Offside with Hawes and Maguire
Offside: with Hawes and Maguire is not your typical hockey show. This weekly
45-60 minute show is a potent combination of humour and genuine hockey insights that pushes the envelope.
- Liam is renowned for his photographic memory, lively storytelling, vast hockey knowledge and sometimes over-the-top passion for the game of hockey.
- Chris is known for his unrehearsed humour, contagious laughter and uncanny ability to make even the most serious debates end in boisterous guffaws.
Between the two, there is an infectious enthusiasm and professional chemistry that is evident from the outset. It can only be described as lightning in a bottle.
Offside with Hawes and Maguire
Elbows Up? Keep your HEAD UP! : Hockey Talk and Social Commentary
When hockey talk meets social commentary, you get the authentic, unfiltered perspectives that make Offside with Hawes and Maguire so compelling. Our hosts reconnect after their recent travels with a passionate deep-dive into the hockey world's most talked-about topics.
The conversation kicks off with a celebration of the Hosie and Brown Hockey Pool champion who used an algorithm to draft his winning team—proving once again that in sports, analytics sometimes trump gut feelings. This transitions into a fiery debate about Alexander Ovechkin's record-breaking goal chase and whether historical context matters when comparing eras. Should modern overtime rules and scoring conditions affect how we view these achievements compared to Gretzky's era? The hosts don't hold back their opinions.
The Calder Trophy race receives thorough examination, with Lane Hudson emerging as the clear frontrunner despite strong competition from Macklin Celebrini. Their analysis goes beyond statistics to consider team situations and historical precedents for rookie defensemen who transformed struggling franchises.
Things take an unexpected turn when the conversation shifts to beloved Ottawa institution The Prescott Hotel, famous for its square pizza and meatball subs. This nostalgia trip evolves into passionate advocacy for cash payments and economic inclusivity, showcasing how hockey conversations naturally flow into deeper social observations.
The episode concludes with This Day in Hockey History brought to you by Shoeless Joes, and a fascinating look back at Ottawa's last Stanley Cup victory in 1927—a dramatic win over Boston that featured both heroic performances and a post-game brawl that resulted in a lifetime suspension. Almost a century later, could today's Senators finally be building toward something special?
Whether you're a stats junkie, history buff, or just love authentic hockey talk with personality, this episode delivers the perfect blend of analysis, storytelling, and unvarnished opinion. Share your thoughts with us online—we'd love to hear your take on these hockey debates!
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Speaker 2:I'm haas, I'm mcguire crisis been a long time it seems like forever since I've had a drink.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that would be hours.
Speaker 1:Let me check my watch. Yeah, so Liam was late today because he was at church, that's right. And I thought, christ, I didn't know.
Speaker 2:It was because it was Palm Sunday. Yeah, it's the longest day at church, so here's the thing. I'm always the third people on the right at the back.
Speaker 1:Right, here's what I was thinking. I thought maybe they were actually sharing the sacramental wine and that was why you were showing up. It was.
Speaker 2:You know, I have to admit, I'm a horrible Catholic. Yeah, I'm not much better.
Speaker 1:You know I have to admit I'm a horrible Catholic. Yeah, I'm not much better, you know. I have. You know, and I and it's very much a part of who I am right Grew up like the whole thing. Same thing, same. You know what it's. Just I started worshipping this thing on Sunday mornings. Yeah, Called Tim Bits Hockey.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know you start by your, so I can't go to church because this I've got doing hockey sunday mornings, all that stuff. The next thing you know okay, once the bail starts, once you start bailing, yeah, yeah, once, once. It's no longer your routine.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're no longer you know, for me it was working at read of you right. Well, did that happen as a kid in the summers once? I got promoted to the back shop. You had Sunday shifts. The weekend shifts were the biggest shifts and I just said, dad, I got to go to work.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you got to go to work and you know what, and the Lord knows that's right that you're doing God's work. The Lord knows You're doing God's work. So on that topic, of.
Speaker 1:God's work okay and best of luck and all these things. We have this hockey pool that we're doing, the Jose and Brown okay which, by the way, I know I often sound like I'm saying Jose Brown. I guess, because I've been down in Arizona so often, I thought he was like a Spanish guy, Jose Brown. But Jose and Brown, the hockey pool, it's you know what. I don't want to jinx everything, but it's all but done. I mean, the season's all but done, yeah, everybody's down in the last two, three weeks and it got close, it got within 30 points of each other, yeah, but as it turns out, it appears as though Adel is going to win the hockey pool which, for this year is… it's fantastic Now.
Speaker 2:You knew him before. Right, I knew him. I met him through you when we went on the trip.
Speaker 1:That's right, and Adel worked with my brother 40 years ago Right At Nortel, beginning that whole Nortel… the 80s and the 90s were magical. Yeah, it was amazing. We look at our city now and it is really sad. I find it really sad what our city's become, because it was so vibrant with entrepreneurialism, with technology. We led the world and we let it go and so to that end that's sad, but that's where a lot of guys that I know these guys became CEOs of companies and chief technology officers in the case of Adel, of major companies yeah and uh, and he picked this team while we were in ireland.
Speaker 1:Do you remember that? Well vaguely so. So we're on the bus and he's saying, well, I'm just gonna, I'm going through and I'm picking my teeth, and I was like, okay, and and and and the thing is, is adil's? Uh, like he, he's hyper-intelligent, like it's just, you know what I mean. And so and he said, oh no, I see what I've done and I've got this factored in and this, oh, I remember him saying he had it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he was building an algorithm, yeah, yeah, and all this stuff, and I was like, oh, like you know, well, didn't the thing take? I mean, it works, folks, it worked, it worked. He did this. It was the very like it was while we were in Ireland. He picked this thing and he stuck with it and he built it based on his and and I will say that his son followed a similar route and his son's in the top five too.
