Offside with Hawes and Maguire
Offside: with Hawes and Maguire is not your typical hockey show. This weekly
45-60 minute show is a potent combination of humour and genuine hockey insights that pushes the envelope.
- Liam is renowned for his photographic memory, lively storytelling, vast hockey knowledge and sometimes over-the-top passion for the game of hockey.
- Chris is known for his unrehearsed humour, contagious laughter and uncanny ability to make even the most serious debates end in boisterous guffaws.
Between the two, there is an infectious enthusiasm and professional chemistry that is evident from the outset. It can only be described as lightning in a bottle.
Offside with Hawes and Maguire
NHL Legend Larry Robinson Tales of Hockey Glory, Fisticuffs, and the Quest for the Cup
Hawes and Maguire, we are your tavern storytellers, weaving the vibrant threads of hockey's past, present, and future into your ears. Crack a cold one and settle in as we share a tapestry of tales and the heartwarming connections that link Canadians coast-to-coast. Whether you're here for the nostalgia of legendary players like Larry Robinson or looking to dissect the strategic intricacies of the NHL playoff race and awards predictions, we've got the puck and we're taking it to the net with anecdotes sure to leave you cheering for more.
Picture this: a rink echoing with the clinks of medals, the roar of cheering fans, and the occasional fisticuffs that have shaped the hockey narrative. This is where we find ourselves, dissecting hockey's unique culture - from the endearing stereotypes to the orchestrated on-ice showdowns that sometimes overshadow true sportsmanship. Grappling with the role of fights in the sport, we raise our sticks to the past and present enforcers, while also tipping our helmets to the unsung heroes who make each game possible. And when it comes to predictions, listen as we place our bets on who will skate away with the NHL's most coveted trophies this year.
Our bench is deep with stories that are as unforgettable as a game-winning goal in overtime. We've chatted with hockey royalty like Larry Robinson, sharing locker room legends and hearing firsthand about the impact of athletes like Guy Lafleur on and off the ice. The tape rolls on as we plan a nostalgic village pub-crawl and reflect on the careers that shaped us, including my own shift from the Canadiens to the warmth of Los Angeles. Join us, your hosts Hawes and Maguire, and let’s skate through a journey filled with the glory and grit of the game we all love.
it's offside with haas mcguire. Hey, welcome to offside with haas mcguire. I'm haas, I'm mcguire, and uh, today we're drinking. You know, it's the little things that please him so much. So, true, right, we had a major celestial event today. We had the solar eclipse Of the heart yeah exactly Now.
Speaker 1:Here's the problem with the solar eclipse. It was a pretty big letdown, yeah, for me, and I was saying to Kristen about this before you know what. I remember being let down when I was younger too. The last time it happened was, I guess, 79. Right, okay, yeah, and I remember it was like, yeah, you know.
Speaker 3:Don't remember it, then you didn't watch it now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, I guess it's cool, the lighting changes a little bit. But you know you can accomplish, can accomplish that like with your fucking sepia on your fucking phone, right, like you can change all that. So so I I don't know it was, it was not the big event that everybody in the press made it out to be. They were going on. There was live coverage on tv. Oh, I know, like you know, ctv graham richardson is very serious, very serious guy, very serious, very serious guy and serious. There's this guy and he was talking about. This is a once in a lifetime, once in a lifetime experience. Except that I've had it twice myself. Yeah, right, and there's going to be others there'll be kids that are alive right now.
Speaker 1:You know 20, 90, 20, 44 that's the next one 44, yeah, 20 years. Oh shit, that's nothing. Well, exactly, yeah, 20 years. I may even be able to like with listen, given my health concerns probably not. But point.
Speaker 3:I don't think either one of us will be there, but there'll be lots of people I could be there I've got 20 years left, not an open hell neither you or me all right.
Speaker 1:well, we're gonna start this episode with the what did you do this weekend? I think, fuck off. I know you did something exciting.
Speaker 3:Yes, I did.
Speaker 1:You're very happy you were up in kind of my neck of the woods. The second neck of the woods? Yeah, if it's not Sudbury, it's the Gatnos. Okay, okay, yeah, where my mother's family's from.
Speaker 3:Okay, okay, yeah my mother's family's from. Okay, okay, yeah, um, you know. So they came from Ireland and went up there, okay, but then she met your dad and went to your mom, went to Sudbury. How'd your mom get from?
Speaker 1:my dad's from Nova Scotia. Oh, that's right too. Okay, so my dad's from Nova Scotia, they met in Venosta. Swear to god, no word of a lie. They met in Venosta, mclaughlin country. Oh, they're real, they're related. You're like you know that, like we're related. So, um, so they met in Vanosta, mclaughlin country. Well, they're related, you're like you know that, like we're related. So they met in Vanosta. My dad was up, he was, you know, young, whatever, and he had come to Ottawa because there was no work in you know Scotia back in those days. They would go on the weekends. He did go up to Vanosta, and so my dad goes to the dance and he sees this girl. My mom, who had come with another guy, left with my dad and then, 50-some years later, they were buried together on their 50th anniversary. Really, yeah, you were in Lowe, I was in Lowe, you were in Lowe at a big hockey tournament.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I want to give a shout to scott mahoney, who's a cousin, first cousin of steve mclaughlin okay, and so probably the other sides I would assume, yeah, right, I guess, but uh, uh, he runs a.
Speaker 3:It's an annual, um, yeah, men's tournament, um, I, I want to say the age groups are 35 and over and 45 and over I may have that wrong maybe 40 and over, okay, but but uh, we were in the 40 category, right? Yeah, I wasn't playing, but I was asked to go out and kind of just, you know, help out on the bench a little bit. I, I was telling the guys last night after they, we won the tournament, uh, which is anytime you do anywhere, anytime. It's just such an amazing experience. It's just 10 minutes into the first game, I was fully invested. Yeah, you know, I just absolutely I could have been back behind the bench with Rory, you know, yeah, I just felt like fully invested again. Bubba, chris, who you know, basically put the team together.
Speaker 1:So he talked to me about it. Yeah, and he said that you were coming to coach. He said why don't you come and coach as well? Yeah, and I said no, I didn't you know what I mean and I'm not up to playing, but I said what I will do and I didn't do this. I said I was going to tell you to bench Bosick for me.
Speaker 3:Bosick takes so much grief. Todd takes so much grief. He wears it so well I mean the basically like he's. He's got a patch on his shoulder from an injury, he's got this and that and the other thing he's not had the seriousness that you have had right health-wise, but he's had a number of of injuries that are certainly restrict his hockey playing, not the least of which is he needs to lose some weight and he knows that he's lost a bit of weight. He has lost, actually told me he has lost and he's going in the right direction.
Speaker 3:I told him to keep it up because this guy I want to tell you you didn't know him back in the day. I knew him back in the day and, first of all, I don't care, I'll take him on my team anytime because I'll tell you what he is a tough dude man. Todd Bossett can throw him like. That's the biggest mistake anybody could make is think you got to walk over just because that guy isn't in shape or whatever. He's fucking tough and I take him on team anytime and he took so much abuse from the guys. They just well, he takes it left, right and center and he scored a beautiful goal, oh good. In the second game. Just a snapper, yeah, and it right off the post. It in, yeah, and it was a beauty. But uh, it was four games, supposed to be five but had some rink problems but Scotty got it all taken care of that.
Speaker 1:Gatineau Arena great history there, you probably know a lot if you've been up there. No, not a lot. I'll be honest with you. Do you know where I actually played hockey On the outdoor rink? Okay, okay, in Venosta.
Speaker 3:Well, that's where that league was.
Speaker 1:Okay, really.
Speaker 3:Famous, famous national. In fact, sports Illustrated wrote a story on it. Get out, sports Illustrated did a story on the outdoor league from Lowe and Venosta and all those towns. Really, they played an outdoor league with five-minute majors for fighting, full contact, and it was a story that sports illustrated picked up 40 years ago. Really, yeah, oh, we used to. You had to have property or be from the town or own property right to play on the team well I could have well, I mean my grandparents like well, I probably would have qualified you.
Speaker 3:I'm not sure.
Speaker 1:I'm not sure, scott would know, stevie, but I don't, you know so so, but that that's in the old league.
Speaker 3:Yeah, well, yes, as soon as you mentioned you played outdoors. Yeah, yeah, this league was an outdoor, but that was just on a like we'd go up on the weekend. Oh okay, you'd play some pickup or something We'd pick up outdoors, okay, okay, yeah, it wasn't in the league or anything like that. I mean they have a beautiful outdoor rink there Like their house league teams would routinely in the winter when we used to get a winter would routinely practice out there, like they would take the Zamboni out there, hey we never had.
Speaker 1:growing up in Coniston, we got our arena in 1972. Yeah, so that meant we were playing before that. We were playing on the outdoor rink. Wait, there was no rink in Manatee until 75. Well, there you go. I was in Midget, yeah.
Speaker 3:We had to play the Osgoode Arena that had no artificial ice until I was in Peewee, yeah. So we had to start in Kempville before, because they had artificial ice, and then, once the ice froze in Osgoode, then you could come play in your hometown, your home area.
Speaker 1:Did you know that we were so poor we didn't even have pucks. We had to play with bricks. We were so poor.
Speaker 3:All right, wow. Anyway, shout out to Lowell, shout out to Scotty and that tournament you get a chance. I don't know, scotty, if you have an online presence or not, but I highly recommend it. So many adults still, so many guys like to still play.
Speaker 1:Well, maybe I'll make the cut for next year's team. Well to talk about, it's gonna be tough I'll tell you what we picked up.
Speaker 3:This defenseman, um beaver doug hume, got hurt. Uh, first game couldn't play second game. We picked up a guy as long as you played one of the first two games and qualified you for sunday ben casson, I believe his name was played. Canada valley lasers played about four years a pro. When you're adding a guy like that to the lineup, he's 45 years old. He's a young guy. It's a game changer. It's a game changer putting a guy like that in the lineup.
Speaker 1:I did notice that you have that guy, woody. Yeah, woody, I played against him and he's a sweet hockey player, he's deceptive.
Speaker 3:His shot is unreal. He scored eight goals in four games um he. In fact he was in on almost every goal we scored yeah, no, no, he's beautiful rocket was our next best forward.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and well, listen when rocket's the next best forward.
Speaker 3:I know what does that. Tell you what you got right exactly, and he scored, of course, uh, almost every game as well and was, and uh, in particular game two. I told him, I don't know, sometimes he just the fuel ignites, you know he was absolutely flying out there.
Speaker 3:We've all seen it, I know but my god, was he flying in game two? He's probably our best forward, although Woody just right through, just dominated, but you know it's just so many other guys chipped in, but it was uh, we had a tough team too. You just you need to be able to handle when the shit goes a little sideways. I don't care what you're playing, it's gonna happen. It's gonna be a little push and shove, and the other day you've got ready when any fights.
Speaker 3:there was a fight in the tournament but not not in. Uh, just one fight is all they had, which I think is a testament because you're up in an area you know, you know it's not downtown Ottawa and I'd say people aren't tough in downtown Ottawa, but once you get into the rurals, pontiac area, the valley, that sort of town, these places, these towns, guys I think are a little bit more quick to maybe lose their temper Absolutely.
Speaker 3:And so the fact that it was only one fight, fight again, I think, testament to how well it was organized. And and and just you know, pizza. After the game you could buy a case of beer at the pub upstairs there, bring it right down to your room, you know. You could walk around in and out of the door holding a beer.
Speaker 1:There's no one there ready to write you a freaking ticket wow you're drinking a pint. But it is the province of quebec, that Quebec, where they've just made it illegal for smoking in daycares, but they do have a smoking area for the kids.
Speaker 3:A smoking area for the kids Right so?
Speaker 1:it is.
Speaker 3:Anyway, rambled on enough about it, but wanted to thank Bubba for asking me out. And man, oh man, that was fun and we lit it up large there. Oh, that's good.
Speaker 1:I'm glad you had a good time. Yeah, again, I did nothing of any merit, but what I did do was I was following stuff, I was watching hockey. Oh yeah, okay yeah, what caught your eye? Well, it's funny. I was watching the Ottawa Senators game New Jersey, new Jersey game. Yeah, caught your eye. Well, it's funny. Uh, I was watching the ottawa senators. Yeah, uh, game, new jersey right, new jersey game, yeah, and um. So a couple things caught my eye, okay, uh, brady kachuk yeah okay was nhl record flying.
Speaker 1:yeah, okay, he was all over. He was, you know, to be honest, like it was a bit willy nilly, okay, but he was doing his best. He got a lot of. He got a lot of opportunities. You know what I mean he was. She was just like throwing. You know what I mean? Leaving his feet every three seconds. You know what I mean? To hit somebody. Okay, now I got to say and I know that you brought this up something to talk about, because at the end of the game, right with the empty net yeah, and Ottawa had some they hit the post with a few seconds left.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I still can't believe how that didn't go in. But, you know it's just one of those things A valiant comeback, but just too little, too late.
Speaker 1:But then, at the very end of the game, a breakaway onto the empty net Time. A break break away onto the empty net. Time had run out and, um, uh, he sure are you. What's that? He sure? He sure, he sure? Yeah, okay, uh, he didn't shoot, he directed the puck. Yeah, this guy okay, and then? And then kachuk got a little pissy about that, yeah, so what are your thoughts on that particular situation?
Speaker 3:well, first of all, to chuck. Chuck's set an NHL record. I mean, that's to your point, 26? 16. Oh, 16. 16 hits, most ever since they started recording hits 27, 28 years ago, whatever it was formally, and that's just phenomenal. He also scored the goal to make it 4-3. I mean, he did all of it himself scored the goal to make it 4-3.
Speaker 3:I mean, he did all of it himself. The guy I think is one of if not, I know they're going to miss the playoffs the seventh year in a row, but he's my favorite. I just love the guy. Tell me any team that wouldn't want that guy on the roster.
Speaker 1:No, absolutely. He's unfreaking, believable.
Speaker 3:He drags, if need be, or he pulls, he brings or he pushes his team into the fight almost every single night. And what happened at the end I want to mention, of course, because of the hoopla surrounding Ridley Gregg slap shot at the end of the net, which was unsportsmanlike, and Morgan Riley's reaction, which was even more unsportsmanlike and rightfully so suspensionable. And it was, and he was suspended. And we all know, and everyone's got, as soon as the schedule comes out, we'll circle the date next year, Because something will happen. It'll probably be. I don't think so, oh yeah, For sure. There will you think so? Oh yeah, 100%. If nothing more than a Greg Riley taffy pull, there'll be. Some sort of consternation, will be in the game because of that. I'm almost willing to bet on it. And will it be?
Speaker 1:Rempe McDermott. No, it doesn't seem like it's worth it.
Speaker 3:That doesn't matter, I think, to the guys it will. Riley came in and gave Greg a brutal cheap shot. Now, greg did sell it a bit and you know, I think he also knew that he'd probably done wrong. But as he said many times and we've already discussed this- you know, he got caught up in the moment.
Speaker 1:Fact is here, sure he? Sure here's. Here's nico doing, doing an unsportsmanlike thing as well. And I wasn't, though, directing the puck into the net after the whistle. Yes, was not.
