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The HEAVEN ON EARTH Podcast: A Portal to Possibility
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The HEAVEN ON EARTH Podcast: A Portal to Possibility
The Rise of the Empath Leader: Transforming Humanity's Algorithm
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The old paradigms are breaking down, and something new is emerging. But what comes next when systems built on domination and separation can no longer sustain themselves? According to Claudia Cauterucci and Amanda Flaker, it's the rise of the EMPATH LEADER.
In this profound conversation, Claudia and Amanda explore the core themes of their co-authored book, "The Empath Leader: Transforming Humanity's Algorithm." They reveal how Empaths - those deeply sensitive individuals who naturally harmonize with others' emotions - are uniquely positioned to lead in this time of global transformation. But first, they must transform themselves.
The journey begins with a revolutionary concept: Empaths must include themselves in the equation. After lifetimes of sacrificing their needs and preferences to maintain peace, empaths must reclaim their sovereignty through what Amanda calls "preference" - the moment-by-moment awareness of their own desires and boundaries. This isn't selfishness; it's the foundation of authentic connection.
What makes this leadership paradigm different is its grounding in what the authors call "the restored heart." Neither hardened nor naive, this approach balances tenderness with fierce protection of what matters. As Claudia explains, "Empaths are kind but not stupid." This restored heart becomes the bridge between personal healing and visionary leadership.
The conversation weaves through profound insights about humanity's operating system, our collective trauma, and the renaissance that's possible when we honor our full humanity. They explore how empaths, once healed and empowered, bring unique gifts of discernment, emotional alchemy, and visionary creation to leadership roles at every level.
Are you feeling called to something deeper than the old ways of dominance and sacrifice? Do you sense that your sensitivity might actually be your superpower? This conversation offers a roadmap for empaths rising into their leadership potential during this pivotal moment in human history. The time for empathic revolutionary leadership is now.
Welcome to Heaven on Earth
Speaker 1Welcome to the Heaven on Earth podcast , a world where you study the story you were born into and redesign it into the story you choose . A world where you can have Heaven on Earth right here , right now , no matter the past . For me , Heaven on Earth is a holistic experience , leading with the heart , engaging with mind , body and spirit . It's mindful , fostering calm and secure attachments as we rise into consciousness . It's an earthly journey where we sensually embrace dynamic living . Hello , beautiful listeners , and welcome back to the Heaven on Earth podcast . I'm Claudia Cattarucci , the podcast host . Today's episode is something special . It's a time capsule for a conversation I recorded three months ago with my luminous co-author , Amanda Flaker , and she's her own podcast host , the Abundance Matrix Podcast . Find her there , and today I get to say these words out loud Our book is here the Empath Leader Second Edition .
Speaker 1Transforming Humanity's Algorithm . It is officially out in the world , available now in ebook paperback , hardcover With the audio book coming out soon . Paperback hardcover With the audio book coming out soon , I'm thinking two weeks narrated by yours truly and the other co-authors . All formats , all price points , no excuses . This book is a transmission , a reclamation and a new leadership manual for a world that is in transition . I like to call it secure parenting as a leadership model for what's going on out there today .
Speaker 1Whether you're just starting to wonder if you might be an empath , whether you're in the depths of your healing , whether you're a leader , a creator , an influencer , a caregiver or just someone who feels that the old paradigm is collapsing and something better must emerge , this is for you . This is for you . We wrote this for the folks who've survived trauma and are now rising with wisdom . We wrote this for the future , for the earth that we are re-imagining together , and let's talk about it . What the world needs now is this new leadership paradigm . Shout out .
Speaker 1Dionne Warwick , my co-authors and I Carmen Berkley Anderson , Amanda Flaker , charles Martinez , felicia Ortiz have
Introducing The Empath Leader Book
Speaker 1poured our hearts out and trauma rising stories into this work . It's not perfect , for sure , because we're actually claiming imperfection in this new era . But from the front lines of transformation we got courageous . We just had to write our stories down . If this message speaks to your soul , get the book . Leave a review . It helps the new transformed algorithm . Keep the good news in rotation . Let's get the momentum going . Share it . Share it far and wide , because it's not just for here . Because it's not just for here , it's for the planet . The time for empathic re-evolutionary leadership is now .
Speaker 1So let's dive deep into this conversation with Amanda . You'll see a lot of the themes in the book talked about , discussed , felt here .
Speaker 2All right , hi Claudia . How are you felt here ? All right , hi Claudia . How are you ?
Speaker 2I am so excited to have Claudia on my channel . She's been on my channel before , she's been on my podcast before , but today I'm excited to bring her on because we are talking about a project that we have been working on together . It's a project that she initially started and then invited me on into the second , I guess , publication of it , and that is the Empath Leader book . I've tweeted it out before . I talked about it on the first round , but Claudia asked me to be a part of it the second time and I wanted to have a conversation about the book to introduce you guys to it .
Speaker 2It's not out yet , but we wanted to . I just wanted to like , dive in . So , first of all , hi , welcome back . Welcome back to my channel . I haven't had anyone on my channel for a while , so I'm excited to bring you on and all the other authors on , and I would love to just start out with you talking a little bit about why you like what inspired you to write , to start and initiate this book . It's called empath leader , the empath leader , and , yeah , like what like ? I just want to hear what inspired you , and we'll just go back and forth because we have to share with everybody .
Speaker 1Yeah , Thank you , I'm really honored to be here . I just love being here with you in your field . I just really adore it , amanda , let's include the subtitle , which is Transforming Humanity's Algorithm , which we'll be talking about a lot today . It's so important , especially with everything you talk about .
Speaker 1The first thing I say is that I woke up from a dream because I had not meant at all to ever write anything on empaths or the empath leader and this has happened to me before where I'm given some sort of title like dynamic , which is my self-healing modality , my self-healing modality , the empath leader .
Speaker 1However , I think that it had been brewing because during the pandemic , I was listening to you , so I think the inspirational seeds , the fire in my body , the sort of this moving around in my head about these concepts , about the being an empath which you know , I literally felt like my eyes tilted backward because I felt it so powerfully when you spoke about it and I think there's a bunch of us who follow you and who love and admire your work who have felt the same way and basically , where you were putting the empath in the middle of what you discuss , in the middle of your discourse , so I think there'd been a lot of massaging , not only about my identifying myself as an empath and realizing all those gifts , but also I just really woke up from the dream that said the empath leader . And you know that I am a natural leader , so it made sense to put it together in that way . Am I answering the question give people .
Speaker 2Claudia is a psychotherapist for anyone who doesn't know and she works in Washington DC . She's out of Washington DC and works with a lot of leaders , a lot of empaths and a lot of leaders , so I think that that's also part of I . You are very much a catalyst for people , for empaths in particular , because it's a . It's an intense time and we're going to dive into that . The time , the times right now , and why now Like ? Why ? Why the empath leader ? Why changing humanities , algorithms ? Why now , like it's , the times are so ripe for this ?
Speaker 1Yes , yes , and even we published the book last fall . But the co authors , you , us , we've been talking about like wow , maybe that was the first draft , because divine timing feels like it's so precise right this minute for the second edition of this book , and I think it's just . There's such a power punch to this book , and especially with you being one of the contributing authors , it's , it's , it's incredible . Should we talk about the times a little bit ?
