Offside with Hawes and Maguire
Offside: with Hawes and Maguire is not your typical hockey show. This weekly
45-60 minute show is a potent combination of humour and genuine hockey insights that pushes the envelope.
- Liam is renowned for his photographic memory, lively storytelling, vast hockey knowledge and sometimes over-the-top passion for the game of hockey.
- Chris is known for his unrehearsed humour, contagious laughter and uncanny ability to make even the most serious debates end in boisterous guffaws.
Between the two, there is an infectious enthusiasm and professional chemistry that is evident from the outset. It can only be described as lightning in a bottle.
Offside with Hawes and Maguire
HAPPY BIRTHDAY Robert Gordon ORR ! Hockey Canada is culpable in child endangerment. Post St. Paddy's Pub Tales and Shooting the Shot with Bruins Legend- Ken Hodge,
As the clink of glasses echoed through Liam Maguire's on St. Patrick's Day, we found ourselves amidst tales of hockey and heart. Pull up your favourite bar stool and join us, Hawes and McGuire, as we recount the kinship of pub regulars and lace up our skates to discuss the spirited rivalries of our local hockey leagues. What starts as a celebration of community bonds quickly pivots to the Hosie and Brown Hockey Pool drama, where a trip to Ireland is on the line. We share Rory's educational pursuits and muse on the impact of learning on future generations, weaving a narrative that's as rich and complex as a perfectly poured pint of stout.
We don't hold back on the tough discussions, delving into the complexities surrounding transgender athletes and their place in the competitive arena—all while tipping our caps to the local taverns that preserve the stories of hockey's past.
Ever wondered how sports history intertwines with the revelry of St. Paddy's Day? We've got stories that bring together iconic jerseys, the fervour of hockey fans, and technology's hold over young audiences. This episode is a tapestry of moments—like the Kilikov/ Sheary controversial hit and debates on contact in youth hockey—that showcase the evolving landscape of the sport we love.
Join us as we skate a lap around the rink of hockey history, from the O'Brien Cup's legacy to intimate recollections with legends like Bobby Orr and finally Shootin' the Shot with Ken Hodge. These stories are the heartbeats of our beloved game, and they remind us of the joy we find in every slap shot and hat trick. So cozy up and let the nostalgia wash over you like the cheers of a crowd after a game-winning goal; this episode of Offside with Hawes & Maguire is a celebration of the sport, the community, and the legends that have left their mark on the ice and in our hearts.
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Speaker 1:Welcome to Offside with Haas McGuire. I'm Haas.
Speaker 3:I'm McGuire the day after St Patrick's Day, that's right.
Speaker 1:So that's that. Would you say that this is the hair of the dog? I?
Speaker 3:would, although the time probably doesn't justify it. It should have been more like a 10 am, maybe to really be the hair of the dog.
Speaker 1:That's right.
Speaker 4:Well they don't know what time we're recording. I think it should be earlier today.
Speaker 3:We don't know what time we're recording. That's true, it could be 10 am. I would still have a pint. It was just a spectacular day. Where were you. I was just telling you I saw one of your teammates there, bubba. I stopped in to have a couple of pints with him at the Heart and Crown on Preston.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:I was originally hoping to get to the Heart and Crown on Strandhurd there in Barhaven but scheduling and doing some work for my buddy there, Wayne Smith, couldn't, so I had to back that up. And then Bubba phoned and he said he was going with six girls and I said well, I'll just pop in.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, you know. So the motivation was Bubba. Yeah, yeah, okay, that's all I just needed to clarify that.
Speaker 3:And then I went to the restaurant with my name on it.
Speaker 1:Oh, you went to Liam McGuire's.
Speaker 3:Liam McGuire's yeah, our 21st St Patrick's Day. No, because we missed two for COVID. So our 19th 19th In 21 years, yeah, and just great. Great music, great crowd, great time. Regular's there so solid, you know Every bar needs them. I don't care where you drink. If you don't have your regulars, you're not going to survive Like. You need the people that feel enough to want it?
Speaker 1:So you're saying that just the people who randomly go there every once in a while?
Speaker 3:Well, if they only go there every once in a while, I mean you're really dependent on a lot. I mean even for them to hopefully be returned customers. You got people who come in you know three to four times a week to drink. Yeah, and that's critical in the bar industry.
Speaker 1:So as a guy who plays hockey three times a week and then goes to the pub right after, would I be considered a regular? I never really considered myself a regular, to be honest with you, but I go three times a week.
Speaker 3:Well, the way that the industry would classify you is you're a hockey guy.
Speaker 4:I'm a hockey guy.
Speaker 3:You guys would be called the hockey guys. You got the hockey guys. Which hockey guys we got coming in today? We've got the Sunday Night League. We've got the Thursday Night League.
Speaker 1:The Monday, Tuesday, Thursday yeah.
Speaker 3:I mean, don't forget the Hugh Graham group there that plays on Wednesdays with the St Mark teachers and all those guys. They go to the mill as well. Man, they're right in there and that's a big group. They're 14, 15 deep going in and I think your team represents fairly well, does it not? Well, do you?
Speaker 1:know what I will say. First of all, on Monday 19,. I believe we had the record this is great to hear. It's something that Q is trying to achieve. There was some discrepancy there was a last minute count going on and stuff like that, but it was very important that we were the team that spent the most over the year, which meant that we had the most to spend in cash, like in kind of like the barter back.
Speaker 1:Like you know how they give you a whatever percent back. It's like on your credit card, you get 1% back, we get 1% back. And then we were able to have to drink the last day of the season where the championship day and then two other sessions. Wow, that's impressive. It was quite good. So you know what I would say we have a very good participation. I have been obviously remiss in that I haven't been attending. So I haven't made my regular contribution.
Speaker 3:Your health has been the issue there, otherwise you'd be there. You're a contributor, you go, you participate. You're not one of these guys. Has a quick shower, chugs one down and heads home.
Speaker 1:No, no, as a matter of fact, I go to the pub, I walk in and they know what to bring me. Even better, they know what to bring me and it's there. I literally don't even have to ask, and that's the best part. Now, I do have to clarify sometimes that I really and truly would prefer more carrot sticks than french fries.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Because you know that's just because, when you're watching your girlish figure, I am watching my girlish figure I'm trying to do that, because here's the thing, anyway.
Speaker 1:So that's the one thing I like. I really love going to the pub. We call it the pub, but it's the Mill.
Speaker 3:Tavern the Mill Tavern in Manitouk. It's had a number of different names, but it's been in existence for as a licensed establishment going back over 30 years now, so it's.
Speaker 1:Well, it was. I remember when it was Kelly's Welcome.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and the first licensed establishment in there. When the McEvoy sold it as their homestead was Pietros.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 3:Which was owned by Joe Prince Yoda.
Speaker 1:Oh, really yeah.
Speaker 3:Okay, so he's the one who converted it. And he had a chef that weighed about 250 pounds that would race anybody down Main Street. Oh, really yeah, and he'd win Big guy and he'd drive that ran like a linebacker doing a 4-7-40 or something Like. The guy was just blazing fast and in fact Jeff Morris and the messenger wrote a big story on it one time because eventually people heard about these races taking place at 1.30 in the morning. Now he's mostly racing guys who had been drinking Right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but in general. So was this back when Ben Johnson won that thing? Because I know we were racing down Bank Street that night. That's exactly the time period.
Speaker 3:That's exactly the time period, so it would have been in maybe just a year or two after that, but maybe off by a year or two. But it's because.
Speaker 1:I have the original 6-1. No, so you're also using Stenacinol.
Speaker 3:I don't think so. Okay, I think he has something else going in him, but I don't think it was that. But anyway, that was the first one, and then, of course, kelly's and went from there, but it's been a number of different places. This is probably the addition of it that's done the best, and so credit to them and anybody else that's in the business. As I said, credit to Leo Dion, who owns our place, who kept it open through COVID and I was talking to somebody at Liam's yesterday who actually deals with licensees and was referencing just how many shut down during COVID. It was, I'm sure, as people can well imagine. It killed me personally too. I mean eventually the back door. Result of that was I had to sell my house, so I just never caught up, and the restaurant, our restaurant, should have closed, but Leo kept it open and said no, we're going to write it out and we did. We had a great crowd yesterday, great music, great time and, yeah, I took responsible choice home.
Speaker 1:Good for you.
Speaker 3:I was making the phone call there and wasn't going to drive. But yeah, good time had by all. Another successful St Patrick's Day. I don't think I've ever had a bad one, but that's the thing with St Patrick's.
Speaker 2:Day.
Speaker 3:But, yeah.
Speaker 1:St Patrick's Day is always successful, especially because people go there. It's like Disney World when you go someplace wanting to have a good time, that's the magic.
Speaker 2:It is Right.
Speaker 1:That's the magic People go there wanting to have a good time. I have not seen too many fights on St Patrick's Day, you know what?
Speaker 3:That's a good point. That's a very good point. Yeah, you know there's so many other days of the year where you would, but on that day, you're right, it's just, you're right, you go in there. It's fun, frivolity, people are upbeat, they're ready to get it on. Exactly, I don't care for all of the extra costume stuff and the green. I would never, ever. My dad would turn over in his grave if I put food coloring in my beer. But at the end of the day, for the people that get into it, who really aren't, I wish they'd just celebrated because it's a piss up, right? Yeah, so we're going to get hammered, we're going to dance and fuck around and whatever, and it's great, and we had that going on yesterday too, so it was just awesome. I'm sure I heard a lot of other places did really well great crowds, in fact, the middle I'm sure they did.
Speaker 3:I heard they were packed. It was a lineup to get in there. So you know it was just a great day. It's always a great day. I always think of my dad, obviously born and raised Dubliner, gone a long time now. So it was. I always have a little toast to whiskey, start off every St Patrick's Day in the morning with a shot to dad, and he was on my mind yesterday, as he always is on the 17th of March. So it was just an outstanding day.
Speaker 1:It is, and it's a big day for me too. Eh, yep, I tell you, outside of St Patty's Day, right, yeah, and I don't do the. I don't do St Valentine's Day. I got you know. I will buy my wife some flowers on a regular day, like just out of the out of nowhere. Most of the time I buy a plant so that she could plant it, but I buy her something. You know what I mean. I'll do things like that at a different time, but I hate somebody telling me and overcharging me for fucking chocolates or whatever it is. Oh, just because of the day.
Speaker 3:Just because of the day they got you by 10 points. I hate that.
Speaker 1:And early on in our relationship. Like we, you know, we decided like here here's the thing we're not going to go and spend X amount of dollars on Valentine's Day. We'll stay in make our own Valentine's.
Speaker 3:Yep, okay.
Speaker 1:And we'll go out another night when it's not Like you know what I mean Sort of like afterwards. So. But Valentine's Day special to me for a couple reasons. So that's Evan's birthday, so Evan's oh.
Speaker 3:February 14th is Evan's birthday.
Speaker 1:No, no, it's actually Valentine's.
Speaker 3:Day yeah.
Speaker 1:No, I'm sorry, March 17th.
Speaker 3:Oh, St Patrick's Day it's.
Speaker 1:St Patty's Day, yeah, yeah, evan's birthday.
Speaker 3:Day before my son. I didn't realize that. Yeah, yeah, so.
Speaker 1:Evan was born on March 17th. Sorry, I misspoke with the Valentine's. I was using that as an example. But, val, let me try that again. St Patrick's Day. Easy for you to say Exactly, st Patrick's Day is Evan's birthday, but also my brother-in-law, oh so my younger brother was also born on. March 17th, holy cow. So there's a. I don't know, if you go back nine months, what the heat, the temperature was yeah, well, it was hot somewhere it was hot.
Speaker 1:It was hot somewhere, that's for sure, but yeah, so that obviously supersedes everything Of course. Yeah, so that's a big deal and to that end, okay, I don't go and I wish, because I love the music, I love all that but, I just I hate the bandwagon, so that's. I guess I'm a bit of a bite in the ass in that way.
Speaker 3:Well, it is your son's birthday and up until just recently, since they've been married and he's been moving around.
Speaker 1:He's not here physically.
Speaker 4:He's back now. He's back in Arizona.
Speaker 3:He's back in Arizona, yeah yeah, but he was here for a bunch of weeks, right? Yeah, so you see him and stuff, but he's and he'll be back, obviously, but I mean he's not here every March 17th. You're not planning a birthday party for Eve on March 17. You know what?
Speaker 1:Here's the thing Evan only had one birthday party his whole life because March 17th tended to fall on the March break for kids.
Speaker 2:Oh right.
Speaker 1:And so we never had a party for him, because one it was St Patrick's Day, right, and he fell on the March break, and so we had one. We had one one year and it was good, but a lot of times people go away for the March break. Yeah, so you know he'll. He'll have enough, he has enough opportunity to party on his own.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, well, there's no doubt about that. Well, you can imagine, for us and Liz obviously was very pregnant on March 17th 1996, but Rory was born two weeks early. So so we still, although we didn't, we didn't do much because she was so she had put, she put on so much weight for Rory, even first child. She's obviously seen her's the long since, lost all that, but she looks great. But I mean, rory was born on the 18th and I always say, well, my God, the irony, had he been born, my son, had me been born on St Patrick's Day. And then, you know, I was pointed out to me years ago. Well, you know, liam, every St Patrick's Day at midnight it's technically his birthday. So you kind of got the best of both worlds that way. And I thought well, you know what? Rocket Richard scored his 50th goal this season, gained 50 March 18th 1945. So I guess maybe there's some synergy there with Rocket and Habs as well. So, but I drew the big line there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you did, you did. You brought you connected all the dots. You connected all the dots through that. Now we weren't even doing this that day in hockey history, so we're you know.
Speaker 3:I know we just covered off. Cover off something else later on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay. So I was looking at yesterday afternoon because it was St Patrick's Day and I was chilling and I was watching the golf and I was looking at the stats from the hockey pool, the Hosean Brown hockey pool, where we're giving away. The winner gets a trip to Ireland. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 3:Just ridiculous, amazingly fantastic.