Speaker 3:It was not taking a shot, it was just ah, doesn't matter, doesn't matter, got a penalty for it too. The refs gave a penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct. So not only did he do the wrong thing, but but even by the letter of the rule book, he was penalized for it. So, regardless of what you and I think the NHL rule stipulates, if you put the puck in the net after time's expired, it's unsportsmanlike conduct. By the rule of law, you get a penalty. Now, ridley Gregg didn't break any rule. That's more of a moral code or whatever you want to call it. However, to me they're interchangeable, absolutely interchangeable. Sens fans crying because Riley ran at Greg after all. Oh, look at fun, ridley Greg, take that slap shot. That's so good, that's a way to go, ridley, that was fun. Can't wait till he does it again, which he hasn't and he never will. And meanwhile, here's your oh you, son of a bitch. Oh, good, god, god, get him. Yeah, that's brutal, that's terrible, totally hypocritical?
Speaker 1:well, of course, if that's my comment. But here's the thing, if are there actually people saying that it was totally hypocritical, like, like, or saying that, yeah, you know what, it's, you know what?
Speaker 3:because here's the thing here it's the same percentage of the people who didn't enjoy the line brawl, so it's a small one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know what I I so to me, I just I thought it was. Eh, I, to be honest with you, I thought that uh, kachuk should have just fucking left it and go, like you know, be the bigger guy and fucking like, walk away with your fucking great game and not taint it by losing your shit at the end.
Speaker 3:Well, there you go. I certainly don't think that would have been wrong if the whole team had just skated away, especially because he just guided it in. If it had been a couple seconds and he snapped it in or pulled a Ridley Gray Right, he may have even had that on his mind, I think there's a small chance.
Speaker 3:He may have had that on his mind. I think there's, I think there's a small chance he may have had that on his mind and as he put the puck in the net and said, oh, they got quite a stir out of this when their guy did it I'll just ease it in here but he still. He was penalized for it, chris, yeah, and which I think was wrong.
Speaker 1:You know what. At the end of the day, come on. Well, it's in the you know what. There's a lot of things in the rules that are stupid. Well, I don't have a problem with it, because but here's the thing the puck went into the net. He guided it, but he did not shoot it into the net. No, I know. Right.
Speaker 1:So to that. Anyways, if there are people out there who were offended by his actions, this young offended by his actions, this young man's actions on having had a breakaway on an empty net, knowing that the time ran out and just sort of letting it go, letting it go into the net, yeah, which is kind of what I saw. You know what, if someone's offended by that, honest to God, you need fucking life.
Speaker 3:You need life, totally agree. But you know, at the same time I'm not going to be a hypocrite myself here when brady reacted the way he did. I went good, good, yeah, go, go, go out. I mean, uh, well, no, he didn't, but I had no problem with it.
Speaker 1:So you're saying he did well. I you know what. I think it tainted his whole game at the end of the day. You know what he could have said. You know what, if he said what the fuck was that?
Speaker 4:because we, we could read lips right we know exactly oh yeah, oh yeah, okay yeah you know he didn't have to go at him so hard.
Speaker 1:He couldn't say what the was. That you know.
Speaker 3:You know what I and I would agree with you how do you got, how he got a hold of him and let's say he actually got some punches in or something and it would have needed a whole army to pull him off, right, because that's a very one-sided altercation. It would have been. Smith was trying to get him all the right way.
Speaker 3:Right, right On behalf of the Devils, and it would have been an evener fight, but still, brady would have tuned him too. But at the end of the day the fighting didn't happen. No, exactly, it didn't happen. So I don't have a problem, we're gonna have to have Brady to check on. I dropped him off through a intermediary last year a copy of my book, you know, on Goldie Goldthorpe, because Brady's dad's nickname is Reg Reg Dunlap from Slapshot. That's their favourite movie of all time that the family all watched as kids, when the boys were probably six or seven. And you know Goldie, of course, you know the whole story. So I drop it off and I haven't heard from the guy. So you know, I'd like to catch up with him sometime, and by the way, ridley Gregg.
Speaker 3:I want to try and get a book to him as well, because his uncle is in the book. I mentioned his name in the book. Bruce Gregg, who's passed away, died. Bruce Gregg, who's passed away, died in a car accident tragically, but he at one time he may still hold it the Canadian Masters powerlifting record for deadlift and squats. I believe he deadlifted almost 1,000 pounds Really and I squatted, I think, around 700 or something. My numbers may be off, but it's actually on.
Speaker 3:YouTube, you can go on and see video of Ridley Gregg's uncle who played hockey with Goldie Goldberg. Okay, and the minors so well. Just another interesting connection, of which there's so many, yeah, that well, in hockey it's well.
Speaker 1:Here's the thing about. It's not just hockey, it's Canada. There's actually only 16 original families in Canada and we're all and the rest of us are related. No, I wouldn't look that up. I was going to leave that one. I don't even know really where to go with that. Yeah, I know, I know, I just you know, but everybody's got some fucking connection to somebody else.
Speaker 3:Wow, there it is. I worked two divisions at race. It's like the commercial. You, bob from Saskatoon, yeah man.
Speaker 1:She used to be my neighbour, you know what. Here's the thing, though I've had that happen to me. Yeah, someone has said to me, like when I was in LA or whatever. Yeah, okay, I've had somebody say to me okay, I know a guy up in whatever, and it's like holy fuck, this is a stereotypical yeah, and I actually turned out to know the guy.
Speaker 1:Come on, no word of a lie. Yeah, no word of a lie. And it was like you know. This does nothing at all for the Canadian stereotype, no, and for the American ideal, yeah, you know what I mean? That all Canadians are the same, yeah, you know you grew up in an igloo. It's a gigantic thing, absolutely Well, here's the thing I I would. I would say I grew up in an igloo, but that would be cultural appropriation, that's true and you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:I did get a second take back yeah, exactly, I'd have to, I'd have to redo that, but uh, okay, so, uh, quickly, good, okay, you want to wrap that?
Speaker 3:no, no, no what are you gonna see something different? No, I got nothing different to say other than they're interchangeable. They're the exact same. So you got a problem with one, you got a problem with the other. Don't be a hypocrite. Ottawa fans. We should, we got to mention about the brawl.
Speaker 1:Because you and I didn't talk about it. Well, that's why I was going to move to it.
Speaker 3:It happened after I wrote about it.
Speaker 1:It happened like two nights later. Did thread yes, you know what? No, no, I don't. I played in Europe. I lost a lot of friends, oh my god. So so here's the thing I did not see what was on your thread. Yeah, because I, I don't have, I don't, I, I'm not, I don't sew.
Speaker 1:I guess that's what I'm trying to say, okay, I don't sew, I'm not on that stuff, but I did see it and I was just. I figured that there'd be, you know, a bunch of things that you know. I mean, I know you wrote something up on on Facebook, yeah, that's right You're talking about. Yeah, okay, maybe I didn't catch it, but you know what?
Speaker 3:Why would you bother me down the thread? I will eat.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I'm not the greatest of followers of Liam McGuire I see you often enough.
Speaker 1:I figured you'd tell me if you had something important, you'd tell me. But so here's the thing I had absolutely no issue with that happening, right? Of course not. People will say, oh, we hate the orchestrated fights, right? You know what I mean. Um, and I've heard other guys that I've talked to about it. Well, you know it's the whole idea of it. You know it was it was. It was a setup, yeah, yeah, and oh, okay, and and you know what, and it and I guess it set the tone, but but then they had a great game after that, oh, the game was awesome, and actually the next fight about 10 minutes later was awesome as well, and then that was it, and it was really.
Speaker 3:There was nothing else. There was two penalties. The rest of the game, they got everything out. But the fight that was set up was set up specifically for a reason Because Rempe turned down McDermott when he ran Segelheimer or whatever his name was, got the penalty, got the suspension. Yeah, segelheimer, or whatever his name was, got the penalty, got the suspension, and McDermott was right there and he could have fought him and he didn't. Probably because Laviolette had said hey, cool it kid, you've played nine games, you've had four fights, let's start piecemealing this a little bit. So he turns down McDermott, mcdermott goes to the press, says what he says. They're both in the starting lineup.
Speaker 3:I just happened to be on Twitter when about 15 reporters from the game said Rempe's starting, mcdermott's starting. I couldn't race for the converter fast enough and get it over there. I said, oh, they're going for sure, and then, which they did, and then everybody else decided to go too. However, they haven't really. Have you seen or heard any real detailed explanations? I know Lazar, former Ottawa Senator, was involved in the. They actually threw first. That's only because McDermott and Rempe took a little while to square up Right. Lazar and that guy were going right away Like instantly.
Speaker 1:Instantly. Do you know what I have ignored? Most of the shit. Talk about all that. Yeah, because you know what? I didn't see it. You know what? I don't see anything wrong with something, you know I, I, you know it's funny because someone said to me uh, we had an incident, okay, and men's men's hockey, yeah. And I was like you know, come on, like it's okay, that's, you know, part of the game.
Speaker 3:And someone said you've been hanging out with Liam too much you should have seen me in the 80s when I was playing Sunday night, uh, the Sunday night league of magic, and and, uh, terry Murphy was slowly starting to take over.
Speaker 3:You know Vince and and Harold Stinson, and we're kind of moving out, especially once the 30 and over started in 89, they, they moved out of Terry and we have, let's call it a fight Like we got a fight on a Sunday night it's men's league hockey, so you're supposed to get suspended and I wasn't really formally part of the executive, but I would sit in on a lot of these meetings as a guy with tenure in the league. You know I was there in year one, blah, blah, blah. So um, I I always say God seriously, I mean they didn't deserve more than double buyers for roughing. When do they next play each other?
Speaker 1:Yeah. Anyway, sorry yeah no, no, but so. So I, I'm guilty of thinking it's okay, right, so I don't even get involved with people who go on and on and say there's no place for it. You know, because there is, I know there is and, as everyone's well aware, or anybody who knows, you know I have a temper at times. Yeah, on the ice, it's Justin. Yeah. So the ice, it's Justin. Yeah.
Speaker 1:So I'm not going to be, I'm not going to be a hypocrite about other people, and I know that in the heat of the moment sometimes you do some things and say some things, or whatever that you may look back on and go, geez, that kind of made the situation worse. Yeah, right, yeah, but you know. So that's the way I see it. I find it fine if you're going to go as long as you know what I like the fact that they got back to just playing the hockey game though. That's what I, that's the. If it had been a shit show the whole time, which we saw in the seven, which we saw in the seven, yeah, but it wasn't. They got back to playing the game. It was a good, hard-fought game, yeah, but they weren't looking at taking it Now, that being said, new Jersey was fighting at the time for a playoff spot.
Speaker 1:That's done now pretty much. I know they're still still mathematically in it, but they're kind of out of hand by a thread, well, and so that will bring me to the next discussion point. Just one sec.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm sorry. I just want to finish off by saying that that guy was a clown on my thread his comments, when he brought in the fact that he played in Europe and he had a bunch of friends. I'm trying to insinuate you had a bunch of friends that passed away from CTE, or is that what you're trying to say to me?
Speaker 1:Well, from all the fighting that goes on in Europe.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you know, and because he played some hockey over there, I don't know where you played what you were. And then he says, oh, say hi to your brother, like play what you were.
Speaker 1:And then he says, oh, say hi to your brother, like I don't know who the hell you are, like, um, maybe I met, I don't know anyway. So who's the guy? Okay? Yeah, I mean, anybody can see it doesn't matter. That's the only reason I I'm glad, I'm just wondering, I'm glad you said something right there and I want to.
Speaker 3:I want to actually substantiate it because I'm the same way I I didn't. There was, like the percentage of people who had a problem with that line ball was the minority. It was minority and it was for sure, cause they, they ran polls and all over the place, right here in Ottawa and TSM 1200 ran one, everything else overwhelming, I'm talking 80%, 80, 80 plus percent had no problem with it.
Speaker 3:So anybody who knows the difference between a puck and a basketball and is a true fan had no problem with it. If you know, if you're a little bit, you know, uh uncertain about uh physicality in your world, then you probably had a problem with it because guys threw dirty looks and some guys threw punches and that probably scared the shit out of you. You hid under your bed for a couple days, but I mean, the rest of it is, it's just something that was totally normal. So I just want to say that in 1988, the nhl record okay for fights in a season. Okay, 1988, 1881, fights that season, your boston bruins led the way. Yeah, jay miller, lyndon, byers and company, oh, with 199 fights. Okay, the bruins that season. Wow, those are the two nhl records.
Speaker 3:This year, chris, the nhl is on pace for 345 fights. Yeah, 1881 to 345. And you got alpha males in their 20s, more equipment than ever before, situational, you know incident. And they got after it and some people, like this crybaby on my thread, had to whine about it because McDermott and Rempe had it scheduled. Because of the history of the last game. It's such a lack of knowledge, of understanding why that fight needed to happen in a league where you
Speaker 1:can't still fight, that's right and and, and I'll say this now, I don't think Rempe called him up and said hey, so what are you wearing?
Speaker 1:no, okay exactly, but they're there for a reason get your shit taken care of, and they did. Let's move on. That's it and that, that was the and that that in in that aspect. That's why I I like this, so so I agree wholeheartedly. Yeah, all right, which moves, moves us on to the playoff race in the Eastern Conference. Yeah, okay, which is. It's actually freaking exciting. I'm excited about how the last two weeks, 12 days left, the last 12 days of this regular season, is going to play out for four teams that are fighting it out for One spot. Well, two spots really. Well, tap is almost free and clear. Really, no, no, no, okay, yeah, exactly, but no, no, the spots are. There's Second wild card, the second wild First, two wild cards and the last spot in the Metropolitan Division, so that Met Division, which right now, yeah.
Speaker 1:Right, so there's two wildcards which Detroit is in the running for, which Philly, Washington Capitals, Pittsburgh Penguins and the Islanders yeah, Five teams fighting for those spots, Because the I don't even know.
Speaker 3:Somebody will finish third in the Metro and someone's going to get the first wild card spot and it's going to come from the Metro. So no, it's not no Tampa could win out of the Atlantic.
Speaker 1:No no, so Tampa is already in. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Well, they're four points back in the Leafs. So they're in really. They're in exactly. They're not catching the Leafs, I don't think. No no but they're in the third spot, they're in the first wildcard spot no no Tampa's in the oh, that's right. You're right Tampa's in the first wildcard.
Speaker 1:They're in the first wild card by far.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they're not missing the playoffs now.
Speaker 1:Well, I think it's probably clinched.
Speaker 3:It's got to be Actually. Yeah, I think it is actually Okay, yeah.
Speaker 1:So they're in that. So we're talking about one spot in the Metropolitan Division, yeah, and we're talking one spot in the wild card. The second wild card, way, the second wildcard. That's right, okay. So you've got five teams, yeah, fighting for that yes the thing is, and not not really, because detroit can only, can only win the wildcard. Right, that's right, yeah, but they are like they're all at the same level. Oh yeah, they're all right, they're all. I'll have like 83 points.
Speaker 3:This is that's exactly what they have this isn't anything new.