Speaker 1Yeah , let's do it , let's do it . And the first chapter in the book talks about the times , because we cannot introduce these concepts and these in this book without talking about the zeitgeist that it's born from . We are here for this moment and I think anyone who watches you , anyone who works with me , follows me , and I do work with creatives , with empaths , with leaders , you know , thinkers , a lot of sort of people who really put their thought leadership out . There is the zeitgeist that we're in and , if we want to work like we always do , amanda , multi-dimensionally , it is a nine year , right , two plus two plus five , it is a nine year which is a year of completion . Our aquarius and pluto are joined right now , and that hasn't happened since the french revolution , the , the American revolution , the Haitian revolution . So there , there is something about this time being a time of great change , yes , great change . It's the year of the snake as well in Chinese astrology , so what we know is that there's a lot of shedding of skin and transformation , and there's also , you know , the snake carries secrets in its skin . So it's a time of truth , yes , of radical truth telling , and we are , I think we're going to see all of that .
Speaker 1The towers are falling . One thing that the first chapter talks about is that unsustainable systems will fall . Yep and but just just organically , right and , and some of these systems were , were may have like , just for like , root chakra healing may have been built on a derailed root chakra collective root chakra , planetary root chakra . There were more shadows , more secrets when some of these systems had been originally created , and so anything based on that is going to start to collapse
Conversation with Amanda Flaker
Speaker 1. So it is a time of tower , but , as the Tarot says , I love the tarot , the tower card , because it means that there's going to be a great rebirth , a great cleansing . Healing is all about . That is , getting into all of the roots and and cleaning it all the way through , exactly so does that Empath is prepped for that .
Speaker 2I believe a lot of empaths especially I know my audience and people you've worked with as well have been really prepared for this time for the last 10 years , even whether they realize it or not . We have been prepared , probably our whole lives being prepared for this . But especially , I know a lot of empaths have been working on just getting empowered , getting including themselves in the equation , allowing their yes to be yes and their no to be no . And that is the difference I've said this multiple times but between when an empath is in a disempowered state , we hold together that lack matrix . We hold it together , we hold that system together because the empath is so needed in every creation . The empath is needed , the emotion is needed , the heart is needed because the human is the magic . So the difference now that I feel , and why I'm so excited about empaths stepping into their power , is because when the empath says no and truly steps into that boundary , the tower falls because everything that was dependent on the empath not having a will , not asserting their will , everything that was dependent on that falls and it happens . It's not something we have to directly . We don't have to directly make the tower fall . It indirectly falls through us choosing our yes and choosing to include ourselves in the equation .
Speaker 2And I think the reason the empath is so important in this is because of the deep sensitivity and the deep precision and discernment when it comes to that holistic win-win-win space . You know where that we have this pristine , I think , ability to feel into what is a true win-win-win . And the problem is historically , for thousands of years , empaths haven't included themselves in the equation . So it's they . When we're not in the equation , we're off , something's off , because we are the human , we are that like space where all that discernment comes from . So I feel very excited about just the prep empaths have done and this work . I know with my clients I just there's a radical transformation happening for people right now .
Speaker 1Yes , and Amanda , do you mind ? I think we already talk about , but you and I have a tendency to riff to like be . It's like a jam session that we do together . So I would also like to ask you a few questions as we go back and forth speaking especially especially for folks who are going to , on my end , the people , my audience , to really understand some of your concepts .
Speaker 1But let me backtrack what you said , that it's not that anyone is forcing the towers to fall , and you're reminding me of the book Codependent no More , one of the things that she talks about . Because that's really what's happening If the all is in the small and the small is in the all . Which is that phrase I've coined right ? The individual is the collective and the collective is the all . Which is that phrase I've coined right ? The individual is the collective and the collective is the individual . Is that when the empath stops being codependent on anything , on other people's energies , on other people's emotions , on other people's dynamics , on serving right , because that's what codependence is . Codependence is enabling all the behaviors around us in order for us to feel soothed , although it never happens . It's an addictive cycle . It never happens , so we keep chasing that carrot , but hold up .
Speaker 1In the book Codependent no More . She says that all you have to do , you do not change the other . We are not here to change the other . We change our own dance . And the moment that we change the steps to the dance , imagine right and we stay consistent with like no , I'm not dancing like that anymore , I'm dancing like this . You're more than welcome to come , but I'm not enabling the system anymore . So that is when relationship dynamics all is in the small , small is in the all and our relationship to the collective , to energetics , to everything changes . So I really like when you said that we're not out there forcing anything , we're just changing the dance inside of ourselves . So , amanda , can you say a little more ? Just break it down and , like , baby , talk about what you mean by empaths putting themselves in the equation , like , because that's where it all starts , this empowerment all starts there .
Speaker 2Yes , this empowerment all starts there . Yes , I love this question because when you were taught , when you were talking just now , what I thought about is kind of the origins of an empath and how empaths are so good , usually from the time they're children at feeling into a room , feeling into dynamics , and and adjusting and harmonizing , that's that's our gift . And harmonizing , harmonizing , harmonizing , adjusting and harmonizing that's that's our gift . And harmonizing , harmonizing , harmonizing . So when we are constantly focused on the other or the external , often we're , we're getting the feedback loop from others . So , are you okay , are you okay ? Are you okay ? Okay , then I'm okay .
Speaker 2And and this sort of um belief that we're , we have to , that it's our job or our role to hold , to hold that harmony or to be able to keep , keep peace . You know , hold , hold the peace . And I think for an empath it can be very difficult . We don't like feeling that in , we don't like feeling the conflict , we don't like feeling the , the conflict of the world around us . And so there's this belief that we get , that we're just trained into that . We believe that again , if everything is OK outside of us , then we'll be OK , and so including ourselves in the equation , as you said . It's like flipping that on its head and actually knowing , like from my central nervous system out , that I actually have permission , even if there is division , even if there is disharmony , even if , no matter what's going on out there , I have permission to take a deep breath , to regulate my central nervous system , to say no , to walk away , to pivot my attention , to move into my preference . And I think , at least for me and I know for so many people I've worked with , we didn't know we were allowed to . We just didn't know , we didn't even know we were allowed to have a preference . So that I feel like is a big place , kind of what I was saying earlier about empaths being prepared for this time .
Speaker 2I feel like that's what we've been learning is how to , how to include our preference into the equation , how to include our central nervous system . So instead of , oh , Claudia , I need to make sure you're okay , so that I feel okay . Oh , I can feel okay Even if you don't feel okay , and I can be okay with you not feeling okay , like I can let you feel how you feel and I can feel how I feel and I can be , I can have actual peace in my central nervous system with the fact that there might be feelings that are intense . You know , someone can be angry and that's okay .
Speaker 2The big thing for me was like realizing and I know a lot of empaths do this is that we feel like everyone has to like , like us , that if we're not liked , that we're somehow doing something wrong . And so for me , a big one was like oh , it's okay if people don't like me that's what youtube broke me up is . It's okay if people hate me . It's okay if people don't like me . It's okay if people are deeply offended . You know like some people are deeply offended by what I teach . That's okay , that's okay is like , sounds so simple , but it's like , wow , that's okay . You know , it's like it's so freeing , it's so freeing , we need a t-shirt that says that Seriously and for your audience to know .
Speaker 1Sometimes I'm taking notes because I really want to come back to some of the points you're making . So if I'm looking down and taking notes , yeah , Me too .
Speaker 2by the way , I have notes in my phone .
Speaker 1Yeah , yeah , just just because , of course , when we're talking like , we will riff for two hours straight . So one of the things is it okay if I piggyback , and this is just some highlights of the book is one of the reasons and I'll bring in my psycho , spiritual approach into is that what happens is what I call it like the root chakra starts to lean when we're children and it's like the leaning tower of chakras , like the leaning tower of Pisa , because our root chakra , which is the chakra of stability , safety , security , belonging , when we're dropped into families that have conflicts or abuse or dysregulation , right , like this sensitive creature that we are , because that's what we're hardwired to be . We are hardwired if we want to talk about technology , right , human tech , which you coined , that Like . We are hardwired if we want to talk about technology right , human tech , which you coined that like . We are hardwired to be harmonizers .
