer. But I'll be. I'll be postponing it until March, that's right.
Speaker 2:I'm saying okay, I'm dry for having you. Okay, so here's the. This is from Tom on a car phone, on the 401, I think. No, I you know what when? The hell here it's over here.
Speaker 1:Okay, I got this guy. Oh, so we were talking about the, the goals being scored and how games used To be close. Yes, okay, yes, in the Austrian yeah, has there ever been a shutout in NHL All-star game?
Speaker 2:history. There has, there has only one only one that's why I think it's significant when you ran the questions, so I mean.
Speaker 1:I have a question who gets the credit for that? Because I don't. Isn't a different goal every?
Speaker 2:period. No, that only started in 91 92. Oh so it was only two goaltenders that would play on a team in a game up at that time and that's what it was in. 1967 was the last year. So two things about the 67 year. That was the first year that they moved the All-star game to the middle of the season. It used to be played at the start of the season. Okay you play. It was the first event.
Speaker 1:All right, it was a bit kind of a, you know, sweating out the booze.
Speaker 2:More or less, I mean the season would be starting 48 hours later and stuff. But you had some interesting things. You know some, some guys who did some things because the season hadn't started. So you had some. You know some like for, for example, when the NHL rule came in that you could come out of the penalty box after a power play goal was scored, okay, so the very first game that that ever was played was an all-star game. Was an all-star game really that? That that happened in 1957-58, I Digress. But in ten years later, in 67, the Montreal Canadians were the defending Stanley Cup champions. They won the cup in 66.
Speaker 2:So playing the all-star game, so it was a 66-67 season. The next season has defending Stanley Cup champions. They played the game against collection of all-stars, okay and how many all-stars would be on that team.
Speaker 2:They the full roster so, yeah, three lines, four lines, yeah for they. Yeah, because they wanted to load it up. They wanted to load it up actually, in 67 they may have only been three lines. Come to think of it, four lines came later, came later as the NHL expanded, when they expanded teams not the first expansion, but the second one's Buffalo, vancouver Islanders, atlanta and then Washington, kansas City in 74, 72 and 70 respectively those years. But that year there may have only been three lines, and and 6d and two goaltenders, but Montreal, all-star, montreal beat the all-stars 3-0 and the goaltending duties were shared by Charlie Hodge, which is a pretty well-known name.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely he won no relation to Ken Hodge.
Speaker 2:No relation to Ken Hodge, who was going to be on our list of interviews interviewers. But our players we interviewed. But Charlie Hodge and the name that is the really good trivia question is Gary Bauman. Gary Bauman, bauman, bau MAN. He played the second period and made ten saves hog.
Speaker 1:In relation to Alex Bowman, the swimmer no relation.
Speaker 2:Okay, no relation, although I think the spelling is the same. I, I think so. I think so. I'm not positive, but I think so. But any, that's the only shutout all-star games started, other than the, the Games that were done for specific players or families because somebody had passed away, of which there was Four. Most people think there's just two, there was actually four. The first ever all-star game that was played with players that were cobbled together to play as a collection of all-stars for a charity game, was in 1908 For hod Stewart, who had drowned in the summer he's a Hall of Famer, by the way and they did a fundraiser for the families and for the family. And in that game, lester Patrick and Art Ross Shook hands two legendary names in hockey history.
Speaker 2:Yeah they shook hands and it's called historically the first-ever handshake in hockey. It's the tradition for shaking hands After a game actually began? Yeah, because they played. Not only did they play each other in that game, but they later, that same year, played each other in the first Stanley Cup and then they shook again In the Stanley.
Speaker 2:Cup in the Stanley Cup, and their teammates took witness of this, and so some of them came together and shook hands as well, because back in the day and for decades, there was no formal line when you went through when the series ended and the Stanley Cup winner was was was won. The most of the guys just came together. That's why, when you see the greatest shot, the greatest picture in NHL history is Rocket Richard and sugar Jim Henry from the Boston Bruins shaking hands. You should throw that up, actually, sugar.
Speaker 2:Jim sugar Jim Henry and rocket Richard. April of 52. After game 7 that picture and you can see other players in behind them shaking hands as well, but they're not in a line right.
Speaker 2:They just came together, but anyway, I digress so the only show that yeah the only shutout in all-star game history Was Charlie Hodge, gary Balman, montreal Canadians 1967. It was the first time that the game went to midseason. Habs won 3-0. John Ferguson got two goals. I'm really sure got one. Fergie should have got MVP, but they gave it to our Richard. Most people feel that because Fergie absolutely, he got in with Norm Almond. Okay, okay, he got in with Norm Almond. These are names everybody knows. Yeah, he got in with Norm Almond and they gave each other they were giving it to each other pretty good with sticks and then Fergie hauled off and just drilled Almond right in the nose. It was blood and everything. It wasn't called a fight. Fergie got a bunch of penalties in the all-star this way it was yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and and as a result, they gave the MVP pocket rocket. Fergie probably deserved it. Having said that, that's the only shutout in all-star game history and it's a good trivia question, because it wasn't just Charlie Hodge was. Gary Balman only played two games to the Montreal Canadians in his career. Oh, then he was picked up by the Minnesota North Stars, where he played, I believe was 32 games over two seasons before going back to the minors. He was an outstanding gold tender out NC double-a, michigan Tech, same place. Tony Esposito played right, but but he, just he couldn't. He couldn't translate it to the NHL.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's great. Well, that's that. Thanks for that. That's been ask Liam for this week and we'll be back next week with another ask, liam. Alright, we are back and you know what? We're gonna talk about some other stuff right now. Okay, one of the things I wanted to bring up is that we have this interview series, yeah, where we interview Legends, people who are famous, who are legends for many other reasons, then, and but mostly for hockey, right, yeah, and, and we're going to to show everybody this, this next legend it was the same leg. We're continuing Part two, part to part do, but because he's a franca fund, that's right, okay, yeah, so hailing from Val caron, ontario, okay, just outside of Sudbury, call this okay and formally attending, I think, confed high school or something, maybe Mack Jack, I'm not sure. I should have asked him what school he went.