Speaker 3:We've had races, I mean there's been playoff spots that have been decided in overtime regular season overtime, really. Yeah, I mean the first time, new Jersey Devils, when they beat Chicago in overtime and John McClain scored on Darren Pang in 88, and then the Devils went all the way to the semifinal with Sean sean burke, I believe, and and uh, and and company young kirk muller, and, and it was uh. That's the game where, uh, jim sean failed to call down koharski having in that series and the replacement refs had to come out, and and the yellow sweaters. All that happened in that year 88, and they only got in there because of a goal in overtime in the last regular season game, so by john mcclain. So you know, we've seen not the john mcclain not not not from diehard okay
Speaker 3:no different spelling as well but uh, but that is one of.
Speaker 1:That is the greatest christmas movie ever we're not going to get into that discussion because it is we both agree. We both agree there. It's a Christmas movie.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, Anyway, yeah, the playoff race, like you said, I mean Nashville and Vegas holding down the spots in the West probably look pretty secure, I'd say.
Speaker 1:Well, you know what?
Speaker 3:Yeah, and some jockeying for positions, there could still happen even, even that separation has really taken.
Speaker 1:Oh, because that lays in the mix too, yeah, and I you know what. So the west is not completely settled, but no, but. But I will say this but it's pretty much the west is going to win the cup. Like I like, they're those that, that, that probably that list of teams that are going to the playoffs in the West are just like some powerhouses, I know, right, powerhouses, but in the East, though and this is what I said, and I want to go back, and I'm not going to go back and find the footage, but I'm going to say it I said that Sidney Crosby was going to have a great year. Okay, yeah, he's had a great year. Okay, yeah, he's had a great year, yeah, okay, and I still think they're making the playoffs. I said at the beginning of the season they're making the playoffs, yeah, okay, and I also will continue to say that, and I'm going to add they're going to make it past the first round. They're not winning the cup, but they're making it past the they're not winning the cup.
Speaker 3:So you're saying they would beat either the Rangers or the?
Speaker 1:Bruins. They're going to beat the Rangers Because they're going to have that second. They're going to have the other. They're going to have that last spot.
Speaker 3:I can't remember what the difference in points is between the Rangers and the Bruins right now For first in the conference. Whoever first in the conference plays last.
Speaker 1:That's right. Plays the last and then the second. Plays the second one, that's right.
Speaker 3:And that's the spot. It could be Pittsburgh-Boston.
Speaker 1:No, I think it's New York-Rain. I think it's going to be the last spot, is that? So Lee. That's my speculation. Okay, I got you.
Speaker 3:Yeah, fair enough. Hey, listen my speculation. Okay, I got you. I just you know. Yeah, fair enough, hey listen. Uh, I don't remember you saying that. You probably did. I know for a fact I did not right, I went against that. I did not think pittsburgh would make it. I did not think washington would make it. I did not think either one of them would be hanging around looking available here, yeah, right now. And, frankly, the penguins at six, two and two of their last ten are the only ones really that look like they're playing again.
Speaker 3:Everybody, everybody else Detroit, washington, the Islanders, everybody else is shitting the bed. Like they went on win streaks to kind of elevate them in there Right, and now they're under 500 in the last 10. Detroit and Washington are like 3, 5 and 2, 2, 6 and 2.
Speaker 1:You know what? Pittsburgh's peaking at the right time. Yeah, they have the horses. Okay, if they can get the performance they were shouting the trade deadline you know what they're going to regret that trade. Oh, they're regretting it now and Sidney Crosby's pissed about that. I think one of the reasons why he's fucking dragging them into the playoffs is, as a fuck you, I told you not to trade him. I told you not to trade him. You know what I mean. We'll see.
Speaker 3:Detroit now holds the hammer. If they win which would be five straight wins then you can't catch them. They hold the hammer, yeah, they do they're in the same level? No, no, don't they Detroit's in right now in that wildcard spot, In the wildcard spot, Right, yeah, yeah yeah, if they win out, are they not?
Speaker 1:do they not have 83 points as well? Or do they have 84?
Speaker 3:They have one more and they have a game in hand, so they control their. No, they have one more point. They have one more point, so you can't catch them if they win out.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 3:If they win out, you can't catch them. That's what I'm saying. So they control their destiny, albeit not only in five games in a row, but they don't control the destiny of the Metropolitan last position?
Speaker 1:No, they don't. And that is between, right now, Islanders, the Penguins, the Washington, and Philly.
Speaker 3:That's right, all four. Philly is another team falling right off a cliff.
Speaker 1:But all four have the ability. Now someone said to me they said what do you think about how Patrick Waugh is doing as the coach of the Islanders? Yeah, and I said well, I don't know, I hadn't really considered it. I mean, you know what I mean? It's been kind of you know, it hasn't been what do you call that? It hasn't been newsworthy in my mind. But he proceeded to say no, no, they've actually done far better. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah blah. Which leads me to a discussion about the Jack Adams trophy, and then we'll move on to some other trophies. So I think we could all agree that the Jack Adams trophy is likely going to a team that did not make the playoffs last year and finished first overall this year, the Vancouver Canucks.
Speaker 3:Rick Tauket is. I think he's a strong favorite for the Jack Adams. Montgomery won it for your Bruins last year and would you agree? I think Montgomery definitely agree for last year and I think Rick Tockett would probably. If I had a vote would probably be my vote.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, that's what I was thinking. I think it's a great choice. Now I have learned that the Vegas odds on. Tockett are….
Speaker 3:Did you check with Janet Gretzky Exactly?
Speaker 1:The Vegas odds on Tockett are pretty good.
Speaker 3:He's favored I like that uh choice by you. I think that's an excellent choice and and I think that he should win it and I believe he will okay.
Speaker 1:So now I'm going to move to the Norris trophy. Yeah, okay. Well, that's going to be the most uh so he is. That's going to be Art.
Speaker 3:Ross, which will be decided by themselves. Right, this one here by a vote will probably be, I don't know.
Speaker 1:That's a research, so here's the thing. So I'm saying that the leading candidates are Vancouver's Hughes, yeah. Clint Cale McCarr, cale McCarr, yeah, okay, in Colorado there's one too. Yeah, and you know someone who I had not even considered okay, but I've been watching him in the pool.
Speaker 3:It's one of two guys, okay, who Either Yossi or Bouchard, that's right yeah.
Speaker 1:Well. So my thought was, Bouchard has, like he's blown me away yeah, because he was one of those picks that guys made. That has surprised the whole hockey pool. Yeah, right, okay. But then I Bouchard, you know. But then I think you know, yossi has done so much with a shit team. The Preds have not performed the way, certainly any of those other teams have.
Speaker 3:Like Edmonton, they went on a run right and they set a club record. Most consecutive games are at least a point that got them and, just like Edmonton's 16-game winning streak got them into the throes of the competition and back into the playoff race comfortably, which they have more than maintained. And Nashville, it looks like now, will probably do enough too, but Yossi will obviously have no chance to win in orders.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, no, but those are the top four. So my question is this Now I'm going to say that the favourite because it's voted by the journalists. Right, norris is the journalist. I'm going to say Quinn gets the nod.
Speaker 3:Yes, he will. Quinn Hughes will win the Norris trophy.
Speaker 1:I agree, we agree. Now we're moving on to the. There's only really one other one. I'm forgetting. There's two really. One other one Really, oh no, there's two other ones. Well, there's a bunch of other trophies?
Speaker 3:Yeah, there are, but I think there's only really one that you want to spend any time discussing, really the Hart-Ross one.
Speaker 1:No, because of the airport?
Speaker 3:Oh, yeah, because not so much discussing that, because they'll solve that themselves. Right, we can say what we want. But I mean the Hart Trophy, the Hart Trophy the Hart Trophy is really, because there's so many, to your point, that you just made about Yossi and Nashville. There's been discussion. I heard it on the radio today too, guys talking about it. What if Sidney Crosby? Because it's literally been done on his back? Yeah, you know what if he gets for him? Is he because the heart trophy, the look by the language valuable player to the team? Right, yeah, exactly, that's right. Yeah, yeah, so does he deserve some votes? And yeah, he does. What about kucherov, with the point difference between him and brady point? Yeah, uh, is is so significant. We haven't seen anything like this since the gretzky days. Really, right to this degree, he's over 50 points ahead of brady point. He, he could quite well, probably will. I've written him off, you know, just like I wrote off Pittsburgh, and he could win the Art Ross. He definitely would be a favorite for the Heart.
Speaker 3:McKinnon is six points shy of breaking the franchise record or tying it. With a set by Peter Stashny of 139 points, he could score 50. He probably will. He's at 48. He's never done that before. He'd become the sixth franchise player to do that. I mean he's got his accolades, connor. I mean at one point, chris, he was 110th in scoring. No, no, absolutely 110th, and they were in last place in the league. I mean he and that team shot up like a rocket on his shoulders. Absolutely. To me he is the most valuable player in hockey in the world period. But I don't think he's going to win the Hart.
Speaker 1:Trophy? No, I don't think so either.
Speaker 3:I think he'll go to Kucherov.
Speaker 1:You know, if the votes today.
Speaker 3:You've got to remember McGregor's got six games to go, McKinnon's got six games to go. Yeah. Mckinnon's got four and Kucherov has five. How do we take this right now?
Speaker 1:So I'm going to say that McKinnon is more valuable to Colorado than Kucherov is to Tampa? How, in God's name, could you say that? Because of the two-way nature of his game? Why would you say that? Because of the two-way nature of his game, kucherov is an offensive force, but he is not the defensive player, which is why I will vote Sidney Crosby over Kucherov. I'm not just talking about numbers. I'm talking about most value to the team, and that's why McKinnon has a.
Speaker 3:I think this year you would be in the minority.
Speaker 1:I know I'm just giving my justification for it.
Speaker 3:Just being a two-way game to me wouldn't justify voting him over Kucherov.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but listen what are they right now? Two points out from each other, three, I believe. Okay, so three points out from each other. We're talking a minuscule amount here.
Speaker 3:But that's not why I said they are a winners should not necessarily automatically. Oh, no, no, what he's done in offense he's been in on I don't know what percentage of offense for Tampa Bay this year. The only reason they're hanging around looking available is because of him Over the service have has been out. I see he's back skating today in non-contact jersey. You could get him back for the playoffs. What an addition he would be, because they've played with the old guard.
Speaker 1:You're telling me that there's a guy who's been on long-term injured reserve and might come back for the playoffs For Tampa. For Tampa, I know folks. This never happens, except with them it always does.
Speaker 3:And what are we going to see with Mark Stone in Vegas? Everybody's waiting to see about that laceration, whatever it is. Spleen, yeah, splenectomy, yeah, splenectomy, yeah. So I don't know. I'd say right now Quinn Hughes has the edge for the Norris, I think Tocantin and Wok for the Adams. I'm praying like hell McDavid can find some magic and overtake and get an Art Ross. I don't think Kucherov has surprised me. Gotta be honest. The card's on the table. He has surprised me, I do think. If he goes on to win the heart, I think he will be an automatic for the heart. I think he'll win the heart just because of his scrap seat points on the team. It's just too substantial.
Speaker 3:It's just too substantial. Well now, when do they vote this? The vote's taken literally right at the end of the season. It's not made public.
Speaker 1:It does not have any. There's no playoff input in that. No, Because, yeah, that makes a difference too right how you see guys play in the first round of the playoffs. We won't find out until the awards night, right, no, no, in June after the Cups, are we going to that? Yeah, sure, we're doing very good with sponsors.
Speaker 3:I don't know. We'll go find them.
Speaker 1:We need a sponsor to send us to Vegas. We went to Florida thanks to a sponsor. Why not Vegas? That's right. So who wants to be our all-star? What do you call that? Nhl awards, nhl awards, nhl awards. Sponsor, please send us some money. How many days would we need in Vegas, do you think? Well, you need three days.
Speaker 1:You need three, you need three days, because, first of all, the first day, you're going to be jet lagged. Right, I've never experienced jet lag Really. Yeah Well, yeah, but here's the thing. Yeah, okay, you're not normal, that's the reality. I don't know about that. You've never experienced a hangover either, from my recollection, please we'll explain why I'm having a hangover today.
Speaker 3:I will never have one, so yeah.
Speaker 1:So you have to be there a full day ahead. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, like I get a full day of doing stuff ahead of time before the event, then there's the day of the event, then there's the day after the event, right, so you need three days there? Yeah, but four of those? Well, that night would be expensive, but you can get. You know. Listen, if you don't mind risking being in an implosion, you can stay at the Tropicana. Perfect, no, we won't stay at the Tropicana. I've stayed at the Tropicana. I used to stay at the Tropicana way back when the Tropicana pool was the place. Did those guys play there? Well, you know what? No, well, I've told you this story how I missed Dean Martin by one night, I think you did see that at the yeah, so, anyhow, there are decent hotels to stay at.
Speaker 1:I personally have gravitated down to Fremont, downtown, no, no, and staying at like the Nugget or one of the downtown hotels. It's a little more age appropriate, okay, no, no, because the strip has become for the young 20,. You know, these are the ones, these are the fucking idiots. Okay, you mean actually the kids. They go down there. They're coming from LA and they're trying to be really cool, right? Oh, we're going to order bottle service for $2,000 for a fucking bottle of vodka, like you know. I'll tell you what I'm going to go. I'll stop at the liquor store, yeah, I mean, you know, I'm still.
Speaker 1:I'm still from Sudbury, right? Yeah, I'm going to fill up my Gatorade bottle. Yeah, okay, put a little lemonade in there, and I got vodka and lemonade for the night. I'm alright. Plus, you're downtown on Fremont and you're going to walk around freely with all your drinks from one place to the other They've got vans, I'll tell you. And my favorite restaurant is Oscars, which is at the Plaza. Not the nicest hotel, but it's one of the best steakhouses in all of Las Vegas. Yeah, honey.
Speaker 3:There we go. Is that where that was? Yeah, really yeah this is uh, your uh.
Speaker 1:this is great. This is great Chris's daughter's wedding. Yeah, in Vegas, in Vegas, yeah yeah, we flew everybody to Vegas, and this is the. I guess that's it. This is the underside of the dome. It's a glass dome, anyways, but the point is.
Speaker 2:I love they look good there, Well you know what If you don't look good on your wedding day? Yeah, you know what.
Speaker 1:I mean, yeah, but I'll take it. Okay, just throw it over there.
Speaker 3:Very nice, by the way, justin and Grace, he's a good guy. He is a good guy.
Speaker 1:He's a good kid, I like him. I've told you what happened Get it, so we have. I don't have it where I'm not wearing it, but I, I, they got me when I had my first heart, yeah, incident. Yeah, they got me an Apple watch so I could monitor my heart rate and all that stuff. And he said well, we're going to do it. You can match up with people, right, and do like a fitness challenge, okay, where, okay, someone's doing it. You know, oh, so-and-so is working out. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I didn't need to know that he was doing an aerobic workout at 1.30 am. Yes, scott, it's like uh well, I'm kicking I know you're married, but take. Take the watch off I don't need I don't need notification that you are working up a sweat, yeah yeah, well you know. So, uh, I will tell you this, though I I that's just classic, but it's just. It's. What do you call that when a father should not TMI? Yeah, way too much information. You know what we should do right now Something.
Speaker 1:We should introduce our final shooting. The shot yes, interview, yeah With Marionville.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, marvilleville, yeah, no, marvelville, marvelville, right, yeah okay, right, what's marionville?