Speaker 1:yeah, okay, so, as a result in the pudding the proof is in the pudding, so it does work. I mean, he had to build this and and figure it out, but it it darn well worked, uh. But number two is my buddy, jerry. Yeah, okay, and Jerry, uh, he just did it old-fashioned, old-school picking and not hammered. Well, I, you know he could have. I I'm not sure if he did. You know, I can't, I don't want to spread rumors, but I know that. Anyway, he came very close second and had a great run.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And had a couple of early injuries. That kind of annoyed him Getting things. The trades and stuff like that are confusing for people. Yeah, and you know what? I can't make it easier because I don't own the program right?
Speaker 2:no, it's you know, and I don't make any, I just let it kind of lie as it goes, you know.
Speaker 1:I see that you can tell. Yeah, yeah, you can tell yeah, 24th all year.
Speaker 2:I think I got up to 22nd. It's the highest I ever was, yeah.
Speaker 1:I was up to 11 at one point, uh, but I, uh, I finished in 14th, yeah, so, that being said, adel, and he's probably going to take his son with him, perfect. So Adel is off to Prince Edward Island Beautiful With Club EG Golf.
Speaker 2:So he's a confirmed winner right now. Well, okay, it'll take a miracle to catch him.
Speaker 1:Let's put it this way I've booked the ticket. It would take a miracle, okay, but I've booked it because I want to make sure that they can go. And everybody knows that I do my own golf trips, but I do them to Ireland right golf trips, but I do them to Ireland right. And so I'm partnering with Club EG who, by the way you know, get a member to travel, play all the different courses in Ottawa, but I partner with them to provide the prize here in Canada. And I have friends who went on this trip and I'm not just doing it blindly, I have not gone on their trip to, uh, to PEI, but I have friends who went last year, yeah, and they had a good time so do we know what course they're?
Speaker 1:playing. Yeah, yeah, they're playing. Gonna play crowbush.
Speaker 2:They're gonna be brood now um and maybe, or as well or brood now done a rave kind of a brother courses.
Speaker 1:So there's those three for sure, to be honest with you, because I didn't make the itinerary and I don't know this, I'm just hooking them up type thing, and I'm counting on the Club EG folks to know what they're doing, which I believe they've done this before, so I'm not concerned to know what they're doing, which I believe they've done this before, so I'm not concerned. So big hats off to Club EG for hosting the winners of our hockey pool, which, at this point, with a week left not even a week left really it will be Adel, yeah, okay, and the reason I'm not using last names is because I don't want some crazy stalker out there going to his house. Yeah, because it happens Really. Well, you know I have my stalker. No, you didn't know that. No, oh yeah, speaking of which, which you don't care because you like stalkers, absolutely Okay, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Let's go yeah.
Speaker 1:Liam goes wow, it's not really a stalker, it's more like my buddy right.
Speaker 2:I call him a header. Yeah, that's right, that's one of the headers. They look like stalkers.
Speaker 1:Some of them do. Some of them do. Okay, so you were traveling too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, you've been on the road, holy cow.
Speaker 1:I've been around, we've both been out. Yeah, but you were traveling for hockey. Holy cow, I've been around.
Speaker 2:We've both been out, yeah, wow.
Speaker 1:But you were traveling for hockey, yeah, and I was traveling for golf, yeah, cool, yeah, it's great. You know it was very good. Yeah, I'm sure both of us had productive things. Let's move on While I was gone. Yeah, so this young fella, the Irish-Russian Ovechkin.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, he did well. I laughed when I saw that he did well he did.
Speaker 1:He got her done, he did. But you know what I?
Speaker 2:still think there needs to be an asterisk beside there because of all the overtime goals.
Speaker 1:Well, you can't, you can't Well you can.
Speaker 2:Well, you could, but they're not going to. Nor should they. It's an interesting thought. You'd be in the minority on that At the end of the day, whether you're in the minority.
Speaker 1:That's the first time I'm in the minority.
Speaker 2:Well, no me. Neither have you been to.
Speaker 1:Barhaven lately.
Speaker 2:Yeah, try going to Brampton. I mean, Joe Malone scored 44 goals in 20 games the first season in the NHL. So let's just say the NHL had been 80 games back then.
Speaker 1:Right, I mean it just Gretzky still would have broke his record.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yes, because you know, it's all. There was somebody interviewing Wayne. He did a thousand interviews, much like Ovi has since, right before and right after he passed. And this guy was interviewing Wayne and actually, no, it was Rick Bonus of all people, that's who it was. Oh, a Senator's first coach. Rick does some Hockey Night in Canada stuff and was saying to Wayne about how difficult it is to play today compared to Wayne's day and everything. And Rick, of course, played in the 70s and he's saying that to Wayne. Even I found that a little bit unusual. And then Wayne, you know, he stood up for himself a little bit and said well, you know, we had a red line. I never got a chance to play three-on-three OT and I sure would have liked to have had a chance to start every power play in the offensive zone and pick the side that we're taking the draw on.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Like, I'm going to do a statistical analysis just for fun it's really just to piss off the OV fans who have gone to another level and I don't know where it's all going to come out. But I will do something very statistically prorated, sort of a combination of numbers versus errors and whatnot. Because here's one thing, chris, that's undeniable, that is interchangeable between the errors, and that is goals per game. Yeah, okay, goals per game in the 80s versus the 20s, versus the dead puck era versus now. There's a number, there's a finite number, and the number right now in for 24 25 is going to come in. Probably 6.1. 2425 is going to come in, probably 6.1, maybe might, because it's just been crazy the last week how many goals 6.1 combined goals per game per team.
Speaker 1:So six goals in a game, in a game, okay, six goals in a game is is the average right versus the heyday, the heyday in gretzky's age was 6.8.
Speaker 2:So the highest it ever was, which was I believe 84,. 85, was 6.8.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Okay. So if you take that .7 times now 82 games, so you can see it's another 56, 58 goals, 59, 60 goals. What percentage of points or goals would Ovi get on those? And you could give him x number of more goals had he played in that era. However, then you have to factor in the no red line and the three on three OT and that's he had two overtime goals.
Speaker 2:Playing five on five overtime okay, right, he never even played four on four, right, he played five on five. Ovi Okay, right, he never even played four on four, right, he played five on five. Ovi's got 27 overtime goals yeah, regular season overtime goals yeah. And you know, the empty net's kind of a wash Wayne is 56. Ovi's up to like 65.