Speaker 2:Well, you should have for sure, because you would know.
Speaker 1:Exactly, but I would think from where he lived he would.
Speaker 2:he would have gone to confed, Okay that's funny because we have a confed here in Ottawa. We did. I think it's cold.
Speaker 1:Yeah, or he could have. He might have gone to match, you never know, yeah, but anyways. So we're gonna continue our interview series with with Ron Dugay. So here we go.
Speaker 3:That's my first day in New.
Speaker 2:York and I'm like.
Speaker 3:So I did a few laps in the sway bowl, yeah. But to get back to fast forward, now I'm in training camp and Because now I've been taught how to train and like I'm going all summer I'm gonna make the steam Because I like what I've seen already, so I get the training camp and I'm in great shape. Now a lot of the guys like Hodges they're yeah, that's bull, roger Bear, steve Vickers. So we're sitting in I'll never forget their city in the dressing room and the trainer comes out and he brings Steve Vickers Espo might have been, hodges also is back. They hadn't opened it up yet from the season before. I Said they I'm like you guys haven't skated yet. Oh no, no, we're starting today. I'm like, oh my god, I can't believe this.
Speaker 1:You have not trained.
Speaker 3:No, first day training leaves today.
Speaker 3:Okay get on the ice and I'm like I'm gonna make, I'm going, I'm going. Well, about 20 minutes into it, I get a tap on it. Hey Espo, hey dude, you're gonna need to slow down because you're making us look bad. Okay, just kind of go at our pace and then you can pick it up after a couple weeks. We're gonna get into it. We're just getting into shape. Okay, all right, practice over back. Them's just one of they. Oh, we're having a team eating, team eating first day. Okay, great, this is serious. This place called the pub I think it's called a pub so we go over there it's probably two, one in the afternoon, and so everyone's there as a team meeting. Well, that team meeting was just getting to know each other. Well, by five o'clock, all the older guys did like they're like.
Speaker 3:You can tell they've had enough, right, so they go home to their wives and Donnie Maloney I know Donnie Maloney was not there, but grass Dave, dave Gressner, de Maloney, the singles paddock, he was there. They said okay, dude, we're going back, we're gonna go taking that, we're going back out at eight. This is the first day training camp. Oh, we did that for three weeks. I'm like how in the heck are we gonna get in shape?
Speaker 3:This world back then was a long alley, right, yeah, and so I'm thinking, wow, this is what it's like. I've never heard this in the NHL. So they were just bonding, yeah, drinking and getting to know each other, and so I had to maneuver my way through. How much do I drink? How much do I do this? I got a skate and I want to make the team so. That was my introduction to do to the New York Rangers, but I want to continue on Espo.
Speaker 3:When someone asked me who's my favorite teammate and I think I've had a lot of good teammates, fun teammates, for different reasons, but that's what was probably my favorite yeah, only because he was a combination of a father figure, yeah, and a know the brother, yeah all the brother, because he liked to have fun, yeah, and, and so I Saw what he would do on the ice and would show up here. This game face on, competed hard. He was only, I think, 36 at the time.
Speaker 3:So you still a good player. So I got to see him be the less basito, yeah, and, and that's when things were tough. So you know a lot of guys are hitting them, but he was yet a toughness to him. Yeah and so I got to see him as a player, his leadership on the ice, on in the dressing room, and then I got to travel with him on the road and hang out with them. He's just a blast, he's you also recorded a song with him. We did that also.
Speaker 3:Yeah, okay so rock yeah and so he was just a guy that had that balance of serious but fun. We got to have fun, yeah, but we got to get serious, you got to compete, every shit. So and then you know, ask what the team them went to the Estonia finals in 79 we're like led by Phyllis was evil.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and he was kind of on his way out.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and what happened is that they were trying to phase them out, but Donnie Maloney comes in right yeah, and they put Donnie on his line with Donnie Murdoch. Yeah, and all of a sudden, this line kicks in the mafia one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and they were like one of the better lines of playoffs while they're trying to get us below.
Speaker 3:All of a sudden, phil takes it to another level. Yeah, and they were a good line the playoffs to go to the finals. And one of the reasons we went to the finals because we weren't Expected even I don't think we're expecting many playoffs. Yeah, but it was. We bonded together and it's one thing that I you look at teams now. How much fun are they having, right? Yeah?
Speaker 1:because they're always divided separate.
Speaker 3:They go in different directions. Private jail let's go home. There's no hanging out. We hung out, we had a blast.
Speaker 1:We might have run out of steam by the time we hit one job.
Speaker 3:But, a lot. Of that was a guy like us both. Carol Vanden was another one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that like.
Speaker 3:To have fun. Jv was in that, john.
Speaker 3:Davison was in that we all had fun together. We played hard together, we fought for each other. But you know Espo to this day would probably because the impression that he left on me. You know he was probably my favorite. Of course I played with Gretzky. It got to see the magic. Yeah, and Gretzky, yeah, I got to play with Mary Lemieux on his line.
Speaker 3:Yeah, gretz, I didn't play with him as much when he came to the Kings, I was more a third, fourth line guy. But I got to see the magic of a Gretz, to see what he was really made of. You know, practice off the ice. And he's another guy. I guess what Gretz is like. He played hard but he wanted to have fun. Yeah, he loved his teammates and he had a passion for the game. When you look at what he went through all the Stanley Cups he won and in between, because I played Canada couple with Gretz when you look at there's no break, not much of a break. You win this Stanley Cup and all of a sudden now he's got to go play. For I know he was just happy to go.
Speaker 2:Did you see anything different with him, like in terms of practice or off ice, that made him this Like? I understand he must have been giving all of you, to a degree, some God-given talent that you then worked and Extrapolated to become what you were, but him at his level, like, did you see anything Practice or in the dressing room any, or off the ice anything that made him a little?