Speaker 1:And people are excited. Okay, people are now genuinely excited. So I look at it and I see that good in the room, yeah, okay, okay, is is leading Right, okay, yesterday afternoon. He's up by a half a point. Yeah, it's ridiculous, but now after the after the evening games he's dropped, okay, these two and a half points.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah Off the lead. Yeah From Tim.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, so literally this is a neck and this is switching hourly as to who's leading and who's not.
Speaker 3:My God, it's going to go down to the last game, Absolutely going to.
Speaker 1:it's going to go down to the absolute last game on this.
Speaker 3:We couldn't have asked for better, but I'm sure they're probably going come on Seriously.
Speaker 1:Well, you know what it's nice to. It would be nice to know, right.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Nice to know like I want to win. I want to win. You know what I mean. Like, and I'm you know of the belief that, like you know, like the drama that this is now, it's not causing enough drama for enough people. I would like it to be like an eight man race.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's probably never going to happen. You know what I mean. It's going to be tough to have one.
Speaker 1:It's very tough to have.
Speaker 3:I think we're fortunate. We have one. Well, fortunate in the sense that we can follow it like this yeah, yeah. Exactly. I'm sure they're probably wishing.
Speaker 1:Wow, they both had a better lead. We're looking at it from the perspective.
Speaker 3:And either way we win. Is Rory still in third?
Speaker 1:Rory is in fourth.
Speaker 3:Fourth okay.
Speaker 1:But very close, like it's a. You know he and Dave flip flop, right, you know it's the same type of way, yeah, but I mean, you never know what's going to happen, right you? Know if you get an injury, you might get like a Mark Stone thing happening yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:You know talking. What do you want? A baddie plays game one of the playoffs. I swear to God, I swear to God, if he does it could be.
Speaker 1:But as I was going to say either way, we're going to win because we get a good guy. We know, bob Like, we don't always like. You know what I mean and I've said this. Okay, I am kind of rooting. It would be nice if you could go with your son, that would be very cool. Yeah, you know what?
Speaker 3:I mean, I mean I'm not going to go at some points, but yeah, this would be fun because I wouldn't have to pay, but that's okay.
Speaker 1:But that's okay About hit. You know, Rory, turning 28, right 28 today.
Speaker 3:Hard to believe, and he's going to have a job, a career.
Speaker 1:You know he's got. You know he's in. He's in a teacher's college.
Speaker 3:He is yeah.
Speaker 1:He's in teacher, you know he'll have a job making big money, he'll need to get away, yeah.
Speaker 3:Coach in today's kids, or I should say teaching today's kids, sounds like yeah, I think.
Speaker 1:Well, I don't even I don't know what what I would do if I had kids nowadays. I don't think I would put them in school.
Speaker 3:I don't get home school.
Speaker 1:You know what I think, maybe you know or just let them run around or find a school.
Speaker 3:Teach them how to drive a 10 and take them out there.
Speaker 1:It's okay, it's worth the fun, but I, I, I want to go to. I want my kids going to school where they're going to learn how to write, how to read, how to do math. I don't give a fuck about gender studies and all this other stuff that they have as part of the agenda.
Speaker 1:I know you know, kids don't know how to fucking write. They don't even know how. They don't know how to. They don't know how to write in cursive. They don't know how to write. They can print poorly. Yeah Right, they can type with their fucking thumbs.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:They don't know how to do it, they don't know the tactile and you know that the brain no one's writing anymore though Like you almost don't need to write. But this is why we have student people, because do you know that the brain, when you write, that that action of writing, the tactile function of writing, yeah, okay, it creates synapses in your brain. Yeah, that one help you remember things. Yeah, it helps you, like you know, structure things. It really has a long term benefit.
Speaker 3:What time does the bar open?
Speaker 1:Right. I bet you remember it used to be 11 o'clock. Now it's nine. That's right. But you get my point.
Speaker 3:I do that's interesting.
Speaker 1:You know. Anyhow, all that being said is I, you know what? My kids, your kids, are soon to be probably having their own children, and it scares the shit out of me. You know what I mean. I don't even know what to do.
Speaker 3:Well, I think I'm going to speak on very I'm going to speak on behalf of your children too, and I'm going to speak on behalf of mine that I think they're going to be great parents. I think your son and your daughter will be both will be great parents and, by the way, I've met the spouses and I think they'll be outstanding.
Speaker 1:You know what I think? So too, but but the it's the when they're going to be educated. Yeah because that's where they in.
Speaker 3:Unfortunately, yeah, that's where they indoctrinate.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, fair enough, Fair point we know a guy who was the president of the teachers union, yeah, for a while, right. Yeah, you know Dave. Yep, okay, and and and that's one of the things that he's very upset about now. He's now retired, but he's, this has been a long-term indoctrinization. Yeah, people as opposed to Educating, yeah, and so I don't know how we got talking about that, but I don't either, was a hell of a rabbit hole, yeah, but you know what.
Speaker 3:That's okay, but I don't think there's anything wrong with it. That's just you and I doing what we do. That's right. No, we just got off topic a little bit, but I think it's. It's good stuff, because most of people watching their parents or Grandparents to or grandparents yeah, I like the stats they have.
Speaker 1:Who watches us? Yeah, and it's just a lot of very older crowd. I don't know a lot of you know. We got to know our Demographic over 80. Yeah, it's the over 50.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it is the predominant for sure, with the 20 year olds and 30 year olds aren't gonna.
Speaker 1:Because they're so busy to fucking on their phones. Of course, you know, yeah, Um, literally they's watching porn.
Speaker 3:Yeah Well, hey listen. Porn hubs a multi-billion dollar industry for a reason.
Speaker 1:That's a munch. We all, we were. You're in one of those, well we serious you were in a, you were to see Patrick's day special. Yeah, I was. It was that owed to the little people?
Speaker 3:Yeah, maybe sure, but it sure is skinny.
Speaker 1:All right, okay, so no, we were talking about. That's what we're talking about the same path.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, the hockey pool, yes, yeah so we're, and then we got.
Speaker 1:You know, I mean bring in, bring in.
Speaker 2:That's how it got there.
Speaker 1:So so, anyhow we were, either way, we're gonna win, because, whether it's Chuck who's a great guy, absolutely super guy, no one I'm since I was born and and Tim, who is also a great. I mean really you know, but no, you'll like them. Yeah, okay, you know what? We get the opportunity of having another great guy come on the trip perfect.
Speaker 3:So that's, that's the important thing, so we are looking forward to that.
Speaker 1:Now let's move on to something else. All right, okay, so. So this is Saturday now and I'm I've got my feet up, yeah watching the the hockey night in Canada beautiful. Yeah, and first of all, I want and I know we're gonna talk about this the late game. Yeah, but I want to talk about the early game. Yep, Okay which one. Well, let's talk about Toronto.
Speaker 3:Okay, we loved it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah all right and okay. So what did you love? What did you lie? Okay, I love the blow in it. What did you think about them wearing the same patched? Oh well, they've done that before. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, well, it was great, it's. It's a great throwback. I mean, that's the fact of the matter is the Toronto St Patrick's were named St Patrick's in in, basically to respect the Irish, the the predominant Irish population of Toronto in the early 1920s though that's the irony.
Speaker 1:In the early part of the century, Toronto was the fucking wasp capital of the world Catholics couldn't get jobs.
Speaker 3:Oh, I'm not talking about that part of it. I'm talking about they did it anyway, right? Oh, yeah, to honor them. I don't know about demographics or numbers or whatnot, but they were called.
Speaker 1:They're the ones who wanted to go to the games.
Speaker 3:Well, maybe so I, you know, I mean you know they, they they played in a much smaller rank. It was mutual street arena Was certainly not Maple Leaf Gardens which cons might that built in 31, but I mean the Toronto St Patrick's. It's a throwback. They've done it before. In fact, the very first time it was every after the St Patrick's was King Clancy. He would long time may believe, auto a guy, yeah, legend. I had a chance to meet him and interview him in 83. It's just classic. Anyway. He he wore Imagine.
Speaker 3:The NHL allowed him to do this course was 1930s but Leafs ended up in a game on St Patrick's Day. It was on the schedule. So they knew law, the you know, obviously months ahead, and they allowed, the NHL did and allowed the Leafs and King. He wore an all-green uniform in the game and and was against Boston and the Bruins Complained after 40 minutes and said it was so distracting that that they Insisted that he had to go back and put his regular Maple Leaf sweater on. This was after he was sold by the Ottawa Senators to the Toronto Police a couple years after. So anyway, I'd say an arrest. Yeah, you asked me what I thought of it. I love it, yeah, you love.
Speaker 1:I like it too, but I've been listening to like people have been tween. They didn't like it. They don't anything, who cares yeah?
Speaker 3:who cares? I mean, you know what I just discovered? I didn't discover. I'm gonna ask you a question. Yeah, cuz you go to games, your hockey fan, you follow sport, we all go to games, go. Let's just use the CTC, for example. Yeah, okay, full house, 18,500 sweet holders, everything called 20,000 people. How many people do you think Chris and I don't know, but I have an idea, I'm just ballparking I'm gonna ask you how many people do you think let's call it a 20,000 crowd are actually on Twitter or Social media of those 20,000.
Speaker 1:I know, I know one that's not. Yeah, I'm not well.
Speaker 3:I think you're in at least at least 50 to 60% of the crowd, maybe not on Twitter not on Twitter right, not on Twitter and maybe hardly ever gone Anything, and maybe their wives are, or if they are, it's only superficially to. I Just it's. I know myself, I have to be on and I'm on these platforms. I need to promote and I do, but I am responsible for this as well, because I get the mindset thinking as I read and you just what's prompting me to say this is what you're saying? Yeah, that people you're who was complaining about the? Where did you hear or see any complaints? That about the St Pat sweaters?
Speaker 1:It was on. It was on the internet, on on Facebook on Facebook. Okay, so you saw people talking about, about it, and then other people like you know you go down.
Speaker 3:What do you scroll down?
Speaker 1:and people and it's like you know.
Speaker 3:I just don't think they represent the majority. I think my guess is the majority of not only those who paid to go to the game that night most, importantly, we're entertained by it, knew it was coming.
Speaker 3:It was all over the news. The Leafs are gonna do it, are they? Everyone knew for weeks the Leafs are gonna do it. They've done it before. Yeah, so it's. It's something they typically do. When they have a game in and around St Patrick's Day, they throw the St Patrick's these are so you know, I mean the Canadians done throwbacks to, but not for any date reference. But this is significant because they did. That was their team name. Right, it was for that reason. It was that sweater and they went and they go back to it regularly.
Speaker 1:I loved it, yeah okay, good, okay, so then I Watched I, so I watched the game in the east, okay and I know there was an afternoon game I don't play the afternoon there was a couple afternoon games and Ottawa's game was fantastic.
Speaker 3:You know, Brady's a Chuck hat trick.
Speaker 1:I didn't see it. I didn't see how anything after I was doing other things, yeah, but, and so I'm sorry for not being able to comment about it but no big deal. But then the the night game, so I watched the early game. Yeah, then I go, and I watched the Edmonton.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's the game game of the year so far in Colorado. Yeah, game of the year.
Speaker 1:Unbelievable, yeah like the speed of the game, the that like the everything it was just Brick and believe it was like it was.
Speaker 3:It lived up to the hype. Like everybody's had it circled on the calendar for about the last two or three weeks. It's been coming closer as McDave has been racing up the you know, trying to track down not only McKinnon, who over took Kutcher off, but trying to tack down Kutcher off. He's eight points back at Kutcher off, ten back at McKinnon because McKinnon McKinnon did extend his points streak. Yeah, on Saturday night McDave did not get a point, despite some I mean, they had some great chances with him on the ice. It was all sorts of great plays.
Speaker 3:He's tried to kick the puck in the net. Some guys tried to kick the puck in the net. Hyman's ball was clearly an easy one to call back. But think, look at it this way, you just hit the nail in the head. Saturday night, late game and always a late game, and maybe people were celebrating St Patrick's Day early. Edmonton, colorado, who could very well meet in the conference. Final 77 shots on net, 3-2 final. You got two lead changes in the third period. You've got an overtime goal scored, but less than a second to go to win it. Less than a second You've got a penalty shot. You got a hell of a fight. Yeah, you got a goal disallowed. You got the two best players on the planet going toe-to-toe, who both happen to be Canadian. I mean, it's just so delicious. And it was. It lived up to the billing. Both goal tenders were second and third star respectively. Yeah, I mean skinner. Skinner made over 40 saves, skinner or 40 on the nose.
Speaker 1:I say, if you can play like that in the playoffs, they will make it to the well.
Speaker 3:They'll, they'll, they'll need them for sure. They'll need them for sure. I mean you can, you need look no further than your Bruins last year, who rewrote the record book and then all mark just laid an Egg and they didn't make the switch to Swamen and time and they lose in overtime in game 7 and destroy that great Feeling from such a record-setting season. You know there's still only one team, that's one 60 plus games in the NHL and gone on to win the cup. Only one to 77 halves. The others haven't got, haven't got, they've burned out in the playoffs.
Speaker 1:You know, so that and that is the thing the playoff hockey is very different. Remember when Ottawa won that president's cup? Yeah, okay, absolutely. You know what I mean. They should have won a cup in there they should have.
Speaker 3:They should have an 299 and 04. There should have been a cup in there and all they need to do was have a different coach.
Speaker 1:Who's I? Well, you know what I I say this I think that that things were working against them, though against Anaheim, because what they called all year as penalties, the clutching, the grabbing and all that stuff, they stopped and and Anaheim just fucking manhandled Ottawa, wow, and that series, oh yeah, like they didn't stop.
Speaker 3:I mean, that's playoff hockey, that's been the norm for a hundred years.
Speaker 1:I understand, but yeah.
Speaker 3:I mean Jacques was gone by then.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was Brian Murray.
Speaker 3:Yeah yeah, but I mean the, the fallacy there, not the fallacy, but the the ridiculous of the 07 final was, or the 07 playoffs. Was Chris Pronger Getting two one-game suspensions for absolutely like attempted murder I mean, and the Justification being in the one game in the final because, well, it's the finals, you know it's worth way more and I mean technically that's correct, but you got a six foot six giant out there with bad intentions, just absolutely killing guys, almost. You know the entire playoff and boy, I mean what a beast he was and I don't know the clutching and grabbing and whatnot. I mean that look that that series was hanging on Alfie stick and he shot the puck in Niedemeyer. Otherwise, if they win that game, they tie the series of two and it's the best of three and they've got all the momentum. You know they shot. He shoots the puck in Niedemeyer at the end of the second. There's a turning point in every series. Chris, yeah, almost 99. Yes, me personally.