Speaker 1:Yeah, empty net's an empty net, and that happens. He's got nine more.
Speaker 2:At the end of an asterisk is because the way the nhl has always run it no matter, and this the nhl has been around since 1917 and this has gone through all the multiple regimes. Who's ever got the highest numbers? It's got the records.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's as simple but, that being said, when you, I mean there should be a note, but when you go and you when you, when I, when I someday go into the Hockey Hall of Fame and see Ovechkin there and Trechak not Henderson, by the way- yeah.
Speaker 1:Anyways, I'm on your side, right, you know that, I know you are Okay, so, but I go in there and I see, okay, the highest scorer of all time. There really needs to be an explanation that, okay. Okay, wayne Gretzky did it. You know these were the differences in the rules and your statistical analysis should be put below that to say what it would have translated into vice versa. Now, of course, that's only computer modeling. You know that computer, okay, but it's only computer modeling to see what it is, because not, but it gives people, especially in the future, right, a something to actually okay, yes, I get it okay. And you're talking about joe malone and you say, okay, well, what would have been in, like you know, with joe malone, like you know, you could, you could say, okay, the difference in so many things, barely hockey really compared to today.
Speaker 2:Right, it's just such a difference. However, it was on a sheet of ice, yeah you had to skate up and score in a net and he had.
Speaker 2:He had pints after and he had pints after. Absolutely, his nickname was phantom joe. He was the first superstar really in the nhl and, and, uh, he carried over from the previous league, the nha national hockey association. Cyclone taylor was out west, joe malone was in the east. They were the two best players in canada and that's just the way it was. But, like, ov missed his whole rookie season, right, the nhl was shut down, right, so he lost a rookie season. Uh, they, they each had one lockout wayne had the 95 lockout, ov had the 2013 lockout.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know, there's, there's anomalies on both sides. Yeah, the rules, everything else. I'll do analysis and see, just for fun, just to show that Wayne, in fact, um, you know, deserves all, still all the accolades from doing what he did versus his peers when he did it, and Ovi does as well. Listen, chris, at the end of the day, my own opinion. We can move on if you want, but at the end of the day, alexander Ovechkin is the greatest goal scorer in NHL history. He's the greatest career goal scorer in NHL history. Wayne still has 92. Wayne still has the combined, including playoffs.
Speaker 2:He has the playoff mark of 122 goals. He has a combined mark with 894 and 122. Ovi's still 50, 60 goals behind him in the overall and he's not getting there?
Speaker 2:I wouldn't think so, but he's got a year left in his contract. Who knows what if they what if they go through four rounds and win? The company scores 15, 16 more in the playoffs. Here he's already at, he's in. He's in the 70s, 71 or 2. It gets up to the mid 8. Whatever the point is is that. Could he yeah listen? Two years ago I never thought he would have done it well, listen, I I'm.
Speaker 1:what I'm going to do is I'm going to say that he will, because I'm admitting that I was wrong in the calling. Who was going to be in the East this year? I don't know. If you remember I said the Eastern final was going to be New York Rangers Florida Panthers.
Speaker 2:Yeah, vaguely, I'd forgotten all about that. To be honest with you, no, no.
Speaker 1:I thought the New York Rangers were going to be far, far more productive, and they have crashed and burned. Oh, it's been.
Speaker 2:They are what they are in the Eastcouver is in the west and what that is is a dysfunctional dressing room. And when you have a dysfunctional dressing room, even at this level, these multi-millionaires skating around on the ice that have all this talent, that should be doing better, just like vancouver did last year and just like the rangers have for the last bunch of years yeah and and for them, both these franchises, to implode, have imploded because of what's going on off the ice.
Speaker 2:There's, no, there's no doubt in my mind about that. Well, you look at Truba, when he got traded to Anaheim and his first few press conferences. If there wasn't, he was a captain, for God's sake.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And they shipped him out. Heart and soul guy fight the world uh, absolute beast back on the back end. I'm not saying he's, you know, maybe his game had regressed a little bit, but I just thought that was a shot across the bow, that there's some things going on and he alluded to it as well. Then you had the old JT Miller who ironically goes to New York, the old JT Miller and Peterson thing out in Vancouver, which is the tip of the iceberg too.
Speaker 2:There's other stuff allegedly that I've heard. Who knows, anyway, digress. But yeah, the rangers, I'd forgotten you called them. But uh, you may still be safe with florida because half their roster has been off for a month, so you know, they literally have been playing which is like starters that's.
Speaker 1:I think that's a kachuk thing which leads me into I'd see what I did there. That was my segue, nice into, into talking about.
Speaker 2:Ottawa. Very good, you see that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I used that jumping off point. This is where years of broadcasting experience, no, it's just Anyway. So the Ottawa Senators, they're in baby.
Speaker 2:Your team? Well, your new team. Yeah, you can't really talk about your old team.
Speaker 1:Okay, we'll discuss Boston on another date, another time. Yeah, you know what I mean. Whatever, another year, another year, but I am very happy with the Senators, of course, and you know what I always cheer for the Senators, no matter what Right, so I'm pretty excited about it. Yeah, you, so I'm pretty excited about it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know what You've got to be jacked. Well, not jacked. What are your thoughts about playing Toronto?
Speaker 1:My thoughts about playing Toronto. Yeah, honestly, I'm scared.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm scared Because I Fuck, I don't want to lose to Toronto. And it's not like the team. I like watching the team. I watched that game last night until I fell asleep before the end, but I was watching Montreal-Toronto Probably put you to sleep. Wow.
Speaker 2:That's probably the worst hockey game I've watched this year and I watch a lot.
Speaker 1:Well, let me say, as I said, I fell asleep. You know what it was bad. I can tell you honestly that you know it was Toronto-Montreal Of you, honestly that, um, you know it was Toronto, montreal, of course. Who am I going to cheer for Toronto, right? You fucker? No, you know what, honestly, I didn't really give a shit about about who won. I actually I did give a shit about who won the game. You know, I'd like to see Montreal make it. Okay, I really, I really would. So I on On that side, because the more Canadian teams we have, the more exciting the playoffs are for us.