Speaker 3:different. He was just consistent. Yeah, he kind of he practiced the way he played. It's not like he plays at a fast pace, no, he's just a magician with the puck. You know, it's always very calm, confident, and so what you saw in the game a lot of it you saw in the ice, like he wasn't slacking off, yeah, and I've listened to several of his interviews recently and he talks about his dad, how his dad Would, would be, would speak to him with a lot of wisdom. Yeah, and he let him know early on listen, you're great, he's great, you see how you're great, but you have to be great all the time. You can't slack off. And Gretz talked about he played the one game. I think I don't know how old he was, maybe 12. He was at the end of the season and it was kind of an exhibition game and Gretz didn't take it real seriously and they lost eight one and his dad on the way home addressed it.
Speaker 2:Say so, gretz, um and a lot of people want to go see him, right, yeah?
Speaker 3:Phenom, right of course, and they lost eight one and and the dad was talking so hard you feel you played okay. But he said you know, it's no big deal, it's just not. And that's when he said look it, just so you know you have a lot of people come up watch you and so that's kind of a pressure on you, but you have to be on all the time, yeah and it and Gretz is I took that for the rest of my career, he said.
Speaker 3:Even every time I played an exhibition game, he said I took it like it was a game seven.
Speaker 1:And so that's kind of what I saw him.
Speaker 3:There was no slacking off. It's not like he had to be first in line, but when he practiced he practiced well and you didn't see him sloppy. Yeah, and he was. He was just a quiet leader. It's the same thing as Mary LeMue. The same thing. Quiet leader, yeah, not the loudest in the dressing room. When they do say something there's a lot of importance to it, yeah, but just quiet leader. And they just, they like to have fun but they perform. So, um, I don't know what was your question on Gretz.
Speaker 2:I think you just answered it. I don't, I don't, I seriously don't think it could have answered any pop any better.
Speaker 1:All right, welcome back. And you know what we love shooting the shot, the shot. We love shooting the shot with all these guys. And you know what I we have to put out a major thank you to our sponsor for that segment. Yep, the show is uh, give Patterson of emerald cloverdale and anderson links. Yes, sir, okay, yeah, all three golf courses. And uh, so that it was my home golf course Was emerald links, yeah, right. Yet yet I will tell everybody right here, nothing to do with me, wanted nothing to do with me. I come, I got this, I got a great sales pitch, everything like that. He goes oh, leon maguire, yeah, sure, okay, and so, um, you know, I could we just tell us like, wasn't that funny?
Speaker 2:Uh, wasn't it great when we sat down with gib and he ended up agreeing to come on and then you and I were finishing Breakfast and everything else, and I think I'll give the need, I don't think that day, I think he was just having a coffee and, uh, I ran by him, the conversation I had with him the first time that I met him, and he remembered it instantly, instantly, what I asked him about arnold rice, and right away he went oh, the gravel pits on the first line. He remembered it instantly chris, that's 40 years ago.
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Speaker 1:Yeah, that's an old, that's an old school thought and it's like Nothing wrong with that, no, I you know what, but, but it was. You know. It's something you can't say now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you can't, yeah, but but he can and uh and I'm sure nobody really lost an eye over it or whatever. But yeah, today there'd be a thousand people ups and our up in arms or whatever. But I love it. We thank him for coming on board. He's been a long time friend, I know his wife, I know his family and uh, thanks Gibb for coming on, buddy, and I love the fact he remembered that uh initial conversation all those years ago. It's fantastic.
Speaker 1:Well, and you know what? So, as a result, I'm having my, I'm having a, the Ottawa inaugural. Uh, hickory challenge, yeah, this July the 19th. Okay, at Emerald links, wow.
Speaker 1:Yeah, big big, big, big to do baby, awesome giving away. So here's the thing On. There's four par four, par threes. Yeah, there's cars. A trip to Ireland not with us on this time Okay, a different one. They're full for two people. Yeah, to Ireland, okay, on this, there's a couple of products, slash services, companies that are putting up, but all 25 000 prizes on the par threes Wow, incredible man, good for you, good for you and at.
Speaker 1:Emerald at Emerald. It's gonna be at Emerald, so we're doing that. It's also good. And it's the first ever Hickory event in the auto area. Okay, pre 1935 golf clubs, the first event since before 1935. They haven't had a hickory event like this since 1935. Well, paying back, give already. Well, this is the thing I'm doing. That, but also it's what I love. It's gonna be established. It's gonna be a great time. Uh, I'm gonna be there. Uh, liam, you're gonna be there.
Speaker 2:Probably what day of the week is it?
Speaker 1:It's a Friday, okay. Yeah, yeah what do you mean Probably?
Speaker 2:Yeah, what am I doing?
Speaker 1:You gotta commit your playing golf with my, with my, my kind of clubs.
Speaker 2:Where am I gonna? I don't have a set of I'm getting.
Speaker 1:I'm everyone's got a set of clubs we're gonna share, they're gonna share. So each two, some two man scramble. Okay, so you're not on your own. Okay, two man scramble.
Speaker 1:Okay, you share clubs with your. All, right, I'm in, okay, yeah, yeah, I feel bad because I play with Liam sometimes and I have not had good rounds any time I played with you. It is unbelievable that I've shot like at best in the 90s. Well, it's a tough sport. Well, no, I yeah, but I, it's not my regular play and so it frustrates me, right, and I was like, okay now, let me say your swing on video.
Speaker 1:You know what? There's three things you should never do. Watch yourself on video with a golf swing, sex or hockey. You're gonna be fucking disappointed, no matter what I know. But that's how you get better, no.
Speaker 2:That's actually specifically listen.
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Speaker 1:Right, yeah, now, okay. So moving on, this week was the premiere Okay, yeah, of a new documentary Called the chosen one, and it's not about god or jesus, yeah, it's about alexander dade. Yeah, okay, the otawa Prospect, the otawa first-round draft pick, all that stuff, uh, and you know what? Have you seen it? No, you know what? It's actually quite good, I'm sure it is. You know it's quite good and I'll tell you, it gave me a very complete. I always felt bad for the poor kid. Okay, uh, it makes me feel even more bad for him and it was completely A whole new perspective on on him and is it?
