Offside with Hawes and Maguire
Offside: with Hawes and Maguire is not your typical hockey show. This weekly
45-60 minute show is a potent combination of humour and genuine hockey insights that pushes the envelope.
- Liam is renowned for his photographic memory, lively storytelling, vast hockey knowledge and sometimes over-the-top passion for the game of hockey.
- Chris is known for his unrehearsed humour, contagious laughter and uncanny ability to make even the most serious debates end in boisterous guffaws.
Between the two, there is an infectious enthusiasm and professional chemistry that is evident from the outset. It can only be described as lightning in a bottle.
Offside with Hawes and Maguire
What's performance worth? Crazy exciting Playoff analysis. Gretzky phones it in.
Ever been asked to work for free? We kick off this episode of Offside with Hawes and Maguire by sharing some personal stories about the frustrating expectation that performers should work for "exposure," especially in charitable contexts where everyone else gets paid. We'll discuss why it's essential for entertainers to be treated equitably and the value of their contributions. Plus, we'll give you a taste of the excitement surrounding a forthcoming member guest event known for its delectable cuisine.
Switching lanes, we passionately defend Wayne Gretzky's tenure with the New York Rangers. Was he really coasting through his final seasons? We think not! Delving into recent analytics from the 1987 Canada Cup, we'll highlight how Gretzky's exemplary statistics prove his enduring dedication and impact on the game. Our lively chat also touches on how modern analytics might redefine our understanding of legendary performances, offering a fresh lens through which to appreciate some of hockey's greatest moments.
To wrap things up, we turn our attention to the current NHL playoffs, celebrating standout players like Alexander Barkov and Austin Matthews while reflecting on historical comparisons with legends such as Rocket Richard and Joe Sakic. We’ll explore the dynamics of team compositions and the critical role of character in clutch performances. From the promising futures of young stars like Alexis Lafreniere to reminiscing about memorable road trips and friendships, this episode is filled with rich hockey analysis and heartwarming stories. Join us for a spirited and insightful journey through the world of comedy and hockey!
It's Offside with Haas and McGuire, all right, okay, all right, all right.
Speaker 2:Oh, did you see that?
Speaker 1:There was an explosion of beer there, of hockey, of hockey. I had to say La Hine there, Okay.
Speaker 2:Welcome to.
Speaker 1:Offside with Haas and McGuire. I'm Haas, I'm McGuire and we've got lots. You don't know which way you're pointing.
Speaker 2:I think I hear, right, you're pointing to that guy. Yeah, yeah, you're pointing to that guy. I knew that Been a while.
Speaker 1:And we had discussed, for future reference, wearing white after Labor Day. White is bad.
Speaker 2:Yes, that's right. White is on camera, that's right.
Speaker 1:Okay, so to talk about. Oh God, it's extremely exciting, okay, but we're going to talk about it because we started to talk about something, about the members thing, right?
Speaker 2:So I got to tell you a story. You mean a read-of-you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So that's exciting, because here's the thing Wait you got to tell me I love the food, you're coming, I'm coming.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I'm coming, I'm going to be in the member guest thing with Liam and I'm going for the food. I mean, you know I like Liam and all, but oh my God, did they put on a spread? Eh, we put on a spread.
Speaker 2:Oh, it's fucking great. You had a bit of a sample of it last year.
Speaker 1:I had a sample of it last year. It was awesome. It was pretty crazy.
Speaker 1:So I'm excited about it. But so, uh, next week I was supposed to be, uh, performing and seeing a golf tournament. Yeah, okay, that I had done the previous year, okay, and, um, so the previous year, the guy who was gonna want it he was a lot of talk, right, it's gonna be a sponsor for us, okay, okay, thought they were going to be sponsors, oh, yeah, they didn't end up becoming sponsors, that's okay. Yeah, so then, but I do the gig. Last year, okay, and you know it's several hours worth of work, you know how much work it is. Oh, yeah, right, right, okay.
Speaker 1:And I played golf, right, yeah, which I didn't even do for free. I, I paid, you know what I mean. So I got, I got, uh, I did the gig, and they all loved it. They were going on, we want you to do it again next year, for sure, so they can reach out to me and they get, oh, yeah, and I said, okay, I said, but this is my price this year, okay, and, and it's not an expensive price, it's not, like you know, I know what reasonable?
Speaker 1:it's a reason, not only it's, it's a great price, okay, okay, yeah, I said but that I need that, okay, and I golf for free, like I'm gonna, I'm there, I'll be picking up material, meeting people doing stuff like that, but it's all work, yeah. So I want you know what I mean. So the guy goes oh, comes back just like just this week. Oh yeah, hadn't really budgeted, so about that. Budgeted for.
Speaker 2:We had budgeted you for nothing, exactly.
Speaker 1:And I was like, okay, let me get this straight. He goes yeah, like you know, it's going to erode what we can give away to Chio. And listen, I'm all for the kids at Chio. Actually, you know what Fuck them Okay, the kids achieve. Actually, you know what Fuck them Okay. Cause. Here's why I say that Okay, Because the caterer.
Speaker 2:Guess what the caterer is getting paid. I lost in the pool again, folks.
Speaker 1:I had five minutes. Okay, the caterer he's getting paid right and they're not fucking discounting their food. Okay, the golf course they're getting paid for their fucking green fees and their carts. Right, and the booze there's a bit of booze you can be drinking, yep, okay. Oh, and I brought them Redneck Redneck's setting up and giving you a whole bunch of free stuff Perfect, okay. So I do all that. The girl from Chio who comes to collect the check Yep, she's on staff.
Speaker 2:Yep, he has a salary already.
Speaker 1:The corporation is doing it. Okay, the people who are working it's on Tuesday, they're being paid their salary, but the emcee and comedian gets fuck. All you know that's.
Speaker 2:And I say that you preach to the choir brother. You know, and so you know this.
Speaker 1:And I know, and all my musician friends as well, feel the same way, like oh the band. Feel the same way like oh the band, can you guys play for free? It'll give you some exposure. You know, the only exposure you need right now is for me to drop my pants, you know, and he goes oh no, no, we totally value you. You know what I mean? I should have raised the prices a little bit, so I thought I should tell you what. If you value it so much, go back to the caterer and see if he'll knock 10 bucks a person off so that you can paint.
Speaker 2:Yeah it wasn't all that.
Speaker 1:They won't do that yeah, exactly, so that's why I'm not doing the gig. Yeah, this, this thing. So you know what? I don't feel bad, no, but I it actually. But it's irritating. And they're nice, they're nice people, but they don't have any understanding.
Speaker 2:Everybody's nice, everyone's nice yeah, everybody's nice, but everybody, not everybody, but a lot of people don't don't't have that understanding. I, I, the only place I deal with it is here in Ottawa, in my backyard, every every place else. I work outside the city, I work outside the province. I've traveled this country coast to coast in the last six months. I mean literally been as far east and as far west as you could go. Everybody else understands it, but in here, in your backyard, it's partly because, like well, it's because we're local, we're, and and you're canadian.