Speaker 3:I think I was sitting right beside Kelly Rudy in the CBC on the hockey night in Canada box in 07 in game four, and I had done some stuff pregame, not on, not on air, but off air. I'd done some stuff pregame downstairs. So I had a, I had a pass. They said leave them go, you can sit in the box. I sat in the box, sat Rudy, the boys, while they were watching the game. Then they went and do the hits on hockey night in Canada. I was sitting right there and Rudy Kelly turned to me, said these, did you just shoot the puck at him? I went, yeah, right, adam, oh boy. And because the thought was, you know how's Anaheim gonna respond right in the third period? You know, come out and go after Alfie. Of course they didn't right, they, just they. And now we all, because we all know now Niedemeyer went in the dressing room said boys, don't do a damn thing when this third period we go home up 3-1, don't touch them, leave them be. Go and win that third period. And they did because Heatley had just scored the tie it right. So no, I don't think the clutch didn't grab.
Speaker 3:Ottawa was right there. I mean they lost the series 4-1, but it wasn't a 4-1 series. You know what I mean. Every day they were. That was probably. I mean the old three team. Look if they get by New Jersey, or that goes seven, get, that goes in overtime in game seven. I Think they, probably they, they probably beat Jersey in 0-3,. You know, I mean they certainly could have had a chance. I mean, even if they get by, pittsburgh in 2017, like Ottawa, has just been a little snake bit, let's be honest, you know well, you know what.
Speaker 1:I hope someday that we get to see it. I mean, I would be honest with you. I would be very excited for Ottawa to win this Stanley Cup.
Speaker 3:Well, I think it would change you into a. I know a lot of.
Speaker 1:I listen, I'm a fans fan too, Like you know what.
Speaker 3:I know, I know I go back. I know, I know, and Bruins are in your heart.
Speaker 1:I mean, but yeah, you can't take that away, which you know, which you know, okay. So let me ask you some it was an unbelievable game.
Speaker 3:Unbelievable game lived up to the hype, definitely the game of the year, game of the weekend, game of the month, game of the year. And yeah, watch that at my buddy, ollie's place, where he's how sitting for a sister, and it was a few of us there we watched. It was outstanding, just like I was.
Speaker 1:It was very exciting, okay. So another I have certain feelings about this, but the hit on on Siri, okay, yeah, the headshot, they're calling it, all that stuff.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so how many games do you think Kulikov should get in your None?
Speaker 1:absolutely none, absolutely none, and I'm gonna tell you why and I've been the guy with the head down like this, at that Head down and you reach out at that, you're putting yourself in the position, yeah, fucking getting hit like that, yeah, and you know what he's coming across and I don't give a shit what they say. He did that. He did hit his shoulder as well. Yeah, no, no, but he got. He clipped Siri shoulder as well as his head?
Speaker 1:He did, but the primary contact was the head right, but then he shouldn't have been down like you can't look, you know what? Okay, you're gonna blame somebody for like all he was doing.
Speaker 3:No, I'm blaming Kulikov.
Speaker 1:He's the guy who delivered the hit to the head and in that particular Scenario meant to hit the guy in the head.
Speaker 3:I do personally. Yeah, me personally. Yes, I believe had contact was deliberate there. It was really the only point he really could contact real well, not really he could have, I guess, in that split second, although we're trying to surmise what that would be like in a split second of NHL hockey, which none of us ever exactly.
Speaker 3:Right, so I'll cut him a little bit of slack, but it was such a deliberate blow in my view, I Felt it was very deliberate. He's going to become the 22nd person suspended this year in the NHL and, as I told you, after the Gallagher hit, there'll be 10 more and this will be number seven. So there you go. Just get ready, folks, because next week There'll be another one. It's as simple as that.
Speaker 1:I, but I don't think in that you know what. I've been the guy to get the head hit like. I'm a short guy to start off with, right.
Speaker 3:I've been smoked in the head too, and I'm not well on 511. I'm definitely not a tall guy, but I mean. But I think anyone who's played been taken a hit has taken a hit at some point.
Speaker 1:You know what nobody wants to get hit and had nobody, you know of course not but you know most guys are not listen. I.
Speaker 3:Don't, I don't. So you're saying cool of cough deserves no games because Connor Sheary was was bent over and not in a position to protect over and leans forward, he puts himself in that position.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's like the same thing guy goes and he's going to hit from behind in the corner. Yeah, and he turns yeah he hit from behind the corner. It's the same situation, yeah and that. And that's where I mean we, you know, want to talk about Historically and stuff like that, where you know guys used to have to, the game was slower but guys used to have to think you know what I got. I remember like I, you know we don't play contact anymore.
Speaker 2:No, like it's just incidental but you're going into corner.
Speaker 3:You had I know nobody went in the corner like they do today. No one went against the boards because there's no hitting in hockey to. These kids are 13, 14. They've played that. They all start playing at five. They've got eight years and in most of the cases these kids are playing some form of competitive hockey by the time there's seven. So that's six or seven years of competitive hockey where you've built in all of the habits and unfortunately you've lost With, with, by taking checking out and not allowing these kids to, not allowing to be taught as a skill Right, like skating, shooting, passing. They take it out because all the Nambi Pambi left wingers there they get. You know we don't want these kids getting that ingrained and take Concussions and everything else, not understanding they're doing the exact opposite.
Speaker 4:Yeah well, they're doing the exact problem, that's right.
Speaker 1:However, I do not believe that's the case here I mean as soon as they get surging testosterone. Mm-hmm. Okay, in midget hot, how many?
Speaker 3:kids are 14 or going. Just look at their lips to get out there, oh and start banging. Yeah, you know, I mean. And now people are talking about raising it higher. I mean, you know. But you see, those aren't hockey fans, right? They're not the fans of the game who know the intricacies of the game. They've never played the Cansgate, they've never been on a hit, they've never been in anything, anything at all.
Speaker 1:I can't wait until the transsexual males Go and play in the women's hockey.
Speaker 3:There'll be something. Wouldn't that be, you know, I mean the race of the ladies in the water down in the states. There there's like and where's the other one? There was one other one there where the diving, the diving was the diving.
Speaker 1:It was a whole bite. Yeah, it's been all.
Speaker 3:Now they're allowed in the dressing rooms. I know they're allowed in the dress.
Speaker 1:I'm in Canada. You should be ashamed of yourself. Yeah, it's absolutely disgusting that you're allowing that. Yeah, you know I. You know it's funny. People come up. They talk about safe spaces, right, yeah, this is so. Where does a young lady, yeah, go? I mean listen, you know what? Here's the thing. Nobody wanted to be in the ladies change room more than me for many years, but not for the reasons who knows all we had to do with.
Speaker 3:Dressed like Klinger from that.
Speaker 1:There's a reason Klinger was bucking for a session eight right.
Speaker 3:Okay, that's right.
Speaker 1:So these guys are bucking for session eight. Yeah, these people and, and honest to God, to indulge them in that manner is Absolutely you know what. I think it's a travesty, yeah, it's a travesty, that they're allowing these things to happen and, honestly, I think these people should be charged with the endangerment, yeah, of youth. Yeah, doing that. I, you know what? I don't, I'm not a lawyer.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I wish I was. Oh, we can play one on offside.
Speaker 1:But, why, no, but I wish I was. I wish there was a lawyer who had the balls. Yes, I said balls, and I mean by foot spa, not by testicles. Okay, yeah, it could be a female lawyer who would stand up and take these people to task for all the stuff that they're doing.
Speaker 3:That's a great point, man, I love it. I, I wish so too, I Really do, I, I really do it's.
Speaker 1:Uh, I'd say a few other things, I won't because no because Liam, liam is very politically correct when it comes to being on camera and I and I Absolutely respect that I am there at either hand. I'm part of the. I don't give a fuck. Yeah yeah, I don't give a fuck. If you don't like me, you don't have to like me. Guess what I like me? Okay, it's like I. You know what I'm like? I'm like Dale Griffith, okay, yeah planes to trains.
Speaker 2:I like me, my wife likes me yeah okay, Such a good movie, you know it is yeah, yeah and anytime I can compare myself to John Candy.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it's not just because of size yeah.
Speaker 1:All right, listen, we've got some things to do. Oh, all right, we're gonna cut to a segment, yes, that we call ask Liam. Oh boy, hey, welcome back. This is our segment. We call ask Liam and this is the part. As you all know, if Liam doesn't get it, then I get a pitcher beer, and if he does get it, we still get a pitcher beer and we share it.
Speaker 1:All right, so here's the deal. Okay, so here's the question. I'm gonna try to phrase this to like a proper way here, but okay, so this individual or a group of individuals was that was that the hockey Hall of Fame, and saw a strange Trophy yeah, called the O'Brien Cup, yeah, okay, yeah, and they kind of wanted to know what. What is the O'Brien Cup?
Speaker 3:Because they saw NHL team names on it and so they were going. What the hell's going on? I never even heard of the O'Brien Cup, for good reasons, but out of circulation since 1951 that's a long time. But the O'Brien Cup, it has a significant historical Reflection, or connection, I guess I should say, to pro hockey in the area. So the senator, o'brien O'Brien, brought forth the trophy in honor of his son, who was Jay Ambrose O'Brien.
Speaker 3:Oh, we know who that is? Yeah, who started the National Hockey Association, and that was his son. Okay, so he was Ambrose. Yeah, the old man, I'm gonna say the old man. We're talking about 1909 here. The NHA started in 1909. So the winner of the NHA in the, the winner, whoever won the NHA, he awarded the O'Brien Cup to the winner of the NHA because in those days, when you won the NHA, you did not win the Stanley Cup. No, you had to compete, that's right. You then had to compete with against One to two other leagues, all depending when they were existence across Canada. So the winner of the NHA received the O'Brien Cup until the NHA folded and it went to the NHL.
Speaker 3:Then the O'Brien Cup went to the winner of the NHL because, again, you did not win the Stanley Cup when you won the NHL until 1926 right, that was the year 26, the Stanley Cup became under exclusive control of the NHL in 1926, and reason being that the other leagues folded PCHA, whl, wchl they had different names PCHL, pacific Coast Hockey Association, western Hockey League, west West Coast Hockey League. They folded and those teams were three of them were purchased the franchises and became the Detroit, chicago and New York franchises. And and Well, detroit and Chicago anyway, and not New York, but I mean Detroit and Chicago were formerly Western Hockey League franchises.
Speaker 1:So if you won the NHL until like 6 started 1926 is what you're saying.
Speaker 3:No, no, no, the original six is just a media term. A media term, a play on words, that basically describes the era in the NHL From 1942 to 1967, because the NHL in the 20s and 30s was a 10 team league that two divisions had 10 teams. Through the depression, the stock market crashed in 29 and the depression that followed, teams fell off. There was a lot of movement, including the Ottawa Senators, right, that's when Ottawa moved to st Louis for a year. You know you had the Pittsburgh Pirates going to Philadelphia. You had, you know, you had the a Quebec Bulldogs became the Hamilton Tigers, became the New York Americans. You had a lot of movement, a lot of teams, a lot of history.
Speaker 3:The original six really just Is specific to the time period of the, when it was only six teams, after the last team to fold from seven to six, which was the Brooklyn Americans, who had been the New York Americans, as I just gave you the timeline there. So from 1942 until modern expansion in 67, st Louis, pittsburgh, philly, la and the rest, right, california and and yeah, so they when they went Minnesota, when they came in. That's modern expansion. That was the end of the 06 era. So the O'Brien Cup for those guys that were at the hall Is a trophy that was pretty synonymous, pretty significant in hockey history, certainly from 1909 to 1917, then from 1917 to 1926, then from 1926 to 1950. They gave it to the team that was runner up.
Speaker 4:In the NHL.
Speaker 3:Yeah. So you got the Stanley Cup winner, and then the one who finished second got the O'Brien Cup. Okay, and then in 1950, Clarence Campbell said you know what? Um, only losers finished second.
Speaker 1:I think it was ricky bob ricky bobby.
Speaker 3:What was it? What was the exact line? Is it remember? You're either first or last, yeah or whatever something uh, you know, if you're not, if you're, I can't really if you're not the winner, you're a loser.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's not that, it's not that, but it is something from Ricky Bobby and and they took it out of circulation. However, it remains in a prominent place the hockey hall thing. I don't know when you were last at the hall they changed their displays there. When I say they change it, they change about 20% maybe. I don't even know the exact number. I'm going to say it's around 20% of the hall that's changed on a regular basis. They have enough stuff. They could build a second hall. There's enough stuff that doesn't get shown in perpetuity.
Speaker 1:No, because you cannot. There's too much and you know what you want to shuffle people through too, right. So I mean I'd be honest with you. I haven't been to the hockey hall of fame in a while. Oh God, evan was young, like you know. He was probably 12, 13 at the time.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you know it's been about four years, probably for me, the year before COVID I think was last year I was there, so coming in five years but 2019. But usually I don't, usually every couple of years I go. I mean it was a period of years, I know they didn't want me there because of the Paul Henderson stuff, so I go as persona non grata there for about that.
Speaker 1:Well, you know what? Now we have facial recognition. That's not good. It's not allowed to the front door. It's like you know, you have you know what. Here's the thing is.
Speaker 3:I have a kinder jet. I'm a jettler.
Speaker 1:I'm not talking hockey hall of fame in Toronto, because I don't go to Toronto very often.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:What's that? That night's thing where they used to ride on the horses and pretend they were nights?
Speaker 3:Yeah, jousting, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1:They have one of those things down there. I forget what it's called when In Toronto.
Speaker 2:I went to it one time.
Speaker 1:Down near, like near Fort York or whatever. Oh okay, they have those things. I was just wondering if they had that, if you, if you ever done that?
Speaker 3:No, I've never even seen it. I've never For a man who loves violence. I love violence. Yeah, you should be. I didn't even know it existed.