Speaker 3:is that your town? Yeah, it's right here, yeah okay, so you're right.
Speaker 1:okay, marvel. Marvelville, ontario, native, on a six pint trip from here. Okay, uh, six pints to Marionville. Yeah, not to Marbleville. No, that's five, five, jesus, it's about a six-minute drive. So you know, we always say Metcalf, but it's Marbleville. Well, the arena is named after Metcalf that's right.
Speaker 3:He was born in the Winchester Hospital. Yeah, so you get some people who don't know the area Say, oh, they're obviously from Winchester, or you know like that, yeah, and but yeah, he grew up in. Marbleville, the arena's named after him in Metcalf. He played Junior B in Metcalf before he went to Brockville, before he went to Peterborough, before he went to Nova Scotia and then ended up in the Montreal Canadiens. That's right. So it was a uh.
Speaker 1:Now this fella wore uh number, uh number 19. He did okay. Uh, larry the Big Bird, the Big Bird, robinson, and and it. What's funny is that he had his boat named Big Bird. Yeah, okay. I. I've told you the story. And when we popped, I said you know we've actually met. I don't know if you remember and I figured you wouldn't remember, but I said, listen, we met one time and I told him exactly where it was at the locks he goes oh yeah, I was with Rick Green that time. Do you remember that?
Speaker 3:I remember him saying it yeah, because, yeah, I was with.
Speaker 1:Rick Green, that time I think you know. Anyway, super nice guys, I mean they don't come any nicer.
Speaker 1:Do you know what I? I? I'll be honest with you. I and I've been shocked at how awesome everybody has been. Yeah, okay, yeah, especially the fucking Montreal Canadian guys. No, I had somebody. Somebody sent me a note saying that they loved the Steve Shuck interview. They thought it was great and Steve is very laid back. He had just finished a round and he also golfed. Exactly, he was feeling no pain. But it was a very relaxed interview and with Larry we were in. Unfortunately, we were in a loud restaurant so we apologized for the sound. We were planning on going, we got hit with horrible weather which kicked off where we were supposed to go, and then we ended up trying to make it work. So one of these days we'll actually have another interview with Larry. Hopefully we will. Okay, he's home now in the summers.
Speaker 3:Well, he does, and he's got a boat down on the same side. I'm a golfer now You're an avid golfer. I golf, he loves to golf. Tell you what you, me, him and Mo will play.
Speaker 1:Read-a-view that's perfect. There you go, it's all set. Yeah, we'll do the interview. Read me even better. Yeah, yeah, there you go, I'm in and and we can talk about. So one of the things. We didn't discuss this with him. But, uh, when he left and he went, you know, he sort of was traveled around, ended up with the los angeles kings. Yeah, right, okay, so he goes to Los Angeles, but there's already a number 19 in LA. Yeah, at the time. Yeah, okay, fellow, I know. Yeah, jimmy Fox, that's right.
Speaker 1:And Jimmy Fox, who was a regular I mean, he was a 30 goal scorer in LA, he was a solid player, he was, you know gives up his number 19 without even being asked, I know, without even being asked gave it up and said Larry Robinson's number 19. Yeah, right, you know. Again, guys showing how they're great guys. And I have no doubt about Jimmy Fox, because I remember him from being a kid. I know him and I know the family and that whole thing. Larry Robinson, I didn't know, blown away by how down to earth he was, his brother, mo, who, to my understanding, I've never played with him, but was and still is a force on the ice. I don't know if he plays anymore, but he was up until a few years ago.
Speaker 3:I think he's just. I believe he's probably done. He's done For the alumni. He played many, many, many many games. Yeah.
Speaker 3:For the alumni. He played seven years pro. Yeah, he did get in one game with the Montreal Canadiens. It was a very famous night, it was Tuxedo Night in Winnipeg and he played a game with his brother Larry. So you know, pretty freaking cool. And yeah, he wore number two, I believe Really, and he just played the one game, but he played the minors. He was tough as nails himself. Obviously, you know it doesn't necessarily translate Wayne's brothers yeah, wayne had two brothers that played. Yeah, kratzke that played and Brent had a cup of coffee in the NHL. Keith never made it, played in the Myers. They both did. Had excellent seasons. Has did Mo, he was a solid competitor.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, and lives in Stolmstrup.
Speaker 3:Yeah, lives Stolmstrup. Yeah, he's not far from us. Larry comes home in the summer. We have sisters here, yeah, and you know what?
Speaker 1:And this is the thing that was nice about it it was a family interview.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, we had a family interview. Brother-in-law's there, jonesy, yeah, jonesy, and Mo they were great.
Speaker 1:So you know what.
Speaker 1:Larry's son was there, larry's son was there. We should actually, we could interview Mo Robinson too. Oh, easily, you know what I mean. For next year, as we move forward, and should we get renewed sponsorship from our current sponsor, which we have not mentioned, which is the Patterson Group of Golf Courses, big time, emerald Links, cloverdale Links and Anderson Links? Yeah, okay, so we do have to thank you for that sponsor who made all of this possible, and we want to continue that. So we'll be on the phone, or Liam will be anyway.
Speaker 3:Oh, I love going to see you. I'll be coming to see you, but, uh, this is our last interview, right? This is our last, yeah, so this yeah, so let's uh for now and for now. But yeah, and so we have many, many, many in the hall this regular season is over, and so what?
Speaker 1:we're going, because I'm going to alaska, you're going, and I'm going to ireland and you're going to ireland. So, but when we we will have one final episode. We'll talk about that later. We'll have one final episode at the end of the season, april 19th. We're going to film it.
Speaker 3:I get home the 19th. That's why we're filming it on the 19th. Okay, not sure when I arrive, but I don't give a fuck when you arrive.
Speaker 1:We got it Because I'm leaving on a jet plane uh on the uh 22nd yeah, so we got time.
Speaker 3:I'm definitely home. I'm definitely available on the 20th and the 25th.
Speaker 1:I've got editing to do. Man, like there's this, this is right. I just don't know if I can physically do it than I think. But I would do it listen, I can't.
Speaker 3:If it's in the middle of the night or something, you know what, I don't care. Okay, I don't care either. I mean, we can drink anytime. Yeah, it's not the middle of the night or something? Yeah, well, I don't care. Okay, I don't care either.
Speaker 1:I mean, we can drink anytime, I don't care, it's not like you have. Yeah, exactly, so that's our plan is to film on April 19th. Yeah.
Speaker 1:The final episode of the season and then we will do playoffs, the playoff things, the playoff things as we move forward. And Michael, I was actually, we were talking about this and eventually we will get to this interview, but I was at the mill, right, and we talked about doing this before and I think it was during the World Juniors. We were going to do an episode from there, from the mill upstairs. Yeah, I believe so. We should do a playoff game. We can do a playoff game from there, from the mill upstairs. Yeah, I believe so, we should do it. We should do a playoff game, we can do a playoff game from there, and that way we can have, you know, I mean, and we can have a live audience.
Speaker 1:No, do it there and we can do it live, or Liam McGuire's.
Speaker 3:I may want to go there. I mean, if the mill gives us some money, yeah, we'll go there, if they don't, we'll go to the place that has my name on it, all right.
Speaker 1:I don't. It sounds like a plan. Yeah, would you start working on that?
Speaker 3:I can work on that. Okay, that's not, I don't have to, that's. That's a dumb deal. We can do it, um, don't, they will not say no, at least we can do it. But you know, if you want to talk to the sponsor from the point of view I don't know yeah, well, if we do, I mean I don't mind.
Speaker 1:Well, there's a thing I I get good treatment at the mill, like I love walking in, okay and it's, and I don't get the norm treatment right. It's like, hey, nor you know, I don't get that, but, kelly, if she's working or you know what, you know what they bring you, what I drink. Come in and you know what I mean and they're awesome and then I'll say and so I?
Speaker 1:we were there the other night, kristen and I just not anything related, just us going out to the pub to something, and uh, I had gone to the head and kristen was gonna order. So she's, you went to kevin jergin. Yeah, sorry, it's my navy thing. I went to the. I went to the men's room. Yeah, sorry, it's my Navy thing. I went to the men's room. Yeah, okay. So I go to the men's room and I go gone. But Kelly came by and Kristen ordered yeah, right, and Kristen did not know what kind of wings to order and Kelly goes don't worry, I got it.
Speaker 1:So you know what I mean, because there's all the flavors, right, of course. You know what I mean yeah, and she goes no, no, I know what he likes, yeah, and so, anyway, that that's a local and a half.
Speaker 3:It is. They have captured the pulse of the village.
Speaker 1:Oh, and you know what I got to tell you and we so, last time Kristen was Black Dog is very good, but it's better, it's higher cuisine.
Speaker 3:I like tea too. It is higher cuisine, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, you know what? Tea's a good guy.
Speaker 3:I'll tell you, tea is a. I think there's nine licensed establishments in Manhattan. You and I should go on a pop-crawl.
Speaker 1:We could do that, except I couldn't keep up. Just sip on one. Alright, with a sippy cup, I'll have a straw, one of those ones. Could you imagine how much fun that would be? Because we know people everywhere.
Speaker 3:So we have to start. So we have to start at the legion.
Speaker 1:Yeah, definitely. Yeah, we'd have to start at the legion, because that's where I got my start. Yeah, it's the legion. I've told you let's do it, so we started. All right, we can do that. Maybe that'll be all right. Nine, our it's only nine drinks. Eh, it's only nine drinks Minimum, yeah yeah, that's right, just, but incidentally, we couldn't leave any place. Okay, because it's just one more quick one, and then we'll go, and then a slowdown, and then a slowdown.
Speaker 4:One more quick one, then I got to go. Yeah, exactly Then it's just the infamous Kevin Jargon slow down, yeah, so okay.
Speaker 1:Well that sounds like a plan, all right. We could do something. We'll file that away.
Speaker 2:We'll file that away. You know what we could probably do.
Speaker 1:We could do a Just walk. Oh yeah, well, walk, absolutely yeah, I mean. So let's talk about which ones we do. So we name them all, I think there's nine. Okay, so there's the Legion. Are we talking the restaurants too? Every place that serves alcohol.
Speaker 3:we should go in and have a drink. At some point we'll have a meal that's a lot more.
Speaker 1:No, it's only nine, I think. Okay, so if we start at the Legion, then we go to the Muse and there's the Italian restaurant. Yeah, babbo's or whatever, babbo's Right, okay, yeah, and then we'd have to go that's two To the other Italian restaurant. Well the Chinese food place serves two. Do they, yeah, oh, that's right, they do yeah, okay. Then we've got to go to the other Italian restaurant that's in the courtyard there. What's it called now?
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, it's not La Piazza anymore. It's not. La Piazza anymore. Angelina's, angelina's. Yeah, they've got a nice little bar area in there, they do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, all right. So then we got, we'll go to Creekside, creekside for sure.
Speaker 3:Okay, that's five and we should time it so that you can meet John Cronk. I've met John Cronk a long time ago. Oh yeah, you did your primary yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know, john Cronk. All right, yeah, well, maybe Dave. Gray and Wayne Boardman, or some of the other guys, that's so it's a John Cronk story. Yeah, okay, I'm overhearing somebody talk about John and his position at the bar. Yeah, the other night.
Speaker 3:Yeah, okay, someone I didn't even know Sits in the same seat every time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I didn't even know, but they're talking about this guy at the bar and I knew exactly who they were talking about at that. So, okay, that's five, that's five. No, no, that's five, that's five, okay wait. Hang on Legion, legion, babos Babos Chinese food restaurant. Angelina's Angelina's four Cree. Cree Side five.
Speaker 1:Okay, hang on. So then, yeah, six. Okay, then we're going to go across the street To T's, to the vault, yeah, seven. Okay, that's seven, yeah, then we'll end at the middle. That's eight, that's eight, okay. So that's eight, not seven. I said nine, oh, eight, nine, okay, what's the nine? I'm just wondering Are we missing something?
Speaker 3:This is right now, but is there not? Uh, you know that little spot, if you turn down into the muse that vietnamese place?
Speaker 1:yeah, I don't know they serve there. Oh christ, I don't know.
Speaker 3:I haven't been there I think they might really I think we may have to go in and have a little sake or something.
Speaker 1:No, no, this is, and it's where phil had his business for a while. Is that what?
Speaker 3:you're talking about. No, I know it's not what I'm talking about. No, maybe I'm not describing it right, but there was a licensed establishment in a house. Yes, there was. I took Crystal there. I went there with Crystal a couple times, so I know because we drank there. It could have been just somebody's house.
Speaker 1:Liam, that's true, it's possible.
Speaker 3:Liam has a tendency that if he sees many cars, he goes hey, there must be a party going on and he'll just stop in. I'm sure I know somebody. That's very true, very true, especially this area. I've done that countless times, yeah, and and, and it's never failed. Yeah, I've never been asked to leave. Yeah, I probably should have been a few times, but people have been very gracious in the area okay, well, so at least we have. I think we've got now. We've got eight. There may be a ninth if's enough.
Speaker 1:Okay, you know what we should do, then we should get a troop to follow us. Yeah, the traipse around with us, yeah, okay, it'll be like a precursor to our pub crawl in Ireland. Okay, yeah, but we'll get a troop to follow us around and so we'll go and we'll get drinks at every bar. It's only nine drinks. It's only nine drinks. Okay, you know.
Speaker 3:I'm not for breakfast.
Speaker 1:Okay, so we'll bring these people around and just we're doing it for it to help the local business community.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's why we're doing it. Yeah, yeah, great, I'll post it online.
Speaker 1:I'll put it on social media Chris and Liam Puckraw. In the meantime, I'd like to bring you a little interview we did. It seems like such a long time ago now. Since we first mentioned it, that time elapsed is actually longer than the interview.
Speaker 3:Oh man, I feel okay. Welcome outside of the Hollywood Quarter. We go down rabbit holes.
Speaker 1:We're shooting the shot with Larry Robinson, brought to you by the Patterson Group of Golf Courses in the South Ottawa area. Yeah, all right, here's Larry Robinson.
Speaker 5:Holy cow. First of all, big bird man.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 3:How about this? Eh, chris, we're just continuing our tour here, hall of Famers, and we interviewed your dear friend and teammate, steve Schott, yesterday. But for the purpose of introducing Larry to our offside audience, this man played 1,384 games. That's 17th all-time. He played 227 playoff games. That's fourth of all time in NHL history. On the Montreal Canadiens he's fifth in career points. He had 958 career points as a defenseman, 208 goals.
Speaker 3:Conspire trophy winner, six-time Stanley Cup winner as a player four three in the coaching ranks, another one as a consultant with the St Louis Blues for 10 in total. One of the toughest players to ever play. And we will touch on February 17th 74. Larry, you know I got to go there and we're going to just have a blast here catching up with a guy who I first saw come to cars with the Turpain Pontiacs and fastball and play an exhibition game against our local Cars aces. I'd never seen. A man that big at the time Became a hero to me then and a hero to countless thousands upon thousands since as a hockey player and a coach with his role in the NHL.
Speaker 5:Larry Robinson. He said that without taking a breath too.
