Simplify Estate Planning and Organization - Buried In Work Website for End of Life Resources with Adam Zuckerman

Adam Zuckerman is the Founder of Buried in Work, a leading eCommerce platform specializing in estate planning/organization, end-of-life tasks, and estate transitions.

With a deeply personal motivation stemming from his experience managing his father's estate, Adam is dedicated to simplifying these complex processes for individuals and families nationwide.

As an Eisenhower Fellow, an attorney, and MBA, Adam brings a wealth of expertise to his role, combining legal knowledge with entrepreneurial vision to drive innovation in the field of estate planning.

Adam's mission is to empower individuals of all ages to navigate the intricacies of estate planning with confidence and ease. Through Buried in Work, he seeks to revolutionize the way people approach end-of-life preparations, ensuring that everyone has access to the resources they need to secure their legacy and protect their loved ones.

Adam shares his personal journey and the mission of his company to simplify estate planning and organization. He emphasizes the importance of comprehensive estate planning beyond just wills and trusts, including advanced directives and organizing important information.

Buried in Work offers a wide range of resources, from free checklists and guides to products like the estate preparation package and the One More Story card game.

Zuckerman discusses the challenges of getting the resources out to people and the need to balance the business aspect with the mission of helping as many people as possible. He also shares his thoughts on legacy and the fear of missing out on experiences in life.

The conversation highlights the role of technology in estate planning and the importance of responsible use. Zuckerman encourages listeners to visit the Buried in Work website for resources and to reach out with feedback and ideas.

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Transcript

Wakil  
Welcome friends. We're glad to have you here with this episode. We're really looking forward to talking to Adam Zuckerman. He is the founder of Buried in Work, a leading e-commerce platform specializing in estate planning and organization, end-of-life tasks, and estate transitions.

With a deeply personal motivation stemming from his experience managing his father's estate, Adam is dedicated to simplifying these complex processes for individuals and families nationwide. And wow, what an important thing to be doing. Thank you, Adam.

Annalouiza  
Yes, thank you.

Adam Zuckerman  
It's great to be here. Thank you so much. I appreciate it.

Annalouiza  
Also as an Eisenhower fellow, an attorney, and MBA, Adam brings a wealth of expertise to his role, combining legal knowledge with entrepreneurial vision to drive innovation in the field of estate planning. Adam's mission is to empower individuals of all ages to navigate the intricacies of estate planning with confidence and ease. Through Buried in Work, he seeks to revolutionize the way people approach end-of-life preparations ensuring that everyone has access to the resources they need to secure their legacy and protect their loved ones. 

Wowzuz, thank you for being here.

Adam Zuckerman  
Yeah, wow, I need to just take you two with me everywhere I go. That was the nicest introduction we ever had.

Wakil  
Yeah, yeah. Well, it is very appreciated. I do a class on preparation for end-of-life. And I think I might be calling you to ask if you'd like to participate because one of the things that comes up a lot is people asking me questions about estate planning. And I'm like, I'm not an attorney, you know, but I would love to have somebody who's an expert actually participate if you're ever interested. I think that'd be great. And it's such important stuff. So thank you for being on our show and giving us your wisdom, sharing your wisdom with us today. We always like to start with a question about when did you first become aware of death?

Adam Zuckerman  
To be clear, I am an attorney. I have an MBA. I'm barred, but I don't hold myself out to be an actively practicing estate planning attorney, which is a little bit of a nuance. And the reason why is that buried in work has offerings and resources that are applicable for anybody in the country. In fact, beyond the country's borders. And we don't want to run afoul of providing legal services to individuals where we're not barred.

So what we're doing is we are simplifying a estate organization and giving people the tools and resources that they need that in the event that they connect with a service provider like a lawyer in their local jurisdiction, then they are better prepared to have a positive engagement. There's a lot more to it, but that journey started,

Wakil 
Thank you. I really appreciate that clarification. That's important. 

