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Why BRICS currency could RUIN the USD (2024)
Is the US dollar's reign over global trade coming to an end? Join TJ, Bryan, and Michael on the Numisphere as we explore this provocative question. We dive into the burgeoning influence of BRICS nations, including new members like Iran, Egypt, and Ethiopia, and how they're positioning themselves to challenge the established economic order. We discuss the historical context of the petrodollar system, the impact of recent sanctions on Russia, and the trend of countries repatriating gold reserves. Discover the implications for global trade and economic dominance as these nations explore alternative currencies and advanced payment systems.
Prepare for an in-depth look at the seismic shifts in global power structures driven by BRICS' innovative strategies. From cryptocurrency-based payment systems to the practicality of asset-backed currencies, we cover it all. We also delve into geopolitical tensions, such as Iran's trade in Russian rubles and a mysterious incident involving the Iranian president. Zimbabwe’s move towards a gold-backed currency offers a fascinating case study of potential benefits and complexities. Tune in to understand the evolving landscape of global economics and the potential for a new world financial structure.
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Welcome on in to another episode of the Numisphere, where we talk about all things numismatic. We have a very special show for you today, where we're bringing shop talk out here onto the Numisphere. We have special guests with us. This is Brian and Michael joining us for a very important discussion on has a new world order already emerged out of the dust being created by current political conflicts? What could this potentially look like and what are the contenders or whom may those contenders be that could potentially subvert the dollar from its world dominance and replace it with a new Guys? This is a pretty heavy topic, right? We're talking about something where the united states and the dollar could potentially be losing its ground, losing its dominance, hold on the global trade and being replaced by something different. Right, um, but more this is also tied to the people who are on the other side of these conflicts that are happening around the world right now. Right, particularly BRICS, brics being Brazil, russia, india, china and South Africa, and now we have additional members the.
Speaker 2:BRICS Plus.
Speaker 1:Right, the BRICS Plus, and now we have additional members the BRICS Plus Right, the BRICS Plus, and, from my understanding, the people who have been or the nations that have been added on, are including Iran, egypt, ethiopia and the United Arab Emirates, also with an invitation still looming for Saudi Arabia, which who has not officially taken on that member state status to this point in time from my understanding, but I heard it's close. I heard it's close too.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I heard maybe months or less. I've heard it's close.
Speaker 1:Now what's really interesting to me is that that's kind of a substantial trading partner for the United States. It's also been the linchpin, so to speak, in making the dollar the petrodollar right, so to speak. In making the dollar the petrodollar right we're talking about back in Kissinger times with 1971, right, we're moving away from the exchangeability of gold into the dollar right. This is with Nixon. And then all of a sudden, by 73, kissinger had articulated an arrangement with the regime in Saudi Arabia that all trade will be done in United States dollars for oil and in exchange the United States offers protections, upholds regimes. You know, rub this elbow, I rub that elbow little, and then we were taken care of.
Speaker 1:This is what basically secured our dominance without a gold backing and held that power all the way through to current economic times. But there seems to be some serious cracks in the foundation and there seems to be something else rising and that is what they're doing with the BRICS nations and guys. I'm looking for your opinion. What have you heard? What are you thinking? How could this potentially come forward as that new world order and replace the dominance that the dollar has been all this time? Brian, why don't we start with you?
Speaker 3:Wow, well, I mean, I think I hearken. I mean we talk about BRICS, one of them being Russia and Putin. I think a lot of folks have seen this conversation with Tucker Carlson talking about the weaponization of the dollar and saying how stupid it is.
Speaker 3:I mean, I think, he was, really, he didn't mince words, and so he said it was the stupidest thing to do. And then you see Trump saying, hey, if we lose dollar dominance right, uh, it's worse than you know um losing any war, you know. So, you, you have bricks members, right, you know? Uh, talking ill of the dollar, uh, reducing dependency on the dollar, or forcefully, as in russia, right, they were kind of forced out of the dollar. So right, right, so they're doing all their energy trade outside the dollar. So that's the dollar.
Speaker 1:You brought that up and I think that that was kind of like a pivotal point here when the United States brought forward sanctions right onto the Russian government and tied up what is it? $657 billion worth of reserve assets that they had control of were commandeered by the United Nations and basically those have now been said to be. They're going to distribute it amongst the United Nations.
Speaker 2:When they did that, the rest of the world was like here's a cup for you, Germany, here's a cup for you England. This is what can happen to us if we go against the United States. Now that's interesting.