Speaker 3:Listen, I could travel in with him for a week, he said a lot of things about getting a beer, but I'd take a breath every now and then and take a drink. Chris, can you pull over and get me a case of beer? That never happened, man. That never happened. Yeah, that's right. That's illegal, yeah, but it's okay for me because I was the passenger, you were the passenger.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know what the laws are. Yeah, well, it's okay, we haven't broken the law in a dozen.
Speaker 3:Go ahead bud. Do you want to start or do you want me to?
Speaker 1:Well, you can start with. You know, obviously you have a storied career across the board. I want to ask you, starting off, if you can remember the highlight. I know there's a lot, but what's the one thing you look back at when you lie back in bed at night? Yeah, that was me. Okay, what's that moment?
Speaker 5:Boy. Well, if you ate a can of beans, would you know which bean gave you gas? That's about right. So you had a lot of gas yeah.
Speaker 5:I have. I have. I've been very fortunate. You know I I've had a lot of great fun moments. I mean I came in in what, 1970 or whatever, and I I played my first year in Halifax. So I got to work with a lot of great people there, with Al McNeil and Claude Ruel, and they gave me my start, and my first roommate was of course Noel Price from Ottawa. So Pricey and I had kind of hit it off really good. Of course, no price from Ottawa, pricey and I had kind of hit it off really good. I learned the ropes from him amongst other really good older players at that time we had Joe Hardy, jermaine Gagnon who else we have?
Speaker 3:We had Arneson there, arnie came later on he came the next year.
Speaker 5:Yeah, okay, kerry Ketter, kerry Ketter. Kerry Ketter was there.
Speaker 3:Yvonne Lambert was young. No, Yvonne Lambert came later too Okay.
Speaker 5:So I have Wayne Thomas, michelle Plass were in goal and, of course, after I went on to coach with Wayne when I was out in San Jose. So Dougie Robinson yeah, For me that's what won, because I was fortunate I come in, I get drafted, come into the league, go down to Halifax I'm actually more played down in Halifax as well and we win the frigging Calder Cup my very first year, yeah, and then I get called up the following year and we go on and we win the Stanley Cup. So I got my first two years in the league and I got two championships. Oh, this is really easy. It's kind of easy, I guess. Where do I go from here? And then we had a little bit of a drought and then we went on four in a row, little bit of a drought, and then then we went on one. You know four, four in a row. But yeah, you always say and I I guess you could talk to any uh athlete that that's been a hockey player and always their first Stanley Cup is usually their biggest highlight and for me it was great and the funny story that came from my my first week. We're supposed to win and we were talking about this earlier, and you were supposed to win it.
Speaker 5:It was a battle of the goaltenders, you know Esposito and Kenny Dryden, and the game ended up 8-7 in Montreal. So now we've got to go back to Chicago. And so we go back to Chicago. We're losing 2-0. Henry scores just late in the first period. Then we come out, we get two quick ones from Tardif and Houle, and then we went on and I think Lemire got another goal. Cornway, yeah, that's right. So we ended up winning, I think, 4-2. So we get the Stanley Cup, and Ivan and I are the last ones coming off the ice and somebody threw a full thing of Johnny Walker and it landed right beside us. If it had hit either of us we were dead. But it hit and the glass flew up and cut Ivan for three or five stitches, because there it's where you go off the end of the rink, and then you have to go down the stairs to go to the dressing room. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5:And we were kind of looking up and there was a whole bunch of milling going on. So I think they got the guy that threw it anyway. So anyway, so we go down and now we've got to go to the hospital because Clover Rose broke his leg in the very first period Right hospital, because Claude Rose broke his leg in the very first period, right. And so we stopped off there on our way home, our way back to the airport, pick up Claude and he's on a stretcher and everything. So they have the stretcher in the middle of the airplane. We land and there's like 6,000 people at the airport there and we're slightly inebriated and so Le Fleur can't even walk. So we have to take Flo LaRose off the gurney, put Flower on the gurney, put LaRose on a wheelchair, and so we're wheeling Rosie out and pushing Fleur out through the crowd and everything to get us out of the Holy cow.
Speaker 5:But it was a really scary moment because you don't realize and everybody had broke down the gates and the barriers and everything, yeah. So I mean, when we come off the plane you're just engulfed in people and people are banging you and you know how to go and everything else, and so you just kind of hold your breath and you just make your way through and when I got through my, my uh jacket was just ripped in shreds and everything else and it was a scare, really, really scary feeling. But that was my, my first Stanley Cup, and welcome to the league, kid wow, wow, welcome sir.
Speaker 3:Yeah, unbelievable. Yeah, I never knew that. I forgot that Clodagh broke his leg in the first period.
Speaker 5:Yeah Well, the nets didn't move back then, that's right, that's right, that's all changed.
Speaker 3:after Mark Howe right? Yeah, mark Howe wins. So you touched on Noel Price. I just want to revisit him just for a second. He's such a dear friend of mine. You, mo, or you just said about low, excuse me, noel was such influential for you in nova scotia, you know, I mean, you mentioned him in your book, yeah and uh, I mean, what a, what a guy to have mentor you. He'd been in the league.
Speaker 5:he'd been playing pro 14 years or 15 years at that point yeah, he came for, uh, in the trade with LA, I think, right, yes, he did the Vachon trade. Yes, yeah, yeah. And then Hoganson as well. Yeah, came, it was three guys, and then him and Doug. I mean they basically they were the reason. Doug Robinson were the reason that we won and, unfortunately, doug I was there the night that he lost his eye Okay, that we won. And unfortunately, doug I was there the night that he lost his eye, okay, with a stick, hit him in the eye, right. But he was a heck of a player, yeah, really good player, yeah, yeah, but no, I mean I think a null.
Speaker 5:Because you know, here I am, I'm coming from playing junior and everything else, and I mean alcohol. First of all, I couldn't afford alcohol, and if you bought a bottle of Baby Duck, that was a big thing back then. So, anyway, we come after practice and I was late coming back and there's Noel sitting in the bed having a beer and he goes. I'm going, you're drinking now, we play tomorrow. He goes, yeah, and I said you mean you drink beer before a game.
Speaker 5:And he says oh, yeah, no, no, everybody has a beer. You're playing hockey, you have to have beer and so anyway. So we went out for dinner and everything else and I had a couple of beers and jeez, I felt great. The next day I said, oh, maybe this is a good thing. So it actually helped me, because, that's, I had a hard time, like when I came. I remember Gila Point says what I remember when you first came to training camp, you said you put a piece of cotton on your head. You looked like a q-tip. I was about 193 pounds, right, I had a hard time keeping weight on, right, right, I think. Well, you were the same thing, right and uh, and I found that if I had a couple of beers, it helped me keep my my weight on.
Speaker 5:I was losing yeah, and now later I stopped drinking because it put too much weight on me. But so that was my first introduction to Noel. He told me that, yeah, you can have beer and play hockey.
Speaker 3:Well, you know, he's a beauty.
Speaker 5:He's a great guy. This guy, well, he was like in his what? Maybe mid to late 40s or 30s when he came to us. Yeah, he could still beat anybody on our team. Come on Twice around the rink. If you were going around the rink, not stopping and starting, but around the rink he could outskate. Probably 95% to 99% of them, Probably not Murray Wilson, because Murray Wilson could outskate anybody.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Mudside just.
Speaker 5:He was faster than Ivan Korniak.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, you guys would be the only ones that would know that, because you couldn't measure it in a game, in those days. And Korniak would get the puck at centre because he was, you know, a little bit more offensive-minded, obviously. Well plus he was shorter, so those two pistons were really going. I to say he wasn't grease lightning himself. No yeah, but Muzz really could fly.
Speaker 5:Oh my God. But like it was like glass, he would be hurt all the time. He was just yeah yeah. He was one of those guys. A lot of injuries, a lot of injuries. Yeah yeah, if he could have stayed, healthy what a great athlete I. Both his parents were Olympic athletes.
Speaker 3:Yes, exactly they passed it down. And Muzz, actually, if you go into the angles of Ottawa high school sports, he was one of the best athletes in the city of Ottawa.
Speaker 5:We used to compete in track and field together.
Speaker 3:Did you really?
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 3:So you knew him going back that far.
Speaker 5:Yeah, he was in the high jump and I did the triple jump.
Speaker 3:Okay, did you go to?
Speaker 2:Osgoode, high OTHS, yeah, oths in Metcalfe, that's fantastic man, holy cow.
Speaker 5:I'd like to go back and see because I held a lot of the track and field records in Osgoode. Maybe still there Shot put discus.
Speaker 3:Yeah, unless Dean Holmes came along and beat someone.
Speaker 5:No, I competed against Dean Holmes. Yeah.
Speaker 3:I mean, that's the thing, Larry, is that you know you're local reading and you are, and it would be interesting to see myself We'd probably know the names whoever it is that holds the records, that would be name Certainly. I would know, or you would maybe even know. It's amazing when you start talking local how much it's all linked. I make the joke about Dean Holms, the Holms family in Osgoode. They're legendary. That's a legendary family the rake's named after their dad, Stuart Metcalf's named after you. You can't beat stuff like that. I love stuff like that.
Speaker 3:Just before we leave the first cup 73, could you share something about Henri Richard with us, what it was like having him as a teammate? You and I were just talking, as Chris was setting up here, about some of the older guys on that 73 team. By the way, it should be pointed out, the 1973 Montreal Canadiens are the Stanley Cup winning team with the most Hall of Famers on the roster. We had 11 guys on that roster. No other Cup winning team has that many and it's because you got some of those like Henry. You had Frank Mahalic there, still. You had guys like Jacques Laperiere there still you had all you guys that were coming up, the big three. Yvon was there still. Obviously he caught both kind of right Because he kept going in the 70s too. But could you share something about?
Speaker 5:Henri Char. He was well, he was our captain back then. He never. He wasn't a big talker, he kind of sat right in the middle, went about his own, did his own little thing. He wasn't the fastest guy on the ice but he worked hard For a defenseman. He was awesome Because he was always in the right place and you always knew that you could. If you were in a jam, you always knew that you could give it off to him. He was a good passer. He could pass both sides and chop the snail. Yeah, he even right through to the end. He, when he got mad, yeah, I mean he came up through the old ranks. Yeah, yeah, they'd be in a scrum and somebody becoming out bleeding. You don't know how it happened, but he knew that, uh, that that uh henry had something to do with it. But he was our kind of our quiet leader. But it was fun because we used to always go down to his tavern. Yeah.
Speaker 5:And all the guys and meet down there after. So he kind of we kept that camaraderie and I still say to this day I think the reason that we won so many championships was that we weren't really a team, we were a family yeah you know, and it wasn't just the players, it was our kids, yeah, and the wives and every everybody seemed to get along everybody.
Speaker 5:And you felt worse about if there was a party called the team party and and you weren't able to go there. You would felt, felt worse if you didn't go there because you thought you were letting your teammates down or your family down. So we did a lot of things, we kept together and we fought for each other. Yeah we sure did.
Speaker 1:I heard some stories, you know when you guys were on the road, and so I'm looking for some confirmation. Apparently there was an incident with a case of beer and an escalator.
Speaker 5:Were you talking to Cornway? Yeah, it was. This came from him. He's still laughing today about it, see. So this was after a game in Detroit. Of course Scotty puts a curfew on, and so one of the guys said well, we'll all go back to my room at the hotel. But Scotty, I guess he had called the hotel and told them that they couldn't have any beer. So Yvonne and I went to one of the little places beside and we bought a case of beer at one of the bars close to the poncha train.
Speaker 5:And at the poncha train you come in the back doors and you go up the escalators and then you go to the second floor and then catch your elevators to go up to the top. So I'm carrying of course I'm the rookie, so I'm carrying the case back, and he says Larry, wait here. He says I'll go up the escalator and see if Scotty's up there and then I'll tell you to come up. So I said, ok, so I'm standing there with the case of beer, like this, and he goes to the top, and he goes like this and tells me to come, and so I'm going up, and about halfway up he comes back and he goes no, no, no, no. So here I am trying to run back down the escalator with this full case of beer and I'm going and I hear this and I look back up and I'm going.
Speaker 2:I hear this and I look back up and he's on the floor laughing.
Speaker 5:He goes, just kidding, come on up. So he got me. Good, but so that's what happened. Yeah, so I was trying to walk down this friggin escalator for the 24 case of beer in my hands and he basically yeah, that's a joke.
Speaker 1:It's on an escalator and it's going up.
Speaker 5:That's going up.
Speaker 1:So another road story I heard Now. Actually, I heard this from my brother who used to work. This is going back almost 40 years probably. He was still playing and you stayed at the Journey's End Hotel in East End, ottawa. You were driving a Vette, I think, at the time 72?. No, it would have been early 80s.
Speaker 5:Oh, that was my 66 then probably Okay, A red one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't remember, but you said that you were telling them that Scotty Bowman used to leave a hockey stick at the front desk of the hotel for guys.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, tell us about that. Is that true? That's true, yeah.
Speaker 5:Well, he didn't do it all the time, right, but we went my first four years in the league. Yeah. We never lost a game out west, jesus, in all the years that we went out there. And.
Speaker 5:I actually thought I didn't know there was sunshine in Vancouver because never went to Vancouver where it wasn't raining. So anyway, we won in Vancouver and we were all saying, well, we had a couple days off because we didn't go home that night, we had to stay over because we traveled commercial. So then the next day then we'd leave and so we had a 9 o'clock flight or another thing. So he said, okay, where everybody's going to go out, and Scotty made sure, you know. He said, no, guys, everybody has to come in. You have to be in your room by 1130. Cause we, when we go back, we've got games and everything.
Speaker 5:So what we didn't know was and it was Gaetan Lefebvre who was the trainer at the time he came he came back late with Scotty and Scotty had brought back a hockey stick with him, and so he said to the guy at the front desk says um, I'm going to be, uh, going up to my room right now. Uh, would you mind? Uh, most of the guys are going to be coming in a little bit later, around 11, 11, 30. Could you get all the guys, when they come in, to sign this stick? And so he knew that anybody that had signed the stick, come in after curfew, and so that's how he'd catch everybody. So one of the guys that he catches is Pete Mahavich.
Speaker 5:So the next day, the next day, scotty's standing there and he, he goes Peter, you're fined $200. I got you coming in after curfew. And Pete looks at him and he goes Scotty, you're right, here's your $200. Here's another $200, because I'm coming in late tomorrow too. That's so Pete, that's so Pete, that's so Pete, that's so Pete. And poor Scotty, you know, he doesn't know what to say. Yeah, oh, there was a lot of FU and FU and that kind of stuff. Scotty never sat. Most of the coaches sit in the front. Scotty never sat in the front, always sat in the back. Really, him and Ruel sat in the back because he could see everybody coming in.
Speaker 3:Okay, you know yeah.
Speaker 5:And guys would come in and they'd be walking in after a game or something like that, with their coats and they're going clink, clink, clink, clink, clink, clink, clink. They'd just sit down, because back then you weren't allowed to have beer after yeah, so everybody would bring their own.
Speaker 3:Larry, I said in the intro we were going to touch on February 17, 74. That's a Dave Schultz, right? Yeah, obviously you got to touch on that simply because of the role that not the role, but what you were able to provide for the Montreal Canadiens, who also had a number of other players, like Pierre Bouchard, make no mistake.