Adam Zuckerman  
Yeah, so the journey started in this realm after my dad got sick unexpectedly. He had leukemia for about six and a half years. First time he was diagnosed, I actually donated bone marrow to him. The second time he was diagnosed, they put him into remission. And the third time he was diagnosed, it was shortly after he was at my house doing woodworking in the basement with me. And he walks up the stairs and he goes, Adam, I'm tired.

And when you say I'm tired, when I say I'm tired, typically that means we need to go and take a nap. You know, we've been out doing something or exerting ourselves when he says it because the leukemia means I have to go to the doctor. 

So he goes to the doctor's office, the hospital actually, and has a test and they tell him to come to the hospital on Thursday to check in. And unfortunately, 12 days later, he passes away, which was unbelievably quick. And on the one hand, we knew that it was always a possibility that the cancer would catch up with him. But after six and a half years of the doctors always found something, they always found a solution, they always found a solution, it came as a surprise. 

So we thought he was organized. He wasn't nearly as organized as we hoped. I helped and helped my mom with her estate transition, the estate transition of my father. And when I showed her, my mother's financial advisor, what I had put together in terms of tracking everything that I had done, at end of the conversation, said, Adam, this is the most comprehensive transition I've ever seen in my life. And you have to give it away to other people. 

So on the one hand, if you have that devil and angel on your shoulder, the devil's going, she's lying to you. She just doesn't want you to move her mom's money. And the angels on my shoulder going, well, you're an attorney. You've got the organization background. You did put together some pretty comprehensive notes. Maybe you should ask a few people. So we asked a few people.

Everybody said, like literally everybody said, we need these resources online. You know how to make websites, go build a website. I'm a technologist too. And after we built a small website that I thought would just be a few resources to help a few people in one week, we had over 10,000 page views. 

Annalouiza  
What? Wow!

Adam Zuckerman  
Yeah, that launched Buried in Work. And from there, the resources and the products and the offerings that we have. for both individuals and companies alike have expanded significantly and the rest is history. Here we are.

Wakil  
Wow. So cool. So important.

Annalouiza  
It's so important. And usually, I would ask this, you how does death impact your story? But it's just woven in completely together right now with what you just shared. So, you know, the story begins with your father and it's easily woven to what you did for him as he passed away or when he passed away.

Adam Zuckerman  
It's funny. There's, there's so much of an impact that death has had in the story. It's not just, Oh, you started a company that deals with this, this industry, but rather the, camera that we have right now, and this is a audio podcast, but the camera that we're seeing each other as we speak is my father's camera that I inherited. Every day is constant reminders. 

And I think that It's somewhat cathartic in a lot of ways. For many people, when somebody passes away, they try and not remember every single day. But for me, is literally from the time I wake up to the time I go to sleep, there's always that constant reminder. Maybe that's really good for the soul, good for the ethos. Maybe it causes some challenges, but that's probably a conversation for another podcast.

Wakil  
That's definitely part of this podcast. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. I think it really is. I'm glad that you said that because I think we often talk to people who are dealing with loss and who want to know, who want to hear, think often they just want to hear what those people meant to others. If you go to somebody and say, I'm sorry for your loss and you'll see them in another world or something, that's not nearly as effective as, I'm sorry for your loss, I remember when that person took me out for a walk and what a beautiful person she was or whatever. Just that remembering the things about them and having those memories and those physical things around you. 

Annalouiza
Connections

Wakil
Yeah, those connections that remind us that they never leave, that they're still always gonna be a part of us. So that's really, really, thank you for sharing that.

Tell us a little more about what your role is, what your work is right now and how it works for people.

Adam Zuckerman  
One of the things that my father taught me, my mother taught me this as well is always try and give back, help other people. And Buried in Work in a strange way is something that is very reminiscent about how my father would have approached things. My best friend growing up who knew my father well told me once after I started Buried in Work that there were nothing that would have made my father happier or prouder than starting a company to help people that makes money off of his death. 
 