Speaker 1:Uh, so you can't possibly be fucking worth anything like this is the whole thing, like yeah you go. When I did work in the us, the pay was like five and ten times what I'd make in canada yeah, and they don't blink an eye.
Speaker 2:It's what's your fee and you get paid here. It's a different story.
Speaker 1:So, speaking of which, okay, only because we're doing the member guest, we can't do the draft and the awards show, because the draft and the awards are the same week, right? So unfortunately we're not going to Vegas. Folks Doesn't look like it Doesn't look like we're going to Vegas all right, no more talk about that. Is there anything else you want to bring up related to that?
Speaker 2:no, other than I feel your pain, and uh, and, and whatever that's it. I mean, I feel your pain, I've been there, done that, I'm still there, still doing that, and uh, it's, it is amazing, you're worth every dime and anybody who takes the microphone, you know, unless you're, I've been there, done that, I'm still there, still doing that, and it is amazing.
Speaker 2:You're worth every dime and anybody who takes the microphone, you know, unless you're actually working for that company. If you're bringing in somebody else from the outside to do the job, I mean who out there is working for free. It's a job. It's how I make my living. That's exactly it. I make my living that way, I know. That's exactly it. Make my living that way, I know. So it is frustrating.
Speaker 1:No, that's all I got, brother, all right. No, okay, and I knew you'd agree with me. Yeah About that and the food at Rideau.
Speaker 2:View. Definitely I'm not a foodie, but I saw you go into a food coma last year.
Speaker 1:I'm actually going to starve myself for three days beforehand. It'll be like. You know what it'll be like. Eh, it'll be like uh, when Tom, uh, uh, what's his name there? Uh, no, not Tom Cruise. Uh, tom Hanks. Yeah, came off the deserted island. Oh yeah, they've got the, they've got the big smorgasbord of things there for them. You know, uh, it'll be like, yeah, I can, you know I'll be, it'll be, it'll be pretty good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1:So we should talk something about hockey. Okay, all right, yeah, so at this juncture, yeah, okay, yeah, this both series are tied to two. Yes, okay, now I want to ask you, and we'll, we'll, we'll attack each series, of course, okay, separately. Yeah, I want to talk New York, florida, I want to talk New York, florida, okay. Yeah, fucking, exciting.
Speaker 2:It is. It's fucking amazing. It's getting nasty too. Well, it has been nasty. Yeah, right from game one, really, yeah, but isn't it?
Speaker 1:Like it is just, and you know, what I like about it is that it's not template talkie, right, it's not. This is what our set play is. It's it, it's, it's, it's all over the place now, like there's a lot of creativity happening. Yeah, like, and you know, I, I gotta say the, that florida team, it, I mean new york's good, no, like, remember you're wrong and they, but that florida team, if they don't win the cup, boy, I, you know, and I want edmonton to win the cup for the record now so do I, but cheering for them too wow, like that Florida team is well, they look great.
Speaker 2:I mean, they went to the final last year, chris, so it's not exactly smoke and mirrors. They've, uh, they've got a very established lineup. You've got, um, you've got all of the requirements. You've got your scorers. You've got your playmakers. You've got your shit disturbers. You've got your, your grit, you've you've got your physicality on the back end. You've got good goaltending. I mean the coach, paul Maurice.
Speaker 1:He's never won and I thought he won in Carolina no, that was actually LaViolette who's coaching the other team okay so it's.
Speaker 2:It's an interesting scenario in that sense and that happens all the time in hockey. You know there's always a lot of bouncing around, but I mean, in the case of maurice, who's one of the most longest serving coaches in nhl history and he's never won, and this guy now has got a hell of a team again and they're playing the rangers, who are a hell of a team, and this series has just had everything, most notably late, the late, the latest one being the crider to chuck. Uh, back and forth over the mouth guard. That's the best play he made all game to chuck's. It's the crider post game. I mean, you gotta love it. That'd be a good fight actually if they went. But uh, you know there hasn't been much of that, but there's been a lot of the required uh, other elements uh, truba and the chicken wing, and no suspension. Five thousand dollar, fine, I had zero problem with that.
Speaker 1:I don't know if you did or not you know what playoff hockey, unless it is injury inducing, I say you know, let it go well, the.
Speaker 2:The bottom line is is is that the the contact was originally with the shoulder. The primary contact was not the head Right. And look, rodriguez sold it. It's so difficult for people to understand that. To me it's plain, it's black and white.
Speaker 1:He sold it as well. They're all selling it. Fuck, like the drama, like you know the drama that goes on. When I who was it the? Uh last night? Um, oh, dry sidle. Yeah, did you see the little clip the elbow, the elbow, dry sidle. Yeah. Yeah, holy christ you, I thought he was literally I thought there was a another kennedy assassination shot from the grassy knoll. Yeah, he fucking went down. He was moaning and you know what I mean. And then he is a little theatrical out there.
Speaker 2:So, um, I was just revisiting some of his career, such as it was when he, you know, he's german born and right and came over here and played in our junior system. Has so many of them do, right, you know? And then they go back and play for other countries, where they're from, and they beat Canada, and it's Canada who can't develop anybody, yet we develop them.
Speaker 1:But anyway, don't get me going. Oh, so you're talking the Worlds now I'm just talking.
Speaker 2:I mean, whatever we finish fourth, it's a C tournament, but I'm not even complaining about that. I'm not actually complaining. Oh no, you're not.
Speaker 1:You're not, but I cause I wanted to talk. I wasn't going to bring it up, but that you do, so I don't know where the hell I was. Where was I recently? You were, uh. I was somewhere. You were in Ireland. I was in Ireland.
Speaker 2:And then I came back and I went away. Yeah, you went somewhere for a golf trip.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's right. Oh yeah, okay, it was in thousand islands.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, it was great. All right, I think you were there when the Worlds were on, probably, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1:So that's where it was. So two things I got to say. First of all, I got to learn where I am and who I'm with. Okay, so this ought to be good.
Speaker 2:A couple of guys are bitching and moaning about.
Speaker 1:You know, canada, these kids let us down and blah, blah, blah, blah, and that guy, you know that whole thing. You gotta be kidding me. That's exactly what I said, right, which some of these guys I don't know they're friends of friends, right, and so I attacked them as if they were my friends, yeah, and they know, like you know you would get so at that I was like, oh yeah, that was wrong. And then we're into it and I'm literally just teetering on falling over. I was very tired. What?
Speaker 2:do I tell you all the time. Chris, Just follow my lead Drink like.
Speaker 1:I do. Yeah, I know I can't. I didn't even come close to drinking like you did. But that being said, so we're sitting there and then someone and Gretzky we're watching the US feed, ok, so Gretz is on the panel, ok. And someone goes oh, did you ever see Gretzky play? I said yeah, actually I saw him play twice. And then I was saying I saw him play in when he was a New York Ranger.