Speaker 5:Toughest guy ever.
Speaker 3:Bruin fans want to talk about Jonathan in 78. That's fine. You know, for seven or eight years prior to that he was a force Like he was an absolute force. You tell people that maybe don't remember him dressing and playing and being effective with the gloves on as a player, but also obviously off as well. He had a number of other guys on the team that were fractious and could take care of themselves, but that incident with Schultz most people in hockey history feel was a game changer and I've asked you everything about it over time. I don't want to go over it verbatim. I know you've talked about it absolutely ad nauseam. However, one thing I've never really asked you about that night was Schultz destroyed Van Bochum. It was Bochum.
Speaker 5:I mean it was his fault, right, Because Bochum, he didn't think he was going to get hit, right. And so all I mean Bochum had his arms down here and all Schultz did, he sucker punched him, sucker punched him. You know, yeah, and you know, everybody's talked to him about that before, but Boxy, I think, gave him the stick before that. Okay, so if you're going to give it, you better be ready to take it. You got to know. And it was his own fault. He just didn't prepare himself, right, he went down pretty hard though, yeah, but I I don't know if that that wasn't the cause of what happened later.
Speaker 5:No, no, what had happened later was and actually I had left the bench. I was, yeah, I was gone into the dressing room, I don't know, I got clipped by a stick or whatever from fort kinder chuck. And so, uh, I had gone back into the dressing room and all of a sudden one of the russian, the ushers, come running in, said larry, larry got to get out of here, there's a bench clearing brawl or whatever. So, caesar, be strict. So I, uh, so I I took off and I had my skates were undone, yeah, so I stopped at the bench and tightened my skates and by the time I got on, everybody had kind of paired up and I guess what had happened was, uh, pierre, uh, butch had hit clarky in the corner, okay, right right and that's what started the whole thing.
Speaker 5:And then every then, of course, somebody else came in and uh, and so on and so forth, and by the that time the both benches had, uh, had cleared. So. So anyway, I'm coming back on, and as I'm coming on the ice, I just kind of looked up and of course Schultz was the only one that didn't have a partner and he was starting to head towards where Le Fleur was because he didn't have a partner. And so I just headed straight towards Schultz and we kind of grabbed each other.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I had no, at that time I wasn't thinking of fighting or anything else, and we were just kind of grappling back and forth and I think Dornhofer and Pete were off on one other and they were kind of doing something, and I hadn't really wasn't kind of paying attention. I was kind of looking what was going on over there. And then Schultz, he kind of grabbed me like that and I thought he tried to headbutt me. So I got my right hand loose on him and then when I got my hand loose he had kind of pulled me again, and that's when I started to swing.
Speaker 3:Were you guys talking at all?
Speaker 5:No, never said a word, never said a word, no. So then, and then I got the first one in and then I was, I kind of pulled him a little bit and he kind of lost balance and went down like that and I was throwing uppercuts and then DuPont and a whole bunch of guys just jumped on my back, yeah. And when it was all back over, when it was all said and done, and I went back over into the corner and DuPont was in the in the corner, I said okay, you, whatever, yeah, I said. I said, now that I haven't got me from jumping from behind, said what, what are you gonna do now? Yeah, and he goes oh, no, larry, I'm just just protecting my yeah. Yeah. I said yeah, right, but I was tired anyway. So I went back. You're tired? Well, yeah, but the problem is you get into it and you forget to breathe. Yeah.
Speaker 5:You know you're holding your breath and you're swinging. Yeah, I wasn't by any means a boxer. Mo was a good fighter too. I know he was. Me too. And we both Jonesy too. Yeah, and we both Jonesy too. Yeah, and we both came up around the same time with a lot of tough guys. Yeah, he came up with Knuckles, nylon who started everything, every game. Yeah, wow, he was tough and he knew how to fight too.
Speaker 3:First knew how to fight. What a smart fighter. Smart fighter.
Speaker 5:And he cut people Right. I think, pound for pound. Kordick was tougher, yeah, because he was bigger and stronger and hit harder. Yeah, it's like everybody talks about Probert. Yeah, probert was one of the toughest in his time, no question. But they said that. Who was the other guy that was in Detroit at the time? Joey Kosher Kosher. Yeah, they said Kosher probably hit harder than anybody they've ever seen.
Speaker 3:He had a right hand and would knock out a force.
Speaker 5:Yes.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, some of his early fights like he fought a guy named Dave Richter. Yeah, some of the other guys, like he fought Harold Snapsey, some of those first ones. Still, he got full understanding of his range Not that he didn't fight in junior, but he wasn't fighting a lot of guys of that stature in junior. Once he got acclimatized to it then, yeah, he was absolutely the bruise bumps over to the kosher. They were devastating, devastating, devastating. On Detroit, for sure I got a question.
Speaker 1:For sure. Well, I've got a question. Throughout your career, I think there was an image of you being a gentle giant. I can use that. I know it's old and fucking used, but you know you can use that.
Speaker 3:We can swear on our show, by the way. Oh yeah, oh Okay, just in case. So yeah, he's not editing that out.
Speaker 1:So you know a lot of people you didn't. I mean, you fight, we know that, but you weren't fighting all the time. No, that was not part of your game for the most part.
Speaker 5:Well, scotty didn't want me fighting all the time, right? No, he would, because when I first came to in Halifax, basically Al McNeil told me. He said you either get tougher and meaner or you can't play here. You'll never be anything in the NHL or you'll never make it. So the next day I got in two fights or whatever. Yeah.
Speaker 5:But the game was different back then too. Yeah, our the american league when I, when I first started, yeah, it was tougher than the nhl. Yeah, because all the I hate calling them goons but all all the fighters and everything enforcers all got sent down to the minors because they'd only call them up when they needed them. So I mean we had Richie LeDuc and Reggie Fleming and Buzz Neok and all these tough guys all playing down in the minors. Actually, I played, yeah, oh, I mean it was nuts, so it was nothing to have two, three bench-clearing brawls a night.
Speaker 5:And so you it was basically you either you either take a fighter. You either you either took a fight or or you got run out of the league. We came home one night remember Lynn palace, yeah, yeah, one of the funniest guys I've ever seen so and we went after practice or something. They had a really, really good tavern just down the road from us in Halifax, and so we went there and we were all hammered after, and so we got a call and we were driving with Lynn. We got a call from his wife said Lynn, get your ass home here. We got to go and do something or whatever.
Speaker 5:And so he's talking to her and we could hear him. She says make sure somebody else drives, because you can't drive, you're drunk. We were all just as drunk as him. So, anyway, we get into the car and we're driving home, and I don't think we were over five or 10 miles an hour driving up into there. But the problem is is we went into the car and we're driving home, and I don't think we were over five or ten miles an hour driving up into there. But the problem is is we went into the parking lot and it was five miles an hour and ten miles an hour right in and we just we hit against the wall, boom, like that. You're there, we're there and Ben looks all around us and he goes whoop, I said what was that? And he's driving. So he gets out and he looks up and there's his wife standing there like this with her arms on her side. He goes you asshole Get off here.
Speaker 3:Oh man, I'll talk to you about this before, when Muzz used to run the fantasy camps in Tronglo and have the get-togethers and then then he used to do a golf thing and everybody would go to Dickie Moore's course at Rundell and I walked in behind you that one time. You may recall this as soon as I say it you probably will One of the coolest things I've ever, ever seen, because Dolly St Laurent and Phil Goyette and some of the guys were sitting on the porch and they got up to meet you when you walked in and you went up and you and Dolly hugged each other and he said hey, young, 19. And you said hey, old 19. Because you guys both wore 19. And I just thought it was one of the coolest things.
Speaker 5:There was always a great camaraderie with the old-timers and the present-day Montreal Canadiens well, present-day, when I was there, yeah, yeah, because they were always around. They used to have a room right across the way from our dressing room, right, and our dressing room was always wide open and the guys always came to the games and everything else, and I think that's that's kind of missing in today's game. Yeah, a lot is that they don't. It's like.
Speaker 5:It's like the uh, the old guys don't exist anymore yeah yeah and uh and that camaraderie was was always always present back when I was playing.
Speaker 1:So your career span, obviously 17. Right, yeah, and you know, I would venture to say that your time in LA was very different than your time in Montreal, way different. So tell us a little bit about that, like about what it was like to be in LA. I mean, you guys went to the show or to the dance in LA at that time. So your role being an elder, statesman at that point.
Speaker 5:No, I was an old fart in the background.
Speaker 1:But how did your role change and what was the difference in the team, the family or whatever that you guys?
Speaker 5:Well, as it turned out, it was one of the best things that ever happened to me, because I ended up going back there to coach for four years. They gave me my start in coaching whether that had a lot to do with my playing there or not, but I had a uh. For me it was a tough, tough transition because I, looking back on it, I wish I had been able to finish, start and finish my career in the same spot. Yeah, but at the same time, you know, I got to probably play with one of the greatest players ever in in Wayne Gretzky, and met and still have a lot of great friendships with, you know, jimmy Fox, who gave up his number, gave up, yeah, he gave up his number for me. He took six and gave me his 19. And so I mean we still we're still friends and we still converse and all that kind of stuff. But I was having a tough time because it was a different style that they were playing out there with Wayne and everything else.
Speaker 5:Rick Wilson was the coach at the time and I actually played with Rick in Halifax when I first started. He was a defenseman at the time. Rick and Rogie called me into the office and said, larry, we don't want you playing like Wayne Gretzky, we brought you here to play like you played in Montreal. You know, just play your game and quit trying to do what everybody else is doing. Yeah, and it basically saved my career, probably out there, and I finally just said, oh, yeah, okay. So I went back to playing the way that I knew how to play, not the fire wagon hockey that they were playing out there, and so it ended up basically I got all the young kids that they called up Robbie Blake when he first came in. I played with him when he first started and Deshane was my partner for a long time. Yeah, steve Deshane, steve Deshane, yeah, yeah. And so it was fun.
Speaker 3:What was Wayne like? What was he like as a teammate? What was he like? For your opinion, he'd been through Edmonton already.
Speaker 5:No, I mean he was great. I mean it's not my kind of circle. You know, like he was involved with all the movie stars and all that other stuff and everywhere he went I mean he couldn't go anywhere and hide it was basically everywhere he went. He was like a movie star and had to have security around him and all that kind of stuff. And that's not me. I'm a farm boy. Yeah, I like my privacy, and so Dave Taylor and I ended up hanging around quite a bit oh yeah, yeah, we lived not too far from each other so, yeah, we spent a lot of time together.
Speaker 5:our his wife and my wife were good friends and he had young kids and I had I had, uh, jeff was, yeah, going to uh what loyola marammount at the time. And so we lived in Studio City first and it was beautiful. I mean it overlooked Universal Studios. I mean it was so great to be able to come out of the rink, jump in your car, go back home, jump in the jacuzzi and have a beer and sit outside. It was just so outside, it was just so different. It was wonderful. The only drawback is that traveling just kicked the crap out of you.
Speaker 5:It wasn't until Anaheim came along, and then later on, when they bought their own planes and everything else, that you could compete with all the teams back east. I played in Jersey. You were home every night, basically. Yeah.
Speaker 5:And sometimes I mean, you took a bus to Washington, you took a bus to New York, you took a bus to Long Island, philly, yeah, la, I mean your shortest trip was three hours to Vancouver. Yeah, so that took its toll on you, but I had a good time out there, had a lot of great people and of course my daughter came out there with us and now she lives out there with her family. Have you ever heard the Buddy Hackett story about that? No, there's a guy that goes in to get a little enlargement and the doctor says well, it's funny, you're asking that we just have this new procedure now where we take an elephant's trunk and we attach it to your penis and basically you have it enlarged. He goes well, I don't know, I'll have to ask my wife. So, to ask my wife. So ask the wife. And wife was oh, are you kidding me? Yeah for sure. So went away, they, they do it and everything, and the wife's really really happy and so on and so forth. So they get invited over to the wife's uh parents place and so they're all sitting there and, uh, the wife's, of course she's really happy now because she's having great sex with his, her new husband's uh, penis and everything. So she starts playing with the guy's leg and of course the trunk's starting to get bigger and bigger. And all of a sudden this trunk comes up, grabs a, grabs a baked potato and goes back down. Goes back down and and they're looking around the mother, I guess, saw it and he says um, excuse me, uh, uh, could you, could you do that again? He goes I'd like to, but I don't think there's room for another potato up my ass.
Speaker 5:Jesus, that was Buddy Hackett. It's funny, you know, because you ask, you ask. We travel a lot on the planes and everything else. So you talk to the stewardesses and everything else and every one of them say the same thing the hockey players are the nicest, nicest people that they ever deal with. He said the basketball players are all a bunch of assholes and football players are rude and whatever, and baseball players the same thing. But should never. They never had a, never met a bad hockey player. And that's pretty well, because when you think about it to get into hockey, it's not. You can't just have somebody out of the back 40 that doesn't have any money that can get into hockey. Hockey is so damn expensive, you know. It's usually very affluential people and they scrimp and scrape for every dime that they can get so that they can afford to play the game, so it's usually a good mixture of people that play hockey.
Speaker 1:Getting recognized. If I'm walking down the street and I see a guy with a pair of gloves and I look, I would kind of just sort of give the Canadian nod and then move on. Do you get a lot of people coming up?
Speaker 5:to you. I've got to tell you that story. Were you with me, or was you? No, this my son, bob, so where you guys were this morning at that golf course Yep.
Speaker 5:So the first time I go over to play the golf course with my son, we're put with these two guys, bob and I can't remember his friend. Just for argument's sake we'll say his name was jack or whatever. So he's in this cart with boston ruins, memorabilia everywhere, I mean everywhere. Yeah, he's got a tat, bobby or tattoo, and then on the other arm he's got the uh, 18th hole of the champions where he had hit an eagle at Eagle Ridge. So we have that, that hole, and and that he shot an eagle, so he had that tattooed on his arm.
Speaker 5:So anyway, we're talking yeah, oh, he's more than that, yeah, so anyway so we're, we're playing along and we're talking about where you guys are from, we're from Canada or whatever, and so on and so forth. So in a way we got talking on hockey or something and he goes. You know what? Coming from Bath, I hated the Montreal Can Canadians, and especially that Larry Robinson, and I look over at him and I go don't you dare. Because he started to go to say something and I said oh yeah, why? He said why? Because he said they always won and we could never get into the zone because he was always winning and he was always bumping into our guys and knocking us over, and so on and so forth.
Speaker 5:So anyway, he didn't put two and two together, because when I do some stuff I'm Larry and this is Jeff, yeah. So anyway, we're going down, we had hitter shots, so we're going down and he's driving over there and I'm driving here, all of a sudden I see the cart turning like that and he comes roaring over and he goes You're fucking Larry Robinson, that's it.
Speaker 1:That was awesome.
Speaker 5:Oh, we started laughing and then I wanted to see, I wanted to wait, yeah, so, anyway, that's how it started. And then we started laughing and then, yeah, so, anyway, that's how it started. And then we started we golfed with him like what, about three or four Saturdays, oh, he said we had the greatest time, we were laughing and the whole bit and talking like Boston stories and Montreal stories and all this kind of stuff. And then, sadly, all of a sudden he didn't show up one day and so we were asking him he goes? Yeah, he had a heart attack and passed away about a month later. Oh, wow.