Wakil  
Wow.

Annalouiza  
Ha ha ha ha
 
Adam Zuckerman  
And that's really exactly, that's what we're doing. So I'll chat a little bit about some of the resources and how we approach things differently than other organizations. And there's a lot of companies out there that help with estate planning and organization and different things, but fortunately we've taken a little bit of a different tack.


Primarily the first reason why is that when people think about estate planning, they oftentimes think immediately of a will or a trust. And those are undoubtedly foundational elements of an estate plan if you need one. But we believe that comprehensive estate planning goes far beyond just having a will or having a trust if you need it. It's having the advanced directives in place so in the event that you're not able to advocate for yourself, somebody else can.

Annalouiza  
Yay!

Wakil  
Yeah.

Adam Zuckerman  
It's having all of the information organized so in the event something happens, your family doesn't have to scramble in the worst time possible. And what I mean by that is having information about your family members, even your pets, who needs to be contacted in case something happens to you, your citizenship information, your career and education history, your residential history, your email and online accounts that goes into your digital legacy, financial assets and liabilities, business information, your insurance information, tax returns, health and medical, I can go on and on and on. 

And the reason why is because the average estate takes 570 hours to administer in the United States, which I don't know about you two, but I don't have 570 hours just like, and a lot of that is because family members have just gone the scavenger hunt for this information. So what we're doing is creating resources, free checklists, free guides, free articles.
  
We have over 1700 articles on the site now. have 30 plus guides or 30 plus checklists, nearly 15 guides from end-of-life funeral traditions from LGBTQ plus to Hindu to Christian, Jewish, Muslim, secular, you name it. We have templates that people can download for free. So if you need a HIPAA authorization form or you need a letter template to notify a bank that somebody passed away, we're going to save you time there.

We have a checklist that is very popular. The 56 steps to do, to take after somebody passes away that you're probably not aware of unless you've gone through it. And we have products as well. One is called the estate preparation package that takes all the information that I just talked about, including more, and not only helps you organize it, but then tells you what to do with that information. And my favorite product that we have, the favorite, favorite, favorite thing, it's called One More Story.

And it comes out of an experience with my father again. We were sitting in his hospital room and we were telling jokes and we were telling stories. Dad, tell me one more story about when you were a kid. Tell me one more story about this. How do you wish your legacy is remembered? Things like that. Because after he passes away and we knew something where it was going to happen, we know the stories are gone forever. They're either told and remembered by someone or they're gone. 

Annalouiza  
Mm -hmm.

Adam Zuckerman  
 So we took those questions and we made a card game out of it. So 120 prompts, six categories, it's called One More Story. And then we did a corollary to that that's based on the estate preparation package called Nothing Left Unsaid where it asks people, do you have a will, do you have a trust, where are they, how do you feel about palliative care here, definitions you should know, it just helps everybody get together. So a long answer to a short question that's just touching the surface of what Buried In Work is doing to help people organize their information a little bit better.

Wakil  
Wow, that is so important. Yeah, yeah. 

Annalouiza  
Wow. I know.

Wakil  
I just found my new resource for my class. I do a class, end of life planning class, right? And we touch on a lot of the things you talked about. probably, you but I'm always looking for resources for people to be able to go online and get information. 

And I have a word, I mean, a Google Doc that I keep adding to, right? So that people who've gone to the class can look at the Google Doc.  six months later and it'll have been updated with new stuff. So I'm... definitely going on the top of the list of resources because it really, everything you said is covered, but it's, I'm sure there's maybe things we aren't catching and just having that place to go like that, to be able to, I mean, I just ordered my Nokkbox, you know, about Nokkbox because I started to gather up everything. I don't know if, if Annalouiza told you but, my wife has a terminal illness right now. And so we're having to go through, you after all of this work for years and years of doing this work, and now I'm getting to go through, you know, having the chance, if you will, to go through the checklist myself, right? And to really think about, and so I started realizing even as much as I've thought about this and talked about it, I told my kids there was going to be a widow, W -I -D -O -H file when I die open here. And I kind of have been putting that together, but now to be in this place where I really do have to have this organized. I just finally spent the money on a NokBox because it's a great way to organize stuff. But great. Thank you for...