Speaker 1:Yeah, because there's this idea that alexander dade didn't give a shit about hockey, and you know what it does. That does not come through as a matter of fact. It's the exact opposite that he loved playing hockey and he loved playing hockey so much that he went and played in europe after. Yeah, he didn't need to, but he wanted to and he went around, he bounced around, but you know what a couple of times so he had, and he tells part within this story. He tells the story of how he had been doing. Well, he was in, yeah, and he had a great, you know whatever season. It was okay and, and at the time I think he was with the Philadelphia Flyers, okay, okay, and he had a great season.
Speaker 1:He comes back in and the next year Bobby Clark was the GM at the time and the coach was a Rodney Wilson okay, yeah, and he says You're gonna become a defensive forward. He was well, I just scored 26 goals, I want to hit 30. Oh, he goes that you know, no, not doing it here, you're gonna be, you're becoming a defensive forward and within a short period of time, you got Traded because they didn't utilize it. They decided and it's one of the things that happens in the NHL, right, and some guys can't adapt, or you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:He didn't want to become a selky trophy winner, he wanted to become a rocket Richard trophy winner, sure, right, yeah. And so politics, and you know positioning, not to mention Bobby Clark, didn't like a number of the things that he had done. He had gone to LA and he was dating Pamela Anderson and you know that wasn't like, so in a lot of ways he was a victim of his personality on top of you know what I mean, and and that politics got into hockey. I, you know what I, I really I really felt for the kid actually, and and you know, being a guy who you know understands growing up, you know, and like most of us who are watching this, understand, growing up, dreaming of playing in the NHL and hockey and how we love it and why I still play in my u65 league, yep okay, I'm calling it now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's good, I need the use. Well, jardina, the boys call the over 90 exactly.
Speaker 1:Well, let's see the, the u65 league. I made it. Yeah, I mean so playing in that, lee, I feel I Feel like you know we play because we love to play hockey. That absolutely right, yeah, and I, and I got that sense that he loves the sport and and is he sad and disappointed that his career didn't, you know, reach the Rumble of his heights? Sure, absolutely.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I haven't seen it. I will try and throw an eyeball on it. However, I do feel that I know his whole story. That's why I kind of went through back sort of a question, mostly rhetorical, but, you know, is there really anything new? Because I know I'm one of the only few people that probably remember this, but Alexander Deg did an op-ed piece.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yes a very, very detailed one about his career, yeah, and it was very open, very raw and very honest about dealings with his dad, dealings about how he really felt about the game, dealings with the pressure going first overall, the contract, the nurses outfit, the whole nine yards that happened here in Ottawa between his draft year and the time till Ottawa moved him Right. And you know, even in through the world, juniors and everything, and and I just thought you know and I've also had the opportunity to work with Alex a couple times he's not the warmest guy. He does not, like a lot of alumni, go out of his way or he certainly didn't in the events that I worked with him, very like, kind, but not not really a guy that went out of his way to make sure that the people who have paid a good buck are getting the most enjoyment out of a guy who does carry a pedigree, has a first overall played in the NHL and Did whatever.
Speaker 1:But is it because People treat him differently? Like you know, he does mention, he goes, you know, you know he meets somebody and they bring up the nurses uniform or sure to him in these situations right.
Speaker 2:And it's like you know he's gonna carry with him the rest of his life. But I guess somebody must have thought enough. First of all, all these, all these special channels are dying for content. Anyway, I'm not saying look you watch it. You said it was good. That's good enough for me for content.
Speaker 1:We've got a hockey show. Yeah, okay, a webcast, using three cameras. By the way, actually, to be fair, there's actually four cameras, because the sound has a camera on it too, because that's how we sink in the past.
Speaker 2:Yeah so it's a four camera shoot.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, this is like and I'm editing this thing, I'm there.
Speaker 2:I know bud, I know.
Speaker 2:I'm the fucking Steven Spielberg of Ottawa of Greeley of Greeley, which I love, yeah, hey, listen, I'll finish on this note. I will job. Definitely I'll try and watch all things hockey, yeah, so I'll try and throw an eyeball on it. I said I've worked a couple gigs of them. It hasn't been the best, I'm not gonna lie. You know it hasn't been the best, for whatever reason. I wish the guy well. But did you blow smoke up his ass? Of course I did. I have to interview him on micro. I had to introduce him on microphone. I sang his praises like he was walking on water, like I do for all guys. I mean, that's what Liam McGuire does. I'll make you look like you're a ten-time Stanley Cup winner that scored a cajillion goals by the time I get finished doing an introduction.
Speaker 1:Well, fuck it, start with me okay, I will.
Speaker 2:I'll introduce you before our next show and I could do it and I and I have done it. I've been doing it for 43 years, so he's no different than Thousands of other guys that I've introduced doing shows. However, he comes in with a pretty high pedigree given, yeah, you know the status here is the second, you know, ottawa's first, first overall guy. A few years later they take Chris Phillips. That Yashin went here before number two and behind hammerlick, as we all know. But whatever, I'm just when I saw the documentary, I didn't even know was being made and then I saw that, whatever you want to call it, and it's always coming out, it's going what, what's gonna be? Because that op-ed piece, it revealed everything, like he revealed all his warts in In that, which was. It had to be several thousands of words, like it was anyway he rolled it.
Speaker 1:You know, what's a revealing part of it is that he still loves the game. Well, and that was not yeah parent in the op-ed, because he was at a low point in his life, that's good, you'll also have to that's a good point. You know and listen. He was a young man, still at that point, discussing you know and how to deal with things, and even says, like you look back, how are you going to articulate? You know what I mean in his second language to not not to like.
Speaker 2:English is not his first language, no, but he sees a freka funness, yes, but he's very, very good in English. That's not. That was no hindrance. I don't think, I don't know you know, he was a Bill Master in nominee for the Minnesota Wild in 2003. I thought that was the biggest sign of a pendulum coming back. Yeah, given that it wasn't necessarily statistically Related although you still have to have some numbers and he had a real decent season for the wild playing for Jacques Le Maire.
Speaker 1:Yeah who.