Speaker 1That's why conflict is such a buzz , like it elect , like it's a buzz it . It really rattles our entire nature . So we start to lean and overcompensate into the sacral and solar plexus , which are the ways to live on the 3D , and so those start to burgeon and dysregulate themselves and so we're away from the root and so part of this empowerment that you're describing and that we talk about in the book is is actually coming back in cleaning that root out and docking yes , docking into our belonging security . That's not coming from others , it's coming from us being right . Mostly we're parentified , which is we're , we're like , we're so skilled at becoming really quick adults to help the harmony , the harmony work , which is what we talk about in the book , which is , when we flip that into leadership , when we flip that into skills , we are super empowered , exactly .
Speaker 2Yes , oh , I love that . And can you ? When you said parentified , I mean I know that has a whole , that's how it's like a whole psychological term , but how would you describe that ?
Speaker 1when it comes to the empath , I want to say all of them have been parentified and what that means
Empaths: From Sacrifice to Self-Inclusion
Speaker 1is that the parents for in different scenarios . So either the parents are so dysregulated and immature that the empath , in order to keep the peace in the family unit , will grow up very quickly . Family unit will grow up very quickly , will be and these are some examples will be very good , very nice , very straight , a student , clean . Also , the parent might make the empath . Because the empath has this amazing ability to feel other people's feelings .
Speaker 1We're psychic that way to feel energetics that they become the best friend to the adult . They become the best friend and I I've coined this term party of one . We become the party of one , yeah , which means that we're little kids who are solving problems not only for the family unit but for ourselves , by ourselves a lot . So there's this existential aloneness that the empath feel and we feel this is the trick , I think , when you're talking about coming back into the equation , amanda is that we feel that we're highly valued . Mm , hmm , see , we're super rewarded . Yes , we're so good . Look at you , you're so mature , you know , you're so articulate .
Speaker 2You're such a good friend and you know like you're the only one I can talk to , you're the only one I've . I realized I was addicted to that and I didn't the only . I had a lot of people using superlatives with me .
Speaker 1you're the only , you're the best and I was addicted to that , needing to be the only the best , the whatever , friend , colleague , partner well , imagine , and in the backdrop of feeling abandoned or alone a lot , in the backdrop of feeling non-belonging and non-security and safety , which is all the root chakra elements . Right , thank you , we're like .
Speaker 1Thank you so much , thank you for seeing me , which is , of course , where we become prime targets , yes , of narcissistic or toxic behaviors , uh , relationships , right , we , we , because just don't leave us . We'll keep serving and this is where you come in , amanda . We'll keep serving the parent , the family system , the family , the collective . We'll keep serving in order to get the reward . We'll keep serving in order to get the reward . We'll go all in , we'll work the extra hours , we'll soothe , until we're depleted .
Speaker 2Follow all the rules . We'll hold together like whatever . For some reason , religion popped up . We do this with religion , too . The same thing , yes .
Speaker 1Yes , yes .
Speaker 2We'll hold it together .
Speaker 1Yes , and because we also see the good . We're hardwired to see the good , to see the promise , because we don't just sympathize , we actually feel other people's trauma . It's a slippery slope . We feel as my son , my son's description of the empath is we feel bad for the bad guy in the movie , like we're watching a movie , feeling really bad for the bad guy right , like whatever the bad , the good , let's take that with a grain of salt .
Speaker 1We don't mean it that way , but but it's a really good way to encapsulate it of salt . We don't mean it that way , but but it's a really good way to encapsulate it .
Speaker 2Exactly , and the idea with empath leadership is these are actually gifts . We just don't know that we're so gifted . Yes , well , that's kind of what I , sorry , go ahead . I was just going to say that , as you're , as you're saying all this , what I kind of wanted to like differentiate is , with empath leader , changing humanities algorithm , like what is it how ? And especially for you , I want to get this from , like your words and , by the way , claudia wrote like 80% of the book , so there's other contributing authors and I'll be introducing all of them , by the way , on my channel and I'm so excited because it's such an amazing group of people Like I truly feel lucky .
Speaker 2But I , from your perspective , like what , what is that shift and what is that difference ? Cause we're talking right now about that , we are hardwired for this , but the , the , the , the downfall can be not including ourselves in the equation . So the this book is kind of about transforming that . So our algorithm isn't in lack and it isn't in codependency and it isn't in self-sacrifice because we're at , we're , we're moving out of sacrifice period , that's . That's kind of what . What I believe is that we can't sacrifice and have a holistic system . So I'm curious , like for you and your inspiration for the book what ? What is your message about that ?
Speaker 1Yeah , let's talk like a few words on sacrifice just to like , um , it's like to give it like multiple ways of talking about that , which is the empath is really willing to pay the price . So , if there's a lot of , and let's all in the small , small and the all , if you're in a home where there's a lot of fighting , the empath will share none of their needs or wants or distresses to keep the peace . Yeah , so the empath will hide , will get quiet in order to not be a burden , and I know a lot of the people watching us will be like , oh , I don't want to be a burden , I don't want to be bothered , so , and that's sacrificial , yeah , that is , we are willing to fall on the sword to cover for others to enable . And part of the codependence is and this , this is a nuance is codependence on energetics , not not just people , codependence on feelings , which is what you were describing . So I , we can't talk about empath leadership without talking about your concepts , amanda .
Speaker 1Because the first place so the book is divided in sort of ish . The first six chapters are everything that the empath needs to know to basically come back into their own healed root chakra , because they must heal . Yes , yes , the second part is all about leadership and the bridge is the kind heart , and you'll see it in the book . The bridge is our heart , so imagine how you and I are going to riff on the heart . But the first part is all about putting themselves in the equation . And the way that I say it , amanda , I'm not as sophisticated as you one plus zero equals one , but one plus one equals two . There's two of us here . I count in this equation , and one of the things I emphasize in the first part of the book is empaths cannot mess around .
Speaker 1Self-care is non-negotiable , like it's not luxury , it's not a day at the spa , it's a daily practice of how am I caring for myself ? It is I put on the mask first before I'm out there putting the mask on others . It is that whole adage , and so I can't highlight that enough that if you don't take seriously the first part of the book , we're back to the same thing . You are expending yourself . Yes , we're back to the same thing . You are expending yourself , yes , into the world of others , into the world of activism , into the worlds of your family . If you're a mom , a dad , you're giving yourself away , you're depleting yourself . All your gifts are going into debt . Let's say it like that they're just going into debt .
Speaker 2Yes .
Speaker 1Amanda , let me talk a little bit about you . Preference . Can you say something about preference ? Can you say really like , can you anchor us into what you mean by preference and how it marks boundaries ? Because even boundaries is an inflamed word for empaths because we don't know how to do it . We feel like we're rejecting people . It's so inflamed word for empaths because we don't know how to do it . We feel like we're rejecting people . It's so inflamed that empath is very particular language .
Speaker 2Yes , I agree , I agree Preference for me and I've said this before . But I , when I came to that word specifically about what we're in relation to what we're talking about , was when I was working with Rachel Jensen on urge . We were introducing urge into gen magic and that first run of or the second run of that course and I was really , I really struggling with how do I get in touch with my urge , my creative urge , because that really is what drives it and that's often what impacts are . They're not in alignment with is their own creative urge , because they're plugged into the creative urge of human , of like the other , of the external , and I felt like I can't even get to my creative urge because I don't know what I prefer moment to moment , like so often we , just we , we don't listen moment to moment to moment Even like do I prefer this color or this color or do I do I want to drive this way to work or this way to work ? You know just little thing and those sound so simple and but I've , I realized for me personally , and it's been a huge game changer working with clients as well is teaching myself and teaching others to pay attention moment to moment to moment to moment to moment , to preference .
