Feeling like an outsider is something we all have experienced at some point in our lives. This episode is a testament to our journey towards self-discovery, and we invite you to share in our revelations. We talk about embracing our own weirdness, finding authenticity in a world that often categorizes us as 'too much,' and empowering ourselves by choosing to belong - first and foremost to ourselves.
We discuss the importance of vulnerability, the courage it takes to be brave and take control, and the positive ripples these steps can have on your journey. We also delve into being your authentic self and the balance of finding a tribe while staying true to oneself. So, tune in and join us as we dance to the rhythm of our wonderfully weird selves, unapologetically.
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Feeling like an outsider is something we all have experienced at some point in our lives. This episode is a testament to our journey towards self-discovery, and we invite you to share in our revelations. We talk about embracing our own weirdness, finding authenticity in a world that often categorizes us as 'too much,' and empowering ourselves by choosing to belong - first and foremost to ourselves.
We discuss the importance of vulnerability, the courage it takes to be brave and take control, and the positive ripples these steps can have on your journey. We also delve into being your authentic self and the balance of finding a tribe while staying true to oneself. So, tune in and join us as we dance to the rhythm of our wonderfully weird selves, unapologetically.
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Welcome to the flipped mindset podcast. Hi, I'm Janet, hi I'm Kelly. Welcome to our podcast, where we believe that you change your mindset, you change your life and, as you can tell, I have a special guest today. I have my friend, my very good friend, kelly. Hi, kelly Hi, I am so freaking excited to have you on today. I love your energy.
Speaker 2:Thank you, I was nervous. I still am, but we'll be fine.
Speaker 1:We'll be fine. We worked through it, yeah, so it's normal to be nervous, but we're doing it anyway, right, yeah, power through, power through. Thank God. Yeah, welcome to my world. Every time I'm recording this, but we get into it and it's fun, so all right. So today, our topic we're going to be talking about fitting in versus belonging, which I think is a really good topic. I was trying to come up with something like fun for it, but I couldn't think of anything Like a title. Yeah, we'll figure it out.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, we'll have to brainstorm.
Speaker 1:We'll brainstorm on it. It'll come to us. Yeah, because fitting in versus belonging. So I think we talked about this before but, like the Bernay Brown, she brings that up in her book and then also in that talk she does on Netflix about fitting in for belonging. So do you want to go into it or do you want me to?
Speaker 2:Yeah. So I mean I can kind of go into it if you don't mind. So basically, like when I heard her talking about this, it really hit home for me because, like with me when I grew up, I was just constantly feeling like I was like the brunt of people's jokes and like I wasn't really able to fit in with the full group. Like I was always kind of outcasted and if I was brought in it was always like the last pick of the litter, if you will. And so I've always just felt like it's been really hard to actually be myself and like belong in the group.
Speaker 2:And so, like I've been diving really deep into like Bernay's stuff and she encourages like vulnerability, almost as like a superpower.
Speaker 2:And then she like really hit home the point of like when you are trying to fit in, you're actually doing the opposite of belonging, because you're taking that away from like belonging within yourself and like, if you're belonging, it's actually the opposite of fitting in, because if you have to fit in with other people then you're not being yourself. So it's like kind of like that mask and I really just felt that really deep in, really deep in my soul because I was like oh, that's what I've been doing Literally my whole life, and so I was kind of feeling like a lot of guilt and stuff behind it and it just like made me realize that I was doing it from like survivalistic standpoint. So that kind of helped free that up a little bit. But yeah, so I just had a hard time like really trying to fit in with others, and then it kind of allowed more freedom for me. So does that like resonate with you or it does?
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was it was a powerful. Whenever I saw that with Bernay Brown as well and like, from my point of view, like what I got from it is like, yeah, when you fit in, you're editing yourself to fit in to somebody else's view of you versus belonging is I get to be me, I don't have to edit me and I belong just as I am. So like you're talking about being able to be our true selves. So, yeah, I totally resonate with that, Because I was the same as you. I was always like I never fit in. I never felt like I fit in. I was always the last pick of the litter kind of you know. So it's nice to now, at this state of my life, to be where I can. Like I lean more into the not fitting in. So I'll find where I belong and if as long as I can be, then I'm okay.
Speaker 1:where I'm at, I don't have to fit in, so you know.
Speaker 2:I feel really tense with this talk. I'm not going to lie, I don't know how to make it flow more. That's all right, we'll just keep talking.