Speaker 1:It's even more interesting the reverse impact that that has had. So, as Russia is being forced out of the use of the dollar, now the other trading partners of Russia which there are many trading partners I don't know if we all know this out there for the audience, but Russia puts forward quite a bit of palladium know this out there for the audience. But Russia puts forward quite a bit of palladium, quite a bit of platinum, quite a bit of oil and oh yeah, didn't they find the world's largest oil reserve in Antarctica on one of their territories down there just recently? So I mean, this is definitely a huge force to be reckoned with. I don't know, mike, what is your take on it? What do you think that could come from? Russia's involvement with BRICS and being pushed out of the dollar? What did that create amongst the BRICS nations?
Speaker 2:I think it's showing other countries in the world that you don't have to go along to get along with the United States. They're going to come out with an option to the petrodollar and they're going to be able to do business and commerce with this option and they're not going to have the need of the. Us dollar to keep them in business.
Speaker 1:Right, I mean, that's a pretty powerful thing, right? If they can subvert the use of the dollar and still continue with trade and growing GDP and growing economic vibrance within their countries. It's obsolete today, then why would?
Speaker 2:they need it. They have an option to it.
Speaker 1:It's odd. We did a show here and I had Colin on talking about the Roman Empire and the transition that ultimately occurred when the silver and the denarius was at a silver wash. Ultimately, when that silver wore away and they saw that it was copper, everybody gave up the use and they moved to something else and essentially, I feel like those sanctions kind of kicked off the game. Oh, absolutely To make that entire situation unfold, where all those member states from the original five with Brazil, russia, india, china, south Africa and also the new are looking to find ways to trade in a very efficient manner and come up with their own solutions. So what's really interesting is that they may have already done that right.
Speaker 1:I think it was 2014. We had an initiative set up. I believe it was at a summit. They talked about having to reduce the dependence on the dollar. They wanted to move away from the use of that dollar and create something new and, as of recent summit meetings in 2023, and as of recent updates coming from the formations there, they've set up quite a bit.
Speaker 1:We have the new development bank that was created and funded Right and funded which allows for infrastructure building projects. They're allocated by percentage or allocated to each country in an equal way, so that there's equal distribution of how these things go forward. But they also delved into making things like new payment solutions right, and now you have India, I think, came out with one, the SFMS, or structural financial messaging system, and China came out with SIPs, or their cross-border interbank payment system, and Brazil came out with one of their own, pix P-I-X. Russia developed their own. So here we have, these large member states within the formation of BRICS, which now holds what is it? 45% of global GDP, 44% of global GDP at this point. If we were to include Saudi Arabia in those numbers, well over 30% though well over the G7.
Speaker 3:Right, Well over the G7.
Speaker 1:It's very important to recognize that right. The G7, they're currently the ones that are basically dictating those terms with the SWIFT system, and the SWIFT system uses the dollar to pipe liquidity through all the channels that are there. So now BRICS is bigger than G7. What are you finding, Mike?
Speaker 2:So I got the G7 countries account for $46 trillion in GDP, against the BRICS nations that have $30.8 trillion.
Speaker 1:Wow, Wow, that's a difference. Yep, big difference.
Speaker 2:Wow, and they don't have. What do we have? A $30 trillion debt. $33 trillion, $33 trillion no $34.
Speaker 1:Is it yes in?
Speaker 3:growing it's going?
Speaker 1:what is it going on? It's growing 1 trillion every 100 days. I think that's where we're at with the debt. Yeah, but approximately 1 trillion every 100 days was the last pacing of the national debt as it continues to climb.
Speaker 1:I'd be curious to know what the viewers think. You guys should definitely leave a comment. Comments below. Comments below about what could be the correlation here with a new world order. And could bricks be that person who is already put those mechanisms into play and they're about to pull that trigger for us Moving forward with the bricks pay system?
Speaker 1:I kind of updated myself just generally on on that topic and it looks to be that they want to base that on digital technology. So they were talking about the use of cryptocurrency, the use of a distributed ledger platform and making this a super efficient, super economical way to execute payments for trade between nations. What I understand that to be is nobody wanted to have one dominant currency that all other currencies were valued against, similar to how the structure is with the special drawing rights and the international monetary fund, where they've currently added or allocated, I believe it's 43 percent of that basket is dependent upon the performance of the dollar, so that's why we're seen as the global reserve currency at this time, and then, I believe it's five other members of the G7 have currencies in that same basket, but they're rated down in very small portions comparatively.