Speaker 1:Have you been to the Osgood when they revitalized yeah?
Speaker 3:Well, I went to one year and God was living in the village and the woman who was already organizing it I coached her son and hockey and so she was all over me. You got to go, you got to go. I said, yeah, sure, I'll come out and I go out there and I'm in the thing there by the, you know where they set up and they weren't using real swords, so you were disappointed.
Speaker 3:No, just you know what the people were like. I went to the function at the arena, the Stewart Holmes Arena. I'm upstairs there and I'm having a pint and everyone coming up and they're just talking to me like they're from that era, you know, and I'm going, hey, like like you're my neighbor, it's okay, Like he could talk to me, like we're talking right now, you don't have to go. Uh, uh, Merrily, you know, give me all that vows of this, and I like what the hell, Jesus Christ? And I didn't know what, what the hell, I didn't. I just thought it was kind of. I mean, I appreciate they were getting into it. If that's your thing, go ahead. But yeah, I was going like, was there going to be a real fight here or what? Like uh, no.
Speaker 1:Again, again. We're disappointed. That was, uh, our Ask Liam segment. Okay, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Hey, we're back, and that was that was a good question. It was, it was a good question. And so here's the thing we're going to jump right into, because we've got other things to do. Yeah, we're going to jump right into, uh, this week in hockey history. Yeah, okay, I know I'm going to help you with this one.
Speaker 3:I figured Okay.
Speaker 2:All right, Hello Canada. Hey guys, it's George and Chris LaFleur coming out rather gingerly. Back to LaFleur Go the Bashi Chiefs, Peace Corps Fighters go.
Speaker 1:This week in hockey history. Welcome back to this week in hockey history, and this is a very important week. This is the week of uh March, the uh. Today's the 18th. We're shooting in the 18th, yeah, so we'll move, we'll go forward to let's just take pick an arbitrary date March 20th 1948. Shocker, okay, so what.
Speaker 3:I know we've been doing you and Richard Peters, and two of the happiest people around.
Speaker 1:What do you think happened on March 20th 1948?
Speaker 3:I think uh God decided to uh grace Mr and Mrs Orr with perfection. And uh, robert Gordon Orr was born on March 20th 1948 in Perry Sound, Ontario, beautiful little town, I believe it's off Lake Huron, I think, if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 1:No, it's north North, yeah, it's, uh, it's kind of Georgian Bay.
Speaker 3:Georgian Bay area. Yeah, that's it, that's it, that's the exact way I was looking for it. I mean technically, I guess that's part of Lake Huron, I suppose, but no, you're more accurate there on that for sure. But yeah, bob.
Speaker 1:York. It's the Gateway to the North.
Speaker 3:Gateway to the North. Yeah, I had a head in the Northern Ontario right and you boogie right up to North Bay from there.
Speaker 1:Well, listen, I, I, I'm going to clean Perry Sound. Yeah, it's part of the Northern Ontario. Yeah, fair enough, so so, so uh, robert Gordon Orr.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, who? And I? You know, and I've told you this before when I was a kid, of course, loved Bob York, right, yeah, and it's surrounded by great hockey players in my town. Yeah, it was right. Yeah, Okay, but you know Bob York.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And before, like they started this thing in the 90s, okay, visualization and goal-titters visualization Like I was visualizing back in the early 70s, I would. I would sit there and I'd be in the dressing room and I would say you're, you're good as Bobby Orr, you could go out there and play like Bobby Orr, Go out there and play like Bobby Orr, and then I'd go and get my ass kicked. But but the point was is I was visualizing yeah, I was visualizing a guy who could do things and could control a game and was as amazing off the ice as he was on the ice.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And that's one of the reasons why I love Bobby Orr. Yeah, Like you know here, listen, he's not a saint. You know what I mean. They're not canonizing the guy, but at the same time, you know, I think he's a saint. I don't know he is.
Speaker 3:Well, no, I mean, you know, I mean he's a saint, like qualities in terms you just touched on something I think is very important.
Speaker 3:Those of us who are fortunate enough to have seen him play and I only saw him play live once, but I mean to see him play on TV the few times that we did hockey night and can, or in the playoffs, because the Bruins were always in in those days other than his first year I mean we were blessed. But then to have him lead the life that he has since, given everything he went through with Eagleson and and everything he's done, and I know firsthand, because he has done things for me personally, one tiny little speck on the wheel of countless thousands that he has met like to a degree where I would be on a scale of one to 10, up maybe around a three. And here I am sending him an email asking a favor and he does it. And you know, for these people who were thrilled to get something from him that I asked him to do and he does it, like that's, that's pretty special stuff.
Speaker 1:Well, you know what? I remember hearing this when I was young, and I have another story to tell you know, kind of related to this. This lady had taken her single mom, had taken her son to the Boston Garden to see a Bruins game, yeah, and when they came out and they're leaving and they have a flat tire and this is a single mom, she's young, she doesn't even know how to change the tire but this guy comes out. Bobby, or any changes or tire. Where was this? This was at the Boston Garden, the Boston Garden, like that.
Speaker 1:Now, this was, you know, it was reported in the newspaper because she wrote in and thanked and all that stuff. Yeah, okay, and I remember this and it was in the like when I was young and I remember my dad telling me about this you know what I mean and this, you know, and all that and I just thought to myself, you know, like that's a real, like great guy, yeah, okay, yeah. And so I'm going to fast forward. Now. This is not about Bob Yor, it's about Wendell Clark, okay, yeah, and this guy is in Toronto, okay, yeah, at the time he did, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2:And Aurora. I think yeah, Exactly.
Speaker 1:So my brother lives in Aurora, yeah, okay. So my brother's driving is this guy's off the road in the ditch. It's a snowstorm in Toronto and you know they don't know how to fucking drive. Yeah, yeah, so, okay. So my brother Northern Terrier guy, okay, pulls over. He's helping this guy, okay. And my brother lived right on the corner runs home, gets a shovel digging this guy out. Try and help him get out. This other guy pulls up in a truck, four by four, okay, turns out to be Wendell Clark.
Speaker 3:Oh, okay, my brother recognizes him right away. Lifted the car out at one end.
Speaker 1:So then he comes and he starts helping. Yeah, okay. And the other guy so the guy who was actually driving, okay, is a new immigrant to Canada. Okay, okay, yeah, you know. So, doesn't recognize him, doesn't know who Wendell Clark is at all, yeah, okay, doesn't know when to put. Well, wendell Clark goes oh listen, I got a winch, okay. So when they climb underneath, they wrap it around, they pull the guy out, okay, everything like that. And we, you know, wendell goes, hey, you know, no problem, see you later.
Speaker 4:Okay, and my brother's like oh, I wanted to try you know.
Speaker 1:Meanwhile, the other guy, the Asian guy you know, is going on. He's fawning over my brother for all the help he goes. Do you realize? You know who that was and stopped so. So I'm just saying that you know what Wendell Clark did. A great thing, yeah, okay, bobby.
Speaker 3:Orr, I did, bobby Orr.
Speaker 1:Great thing, yeah, and it's one of the things that I admire in hockey players. Frankly, you don't see a lot of you know NBA guys or NFL guys doing stuff like that they may.
Speaker 3:I certainly can't recall off top of my head, but I didn't know either of those stories. I obviously didn't know about your brother you hadn't shared that with me before and and and I didn't know the one about Bobby. But I'm not surprised about Bobby.
Speaker 1:I'm not surprised. What's the thing in the story about Bobby Orr?
Speaker 3:Is it? I think he's done so much, I don't know where it would. I mean, there's just been so so many stories, but just before you, unless you want to go on about them, but I mean the statistically. Yeah, the guy rewrote the record book, obviously, as we know, as a defenseman. It's not just as a defenseman, it's just been almost glossed over. The guy won two scoring championships as a defenseman. You know, we're all fawning over Quinn the, the the race this year between Quinn Hughes and Kale McCart and they're doing great. They're both going to end up around 90 points, carlson had a hundred last year.
Speaker 1:Carlson will break Orr's record for more, more. Let me try that again For most goals as a defenseman in career Well, no.
Speaker 3:Bobby doesn't hold that record. No, no, that's, that's Ray Bork and Paul Coffey. Oh, we'll score it over 400. Bobby only scored 270. But the thing is Bobby only played 10 years, right? I mean, that's the thing. All of his numbers were accomplished in a decade. Basically they're accomplished in a decade, Like a handful of games he played in Chicago. I don't count, I mean he was there, he picked up points.
Speaker 1:Yes, but even his last year in Boston was was a protracted year.
Speaker 3:Well, yeah, it was. He got hurt and because they had Orr in park for 10 games after the trade, I can't. I'll tell you that would have been. Even as a Hab fan, I was so hoping to watch that over the course of the season. I'm huge fans of them both. Park from 72, told everybody. I told people on the weekend I got talking about it. I had no hate. All the hate as a 13 year old boy for me evaporated because of the Summit Series. I couldn't like. Before that I wanted the Leafs to lose every game 10-0. Me too. After that I wanted Paul Henderson to get a hat trick every game. You know, I mean, there's just no way you could think the same about those guys. Brad Park, phyllis Bazeidle, you know, tony, all the guys that weren't Habs, which was the majority of the team. I was just four or five Habs on the team. The majority weren't Montreal Canadians. I cheered for them significantly after 72. And you know what?
Speaker 1:And I will- say this, having met over the years, a number of guys, okay, but having met certain guys, like you know, we went down, we interviewed and, of course, we were and we're going to talk about it.
Speaker 3:We're going to tee it up. Yeah, we're going to tee it up later.
Speaker 1:But we met some guys that I was really excited about and some guys that was like eh, you know, but some pretty nice guys great great guys that I now you know, and it wasn't the first time I met Larry Robinson, like I told you, like we had discussed it before, and he I mean I don't know if you remember that, but he remembered who he was with at that lock that we met.
Speaker 3:Yeah, do you remember that? Yeah, I do, I remember you guys talking about that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was great.
Speaker 3:I mean, I got to talk to him too. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but anyway you realize that you know, even though they're on a team that you don't like, yeah, they're great guys, they are great guys.
Speaker 3:You know, like, how nice, like again Hab fan, we're sitting down Ken Hodges. You know I don't want to tee it up right now, but I mean how gracious could he have been? I mean more gracious he couldn't have been more gracious. It was, and crack of the jokes right away, you know it was.
Speaker 1:Oh, he was firing right off. It was great. Yeah, and this is the thing like I really like that I look forward to someday. Yeah, you know, I would love to play around a golf with Bobby Orr, right.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, or I like to meet him. That would be great and stuff.
Speaker 3:But I think, minimally, we need to figure out a way. No, Bobby, you know the scary part about all this. We're talking about March 20th I think you're probably going to post it right around then and Bobby's birthday is going to be 76. Yeah, 76 years old, Bobby Orr. I mean, it's like me talking about my son at 28. I can't even you know what was it? Av yesterday, 29?.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no, that was 26.
Speaker 3:Oh, av's younger, that was 26. Excuse me, yeah, I apologize. Yeah, I knew that. I knew that. But even him at 26, you must be going. Come on, he should still be in grade four at St Leonard's Chris.
Speaker 1:You know what, really, I made a few years ago? I made this little picture video on Facebook that Kristen keeps like repeating, adding a year to, to Springsteen in the background.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, oh, it's a good one. Yeah, but I mean and I remember, you know, and I still remember Evie, like you know what I mean, that smile, right, yeah, the smile he's had. He's a little more serious now as an adult and you know what I mean, but you know when he was, when he would smile and be happy and he had to grant. I'll tell you the story.
Speaker 1:So, kristen, because she was at home with the kids, we chose to have her be home, okay, and some of the neighbors like actually one of the neighbors said I don't have daycare for my kids, would you watch my kid? So Chris ended up having a couple of kids that were around. You know what I mean. So Evan was trying to be like he was all right and this, and this might be a Steph Rawlings influence.
Speaker 3:Oh boy this could go anywhere.
Speaker 1:Now, folks, evan goes to the kids, he goes. Okay, who wants to play cards for money? And my wife was like no.
Speaker 3:Evan no that's gambling.
Speaker 1:Okay, who wants to gamble? It's like oh.
Speaker 3:Oh, that's good yeah. So yeah, no it is.
Speaker 1:It is the the, the fact that you know it's hard to believe time passes so quickly. Yeah Right, but someday I hope that I get an opportunity to spend some time with Argeo. But we'll see. Yeah, my daughter lives in Florida. I'm going to just keep traveling to the coast, to where he lives, and just hope I see him around the supermarket somewhere. There you go, just hang out, find out where he shops. Is that is that? Is that stalking, hey son? All right, so that was this week in hockey history. That was a good one.
Speaker 2:Hello Canada, hey son, it's going to be a little flirt coming out rather gingerly back to Lafayette.
Speaker 1:The Bosch and Chich Pistols this week in hockey history. Okay, welcome back. We are going to stick with the whole Boston theme. Yeah, we are we are going to tee up an interview that we did with okay, so there's a lot of big numbers, right, yeah, okay. And if I mention numbers, their automatically names come to mind. Right, yeah, okay. You mentioned number four and I automatically think Bobby, or you might think Jean-Belleville.
Speaker 3:I would think both of them, you think both of them.
Speaker 1:Okay, if I, if I mentioned 27,. Who do you think of Sittler? Okay, yeah, if I mentioned 29,. Who do you think?
Speaker 3:of Tride.
Speaker 4:Okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, if I mentioned eight, who do you think of Dave Schultz? Okay, I don't think of Dave Schultz. You violet bastard? Okay, you know who. I think of Somebody who Number eight for you would be Ken. Hodge Is Ken Hodge.
Speaker 3:Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1:Who is I? You know what. You know why Ken Hodge didn't fight? Because nobody wanted to fight him.
Speaker 3:Well, he fought, but he didn't fight as often as, of course. When you look, you got Wayne Cashman in front of you and some other guys at Boston.
Speaker 1:Bobby.
Speaker 2:Schmottz.
Speaker 3:And Pie Face and a little bit more in the frequent fighter program. Schmottz came a little bit later, but I mean, pie was there and fought a lot, hodge fought. He certainly scrapped, but yeah, he was one, he was very tough, tough ombre.