Speaker 1:So but I'll share my story because that's kind of what got us into, what we decided that this was going to be our thing. And so, like last year, I went to a women's retreat and when I went to the women's retreat I didn't fit in, Like I was kind of left out. You know, they kind of forgot about me a few times on the different things that we're doing and things like that. So it was kind of a pivotal moment for me of because most of my life I've always been trying to fit in and kind of almost put my worth in. I you know I'm only worthy if I fit in, if people accept me. Right, They've got to accept me, they got to this kind of thing.
Speaker 1:So in that weekend I decided to lean into the not fitting it. So I was like I don't want to fit in, I don't want to change who I am fundamentally, to try to fit in with people that don't want to yet to know me, that don't want to figure out who I am right and not making me a part of things. So I didn't want to fit into that, I didn't want to mold myself to that. That's an energy I didn't want. So it was kind of neat to kind of set back and go. You know what. I'm not going to let it bother me, I'm just going to do my thing and then I'm going to leave and I'm going to just lean into not fitting in. It was kind of liberating in a way, to just kind of be like I don't have to play along.
Speaker 1:I don't have to. I didn't have to fit in, so it just allowed me more room to be myself. It was really awesome. It was kind of nice to walk away from that. All right, cool.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean that is really amazing that you're able to do something like that. Like it's not easy to be able to go off on your own in the midst of going to an actual women's retreat where you're supposed to be included. Like it's kind of the point and then like still kind of feeling like you're outcasted and the fact that you're able to come into that and actually like decide otherwise, like I feel like a lot of people don't actually know or understand that is that we have choice, we have the freedom to be able to choose, but we've been conditioned and taught otherwise that half of the time we're just in our brain and we don't even understand or know that we even have an option because we don't have that awareness. And so being able to have that awareness and bring it in is pretty amazing and like that's really brave. Like I'm still so like amazed that you did that portion and do your own thing and still have fun and make the most of it while you have these other women over.
Speaker 2:Like a lot of people would just like sit back and they would watch, like all these other women, and they would just be like and then they'd be sad and they would just be like a roller coaster of like emotions going downhill. But like you completely chose otherwise and like, wow, I still can't. I don't know if I could have done that, you know, but you are so strong and that's amazing that you were able to come out of that. But like it really teaches you something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, like you said, it's all about choice and that's realizing we have a choice. And then I had to have that conversation with myself. You know, I did get irritated, I did have those emotions. So I'm not going to say like no, I didn't, I'm just like you know. No, I had to work through them and I had a conversation with myself and was like hey, we can either do this where we get emotionally upset and have a really crappy time, or we can decide that of what do we want out of this weekend? And to me, part of that was my life. You know, what am I learning from this? This is a lesson for me to learn that I don't have to fit in all the time and that I can still have a good time even if I'm not fitting into the group that's going on. I can still enjoy what I'm doing and have a good time.
Speaker 1:And it's not just like it was one choice either.
Speaker 1:I mean, there was multiple times that that emotion would come back up and I had to then make that decision over and over and over again. But it's continuing to make that decision like this is the time I want to have and this is what I'm going to do and even though it didn't look exactly like I had expected it to, like I'd expected, oh yeah, I'm going to make all these friends and it's all going to be wonderful and it wasn't, it's just like, ok, that wasn't for me, but that's OK, I still learn from it and move on. So yeah, it's not easy, but it's a choice and I get to look back on it and I've come a lot further now than I would if I would have carried around that negative, like emotions and I didn't fit in and something's wrong with me and like putting you know, then I start that negative self-talk and I'm not worthy, and going down that road and I was like, no fuck that you know. All that's fine, they miss out, oh well, we're moving on, you know.
Speaker 2:I know it's easy to get down that path, for sure, and just kind of like speaking light onto it. Right now I feel like you know, this morning I was going through that as well, trying to help a friend last night and you know I was just so focused on like the solution instead of, like you know, just allowing the feelings, and I realized, like how much I need to like allow that to happen within myself. And sometimes it's so easy to just go down that negative self-talk path, and so I think that's why I've also had a lot of resistance as well. Trying to like just get into that, into this like conversation, is because, like you know, if you're in that mindset of negativity and self-talk, like the last thing you want to do is like try to create, to turn it around and create like positivity, because you can just get yourself in such a hole.