Speaker 3:I think also I'd like to say about the BRICS too, and they do share responsibilities, so Russia's in charge for one year, and then China is the next year and then somebody else. So I like the whole idea of Brexit and like how they share authority or decision making or championing, you know, I'd say, the cause of their, I guess, trading partnerships right every year, and I think that's also attractive.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's kind of a unique chemistry yeah, not one that we're familiar with. It's almost like somebody got together all the kids that were bullied in high school by the big bully being the US Right, and they all have their traumas and they all say you know, I can deal with this, I can deal with that, but I can't deal with this. Well, we were talking about the uni, uni, right.
Speaker 3:so we were at a unipolar, now we're at a multipolar, and I think we're like we're trying to figure out as, as a as a society right, what, what is different?
Speaker 3:what does good look like in a? And then, in a world where we have more than just one dominant currency, right, um, we have multiple dominant currencies, or you know. And how, how is that, how is that, you know, represented on a global stage? Right, and that's to me I like that, like that sharing of that. Yeah, power, or you know, and how is that represented on a global stage? And to me, I like that, I like that sharing of that power, or leading the charge, as it were.
Speaker 1:So everybody feels like they have skin in the game. I also heard that Bricks Pay may end up being backed with this digital currency that they'll exchange, backed by commodities such as oil and gold. Now you had some information. You did a little bit of research on the gold production value of bricks. What did you come up with, Mike?
Speaker 2:So the top 10 producers of gold in 2024, starting at the top number one was China, with 370 tons of gold.
Speaker 1:And this is being produced. What's on the books Produced? On top of that, their central banks buy up gold from around the world so they're producing it and buying it all up, and now they do that through the shanghai exchange. Is that correct?
Speaker 1:I believe so okay, yeah, now that's interesting because I heard from somewhere there's obviously a lot of people that are much more well-informed about this but I heard from somewhere that there may be a migration of paper futures contracts from the commodities exchange that we use to dictate our spot price, where they then jump over to the LME, which is compliant with Basel III. They then take their physical deposit or their physical withdraw, move over across the street because the Shanghai Exchange, I guess, has multiple locations in all different countries and then they simply deposit that physical and immediately exchange it for oil bonds.
Speaker 3:Isn't there some type of arbitrage happening? Right, I think that's what they call that.
Speaker 1:I think the audience needs to answer that. Do you think a potential arbitrage could be happening within the paper futures markets and is there a potential that they could be utilizing this to take down the US dollar by increasing that value of gold, at least the prospective value of gold? Let us know by putting your comment down below. Let us know by putting your comment down below. Yeah, it's, it's a funny game, but seriously, yeah, yeah, it feels as though they've made a payment system. They've made a deck.
Speaker 1:So first off, they made a declaration. They know that they were bullied, they wanted to get away from that. They went forward and they created an infrastructure right. Then they got the final punch in the mouth of the sanctions and then they finally said OK, we're going to do it different. Yeah, now they put that forward and they're coming back to the table with more GDP, with more gold, with more oil, with a faster payment system. Right, because their cryptocurrency system is settling in three to five seconds. Our SWIFT system can take three to five days right Through traditional Nostra Vostro accounts. It can be a very painful process. They've gone and checked all the boxes. If they were able to put this forward, could this essentially be that new world order. Is it them who fills these shoes? I don't know. What do you think?
Speaker 3:I think that um a lot of african nations are now uh, just recently asked for their gold back the repatriatization of gold.
Speaker 1:Yes, that's a great topic.
Speaker 3:I mean, I just it's just all these things you know that that are just, you know, uh, not a coincidence, you know, and I think I mean germany did it, took, took, uh, you know I think of what five, six years back I forget what when it was, but it was definitely. It's been a while, but it took a good year for them to, or so to get all their hundreds of tons of gold right which it's like.
Speaker 1:my understanding is that the number of countries has increased exponentially. On right, the people who want to repatriate patriotize their gold. That number is not publicly accessible, from my understanding, so we can't make a confirmation on that, but do you think that that could be telling? Do you think they see some writing on the wall that something may be coming and the gold is going to be important for them to have in their custody?