Speaker 2And I think there's so many things that , especially for me , like I grew up in a huge family , so you don't , you don't get . We were poor and we were a huge family , so you don't , you don't really get to think of your preference . You know what I mean . Like it's just you have to survive . So there's even a message often embedded in that that it's selfish to have preference , and yet preference is what tips us over . I believe into art , into our unique individual expression . So for me , that's what I mean when I say preference . Like I don't even think you can get to your creative urge until you at first at least know what your preference is moment to moment , even if you there are certain situations where you can't have what you prefer or there's lots of people involved and so it involves compromise . But even just knowing what your preference is , you knowing first , like what do I prefer here , even if I'm okay to like have wiggle room , or even you know I prefer this , but I'm also pretty easy going because I am in general , I don't have to have my way all the time , but even just to know in my mind for me what's my preference and I think this is so important because I believe that empaths within our hearts . Like you said , our heart is the bridge to heaven on earth and I believe that we lay down the code for heaven on earth through our preference and through our creative expression , because it's so much deeper than we realize .
Speaker 2Impacts and you guys know that when I say impacts , I mean the human human tech . Our human tech is very much wired for sovereignty and communion , and they are they . You can't have one without the other . You're twined . You cannot have , you cannot have communion without sovereignty . Otherwise it's some sort form of codependence and manipulation . So it's like we have to get out of this , which I feel like empaths get enslaved in a lot is this idea that we have to serve the master instead of we're the master . My central nervous system is the master , my creative urge is the master and my relationship to life and my creative urge , that's , that's what determines everything else . So does that kind of like oh , I love it .
Speaker 1Well , I think the psycho-spiritual language there is that what ? What happens is that we begin to give up our preference in service of the collective , of the family system , of the family unit .
Speaker 2Yes , and we get rewarded for it and we get really good . You're so easy .
Speaker 1You're so good , you're so easy . What do you want to eat ? Oh , I don't care . What do you want to do ? Oh , I don't care , I don't care . And check it out when we don't care , it loses value . What do you want to be paid ? Oh , I don't care . Yeah , value starts to decrease . And so , psychologically , if we're , if we're working , if we're working just with other humans or empaths , starting to identify like what do I care about ? What do I care about and do I care about ? Starting with me , I must care about me , because what happens is the dissolution of self , right , the dissolution of self . And , of course , this is where I say we're prime targets , right . If we have no self , then we're like tofu . We'll just go with anything We'll like , we can get flavored anyway and we can be , dominated .
Speaker 1We can just so easily be dominated by people who are more wounded than us . We match the wound that way , we're a plug and socket for people who are more wounded and we're just easy that way , and that is in terms of the collective as well . It's , it's . It's easy to follow a cult leader . It's easy to be dominated by an abusive coach . It's easy . And so , psychologically , preference , self-care , what do I care about ? Starting with us , and would say that it's selfish , yes , but with an with capital , s-e-l-f . The self , yes , in the highest , most , in the highest meditative way . I love the self and this idea . Also . You , just you , this thought of like we can't what did you say , amanda ? We can't do sovereignty without communion , communion , and I would say we can't do sameness , where we are in unity , consciousness that we're all the same as humans , without doing uniqueness .
Speaker 1Yep exactly Right . Like part of the balance , the yin and yang , like what we're trying to do in higher concepts , is yes , we're the same as humans . We are , we have the birthright , we have the sovereignty , the birthright of worthiness period , because we are all the same human species which you and I talk about . But what makes the renaissance happen is living into our uniqueness . So there's a lot of this balance .
Speaker 2Yes , I keep seeing , like I feel , like spirit keeps showing me that it's like a fingerprint . There's a reason why your fingerprint is so unique and nobody else has it . And if you , if we don't live out our unique expression , we literally heaven on earth cannot be fully built . Because it is a , because it is the wholeness of it , is everyone in their sovereignty , everyone in their unique creative expression and , like you said , you can't really have one without the other . So we can't really connect on our sameness if we're not in our individuality . Exactly , yeah , individuality .
Speaker 1Exactly , yeah , Because . So what happens in exactly Amanda ? What happens is , again we talk about this rigid duality , right ? So we're either super separate and super unique , and I'm not like everyone else that ends up being so . I'm against you , which is the war vibe , right ? I'm against you .
Speaker 2My group is against you . My tribe , my whatever , my club , my religion , right .
Speaker 1So ? So we emphasize
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Speaker 1separateness yep , or how about this ? You talk about this ? You've given me the language or we over emphasize , emphasize sameness into mimic , and both are extremes . Both are extremes . Then we're assimilate , be like everyone else , yep , you know , walk with the same beat Everyone , right ? So either ultra-separateness , which pulls us into the war vibe , and mimic , pulls us into sleepwalking yes , we go to sleep , we go into , and you know , psychologically , depression , anxiety , mood disorders , because our uniqueness , our emotions , which is what makes us unique , which create , which draw our life story , is what we feel , which create which draw our life story is what we feel .
Speaker 1So I think what we're proposing in the book but I've always heard you propose it is this idea of that balance of we are all human and we all have the birthright of worthiness . And once we know that , check it out , once we're securely attached psychologically , once we're in healed root chakra with belonging , safety and security , we can go explore our uniqueness . It's so psychological , it's secure attachment at its best .
Speaker 2Yes , that's such a good way to put it and I love that phrase . Secure attachment . It just , it changes everything for me because I've even the phrase has helped me to realize where I wasn't securely attached and even for me , it's made me aware of the opposite , of that Like oh , wow , all these places where I was trying to go to the external world to feel secure , instead of I love the way you say docked into my own root chakra , and to me it's docked . That's how we dock into like source , because it's from the inside out . You know what I mean . Even in spirituality , I often have , like had this little bit of a snarl around how it's often talked about as like inviting the light in from above or like out . It's this idea of like some light coming to you , but the way that I feel is like it's from the heart out , like the source is in . Here . We're not getting something from external from us , although there is the external as well and we can also get fed from the external , but the the deepest docking in is being , in the end , being docked into the internal . It's like from the inside out .
Speaker 2And that , for me , was a game changer , because I I grew up sort of thinking of God as somewhere out there and I had to find the right religion , cause that was big around me . Who's the true church ? You know what's the true church , what's the true philosophy ? So for I spent years and years looking out there and then it was what , oh what political party is the right one , and what clubs the right one , and what you know like . It's all this external which is so about mimic , and it's it's how the culture war , which I think is what we're in majorly , it's it's part of how we get in that division that you talked about , where we see ourselves separate , and there's something about from the inside out that really docks us into individuality and the way that source , or God , or whatever you want to call it , is expressed through us uniquely , which is what the world wants . We wouldn't even be here . I mean , think about the evolution of you . I mean think about the evolution of you All , the history that had to happen for you to be here .
Speaker 2We are so valuable and we're keys , we're like cornerstones for heaven on earth , but we devalue all that , thinking that , oh , I'm worthless and there's nothing within me and I got to find everything outside of me , to make me worthy , you know , be right or be good or whatever . And I think even right now , with the culture wars , there's this emphasis on I hope I'm not going out into the weeds too much , but it feels relevant to what we're saying but there's this emphasis on being right . You know , being in the right group , being in the right political party , being having the right philosophy , having the right theology , whatever it is like . That's what makes you worthy . You're only worthy if you believe it this way , or see it through this lens , or join this political party or this church or this group . And I think it throws us way off , it gets us into mimic , which is what you were bringing up . It's what we go to sleep and we just go to war .