Speaker 2:Yeah, at the end.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, a couple of times that when he was with the New York Rangers and and someone said, oh yeah, but that's. You know something about the regular season? Like fucking Gretzky just phoned it in and I was like, are you? So I sort of turn and I go are you fucking kidding me? You're gonna tell me Wayne Gretzky phoned it. I don't think he ever fucking phoned it in a day in his life, right? So I fucking lay into this guy as if I'm laying into you. Okay, right, knowing that you know whatever you'll tell me to go fuck myself whatever, yeah, it's all whatever.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh, my God, real realize you don't really know the guy realize, I didn't really know the guy, which usually means that you want to take this outside. Well, no, I didn't know.
Speaker 1:No, I never got to that honestly, the guy crumbled like I felt oh you, you crushed him. I fucking felt horrible, like you know what I mean, and so here I am well price you pay for a stupid comment.
Speaker 2:Well, I know, but I shouldn't 382 points in the playoffs. Wayne Gretzky, 122 goals. Like give, give me a break, seriously. Well, I mean that's. Did you see the thing that's blowing up on social media right now? I know you're not on, but Wayne Gretzky, so he's on the TNT panel. Look, the exact thing you're talking about. Okay, and Mike Kelly, who has fast-tracked his way. I mean, I'm not a big analytics guy, but Mike does such an amazing job Anytime you can see him or hear him on the air.
Speaker 1:Now is he down in New Jersey guy. Is that the same guy?
Speaker 2:God, you know what. I'm not sure where his home base is, but they had him on the broadcast. I guess he was having an informal conversation with Wayne sometime at one time. And Wayne said you know, we never. We had no analytics back when I played, but everybody talks about the 87 Canada Cup, which being the three greatest games ever played, which they were right, the three game final when we beat Russia. And Wayne said I'd love to you know if you crunch, if you ever get a chance to crunch those numbers. Well, he did.
Speaker 2:Kelly crunches the numbers and he brings them on and Biz is on and Liam, their host, liam O'Brien they've got the whole panel and Wayne's over there. He's the only guy holding the stick. Mike Kelly's in the middle with the microphone and he's crunching the numbers Wayne Gretzky, mario Lemieuxieux, like everybody on team Canada 87 and the Russians. Yeah, and Wayne's numbers were ridiculous like this is taking this, the, the analytics of today, bringing them back, watching those games, doing all the micro analysis and the analytics and all the numbers and everything. And Wayne, the number the best one was in games two and three, which we needed to win both to win after losing game one in overtime, as I'm sure most people remember, and on September 11th that game two was the 13th, game three the 15th cop call. See him.
Speaker 1:Six, five, all three games, wayne's by the way, most people don't remember it to that extent.
Speaker 2:I think most would, wouldn't they? No, you don't know the dates.
Speaker 1:I mean, come on, no no, you know, like most people go yeah, I remember that Didn't Gretzky Lemieux wasn't there, something like that. That's what most people remember.
Speaker 2:Oh, fair enough, you remember youon story and the whole thing that happened. But for me and everyone who I was drinking with that night in Bell's Corners but when they did Wayne's, they called it I'm trying to remember the name of the stat, Mike called it but the high offensive pass chances in games two and three combined for the top russian, which was krutov or bekoff or one of them was jack off.
Speaker 1:Yeah, one of them jerked me off.
Speaker 2:One of them it was like five or six, mario lemieux was like seven. Wayne gretzky was 22, 22, like I thought wayne was going to fall over because he hadn't been told these you could tell. And they're going everything. They're doing the ozone time, they're doing high chances, they're doing Wayne's puck possession, they're doing this, they're doing that. It was unbelievable. If you watch the games you know this isn't outlandish to hear this. Except it's outlandish to hear it because nobody goes back. Like if you could go back and say do um. You know one of bobby oars say the game six against the rangers in 72, which I think was one of his greatest performances in an nhl game. Uh, wouldn't you love to? I mean, maybe nobody would love to know. What difference would it make it was he was superlative. However, it's interesting to hear it numerically. So it prompted me to think of that after your discussion in Thousand Islands in this licensed establishment where the guy said Gretzky mailed it in. What even is that?
Speaker 1:What even is that.
Speaker 2:How could anybody even say that, if you saw him play?
Speaker 1:And here's the thing I'm not even the giant Gretzky fan, but you know anyway. So that was where. Not even the giant Gretzky fan, but you know anyway. So that was where. So, but what I felt worse about was the fact that I treated him like I knew him, which you know what. In in many ways that's a nice thing, right, treating somebody like they're a long time, yeah, right. Except when you talk to them in the you know what I mean when you shoot them down like so. So I felt really bad about that. I feel shame.
Speaker 2:I go to box, you go back box for two minutes I feel shame. Then you go free. Yeah, yeah. So welcome to my world. I've cut down thousands in bars so that you have that.
Speaker 1:That I know, no. So listen, uh, we're moving on. We're going to move on from Florida back to the series.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know well, hold on, maybe, uh, I don't have too much else other than you. You touched on the, I think, the most salient point just how unfreaking, believable the hockey has been. Frankly, I thought um, uh, carolina, uh, rangers was an incredible series in terms of the play. What florida brings? It's bringing the nastiness out. It brings out the hockey that we all love to watch. By the way, I got to say, and I'll say this, my buddy, jerry Fleury, who does watch our show, he lives down in Toledo, I think, right now, and he bounces back to Florida and Detroit area.
Speaker 1:You know Toledo. I've been weighed there many times, have you?
Speaker 2:What are you on the Toledos today? He's personal friends with Donnie Waddell. Donnie Waddell ups and leaves Carolina. What is going on? Going to Columbus? I just find that move very, very interesting, Don't you? I mean, it's kind of a head scratcher. He had built up Thing is. Here's the thing about Carolina. They're just a really pretty team. I said this on our show.
Speaker 1:You must remember me saying those exact words. I know, but you didn't give them the credit that they deserve.
Speaker 2:Probably not, because they did play a hell of a series against a top drawer team.
Speaker 1:You thought they were going to flake.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I did and they didn't.
Speaker 1:I mean they ended up losing, but they didn't flake.
Speaker 2:They didn't flake. I mean they got the second round and at the end of the day, no.
Speaker 1:but even in the second round, those guys went to overtime. No, I know, I know, I know they didn't walk.
Speaker 2:I know. No, they didn't. No, it's a good point and they did play well, but ultimately, at the end of the day, and they just re-upped Brindamore, Like Brindamore gets re-upped for a billion years. Like I did a little thing and I touched on Carolina and I touched on Brindamore saying, look, they're going to lose. I mean, I they did give the Rangers a great series, there's no doubt, but I said they are going to lose and they did lose, yeah, and I said when they lose, I think they'll part ways with Brindamore, and they did not.
Speaker 1:So you know, how can you get rid of a coach? Yeah, that brings them to that level. Yeah, and, and at the end of the day, you can coach so much and you can talk about how great scotty bowman was, and I know we've heard you know, yeah, this and that he was fortuitous as well.