Speaker 2:I think a lot of countries are seeing what's happening here in America and notice that America is not concerned with the debt Right. The debt Right, you know. I don't think a lot of people realize too that with our fiat currency we don't have gold backing our dollar, right, you know? Everyone just assumes they hear, you know that their whole lives, fort Knox, has gold, right, it's backing the dollar. But that's not the case, right.
Speaker 1:It's a blurry history in the mind of many, and who knows if that's deliberate or not.
Speaker 3:That's really just a product of the institution, I suppose. Mnuchin said the gold was good, though right, steve Mnuchin. Mnuchin and Stephen said the gold was good. Well, he did that the last time he entered the door.
Speaker 1:You're talking about the treasurer under Trump. Yes, yes, okay, sorry, I had to drop it there. He was a movie director. He produced like 40 or yeah, director or producer. He never said the gold was there.
Speaker 3:He never said we did a full audit. He never said anything about that. Gold is good.
Speaker 1:Well, the next treasurer, Rosie Rios, made that proclamation. I actually saw that on the podium. I saw the gold, and the gold is there, and that was her proclamation. Okay, well, I hope that that falls to be true, and I also hope that there's a ton of it, because we're going to need it.
Speaker 3:I would love the audit on that one. It would be extremely helpful to see something.
Speaker 1:Now here's something really interesting. I went forward to find out, you know, how many people are actually in line to become a part of bricks. I think that this is important for our viewers to know. Right, this is not just the five plus another five. We're talking big numbers here, so check this out. Uh, right now we have a waiting list with applications that include Algeria, bahrain, bangladesh, belarus, bolivia, cuba, kazakhstan, kuwait, pakistan, palestine, senegal, thailand, venezuela, vietnam, nigeria, and behind that there's another 25 separate nations that have made public proclamations or expressed interest publicly in joining themselves. So we have 15 applicants plus another 25 backlog, and they're already rolling with 10 if you include Saudi Arabia being in that 10.
Speaker 1:That's a big, big deal we're talking about. The majority of the world is going to be a part of the BRICS nations, as compared to the United Nations and our G7 and what we got going on over here. Oddly enough, you know the conflict that's taking place out there right now in Israel, the recent happenings with Iran. Mike, you found something that kind of sparked my curiosity. Maybe you want to share this.
Speaker 2:So I was really interested when I found that they had the Kazan Forum that was held from May 14th to the 19th, and the ambassador to Russia from Iran stated that I believe it was like 66% of their business is done in Russian rubles.
Speaker 1:Right, this is Iran, saying that 60% of their business is done in Russian rubles Yep, okay and that they were on board with a.
Speaker 2:Bricks currency, a bricks pay and that they are going to come out with a bricks it was more of. We're going to go forward and do this and within 24 hours of that forum coming to an end on the 19th, the Iranian president's helicopter fell out of the sky.
Speaker 3:That's a coincidence, wow.
Speaker 2:All in the same week of the.
Speaker 1:I think that that could be more than a coincidence. That actually sounds like, yeah, gaddafi, like you said, gaddafi.
Speaker 2:Gaddafi that he's going to waste any time Just expedited to be that quick Now.
Speaker 1:I hope that that's not the case. I have no idea what may have happened. I've heard many things and I don't know what is confirmed. We won't know that, I guess, until the news cycle settles down a little bit and we get some after reporting. But that's a pretty serious action. I'm sure that if it's seen to be the fault of any one nation, that they could be held responsible for that and there may be retaliation or recourse right, either through Iran or an ally which, now that they're part of BRICS, they have the entire BRICS nations behind them.
Speaker 3:I find it interesting though, and maybe a little. You know conspiracy, right, because they said they lost contact, right. So there's. But there was three helicopters. There was the one main that went down, but there was two to assist, okay, but they never mentioned those. They said, oh, they lost contact and they didn't know where everything was. It's like, well, there's two other choppers right there.
Speaker 1:Did they find those two choppers?
Speaker 3:No, they were all together, they were all traveling together, very, very suspicious stuff.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, very interesting, very suspicious stuff and I suppose when you're talking about changing a world order and bringing forward a new world order, this is part of that process, right While we go into this seemingly perpetual war both with Ukraine and Israel and growing in its size. It's concerning, but my hope is that we can find a transition quickly with a little bit less violence here.