Speaker 5:So you're fucking Larry Robbins.
Speaker 3:I go, yeah, that's me, After not only calling out the Habs, but you specifically, what the fuck?
Speaker 1:Well, I assume you're the fucking leader of the block, yeah, I assume they fucking leave the block yeah. I know he's saying it for sure. Now obviously, being down in Florida, there are a lot of things too, but you find you have a great amount of anonymity here, like the speed we are.
Speaker 5:Now it is yeah, because I'm so far removed from when I played. A lot of the younger people don't remember or hadn't seen me. So up here it's worse because there's a lot more people my age and when they find out where I'm from, it's a new. So you look a lot like I go no, no, no, it's another guy. It's another guy.
Speaker 1:It's another guy, you can say that to me. I say Tom Selleck, and they say that and I say Danny. Devito.
Speaker 3:George Coluni Exactly. Well, chris was asking about what goal stands out and I'll tell you what one I mean. Larry, first goal of game five 78. Gets the Bruins in the final. You go coast to coast. Yeah, you know, you go up, put the Habs up 1-0. It's a pivotal game, you think about it. You sweep them in 77. You beat them in 6-78. Goes to OT in 79. I mean they were right there, finished obviously, beat them all three times. But the rivalry, not just Bouchard, jonathan and Wensink and Lupe, that game. But, by the way, tremblay hammered Schmott's very next game. I don't know that gets lost in conversation. But regardless, that goal, I mean that's got to be the greatest goal that you ever scored. I know that you got the one against Philly in the 70s and 73. Because it was yeah, but that was a shot. It was a shot right. But this one here, man, close to close like butter toast, I mean it's amazing. That's got to be great school.
Speaker 5:Yeah, that's one of my better goals. I think I ever scored. Yeah, how I did it? I have no idea.
Speaker 3:I was at that game. I sit behind the boss of goalie. Were you really Were?
Speaker 5:you really yeah, jerry.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Cheever.
Speaker 5:Yeah, against Cheever. Yeah, it started out and it's funny because I came around. I came around, serge had the puck and then I came around behind and picked it up and then took off and went all the way up the side and it was good because the fact that I got to go around Milbury, who just was, I know I love doing absolutely, but then cheesy kind of he, really he tried to poke check me early so I was able to bring it in and, yeah, he gave you enough. Excuse me, put it back the same side up there yeah yeah no that was.
Speaker 3:That was fun, fun times it's not just it was a beautiful goal, but how impactful it was like that was. You know it was the first goal of the game. Yeah, you know, so kind of set the tone because it was 0-0 for like forever.
Speaker 5:Yeah it was a good series. It was a hell of a series.
Speaker 3:It was a hell of a series. Obviously, you know the violence in Game 5 and 6. But you know I mean, hey, they were coming and they wanted it. And look, yeah, stan got the better of Pierre. Whatever you know.
Speaker 5:Well, you know what? Because I was standing right beside there. And the funny thing is is that Stan got Butch with the first one on the nose, so his eyes were watering and everything. But then D'Amico jumps in the middle, yeah, and just as Pierre swung, yeah, and so all the blood on the ice wasn't from Pierre, it was from D'Amico. I know D'Amico was cut badly too. Yeah, that was from a punch that was supposed to get Jonathan. Should have got Jonathan. Yeah, should have got Jonathan. So if D'Amico doesn't jump in, yeah, trust me, that turns out a lot, and that's the only bad thing about that happened from that, and I still I mean, I haven't brought it up with Scotty, but it just it ate Butch up, because Butch and I were roommates at the time.
Speaker 5:Oh, you were. Is that the following game? Pierre wanted to go back and get dressed and he wasn't dressed for the next game. Right, and that from then on, butch was just not the same. No, no, back and get dressed and he wasn't dressed for the next game. From then on, butch was just not the same.
Speaker 3:No, Butch would have gone against him.
Speaker 5:When he just flew around, butch would just punch you and the next day you'd look and you'd have a friggin burst. Oh, he was brute strong. Oh, really, really strong.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but this is where it goes. Gotta talk about, um, you know the run with the 77 halves and what it meant to to be on that team only lost eight games. He only lost 37 in four years and teams are doing that in a season. That's ridiculous what you did. Yeah, I just want you to speak to what it was like year in, week in, week out, month in, month out, when you go through the playoffs and win the Stanley Cup four years in a row. It's unbelievable. If you could just share some thoughts on the dominance, especially from the big threes perspective you, serge, and you, serge and Keith.
Speaker 5:Yeah, well, it's the same thing. Well, we didn't. I am wearing the shirt, yeah, and you know, the funny thing is is one of the losses was a two to one to Oakland Seals and Jill Milosz. We outshot them 48 to 13 and we lost two to one and they had champagne in the dressing room and the whole bit. But you know, I think that's what made Scotty so special is that was a hell of a team. Yeah, but he never let us feel like we were a hell of a team. Yeah.
Speaker 5:He always kept us on edge. Yeah, you know, we'd come back, like I said, we'd go out west, win all our games, come back home and the next day he'd skate the shit out of us Really, yeah. And then we'd have an off game where maybe we won, but we won in the third period and Kenny kept us in the first two games, the first two periods, or whatever, yeah, and the next day he'd say, okay, guys, nobody's on the ice. So we always kept job balance. Yeah.
Speaker 5:You never let the complacency and to me that's what I brought when I started coaching. Yeah, I took some stuff from Scotty and stuff that I learned from LeMair and whatever. And anybody can draw up and make plans for practices and all that other stuff. Yeah, can drop and make plans for practices and all that other stuff, yeah. But it's to be able to communicate with your players and motivate them and know when to push the buttons, when to kick them in the ass, when to pat them on the back and everything else. And scotty was good at that.
Speaker 3:Well, back to the devils. I'll finish on that one, I'll throw it back to chris. But uh, but, um, uh. Before we get to the devils in 2000 and your Stanley Cup there, can you just share something about the flower? I know I've asked you about him many times, but you know the guy, what he meant to the Montreal Canadiens, what he meant to the province of Quebec, what he meant to hockey in Canada, what he meant to hockey in the NHL. He was a teammate. I know he was a friend. You know you spoke at the funeral. Can you share something about gee? We asked shuddy about it too. And you know about uh, how he's the worst guy. Practice like he didn't never wanted him doing the drill first, apparently horrible yes, but I've never seen.
Speaker 5:The thing that was so great about flower is that we would have training camp. Come to training camp, uh, flower, would have you been on skates. Nope, what have you been doing? Well, I did this commercial and, whatever he put on his stuff, we go out on the ice and be the best frigging guy on the ice. Like for real, just for real. He was just unending. The guy could shoot, the guy could take a pass. I mean, you had probably about a four or five foot area around him. Yeah, it was on his backhand, didn't matter, it was on the other side. He'd take one hand off and he was so frigging strong, I mean, he had Popeye arms.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I know Huge.
Speaker 5:I met him.
Speaker 3:I didn't realize how frigging his arms were, just just like.
Speaker 5:Oh no, they were just like pipe steel. Yeah, yeah, so he could take a pass and shoot and do everything. I mean I wouldn't say he was overly fast and he had kind of a. He didn't have a. Like Murray Wilson has a beautiful stride. Yeah, Van Cormier had a beautiful stride. Yeah, Gies was kind of choppy but really efficient, yeah, and he could turn on a dime and uh and all of his, everything that, uh, he did came naturally. Yeah, I mean, he was just a natural, natural hockey player, yeah.
Speaker 5:That's what she's like that and and and and. That's what what Stevie was talking about. I, if you were, we had a like Serge and I usually played with him with Flower Shuddy, and then I think it was Pete Mohavlich or Jacques Lemaire in the middle, yeah, and we always had a thing Shuddy, if we're going out your side, you know we can shoot it around, because we knew Shuddy was always going to be there, yeah, but if we were going out the other side, it was either myself swinging that way or Serge going that way, or we'd use LeMire in the middle Flower where he was going. We didn't know We'd get it to him eventually, but that's the way he was.
Speaker 3:There's such a great image of you. Thursday, May 10, 79, the Too Many Men on the Ice call yeah and Game 7 against Boston. Sorry, Chris, Sorry, Chris. Sorry, buddy, but after Flower, I was at that game, yeah, and when Flower scored I swear to God, as God is my witness the railing shook in the forum. I was there at my late father and we had standing room and the railing shook when Flower scored. And when you watch it there's such a great image of you skating over. You know, Lemaire obviously was first on the scene. Obviously the game was tied. You had to go to OT and Lambert at 9.33. But your next guy on the scene coming in to congratulate him. You guys have tied the game with a buck 19 to go. And another tremendous shot by gila flirt. His shot like did he? Did he work? Did you see him in practice shooting a lot of pucks?
Speaker 5:he'd be out there for 40 minutes before practice. Really just, he'd shoot probably two, three hundred bucks before practice. No, kidding every day, almost. Yeah, he was amazing, amazing, he could put it wherever he wanted to. Wow, yeah, there wasn't a lucky shot.
Speaker 3:No.
Speaker 5:But I have to tell you something about that, that you're talking about long bear, yeah, so we tie it right, yeah, and then we go into overtime. Peter McNabb's coming down on my side, so I take Peter out, we both fall. We go into the boards. So I take Peter out, we both fall. We go into the boards and I look back and Terry O'Reilly's got the puck all alone in front against Kenny and I looked at Peter and I went, oh fuck. And he put it over the net, missed the net. We went back down. They made the pass across banging in the net. That's how, the difference between winning and losing down, yeah, they made the pass across banging in the net.
Speaker 3:That's how the difference between winning and losing Unbelievable. Yeah, I mean, mario threw it across. Reggie made even Reggie at center ice. A nice little tip to Mario on the fly.
Speaker 5:It's probably because he was scared to death. He was going to get hit. I don't want the puck here.
Speaker 3:Reggie's doing a great job with the alumni. Yeah, he does, he works hard, he works hard. I'm going to the game on Tuesday night and he got me tickets, you know, yeah, and I'm so appreciative of that and.
Speaker 3:I'm involved with the alumni there, the little bit that I am and I guess last one. Larry, I could go on for an hour, but last one for you. We do have to wrap up. We want to be cognizant of everybody here. So there's a story about you in New Jersey. So, first of all, I mean, you got hired eight games to go in the regular season, I think it was. Yeah, it wasn't very many.
Speaker 5:Was it Like, were you? I was at home, I just got into the car, I was leaving to go to practice and I get a phone call from Lou. I said, larry, I made the decision, I've let Robbie go. I want you to be the coach what? And I'm sure I must have swallowed my tongue or whatever. But I remember hesitating and I go, you want me. He goes, yes, I think you can take over for the rest of the year. I said, well, okay, whatever.
Speaker 5:And then I went to the, to the, my first practice. Then, wow, and by the first thing, and the first thing I did is I called a meeting because there was a lot of talking and and, uh, I, I love Robbie Fittorik. He was a great, a great friend and he helped me a lot again in my coaching. He allowed me during the lockout to run practices down in the minor leagues to learn how to do all that kind of stuff. Yeah, but Robbie's problem was that Arnott and Sikora and all those guys and Ilyash, if they did something wrong, it wasn't like some of the other guys.
Speaker 5:When they did something wrong, he didn't treat every Kind of a two-tier system, Kind of a two-tier system, I guess that's the best way of putting it. And so there was a lot of grumbling going on outside of the team and inside the team and so on and so forth. But well, we don't have any leaders, and everything else. So my first thing I did is I brought everybody in. I said, okay, enough of the bullshit. Yeah, you know, we were all saying you're pointing the fingers and this and that, saying you don't have any leaders, and so on and so forth. And I pointed at Scotty, Stephen, and I said you've got the best leader right here. You don't want a leader that's going to get up, rah, rah, rah, rah, rah, rah and everything else. This guy comes here and works his ass off every day, fights for you. He does everything. I said you've got the best leader here in Scotty, and that's where we're going to start.
Speaker 3:And from then on, holy cheese. Scotty played some of the best hockey of his life. I'm glad you're segwaying into that, because that was going to be my question about your relationship with Scott Stantz.
Speaker 5:We became really, really close. Well, first of all I had to coach him as an assistant. I remember the first time I saw him come off after he made a mistake and I went over to talk to him about the mistake and I could see the you know, I thought he was going to eat my arm and whatever. And I realized after I said, okay, you've got to give him about two or three seconds to calm down, because he had an unbelievable temper and everything. And that's when I first had the conversation. I said, scotty, you know you can't be doing all that he says. You're valuable to us.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, and you're not a stranger to going out in your life. So let's say you head off to the karaoke on Saturday night. What's Larry Robinson's go-to song?
Speaker 5:We Are Champions.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, hey, hey, hey, why not?
Speaker 5:Queen yeah.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah.
Speaker 5:Hey, hey, hey, my love.
Speaker 1:Queen, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5:It's a good one.
Speaker 1:It really is, or are you just doing that because you're?
Speaker 5:No, I love that song, oh you do it. I've seen that Bohemian Rhapsody. I think I've seen it like four times. Really, it's an awesome. When they show the stadium and they're all singing, it just gives you goosebumps. Amazing story.
Speaker 1:You know what? I'm going to use that as a jumping off point for the final thing. As a player, as a coach, you're surrounded by fans and noise and adulation. For years, Leaving that.
Speaker 5:What's it like post-career? As a regular guy, I'm more busy now since I left hockey than I did when I was in hockey. I mean, you look at my calendar, I can't find the numbers. There's something going on all the time Like because Moog now comes down for the winter and so we're golfing at least two or three or four times a week and my brother-in-law comes and spends three months with us during the winter and I spent one summer here and I said I'd never do it again because it's so damn hot and humid. So I go back up home and I have a boat now, so I miss it.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I finally bought it. I sold my 48 and bought a 44 sedan bridge. So I want to get back on the water because for me that's my downtime there you go you know it takes me about a week, but by by about the end of the first week. It's just like putting a needle in a in a balloon. I just, you, just relax and it's the most peaceful thing I've ever done well I have to thank you for joining us.
Speaker 1:It's been an absolute pleasure.
Speaker 3:You're not as intimidating as.
Speaker 1:I was expecting. I'm sitting, that's why, that's a game changer when you stand up. This has been Offside with Bob McGuire. I'm Bob McGuire. Alright, we're back and we haven't gone on a pub crawl yet, but we're planning on it Before we end this whole thing. By the way, as I said, apologies for the sound quality things that went on there.
Speaker 1:We didn't know. You know what? We did the best we could with what we had, and that's all that we're. Frankly, that's exactly what I said to my wife on our wedding night I did the best I can with what I have. That's it. So we're going to do before we end this whole episode. We're going to do a couple of things that we normally do. We do our this Week in Hockey History. Yeah, Okay, so right now we're going to go to this Week in Hockey History. Hello Canada.
Speaker 5:Lafleur coming out rather gingerly. Back to Lafleur.
Speaker 1:This Week in hockey history. Okay, welcome back to this week in hockey history. It just seems like seconds ago that we were just throwing to that bumper and then now we're already back. It's crazy, it's technology. Oh, you know what. It's actually AI, ai. Ai. Wow, AI yeah.