Speaker 2:Even the Flames now are making a late rally here. It's crazy, they're still not out of it.
Speaker 1:I'm afraid of Toronto and the team. Again, I like the team, they're all great kids.
Speaker 2:Are you afraid of them or are you afraid of losing to them?
Speaker 1:I'm afraid of losing to them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you can't be afraid of them. Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, no. I'm afraid of losing to them. You're afraid of losing to them? Which could happen?
Speaker 1:It could happen.
Speaker 2:Obviously.
Speaker 1:Well, let's face it, they're going to win the. Atlantic for God's talent coming out their ass. You know what? Did they work their hardest last night? I don't think so.
Speaker 2:No, right no, did they ratchet up the game? Both teams looked like they came off of.
Speaker 1:Well, montreal came out hard first. I don't know if you remember in the first period they came out hard. Even in the beginning of the second period they came out hard. They had territorial play.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but they just couldn't get things. They couldn't get anything going, couldn't get any, couldn't get shots at net, couldn't get shots on net. Yeah, certainly had some territorial play and and, and they, they, they, I think their second power play. They possessed much like Toronto did later on, almost a full two minutes in the offensive zone but couldn't get anything done. But that was, uh really, until Goulet threw a couple hits and then Domi fought him. I mean, it was almost a no-hitter, unlike the game the night before against Ottawa.
Speaker 1:That was one shift. Eh, that was one shift.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then Domi went after him. But that Sens game on Friday night against Montreal was a playoff game. The way the Sens played it, yeah, and I think and Montreal just couldn't match it. It was men against boys, it was it. They just it was met against boys. It was over five minutes in down to nothing and sends us pretty much cruised from there.
Speaker 1:But it was, they were so physical, it was such a physical game well, let's, that's what they got to do against toronto and that's that's exactly it they have. Well, they got to play like their leader. Yeah, they got to play like their leader and, and you know what, knock on wood, you know they will. Uh, on wood, you know they will. So let's move on, because I don't want to talk about that anymore. Oh well, we kind of discussed this, because now the next step is to discuss well, is Montreal actually going to make it?
Speaker 2:There's only one team now left that could catch them.
Speaker 1:Which is? Which is Columbus, columbus, yeah.
Speaker 2:Everybody else now got eliminated yesterday. Okay, so the rangers, the islanders and detroit, uh all got eliminated yesterday really okay.
Speaker 1:See, I didn't haven't been up on that, but I was just, I was just in columbus, were you?
Speaker 2:yeah, yeah I like that city you know what?
Speaker 1:it's? A nice small city like. It's surprising.
Speaker 2:I mean, I've hardly ever been anywhere, just yeah, I mean it's.
Speaker 1:You know, it's a big, big city, but it's a small city compared to American size.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And it doesn't have Nice rink.
Speaker 2:Listen, it would be a disaster with a capital D for Montreal to miss. Right now they're up by five points with three games to go here. Well, montreal's got two and columbus has three. Columbus needs to win all three in regulation. Montreal needs to lose against chicago and carolina which is possible, right, it could happen absolutely lost their last two after winning six in a row. Um, you know, so it can happen. Montreal aren't world beaters by any means, but the odds are pretty good. It looks like the Habs are going to get in. They are the Cinderella story of the year. Let's be honest, yeah.
Speaker 1:Out of the 32 teams. There's nobody else. What do you? What do you think of their new, the new guy? Well, Demi Moore, Demi Moore. I'm calling him Demi Moore, Okay.
Speaker 2:Looks like he'd go to.
Speaker 1:Hollywood.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean An indecent proposal Looks like a million bucks, eh, yeah, well, no, an indecent proposal with Woody Harrelson, that's right. Robert Redford, that's right. Oh, it's such a good movie. It was a great movie. Yeah, it was great, man. You know that whole thing.
Speaker 1:I used to do this. It's derivative, such an old joke, but I fucking loved it yeah.
Speaker 2:So uh, so yeah. So Demi Moore on the Montreal Canadians yeah, he skated yesterday and obviously will skate again today. And they say allegedly he's going to play.
Speaker 1:Well, he's come right from the K. Right from the K, right from the K, so he's still in.
Speaker 2:He's in shape. Oh yeah, he's a kid, he's still in shape. He's 19 years old. He's literally a kid. Yeah, he will. Hopefully he'll throw him right up on that first unit and take Slavkovsky off it. I love the kid but he is.
Speaker 1:He is really having a hard time finding his way. For every two or three good shifts he has out there, he has seven or eight, so what? So let me ask you this who are you pulling out of that? You're taking Slavkovsky right out of the line.
Speaker 2:No, they'll. I was just referring to the power play in terms of who he'll replace up front. I mean the likely scenario is Posada, more than likely, or you know you could if it was me. Despite that, he's been pretty decent on the penalty kill. You're using Suzuki more in the penalty kill. You could sit Armia. You know you've got some things you can do up front and the back end. They need to figure out what to do with Savard because he has gone down into that next layer of speed called molasses and it's, it's.
Speaker 1:It is so discernible out there is it is it is it that he's gone?
Speaker 2:you know what it's like remember when you used to bike as a kid and sometimes the chain used to just come off and you were spinning your wheels, going nowhere yeah yeah, that's what he's like skating yeah like there was the slowest line in NHL history.
Speaker 2:Played for the Leafs in the late 70s. Okay, was I on it? No, you weren't. You would be faster than these guys right now. It was Jack Valliquette, tiger Williams and Dan Snowshoes Maloney. They were the slowest line in NHL history. They make Savard look like McDavid right now. History they make Savard look like McDavid right now. And and it it's. It's. That's how slow he is. It's terrible. And I know it's penalty kill. He gets down like the big beach whale, goes down on one knee, takes up all the room because he's two gajillion pounds and he just lies there like this and bucks just bounce off him and so he ends up with 20 block shots every game. His effectiveness you know the guy won a cup in Tampa. I don't want to like it's just he's been so freaking effective. But you need to have Jack Eye in the lineup in the playoffs.