Adam Zuckerman  
Yeah. Yeah. And that's, that's very much what the escape preparation package does also is it's that on steroids effectively. we met with a company that provides nearly a third or actually more than a third of all the caskets in America. And they said our approach is the most comprehensive approach in the country, which is pretty neat too. Yeah. So if, if there's anything we can do to give you, yeah, yeah, yeah. If there's

Annalouiza  
That's awesome. Yeah. I can't wait. I'm to go check it out. Yeah. I'll be, I'll be checking you out.

Wakil  
Yeah.

Adam Zuckerman  
If there's anything that we can do to support your classes, we have resources we're happy to give. We white-label and co-brand with companies and nonprofits. We're working with hospice companies and several other different verticals because the reality is, you know, death and taxes, it impacts everybody. It's really neat to see all the different people hitting the website. We've got analytics that you can actually watch people as they're on the site and you know, this person just went here and there and there, this is where they are on their stage. And right now we have 19 active users on the site from San Diego, Utah, Colorado, North Dakota, Missouri, Texas, Louisiana, Alabama, Florida, like all over. And it's because this topic is something that literally impacts everybody. And we have to get ahead of it.

Wakil  
Yes. Yeah. And, you know, the reason we have this podcast is because we really feel the passion about sharing and getting people to talk about it, getting people to, because it is a taboo in many cultures or many parts of our Western culture anyway, not in most other cultures, it's not, but in our United States, mostly, especially a lot of people don't want to talk about it. And to have the opportunity to meet people like you who are doing this work. It's just so fulfilling and we just really appreciate it.

Adam Zuckerman  
Thank you.

Annalouiza  
It is. So Adam, what are the challenges that you find about getting this resource out to people?

Adam Zuckerman  
Gosh, the issue is that everybody's unique just like everybody else. And what I mean by that is it is very rare that your situation is going to emulate to a T someone else's situation. So it's helping people understand that it's a process that while other people have gone through it, it's going to be different for you because how you experience it is going to be different, both emotional and in process.

And then helping them find the right resources. We're actually going through a massive update on our site right now, creating an entirely new user interface that will help people search for the information that they need even more effectively. The other thing is that a lot of people think that they don't need to have an estate plan because they're not wealthy. Estate planning is for the rich. 

Wakil  
Yeah.

Adam Zuckerman  
And they have this vision of somebody passing away attorney walks into a room that's smoke filled with mahogany, know, shelving and leather chairs and they have the reading of the will. 

Annalouiza  
Hahaha.

Adam Zuckerman  
But that's just not how it typically happens outside of the movies. 

Wakil
Right.

Adam Zuckerman
And people need to understand that even if you don't have an estate plan that you've drafted, you actually do have an estate plan because the state that you live in has a process intestate that says this is what happens to estate in the event that they don't have a will. in the event that you want to take control of your situation, you really should start taking small steps to get organized to get those documents in place. Because the last time you want to do it is when it's too late for a variety of different reasons.

Wakil  
Yeah, so true. How do you address those challenges? How do you, what do you, I mean, you said you've got this incredible website and it's being updated. I also wonder about challenges personally. I mean, do you feel like you are challenged with, you know, like frustrations or despair or whatever, you know, the kind of things that come up in this work, right?

Adam Zuckerman  
Yeah, so what I didn't expect was that I would get phone calls and emails on a never-ending continual basis of people. And some people are upset that something happened. Some people are upset that something is happening. But other people are reaching out with ideas. We have a section on the website that we created after someone called us up and said that I'm in the hospital. My mom fell and hit her head. I'm in the emergency room and I can't help but overhear the person sitting next to me. They're upset that they need to shut down all these accounts for the person that they're here to see. but they can't get through to the company. don't know how to do it. 