Speaker 2:I think maybe there was some kindred spirit there. French Canadian, whatever Understanding, not that Jacques was ever a high draft pick, but signing, you know, playing for Montreal. You understand, and I thought I was. So I was thrilled yeah, thrilled for Alex in that and if I saw him here today I'd be thrilled to see him again and shake his hand. I'm only being honest. He's worked. I've worked a couple events of him. He hasn't, it hasn't been the best. I'll watch the show and it is what it is. You want to talk about it. I haven't seen it.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna recommend it. It's on, it's on prime and it's called the chosen one. Yeah, and he was chosen he was that?
Speaker 2:look, it cost Bruce Firestone a hundred thousand dollars. I mean when he Sought in that Quebec bar and said that we're tanking so we can get dig, and the NHL find him a hundred grand. So there you go. Yeah, lots of. Says they weren't taking it, though Okay, Sure, just like Pittsburgh wasn't tanking in 84 to get Mario in the turtle race with the New Jersey Devils. Yeah, yeah, oh no, we're not tanking. But we haven't had a win since four Christmases ago. But yeah, we're not tanking.
Speaker 1:All right, speaking about four Christmases ago. Yeah, okay, it's not Christmas, okay, but it's time to do this week in hockey history.
Speaker 3:Hello Canada. Lafleur coming out rather gingerly back to the oh this week in hockey history.
Speaker 1:All right, Liam. It's February the 7th. Oh baby, date that will live in infamy Apparently okay, so we are doing. Welcome back to our this week in hockey history, Just deal yeah and so, liam, I'm asking you what happened on this date in hockey history and be kind rewind.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's. You know I mean it's a tough one for you Bruin fans, obviously with Darryl Sittler's 10-point night. But when you look at the week that was, chris, as we try and roll out this week in hockey and we pick a date, it's impossible not to not to stop and start, or start and stop. On February 7 76 Darryl Sittler, six goals for assist NHL record. No one's even had nine. He's the only guy with ten likely ever will be and Beat your Boston Bruins. Unfortunately 11 for that night.
Speaker 2:And there's so much of these poor Dave Reese, his 13th and final game in the NHL. The guy had some wins earlier. He had shutouts. He didn't look like it was going to all go for, not on that fateful night where so many things went wrong. Sittler caught lightning in a bottle. Don cherry didn't want to put Jerry cheevers in who had just resigned from the WHA, so he was wanted to give him that night off because he knew the Leafs were just on in one of those roles. So unfortunately Reese got hung out to dry, was in net for all 11 goals.
Speaker 2:You know it was Saturday night, february 7, 76. The Leafs won 114. Darrell got 10 points, which means somebody on Toronto got a goal that Darrell didn't get a point on. That was George Ferguson. The goal he has mentioned. You said Dave Reese. The game started at 8.07, ended at 10.27. Darrell's number is 27. The Darrell scored six goals at night, giving him 27 on the season, the at that time. At that time the Bruins were in second place, the Leafs were in seventh and and you've got all of these configurations to the numbers to seven from that night. It's just one of those statistical.
Speaker 1:What is it Like? Did you like come up with the idea for the fucking TV show lost with all these number combinations? I should have. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:I should have, I'd be worth a few more bucks in the hands today baby, you know if I had to come up with an idea like that.
Speaker 2:So I'm always looking for those and and they, yeah, because in hockey they seem to be prevalent and and you would think and I'm sure if I I'm not a baseball Fictionado, but maybe some of the people who are really into those stats could, could give some similar, but in hockey they seem like the bobby, or one, yeah, the number 70 associations. There's nothing like it, nothing like it in the world. But that night For Sittler, uh, you've got all those anomalies as well, and and to relate it to 27, I think it's, I think it's pretty cool. And even when he broke the record with his ninth point, he got it at the, at the, at the 10, 27 mark. I believe it was the third period. So again, 9, 27 or 10, 27, but it was definitely the 27 second mark, and again, another 27 relation. So it was, um, it was an unbelievable night and, uh, it'll stand forever in NHL history. You can't imagine with gratsky not not being able to tie it. You know, despite connor, I know sam ghanye A ten years ago had an eight point game for ebbonton as well, that against chicago as well, with so many, so many big milestone games in gratsky's career against either vancouver, chicago, but no it.
Speaker 2:Listen, chris, I am doing this this week in hockey it's got to start and stop on sitlers 10-point night and 76 for him. He had a five goal playoff game. That year he scored the cup winner in overtime or the canada cup winner in overtime. That year he had a hundred point season in the nhl. That year I mean derral siddler didn't win his down the cup or playing his down the cup final, but he sure as hell had a hall of fame for it.
Speaker 1:More over, he was the heartthrob of most girls in in Sudbury Ontario.
Speaker 2:Remember you telling me that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the derral siddler number 27 years, a lot, a lot of chicks had that and uh, you know he was. You know what I I? I have to say that While I don't like the Toronto Maple Leafs, I like a lot of Toronto Leaf players.
Speaker 2:Oh, I think there's a lot of us would be in that in that category for sure, how do? You not like sitler? You got it. You have to first of all after 76. No, how could you not? Yeah how could you not like sitler? I mean it. He played the game fairly. He would fight if need be. He was tough. He was very, very tough, decent fighter, obviously an incredible he wore cooperalls.
Speaker 2:For christ sake, he wore cooperalls. He was one of the guys, yeah, one of the guys. He was on the flyers at that time and when they wore them with the Hartford whalers, only two teams to wear that aborted mess. And and uh, yeah, daryl's part of that history too. So he sees, you know, he got traded in. Uh, when he got traded to the flyers, he recorded his 1,000th point in the NHL to the day. The day. The day after the trade. He was a member of the flyers. I recorded, but just a terrible, terrible split with the Leafs and Harold Ballard. It's just absolutely terrible.
Speaker 1:You're saying that something ended poorly with Harold Ballard.
Speaker 2:I know shocking news.
Speaker 1:All right, Well listen, that was this week in hockey history. That was this week in hockey history, but I'm gonna add to that Because that guy there is turning 90 years old. 90 years old is Don Cherry, February 5th. February 5th, okay, so passed, but it was still this week. You know what I mean February 5th.
Speaker 2:Throw it or shout out anyway. Throw a, shout out, anyway. I put a post up on social media just ping like crazy. Yeah, you did it. No, thousands, thousands.