Speaker 1Yes , mimic , and assimilation right , that goes hand in hand , and I think what you just described is actually the history of humanity , which is are we with the right group ? Are we assimilating ? Because if you don't , there is a high price to pay or in the path there really , really , really has been , but that serves a particular type of system that doesn't want you to be docked in . Listen , I don't want to talk a lot in sort of defiance , or it's more like how about this ? We can bring it back to the subtitle transforming humanity's algorithm . And , amanda , you were one of the first people who really I mean , when you said it , it was in me , like I just felt like this , all my chakras lit up , which is we have to love our humanity , because what we're doing is hating our humanity . Yes , and I think part of what's happening , even though and I really want the audience to hear this I know it feels really scary and turbulent , because any towers falling always you know , if you've been in therapy , y'all .
Speaker 1There's some tunnels that we now we got to go spelunking . There's a lot of beliefs that are dismantled about the self , about your family , about your culture . Lot of beliefs that are dismantled about the self , about your family , about your culture . The middle part not easy , not pretty . It's pretty messy , right , but it is like a childbirth . Childbirth is messy . So what do you do in childbirth ? We breathe . We get support . Yep , right , we do it together . Someone's telling us to breathe and push , and I think that's what . That's what we're doing . We're birthing . And I think part of at least in my purview , I think there's lots of us who believe this that the way we've been doing it , based on domination , based on superior , inferior , based on if you don't mimic , you will pay a very high price . And it's funny , because the age of Aquarius is all about individuality and innovation . So I think we are going into a new era , at least , where you and I are promoting hey , we need to come together into loving our humanity because , hello , yep , we're all human .
Speaker 2Yes , yes , starting with our own humanity , because I think often , especially when we're in turbulent , divisive times , it's hard to tell someone , especially when you're feeling injustice , to say , oh , just love the people or the group or the whatever that you feel like is causing all this pain . It's completely different when you talk , when you bring humanity into the equation , and your humanity first and foremost . What like being so respectful of your humanity ? Because that is the tech , and I feel like we have not understood how our human tech works and we've just been kind of taking a dump on ourselves . That's how I feel Like . I feel like we have not .
Speaker 2I've been talking about this a lot lately , but in the book the richest man in Babylon , which has the five laws of gold in it , one of them is I can't remember exactly how it's worded but basically , if you want it , like you , basically keep your gold with people who are wise in the keeping of gold Like you don't . You don't share your gold with people who don't know how to take care of gold , and for me , the gold is the human heart , and I think for yourself to be wise in the keeping of the heart and to be wise , that's , that's being wise in the keeping of your human tech , because that's what we are , that's what we have to work with . So if we're not wise in the keeping of our gold , we lose it . Like you said , we go into debt going .
Speaker 1We give it away freely . Yes , um , and I had to write down . You always like , you always just pop my brain , I love it , I love it so much . So , okay , yeah , one of the things you know , I was thinking the age of Aquarius is all about technology , to like innovation . Innovation and we're going to go into . It's going to be quantum , it's going to be so fast we're going to , it's going to hit the ground running .
Speaker 1But get this , amanda , because the way that it was , like the , the hit that I got that I , I think you're gonna appreciate fully is it's human technology , too , that's going to hit the ground running . Yes , it is psychic abilities , like , because that's that's what you and I emphasize is our human operating systems . We're going to know about them more than ever , and in my last podcast , I did this two-part series on the era of emotions and talking about it as an operating system that we did not come in with manual . So we're spastically emoting and empaths in particular . So we're spastically emoting and empaths in particular , but once , this is what emotional intelligence is all about and , by the way , this is the type of leaders that actual 3D companies and firms , since the pandemic , has been asking for now is the empathic leader .
Speaker 1Yes , who gets their people .
Speaker 2Who gets humanity ? Yes , Someone who understands humanity . That's what the world has been lacking in in terms of leadership , Not to say that there's never been a leader that gets it . But I'm talking about what you're talking about , which is our true tech , which includes the psychic aspect of us , which includes that we're creators . It's what separates us from AI , and we're going to start seeing as AI comes into the picture more and more . I think we're going to start understanding , on a level that we never have , the value of humanity . It's going to force us to start understanding the difference and the value of it and craving it and urging and urging for it urging urging .
Speaker 2There's nothing like it and there's nothing like true human intimacy . There's nothing like just the , the , the spontaneous moment that's not prerecorded , that's not done purely through an algorithm , like there's something about the spirit of life that we channel that's uniquely human , that I feel like that is what the Renaissance is about , is like humanity is coming online .
Speaker 1Yes , and we'll see it , and I want to ask people to keep tracking it . Yes , one of the things that I emphasize and I love this . I love this so much because , again , it was a download . Thank you , thank you , spirit Like emotions are the true universal language .
Speaker 1So you speak Turkish and I don't . We get grief over losing a parent , no matter what country you're from , and this is where humanity will come together . We get romance , we get being in love , we get shame . All of us , all over the globe , get abandonment . So the more we know about that tech , about that operating system , and guess who could be pros at it .
Speaker 2Empath . Exactly , that's the key the empath .
Speaker 1So let's get back to this whole idea about empath , leadership , right , and it starts with everything that you teach , and certainly in psychologically , what most therapists teach . But when we talk about it in terms of leadership , right , when you dock into your root chakra and that means that you're sacral and you're solar and then we start moving into the heart , right , imagine when we realign our chakras , when we and for those of you who don't know chakras , it doesn't matter , it's just a visual , just just think of it as a visual of all these beautiful discs coming back into formation , where we become holistically aligned mind , body , spirit , heart . There's so much empowerment when we can see that you are you and I am me , because I have my preference and therefore I can respect yours , because , see the moment that I validate my own preference , I get it . Yes , I emotionally get it , I get it . Of course , I get your preference . I don't have to fight your preference . Exactly , Exactly .
Speaker 1So , amanda , in talking about tech , can we talk about the heart , because one of the things that people get confused about empaths and about the book , and if we use corporate language because I had to lose some use some 3D corporate language in terms of the leadership model that I am proposing . Which , in terms of the leadership model that I am proposing , these aren't soft skills . Yeah , are we just going to sit around and sing Kumbaya together ? Because if you've ever seen an empath witness injustice , it is like lightning bolts . Yes , the empath is fierce , fierce , ferocious , yep , fearless . Yes , if they're witnessing an injustice anywhere . So are we hardwired for harmony , for heaven on earth , for knowing that our power and our uniqueness comes from our , our knowing , and not bypassing our emotions , not bypassing or putting into the shadow our emotions , cause I tend to believe that that's where war comes from . Yes , if we are bypassing our rage , our vengeance , our shame , all we're doing is spewing it , imploding or exploding . We're spewing our vengeance , we're spewing our rigidity . I think that's where the war vibe comes from .
Speaker 1It's bypassing our own emotions . I agree bypassing our , our own emotions . I agree , uh , and if anyone has had to navigate their emotions , you'll know that is not for the meek . And if you've had to handle other people's emotions and give it space and give it witness , as you would call it , this is not for the meek . So please do not be fooled . I always say there's a chapter I have which is like kind but not stupid .
Speaker 2Yes , I love that , I love that .
Speaker 1Empaths are kind but not stupid . We're actually talking about a set of gifts that we come hard wired with , that we have used into depletion and into debt by serving , by codependent on energetics that we are now going to transmute , transform into evolution as we become leaders . Yes , say one thing and then I want you to . And leadership everyone doesn't mean that you're the leader of all things or leader a CEO . Everyone doesn't mean that you're the leader of all things or leader a ceo . It can just mean that you are the one in your lineage that says I'm healing , I'm no longer doing this generational trauma . It could just be you in your home . Yes , yes , the book isn't talking about like , go out and lead the masses . Maybe people want that . If they want to start a podcast , fine , but we're talking about sovereignty .