So we created a resource that has nearly a hundred companies. We reached out to all the CEOs and they put us in contact with people that says, if you need to shut down an account with Amazon, here are the steps that you need to take. And it is overwhelming because there are so many questions like that that could lead to new products. But as an entrepreneur, as a, an individual that has to decide, I'm going to focus time in this versus that, you can't tackle everything.

Annalouiza  
Mm -hmm.

Adam Zuckerman  
My challenge is that I want to create all of the resources to help as many people as possible and you can't. So we're focusing on creating a lot of resources that have maximum impact for a lot of people and we start branching out from there.

Wakil  
Yeah, yeah. That's a unique challenge and one that there's probably not a good answer to. 

Annalouiza  
Mm -hmm. Yeah

Wakil
But, like you said, kind of like I guess the answer is acceptance and doing everything you can.

Adam Zuckerman  
But there's a middle ground. We have the estate preparation package that we've talked a little bit about. And I realized that a lot of people are afraid of starting. It is complicated. They see a price tag of a few hundred dollars and they're like, I can't do this right now. I'll do this later. You know, there's more time. Go buy groceries. 

But yet people are reaching out with questions. So we just released a free, three page document that says if you have nothing else, have this figured out. Do you have a will? Where is it? Do you have a trust? Where is it? Where are your assets? Where are your bank accounts? All of the really important questions and you can come to the website and download that for free. And we are finding that middle ground of how can we help as many people as possible but also create a company that is self-sustaining with revenue and you know.  Some people say we should be a nonprofit. Who knows?
 
Annalouiza
Mm Mm

Wakil  
Yeah, yeah, we were just talking about that today, Annalouiza and I about how do we in this world of where finances, you know have to have finances to exist. That's the culture we're in. And how do we do that when we're passionate about this, want to help people and want to care for people and want to do it? We'd do it for nothing if we could get away with it, but we can't.

Adam Zuckerman  
Mm -hmm. Yeah.

Annalouiza  
Yeah.

Wakil  
So yeah, thank you, that's really good. Really important.

Annalouiza  
So yes, and so Adam, you're busy. Before we got our conversation going, you said you've been working like nonstop for a week, hardly getting outside. But how do you find yourself? How do you nurture yourself? How do you support yourself when this just gets a little too much for you.

Adam Zuckerman  
It's rare that I get overwhelmed from it being too much. I have had a very interesting career with some very high-pressure situations. Like literally I used to sell clean energy to prime ministers and ministers of energy around the world. You know, flying from one continent to the other for a meeting overnight. I have never been so energized in my life because we were having such a positive impact on many people. 

My challenge is making time to say I'm going to go dog, I'm going go for a bike ride, I'm going to hang out with my wife more, I'm going to call friends more, I'm going to do this, do that because every bit of progress that we make doesn't help just one person, it's scalable to help a lot of people. So that's my biggest challenge. I love biking, I like mountain biking, like hiking, I love camping, I love food and food without the exercise is definitely something that you know, cause problems for a lot of people.

So it's, it's all of that. there's a balance. If we want to get a little bit spiritual in a weird way, I believe that we are effectively recycled stardust, you know, meat popsicles on a big rock that's floating through space that is going hundreds of thousands of miles an hour. When you take into account, you know, this trajectory of the planet and the solar system, yada, yada,

And if you think of it that way, without thinking about religion, per se, because that's that's a much bigger conversation. The question of legacy then goes like, what is legacy? Because if we're really just, you know, stardust, do you actually have legacy? And my opinion is that I'm not going to be remembered in 300 years, nor do I care if I am. There are very few people that will be. So what are you doing?

And my legacy is I want to leave the world a better place and have a great time doing that. And it's a challenge for me. I need to make more time to step away from Buried in Work to spend more time with people that I love.