Speaker 1:Everybody loves Don Cherry.
Speaker 2:Not everybody, oh no, the comments are so reprehensible Really On social media.
Speaker 1:What would they say? What did they say?
Speaker 2:Oh, they'd say, every time he's trending, there's a segment of the population go on and say damn, I thought he was dead, you know. So really, really reprehensible stuff.
Speaker 1:What are these like? Why do they think he was a witch?
Speaker 2:Well, because they call him a misogynist, racist and xenophobic old foggy stayed past his prime and this sat and everything else, and largely fueled by how he was dismissed from Hockey Night in Canada.
Speaker 1:So you know what? Here's the thing.
Speaker 1:Okay, I as a entertainer which he was, let's face it, he was a broadcaster, but he was there for entertainment value, right? Yeah, he was there to say things that are provocative, that he's going to push the envelope to do those things. Now, all that being said, he wanted, he liked his Canadian players, okay, yeah, and he has some history with, you know, the international side of the game not being pleasant, Okay, so maybe that has shaped part of his view. I never thought of him and I could be wrong, but you know what? I don't think of him as a racist, okay, I really don't. I can't and I can't take a look at a 90-year-old person who grew up in a very different era with very different surroundings around them and label them like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, I think you know you were going on about a diatribe last week or a couple weeks ago about the, about people hiding behind their keyboards and saying these things, and you know what I mean. You don't know the thing, but you know what. I would like to say this, not in a vicious way but these people who make judgments of other people okay, who are going to judge somebody from history, okay, or from another time, with the same knowledge and you know, and maturity and I don't know essence that we have today, you cannot if you go to somebody who has never seen a car 18, 1881, whatever, let's say 1881.
Speaker 2:The shooting of the OK Corral Was that what they were doing October 26th 1881.
Speaker 1:All right so buddy shows up in a Tesla right Ha ha ha ha, the McCrory's out of had a Tesla. You know, the Erpson the.
Speaker 2:Doc.
Speaker 1:Holiday man turned around, but they're two different.
Speaker 2:you cannot judge those people the same way you judge the no, but he was judged that night and what he said was wrong, and he you know what?
Speaker 1:no, and I'm gonna actually defend him because what he said was misconstrued.
Speaker 2:No, it wasn't.
Speaker 1:No, no, I just hear me out for a second.
Speaker 2:I know because you're about to say you're gonna get wrong. Why? Because you're with the majority who don't actually know what he said, how he said it. You're gonna get it wrong, but go ahead, okay well, I, you know what.
Speaker 1:I did see it now from my recollection. Yeah, he was talking about a poppy. He was talking about remember and stay, yes, okay. And he said that these people come here, want our milk and honey and all that stuff, yeah, okay, but they don't want to respect, okay, we're a poppy. Basically, that was the whole idea behind it. He misspoke. I'm not saying that what he said was eloquent or articulate.
Speaker 2:No, of course not.
Speaker 3:Or what he said was.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean, but I think the spirit in what he was saying was not anti any particular race or group of people. I think it was a listen you were with us, or again us. You're gonna come to Canada, you become a Canadian and you become part of it. And Phyllis Pizito said the same thing. Now, granted, he's also over 80, okay, imagine that. Okay, yeah, a thought process where somebody believes that if you are and we welcome people to our country, okay, yeah. But you know what? Then embrace our way of life, because that is why and I think that was the spirit in which he said it no, first of all, it wasn't these people, it was you people.
Speaker 2:So fundamentally you're wrong right off the start. For you're fundamentally wrong in a much more significant way in that he definitely misspoke and he definitely the entire diatribe that led up to that. First of all, I have written a two-part backstory to what happened in my opinion and it's published. It's on social media and anybody watching that would like to see it. You message me and I'll send it to you.
Speaker 2:Because when Grape's comes up in conversation as I travel the country doing trivia, doing gigs, and he comes up in conversation and we go to that date and the majority of people have it incorrectly as to what went down that night, as to why it went down, as to what happened with Ron McClain, as to what happened with Don when he misspoke and what he should have said and had he been given the opportunity to come back on the air, which he was requesting to do and was summarily not given that opportunity, because they did want to put certain language and verbiage in his mouth which we do not know to this day what that was, but he refused to do it. So they said we're done and, ironically, on all days to be dismissed, he was dismissed on Remembrance Day in 2019.
Speaker 1:So I have a question for you, though. Yeah, you corrected me and it wasn't these people. No, okay, it was you people, yeah.
Speaker 2:So he was you people who come here. So he identified immigrants. So he said you people?
Speaker 1:Yes, so we're talking. This is more of an issue with pronouns then. I just want to point that out. This is the first pronoun guy.
Speaker 2:He screwed up and he knows he did, which is why he wanted to go on the air.
Speaker 1:Is it now, and in it what?
Speaker 2:he should have said Chris was anybody and everybody in Canada he should not have singled out immigrants.
Speaker 1:And if you read my story, I see what you're saying. So you're saying okay and just you're saying that. Do you remember how the coaches corner started that night.
Speaker 2:No, you, don't.
Speaker 1:No, I don't.
Speaker 3:Nobody watching this does.
Speaker 2:I'm the only one who remembers. I know the date. I know what happened November 2nd and I know what happened the next week, November 9th. That never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever happened before in the 33 years that he did coaches corner. So tell me, tell us Jesus. Okay, he ran the bit with him at the grave site in France which is so powerful and so amazing. Now, that obviously wasn't done every single year. That started relatively well into his domain.
Speaker 2:Yeah, tenure yeah, ten year at coaches corner, but the deal was the deal, or what grapes would do? He would run that always on the Saturday closest to November 11th, no matter which Saturday. He ran that that year on November 2nd, saturday November 2nd, and right away I'm going. Why is he running this? Now there's another Saturday. Next Saturday is November 9th.
Speaker 1:So you think he made a mistake on the dates?