Speaker 2:But, and albeit all, like you have the power and it's like mind over matter, and so it's like are you going to just sit and slump in it and be like kind of pitting yourself, or are you going to maybe, like you know, it is a grieving process of like what I went through, what you went through with, like the women's retreat, like are you going to grieve it, are you going to feel it and then are you going to move on, you know? Or are you just going to sit in it and then hit your life the whole time? So you know you can go either way, but look at the positivity and like what you were able to create for yourself. And so I'm kind of like saying that to myself right now, like I have the choice to turn this around.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it's empowering, right, we forgot that we have that power. So, yeah, it's empowering ourselves to take it back. Take that power back. You got this and you get to make that decision. You know, and if you decide to stay in the negativity, then it's almost like that's a choice and if that's where you want to be and you want to, you know, and sometimes we have to fill the feelings and we have to be in it, but sometimes it's like but then don't complain about it. Like, you know what I mean. Like it's like the choices. So you want to like, no, I'm going to be negative and I'm going to be upset and I'm going to and I'm going to care about everybody and blah, blah, blah. Well then, that's your choice.
Speaker 1:Or sometimes, like sometimes I do this is I allow myself to feel bad for a certain amount of time, like I put a time cap on it. That's like, hey, I'm going to feel sorry for myself for the next hour or the next day, but then then I'm done. I'm not going to continue that downward. You know, feeling bad for myself, like it's okay to be, like life sucks, it's shitty sometimes. Yes, it's not an ideal situation. I didn't get what I want you know completely what I wanted out of that that thing. But you know. So it's okay to feel that like, yeah, that sucked, but I'm not going to set in it. I don't want to sit and wallow, you know. I want to like okay, now, what am I learning from this? What can I move forward? This is where I'm taking my power back. I'm being vulnerable. I'm being brave and let's go and move on. Let's go, let's go yeah.
Speaker 2:Y'all, this woman is like a freaking powerhouse, like I'm telling you. He is able to just move through, like whatever comes up, she's able to move through it, or like direct you to move through it. It's like freaking amazing.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, it's just like it's not. It's rare to find like to be able to have like somebody who is able to kind of push you along and validate your feelings and then like say the truths but then also at the same time like you still have such like, still that like nurture in your voice, and so it's just like you're just amazing, you're helpful and awesome. Thank you, anyways.
Speaker 1:So anyway, let's talk a little bit more on this, like fitting in versus belonging, because you brought up some good points that I want to kind of go to get to. Is, you know, like fitting in. That used to be like back when we were like cavemen and stuff like that. Like fitting in was in terms in strength, what's the word I'm looking for? Words are hard. You know, we had to fit in to be a part of the group or otherwise. Our survival depended on it in a way. Right, we had to fit in so that we all work together, and so we couldn't really, you know, be different, because if we were, then sometimes we'd be outcast. If you're outcast, you could get eaten by a bear, right, you didn't have the group for protection. So it's kind of like that We've evolved now to a point where we don't have to fit in for our survival.
Speaker 2:Right 100% and like I think about you. Know you at your woman's retreat are us, both of our lives and just a lot of people in general when they're feeling like that outcast and stuff, it's so easy to like look back on yourself and place blame and be like, well, what is wrong with me? Like why don't I fit in and why am I always like the front of the joke? But then at the end of the day you have to like realize that we're all animals and you know. So I worked in like Wildlife Rehab for a while and it was interesting to see like the defense mechanisms of the, you know, the wild animals. They don't know who a human is. They just are scared and like trying to defend themselves.
Speaker 2:Like humans are just like that and it's just we all, at the end of the day, are just trying to defend ourselves and at the end of the day, are just trying to belong or fit in and also not get attacked. And so like when you're with a group of people as humans, you sometimes like you can't necessarily be your full self. If you are in like that olden day type of living, you literally want to be able to survive on your own. I mean we as humans, even if you were, if you had like the best survival tactics of everything and you were like the best caveman, hunter or gatherer or all the things in the world, like we were not designed to live by ourselves. And like they say that loneliness is like just as bad as just being like depressed. It's, you know, just leads you down like a hard path, and so no wonder that we are just trying to fit in with everything possible.
Speaker 2:And this kind of brings me to like I don't know if anybody has heard of Gabor Mate, but he's the person who had kind of come up with like the polyvagal theory and like I've been learning a little bit from him and it has to do with like your vagus nerve that runs through your whole body, and so he has just been pivotal in understanding how your fight, flight and survival mechanism works, and so like it's so easy to think that something's wrong with you, but really fitting in is actually just you having attachment.