Wakil  
Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm. Yeah, that's great. Yeah. And by the way, we love weird spirituality. anytime you want to... Yeah, absolutely. Bring it on. 
 
Annalouiza  
Yeah, I was gonna say, mm, that's par for course. 

Wakil
Yeah, no, that's great. I really, I love that picture. It reminds me of the Monty Python song you're standing on. Remember that you're standing on a planet that's evolving and revolving at 10,000 miles an hour. Yeah. 

Adam Zuckerman  
Exactly. Yeah.

Wakil  
 Yeah. That's great. And it's really, love the idea too of the legacy being what you're doing now. know, it's not like we're going to, you nobody, like you said, very few people are going to be remembered, but what we do each day and our intention that we set each day to create a better world is, is really the legacy that we have.

Adam Zuckerman  
Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm. 

Wakil
So thank you for that. Let's see what else we got here. Is there anything that really frightens you about the end of life?

Adam Zuckerman  
Ah... missed opportunity. I'm an adrenaline junkie. I love new things. I love travel. I've been to nearly 40 countries in the world. I'm very fortunate to have done that. And I think that without the knowledge of if there is another afterlife or if there is another chance that when it ends, it ends. And that's unfortunate because I want to have more experiences.

I think it's a little bit strange when people talk about reincarnation if you look at it from like a scientific perspective because reincarnation is always on earth, right? Why aren't you reincarnated on a, as a floof on a planet flarg, if that exists? 

Annalouiza  
Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm. I'm with you, Adam.

Wakil  
Hahaha.

Adam Zuckerman  
It's, it's a very, right? It's a very us centric view and people centric views. I used to be a so and so in my past life. So you assume that you were a human on earth,
ghosts beholden to gravity then? There's just so many things. I love that opportunity to learn and experience and I think that's what is the most frightening is that you might not have that opportunity

Wakil  
Mm, yeah, yeah, that's really interesting.

Annalouiza  
Hmm. You might. I always tell my kids, I'm like, I can't wait to like go to the other side because I'm to be exploring the universe. 

Adam Zuckerman  
Yeah. 

Annalouiza
Like the universes, the galaxies, the everything. I'm like so excited to go there. Yeah.

Adam Zuckerman  
Yeah, it's really possible. Yeah, it's a lot to think about.

Annalouiza  
I love it. So, Wakil, what do you think? How would you support your fear of missing out, of FOMO?

Wakil  
Well, yeah, Yeah, you're FOMO. That's one question, but you kind of talked about it a little bit. I don't know, is there anything else you'd like to say about how you deal with that fear? It's just like getting up every day doing the work. It sounds like the legacy idea, but is there anything else you'd, in reflecting about that.

Adam Zuckerman  
Yeah. I think that's it. I try and unplug sometimes. I've got some friends that are much better at it than I am. I think that there's probably a trajectory in life where when you pass certain milestones, it goes from, I want to be out all the time. I want to have as many friends as possible, as many connections as possible, and then more connections that are very close and meaningful. 

And I'm probably in one of the phases where I'm spending time with people that are very important in my life, family, friends. And I also think it's more difficult in social media times and the times that we live in now to make connections as you grow older that are meaningful because we live in that constant endless scroll, swipe what's next. And I grew up in a time period, listeners that can't see me, I'm in my mid-forties, where I was that three-year generation when I was born that then had the opportunity to have the freedom to go outside and meet people and also became a digital native. 

And it is very different for people that were in their adult stages of life when technology came to be versus their growing up stages of life with technology. And I have very firm roots in both sides of that. And I miss a lot of what it used to be while I'm also a huge fan of technology and love to see all of the different advancements of where it's taking us. So maybe that's something to think about too. How can we get back to our childhood more?