Speaker 2:He got parachuted into a lot of good scenarios, not taking saying the guy's not a great coach, but no, but you got. Took over two Stanley Cup winning teams folks.
Speaker 1:You got Carolina that achieves Like. Nobody's disappointed with Carolina's performance, even the fans.
Speaker 2:You know you want them to win the Cup but at the end of the day, I'll tell you what, chris they're never, ever, ever, ever going to win. As long as they play duck duck goose after games, it's just not going to happen. If you can that bullshit, and just lift your sticks and get away from all that stupid, inane, ridiculous stuff, just do something hockey or skate off the ice.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like what is this Every, every do you have to salute every time? I don't know, you know what that's nice.
Speaker 2:But you know, at the end of the day it's not a the worst thing. The worst thing is when they're racing back and forth and sliding and pushing each other like they're in 10 year old. I mean it's just so stupid lucky. I don't watch it and good on them and I didn't buy the t-shirt. I support everything they did and I know they went after grapes and they they, whatever. But I mean, at the end of the day, I'm sorry, it's the hockey gods, the hockey guards are going to make sure you don't win until you stop playing duck, duck goose.
Speaker 1:It's as simple as that well, the same hockey gods that I really like about anyway. So I was going to make a corano reference, but let's not, you know well, hey, listen, they got their new coach.
Speaker 2:They got berube, the guy everybody said was going to be. He's going to come in. But did you see the? What do you call?
Speaker 1:it Did you see the?
Speaker 2:picture of him and Mitch Marner.
Speaker 1:No, no, no In the diner.
Speaker 1:No, here's the thing. So he gets no named coach, head coach, yeah. And I don't know where I was at the time. I wasn't in Ottawa, and I don't know where I was at the time. I wasn't in Ottawa, yeah. But someone sends me this thing about oh, he's gone, he's going to be gone Because of his comment back when he was playing. He made, I guess he called somebody the N-word, or he called somebody a monkey Berube yeah, berube, yeah. And it was oh, he's fucking gone, they're going to get rid of him. They're going to get rid of him, they're going to be. It'll be another one of these situations. You know what I mean. It's like holy fuck, this is his third NHL team so he's not going anywhere.
Speaker 1:No, I know, but you know what? I don't know how you do it with people Dealing with the social media, people and that, oh it's a. Honestly, I just want to. You can't do it, but if I could have a giant hammer and just bonk. You know those big inflatable hammers yeah, but I want it to be real and I can swing it, because some of the things that I get, I was like I just you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Anyways, so that was it. So they got their new coach, but I didn't see what was with Marner.
Speaker 2:I mean, oh, it's just a picture of him and Berube, because Marner is the one that's been taking most of the heat for the loss. And you know, at the end of the day that was a coin flip against Boston, game 7 overtime. And frankly, you know, I mean if there was ever a series the Leafs should have beat Boston. You must admit that as a Bruin fan. Look, I got a Bobby shirt on today, hadn't worn it in a long time, thought I'd put it on and you know Bobby gave it to me so I thought I'd wear it.
Speaker 1:Bobby never gave me anything.
Speaker 2:No, but we'll get you hooked up with him.
Speaker 1:I'm going to Florida this week. Eh, Are you? I'm going to Florida.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So maybe we can call him, maybe I can play golf with him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I call, maybe I can play golf with him. Yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure it's only 120. He'll probably boot a guy off his, out of his force to get you in. Well, absolutely, why not? Uh, okay, yeah, what were we talking anyway? Berube, leaf, hire, um, it doesn't fix what the problem is on the ice, they're still a day late and a buck short on that roster. If you roll back like you got johnny t one more year, you know you got austin and mitch and definitely know you got Austin and Mitch indefinitely. Nylander, those guys weren't necessarily the problem. Well, marner was useless and Willie, I mean at least the guy's bleeding for you out there. Austin, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Well, here's the thing Austin Matthews is a legitimate. I mean, I wasn't a big fan of him, and partly because I didn't really like Toronto and that was part of it.
Speaker 2:Can he win in the playoffs?
Speaker 1:Well fuck, he did that game too.
Speaker 2:He did game two, but guess what? It's the best of seven, chris, I know, look at all the guys we grew up admiring, all the superstars we love now, whether it's Nathan McKinnon, whether it was Ovi in 2018, whether it's what Sid's done Look, this guy's a perennial 60 goal scorer. He may even score 70. What are you going to do in the playoffs?
Speaker 1:Well, that's the challenge, but it's also the challenge is the physical wear and tear right? That's what it comes down to.
Speaker 2:Oh fuck, look at McDavid. He's bigger, he's sturdier than McDavid is. Yeah, no, no, you're right, you know. I mean what's Jesus? I mean you're supposed to be the guy. You know Leaf fans anyway. Austin's your guy, he's your man, he's got another Rocket Richard trophy. But you need to have another gear of intestinal fortitude in the playoffs. If you're watching any of the games right now, that's got to be painfully obvious of where you've got to go. Do you not just watch the game sometimes and go oh sweet God, if I was to drop in, even like the Montreal Canadiens or the Ottawa Senators, or drop in some of these teams right now, into the middle of these series, and you go, holy shit, you'd get run right out of Dodge. Do you not see that? Oh, absolutely Obviously you do.
Speaker 1:It's incredible but you know what I look at. I look at some of the things that I see, some of the play, and we'll talk about this when we get out west here. Okay, I see, I mean, it's incredible hockey, like I mean it's fast, it's ridiculous playoffs and and you know what you have one done series.
Speaker 1:You have a delusion as a hockey player as you grow up, right, everywhere, at every level that you play, because hockey is at levels, right, which is the greatest, it's actually the best part of all of hockey is that there's levels of hockey. So the kid who's playing the host league, c? Yep, okay, yeah, there's a wayne gretzky in that league, no question, right, yeah. And then as you move up, there's you know what I mean bubble, and there's a Wayne Gretzky in that league no question Right, yeah.
Speaker 1:And then as you move up, you know what I mean, bubba, and there's always somebody, and so you always have that feeling of, oh, that's a great point.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean?
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's one of the best parts of hockey in my opinion. Yeah, Okay, yeah, and you see that. So these are all the and when I see a guy taking it to the next level and here's what I'm going to say about taking it to the next level you know who I have been most impressed with in this New York Florida series? Who Barkov?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, he's a beauty, he's a fucking beast.
Speaker 1:He's a warrior.
Speaker 2:I love him.
Speaker 1:He's two-way. I mean he's a great defensive hockey player. He's a fucking beast. He's a warrior. I love him and he's two-way. I mean he's a great defensive hockey player, but he's fucking brilliant with the puck. I mean that guy has taken it to the point where I mean he's there. I don't know if you saw a couple like some of the back checks that he's done. Yeah, fucking save goal. Pardon my language, I goals, pardon my language. I apologize folks, but have saved goals. Yeah, okay, has like literally, in my opinion. Yeah, on that florida team, I know he's the captain, yeah, but he has led that team, uh, about, maybe not in scoring me, you know, and I know that kachuk is is a heart and soul guy. Yeah, but without markov.