Speaker 2:And so he's like at what point in your life are you going to trade your attachment to people for authenticity of yourself? And if you're able to, it kind of goes hand in hand, like if you're able to have your authenticity of yourself and have your group of people. That's the definition of belonging. But if you're trading that for attachment, to fit in, then you're completely outside of yourself. But we have to do that growing up and we don't really have a choice because our circumstances are circumstances and to do anything else like so you know, I feel like I should say to people like, if they are feeling alone, if they're feeling outcasted, if they're feeling like they don't belong, understand that not only can you belong to yourself and that's where you find that the most the love within but also it's not your frickin fault and you're just doing what you can to survive.
Speaker 1:And the thing is, you know, to kind of add on to that point is, yeah, you belong to yourself, and when you can learn to be yourself and belong and you're filling your own cup full, then you will find your tribe, you will find those people that you will belong to, that you will not have to edit yourself or change yourself to fit in. You will now belong. And I think I don't know, and to me it almost feels like you can't do both. I can't be like editing myself, trying to fit into one group and hoping I will eventually belong to another group.
Speaker 1:I have to always be in my true, authentic self as much as possible and do my own thing, and then I'll find my tribe. But if you're trying to like have the mask on, it's going to be hard to find those real people.
Speaker 1:If I have my mask on all the time. So it's a balancing act, like, and it's a choice. What choice do you want? Do I want to fit in with these people that I don't quite belong with, that I edit myself for, or do I belong to myself? Sometimes having to be a lonely it's almost like you have to, like you know those people have to go away so you can get the right people in. You have to be lonely for a moment, yes, and being okay, being alone not necessarily, you know, or dealing with however that looks and then finding the people that you belong with, that truly accept you for who you are. Right, what do you?
Speaker 2:want to do and that like in between, where you're like, okay, well, this tribe isn't for me. Let me find the tribe that I'm meant to be with the in between is so pivotal, like it's literally a pivot because, like, use that time, sometimes we don't know who we are and I feel, like you and I have gone through this, you know, kind of at similar times in our lives, but also just in general, where we're just kind of we're not isolating but we are in a sense. And so, like you know, one of our mentors will say, like isolate to elevate or disconnect to reconnect, and so you know that's so powerful, to be able to take that time to really find out who you are, to really love on yourself, to validate yourself, to understand yourself, and then that's going to not only like level you up but it's also going to help find your authenticity so you can bring it in to the tribe that you're meant to be in for that belonging.
Speaker 1:And to a lot of that as well, because once you take that time and you go internal and you feed yourself and you belong to yourself, you now no longer have this like I need, I need, I need, I need, I need.
Speaker 2:So you're not going out looking for this like.
Speaker 1:So you're putting out that need and desperation and like I need people, I need people, I need people. Well, when you're in that kind of energy, you're not going to find the right people. You're going to find people that are also going to use you or different things that are not going to necessarily be healthy. So if you take that time, like you said and it's not easy, it's not easy to set with yourself and get to know yourself, but start loving on yourself and those kind of things, now when you come back out you don't like that butterfly right. When you come back out now you're just like, yeah, I'm good and I'm just loving and you know, here I am, here's my true, authentic self.
Speaker 1:Now people will come to you because they're going to come to it in a better, you know, in a different energy.
Speaker 2:So 100% and kind of like touching on the survival mechanism as well. Like you know, I've often felt like in my past I was told like I was too much and I was too needy, I was clingy, like all these things, and you know it brought a lot of shame to my life. But I also realized and was able to find like more liberation within myself that you know, you're not too much of anything, you're literally just trying to get your needs met. So you know me wanting to seek validation externally is because I never really felt validated in my life, you know, or maybe seen or accepted and so, or like I could be my true self.
Speaker 2:And so then, like what do you do? You go out and you're just like oh my God, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God, love me, love me, love me. And then it kind of comes out. It's almost like imagine being stranded on an island and you're starving and you're dehydrated and then all of a sudden you are on, you're like taking a chance on a raft and then somebody finds you or an airplane sees you on the island, like when you first get access to water or food, are you going to just be like, hmm, this is so lovely.
Speaker 2:Like let me do it another five minutes before I take a drink. Like no, you're going to scarf it down because you're lacking it. So I just you're never too much of anything, you're just trying to meet your needs and survive. And once we're able to finally meet those needs, then we can trade it and turn it into that authenticity and use it.