Speaker 1:Get him in the lineup, demidoff you know what I'm going to say this? They're going to take out Pizzetta, but then you've got nobody. But then you've got nobody, but then you've got Jack Eye. He's got to play smart. He does play smart.
Speaker 2:He gets. There's so many people misread this guy because they're searching. It's like they're going around trying to get their radar, Like you're in the jet fighter and you're trying to lock their radar on. We have to have a whipping boy. We have to have a whipping boy. Where is he? Where is he there? He is jack guy. Oh, I had that one bad shift, a gasm, get him off, get him off, get him off like oh no, I I listen.
Speaker 1:That's not what I'm saying. I watch every second of every game. He needs to be in the lineup it's coming from a hardcore hab fan I'm telling you right now.
Speaker 2:he needs to be in the lineup in the playoffs and we'll see what Demidov does tomorrow night. Whenever people watch this we'll see what happens tomorrow night. It's going to be exciting. He's taking fifth overall and everybody already on a redo was saying that how does he not go at least second? I mean it's crazy. It's crazy. I mean he should have gone right behind Celebrini.
Speaker 1:Well, listen, that's what Damn it. You missed my. That was my opportunity to make that.
Speaker 2:I was giving you another segue, and I jumped in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you jumped into the segue.
Speaker 2:Oh, damn it.
Speaker 1:I better take a drink man, because I was going to say, speaking of Celebrini, okay, the Calder Trophy.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:The Calder Trophy.
Speaker 2:Are you on social media at all with any of this?
Speaker 1:Have you followed it? Well, you know what? Here's the thing the only thing I see on social media fuck is, like it's always like the political bullshit. Oh, I don't get to see enough of the stuff that I really enjoy, so I don't, you know, just because, like I want to shit disturb, yeah, and then I'll retract and then watch everybody get all whatever Okay.
Speaker 1:But no, I haven't seen it, but I can tell you what I think from my observations. Only yeah, okay, yeah, and I know that you like this Hudson kid. Okay, go ahead. It's hard not to.
Speaker 2:Right, he's going to win in a walk, so but go ahead to. He's going to win in a walk, go ahead.
Speaker 1:Tell me what you think. I think that it's unfortunate that Celebrini is with such a shit team, because if he had a little more around him, he would have shown far better. That's my opinion. I mean, listen, the guy's got incredible talent, as did Hudson, and I'm not taking anything away from him, but you know, what Hudson had Is he's got a supporting cast and a very supportive coach Right, whereas I don't know that that's the same scenario out west for Celebrini. That being said, I think you're right. I think it'll be hudson, but it'll be celebrating as a close second and number third.
Speaker 2:I still think it's going to be wolf maybe, yeah, him and mitch koff will split that vote, probably in three and four and and, uh, I'm not sure who will come in third, but yeah, but you're right, that's a good point, because they'll only take three to the awards. So when the voting which will be done, it's done the week after the regular season ends we find out about it at the end of June. They'll announce the three finalists. So it'll be interesting to see who the third finalist is, if Wolf has done enough to get ahead of Mitchkoff, who's kind of tailed off. He had kind of a sort of the mushy middle there, the flyer schedule. He did very well. In fact there were people championing him up there for the potential calder as well. Hudson's had the whole year. He's had the whole year. In fact he's got better each month well, he, no, he's going.
Speaker 1:He's been rookie of the month twice. Listen, he's a stud, yeah, and he's going to be one of the. I say this maybe I'm premature, just like my picking of New York Rangers and any of my fucking investments I always pick the losers. You're actually going to hire me to invest in China? Just take it right down.
Speaker 2:Perfect.
Speaker 1:But I think that he is going to go down as probably one of the top 20 defensemen of all time. Hudson yeah. Well, if you look where he is, as a rookie, certainly offensive defenseman.
Speaker 2:He's tied for sixth right now, with Crichelios for most points.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they both have had 64 points in their rookie year.
Speaker 2:So there's only five guys ahead. Larry Murphy's at the top with 76, which is only 12 more points Right, and there's a couple games to go. But interestingly enough and I've written a lot about this, so I've studied this very extensively, although I knew most of it. But I really put it out there for people who don't follow the game like I do, so they have a better understanding of what it takes when you have an exceptional season as a defenseman and yet you still don't win the Calder Trophy. Yeah, why not? Who beat you out, right? So in the case of Chris Chelios, he was a rookie in 84-85 with 64 points and didn't win the Calder Trophy.
Speaker 2:Well, he got beat by Mario Lemieux yeah okay, mario Lemieux had 100 points, including over 40 goals and, by the way, mario Lemieux played on the 20th overall team right yeah, nobody around him, yeah it's like Celebrini, yet they still found Mario Lemieux additionally to that Celebrini point in the 2000s. So since 2000 to 2024, 12 Calder Trophy winners have finished out of the playoffs.
Speaker 1:So it's really got no bearing well, yeah, but, and the reason for that, though, is the fucking bullshit lottery.
Speaker 2:Well, you're down. Typically a lot of the call to troll. Typically not all are on.
Speaker 1:They're high draft picks because they got to the shitty team, the.
Speaker 2:Montreal Canadiens had 76 points last year. We're not talking about a team that was knocking on the door to get in the postseason, they were 20 points out. The on the door to get into postseason they were 20 points out.
Speaker 1:The reason they are where they are this year largely, is because of Lane Hudson.
Speaker 2:Hello, that's the reason. Oh, I'm not denying it.
Speaker 1:That's the reason.
Speaker 2:You know they got a better team because he's made them a better team, because I've heard that as well. But the thing about not making the playoffs obviously doesn't fly. And, mary, let me use even the best example. And then in Larry Murphy's case, he had 76 points in the 80-81. Oh my God, rookie defenseman, 76 points Didn't win the rookie of the year.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Dale Howarchuk did, yeah, 103 points. What are you going to? Do you know. So wait, celebrini's got 24, 25 goals and he's supposed to be a contender. Look at the guys who beat out the top defenseman they had like. When Steve Larmer beat out Phil Housley, he had 90 points with 43 goals, a dwarfing.