Speaker 2Yes , leadership from within , like I think gosh , you just said so much that my , of course , how we do my brain is like yes , yes , yes , yes , yes . And when you were talking about the fierceness of an empath and thatitation makes a whip . He was planning on it . He makes a whip and he goes into the temple and he starts driving out everybody who's selling things in the temple . And I was thinking also , for some reason these are the things that came into my mind that the anger there flipping over tables , but it's controlled anger . I once heard someone talk about this and it's an author , but he was saying that even in the Bible , for whatever reason , the author puts in there's birds and Jesus is like take these birds out of here because he didn't , he wasn't , it wasn't just like rage , uncontrolled , it was controlled , intentional , strategic rage . That's , to me , the power and the other part that's what happens when we're in leadership to me it's calibrated , calibrated .
Speaker 1I keep saying we're the DJ . Part of like the healing is that we know our emotions so well , even our grossest . I just did a post on vengeance . It's like because we feel vengeance , we want vengeance . Sometimes , when we calibrate like a DJ , then we regulate .
Speaker 2Yes , yes , and there's a place for it . The other thing that I thought of when you were saying that Jesus came up both times , which of course cause he's the ultimate empath , I feel like he's the , the blueprint um in terms of human tech , but the the other thing I saw was how it the Bible talks about people not being able to get near him . Like people would crowd around him but there would always be sort of a they couldn't touch him and often he would feel people and he would go like . On one verse I just read this the other day , which is strange because I haven't been reading the Bible at all , but I I was reading it the other day and it says the people were gathering around him and he went and got on a boat to get a , to get a distance , and then taught from there . But there's always this like people couldn't touch him , and that's why they say when he was arrested , he he knew , knew he , he allowed it because people couldn't get near him otherwise . And this is what I feel like .
Speaker 2That's when you're in your , in your sovereignty , it's you don't have to , because empaths worry about your feel often like they get taken over by things , and so we feel like we have to hide from things , but he also fully emotive , like he would cry when he'd witness things about the people , like he would cry when he'd witness things about the people , and I just feel like there's something powerful in in allowing emotion . There's no , it's not this . Like I'm above emotion , I don't feel anything . It's like this is the tech we're talking about . The emotions actually create boundaries , like they , they , they , actually they . They create a whole vibe that , I think , empower us in every way . Every emotion it doesn't matter what it is , whether it's rage or joy- it can .
Speaker 1It's for us Like if we do in here and now , moment , look , feel us like , feel of , like how passionate we feel , how passionate we feel about what we're discussing . It adds this amazing flavor that also and I can energetically feel the audience , by the way like , I can energetically feel us all all here , like we're something in Spanish we would say , which means the penny drops , and I think it is in English . I love that . The penny drops and Amanda hold on .
Speaker 1You've talked a lot about anger and anger and I really want to be specific with everyone , because there is so much war vibe as part of the history of humanity since the beginning . I really like to be very clear , especially as a therapist as well . Anger is also a useful emotion because , of course , all emotions are loaded with information and , as we know this language that is inside of us , the universal language of emotions , we find that anger is bringing a message of some sort a no , a stop , a boundary . I like to say the empath has a spear . We don't attack with the spear out here , we place it in the ground . We just say a big no . And the one thing I want to say to empaths , who always judge themselves when they're angry is listen .
Speaker 1By the time you're feeling angry , remember empaths will pass every exit . They'll be like well , but they're traumatized too well , can I see their point of view ? They'll pass a whole bunch of exits , seeing the other's point of view , getting into the other's shoes . Which are skills ? Those are gifts , by the way , in leadership yep wanting to actually resolve conflict .
Speaker 1So those are exits . By the time the empath as a parent , as a friend , as a lover , as a citizen reaches anger , listen .
Speaker 2Yes , yes .
Speaker 1Listen to what boundary needs to be placed . Pero ya , which means now , yes , empaths , don't be ashamed or put that back into the shadow . Um , we're not saying go go out and act out on it . On the contrary , it's like what is this ?
Speaker 2ask it the questions yes , it has so much data . Such data , yep so much .
Speaker 1Yes , amanda , can we talk about the kind heart a little bit ? Yes , that just leads us into that's the bridge between healing ourselves and into actually going out into the world . And so your descriptions of of jesus and what I put in that chapter was this idea of we commit a hundred percent to the kind heart , because otherwise we will become automatic , we will sleepwalk , we will get go into non-humanity . But for the empath , for any of you who are afraid of opening up the heart because we'll get invaded which we have been is we have parameters and perimeters that we choose , which is what you describe as preference .
Speaker 1Can you talk about a little bit about the kind heart ?
Speaker 2Yeah , yeah , you know when you , when you say the kind heart , what I heard in my mind , what I think about is the restored heart , because I do believe that historically we've our hearts have been broken , we've been shattered , we've been split , the war has completely , we've sacrificed our humanity . And remember the the most quintessential aspect of our humanity is our heart . If the heart stops , we die . It's like all things come from the heart . It's the first organ that's formed Like . It is the center , literally , of who we are as humanity , and our hearts have been broken and we have been operating as a species from that broken place . And even the Bible calls it like a hardened heart , like when your heart gets hard , and it talks about removing the heart of stone and getting a heart of flesh , a heart that's tender .
Speaker 2You know , that to me , is what it's all about the restored heart . And I don't believe we can have a restored heart if we're not first reconciled to our own humanity , to who we are , to what we are and to what we come from . And I do believe , I do believe we are , we were created and we are creators , and that's a huge part of what we've been at war with in our humanity Because the story has brought pain and things we've created have brought pain , and so we've been sort of at war with the fact that we create and that we are created . You know , I really believe that's why there's a war on humanity , because there's a wound . So , to me , the kind heart being absolutely committed and devoted to the kind heart , is being committed to the restored heart , to the restoration of our whole heart and to having a tender heart rather than a hardened heart . That , to me , is where it comes from . It'll break you wide open , it's not . That's why empaths struggle .
Speaker 1It's like it's not always fun to feel everything , it's especially if we don't feel empowered at all , but it is because the heart , oh my God , amanda letanda , let me just say like , let me just drop into the now moment and be like when you said restored heart , I I just , I just felt like goosebumps and again it's what I experienced when I first heard you so many years ago . It's this , something just happens all throughout my body and my heart . I felt like a little ache because it's like , oh , of course , like what you're saying , of course , imagine who we are all in the small , small in the all , when we've been hurt , when we've been heartbroken . The next relationship , poor person , right ? Yes , exactly , because we're either going to be raging at them and this is what humanity does . This is just so brilliant . Like I just love the idea and maybe we can work on adding that to the chapter on the kind heart is talking about the restoration , because it's not just the kind heart .
Speaker 1I think we are born , our operating system starts with the kind heart and then it gets raped and violated and invaded and taken over and we're serving the master , and that's why empaths are like are you kidding me ? I've got to go into my closet and hide while I'm shaking and build boats and put alligators in the river and like , of course we're at war . Yes , let's validate that . Let's validate that for humanity . Of course we're at war , of course we're hypervigilant . We are in complete trauma as a humanity and as the individual . Everything's the same , everything's the same . So , amanda , we have to go in and rewrite that chapter please , because it's the kind heart , but it's the restored heart . The restored heart , yeah , and it has to have a perimeter , not a moat . Yes , just our own little perimeter .