Speaker 1:Very well, I like it Well, and I think and again, just to add on to that is that the things that we need are inside. We just haven't tapped into them yet 100%. Instead of looking external for all these, it's turning it inside. Give it to yourself. So if I'm providing my own validation, if I'm validating myself, then I don't look for external validation. Now if I get it, it's nice, it's like, oh, that's awesome, right, and it feels good, but I don't need it right 100% within it again that, like you said, you know when you eat and drink, you know you've been starving.
Speaker 1:You're gonna like scarf it all down. Then, of course, the people around you're like man, you're too much, right? Yeah? Look at you like you're crazy like to satisfy this hunger that you have but a man feeding you.
Speaker 2:What had happened before?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. And so, like you said, you're not too much, and now, like now feeding it into yourself. Now you come to the table and you're like oh, now you can you know, now you're you're not starving. I like that analogy. Thought that was really a great way of putting it though, thanks.
Speaker 2:I can't remember where I heard it, but I heard it from somewhere, and then I was like, oh, that's good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but it's, you know. So it is hard like it's. It's, it's a mind shift in. Okay, do I want to just fit in or do I want to belong? And if I want to, if I want to find where I belong, then I'm gonna have to do the work so I can belong. If you think about they're both hard. It's hard to fit in because you're gonna always change yourself and never be true to yourself and you're gonna be lacking and you're gonna be feeling. You know, I always know what, whenever I was trying to fit into things, I never felt like I didn't feel a true connection with people because they didn't get to know the real me and I would Wouldn't be vulnerable with them because I was afraid they would see the real me and not want to. Then I wouldn't be fitting in anymore.
Speaker 1:Right so I, you know, putting that mask on and stuff prevented me from having true Connection with people. It was kind of like a fake connection, you know. It kind of felt a little bit. It was almost like you know, I'm eating, you know, like that I try to go back to that analogy, right so it's like oh, I've got food, but now the food's plastic. So it's the illusion of food, but it's not real food, it's not nourishing, it's not really given me that connection that I want.
Speaker 2:But I'm gonna keep thinking.
Speaker 1:So, now that I can do it where I'm belonging for people care about me exactly the way I am I'm allowed to have, I can have those true or connections that I was right.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So this kind of reminded me too of like, you know, sometimes when you're trying to find that Could be fighting against something that is blocking you, and what I mean by that is like it could be your environment and Do you feel safe? And so again it goes back to the survival instinct of like. If You're in an environment where you don't feel safe and this could be physically, emotionally, psychologically, whatever Then it's gonna be really hard for you to actually like let your guard down, to find that authenticity within you, because you're gonna have so much protection mechanism and ego coming up. That's, you know, keeping you safe and doing what it needs to do. And so you know, like Luke says, you can't like feel in the same environment that made you sick. And you know, I never really truly understood that until I moved.
Speaker 2:And so being able to be in my own environment, where I am by myself not by myself, I've roommates but when I feel safe enough to be able to truly open up the box and find me, has been so powerful. And you know it's not only moving away from, you know, sure, sometimes my family, but it was also like moving away from my ex-boyfriend. That was really freaking toxic and I did not feel safe around him. And that was super important because, like you literally can't begin like your, your everything begins within your body and if your body doesn't feel safe, then, like, your feelings won't feel safe and then external it just it can't happen. So if there is something that is blocking you in your life, within your environment, or Maybe it's like you need to do something to change when you're at I know that, you know, not everybody's situation is always feasible, but try to think of those steps of like, what is it gonna take so that way I can find safety physically at what's around me and then, you know, be able to bring that inward. It could be something as simple as like, oh, I need some extra money so I can get a car.
Speaker 2:Okay, what are those little baby steps? And so you know I'm kind of speaking from a place of you know I got out of an abusive relationship and so I understand and what it means to feel stuck, and but there kind of comes a pivotal point in your life where, like, one is enough, enough. And so when you get to that and I'm hoping that it won't be when it's Dyer and you're literally fighting for your life. But when it gets to that point and I'm hoping you choose now then you know, start making a plan, reach out, find resources and you know you have resources, there's DV advocates all around you you can figure out a plan. And maybe that's not your situation. But Just find the next step and keep telling yourself that what is my next step? Okay, what is my next step?
Speaker 2:Sometimes looking so far in the future can be so overwhelming and then we kind of shut down and so that'll maybe help also Create safety within. Okay, one step at a time. So safety first, not only physically but emotionally, and then we can kind of come back to being able to disconnect and find our true self and Find that belonging. It Literally goes up from there.