Speaker 2:Oh no, oh, no, no, I think that I think, look, I'm gonna give away some of what I wrote. Not that I was paid for it, so I don't care. This is just, I just wrote my own opinion. I believe he was told at the start of the season that it was gonna be his last year.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:And I think he because you have to remember that came out publicly from Steve Simmons. Steve Simmons put out in August a tweet that Don Cherry did not have a contract for the season, which blew up Twitter Right, right, 98% people like myself and you fans of grapes winding them back on, wondering what the hell's going on. What do you mean? Doesn't have a contract that forced Don to come on Twitter, which he did through Kathy there he had personal assistant and he alluded to before that.
Speaker 2:He just gives her the ideas, she tells her what the type she puts it in. He's not a Twitter user himself. But it didn't happen that day, the next day or the next day. It was a few days later because I believe that he did not have a contract, right, and I believe he went to the boys at Rogers and said, hey, like Steve Simmons, put somebody who's spilled the beans here and now let's get a deal, let's get it done. I wanna go on and say I'm coming back. Oh, yeah, done, that's just my theory. Yeah, grapes, yeah, built that, yeah. So let's see, you're 86, turning 87, oh, we're gonna make this one more year Sound good, don. One more year and then that's it. Now I believe this was the fifth executive producers of Hockey Night in Canada that have been there, and Don's tenure on Coach's Corner and I don't think he liked that one bit.
Speaker 1:Well, you know what? Here's the thing. I don't think he liked that one bit. I don't like it one bit either. Again, just my theory. You don't cancel a fucking winning thing, but it wasn't winning anymore.
Speaker 2:The ratings had gone down.
Speaker 3:Look, you're getting all sorts of other stuff.
Speaker 2:No, I know it doesn't matter. The fact is is that, in my opinion again, he's not the same guy. After Rose died, the nature of the show changed. It's way too focused on the time, always complaining to Ron what do you mean? It's almost over. Like Graves, say your three points and get out of dodge. He had seven minutes. He never took seven. He always took eight. He pushed it to eight, sometimes nine. That's what happened that night. Ron McClain's got the thing in his ear. Producers are screaming at him.
Speaker 3:He's not even listening to Don.
Speaker 2:First of all, he ran the clip from the grave site on the second, which he's never, ever done before he runs it again on the ninth. I watched it as I wrote. That day I was at a celebration of life for a good friend of mine's 50-year-old sister that passed away, you know where we were.
Speaker 2:We were at a Legion. We were at a Legion in Bell's Corners and we went in there where the average age at the celebration of life was probably 65 to 70, average age. I counted about eight poppies out of 50 people in there. You know why? Because even when Tommy and I were walking into that thing, I said Heather, where's your poppy? He said where's yours. I said, oh shit, man, they must have fallen off.
Speaker 2:So we went in, we threw five bucks in the thing and threw two more poppies on. There were tons of men and women men and women who would have had siblings or relatives that fought in the war that absolutely support veterans to the end of the grief. They're having a celebration of life at the Legion and the majority of people in there didn't have a poppy on. What Graves needed to say that night was all Canadians should wear a poppy. And furthermore, as he went on the diatribe after he did some hockey analysis and then very quickly turned his attention to repeating what he had done the week before, only wrapped it up a degree. He went right after his inference, like you have to be an idiot not to know who he was talking about.
Speaker 1:But immigrants come from all over and immigrants are from all kinds. My family came, okay, immigrants.
Speaker 2:My dad was an immigrant, exactly. It doesn't matter, that's not what he was talking about.
Speaker 1:So what was he talking about? It's my question. What are you saying? He said come on, really Honest to God. Here's the thing.
Speaker 2:He's talking about driving from Toronto to Mississauga and the type of people he was seeing on the street. He said that publicly in Coach's Corner.
Speaker 3:He's talking about a specific people, so a specific people, and then he said yes he was, and then you people who come here.
Speaker 2:He couldn't have singled it out more. I mean, the Canceled Culture Society had a road paved with gold to light up the phone lines and start the process where, finally, after all these years and the thing is where, to your point, from seven or eight minutes ago, the ratings have plummeted for the intermissions, because the people who largely forced the hands of Rogers to dismiss grapes are not hockey fans. No, they're not hockey fans. They weren't watching anyway, so they just wanted him out. And so the ones that were laughter guys like you and me going come on, like the grapes is 86. The old man yelling at the cloud, give him a rap on the knuckles. Let him go on and say I met all Canadians and get on with the rest of our room. I mean, at some point Coach's Corner was gonna end. I'm assuming you didn't expect him to be doing it till he was 90, did you Well? If you could, okay, well.
Speaker 1:I have a question Did you watch some? No, but then yeah, I mean, he couldn't even talk, okay. So let me ask you this though Okay, you're an old man and I am no you are.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm getting my 60s, so I'm old, you are.
Speaker 1:Sure listen, you are listen. Next year you won't be on the U65 team, no, okay.
Speaker 3:No.
Speaker 1:So actually, not even this year. It's this year, that's right. So you're gonna be like no longer qualified for the U65 team? No, you gotta be in the U80 team, that's right. Okay, 90 and older, so listen. So at that point, but when are you going to stop? And I don't see a time that you're going to stop. Stop what? Because, exactly, stop what? Stop what you love, which is commenting, which is hockey trivia, which is all that.
Speaker 2:So don't tell me, not at 64, I'm not saying that. No, but you know what? Look, they had to force Bob Cole out. Okay, trust me, did. Yeah, because he couldn't even get the names right anymore. You know, I mean, look, Graves was having trouble finishing his thoughts in coach's corner and that's being gracious to say. Not only that, his voice was going Every week he had a hard time physically. These are just physical things that were happening with him, Like at some point in time there comes a time.
Speaker 1:So when do we get rid of Joe Biden because of the same things? Well, when do we get rid of people?
Speaker 2:No, but in this I don't know, I don't know I don't want to.
Speaker 1:I look at that. I'm not saying you get rid of them, but I call ages of them.
Speaker 2:I don't disagree. I don't think they did the wrong thing in St, which I don't even know that they did. This is just speculation on my part that I think because when Steve Simmons who's pretty connected and most people hate him Steve Simmons said Graves didn't have a contract, I believe he was right. And I believe Don contacted Rogers and said let's get it going. And they did, and I think they told him one more year and I think he said to himself oh yeah, I'll just see how that works here. Boys, I go out on my terms.