Speaker 2:You need several guys and they're. They're complimenting each other nicely right now and they've got they. They've, really, they have all the ingredients. Case in point going to the final, last year they just war of attrition. They had nothing left. They had nothing left against Vegas and they got run out of dodge by a Vegas team who were very, very well prepared, who look very much like Dallas does this year. To be perfectly honest, in, in my opinion, I did want to draw one other analogy, because we did kind of just throw Austin Matthews under the bus and I watched every second of every game and you know he had a lot of shifts and and a lot of games. It's the. He's been nominated for the. You know, I mean, I don't think he'll win it, but the guy got enough votes from people to get in the top three and I'm not. I don't think it was probably the wrong call.
Speaker 1:I've, I've seen him play? Has that, has it ever happened where somebody has won the Rocket, richard and the Selkie?
Speaker 2:No Well, the Rocket Richard only started in 99.
Speaker 1:Okay, so score.
Speaker 2:But in terms of goal scoring and scoring, and and of course, the selkie only started in 78, I believe it was so- no, I when I think selkie, I think bob gainey well, the trophy was created for him. I mean, there's there's no ifs, ands or buts. They said we've got to do something to honor bob, because what he does in our game is ridiculous. And you know, I mean, had there been one in the 60s, claude Provo would have won it 10 years in a row.
Speaker 1:So there was no, there was no um. There was no defensive error, there was no, really no there was nothing.
Speaker 2:Ganey won the first four years and, and, uh, and he is a prototype that everybody's measured against. Then you had guys that won it later, like Fedorov and whatnot. These guys were scoring 100 points and, and, and this is where Matthews, maybe, is up in that category. The thing is, I saw so many people commenting like I said, I watched every minute. He. He deserves a criticism because at the end of the day, when you score 69 goals, chris, yeah, and you're counted on to be the guy when push comes to shove and you've got that power play or you get into overtime. I mean, rocket richard had an ability to elevate. Joe sackick, for a modern example, had an ability to elevate, and you need to have a guy who has an ability to elevate to get you through a particular series and maybe you go down the path into a semi-final or maybe a final. Uncharted territory for the Toronto Maple Leafs, going back 57 years. It's not just. They haven't been beyond the second round since 0-4. They haven't been in a final since they won that cup in 67. So you've got so much work to do there and he needs to be an integral part. Yet he was nominated for a selkie.
Speaker 2:I just wanted you brought up Barkov and I didn't want to say everything negative about Austin. Yes, you need the points, but I did watch that guy block shots. I said to a guy on Twitter I said look the puck, just hit him. Then I watched the next game and I watched him actually getting in lanes. Yeah, I watched him getting in lanes and he did a freaking good job. And I watched him on the back chap and I thought of that as well as soon as you said bark off. Yeah, because that freaking guy he is the consummate 200 foot player right now and and Austin deserves a little bit of love in that in in that vein all right, well, and I'll give that to him.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean but not kind of a digression there. But I want to go back.
Speaker 1:Let's we're gonna move out, we're flying west, okay, it's there. There's now a other hell of a series, okay. So I don't know what night it was, maybe it was Thursday or Friday, well, whatever, we're watching the Dallas-Edmonton game and it's gotten better, but it was fucking robotic, yeah, you know what I mean. It was literally set play after set play after set play after set play. There was no emotion, there was no passion, there was no creativity, and I was sitting there and thinking this to myself, right, and one of the guys so I was, I was away, whatever it was like maybe it was Thursday night, okay.
Speaker 1:So one of the guys who was with us the golf and he's not I mean, he plays hockey, but he's not an intense hockey guy he goes, I don't know, is it me? But is this game boring? Right, but you know what it actually was boring at the time? Because it was just fucking run a set play, no, not back. Come regroup, run a set play, go back. And it was.
Speaker 1:That particular game was a bad game, okay. Then, of course, two days later, it was, you know, a little more. It's getting a little more exciting, but I find that there there's not the level of uh, you know, in creativity is the only word I can think of but guys aren't doing things that are off the uh, out of the norm, right, and, and trying to create something on their own or do whatever it's very set. Go in there. You know I'm going to make this is the pass I'm supposed to make, so they make that pass when you clearly know that that pass is not going through. Yeah, right, and you know, but that's what they're programmed to do. And you think sometimes you know what I'd like to see them pull a gil fleur, like you know, and I love this.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, this the quote that steve shutt said about the fleur yeah, which was you know, he goes, like, you know, let me go, he goes. Well, I, I don't. I don't know what I'm gonna do. Yeah, how can I? You know what I mean. So how can the opponent know what I'm going to do? Yeah, you know what I mean. So how can the opponent know what you're going to do when you don't know what you're going to do? Yeah, because he was just a creative, reactive player with so much talent. Yeah, and I'm not seeing that in that series. And even McDavid, who is fucking amazing. And even McDavid, who is fucking amazing. It doesn't seem to be as Guillaume Fleurish as I'd like it to be.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, it's an interesting point. It is the lesser of the two series right now, I think, in terms of overall quality of play in respect to just you're on the edge of your seat, I mean, when you're watching Florida, new York, it's like every shift something's happening, yeah, and in Dallas and Edmonton it's become a series of periods. Somebody goes up two goals, somebody goes up three goals. They blow the lead. They blow the lead and the goals aren't necessarily great goals. I mean McDavid's double OT winner was a nice play by Bouchard, get the pass over to him. But the fact that the play that McDavid missed on in the first overtime, it'll be a head scratcher forever how he didn't just elevate that thing and flip it over. But Ottinger is just unbelievable. Look, at the end of the day, mcdavid on the on the score sheet has got another two or three points. So oh yeah, no, you know, and I'm not like here, he's not going through guys and I'm and I'm not seeing um they're checking him.
Speaker 2:Very well, I mean, look, that's, that's. Oh, they are checking.
Speaker 2:I was on national tv before the playoff cbc and they asked me who I thought was national TV before the playoffs. Cbc, and they asked me who I thought was going to win the cup. And I picked the Dallas Stars. And then the next day Vegas announced that Mark Stone and Petrangelo were playing game one. I went, no, and then they won the first two games and I went, oh, this is over. And really since then Dallas has been rolling. You know they've been rolling. Now you say, but the other night they go in that quick two, nothing lead. And then Edmonton are the ones who come back and you look at the goals to your point. Maybe what you're talking about. Pucks are bouncing off guys at the side of the net. You know Hyman's just standing there. It hits them. I mean, these types of goals are going in there and and it's it's. It has, it's a different feel. Yeah, the series has a different feel, but I do think now, who do you like as players in that series like?