Speaker 1:Very tough ombre, tough ombre Very tough ombre, yeah, and he was spectacular. We had the pleasure of being invited into his home.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, beautiful home, wonderful wife Also welcoming, and we sat down with him for this interview. Yeah, that, honest to God, it was. It was relaxed, yeah, and funny and fun.
Speaker 3:It was Right from the start, right from the very start he had us at ease. He seemed so thrilled to have us there. It was a beautiful home and a gated community not far from Tampa. Yeah, we just, we just had a blast. They were so gracious both of them. I just loved it. I mean, him and his wife been together 61 years, I think it is.
Speaker 1:Oh, forever, you know forever.
Speaker 3:They were. They were Met when he was playing junior. Yeah, when he's playing junior in St Catherine's they meet and get married and they're still together. It's a remarkable story and he gave us just.
Speaker 1:She was the sister of his goalie.
Speaker 3:Yeah, remember that. Yeah, I do remember. Well, it comes out in the interview yeah.
Speaker 1:I like to tee it up. This is our. We're shooting the shot, yeah, Okay. A segment of the show which is brought to you by the Patterson Group of Golf Courses Cloverdale, Anderson, Yep and Emerald Licks.
Speaker 3:That's right, so Thank you Gib.
Speaker 1:And I'm going to be back with another episode of the Patterson Group. This is Shooting a Shot with Hos McGuire, ken Hodge. Hey, welcome to Offside with Haas McGuire. I'm Haas, I'm McGuire, and this is the segment we call shooting the shot, shooting the shot. And today we're shooting the shot with Bruins, legend number eight Ken Hodg, ken.
Speaker 4:Hodg, I know.
Speaker 1:I should have gone more. Liam knows more of the stats, yeah, well.
Speaker 4:I got a month, so so so we're here, liam, why don't you?
Speaker 1:why don't you like to introduce? You do the formal Well, you just introduced the show very succinctly. I did I did.
Speaker 3:It's great, it's awesome. Chris has got us going into the show and Ken, first of all, thank you for having us in your home. This is, this is my God, it's. It's absolutely gorgeous here and, yeah, look it.
Speaker 3:For those of you who may not remember Ken Hodg, because you're too young, because we're now dating ourselves, chris, because we remember him, this is a guy who broke in with Chicago Black Oaks, was in the big fellow Sposito deal of May 1567, which we'll talk more about later which brought him to the Bruins, which really was the final, the final piece of the puzzle. Bobby Orrick come in the year before Boston still missed the playoffs. They pick up as Sposito Hodg in Stanfield. The entire dynamic of the team changed Within a couple years. They got their first down. They've got two years after that. They've got their second.
Speaker 3:He has a 50 goal season. He scored 328 goals. He played over 880 games. He had 800 points. He had a 50 goal season. As I said, he played 97 playoff games with 79 points. Chris, and this is just unbelievably sitting here in his home talking to, as you said, a legend, not only that, on the line with Phyllis Sposito and Wayne Cashman. When they were put together the first year they set what was then the all-time record for points by a line. This is what this man and his teams accomplished in his time before he went to the New York Rangers, where he finished his career. Not only that, his son got in the NHL. He had all played hockey and involved in hockey at a high level, winning championships, east Coast Hockey League, his son playing in the NHL as well, as I mentioned Ken Jr and man, it's just a pleasure to be here, buddy.
Speaker 4:Thank you, I'll leave now. Thanks for coming down.
Speaker 3:Well, this is just outstanding. I gotta listen. I gotta ask you one thing right out of the gate, because you are the answer to a really neat anecdote you are the first non-Canadian-born player to have a 50-goal season, because you were born in England.
Speaker 4:And a hundred point season.
Speaker 3:And a hundred point season. So can you please tell us where was your dad from England? What's the process that had you born in England before, I believe, you moved to Toronto? You want?
Speaker 1:me to go through the whole horn.
Speaker 4:Liam didn't get to talk to his dad, my dad was in the armed forces over in England Canadian naturally and met my mother and they got together over in England. I was born in England and my mother came back to Toronto, canada, basically with my younger brother who she was expecting when she got to Toronto. So I was born in England during that period and my brother was born in Toronto.
Speaker 3:What age would you have been? Oh?
Speaker 4:my god age. Size-wise, I was premature. When I was born I was three pounds. Oh well, you filled in.
Speaker 1:We didn't need that one no.
Speaker 4:I was very lucky, very fortunate.
Speaker 1:And are you a 42, 43, birth 44.
Speaker 4:44, 1944.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so, right at the end of the war.
Speaker 4:Right at the end of the war. Right at the end of the war.
Speaker 1:Oh, that was a lot. That's a bonus.
Speaker 4:You know you talk about the word in a period of time. I don't recall that much being in England, whatever, knowing what they went through or whatever, but outside of listening to my mother talking about some of the bombings and some of the shelters and everything like that they had to be in. But it was a good time to come together.
Speaker 1:But suffice to say I actually didn't know that. And you know? I mean, I'm not known for my trivia knowledge.
Speaker 4:No, I know, that's for sure.
Speaker 3:He's very good on a lot of topics. He's carving me all the time, I know, and I love it. That's great. Can you come with us please? We'll be the three stuages there, you go.
Speaker 4:I used to be. You know what.
Speaker 1:No, we started talking before him before we went live or anything.
Speaker 4:But you mentioned that your wife and yourself have been together for, if you don't mind if I mention 62 years, 62 years which, if I'm doing the math, you were 18 years old you were playing hockey in St Catharines and how I met my wife basically was my brother-in-law was a gold tenor at that time for the St Catharines Blackhawks and she would come to the game to watch her brother. She didn't know that I was going to be the future, her future Really and we got together.
Speaker 1:I have a question about that though. No no, no, and because I know, like I grew up with the guys who made the show right, and each of them met their girlfriends and Jim Fox in grade school.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Right yeah.
Speaker 1:But met them as young men before they had made it, and what have you? And I've always wanted to ask how you feel about your success, as you can attribute it to your partner being that solid base for you or not. Like you know what I mean.
Speaker 4:It's absolutely true. And listen, you don't raise five kids. Have all five healthy kids. I have nine healthy grandchildren now and not have a good partner to take on a lot of the responsibility. I mean we weren't home that much yeah. We traveled by train and buses and everything like that back in the back in the early days. So somebody had to be there to go to the hockey schools, the camps, the school and whatever. And if you don't have a strong partner, you're in a lot of trouble.
Speaker 1:And it was obviously before you were famous that you met. So your fame, you know. Certainly in the 70s there was not a I mean to me anyway was not a bigger line, right? And so if you were a hockey fan in the 70s, you knew who Ken Hodg was. And if you were certainly in Boston in the 1970s, right, and there must have been women throwing themselves at you. Is this recording?
Speaker 2:Is this being?
Speaker 1:recorded Is this at the point where Ron Doogay told us it's a 30 year old and the story ends there.
Speaker 4:He said it's a good idea, by the way, I did not mean it in that way, but you know yeah, there was opportunities, there were situations or whatever. But you know, I think Baldwin would have the greatest saying around why would I go out and have a steak when I get? I got to play in the on at home, yeah, yeah, you know my relationship was tremendous. I mean, my wife and I did give him steak, and the kids and everybody, I mean we, we're all hockey buddies. You know much of the rinks together and whatever. And certainly during that period of time in the Bruins, when we're in our 70s and doing what we're doing in 60s and 70s, it was a great time to be in New England. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4:It was an honor to play in front of the Boston Bruins fans. I mean truthfully. I mean it was an honor to play in the National Hockey League. Yeah, I mean, here's getting Canada growing up and watching Stanley Cup and watching Toronto and watching Montreal and Detroit. Yeah, you know, chicago was basically gonna coming along, yeah, until they got Bobby Hull. And then they got rid of Hodge and Esposito, that's right, they went right back down to get that.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it was a great time it was a great era. I mean, I'm proud to say that I was part of that Bruins era. Back in that time, yeah, we helped cultivate the game. We helped cultivate the game off the ice as well as on the ice. You know, hockey exploded. I mean, they were building hockey rinks all over the place in New England yeah, all over the place to get the youth involved.
Speaker 1:Right yeah.
Speaker 4:I mean. So it was unique, it was different. It was a great time. I would change it for anything.
Speaker 1:So as a father, as a grandfather, okay, no no, but so what do you see is the importance of the game? I mean the? You know the game has gotten, some will say, out of hand, it's gotten too much about money, or whatever.
Speaker 4:Or we tell you what we made. No, it wasn't money.
Speaker 1:No well, no, this is the thing, but it's gotten about. And even for in the youth hockey it's quite expensive. Very expensive, but what? I mean obviously your, your children and probably your grandchildren are are going to be playing hockey, or play hockey in the past. Why is that? Why do you think it's important to play so players?
Speaker 4:have to give back, they have to get back to the community and they do. I think they do a great job. I mean there's a lot more attention focused on them because there are no variety and you know everything going on in the game today and it's the game. We got 32 teams in that argument so there's hockey everywhere yeah the.
Speaker 4:South, the North and East and West, I mean everywhere and I think it's great for the game and the players. I mean I I know a lot of the players or whatever. I mean we were just in Boston for the 100th Centennial Celebration and those players could have been so so much more nicer than what they were Really and they did a great job and you know they were respectful for us coming in to their territory.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I mean, I'm your back in the days when some of the older players would come back to the Boston Garden, the Boston in the room and whatever, and you would sit there in awe. Well, of course, we had Milch been hanging over.
Speaker 3:I know right.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I mean, some of the old names are just fantastic. Yeah, the players were just respectful to them.
Speaker 3:Did you ever meet any short?
Speaker 4:No, I did something. I played in Springfield. Yeah, I met, I just met his grandson. Okay, at the 100th Centennial anniversary. Yeah, I heard stories about Eddie. I've heard various stories about Eddie, but no, I never had the pleasure of meeting him. I met Doug Hardy at the end of his career, right? Yeah, I'm a rocker, a shard, naturally, gordy. How I played against that guy.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I know I know you talked about a hard-nosed player, yeah, a guy who was tough, you know, in all aspects of the game. Yeah, yeah, and it was great there. I mean, I couldn't. I'm the playtongue, henry Rashard.
Speaker 3:I know.
Speaker 4:You know, and I you know, I sit there at home and I said, you know, dad, watching the Stanley Cup, for watching Montreal Canadians and whatever the young days or whatever, yeah, yeah, would that be something to play against those gentlemen? Yeah, and you know, it was just great and you made it there and you played it.
Speaker 4:That's the big thing, yeah, you know. I mean I wonder if all the school teachers that put on this school and they didn't go to class and whatever they said. You know, I said I'm going to be a hockey player and they said, nah, you'll never make it. Sure enough, I made it. I was very proud about it, and so my mom and my father was very happy.
Speaker 3:Well, that's well said. Boki, you mentioned you know been married 62 years by Thanksgiving. Are you 63 years, knowing Phil Esposito? Who's he?
Speaker 4:You had to call, wait a minute. You had to bring him up.
Speaker 3:He tells the story and he just told us. He said we would ask him.
Speaker 1:You should ask him the story of how you first met. Yeah, if you recall the very first time you ever met him.
Speaker 3:He's got a very specific memory that he wonders if you.
Speaker 4:He has a memory about everything.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 4:I was 15 years old.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 4:And I was in St Catharines, Ontario, at training camp for the. It was that time that St Catharines used to teach tepees. The tepees, yeah, and before they evolved to become the black box. But anyhow, I'm in my room. I think I went to bed like at nine o'clock at night or whatever. All of a sudden they heard this banging on the damn door. We had a fire escape door, yeah.
Speaker 3:Eh.
Speaker 4:My friend and I are just what the hell is going on. Sorry, open the door. Open the door, the Sue Mafia. They charged it through the door, perchance at a time of late they were late coming in or whatever and Phil came right across my bed, jumped up Thanks Audrey, thanks Audrey. And away. He went to bed 11 or 12 o'clock at night. He had been over in Buffalo. Yeah, having a good time. Yeah, that was my first introduction to Philistus. I think he was sent home right after Back to the Sue. Yeah, no, he did, he'd say he did get sent back right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4:We were there to make the team at that period of our time Very us. We were there because we were owned by the Blackhawks, right, and basically we were in the Blackhawks system, yeah, and we just graduated up and all of a sudden we got a chance to go through a tryout at St Catherine's and that was it, yeah, and went home after that and had a good exposure and a good time and basically next year came back and made the team Unbelievable.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and we both still had been 15 at the same time he played. I even sat in the bench.
Speaker 1:Nothing's changed. And now, when you made it to the NHL, phil was few years ahead of you.
Speaker 4:Oh, was he ever he was in St Louis playing with the parking. Yeah, he was full hockey. Yeah, he was in the.
Speaker 3:ETH, ethl, ethl yeah. And he tore it up there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he tore it up, but how did you feel? Going Now, did you guys end up rooming together in Chicago when you like?
Speaker 4:when you guys got together in there. I'm just who he was rooming. He might have run away with he had only been number two. He was going to be number two. I had Elmer Vasco and Bobby Ho. Oh, they were rooming together in Chicago Two years ago. Wow, Moose Vasco and the Golden Vest. Oh my God, Wow.
Speaker 3:Because you scored your first goal against Daddy Jackman and the Rangers and and December 29th I believe it was just after Christmas, I think in 1964. Whatever it was, yeah.
Speaker 4:I don't remember. I don't remember the last one.
Speaker 3:Bill Hay drew one of the assists.
Speaker 4:Billy Hay was one of the first college graduates.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he played in the national high school. Yeah, the University of Denver. Yeah I could be wrong. Yeah, he was on the million dollar line, he was late.
Speaker 4:Yeah, belfer, holland and Hay.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:And basically he was late coming to training camp for some reason or whatever. Okay, the contract dispute or whatever, yeah, but uh, Eric Nesterinkle got the primary assist. Yeah, I mean, I was devastated in Chicago. I was the. I won the scoring championship in St Catharines, yeah, and the OHA at that time, which was the the league.
Speaker 2:The biggest.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the league league.