Speaker 1:I'm not saying he circled a date, but coincidentally, and he was going to push the envelope as much as he could in his five week years.
Speaker 2:Look, he's been on the poppy thing for a while. This isn't his first time, but this particular time he really, if he hadn't have said all what he did in leading up to the you people who come here, then that's the thing. It's not just you people, he said, you people who come here, like he 1,000% identified immigrants, when what he really should have said and I absolutely substantiated that by writing about being in a legion that day with the majority of people not wearing a poppy, and that's wrong, there's no question. No, it's wrong, chris, to you and I, because everybody should put a poppy on minimally that day, if not leading up to it. But if those people who were in their 70s and 80s, for whatever reason, didn't want to put one on, they're no less Canadian to me.
Speaker 1:Well, no, but at the same time we don't do enough flag-waving in this country.
Speaker 2:That's just the fucking nature of Canada.
Speaker 1:It's been that way forever and look at it.
Speaker 2:We look at the people to the south of us, and the states are always going to be old glory, front and center 24-7. We don't do it here, although periodically and then if we do too much, our neighbors are going to go? Hey, settle down I know Okay.
Speaker 2:Graves was never that way right. Graves was our champion. Graves was Canada first to a fault. But where's the fault? There was no fault. No, I love it. I loved it. I loved it forever. But I knew that night when I watched it and I watched it intently because of November 2nd, the week before, I said how's this going to go? Because he ran the gravesite thing the week before, which he'd never done Two weeks in a row Ever. So now he's running it again and that led into it. And I think he said okay, I'm going to hammer some people here and he did Not. Ever I was expecting how this thing was going to blow up.
Speaker 3:And then originally and again.
Speaker 2:I know I'm the only one who remembers all this. Originally, he absolutely stuck to his guns, he wasn't backing down, he took nothing back and everything else. So what? 24 hours after that, don Cherry was backing down and he was willing to go back on again. And he was given interviews at Joe Warrenton, who became his conduit, his media conduit in the Toronto Sun, and he was saying yeah, you know what?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'd like to get back on and have an opportunity. And then, when he was dismissed and Joe went back to him and said what happened? Yeah, they gave me the language and I didn't agree with it. So they said that's it, called it a day and that has his own expression is to the loo, you know, to the loo, that's it. So he went out on his sword, he went out on his shield, he went out the way we all probably wanted Don Cherry to go and unfortunately it wasn't for going crazy about a fight or a brawl or something on the ice. It was off the ice and it brought in immigrants, which is, as we know, a Canadian thing. Line the boats up and bring them all in, and and you know you don't sound like you're happy about it.
Speaker 2:I am happy about it. It's a Canadian way, but I mean, my dad was an immigrant, so it's a Canadian way. And the bottom line is Graves, miss Spoke, and he paid the ultimate price.
Speaker 1:So, so, let me, let me go on from there, because you know, I again say we cannot judge people who are 90 years old, who were born. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2:In a oh, you can be judged if you're on. If you're in a national TV format, you can be judged.
Speaker 1:Well, you know what and and and but, and. Then the other question was and is at what point? Okay, and this is just a freedom of speech argument, okay, so at what point do we allow people, whether you like it or not, to say what they think, to say what they feel? And I think there are a lot of people who would like to say something about many different things, but are afraid because and when we have an environment, that's right, when we have an environment of fear of people to say something, that's wrong in this country, that's wrong in any country. But when you have an environment of being afraid of saying something that you believe or that's on your mind or what have you, there's something wrong.
Speaker 1:So, happy birthday to Don Cherry. Yeah, I guess, at the end of the day, don't drink and drive. Okay, so that that was a rabbit hole. So this is the rabbit hole episode. What else are we going to talk about? Did we? We introduced, we did all this stuff? We're you know what. This is time to wrap up our show.
Speaker 2:I think so.
Speaker 1:Okay, so I, I for one, would like to thank you for joining us, watching us, sharing us, liking us, sharing us with your friends, your family, for all those Europeans and stuff you want to send any immigrants you want to get to throw our way to watch the show. We like them too. We're non-discriminatory.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:We're going to another country next fall, so we are going, we got yeah, it's our home country, though. That's the thing. Okay well, but it's not.
Speaker 2:We're Canadians. We're Canadians.
Speaker 3:You're right.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:You're Canadian Irishman as as as well. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, I don't even agree with that. I know he said it, he can say it, but I don't say it. I'm Canadian. My dad was Irish. My ancestry is Irish.
Speaker 1:My nationality is Canadian. That's right Now. What if you had an Irish citizenship? Well, you could say you were Irish too. But you should do it. Your dad was Irish. You can be. You can become an Irish citizen, I suppose. Yeah, yeah, and even at this age, even at this age, yeah, okay, you're still using 65. I only got a few months. You have a few months to get on with it. Get on with it. I mean, at the end of the day, you know I don't have it. I'm another generation.
Speaker 2:I'd rather get a Nexus before my Irish citizenship. Yeah, okay, all right, we'll get that.
Speaker 1:It's nice because you know if you get through a Nexus line you don't have to take your shoes off.
Speaker 2:I know, I always wear the boots right.
Speaker 1:So it takes a lot of you don't even have to take your laptop out.
Speaker 2:Wait, shut this, I'm going to tell you I'll get right into the story just about the two. Okay. Our transit through security, Our transit through relationship our traveling let alone the Air Canada woes, but just going through various securities.
Speaker 1:Well, you know what? Just so we know. I just want to be for the record. Okay, I will take everything back that I've ever said about Air Canada, every negative thing. Yeah, if you sponsor our show, there you go, you know. I just want to point out I can be bought. Okay, I want you to understand that I am for sale. I can sponsor this week in hockey. They can sponsor this week in hockey. That's what Air Canada should do. They should, yeah, they should I mean listen?
Speaker 1:there's nothing Then we will love them endlessly, so all right. Well, this has been Offside with Haas McGuire. I'm Haas, I'm McGuire, get it.