Speaker 1:It's amazing yeah, no, thank you for sharing that with us. That was, that was a really good.
Speaker 2:I Think I wasn't expecting that to happen.
Speaker 1:I love it. I love it. It was a good point because you're right, like you got to feel safe and I think sometimes, you know, I know, sometimes I forget that like I was in a situation as well, but I'm past that and I'm in a safe space. So I'm, you know, sometimes Talking about this stuff from the safe place that I'm in now. But that's such a good point is, you know, and I think it kind of goes back to the like if I'm trying to fit in, I'm not safe. How do I, like you said, be able to come back and be authentic in myself? So those are great, great. I mean that that was a great adder in getting there.
Speaker 2:So I Me Sometimes, when you're like trying to fit in, you know you're only doing it because maybe you don't feel safe initially to be yourself. So maybe, like it's, you know, I need to start asking myself this question I just thought of. It is like when you're around a person or somebody new, or just it could be somebody you've had a relationship with for a long time, it could be a friend, somebody you know you're romantic with. Like, does this purse? Do I feel safe with this person to be me? Am I dimming myself down in certain areas? And if so, why? And then, like, really look at that because, yeah, it's important to reflect and really just listen to, like what your body has so much wisdom and it's just it's amazing. And you know, once you start following that and then you know, once you start getting into that authentic space, you literally like get out of that like lack, scarcity and fear mindset and you're into that like prosperous, abundance mindset, growth mindset.
Speaker 2:And then you just attract more and more and more into your life. And you know, I don't really know that people can actually understand it until they witness it for themselves. But when they say you literally attract more into your life, it's like so freaking true.
Speaker 1:And I heard somewhere that to me explained it like this like if I sit and go, I need, I need, I need, I need, I want, I want, I want. Like it's like a manifesting right, like if I say this and then the universe goes oh, you want, you want, you want. I'm going to give you more to want about.
Speaker 1:I'm going to give you more to need. But if I come at it going, man, I'm grateful, and so I you know I love, I'm loving on people and grateful on this is going to be like, oh okay, the universe is going, I'm going to give you more to be grateful about, I'm going to give you more to love and more to this. So it really does all start from inside. What do I want to do? And then learning how to to. I guess that's the key, right is, we're trying to learn how to give to ourselves. How do we give ourselves what we need? How do we, you know, get into safe places? And how do we start listening to our bodies? Because, like you said, it has a lot of wisdom. So, how do I start listening to my body? How do I start asking these questions and being honest with myself as a big one to is being honest with yourself, yes because you can gaslight yourself, you can live in a completely different reality.
Speaker 2:You know, cognitive dissonance is real, and if you don't know what that is, I encourage you to look it up. But it's basically when you have different realities happening, where you have good things and you have bad things, but the you know, this happens a lot in abusive relationships, where you're just you're focusing on the good, even though the bad is really really, really, really bad, and so you're literally living in an alternate reality. That's why they say like you have the rose colored glasses on, and so it can. You can. You're always living in a reality that your brain wants you to live in. That's keeping you the safest. So asking yourself to like am I being dishonest about anything? What is really going on? Like, sometimes you have to dig deep and sometimes you want to always be able to get there. Just because you ask yourself the question, it could just be like a light bulb that switches one day. So it's, you know it's.
Speaker 1:Sometimes it's being open to it, being open to thinking different, being open to having different ideas. And being open Sometimes allows, like you said, some of that to come in.
Speaker 2:Yeah, 100%. It's a pretty amazing of a journey and I wouldn't trade it for the world.
Speaker 1:Well, I think your journey is amazing. It's beautiful to watch.
Speaker 2:I'm glad to be like. Your journey is freaking. Amazing. We're so far.
Speaker 1:Look at us so well, thank you for coming on and I hope eventually I'll get you back on. I'll talk to you again. Be talking because I love. I love some of our conversations that we have and so being able to bring it on to the podcast and letting your bail see your beautiful, hear your beautiful voice and feel your beautiful energy, I love it so.
Speaker 2:I do kind of want to like, and if you want to keep this in, sweet you were killing it.
Speaker 1:Take the try out You're freaking, killing it.
Speaker 2:I'm killing it, I'm doing it, we're doing it, we're doing it. I love you. I love you too. All right, I'm not.
Speaker 1:no, I'll sign us off. Thank you for being here, thank you for listening and until next time stay. Wonderfully weird.