Speaker 3:I kind of like what the BRICS member states are doing by trying to protect their own currency but have free trade amongst the rest of the nations by creating a neutral asset to exchange between themselves I wonder if we could kind of create something similar I mean, I, I always go back to, like you know, sun tzu and the art of war, right, and he, and he's a very it was a very economical book, right, it talks about, you know, just, you know strategy, but also saying that you know how much it costs like 3 000 ounces of silver a day for all these troops and everything else I think we need to. You know, if we get to a uh, to a currency or currencies that are fair and balanced and stable and or hold their value and, you know, not like our current dollar, which doesn't, I mean, I think we get back to you, just can't, you just can't make make money out of, just come out of nowhere, right?
Speaker 1:And it's.
Speaker 3:Keynesian. So I mean to me, I think it comes back to a more fairer tool. Whatever that is, gold, silver, platinum, palladium, cryptos, maybe a combination of that but they can hold their value and to me that just gets rid of a lot of things. We talk about a lot in the shop.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely. You know, it's pretty incredible the potential when involving cryptocurrency and I'm going to include that here with the numisphere, because ultimately, those coins may end up becoming coins collected in the future as well.
Speaker 1:But you can tie through a smart contract a nominal value of gold or any other commodity. You could even do things like distribute equity on a home that you own and tokenize that value and exchange that for other forms of value. What I really like when it comes to the purpose of gold is it kicks out that number one pain in the butt, which was always the transportability problem. Right when countries wanted to settle debts and settle a ledger, they had to wait for a shipment that could take up to six months to come over and we don't know how much is actually going to make it at the end of that journey. Whereas cryptocurrency can tie in that smart contract and transport that value in that three to five seconds, with settlement on both ends of the ledger. Now that's really unique and I think that that could be a supercharger for our economy if we started using things like that on mass scale.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I think there'll be multiple ways we do it. Sure, the one thing that I always harken back to is we have to have truth and we have to have, you know, I think, a system where we don't have so many derivatives, where we don't know who owns what, because there's derivatives on a derivative on a derivative. And I think that's where we get ourselves in trouble.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think that an open, transparent, distributed ledger right where everybody can see it, everybody can double check what's going on, they know where the money is flowing, it would curb those bad actions right. Yeah, it may hinder some of the privacy, but even those things can be made to be accommodating for the private citizen for use right, but still something like that could be a solution, Certainly kind of overcome the challenges that we have with our current dollar.
Speaker 3:It could be where we use tokenization for a more longer distance and we have more physical at a smaller distance in our local towns. Like how we transact. We might small, medium and large. We might have three different ways of doing commerce.
Speaker 1:You know, one of the countries that came up as being those expressing public interest that was that list of 25, was Zimbabwe.
Speaker 3:And.
Speaker 1:I think that Zimbabwe is pretty significant to be on that list, seeing what they've recently done right by instating a gold-backed currency and having to reintroduce that back into the population right. Um, I think first steps were they were issuing gold coinage, but basically the results of that were that only the wealthy within the nation were able to access these gold coins and transact with them. So now they're pushing forward, I believe, with a digital variation of this gold, or actually, no, the currency itself. So their paper currency will be backed by a denomination of gold. It was my understanding.
Speaker 3:Right. Well, we'll see where it goes. I'm a big believer in having a vehicle to always get the physical, whatever it is backed, and I think that's the key between something that could be manipulated versus you always have to the audit is me being stackers.
Speaker 1:All three of us here are stackers. Right, there's nothing that will replace the physical and having custody of that physical in your hand environment. You know how. How can you do that? Getting the closest feeling of as little counterparty risk as possible and and knowing that the value of what you put out there is going to return to you with whatever it is that you purchase, right? Um, hopefully that that'll be the next evolution, but we might have even gotten ahead of ourselves there, right?
Speaker 1:as long as first we have to go through the transition all right first we gotta wait and usher in this new world order I think we know.
Speaker 3:I think the first thing is we all understand and we at least agree on what what money is, and I think, understanding you know that what we are currently in in the keynesian environment, right, yes, that's there's. There's more than just keynesian there's, there's austrian right, there's, true, we, we can chooseian, there's Austrian right, there's, we can choose something to be different, right? So I think that that's just for the conversation with everybody out there. Right, you know, and I think that's a good conversation. I always ask, like I had to. I was talking to a controller you know my client today and I was like, are you a Keynesian or Austrian? He's like, he goes, I used to know that, right, and he's a controller, financial controller of a company.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I think just just knowing that to me that's not just I'm smart and you know it, just, hey, you know there's more than one option, right, and then I think we've all become so entrapped in this hamster wheel and it's hard for us to see outside of our immediate environment, but a lot of people are kind of broadening their scope.