Speaker 2:everybody. Uh, well, there's so many guys that that I that I like, I mean rupe hints. Uh, you know these guys, some of these guys that most people don't know? Uh, verhage, that's flor, of course, but I mean I'm bouncing, but you're talking Dallas Edmonds. Look, I'm a massive McDavid fan. Every time he takes the puck up the ice, comes through the neutral zone, I'm hoping, praying, he does something magical with it. But really, right now, if you had to pick in the two series Two players, well, the Ranger Florida one this isn't a huge surprise. Lafreniere has been probably next to the goaltending, has been the guy.
Speaker 1:The best player, yeah.
Speaker 2:And isn't this something, chris to say?
Speaker 1:He was so criticized.
Speaker 2:So criticized, yeah, first overall, despite what he did for Canada in the World Juniors. He wasn't even supposed to play in that gold medal game, either him or Barry Hayden. They told him you and I talked about this. They told their parents, they told their agents, they told everybody we're playing. And we were down 3-1 with 10 minutes to go and we came back and beat them and Lafreniere was unfreaking, believable. And now he is again. Look at that goal the other night.
Speaker 2:So let me ask you this and then I got my guy in the. You're not going to believe what I'm going to say.
Speaker 1:Okay, well, just hold on, Just laugh on your. I got to say there are guys who are just fucking clutch guys, right, yeah, who when the pressure's on, when you need them, they fucking everything that they have comes out. Yeah, and you know what? I think that's him Because in the regular season he was getting a lot of grief and he's getting a lot of things because he's not doing it. But you know what? He's elevated his game and you know what? Is it possible that he needs that type of intensity, or a couple of years maybe.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, or a couple of years, instead of being written off off. Right right, boy, he's a bum, yeah, but you know what, like you say, we're quitting byfield well pretty damn good for la in the last six months I'll tell you what you cannot say, that his play has not been like you know.
Speaker 2:You said, and I agree, he's the best player for the new york rangers right now I think he has been, because, uh, they need a whole lot more If they're going to beat Florida and I still believe they will. You think so I do. Really, I'm pulling for Florida, truth be told, in the series. I'd like to see them back in the final. I'd like to see Paul Maurice. I wouldn't have a problem with Florida winning the Stanley Cup. I used to interview Paul Maurice and he gave me the greatest interviews. He was so much fun to put a microphone in front of and I'm a fan of the guy and I'm a fan of a lot of guys on that team and that organization. I'm a fan of Bill Zito. I think he's done an outstanding job.
Speaker 2:Like you, you take general managers who just roll up their sleeves and then you turn around and look at Edmonton, look what Knobloch's done as a coach with the Edmonton Oilers. Like Chris, and look at the last series inserting Pickard. He takes Skinner out and you go I'm gonna put in a 32 year old who's never played in the playoffs. Like, yeah, you could. You could absolutely be waving bye-bye to your coaching career. What does he do? Last night he makes three, three lineup changes yeah, three lineup changes. Well, and puts in McLeod and Perry, and and they score. Yeah, mcleod scores and Perry gets the primary changes. Well, and puts in mcleod and perry, and, and they score.
Speaker 1:Yeah, mcleod scores and perry gets the primary assist well, and, and one of the things they were talking.
Speaker 2:Oh, they gotta get the change on d you take day harney out, for god's sake. You know, got the wingspan of a condor. He's your biggest guy, your most physical guy. You take, you take, you take him out. I mean you got to give knob block credit. But my guy on Edmonton, yeah, I mean I love McDavid and Dreisaitl's, got 10 goals and you know Hyman's Hyman, but I'm loving what Connor Brown's doing.
Speaker 1:Man, I'm loving what Connor Brown's doing. Is that because of the local?
Speaker 2:connection. Well, why not? Why not? He came to Ottawa here and got the sweetheart contract. They? They're the ones who pumped his tires and gave him the money and then sent him out of Dodge. He can't score to save his life. He doesn't have a shot going through a piece of balsa wood. But the guy can set up like there's no tomorrow.
Speaker 1:Outstanding junior.
Speaker 2:Reunited with Connor McDavid and reunited with his junior coach and, yeah, that was an unbelievable pass, Chris. They have not been scored on. As we tape this on the power play 22 consecutive power plays since Edmonton gave up a power play goal and that's what won them that game the other night.
Speaker 1:Yes, for sure.
Speaker 2:It was a shorty, and then the dry sidles came. What? 51 seconds later?
Speaker 1:Which was only six seconds after the penalty had run out. That's right, so you could almost make the case. It was almost a shorty Almost a shorty. It was almost a shorty, almost a shorty, it was almost two shorties.
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah, I just love what he's doing and he's on a mini little three-game points streak here right now. I'm a big fan of the guy and it's tough when you see guys go to the show and they struggle like that. They can't score. Saw the goal he scored this year.
Speaker 1:You know year, you know you saw the ovation, the amatone.
Speaker 2:I think we talked about.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, that was his first goal in like for like, yeah, like 17 years. Yeah, it was a long time, man.
Speaker 2:I mean we're talking back to. Uh reminds me of larry zeidel and sandy huckle and those guys who went 17 years between playing in the nhl. Uh, you know it's, it's uh. Well, it's 15, I guess, technically, but it's 52 to 67. However, I digress. You guys know those guys but uh, we all know them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, anyway, I'm a big Connor Brown fan. I'm loving what's going on there. Lafreniere is a little easier to pigeonhole in and he did have a good regular season. Like he's turned his, his game is starting to reflect where he was drafted and even then you know, like he was projected maybe top six, right, like certainly top nine. Maybe he'd he'd, you know he'd he'd he'd tap out at top six. I'll tell you where he's going right now.
Speaker 2:Who doesn't, who doesn't say the future's incredibly bright for him and I love it if you're gonna put on our flag and you go out at any time. That's why I would never, ever crap on a guy like lindros or some others who have taken heat for all sorts of different reasons every single time they were asked to represent our country, chris, they did every single time, and that's always going to resonate with me. So, so, uh, lafreniere, right now, buddy, I'm cheering you on, although I'd like Florida to win for other reasons, but, uh, and I'm cheering on Connor Brown.
Speaker 1:Good for you you know who I'm impressed with as well. Old guy on Dallas Kowalski.
Speaker 2:Kowalski, there's a guy who you know what his? Oh, here's a guy.
Speaker 1:He's got to be winning 70 of his draws I don't know what his draw stats are. I don't know, I don't know what they are, but he is.
Speaker 2:He is fucking dominating in that circle he reminds me of brian trache with the pittsburgh penguins yeah, not the islanders brian trache.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, the pittsburgh penguins, because pavelsky made his hay with the san josearks for 9 billion years. As we all know. They got to that one final. Him and Joe were the straws that stirred the drink. You got big Brent Burns on the back end and they had a nice little team, good goaltending, well coached, and just weren't able to get over the hump. Sound familiar at all, maybe, to the local team here in Ottawa.