Speaker 2The hardened heart when we're in survival mode and we're serving the system and we're in the matrix of lack , it's self-perpetuating . That's why I call it the extinction program , because we cannot survive Again . If our hearts stop , we die . If we kill out , if we numb out the heart , we harden the heart . Humanity ceases to what makes us human ceases to exist , so that I think it's it's just essential to have a tender heart rather than a hard heart , a hardened heart .
Speaker 1But that's scary , right . And a tender heart . That is true . And tenderness is true . Intimacy You've seen everything I post on Instagram .
Speaker 1For those of you who think it might be weird , but actually I'm posting about the tenderness between humans , between children , between animals , that this is part of our operating system . Period . We cannot lose tenderness , we cannot lose it . But if we are more evolved , we know our preferences , which are our parameters . So , like you said , what did you say ?
Speaker 1Like the gold , the , the , the human keeping the heart of gold , like who we place our heart with and we can hold an open heart for humanity . Right , there is a perimeter and it's I , I liken it to , like when we were kids , where we would like draw an outside circle and color inside . We do , we do get to vet . It's like . It's like we do get to say listen , in order for you to come into my heart , I need you to , let's say , be loyal or be tender . I need sweetness in the home . You get to say , in order for you to come into this home , to my heart , home , now that I know myself , now that I've healed first part of the book , now that I've explored my operating system , now that I know my emotions . That's why the healing of humanity and of ourselves is so essential .
Speaker 2Yes , yes .
Speaker 1Before we move out there . This is the time , this is the era .
Speaker 2this is why empaths the restored , the empowered empath is so important . Yes , essential it's . It's essential , it is . I really do see the restored heart , the restored and the empowered empath , the leadership that it is . That's why it's the leadership of humanity . It's because it I almost feel like we've been , we've had a surrogate mother , which is like the , the mimic program , the AI system . It's like the info's there but there's not the intimacy . It's lacking intimacy and the intimacy is so quintessential to who we are . So that's why it has to emerge , it has to come forth in order for humanity to not just survive but to thrive . That has to come online fully , and I love what you said about the parameters of it .
Speaker 2Like we can have a tender heart and in fact it is the tenderness going back to that vision of Jesus , like his heart was tender and it created boundaries , literally , like his fierceness , his protection , his absolute commitment to humanity and the heart of humanity and humanity being restored and understanding what it is like . That was it like being restored to the father , being restored to who we actually truly are . That was , that was what he was fierce about and I feel like that is the . That's the leadership of humanity , right there , and it does create boundaries , I guess is what I'm saying Like tenderness itself , allowing our hearts to be tender , shows us where our boundaries are , because when your heart's tender you can feel , when there's like that density where you're like . That's why it gives you discernment . I think the tender heart is the key to discernment .
Speaker 1Yes , yes , yes , yes , Discover , discern , decide Like that . Those are like my triple D's . I use it like front and cheek like triple .
Speaker 2Ds .
Speaker 1And and let me see you were just saying something that felt really good . Okay , yes , so , and I want to be really clear that I'm in no war , vibiness , it's just sort of stating what we've been under , which is centuries , right Millennia , of being under systems or being raised in systems , that we're doing it without heart , because in order to be at war , in order to have enemies , we can't have heart . We must demean , we must feel superior to others , we must have them be inferior , we must and this is in general , whether I mean , however you want to play it out , whether it's masculine , feminine , whatever you know choose and pick the wars that we've been in . We must say that this religion is better , like , we must demean in the superior , inferior , uh , paradigm . And it cannot . We listen , we can't kill , torture , demean , subjugate anything , anyone , even animals , if we have a heart , exactly not possible . It can't coexist .
Speaker 1So , and even you know , even in corporate world , we've just been under this veil of heartlessness throughout the book , that the underbelly and the counter wave to sort of heartless systems , heartless without a heart , is that humans care . Yes , so , even through all of this millennia of humanity being in sort of under heartless war , vibiness , less of heart . I really want to say it like that is the fact that humans have cared . Humans have brought refugees in . Humans have cared for someone who broke their leg right .
Speaker 1We talked about the quote that was attributed to Margaret Mead . I'm not even sure if it's accurate , but the idea that the broken femur was a sign of care because someone had to help the human with the broken femur , and it's not even love . We don't have to know people . Paramedics don't know people . We don't know people . When we stand up for an older woman to sit on the bus , humans have in their operating system this hair code which has kept us alive . Yes , in spite of these systems right that work through the heart , it is what will continue to keep us alive , which is why the heart , emphasizing the heart , in the times that we're moving into , we're going back to the times , and you've been . You've been beating this drum . How long have you been beating this drum , amanda ?
Speaker 1Like 10 years , now 10 years now , yeah , we have to awaken the heart , honor the heart , and I think what the book is adding and what you and I are adding is like we get it empaths , we know you've been violated , don't worry , we get it . Yeah , and this is where we add the restored heart . Yes , parameters , perimeters and preference .
Speaker 2Yes , I love that , I love that .
Speaker 1Yeah , we're not saying go out there and give away your heart Like right , deplete your heart .
Speaker 2That's not what we're saying and we're not talking about self-sacrifice . I think that's a big thing that we're not talking about sacrifice at all . Like it's not . It's not unless you want to talk about which again , I don't know why these all these biblical things are coming to me , but being a living sacrifice , which is different , it's completely different . You know , it's like . To me , being a living sacrifice is being alive day to day and dying every day , like every day . Having a heart . It's like it will hurt . That's just part of it . You know what I mean . Like it that's . It's this incredible palette that we have that we can feel everything from from joy and ecstasy and pleasure and intensity to sorrow and pain and grief and hopelessness . But that's part of it , you know . Like that's part of being alive , and I think that there's something about learning how to work with our operating system , with those emotions . That's
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Speaker 1And that's what , out in the 3D world , we're calling emotional intelligence , which is what leadership paradigms are asking for more than ever . But , amanda , let me just say something because you've been saying it forever that part of our operating system is that the empath is the one because of our ability . This is really hard for me , even though I'm a master witnesser . You are really hard for me , even even though I'm a master witnesser , you are , I , I really am . It's part of all my psychic prowess is to be able to pain and you know , and giving up on the vow , I will suffer until there is no suffering . It's more like I will alchemize . I will use my operating system , my vessel , to alchemize what's happening , and that's where it's really pressing on me .
Speaker 1I went and got my nails done yesterday and one of the there were these group of nail technicians . They all sat around me and they were showing me stuff and one of them , from Vietnam , was showing me pictures of abused animals and I just remember like almost shutting down because my heart I just started to , because she's been giving so much money in Vietnam that doesn't really honor this , and she showed me pictures of the animals getting operations and healing and care . So she's been sending a ton of money to these shelters in Vietnam and I had a lot of experiences , but I want to share it . One of them . I thought oh you , little empath leader .
Speaker 2Yeah , yeah .
Speaker 1And this is one of the ways I was like you empath leader . And this is one of the ways I was like you empath leader Because she's looking at these pictures that I could barely . I started crying , basically At the table . I just started crying . I couldn't bear it . And then I thought , claudia , because I thought of you too alchemize , transmute this , witness what she's doing , right Witness , because my heart is so tender .
Speaker 1Yeah , when it comes to animals and children , like it is it is , each of us has a place that we have a hard time witnessing . For me it's , you know , but I I dock in . I cried and they cried , so we all cried as I'm getting my nails done and I was like , here we are coming together as a group when three or more are gathered . This is all empath stuff when people want to know what we're meaning . This is a now moment experience of what's happening . We all cried . There she is out doing her empath leadership and I was just like docking right now , because I'm surrounded by loving angels who are doing this work on the planet and help transmute and alchemize this . I know this is a little bit of a tangent , but it's actually a concrete day to day example . Yes , bit of a tangent , but it's actually a concrete , day-to-day example for those of us who are afraid to feel of how we can do it and how we can do it in communion , Exactly .