Speaker 1:By the way. Is Steve Larmer in the Hall of Fame?
Speaker 2:no, and it's a joke really yeah he's not in the Hall of Fame he did everything, daniel Albertson did everything and more, and Alfie's in and Larmer's not. It's absolutely ridiculous. Tell me one thing Alfie did, that Larmer didn't.
Speaker 1:Well, he was born Swedish.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It's part of our diversity, equity that's all it is Right.
Speaker 2:That's a large part of the Hall of Fame is making sure that they're diverse. You know, it started when they started putting in the women. And now you want to get uh, you want to make sure you got your contingent of europeans. No, no, this isn't don jerry. Uh, that's fine, put the women in, I have no problem with it. But what's up? And it's not affected how many guys go in you?
Speaker 2:can still, I'm gonna say something but the diversification of the hall of fame in terms of the europeans too. Like daniel al, who's an outstanding player, like you know Calder Trophy, king Clancy Award, one Stanley Cup, final gold medal and 400 goals at a thousand points, that's a Hall of Fame career. Like Steve Larmer, did that Plus.
Speaker 1:The only difference is that, I will say, is that Alfredson became the franchise player. So it's the non-statistical impact that Alfredson had on this city, on the team, on the NHL, okay, that made him different from Steve Larmer. Now I'll say that you know, we're talking about that era, okay, and you know I mean beautiful.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're wrong, love alfie. He's a friend and, uh, anytime I see him, we have a great conversation and I got no problem with him going if you keep bringing up steve larmer, he's not gonna be your friend very long oh no, what does he care? He doesn't care. You're the one who asked if larmer's not in I know you knew or not.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I didn't know. I did. It's ridiculous that he's yeah, I, I think he should be.
Speaker 2:You know what's even a bigger joke. Alexander McGilney, you want to talk about championing?
Speaker 1:him what McGilney's not in.
Speaker 2:McGilney's not in the Hall of Fame. It's beyond asinine, let alone how I feel about Henderson. Let alone how Lorne Chabot has been screwed over for 80 years, let alone.
Speaker 1:Theo Fleury. He'll never get in. What is this Hall of Fame? It's the NHL Hall of Fame right?
Speaker 2:No, it's not. It's the Hockey Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1:But there's a Hockey Hall of Fame in the US too, isn't there?
Speaker 2:There's an American. Hockey Hall of Fame American Hockey Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1:So we're considering this. The World Hockey Hall of.
Speaker 2:Fame. This is just simply called the hockey hall of fame. You have the international ice hockey, international ice hockey federation hall of fame. Okay, yeah, the american hall of fame in kingston ontario has the original international hall of fame okay, which is not something that continues on a on a yearly basis anyway, but it did well. You know what?
Speaker 1:they lost all credibility when they put Gord Downie in there. It's like fuck, okay, the guy can sing, but he's not a good skater.
Speaker 2:Plus he was a Bruin fan. I mean look.
Speaker 1:Well, fuck. Anyway, I thought he was a Wheat Kings fan.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what a great song. Love that song. Changing the subject should be in changing the subject changing the subject.
Speaker 1:Okay, I'm bringing this up. You may not like it or not. I I've noticed that you have said a few things recently uh in your, uh on your email, not emails. What do you call those things?
Speaker 2:the in the in the facebook on facebook and stuff on your social media.
Speaker 1:Yeah, my social media yeah, the whole elbows up, everybody elbows up, okay, I. So I have two questions, and I know that someone asked you okay, what's the beginning of that? No, no, but you've been saying it. You've been saying it. No, no, you've been ending it. I saw you say elbows up, no, okay. So here's the thing what the fuck is that?
Speaker 2:What's elbows up? I knew you'd mis I know I misquoted, okay Because everybody does. That's what people do. Okay, people don't read, they don't understand. I was asked to provide a quote. Oh yeah, no, no, I saw that.
Speaker 1:But most recently you put another thing where you said elbows up as well, and that's why I was going to ask you. So the question is the whole derivative of going fuck. It was yeah, okay, I didn't hear that. But if you're going to go in the corner, you keep those elbows up. That's right. The fuck is protecting you, right? That's what that's all about, yeah, but you know what?
Speaker 1:I'm going to say something to Canadians, because I've been walking around and I've been hearing people say, hey, elbows up, elbows up. Okay, that's the problem with Canadians. They've got her fucking heads down, shoved far up their own ass. Okay, they got their elbows up, but they have no fucking clue what this country needs to survive. So you know what?
Speaker 1:I don't care what you vote, but do your fucking research. If you don't do your research and your homework, okay, all you're doing is guessing. You're going into a test and guessing oh, I think I'll pick A because he's attractive. Or, oh, he speaks. Well, I'm going to pick A, not. What is this guy going to do? What needs to be done? All of these things, and what is this person's policy on that? Again, I'm not telling you who to vote for. What I'm saying is use your fucking head, forget your elbows, get your head out of your ass, keep it up and educate yourself and get out and vote, because if you don't vote, you've got no say. And that's all I'm going to say. That's my political statement for the day.
Speaker 2:Yeah, listen, we've all stated that for years.
Speaker 2:It's commonality, since we've all gotten old enough to watch the results and see the percentage of people who vote and don't vote and how many don't, however you want to phrase it, and obviously it's the worst at the municipal level and as you go up it incrementally gets better. But who knows, maybe this election, with new blood coming in it'll, it'll foster more of a more voting and we'll get a better cross, you know, better representation, whole elbows up thing. Obviously I got brought into it through media because the gordy howell right, yeah, reference, historical reference.
Speaker 2:So yeah, so that's that's. That's my only uh thing with it. I'm not making any political statement, although some people have dragged me into it because of that, but I just say what you said. Just that's what I've told people. I have a couple guys online in the thread that want to go down political roads. I say do it on your own page. Yeah, you know, I got asked to offer a quote with the references to Gordie Howe. That's all I did, right. What the reference is to Gordie Howe, that's all I did Right. And you know, I got a picture with a t-shirt at the Prescott Hotel and I'm wearing an Elbows Up t-shirt, you know so.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well see, there's a problem. That's the problem. You know what? First of all, did you get the square slice?