Wakil  
Yeah, I'm also, even though I'm quite a bit older, I was in technology for my career. So one of the, in my generation, fewer people that are, you know, love technology and play with it. I've also though really been thinking a lot about lately how we can be more responsible with our technology and how we can think better about how, you know, the Daniel Schmachtenberger, one of my favorite speakers lately, talks about being more aware of the externalities of the things we create in our social media and what happens and how we can think about that and develop things that are actually creating a better world, creating a more connected world instead of the way it is now, which creates division and corporate, more money in, you know, and it's all about making money and it's all about dividing us. 

If we could find a way to use that same technology, which we absolutely could, the algorithms and etc. to create more connection. So I just, I really appreciate you bringing that up because the love of technology and the hope that we can do better using that technology.

Adam Zuckerman  
Technology isn't good or bad. Technology just is. It's how it's implemented. It's how it's used. And that's a personal thing until we give sentient capability to computers on their own right. But technology, we have international travel on jets because countries went to war. So would we have developed that technology without it? I don't know.

Annalouiza  
Yeah.

Wakil  
Yeah. Yeah. And we were able to do this, you know, you know, and you've, yeah.

Adam Zuckerman  
Mm hmm. We wouldn't have this conversation without it. GPS and people go, I don't use AI. If you use Google Maps, you use AI.

Annalouiza  
Mm -hmm.

Wakil  
Yeah, absolutely. It's integrated into our lives whether we know it or accept it or not. But yeah, mean the thing you're doing with your website is such a great use of technology and such something that couldn't be done without it. So we are blessed and we have to be aware of how it's used. Yeah, so we usually end with,  what do you wish we had asked you? Anything that you would love to talk about?

Adam Zuckerman  
Hmm. I think that we covered a lot and the easy low hanging fruit is how do people find us, which is BuriedInWork.com a little bit of a punny name. So buried in work .com. We have a lot of resources that we didn't even touch the surface of from service provider directories, you know, a whole host of other things.

I'd love for people to come to the website, check things out, send us a note. What do you like? What don't you like? What resources were helpful for you? It is not just me that's working on it. There are a lot of people involved and we have only gotten to where we are with the help of other people. And if individuals that have gone through similar processes or have ideas want to reach out, you know, I'd love to hear from them.

Wakil  
Great. Thank you. Yeah, we'll definitely we'll have that in the podcast notes and link to that. we're going to get to look at it earlier because we've been blessed with a lot of people. And you're probably looking at October before this gets aired. But that's you know, we'll get to check it out earlier. And I'll certainly be referring it to my classmates or my students when I talk about it on my class. So so definitely thank you for for doing that and for being such an important part of infrastructure of end of life.

Adam Zuckerman  
Thank you so much.

Annalouiza  
Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm. And so we usually have a poem at the end. Did you pick a poem for us.

Adam Zuckerman  
I didn't actually yes I do. I Did sorry my mind went blank. 

This poem is from Henry Scott Holland. is called Death is Nothing at All. 

Death is nothing at all.
I have only slipped away to the next room.
I am I and you are you.
Whatever we were to each other,
That, we still are.

Call me by my old familiar name.
Speak to me in the easy way
which you always used.
Put no difference into your tone.
Wear no forced air of solemnity or sorrow.

Laugh as we always laughed
at the little jokes we enjoyed together.
Play, smile, think of me. Pray for me.
Let my name be ever the household word
that it always was.
Let it be spoken without effect.
Without the trace of a shadow on it.

Life means all that it ever meant.
It is the same that it ever was.
There is absolute unbroken continuity.
Why should I be out of mind
because I am out of sight?

I am but waiting for you.
For an interval.
Somewhere. Very near.
Just around the corner.

All is well.

Wakil  
Yeah, nice. Very nice. Appreciate that very much. And thank you for all you do. And we are looking forward to continuing to work together in whatever ways we can. So appreciate it. 

Annalouiza (33:46.2)
Thank you so much.

Annalouiza  
Yes.

Adam Zuckerman  
Me too. Thank you.