Speaker 1:There was one other interesting thing, because if a new world order were to come forward, it would have to be able to participate with what is the current G7. So I was poking around and I found something really interesting that was coming out of the bank of international settlement. So this is the bis, and what they put forward was called project m bridge, which was pretty much everything we just described a decentralized, distributed ledger that was open source and transparent, and then a tokenization of central bank digital currencies to be exchanged, similar to a basket of currencies like an SDR. I don't know the status on if Enbridge is live and active, but I do know that the Bank for International Settlement made it a public announcement and it's very possible that they could be working alongside BRICS nations with their potential central bank digital currencies.
Speaker 3:Well, there you go. They should hire us. Why, for what? Well, because you know we're coming up with it and they probably spent a whole lot of money and they could just you know get us straight into a room.
Speaker 1:What do you think? What do you think is the likelihood here? Do you think that we're going to lose our throne and they're going for it?
Speaker 2:I think we're going to see something happen and it's going to be something unlike we've ever the world has ever seen before.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it feels more and more like the writing is coming onto the wall the recent rise in gold I feel like is one of the biggest or the strongest tells of that situation I got some woo-woo.
Speaker 3:I think coming up in June is going to be like an anniversary of when, I think in 74, the dollar went to be the petrodollar officially.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 3:Some are speculating that that's somewhere the Saudis would announce that they're now part of BRICS and they'll take, so there's a lot of that sort of going on back there too.
Speaker 1:So you know, you think that's why Saudi Arabia is kind of hung back from the public. Announcement of joining BRICS.
Speaker 3:You know, I mean it's like everybody has to get their quote unquote ducks in a row right, they're on the fence. Yeah, yeah, I mean India has kind of been doing their own thing, but I think there will be a pivot one way or the other or soon, and I think I mean that's kind of like closing the loop right on the petrodollar starting and then its demise, kind of.
Speaker 1:And it would be almost poetic, don't you think? Realize, the only way to get ourselves away from a fiat-based currency system is then to revert back to some form or shape of the prior, which is the form of value based, for that was gold. So having something that involves a metallic standard with gold, silver, maybe other precious metals, maybe rainbow, whatever, it is Well.
Speaker 2:Our fiat currency is coming up on almost 100 years right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I suppose that would be well. What was the average 100?
Speaker 2:years. Usually Is it 100 years. Yeah, currency lasts until it.
Speaker 1:I guess you'd say that it's about time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we got a few years.
Speaker 1:It's a concern. It's a concern. Well, it's a very interesting thought, and I wonder what the viewers at home are wondering about BRICS and a potential new world order as well. I hope that they share their stories in the comments and that we can follow up with them with a little bit more shop talk and kind of find out where the progression of this situation continues to go, as geopolitical events continue to escalate and new amazing things are being revealed every day. It's an exciting time to be alive Every day.
Speaker 3:I'd love to hear their additional questions, because we all do game theory all the time.
Speaker 1:Absolutely.
Speaker 3:Looking at different currencies, geopolitical technology, any number of things right now. Technology, you know, any number of things right now, and there's so much, so much to look at every day, every week. You know, I mean everything's like from a science perspective, from spiritual, from the stars, from, you know, odd weather.
Speaker 1:I mean it's just so much, it's an enlightening time.
Speaker 3:Yes, what's the Chinese curse right?
Speaker 1:Yes, what's the Chinese curse? No, what's that?
Speaker 3:Inform me. May you live in interesting times.
Speaker 1:That's a curse. That is a curse actually.
Speaker 2:Oh no, we're in some interesting times.
Speaker 1:I used to think it was a blessing. But no, all right, I used to get that said to me all the time. Yeah, they hate you.
Speaker 2:No, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1:Well, very good Guys, I want to thank you for coming out here. I really appreciate all the efforts that you put in, and I'm hoping that I can get you guys back on here, cause I would like to create a follow-up. I'm honestly thinking only a couple of weeks we could have a couple of new cycles come through and that's all it would take, so I would I want to put a stop and a hold for a follow-up on this conversation. Love it.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:When we have a couple more new cycles going through.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely All right. All right, I'm in, all right.
Speaker 1:Wonderful. I appreciate you guys coming in. Thank you very much for tuning in to an episode of the. Newsphere.