Speaker 2:First of all, yes.
Speaker 1:And a meatball. See, there are people watching from Edmonton, yeah, okay. And there's people watching from the UK okay, Northern Ireland. I know people who see, you know, and stuff like that, and there's there. There are two things that you need to know about Ottawa. Uh, the Prescott Hotel yeah, is is an absolute must go to. Okay, it's, it's an absolute must. You've got to have a pizza and you've got to have a meatball sub there. I mean Because the pizza comes in squares, squares, squares pizza.
Speaker 2:And the meatball sub is a meal that lasts you two days.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you know, I've never I've got to tell you this story, so I don't know. Maybe I'm 19, 20 years old, I was still in university, so 19 maybe, whatever it was, and I was working construction all summer long and then in the wintertime they'd keep me on because I didn't have classes on Friday and I would go around and I would clean up all the job sites on Friday and they'd pay me a ridiculous amount of money to do that. But it kept me in money for the year going to university and I thank HK Phillips for that, by the way, it doesn't exist anymore. But Jimmy and Jack, you guys were great to me. Anyway, so the last Thursday before Christmas, everybody got a turkey, right, you get a turkey and everything like that. So, anyway, so we go, and I got to go pick up your check on Thursdays back in those days, right, that was when you got paid. So the shop was on Pamela, right down the road, like literally right off, like right from the Prescott. So everybody right to the Prescott, right after you get your paycheck, right, yeah, so I don't remember much.
Speaker 1:All I do know is that it was December, right, my birthday time. I come home like four hours late. No cell phones back in these days, right? My birthday time. I come home like four hours late. No cell phones back in these days, right? Kristen has no idea. I walk in and she was fucking like people waiting for like five hours for a surprise birthday party for me and I've got sauce on my shirt. I'd just been, I'd been working, I had sauce on my shirt, I was just three sheets to the wind, everything like that. And so the Prescott was responsible for probably one of the largest fights in the history of our relationship.
Speaker 2:Oh, no, wow.
Speaker 1:But to be fair, I think the payphone was broken you know what I mean, that was back in the day when you used to Really, really, there's no payphone broken. You know what I mean. That was back in the day when you used to Really, really, there's no payphone you couldn't have called.
Speaker 2:They still have the old booths in there. They've taken the phones out. They left them in for a long time. Sadly it's under new ownership and some things have changed. You can't get a quarter of X anymore. They've moved from Molson's to Labatt is fine, but they should have kept Cortex on. It's a card-only facility. Now I can't pay cash to the press anymore.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm not going? I don't go anywhere that doesn't accept cash. And you know why? Because it discriminates against people. It forces them to have a bank card or a credit card, which costs fees, and it makes the banks richer and the person poorer, and anybody. What if you just you fucking busted your hump, you help somebody with their whatever and they give you five bucks and you go. Christ, I need a fucking slice yeah. Okay, or I need a pint.
Speaker 2:Whatever, it is okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you can't get it because you don't have a credit card or a bank card where you're paying fees in every transaction and everything, and they got you by the balls. There's something to fucking lift your head up, kick your elbows up and say, fuck you, forget this. Cash only bullshit, yeah. Or sorry, credit card only bullshit, yeah. And take back the world, because as soon as they control you like that they control you Right, like I, totally they own it. They fucking froze bank accounts already. Motherfuckers, okay, you think they're not going to stop at you? Oh no, I wouldn't do anything wrong until they feel a different way than you. Keep your money in fucking cash stuff, your fucking mattress, motherfuckers, sorry. I probably shouldn't be trying to like win them over by calling them motherfuckers.
Speaker 2:Well, you're taking pretty big pulls at that point. I think, it's just rolling right through you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know, okay, so listen, that's it. We have nothing else to talk about. What we are going to do, though, is we're going to discuss, like, historically speaking, yeah, okay, we're going to discuss All for our buddy. Yeah, no, you're interrupting again. Oh jeez, I was about to segue. Okay, so on behalf of Shoeless Joe's, Both locations. Kempville and Orleans. Yes, okay, I've never been to Orleans. Well, I'm going to.
Speaker 2:Kempville's tonight yeah.
Speaker 1:Are you?
Speaker 2:Yeah, another one. Well, I'm going to kentville's tonight. Yeah, are you? Yeah, we're going to kentville's tonight to watch the end of the masters. Uh, wendy and I and we'll be there and catch the last four or five holes of, uh, what should be a fabulous finish more than likely.
Speaker 1:Well, that's that's we'll be at shoeless joes tonight in kentville.
Speaker 2:It's a little closer to home, but I've been to orleans, I helped open it when it did open, as I've mentioned before, and they do bring us this.
Speaker 1:So this day in hockey history, shoeless Joe's Both locations. Kempville and Orleans. Yes, today is actually the Masters, april 13th. Yeah, okay, so tell me, tell me about this.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, only got a couple of thingsris, but uh, pretty cool from an ottawa perspective yeah, I understand, I see that last time the senators won the stanley cup was, uh, on a wednesday, on april 13th 1927, when they beat your boston bruins. Of course you're a fan of both teams, but in 27 I don't know who you would cheer for but, um, no bobby, or yet then.
Speaker 2:However, ottawa beat Boston in the final in 1927. In those days it was a best of three yeah, and if you played a game that was tied at the end of regulation, you would play one overtime period, and if it was tied still at the end of that overtime period, that game was null and void.
Speaker 1:Right, and then you played a new game.
Speaker 2:Then you went to a new game.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:So that's why the series ended up going four games and because Ottawa won, tied, tied, won and won the last one, which was on this date, April 13th. And the other interesting thing from a historical point of view, something near and dear to my heart, is the brawl at the end of that game. There was a brawl. There was the brawl.
Speaker 1:The brawl.
Speaker 2:The brawl of all brawls happened at the conclusion of this game on this night, 1927, on April 13th, on a Wednesday, and a player got suspended for life from the Boston Bruins, named Billy.