Speaker 4:Yeah and uh, and I felt I had a place, a position. I scored 63 goals in my last year at junior hockey and I felt, oh boy, I'm going to jump right into the line. I had Kenny Warren, eric Nesterinkle and Chico Mackey. Oh, chico Mackey was solid because he was the defensive player on the Hall of the Nesposito line. Yeah, he had Kenny Warren playing with Makeda and Mones. Yeah, and you had Eric Nesterinkle playing with Billy Hay and whoever, whoever else. Yeah, you know, yeah, and I, you know maybe it was a little cocky, the one that I deserved a lot more of a shot in Chicago yeah and uh, the trade game. And I was devastated.
Speaker 4:Were you really, I was really going to the last place team.
Speaker 3:Yeah, true. And we had just won the Prince of Wales Prince of Wales trophy.
Speaker 4:Yeah, the first time in Chicago. They won it because they had the Muldoon's.
Speaker 3:The Muldoon's occurs 50 years at that, 40 years at last, something like that 40 years, yeah.
Speaker 4:And then you know I'm going to almost. Then I wake up and you know what? March Hodges traded to Boston and went on. Well, boston, a pretty old celery boil.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:And you know them and the Rangers were fighting for the last 50 or 60 plays. That's unbelievable. And uh, and that was a year of expansion and whatever.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 4:And thank God I didn't go someplace else. But yeah, what did what did Boston? We had training camp in London, Nigeria, and uh, yeah, it's good thing. A blessing about being traded is you go with people they don't know. Yeah, you know, as you see, the one in Standfield we came up in the Black Box system All together, Yep, and so it was made a little easier. Yeah, and when I got there, there was a guy there that they had just traded Murray Alpert for from Toronto, Eddie Shack.
Speaker 3:Eddie Shack.
Speaker 4:Oh, my God, and. I'm going yeah, we'd be going around this way in the warm up and Shacky be going the other way and talk about keeping your head up during warm up?
Speaker 3:Yeah, really.
Speaker 4:But if he was a great fit for the Boston University. He became a character. Yeah, he became somebody who kept us light and loose in the locker room.
Speaker 2:Remember him as I'd L.
Speaker 4:I wasn't there. Oh yes, we were in Philadelphia.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and him and Shacky went at it.
Speaker 4:Yeah, but anyhow it was, it was a good time, it was good fit. Teddy Green was just coming out of a serious injury yeah, His knee was going bad. And Bobby was bought yeah, bobby was coming into his own. It just meshed, it just fit together. We had got everything with Tommy Williams Yep Was our left winger, yep, a right handed shot playing left wing with us.
Speaker 2:Was he American?
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, he was American. He was on the 80 team of squad. That's right, yeah, the 60 team, yeah 1960.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And basically Derrick Sanderson was at the trading camp and Turk was just coming.
Speaker 4:You know, derrick was just becoming Derrick. Yeah, and it worked out. It worked out to be great. You know, whoever put the lines together, whoever come up with the ideas of fitting this person with that person yeah, I mean great. I get Harry Sinner to turn us some out of credit, no question. But I give Milt Schroett the biggest credit of all. Yeah, making that deal.
Speaker 3:Yeah, how he made that deal with Chicago.
Speaker 4:I don't know.
Speaker 3:Highway robbery, highway robbery. Well, at the time, yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah, we never know what a trade's going to do until the end, so we can start working out.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Well, marot North and Martin I mean I guess Pitt Martin is the key going the other way. Yeah, but I mean at that point Phil in Chicago was starting to come into his own.
Speaker 2:We just talked about this with him.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and it seemed I was too young to appreciate what that would have meant at that time. But years later I thought like Bobby Hall, god rest his soul. He became a very good friend of mine and, to the day he died, it's the worst trade in Chicago history. God rest, rip the heart rate out of him losing you guys.
Speaker 4:And I hated the role I played in Chicago as a policeman or somebody who was a strong guy or whatever, and it just that was not what I wanted to be. Yeah, I thought I had a gift. I thought I had a gift. I mean I certainly was not as gifted as the players are today in the game. I mean the puck was square after I finished the second one with it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't know, ken, you're being pretty humble there. Buddy, you're picking up 50 goals on 100 points. Yeah, and 20,.
Speaker 1:I remember, with 20 goals, was it like, yeah, that was a great measuring stone. That was the measuring stone.
Speaker 4:You got 20 goals and you wanted to quit. You didn't want to get 21 or 22, because they wanted 24, 25. That's right. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:And I remember we used to talk about somebody yeah, 30 goal season. That was like, like you know what I mean. Over the top. And so I mean and how many times did you get 20 goals?
Speaker 3:That's a tough question, that's probably, maybe 10 or 12 times? Yeah, at least.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so there you go you scored 328 counts. No, no, that's what I'm saying All on.
Speaker 1:My second Is that no, but you know you did have a skill.
Speaker 2:I mean and certainly in Boston.
Speaker 1:From my record, I mean from being a fan I never thought of you as a bruiser. I was thought of you as a part of the goal scoring line. Like I never really looked at it from that way and I don't. I have no recollection of any time.
Speaker 4:We just don't have an identity in Boston.
Speaker 3:Big bad ruins.
Speaker 4:Big bad ruins. Yeah, one for all. All for one, yeah. And you know, at that time you could empty the bench and get into an altercation or whatever. Somebody Bobby Orwell's heard or Espeziola's heard yeah, charlie, and we intimidated a lot of teams.
Speaker 3:Yes, you did.
Speaker 4:And especially in that building. Yeah, it was so damn small. The ice circles were so small. We were probably the biggest line in hockey at one time.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you know, yeah, definitely Filled, filled calls at that line.
Speaker 4:I don't believe Phil meant that, but anyhow, we could intimidate people coming into our building. So it was almost a one or two goal deficit for that team coming into play and we'd be sitting there looking our chops waiting for a team to come in, especially a Spanish team. Yeah, you know Minnesota, LA, Oakland, you know whoever it was, yeah, so basically it was a good era. It was a good time, associated with the drawings and the building of the team, the building character, the building of a rapport that you know we weren't going to be pushed around. No, it definitely not. And it was one of the things that Milt Schmidt did when he brought Eddie Schack in. Yeah, and he brought in some of the other players he brought in to fit into the mold that he was looking for.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, I mean even a guy like Case for Haley. You know he didn't take any crap from anybody, and you know it was contagious.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it was you, chris, or you just feel strength because the other guy beside you was going to back you up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4:If you got in trouble, we were all there to get you.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like I'm a couple of years older than Chris, so that those are very formative years for me and I remember you. That's pretty freaking tough. I mean you think of the Wagers. Yeah, I'm just cashmongering.
Speaker 1:No, no, but what I'm saying is that the first thing when you think is here at Kenhodge, you don't think, de Somenko?
Speaker 3:No, right, no you know what you think. It's the expression that wasn't used then, but became a thing 15 years later. Power forward.
Speaker 4:Yes.
Speaker 3:That's what you were.
Speaker 4:You take Philadelphia, bradley, oles and you take these. They modeled themselves after us 100%. Absolutely 100% they did, it became bigger, stronger. Yeah, at one time I mean, you had to be fast.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:I mean, I remember the Montreal Canis.
Speaker 3:Sure Firewagon hockey in the 50s, he didn't have speed.
Speaker 4:And that was the way the game was. Yeah, it just evolved, it changed, it did.
Speaker 3:And before you guys. Really, to be perfectly honest, you want to talk historically. It was. The Leafs of the early 60s were absolutely ferocious physically. They never finished first in the league. They routinely won Stanley Cups because they were the cons, my bad from the 40s. You can't beat them in the alley, you can't beat them on the ice and they had six or seven guys that were good to go. You guys morphed into that. I don't think Milt or the Braintros copied the Leafs per se, but you became the big bad Bruins. And look, Milt had that idea.
Speaker 4:Yeah, he knew what he needed. Yeah, he needed some size, not to pit mark. It was small, or a Maroc was soft, but Bobby or kills Maroc, the two weren't going to fit together.
Speaker 3:No.
Speaker 4:So you had to get one. We're not going to get rid of number four, no. So it was a lot easier to get rid of the other guy and there was a market for him.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 4:And Milt made the deal and him and Tommy had it and got together and they, you know whether I was a throw in or Freddie was a throw in, who the hell cares? Yeah, who cares? We're just happy to be there.
Speaker 3:Three for three at the end of the day was three bodies common three bodies. It was the way it was, yeah.
Speaker 4:Back when you made a training three for three, it was three for two or one or whatever.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but things have changed in the game today. Things have changed for sure.
Speaker 1:We were talking about that. You don't know. You don't want your team to be with players, you don't want your team with salaries.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you have a salary cap now and you don't want to play with them, but that's in all sports. Yeah, it is Football, baseball, hockey, football, you know, whatever it is to have a salary cap now that you have to learn to live with, play with them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I have a question. I haven't asked anybody else this, but when you watch hockey now and you watch your son play, you ever sit back and go. I'm doing better.
Speaker 4:No, no. I mean when I watched my son Kenny play. His skill level was a lot higher than mine.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 4:I mean truthfully, I mean he could do things, because the game has involved and changed, yeah, and the skill level of players was changing rapidly. And you know, I got a son who's a defenseman. We played Merrimack College and he was drafted by the Bruins or whatever, and then up in the middle of it, a big bluesy guy with a 240 pounds or whatever, and you know, kenny was just the opposite, yeah, and my youngest son, brendan, was great skills but he could do all those things or whatever, and I'd be sitting there he's crazy, I can't do that and we got to play together in the alumni game Boston, whatever and that's where I had a lot of fun.
Speaker 4:I guess I had a lot more fun having the three of them on the ice with me.
Speaker 1:Whatever, it was a blast, yeah, I guess so.
Speaker 3:What about Bobby Orr? I mean, yeah, robert Gordon Orr, when you come, like I said, your last place team became there. You were disappointed in the trade. That was pretty interesting to hear you say that. That was neat. But when now you're seeing Bobby and now you're seeing him he's a teammate. He's in the dressing room. You get in the know him and you see what he's doing on the ice over that next one or two or three seasons, as you guys just climbed all the way to the top.
Speaker 4:I remember I played junior hockey against Bobby.
Speaker 3:Right, of course, canosh or whatever yeah.
Speaker 4:I never had the appreciation of his talent level until you got to play with him and you saw the things one on one that he had to do with the puck and how he controlled the game and how he changed the game. The rule of the defensive was don't go over the goal line at one time. Yeah, and you stay back. Yeah, I mean, he just took it to another level. Yeah, and just a great player, yeah, and a great human being on off the ice. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:No, he is that for sure, and you guys win that Stanley Cup in 1970 and his goal is immortalized of all time.
Speaker 2:Did they ever tell you the story?
Speaker 4:about that. Nope, we're going into overtime with St Louis and we're sitting in the locker room. Phil's over on the other side, the other can fill our sitting together with Johnny Bucev Esposito and Sanderson Pog's over there with Doniori Ron Murphy's on the left side. And then for Harry, the lineup who's going on the ice. We're all thinking you know shit, we're going to go on the ice. You know Phil, and then Ashwin, we're going to start the game and we're going to get the first goal. Harry comes in and he announces the lineup Westfall. Sanderson Winkrown, winkrown.
Speaker 3:What.
Speaker 4:What did he just say? And Sanderson turns it. Don't worry, phil, I'll get the first goal. Phil looks so you like hell. You will Sure enough. 30 seconds into the game, bing Bang, boom gone.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 4:I mean just yeah and we just you know but that's Harry's sitting in the room Harry's philosophy was they were going to put their top lineup and he wanted to put his defensive lineup which was Sanderson Barlain and.
Speaker 1:Westfall and Eddie. Yeah, it's hard to believe Derek Sanderson has the defensive line but he was.
Speaker 3:I know, but he was.
Speaker 4:Nobody could beat him on the. He was a great face.
Speaker 3:No unbelievable in the draws and him and Westfall penalty coming.
Speaker 4:Absolutely the best.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah but what he could do with a puck, though I always thought he was the first time and I still. I still do this. I still make this play with the hold behind the back pass, but a forward pass, but behind his back. I saw him do it in a game and I thought, oh, I got to do that, you know how many guys, how many kids do you think in Boston were emulating Bobby or flying through the air? Oh, thousands upon thousands I can tell you one thing they did it in Coniston too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:We did it there, we did it there I mean they show that high leg all the time, Non-stop.
Speaker 4:That's probably one of the best goals ever scored in a dramatic fashion.
Speaker 1:Oh, with no question.
Speaker 3:You got that the NHL and you got Henderson in the Summit Series and those two cut like from an international point of view and you got Bobby's from the NHL point of view, both. I mean Henderson goal come with 34 seconds ago and what it meant for the series and the month and everything else, and Bobby's, like you said, to win the Stanley Cup and then Noel Picard giving a little bit of a healthy hand.
Speaker 4:Glenn Hall tells the story. When they were doing a signing to the other hymn and card and Oregon, he said, bobby, do you ever score any other goals?
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's right. I heard that before. That's such a good line. I said I mean go ahead.
Speaker 1:Bobby, you are a great goal and I each fan and I have it is it my off.
Speaker 3:You've seen it. Yes, I've seen it. Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1:What was your favorite goal in your history? Did you remember when you go?
Speaker 4:I got a great story at the Luthorville scoring goals. We're playing New York in the playoffs and I'm having a great. I got a score.
Speaker 3:Hatcher is the rea-, yeah, the 72.
Speaker 4:And all of a sudden, right overtime comes, ace Bailey jumps out of the bench, scores a winning goal, goes around, brad Carr scores a winning goal, gets the top headline I scored three damn goals. He gets one and Ace Bailey wins the game. I mean those are, those are anecdotes. I mean those are things that you have fun with and whatever. But no, I don't think there's one goal that I really honestly remember in a dramatic fashion. I mean you can't compare that to the Oregon goal or any of the goals that Especial got or whatever. But you know, I'm just very, very fortunate. I was blessed in a certain way that I could put the puck in the net and I was a panel. That's what I had. I couldn't offer any more.
Speaker 1:Listen, this humility that you're giving off is just not working.
Speaker 2:We're going to have to end this interview.