Speaker 1:Well, you know what, here at all, maybe to the local team here in ottawa. Well, you know what I will say that, um, I don't think I this is not gonna, I'm not gonna be liked for saying this I don't think that the ottawa senators have had the character yeah, yeah, uh, that they, that I, that they, they need a lot of times. And when you talk about guys like Joe Thornton and Brett Burns and Pawlowski and the way they played back then, but even the way they are playing now in their I mean, joe's not playing anymore, but you know what, I think the only guy we ever had who had that kind of character was Alfie.
Speaker 2:Alfie was an exceptional character guy. There's no doubt about it. I don't know of anybody else.
Speaker 1:If you look through our roster, can you pick those three guys?
Speaker 2:who were Ottawa's team. Well, obviously, chris, neal. Okay, yeah. But he's not on the same level no, he's not going to give you the the offensive push that you need, but but his character is beyond reproach. Right, there's no question about that.
Speaker 2:I would agree with that the thing that, in my, in my opinion, they, the sands went to the finals in 07 and, as we know, they regressed and and they, they were starting to get it together. I thought them the ottawa senatorsators and the Boston Bruins were the two toughest teams in the league for about two years, 12-13. In fact, a bench brawl would have been absolutely just delicious. But you know, when they had Thornton and Chera and Lucic and Ottawa had Matt Karkner and Chris Neal and Zena Konopka and Zach Smith, like Ottawa could play it any way you wanted and the nucleus was there.
Speaker 1:I would have put Pajot against Chera.
Speaker 2:As what his Q-tip. That's the matchup.
Speaker 1:That's the matchup In the fight. Grab him, whatever you. You know, pajot, you've got to grab Chera by the pants. Exactly, you go to grab Cher by the pants, exactly, you go and hug him and then tie him up, because that way, because Cher is not going to hurt that little guy, I wish that Senator team could have got over the hump a little bit, because I really thought they had the ingredients there to maybe make some noise, but they just didn't have enough scoring.
Speaker 2:You know, at the end of the day and you know, for example, despite Matt Karkner as we had that fantastic interview with him and that great 39 second shift they lost that series. And you know, if you can win series like that, you can do some things that are special within a group, and they weren't able to do that. San Jose got to one final. The Ottawa team, a few years before, with a very, very, very good team, a very good team, uh, got to that one final in 07, and you know who, who knows if they had a one game two. Ultimately, at the end of the day, maybe you're losing six instead of five. So whatever, you know, it doesn't really matter.
Speaker 2:So your points well taken, because all we have to go on is the proof right is how it went down, and this is all Carolina had to go on is. The proof Right Is how it went down, and this is all Carolina had to go on right now. They're a very pretty team and they play with tremendous poise and acumen and hockey ability, but, the end of the day, I don't think they've ever had a makeup of a team that's necessarily all of the ingredients that are required to win in the playoffs, despite how often they push a series Deep six games games, seven games, overtime games, as you alluded to, and things of that nature. Now Donnie Waddell jumps ship and goes to Columbus well, there's what the hell.
Speaker 2:I mean, I know there's obviously something behind the scenes going on. I get that and then you re-up, brought Brindamore for 9,000 years. It's such a bizarre scenario, what's going on there. So here's.
Speaker 1:Here's the thing. The thought is Brindamore is going to move into that GM role down the line right and so they're seeing him as the future and so that's why they're locking it in and saying listen, I'm making a commitment to you now. You're not there now, but in two years you know what I mean You're going to move up to the other. The other office could be could be, that's just you know now. That being said, fuck, I would love a guy like rod brindamore to be in ottawa.
Speaker 2:I mean, he's a local guy well, that's what I wrote, right I mean, did you say that? Yeah, I, I. I wrote, rather than jumping the gun on travis green, that you know that wait, wait for the inevitable loss of Carolina and the, the splitting the, the parting of ways between Carolina and Rod, brindamore and then Ottawa go after. You didn't get Berube, but you know Brindamore's got Ottawa ties, he's got connections and yeah, there's some ties like he's Cardinal right no, no, that's Todd Gill.
Speaker 1:Okay, well, who's Brindamore's from here? Yeah, he's from that area. I thought it was.
Speaker 2:No, I didn't think it was there, but you may be right, but I don't believe it's Cardinal. But maybe it's another area that I'm not familiar with.
Speaker 1:I'm not sure. No, no, it doesn't really matter.
Speaker 2:I want to know when Ronnie Ellis played in the cradle league in the 1950s.
Speaker 1:Anyway, okay, I don't know.
Speaker 2:We've been together since Ronnie passed away. You know. That's condolences to the?
Speaker 1:I don't think we have. You know what my dad liked?
Speaker 2:Ron Ellis how did he not like him. You know what I mean he's an incredibly. He was an incredibly likable man.
Speaker 1:He was an incredibly likable man. He was uh well, but he had a falling out, though, right with the. Didn't he have a?
Speaker 2:falling out with uh, uh. My mind is gone.
Speaker 1:Oh my god, with ballard, uh, I mean, he was loyal, but I didn't he leave, like didn't he retire he did, but he prematurely.
Speaker 2:But what a lot of people don't know is ron ellis came when he came out of retirement and then he had the helmet on. It was kind of a funny I don't know. Then he had the helmet on. It was kind of funny, I don't know was that a wind, well, or whatever it was, it was kind of a funny bucket.
Speaker 2:But when he came out of retirement he was coaxed out of retirement to play for Canada in the World Championships in 1977. And he was told that by him joining the team it might help facilitate Canada being able to get some guys who had just been beat out of the playoffs. You know it's always a tough ask. You got to fly overseas European and especially in those days we're still fresh with 72 and it was not a lot of love, right, right. And we had very few European played none playing in the NHL at that time.
Speaker 2:So, but Ronnie going, a lot of other guys then decided to go as well. You know, like your Marcel Dion's and later Mike Gartner's and these guys who either never made the playoffs or got beat out very early, and they would go over and play in the worlds. And Ronnie Ellis started a lot of that and the reason we went was a trade-off by us agreeing to start playing again in 77, the Russians agreed to participate in the 76 Canadaada cup. Like you couldn't have a canada cup without the russians at that time, you certainly would. You know it's sad that we still don't have them back, but everyone understands why it's political.
Speaker 1:I get it but I mean, you know what?
Speaker 2:and I'm gonna say this yeah, I know it's stupid, you said it already and and I agree with you at this point. Now, what are you doing? I mean, come on, but in 76 it was, it would have been unthinkable. And and uh, so they agreed to play. Because canada agreed to play in 77, canada said how are we going to get a team? Let's ask ronnie ellis to come out of retirement. So ronnie came out of retirement and then he went back to the leafs and him and harold were okay, so he didn't have the falling out that, uh, henderson and um and dave keon did, and and then later, daryl sitt Sittler. You know, primarily those ones were absolutely that was heartbreaking actually.
Speaker 2:I was in Toronto in 81 when those trades were going on and they were picketing at Maple Leaf Guards. I mean it wasn't the Richard Riot, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 1:No, no, no.