Speaker 3:Wow, ai is something else. I'm just kind of getting into it Well you know what Is it?
Speaker 1:an app or what is it? How do you use it? Well, one of the things that I do for this show… the preamble that you've been… oh yeah, so one of the things I do for the show is, in order to put it on a… you have to upload it to a website for it to go onto Spotify, where we have the podcast and all that stuff, and so it goes in and it sort of goes through the sound and makes sure it's clear, tries to edit it and it uses AI to do that, but it also will listen to everything and make a summary of all the topics. It'll say what we talked about. It'll actually do a whole, like you know, transcript for you.
Speaker 1:Now, it fucking misspells both of our names all the time. Right, it spells my name H-A-A-S, which is the kind of the German way of spelling it. Okay, and I'm not German. Okay, and it spells McGuire, mcg. Okay, mcg, which I go in and I change all the time. I change it, I change it, I change it and sometimes I miss. And then Liam shits, he gets fucking, he goes. When are you gonna learn? And he starts throwing things. You should see him's it's. You know, yeah, it's, uh, it's almost brady kachuk like no, I'm just kidding, no.
Speaker 1:So anyhow, sometimes I miss it, but for the most part I go through, so it does.
Speaker 3:Now that I know, yeah, I did not know that. I did not know you were doing that. I was going look at Chris waxing so poetically about our webcast.
Speaker 1:I do wax poetically. Wax on, wax off. Yeah, I know I do and I have to change it because it you know. But here's the thing sometimes it gets a little too.
Speaker 3:No, you can tell where it's AI you know, and you know, and so you got it.
Speaker 1:I have to edit it and change it, but it saves a significant amount of time. That's you know and you know, and so you got it. I have to edit it and change it, but it saves a significant amount of time.
Speaker 3:That's pretty cool, okay, I don't know what. Do you not see the bump? I mean, I think there's a bump in our viewership since you started posting those preamps.
Speaker 1:No, well, I should say that I you know what I've been doing, that all season, all season long, I've been using, are you sure? Yeah, absolutely, but you know, you know, I will tell you this and I'm going to be straightforward with all of the viewers out there Our numbers are down ever since I took the big-titted women off of the Well bring them back.
Speaker 3:If I do this, we can hockey. And ask Liam Like I can't do it all, I can't do it all. You get the big-titted women, you.
Speaker 3:I can't do it all, no, but you said you didn't want the crooners no, I never said I didn't want it I never, said that, in fact, I'm going to make a confession right now, publicly to support you, and it came from one of, if not the most hardcore friend I have as a hockey fan. It's Peter Oliver, okay, the guy known as Ollie. Ollie, I went over to where he's house-sitting for his sister and him and his son were there, bryce. Bryce is a regular watcher of the show yeah, and he will. His dad's not on anything, so he'll show it. He has a nice little laptop. He'll punch it up sometimes and they'll watch it and they're pretty religious watchers and they told me and I gotta be honest, I was blown away that they loved it. The uh, um women, the puck bunnies and the puck bunnies and the yeah, they absolutely said they were awesome.
Speaker 1:So let's get them back, man, all right, because I I dropped today, like I kind of well because I.
Speaker 3:I didn't know that you dropped it, only you know I I've been so I've heard some disparaging comments, uh, about the the this, this bit, and because, um, because I am up on a spectrum when it comes to hockey, right are you? Are you saying?
Speaker 1:that you only think hockey.
Speaker 3:Well, I do think about where my next pint's coming from, and I like the ladies too, but I never, would have, ever, ever in a million years. When you said that's bringing us in the show, if anybody was watching the show from the start, I think it's safe to say I was pretty uncomfortable.
Speaker 1:Well, here's the thing, and I said that we're, and I said that we're we, and I think that we have done it with taste.
Speaker 3:Yes, I think you've done an exceptional job the times that you've rolled them out and and you're, it is a lot of work. Yeah, oh, absolutely, and when? What I've been doing for the trivia now is you know, we, we continue. We always say we solicit. If anybody wants to write in a question, it's pretty difficult because I'm not right in front of you and now 90% of whatever you're asking you can probably find online.
Speaker 1:You can yeah, google, it's Google, which Google is, by the way, significantly artificial intelligence. Right For sure, right, right yeah.
Speaker 3:I get that. So you know it was always my intention to, as I've made, done several reincarnations of a podcast, slash, webcast, right that I had a. I mean, clearly Liam McGuire has to have some sort of historical component to it, you know, yeah, so maybe the Ask Liam isn't Liam should be dropped really, and not not the not the Puck Bunnies, puck bunnies, puck bunnies, the puck bunnies is probably I would hazard a guess, probably much more interesting. Well, tell me, ask Liam, this day in hockey, I think, has merit. You don't want to be, we're just kind of, we're just shooting the shit here on the show. We're talking about this. I'm telling you right now you show, we're talking about this. I'm telling you right now you could cover off trivia on this day in hockey. You don't even really need an ask william. Look, if there's an ask william there's been a couple, you know there's been a few that that have been mentioned on the threads.
Speaker 3:I put it on my platforms, you post it, I grab the link and I repost it because it just carries just. You know it's, it carries more. If I don't it. Well, I don't even know why. Chris, I can't explain. You know what? If I just shared what you put, I extrapolate from it and I repost it right and, and it just seems to carry a little bit more.
Speaker 1:so well, I think a lot of times people don't they see something, go yeah, yeah, okay. And then they scroll by. When they see a woman with large breasts, well, they click 90% of all guys.
Speaker 3:it was how many people we've had people even say, oh, I just clicked on it because of the picture you know, and maybe they stayed and listened for five minutes or something. No, you know what. No no.
Speaker 1:Here's the thing when people stay, they stay for a long time. Okay, our analytics are really good. Like, when people start watching the show, they watch for a long time. Now, people start watching the show, yeah, they watch for a long time now.
Speaker 3:I'm gonna be honest. They don't stay for the two hours that we go.
Speaker 1:No, we probably go too long we go too long. But yeah, you know what I mean. That's what she said. Yeah, uh, yeah, okay, we go too long.
Speaker 3:Bring the pup bunnies back it's my vote all right, well, we'll bring them back we have one week left to do it. We'll bring it back well, yeah, yeah, I guess we're not gonna really throw throwing away in the playoffs, I guess Because the playoffs are going to be so hardcore.
Speaker 1:And you know what, especially the first two rounds. That's right, so we're going to do what we can do. Maybe the third round, you know what? We'll figure it out. Yeah, we'll figure it out.
Speaker 3:We'll figure it out.
Speaker 1:yeah, we'll try to yeah, we got a lot. We got a lot to do. Yeah, and we do. We still have friday night fights to arrange too.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, well, there's a lot of stuff that's a big one, yeah, that's a big one to arrange, um, okay, so, uh, this week in hockey history, this week in hockey history about today's date, we're taping, so hold on, I'm going to stop stop you right there.
Speaker 1:yeah, so we're going to get. We're going to now pretend that we're cutting to that Cause, all of that we just talked about. We'll have to. You know cause it's. I just put the bumper on and then like seconds, okay, so, uh, I'm just going to finish this and we're back again. No, no, we're back again. It's it's the. Uh, it's editing boy. It's those scissors, that scissor thing. It's editing boy. It's those scissors, that scissor thing. We are back again from a bumper. Okay for the this Week in Hockey History. Okay, and today is the A hateful day for you as a Bruin fan. Oh, is it? Yeah, it's a bad day. Bad day for you.
Speaker 3:Bad day for me.
Speaker 1:Very bad day for you as a Bruin fan. Oh is it? Yeah, it's a bad day. Bad day for you, bad day for me, very bad day.
Speaker 3:Although you were young. Okay, you were young, you don't remember it, but what do you mean? I don't remember it, I remember it vividly.
Speaker 1:Because of 1971. Okay, april 8th, april 8th 1971.
Speaker 3:Okay, game two Montreal-Boston quarterfinals. Was this 5-1? And then Boston lost, lost the game, yeah, and then eventually lost the series. Eventually lost the series Because they did not win the cup in 71.
Speaker 1:They won in 72. 70 and 72. That's right.
Speaker 3:They lost to Montreal in 71. This was game two. It was a Thursday night. I remember it well, st Leonard's. The next day. I was probably the happiest kid in school and the house are down 5-1. I will be honest, I remember sharks were right at the end of the second. I remember I was watching with my dad in our back kitchen on the cars or first line and uh, five, two dads, it's over bruins had won game one.
Speaker 3:Bobby orr just looked like a god out there, like how you would be something today. He went down. No, no, no, no, no. He was in his prime and and just absolutely killing it out there, as well as espo and everybody. He scored 399 goals. Regular season 37 team individual records. Overwhelming favorites in the series lose game two.
Speaker 3:This date, 1971, april 8th as we're taping, and, uh, uh, we turned over, my dad and I turned over to the Toronto series and in the Toronto series because we were watching Montreal, french and the Toronto series announced that Jean Belvault had just scored two goals in like three minutes and it was 5-4. We turned back just to see I think it was Lemaire or Frank Mahal which got the tire. Fergie scored as well. Habs ended up winning 7-5. Absolutely, we watched the rest of the game, obviously from the time we turned it back. There was still lots of time to go, but the Bruins were demoralized in that game and never recovered. They end up losing the series in seven on home ice as well, even though that was early in the series. It was a real exclamation mark. So, april 8th, and the only one I got chris is um again, I just decided for this day I won't go too too far ahead, but april 9th 1968, kind of neat, very historical first ever penalty shot goal in the playoffs oh really in the nhl.
Speaker 3:In the nhl that needs to be pointed out because the patrick brothers, when they went out west and started the Pacific Coast Hockey Association, pacific Coast Hockey League, pacific Coast Hockey Association, they were the ones that put numbers on the back. They were the one to.
Speaker 3:They implemented so many rule changes and one of the rules they brought in was the penalty shot okay so when the Stanley Cup winner from 1917-18 to 1924-25 had to play the winner of other leagues not the Stanley Cup winner, excuse me, the NHL winner had to play a winner of other leagues, when the games were played out west, the penalty shot was in vogue. However, that's not called NHL penalty shot playoff history. Okay, because that was Stanley Cup playoff. Are you following me? I shot playoff history.
Speaker 3:Okay, because that was Stanley Cup playoff. Are you following me? I follow you Absolutely Okay. So Babe Dye, cecil, babe Dye is actually on record with the first Stanley Cup penalty shot taken Okay Okay, in 1922. Did he score? He took one and he scored. Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, did he score. He took one and he scored.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah. And the first one, specifically in the NHL, was April 9th 1968. Wayne Connolly, a name you may remember, okay, played for a while, played for the Bruins, started with the Habs, signed a C-form with the Habs, played a couple games, went to the Boston Bruins, played about three years for the Bruins, ended. It was Minnesota North Stars 40,. Went to Detroit, played about 500, 600 games in the NHL, 300 in the WHA. Scored penalty shot goal April 9, 1968 against Terry Sawchuck. Really.
Speaker 3:And it was game three of their opening series in the West, first season 1968. They had lost the first two. They won that game, that goal chased. Well, they let Sawchuck finish the period. Then they pulled him. Wayne Rutledge came in in remember that name or not? The two goalies score ends up 7-5. The two goalies of Terry Sawchuck and Glenn Hall. I mean, come on, yeah, I mean that's just history, that's dripping history to me. April 9th 1968, wayne Connolly scores the first ever penalty shot goal. I thought it was very, very cool. And there's been a number of other penalty shot moments On April 9th. I could go on, but I'll leave it at that.
Speaker 3:We've gone on long enough. It's hard to get from us to go on. That's right. I know when I've had enough. This isn't it.
Speaker 1:All right, this has been this Week in Hockey History. All right, we are back from our time travel. Yeah, that was our time travel. Amazing. I don't know if you've ever seen that. Have you ever watched the way the thing? And it looks like we're going to?
Speaker 3:And we go back, beam me up, scotty, yeah, no, no.
Speaker 1:But the bumper that I do for this.
Speaker 3:Oh, oh, oh, oh no.
Speaker 1:I've seen it for this oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. And I survived. You know what was going to happen. Well, you know what. There's a lot of talk about this being the end of the world and all these things, and there's a lot. One thing you realize is that there's a lot of people who really need a life. I'll tell you well, we know well that, you know. I mean so now, speaking of which the least play tonight, do they not? You know, I mean so now, speaking of which, the Leafs play tonight, do they not?
Speaker 3:I actually don't know the schedule tonight. I was in low Quebec for three days and my head is not. I do not know who plays tonight. Okay, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Well, there you have it, folks. Liam McGuire has been abducted by the Frenchies.
Speaker 3:I actually don't know who plays tonight, but I know this week and week and a half to go, it's going to.
Speaker 1:it always is I think that tonight, and for some reason, I believe it's Pittsburgh Leafs yeah, yeah, go with it, and I'm sure so. I'm really hoping that Pittsburgh, I'd love to see City. I want to see this, I want to see that big time.
Speaker 3:I want my preseason prediction to come true and then I'd be a good feather in your cap, because I wrote them off totally Actually. I'm already eating my words. Let's be honest, I didn't expect him to be in the playoff race, even a month ago.
Speaker 3:I didn't see it. I mean there's no way, and that's why Sid playoff race. Even a month ago, I didn't see it Right. I mean there's no way, and he is. That's why Sid, as we talked earlier, does he deserve our trophy votes? He does, you know. He can make a case. Anyway, I'd love to see them in All right, but I didn't think they have a chance.
Speaker 1:So that's what I'm going to be doing this evening Is that right now Watching Pittsburgh and Okay, if that is indeed the game that I think it is. Yeah, okay, and then hopefully I'll be happy at the end of that. Yeah, otherwise I'll curl up in a ball in the corner and cry. Yeah. Okay.
Speaker 3:Pittsburgh I mean the Leafs are a better team. So you know, don't buy that.
Speaker 1:Toronto, I know, but you know what. 64 now for Matthews, I know, but I know, but the Leafs, you know what.
Speaker 3:Again they don't show the depth, the grit, the Boy, I don't know. I think they've shown more to me in 2024. Well, yeah, okay, okay, they're getting better but they're not.
Speaker 1:I don't know. Anyways, you know what?
Speaker 3:Well, it's because they're opening up against Florida or Boston and they're going to be underdogs.
Speaker 1:I'm telling you right now I'm cheering for the Pittsburgh Penguins this evening. Good enough, okay, all right. Against the Toronto Maple Leafs, yeah, and any of you Leafs fans out there, yeah, okay, it's like the guy remember in Stripes, the movie Stripes, yes, of course, okay, yeah, any of you homos, any of you Leaf fans, don't touch my stuff, sorry, I just you know what. And listen, I'm going to say this right now. I was quoting a movie. If there are any homos out there who are offended, I did not mean anything by that at all. I was not even referring to you. I was referring to, you know what I mean? Leaf fans really. And if Leaf fans are offended, fucking good for you. So, anyhow, do you think we'll get more sponsors? That's right.
Speaker 3:And he's McGuire.
Speaker 1:All right, this has been Offside with Hans McGuire. I'm Hans.
Speaker 3:I'm McGuire, giddy, they're perfect.