Speaker 4:I'm telling you, I'm telling you the truth that you're lying about. Come on, but no, I don't know I don't think there's one particular moment you know it's certainly winning the Stanley Cup, certainly the playoffs in 72 when I think we as a team uh hit it to lose the game to Boston, but then to New York and went to New.
Speaker 4:York a little more satisfying maybe, but I think as a group, as a team, as a bunch of guys, a camaraderie that was in that locker room. You just, you know, you just wanted to be there. There would be a rush to get the practice, to see what was going on in the locker room.
Speaker 1:No, kidding, really.
Speaker 4:Wow, yeah, in that locker room. Yeah, that was our sanctuary and I think I'm not saying this to be but there was no women allowed in the locker room.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:I mean, and we just that was our sanctuary.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:We became friends with the reporters and all that and whatever, yeah, I mean, don't get me wrong I think women are doing one hell of a job in professional sports today.
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 4:I like the men that, but that was the sanctuary we weren't really trained or at least helped in drinking the barrier of having women in the locker room. They just came in and we're scattering for towels and those towels look like face loss.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:But I mean it was just great, the camaraderie of that team. You know I got to give a guy like Teddy Green a lot of credit. Yeah, you know, when I came to Boston they took the sea away from Johnny Deuzer, yeah, and we were in Westfall and we was Westfall Esposito, teddy Green and she had four ages, four ages, yeah, and we got she got back. We got the sea back the next year or whatever, but any help, teddy Green was a type of guy I know. You don't fool with Teddy. Teddy was very tough, very tough, yeah, and he overcame a lot of injuries and everything.
Speaker 3:Well, 69 and auto on an exhibition game.
Speaker 4:Yeah, we, matthew was my teammate in the same house, yeah, and I was in the hospital having my appendix out from that happen. Okay, yeah, in London it's having my appendix out, so I didn't get to see it or would ever, right, but I heard about it and it was devastating.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:And Teddy came back from that.
Speaker 4:Came back, but he was never. Never the Teddy Green, no. And then he jumped to the World Wide WHA.
Speaker 3:He was a good player. Yeah, I think you had a teammate at that time period. Well, a few of those guys. I've gotten old Don Orrey very well, obviously, Phil, but you had another guy back then who's become a really, really really good friend of mine, Rick Smith.
Speaker 4:I don't know He'll leave me here.
Speaker 3:He'll leave me who. He'll leave me here. He'll leave me who He'll leave me.
Speaker 1:He'll leave me. He'll leave me, he'll leave me, he'll leave me, he'll leave me, he'll leave me.
Speaker 4:Just with Ricky. We just had this centennial, he was there and whatever good teammate, solid player, nothing fancy about him or whatever, just a good solid player and a good teammate and a good friend and a good friend.
Speaker 3:he goes a ton with the Sends alumni.
Speaker 2:Does he really?
Speaker 3:Yeah, he lives outside of town but halfway between Ottawa and Kingston so he comes to a lot of the events and for many years he played he continued to play, but since he comes to the golf tournaments and things of that nature in the summer he was playing hard with my son in the alumni game back in Boston. Oh, he did eh.
Speaker 4:Yeah, Wow Well he's a beautiful. He's a great shape.
Speaker 3:He is, he's stayed in shape, yeah.
Speaker 4:He's not late 60s.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah, because he came out of the red wings. He was 70s, he was 70s. Yeah, he was.
Speaker 4:Because he was on the 70s.
Speaker 3:Yes, he was yeah, yeah. So I mean, he's got to be yeah yeah, yeah, because originally he was red wing property as he played in Hamilton, you must have played junior against him too. I don't think so.
Speaker 4:No, did you miss?
Speaker 3:playing junior against him.
Speaker 4:I hated that form, raking Hamilton home. Oh yeah, the pillars were hanging over the boards. Yeah, the steel stuff. Oh, before they padded them. Yeah, I mean it was, it was crazy, it was crazy, unbelievable man Unbelievable.
Speaker 3:So, mike Chris, I just no. Yeah, I would like to have been off of it.
Speaker 1:And I sit over here.
Speaker 4:Let me sit beside Chris for a second.
Speaker 3:He could jump in anytime.
Speaker 1:I'm just happy, that's it like that, you know what? And that's without a brew. Well, I had a whiskey sour before I came. Oh, did you? Yeah, he did a little something, primus out there, oh boy.
Speaker 3:Well, that's his drink of choice, by the way, whiskey sour, whiskey sour. That is his absolute drink of choice, which I With an umbrella. Yeah, you heard the other one Not so much.
Speaker 3:I want to ask you about Bobby Hull. There's a unique opportunity to talk to you about guys that you played with and certainly against as well, and you shared some great stuff about Bobby Hull and talked about Phil. How far back you guys go. But Bobby Hull, in Chicago, when you were there, you come up as a rookie. I mean him and Stan had to be larger than life, larger than life and you share anything about either dressing room or after games, post games, some of the frivolity. I mean we all know. I say we all know so many people know what the guy did on the ice. It was legendary, but what was he like? What was he like for you off the ice?
Speaker 4:A great mentor yeah, A great mentor to the game to me and what it meant to the game meant to him. He would hold a bus up at Grindelwald. Yeah, We'd be pulling them to get them on the bus at Grindelwald. So those stories are true? Yeah, absolutely, Absolutely. You know, we all know some of the stuff. We heard what?
Speaker 2:went on and whatever.
Speaker 4:So, you know what?
Speaker 4:I remember the good things. I remember the Bobby Hull that was a mentor to me took me under his wing when I came to the Black Oaks and really helped me find my way. And I mean I played against him when I was in Boston and I'll tell you he was a competitor and a tough competitor, but a great human being, a good guy and whatever. And after he was finished, I mean we stayed in touch. He was at my house and I got to tell you a funny anecdote about it. We were sitting around, we just had stakes and lobsters or whatever. At the house.
Speaker 4:Bobby Hull was doing a thing, an appearance, yeah, and we were sitting around the dining room table and I said, bobby, we can't go anywhere. We've had a couple of beers and some wine and we're going to just sit in the lax and whatever. He said okay, and I got my young son there, brendan, and he's looking is Brad Hull's spot, he's looking up at his eyeballs and I'm going yeah, this is Mr Hull. He says yeah, and Bobby says, yeah, I guess we're going to stay here. He reaches up, takes his damn hair off. No, hey, I'll put some on the table. He's even. My hair is tired, he says I'm not going to be bed. My son Brendan's eyes went boing and Bobby was just.
Speaker 4:Bobby was Bobby and he would want. He made you feel comfortable and made you feel part of the scene. It wasn't just about Bobby Hull, yeah, you know, if you were there with him, or whatever. It's just Ken Hodge. This is Phyllis Vizito. Yeah, this is Wayne Chico Mackey. I mean, come on. Yeah, you know, he made you feel part of the group. Yeah, and you know, didn't leave you out there on the ledge waiting. Yeah, yeah, but he was just a great guy. It was good to me. I had, you know, I had no complaints.
Speaker 3:That's awesome. Yeah, and I said to Phil when we left on camera, because you and Phil are both indirectly responsible for Wayne Gretzky wearing number 99.
Speaker 4:How would I do that?
Speaker 3:Because Phil got you to wear 88 and he got John Davidson to wear 00. Thanks, you have a very nice. Sorry about that. I don't think it was necessarily a, it'll happen later. He did. Yeah, is this not a true story? I'm not. Because Phil couldn't get seven. He came over in the trade in 75, preceded you. You came in 76, right you for Middleton. Phil come over, there's a new seat retail park, right. So Phil gets 12, five. He's pissed off. He's got seven. Joe Bares got it. Obviously Rod's not giving up. His career, is winding down. Phil goes. He tells us a story that was the trainer of. Somebody said go the double digit. Now the story goes and this is why I'm asking you for clarification for the first time. Did he go to you and ask you to wear? Allegedly he was so superstitious that he went and asked you to go to a double eight.
Speaker 4:You're right now. You're putting me on the spot. Yes, he did. Okay, I'm not even sending myself Right, steve Vickers Right, or a search.
Speaker 4:I'm probably Steve would have given it up to me if I really pushed or wanted it or whatever, but a number was just as far as I can. It was a number, still number eight in Boston. It still came, nearly came, but it was just a number. I could have cared less if I had 10 or 12 or whatever. Back in the old days they never went to double digits unless you were 12, 13, 14, 15, 15. Yeah, the gold tanners were 30.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and basically it was whatever it was there, because this is when Gretzky's in the suit and he can't get nine. He always wore nine and he couldn't get it. Being worn by a veteran named Brian Gulazi wouldn't give it up to him, so it was bombackle Genome.
Speaker 4:Yeah, genome bombackle.
Speaker 3:I think, and who said to him why don't you do what Esposito and Hodge are doing in New York? You want to wear nine Wear 99. Absolutely.
Speaker 4:I think a lot of that is fabricated because I think a lot of it came from Gordy Howe yeah, he wanted number nine to Emily.
Speaker 3:He wanted nine, yeah, because he wore nine in his entire minor hockey career, the exception of his first season. Talk about Wayne. Yeah, yeah, wayne's very, very, very, very first year of hockey. He wore number 11. Then he went to nine and he wore nine all the way through until, and even other than, we had the three games in Peterborough as our protective 15. And then he went to the Sioux at 16 and he couldn't get nine. He was suggested to go to 99 because of Phyllis Esposito and Ken Hodge in New York.
Speaker 4:Don't forget that. You know Lovue went to 66. 66. He went to nine flipped the number, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you know a lot of anecdotes.
Speaker 3:Well, I know it's a synaptic total thing. It's like you being the first knock in eight and scored 50. It's anecdotal but it's still historical. There's one here where you want to know these good words.
Speaker 1:You've done well in that card. You know what I have to coach him. Did he have a whistle? He had a whistle. He's only on pints. Liam is a he's got what most clinical descriptions would be a real problem, here we go, here we go, here we go.
Speaker 2:I don't think it was a problem at all.
Speaker 1:We were on a plane. So we were lucky because we got on a plane and both Liam Liam has a boy issue Zuber, inside off, we've noticed. Okay, and I, I'm glad you're sitting beside me. Yes, wow, so we're, but we're on the plane, which of course gets canceled, right. Yeah, but we're on the plane and we have to sit and we're waiting, we're waiting, we're waiting, and so, luckily, we kind of charm the the stewardess, the flight attendant, the flight attendant. I still call them stewardess.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I know me too Okay.
Speaker 1:Because my fantasy she's a stewardess.
Speaker 3:It's up, of course, absolutely, and so we charmers chance.
Speaker 1:Since we're waiting, you know, get us a couple of beer, so the whole plane. There's 300 people on the plane sweating waiting, you know, frustrated about this, and Liam and I. You're just too Canadian.
Speaker 4:That used to be the funniest sound at the back of the bus.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well the fine opening.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what was that?
Speaker 1:So, yeah, no, liam, like Liam, he gets his vocabulary and his phraseology All from alcohol. Yeah, yeah. That's what I think.
Speaker 4:A lot of guys have got that same thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Whatever works. Right, yeah, whatever works. Whatever floats your boat.
Speaker 3:Can just we won't keep it too much longer. But I'm staying the night oh yeah, great. Well, I'll tell you the beds upstairs and we were talking about that rivalry with the Rangers and how I wonder if you on camera could go over that a little bit, just about, because you were telling Chris this wasn't just a rivalry, to spell it out, rivalry, just how brutal it was between you guys.
Speaker 4:Well, both of our teams were basically identically built, okay, except we had already in part, yeah, and they had some great defense, they had some good points, they had two lines yeah, you know, we had two lines. Yeah, they had a defensive line and we had a defensive line.
Speaker 3:So basically we were compared together as far as you know, even the gold, tending was even the gold.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, jackamon and Vilmer, you know, bob Johnson and Cheesy, johnson and Cheesy, yeah, and there was a love hate relationship. We respected them, yeah, but we didn't want to lose to it. Yeah, we just hated them to come into our building or us to one of their building, and they probably felt the same way. Oh no, we went into their building, yeah, that there was no love loss between us, yeah, and we wanted to beat them. And not only did we beat them, we wanted to really beat them.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and it was a time of all things, because back originally the Bruins and the Rangers were fighting for last five. I know. In the 16.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Boy did that turn around.
Speaker 4:And that turned around or whatever. Well, expansion helped? Yeah for sure. That was 67 or whatever. But basically, you know, we just built a dislike for each other.
Speaker 3:Like Ken in that playoff game in 71, when Hadfield threw Plants Mask into the crowd and Derrick and Hadfield went at it, you guys had not won but two bench-clearing brawls in the same game against them.
Speaker 4:And somebody had a rubber chicken and beat Derrick. He was in the penalty box and all the boards. We went and whatever. Today you couldn't do that. No, you couldn't. You couldn't beat somebody who would have got a footstep on or somebody who would have got an injury or whatever, yeah. They talk about the millberry thing when he hits something I know With the shoes.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 4:I mean that would have been a big, big lawsuit and whatever. Yeah, and you can't. The National Academy has really come down on a lot of that stuff. Yeah, and they're not the sport, no. I know they don't want to sell the. Yeah, remember the. Remember when they used to have, was it CBS or NBC.
Speaker 3:Oh, the Sunday game of the week.
Speaker 4:And they had the Hanna-Berry.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was the. Yeah Big Barry, yeah Big.
Speaker 4:Barry, yeah, they wanted to get away from that. Yeah, they wanted to change the image of the game, I believe, and they've done. Yeah, and now you can just see, with skating outside and doing the winter classic and stuff like that, how the game is involved. Yeah, and how people. When you get 60,000, 70,000 people at a game, yeah, I mean, we'd be happy to get 15,000, 17,000 into the garden.
Speaker 3:I know right and you get 70,000 people.
Speaker 4:I mean, I was on the ice for an alumni game at Fenway Park, yeah, prior to the Brawling's playing again and the tie-up it was just exciting yeah. It was really exciting, it was fun to be part of, and now I know how these young guys feel.
Speaker 1:Well, and that leads me to ask a question, because I thought he was going to ask the last question. Oh yeah, I got several other questions.
Speaker 4:We won't keep you in my thought. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1:But it just made me think of something that Ron Dugay had mentioned, and Ron Dugay said one of the things that he misses is the crowds. Right, and playing in front of the crowds is a very different experience than me playing in my men's league. Okay, no, but you miss it.