Speaker 2:But at the same time I mean Leaf fans you've had so many different levels of know different different levels of of things to be upset about in your, in your long and storied history of failure and uh, that that certainly rises to the top of any list. There's no doubt about it. But no, in Ronnie's case.
Speaker 1:He didn't have that. Okay, he didn't have that because I know that, like, as I remember him, like having retired I, what which came up as almost prematurely, yeah, and then okay, so I didn't, you know, I don't know. What were you wearing that day? Which one? Just tell me which day, I'll tell you All right. Do we have anything else that we should talk about?
Speaker 2:I don't think so. I just want to give a shout out to Hosey and Brown. Oh yes, you know they continue to support us and they were so, so instrumental in our every day. As we go by, we loom larger. Our trip to Ireland looms larger on the horizon here. So you know, we would not have been able to do that. I've had more people come up to me in the last month talking about some variation of our pool and the fact that we had a winner who's going for free in the last month, chris, than over the course of the season.
Speaker 1:Really.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I was just asked by somebody. Today I was at the garden center because I was doing yard work right, I was at the garden center.
Speaker 1:I was doing yard work, right. So I was at the garden center and someone came up to me and was talking to me and it's not a person that I knew really well, but I knew them right. So, whatever happened with that pool, I said, oh well, and I told them who won it. You know what I mean. So have you gone? So, while we're going, I mean and I really and literally of the group you know, we have a group of guys that are going. Okay, I could probably sell out another whole 16 guys. That type of interest. Oh, it's crazy. Yeah, awesome. Now I will say for the record, we're gonna do another trip in the spring. Okay, I'm doing another trip in the spring to accommodate some of those things, and then the fall trip is going to include the Republic of Ireland.
Speaker 2:Yes, okay.
Speaker 1:Yes, so we're going to be we're going to the town of Kong 100%. Well, we'll stop, we'll drive through. There's fuck all there, liam. No no there is yeah. What, what? There's one statue? No, there's a pub. Okay, a pub we're going to go in. No, no, there is yeah what?
Speaker 2:There's one statue, no, there's a pub. Okay, a pub we're going to go in, we're going to go to the pub.
Speaker 1:Okay, we're going to have lunch there.
Speaker 2:We're going to have lunch, okay, yeah, I'm going to drink there.
Speaker 1:I'm going to drink right where that I'm going to go in there. It's right where Victor McLaughlin is. By the way, I've got some McLaughlins in the family, so, anyways, those are the guys, two guys. You've got to love the McLaughlin guys.
Speaker 2:Two good Canadian kids. Actually they're not.
Speaker 1:One's Irish, one's American. You know what I'm saying. But you know, the only European player to play in the NHL was from Ireland. You know who that?
Speaker 2:was. Well, there's, there's several, oh are there?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I thought I thought there was only one. Yeah, no, okay, who's the? Who was the?
Speaker 2:first, they're the first guy ever from Ireland, now including Ireland to North, I'm sure. Yeah, yeah, I gotta get. Yeah, I believe was want to say was Jimmy McFadden, who won the college trophy in 48, was from Northern Ireland. I think you had George Kirk and then you had Sid Finney who was from Breckenridge. So there's three. There's three. Yeah, I knew none of them, uh obviously Owen.
Speaker 1:Nolan, nolan is the one that most people know in other Northern Ireland, Ted Nolan not Irish.
Speaker 2:No, no.
Speaker 1:Owen Nolan yes, ted Nolan no.
Speaker 2:But yeah, our trip the next year, as you alluded to, we will be dancing in the Republic and we're going to Con.
Speaker 1:I've got some, by the way. When the Quiet man was filmed, longest two-man fight sequence, in're going to Con. I've got some, by the way, because of that.
Speaker 2:Where the Quiet man was filmed Longest two-man fight sequence in movie history, I think.
Speaker 1:I've heard that, by the way, because of that travel plan right. Yeah, I've got some really fucking great courses Fucking cannot wait to drink at every one of them.
Speaker 1:It's what drinking at all the courses? Yes, yeah, so so, by the way, when we go to northern ireland, one of the things is that everybody walks like that. Nobody takes carts right, which is going to be almost it's going to be like an antiseptic on a on an open wound for liam, because he's like like he's got to figure out some way to carry his booze. That's right, your beer. That's why you've got to drink whiskey, like me. It's easy.
Speaker 2:Well, I will then Okay, but I mean surprisingly. When I went with our first group from Rideau View in 2011, I was told exactly that. And then we were there three years later, 2014, both extensive golf trips, multiple, multiple games of golf and was told there was no carts. And yet there I was, in every second course with a cart.
Speaker 1:Well, they will allow people and you have a way to talk people into things. Well, you know you can do that, you can do that, anyway, that's the thing. So I'm excited for it. I'm excited for that whole thing to happen this September, but also I'm excited for the new hockey pool, the new yeah. And I can't announce yet, because we haven't confirmed with Hosey and Brown whether or not.
Speaker 2:No, we haven't yet. We haven't confirmed that, but Huge thanks to Rod and Hosey's for what they did for us this year. Every single time we tape, we've got to give them a shout out, don't we? Uh? Well, I think so. I think we do, absolutely. Yeah. Anyway, I wanted to make sure we did that. Yeah, and you know what?
Speaker 1:and I will say for one final time because, like, essentially it's over. Yeah, is that? Uh, uh. I would like to thank the Gibb Patterson group of golf courses 100%. For allowing us to do offside. Sorry, what was that?
Speaker 2:Shooting the Shot. Yeah, shooting the shot with Haas McGuire. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm McGuire Right, so we want to thank him for that. Yeah, gibb, wasn't that a?
Speaker 2:great breakfast with him that morning.
Speaker 1:It was a great breakfast. It was a great breakfast.
Speaker 2:We had a great breakfast with him that morning. It was a great breakfast. It was a great breakfast. We had a great breakfast. Chris and I and Gibb and I go back 40 years with Gibb. He's one of the most legendary farmers in this entire region. He's done very well. He owns the three courses, as he alluded to Chris, and he's very generous with us. We went to Florida because of him, because of his business, and we got those six interviews and I'm so proud of the work we did and all the driving you did. I mean I tell people we went to florida, oh, you did this, you did that. I said actually we spent most of the time on the highways going there and back different places yeah, in the proper lane, I might fucking point out.
Speaker 2:He's the worst. He's a left lane parker.
Speaker 1:Folks, I'm not kidding you, I was driving faster than everybody else. No, no, a couple of times.
Speaker 2:He missed a key part of driving school when he was 16 years old. When I drive with him, I will show him the correct way to do it, oh my God.
Speaker 1:And then?
Speaker 2:he'll know Whether he chooses to accept it or not. It's another story, but I will show him the correct way to drive Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1:Okay, you know what, fucking okay, you know what I'm not knowing.
Speaker 2:I'm down to my last mouthful, so you know what that means it means that we're saying goodbye, uh.
Speaker 1:Thank you for watching uh offside with Haas and McGuire. Me being Haas, I'm McGuire. Good day, all right.