Speaker 2I love that . I love that example and I love that you brought up witness , which I think is a great place to probably like tie this up , because I think we've been talking for quite a while . But I feel like witness is is one of the primary energies that sets us free , that actually helps restore the heart , because the story has to be witnessed . We are storytellers . We story is like it's innate to the human heart . Story is what makes us human , the stories we tell , the meaning we give things . And I really believe we're at speaking of where we started here , the times we're in . We are at the arc of humanity's story , where humanity is doing something different . We are testament to that .
Speaker 2We are choosing something different than we've done in the past . We're choosing to choose to do an anomaly and get out of war and mimic , regardless of what the system's choosing and it will fall , as you said , because it's unsustainable but the individual there's so many individuals who are choosing anomaly and a big part of that in order . What you did in that moment is you witnessed and in that witness , in that witness , you not only were able to create communion but you truly did alchemize that energy of trauma in that moment . And that is to me where all the power is . That's where the power is , it truly is in witness . I don't think without witness we would have a restored heart , we could have a restored heart , because you can't , you can't restore your heart If you can't first witness where the trauma has been and where the pain has been .
Speaker 1Yes , and the invitation here is let's not do it alone . And I think when you said and let's , let's , yeah , I , I , I wanted to for us to have you know , support my podcast , which is the heaven on earth podcast . Um , which obviously is not about bypassing anything , um , the messaging of I don't you know , history will not repeat itself . Yeah , this is that we're having an explosion of evolution and consciousness and and connectivity . The internet has connected , like we see everything happening everywhere now , all the time , and I happen to be a real believer , so this would be one of my heaven on earth messages . I wanted to ask you for one or for several is .
Speaker 1History will not repeat itself because we are too conscious as a humanity at this point . It doesn't mean that it doesn't look like the formula is playing out Like . Oh my God , is the formula playing out like it always has ? And in every experiment , when one little variable changes , the whole experiment is different . The whole thing changes and we are connected through the internet . Everyone's seeing what's happening on the other side of the globe here and we saw it , you know , we've been seeing this . These are the times we're in and there is my heaven on earth message is healing through witness , through the awakened heart , and the restored heart is the variable . These are the variables that will not allow history to repeat itself Exactly .
Speaker 2Yes , yes , I love that , I love that . And there's something that you said in that , like the internet , has given us the opportunity to witness in a way that we never have , in a way that we never have to share , and to witness and witness is it does bring light to things . When you were talking about if you change one variable in an experiment , I thought about the observer , how that we know that the observer changes the experiment . So , going all the way back to like to me part of heaven on earth for humans , for me individually and for human beings , is that we are creators and that we make meaning . So when we give it a different meaning , it changes inevitably changes inevitably .
Speaker 1You are just brilliant . I just feel like I've known you , I like listen to you all the time and it's like the codes keep dropping and this idea let's end with this . What do you think , amanda ? Let's end with Renaissance . Yes , let's end with Renaissance and heaven on earth . Renaissance and heaven on earth . And let's be clear , I say this on my podcast , listen y'all . Heaven on earth isn't spiritually , emotionally , bypassing anything that's hard . On the contrary , it is living in death and rebirth in Scorpio season , meaning that we are dying to parts of the shadow , parts of ourselves that are no longer sustainable , whether that be in the individual or the collective .
Speaker 1And we are rebirthing ourselves , which is exactly what Renaissance means in French , renaissance means to be reborn . It is a resurrection . If we go spiritually , yes , we are in the process and it's messy , it is messy , it is chaotic , chaotic , but there's order that comes after chaos . That's that's very whole yep um and renaissance . So notice , like if I'm going to give any directives , notice the part of you that even in the chaos , we urging . We are urging for art , for music , for times of eating meals together , for music and for I'd like to really , really ask people . There's a word called paranoia , and paranoia is to look . Instead of paranoia , it's pronoia , isn't pronoia ? Isn't it gorgeous , isn't that ? I love it ? It's looking for the places in the world where things are getting better , where people do come together . There's crisis , humanity does come together . Can you track that ? So that's my heaven on earth . Oh , I love it . How about ?
Speaker 1you amen any words on renaissance ?
Speaker 2um , yes , I mean I guess I would . I would just input and add and end that renaissance . I love that you brought up rebirth , it's's . To me it's taking all of that equation that we've had of the war and the trauma and that it's the alchemy that you talked about . It's . What do we do with all that is ?
Speaker 2And I keep getting the message that , regardless of what is , I'm going to use all of it , like all of its fuel . All of it is energy . Energy is energy , like all of its fuel . All of it is energy . Energy is energy , whether we categorize it as good or bad or whatever . It's all energy . And so , knowing that I have the power to use all things , all things , you know , all things for heaven on earth , all things like it , we don't have to separate from it , we don't have to even categorize it , it's just like yes , it's energy and I will use it and it's there's something about . To me , the Renaissance goes hand in hand with being a creator and that's why it's like . So I feel like the collective urge under humanity is we are urging for art , we are urging for , like the arc of the story and we're urging for storytellers . This is why I feel such like a connection to storytellers , writers , actors , people who tell stories for humanity , and even comedians . I've been hearing so strongly that comedians are needed right now .
Speaker 2Oh yeah , oh yeah . Comedians are needed , Like to tell there's something that when you can invoke communion in people without bypassing all that is like use it all . I feel like I , like I want to the call of arms , specifically to the artists and to the creators . You know , I just feel like you are so important right now and we need storytellers that that can , that can just tell the human story , you know , outside of the division , outside of having an agenda , Like I'm going to tell the story so that people agree with my philosophy , but humanity is so incredible , Like I just feel like that's why humanity always wins , that's why the stories about humanity are always stranger than fiction .
Speaker 2And so they always say you know what I mean , Like truth is stranger than fiction . We don't need like what we have within us is so much greater than anything that we could catastrophize about , like Armageddon , or I feel like we've been telling these same stories for so long . But the arc is happening and I do believe there's creators that have the blueprint to see that story and that's what I would say about the Renaissance is , I can feel the creations that are coming , even on a bigger scale , and I I just feel like yes , go take it . Go like like , because it's going to change the world forever it is , and here we are , anyone who's listening .
Speaker 1If you were born in this time , you were born in this time , um , and I hope you feel I mean for me , amanda was a call to arms . Amanda's presence as a creator , just her beingness , and I think beingness is creation . But I just , we just hope , right , amanda and the other co-authors , that the book be a place that you could feel some rumbling , some , some pops , some glitter , some bubbles happening inside of you .
Speaker 2Yes , yes , amen . I'm excited . So , for anyone watching , just keep your eye out . I will , of course , let you know as as it is , we know further what the dates are , but I will let you know when the book is released and I cannot wait to introduce you to the other coauthors as well and the overall , just the overall message of the book . I feel like the time is now . It's so ripe , it's so mathematically aligned and , yeah , I'm , I just can't wait . I'm so excited for it . Thank you , claudia . Thank you so much for this conversation and for everything that you offer . Thank you for your dream of this book and the fact that you brought it to fruition and , yes , I feel so grateful .
Speaker 1Thank you and I just love , I just love doing this with you , just being in your field and you know lovemaking like we're talking about , lovemaking through connecting with our mind , body , spirit .
Speaker 2Yes , thank you , you're welcome . Thank you , I love you . I love you . Bye .