Speaker 4:You miss it. You know, I can recall being in the Boston Garden and seeing the fans every night. The same people, the same people, the same people around us, yeah, and we'd be waving to them, we'd talk to them, whatever, and you became friends with them. We'd go out to dinner after the game. The team people would be at the restaurant we were at or whatever. We'd go over the game and they'd be buying us a drink at New Benjamin dinner and whatever.
Speaker 4:I don't think I ever paid for a drink at Boston until I went to film. You went to film no, I won't make sure to see that but the crowd meant a lot, the support we got from the crowds and knowing that the teams needed that burst of energy and the fans were just tremendous. I mean, they said you're already on. It was an honor for me to play in the Boston Garden with those fans. Yeah, sure, some of the fans gave you a lot of crap, but nine times out of ten you got the support and the adulation of the fans and we never had a losing season in Boston or whatever. So it made it even nicer when you looked at the building.
Speaker 3:Well, you're winning cups, going to finals, winning the majority of your games, and I think it's 71, it's not even any of those discussions. Look at your regular season it's insane 399 goals 37 team records.
Speaker 4:I think that was a devastating loss in the 70s. That made us built up for the 72.
Speaker 3:For 72, yeah.
Speaker 4:And, granted, our nemesis wasn't part of it. I mean, montreal lost in the 70s series and they lost it in the 72 series.
Speaker 3:The Rangers beat Montreal in 72. We had to face the Bruins.
Speaker 4:The Habs.
Speaker 1:Let's just say the Leafs.
Speaker 4:Well, what do you think? I remember a game in Boston. I felt bad for Johnny Dower. I think we won like 7-0 or 8-0 or something in the first two games of the series in 7. And I really felt bad for Bauer. Really, I enjoyed it.
Speaker 3:Punch in the left was behind the bench. Oh yeah, that was 69. That was the 4B Kennedy. Last one, tim Horton excuse me when Pat Quinn hit Bobby Horton and started World War 3. And then 4B and Johnny Mackenzie fought like 17 times.
Speaker 4:And they were friends. You know, they were friends, I know, I know.
Speaker 3:Well, 4b played in Boston at one point. I know Pa moved around too right In Chicago Bruin. But yeah, the rivalry though and I'm so glad you touched on it, that Boston-New York rivalry gets people talk. Battle of Alberta, battle of New York, montreal, quebec. And they all deserve their accolades in that set not accolades but description. But you and New York in your time period was vicious.
Speaker 4:That was our love-hate relationship. We respected them, and yet we didn't want to lose them.
Speaker 1:Well, and I think we also discussed it it was off camera, but that the rivalry in cities. You don't get tougher people than New York, boston.
Speaker 4:Like if you're from East Boston you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:You know, from New York you get some guys from the Bronx. I mean, they're ready to hate the guys from Boston, I don't forget.
Speaker 4:The buildings were like it. The buildings were built straight up and down you know the second balcony. They were leaning over the edge Right over there.
Speaker 3:They could throw anything you wanted at here or whatever. How far did you live from the rank? The Boston guys 15, 20 minutes, but most of the guys.
Speaker 4:I'm a North Shore. We all lived, I think, basically yeah, I'd say a majority of the North Shore Because the so-shore, the commute coming in, would have been terrible Coming into the garden and I think Phil tried that the first year here in Freddie Stamfield lived in a braindtree when we were in the Saugus area in the North Shore and he ended up coming up to the.
Speaker 3:North Shore. Yeah, phil was telling us oh, here you go. No, this is a good one, no, this is easy. He was just saying well, chris and I are asking him about when you guys won a cup. And he asked about putting it over his head and Phil said I never did. You know, clarence Campbell called the chief out, music took the cup.
Speaker 4:Went around the ice, went in the locker room.
Speaker 3:And then you guys went in the locker room.
Speaker 4:Yeah, like there was nothing like that. There is today, yeah, and the pitchers and everything that the guys do today on the edge of something, do you?
Speaker 3:remember in either 70 or 72, how, how, the, not all the details, but you remember how the party was. Do you remember where you went or where the team went on either occasion or?
Speaker 4:In the old in 1970, we won the cup and everything was in the locker room. The festivities and the wives were in the Celtics locker room, okay, right next to us, or whatever, and we never got to share back and forth or whatever. Okay, the beer would become a champagne was off layer and champagne, I mean, it did bring your eyes. Yeah, we were beer, and Budweiser was one of the biggest sponsors. They were bringing bottled beer, bottled beer down from the second floor, okay, to the locker room, in case we had. We had a celebration and that's, that's basically all we did. I mean, you know, my parents, my dad and I think all the parents, all the families, were in the locker room. Really, yeah, my dad was there, my son, phil's father, eddie Westwell's father, brother, it was just a different Sanderson's father, it was just a congested area. Yeah, we're all just celebrating, yeah, it's a dream.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you know, when you grew up in Canada and you see the Montreal Canadiens and the Trumpet, the Detroit, and all of a sudden you get part of that celebration. Yeah, and the cup was you know just great. Similar in 72, similar oh yeah, we were in Montreal, we were in New York when we were on the road.
Speaker 3:We were in New York on the road.
Speaker 4:So we really didn't do much and we had to charge our back and we went to a, the branding iron, which was a Bobby Orr restaurant in Boston, and our wives were meeting us there or whatever, but they was bedding them at the airport. Oh yeah, eastern terminal was just a mob scene. They were taking the monitors off the wall. It was just crowded, it was jammed. How do you got word that we were coming in on the charge?
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 4:We had to go through the tunnel to get to the bar.
Speaker 3:Really, and it was called the branding iron.
Speaker 4:It was the branding iron. Bobby Orr had an affiliation with George Page. Okay, and Bobby hosted the party along with George Page. Really, the branding iron. We got up the next morning. Yeah, after that celebration, we had to go to City Hall, okay. For the parade For the parade.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:For the parade. Back on. That time we went right to City Hall. Okay, From the balcony in 72. Yeah, From the balcony in 72. That's the time when Johnny McKenzie threw the bureau in the mirror's head.
Speaker 3:Oh great, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I mean we could get away with a lot. Yeah, believe me, it was a good, good, good era to be a part of the bullets. Yeah, yeah. But there was thousands of people. We were sitting on the balcony at the city hall outside looking at this strong of people. It's just unbelievable. Yeah, we didn't have to parade that year in 70. We had to pray and it was just it was jammed.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that will be it.
Speaker 4:Yeah, there was no organization. There was no, you know, no organization. You were just in the convertibles, right, and it was just. It was crazy, yeah, it was crazy. We got there and you know, I was just so happy to be part of this. Yeah, I think I was still hungover.
Speaker 3:And I gotta go to the limbo and say that yeah, yeah and Eddie Westphal.
Speaker 4:In 1970 he worked for Carly's brewery. Okay and he had beer made up with 1970 Stanley Cup champion.
Speaker 2:Boston, really.
Speaker 4:Wow, they're around someplace and I don't know where they are. Wow, he had beer made up for it.
Speaker 3:Phil was telling us about speaking of memorabilia.
Speaker 1:Well, this is yeah, so there were four of these golden pots that that.
Speaker 4:You have one up and has one original original owners. Yeah, Johnny Busek sold his to somebody back in Bridge Plenty, I believe Bobby Orlostus and yeah, so, and Now is that this is?
Speaker 1:he says it's solid, it's a gold plated solid Carragola solid.
Speaker 4:It's a plate, it's a place above four and a half pounds, the shape of a half.
Speaker 1:Of gold with the Bruins, like because he showed you showed us a picture of it and we have another. We have a picture. We'll post that, like when we do this, do a picture of it, and so you still have yours and it's so and obviously you know you have your, your son, and you have your, like you've you're set your whole family like. So what is the plan? So, phil's he's been asked about museums and stuff like that.
Speaker 4:I've been toying with the idea of doing a lot of things with it, or whatever, but I think I've come to the conclusion that we're going to put it into a family trust, oh yeah, and auction it off In some regard or whatever. Yeah, people have acquired about it Whatever, and I don't know what I'm gonna do with it. Truthfully, I mean, it just sits around like stuff and whatever, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, listen, I can hold it. I, yes, I can probably buy the country a base a great story about that.
Speaker 4:To get this in 71. We got to you. I gave to my dad. I said, dad, here, I don't, just can't think about that one, I gotta do it in gold was only about 30 dollars an ounce back then or whatever. And he says you're sure? I said, yeah, you can take it back to Canada. I don't know, never realize the true value or whatever. We're never worried about the true value. But dad comes down he says Can you bring the puck down? I got somebody who's interested in looking at a weird one. We did a thing with him. Okay, he brings that. He says you don't mind, it's a little lighter than what it was when you gave him. This is. I had some fillings done in my. What are you doing things like that? Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure we have many of them. Well, my thought was.
Speaker 1:I think it's. It's a hockey home of fame type of things, because there's not I don't know of any other team. I've never heard of that as a piece of memorabilia that the team has ever created, and certainly they'd be cost-prohibitive now. Yeah.
Speaker 4:You, I, I headed the value of the puck alone, just a gold value, that's 50,000 Gold. Yeah, when it was created or put together, I would say Probably me about three thousand dollars. When the influence yeah, they bought for me. And you know, yeah, the company is out of business, now called belfer jewelers. Yeah, we did all the college reams and then high school brings in all that. Basically, they, they put it together. How they came up with the idea, I don't know. Yeah, but it's a solid piece of Uh.
Speaker 3:I want to take knowledge that.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's point score Absolutely and and but there's a lot of history that goes with it. Someone like that debated back and forth about the the value. Yeah, the gold value was one thing, but the story right that's that's exactly that's, if you can.
Speaker 3:That's the why factor here.
Speaker 4:If you can find somebody who really is a historical person. Yeah, the history of the game or whatever. I mean my kids used to play with in the in the living room when the carpet floor rolled around or whatever. You know, back when I got it, what are you going to do with this dancing? Yeah, yeah. So probably some of the guys on the team were a little upset that they didn't get part of it. Nice boys.
Speaker 3:Wow, you know when they get the hundred point you had seven guys in the top 11 scoring that year. It's unbelievable.
Speaker 4:I mean cash room wasn't. I think cash room was what 90 points or something like that wasn't that far behind.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you know it was. It was a great, great Time, yeah, but a very disappointing time, yeah, I lost though.
Speaker 3:Well, like you said, a primer maybe for 72.
Speaker 4:Yeah, much, real, much real locked us out Well right, you know you get, you, get we.
Speaker 3:how many times do you see bolt under, step up and and? And Phil talked about it. They didn't tell you it wasn't just right.
Speaker 4:No, they had four top defensemen. For final, there were a wall also.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you know, you know the parri air Robinson you know they weren't, they were slow cheese.
Speaker 4:No, I think all of them are in the home.
Speaker 3:Well, that's the other thing that gets lost over time. Is that because you guys were 24 points ahead of the standings and it looked like a mismatch? Because you smoked them the end of the regular season when Phil got the 76 goals and scored a hatrick, and but then Ken starts the playoffs. You know, and it wasn't Phil beer, it wasn't real give ash all, it was Ken Dryden and I don't think nobody had a book on him. You know, yeah, leaning on that goal, stick kicking out BB's and still, I mean the series still went seven games and you know like it could have Whatever, but I mean, obviously he proved it wasn't a fluke. They went on and beat Minnesota to beat Chicago.
Speaker 4:So I mean, you go right through that lineup. Yeah, come on.
Speaker 3:Well, that year, I mean you still, you're available when it's last year, who like? Let's be honest, ken, it all changed in game. Two, yeah, five, one lead. They came back right Seven, five. That without that's where the series Bobby Russel, bobby Russel, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 4:Those names still haunt you. Yeah you know, and the Bruins have always had a little bit of a stigma Of, you know, going into Montreal and losing the Montreal, and I think they well went forever.
Speaker 3:Went from 4040s let's just not talk about this 43 to 88.
Speaker 2:You gotta talk about it.
Speaker 4:I know it's factual.
Speaker 3:Yeah yeah, but they ever came that they did yeah, yeah now, when they won that last cup from 2011.
Speaker 4:I mean they beat Montreal in the first round in overtime game seven.
Speaker 3:As we know, nathan Horton so.
Speaker 4:I still remember the goal that the game, of course for yeah you know, try the game. Roos were leading right, yeah yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, it's just a Montreal that's found a way. It's on for many years to, like you said, until 88, with Boston finally started getting some W's on their own. But uh, that's great stuff, man, yeah you know, absolutely.
Speaker 1:I know I have to thank you before we end this. We're trying to do this thing and I know you like to. You used to like to go out and have a good time with guys. If you ever go to periote, have you ever done that? It's bad enough hanging around YouTube guys. You're gonna invite me something?
Speaker 2:No, no, no, no no, what if you go out?
Speaker 1:It's just a question, it's just a question Want to know what's your go-to song at karaoke bar. If you were to go out at karaoke singing. What are you singing?
Speaker 3:when you're in the car. What's your favorite song? Maybe that you might try at karaoke bar.
Speaker 4:That's a tough question to ask, because I'm a big country in western yeah, there you go.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Chris does too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, can he, can he chesty, oh, you like all yeah, we're gonna wear you're like no shirt.
Speaker 4:No shoes, no Better one.
Speaker 1:Which one?
Speaker 4:a party at all last night.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, there you go, there we have it.
Speaker 3:There you go.
Speaker 1:No, no, we have it. We have it because I honestly believe that the go-to song for somebody's karaoke Actually it was the honesty with my wife, but the go-to song really tells a lot about the person, right? So?
Speaker 4:we now? We know that's a party last night.
Speaker 3:Yeah, exactly so that's both picked Frankie Valley song. That's right. That's what had a Frankie Valley song Y'all are so in America. Oh, that's is better he's a pussy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh listen, this has been absolutely fabulous. Yeah again, uh, you know.
Speaker 3:I can't thank you enough.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's great. Oh, you know what? And we thank everybody else for watching it. This has been uh Uh shooting the shot with uh haws of mcguire.
Speaker 3:I'm haws, I'm mcguire, yay.