Speaker 1:Couture. You know what? I know the story of him. I think I've shared it on here before.
Speaker 2:And C-O-U-T-U was his last name. He had previously been in the NHL with the Montreal Canadiens, and his granddaughter is a member at Rideau View.
Speaker 1:That's right. Yeah, that's her name. Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2:His husband just passed away. But fantastic people. Anyway, billy was a psycho and on that team was Eddie Shore, spray Claighorn, lionel Hitchman, billy Couture. But folks, you got no idea how violent Every decade you go back, it was that much more violent, and that series in particular. This is back in the two-referee system, no three-referees.
Speaker 1:Kind of like Thursday Night Hockey and Manateitoba exactly same thing, no different.
Speaker 2:Um, billy, bell and, uh, laflam I want to say jerry anyway, laflam and and bell one was a doctor, just they moonlight. You know, that's the way it was in the 20s. They were just refereeing the game and kachou went nuts on. After brawling all of ot, he turned his attention to the officials and he beat the shit out of one of them on the ice and he chased the other one off the ice and hammered him in front of the dressing room, in front of the league president Frank Calder, who the Calder Trophy is named after.
Speaker 1:Well, is that true? Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the Calder Trophy is named after Frank, His son wasn't it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the Calder Trophy is named after.
Speaker 2:His son, wasn't it? No, that's the heart, oh the heart. Yeah, that's the heart. Don't get me going, it's another show.
Speaker 1:If you ask me, it should be called the Gordie Howe Trophy. But anyways, I'm moving on. This is just my idea. Okay, you probably don't agree, but it's just my idea.
Speaker 2:Can I have another beer please? Can I have another beer please? Oh, this guy, I'll tell you. Anyway, april 13th 1927. Sins win the last Stanley Cup. Dramatic fashion Three goals. Cy Dennity got the second and the third. He got the winner. They championed it here for years. St Frank Finnegan got the actual cup winner. He did score in that game. He scored the first goal. I met Frank. I worked with him. Rest his soul. His number eight is retired by the current Ottawa Senators and he came down to Florida in 1991. They got the team. Prince of a man, beautiful man from Shawville, quebec. Uh, just a beauty. And the only other thing, chris is uh the first defenseman, because we always talk a lot about defensemen, and the first defenseman to have a 20 goal season. It's his birthday today. Uh, bill Hollett, friend, he's from uh North Sydney. Um, uh the caper.
Speaker 1:Yeah, caper.
Speaker 2:Yeah, in Nova Scotia. I never got to meet him but I met guys who knew him and he had 20 goals, first defenseman to do so in the NHL for the Detroit Red Wings, after having an outstanding career with the Boston Bruins. He was a Stanley Cup winner in 39 and 41. He previously played. He had a cup of coffee for the Leafs and the Senators before going on an extended stay with the Bruins. He traded to Detroit for Pat Boxcar Egan and then had the 20 goal season the next year in 44-45 I believe it was. So it's his birthday today. Probably give him a shout out. Yeah, he'd be 114 and in the Sens, last Stanley Cup.
Speaker 1:Wow. So there you go. So that was, how many years is the Sens' last Stanley Cup? That'd be 98 years. Yeah, it's almost as long as it fucking has taken the Leafs to win Just about. Yeah, but we were shut down for a lot of years too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Ottawa was out for 59 years.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so.
Speaker 2:I would not want to play the Sens in the first round. Man, holy cow, they're doing this. Brady hasn't played six, seven games.
Speaker 1:I know he's resting.
Speaker 2:For sure he is.
Speaker 1:We all know that they say he's not injured.
Speaker 2:Well, look at the Panther lineup. They're dressing. They're sitting out six guys. It's unbelievable. Cale McCarr didn't play the other night, Ovi didn't play the other night. You Go down the line Vegas again, usual.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Well Vegas. You know what I'm surprised? That Stone is even in the lineup.
Speaker 2:I know it's like you know Stone is.
Speaker 1:This is all new territory. Hey, mark, mark, this is what most people do, right? Is they play to the end and then they start the playoffs. I get, I'm on the mailing list for all the like update stuff for Vegas, right?
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Because I was following them for a while, because and it was the most electric game I've been I told you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you did. You were there with Evan. Right, with Evan, we went to see the.
Speaker 1:Canadians play in the playoffs when they were there a couple years ago, oh, in 2021?.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, okay and it was just.
Speaker 1:It was unbelievable play in the playoffs when they were there, oh, in 2021? Yeah, Okay, Okay, and it was just. It was unbelievable. Most of the people at the game didn't understand hockey at all. The guy behind us was explaining what an offside was to the other guy and he was wrong. Right, you know he was using soccer as the you know? No, you know what I mean. Yeah, you know. Anyways, whatever, we were just sitting there, but very, very like pumped. They just pumped the energy into that room.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it certainly looks like it, and I'll tell you, a lot of fun to watch and so, anyways, I follow it and I, you know Mark Stone, as you know, I was expecting him to. Maybe, if it wasn't going to be in a game, maybe he'd trip out. Uh uh, you know, on a step somewhere. Yeah, I'd have to sit out a few games.
Speaker 2:Well, the start of the start of the season game two or three or something he had uh, I I think he left the game early, you know. Whatever, it wasn't anything too serious, but twitter, there must have been about 50 tweets. Uh, vegas, declare carstone out for the rest of the season but expect him ready for game one. Fuck, it was funny. I must have laughed for five minutes because it was. It was. That's what they've been doing right.
Speaker 1:Oh exactly, it's pretty funny. Yeah, I mean, you know, guys got a lacerated stomach ulcer torn insides, everything else.
Speaker 2:He's ready for game one, yeah yeah, he's ready for game one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I know, I mean he's no Kucherov right.
Speaker 2:No, no, that was the first right. That's pretty significant stuff. That was the first one. The first one that was deliberate.
Speaker 1:I think yeah.
Speaker 2:Deliberately sat the guy out. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, this is the end.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this is the end of our show. I'm Haas.
Speaker 1:I'm McGuire.
Speaker 2:G'day.
