Telepathic Connections: Communicating with the Deceased with Fran Parker

In this episode, we welcomed Fran Parker. Fran is a writer who loves Earth and the diversity of life on planet Earth. Her awe of humanity's potential, her communication with God, and her journeys in dreams and meditations led her to write the book God's Gift to Gaia: Guidance for Awakening Humans.

Messages from Jesus led to a book sequel, Jesus Joins the Dialogue. Fran has a Ph.D. in Intercultural Education. She is Wakil's mother’s cousin, and they’ve had many fascinating conversations over the years. In today’s podcast, she'll share stories of her communications with close deceased relatives—her mother and father (who died in 1997) and her daughter Cathy (who died in 2020).

In this enlightening conversation, Fran Parker shares her profound experiences with death, communication with deceased loved ones, and the transformative impact these experiences have had on her life. 

She discusses the telepathic messages she received from her mother after her passing, the connection to nature and elementals, and the broader understanding of life and death. 

We emphasize the importance of recognizing the diverse ways we can communicate with the spiritual realm and the natural world, encouraging listeners to embrace their own experiences and stories. 

Fran shares her profound experiences with life after death, emphasizing the spiritual connections that persist beyond physical existence. 

She discusses the role of butterflies as symbols of communication from her deceased daughter, Cathy, and how these interactions have shaped her understanding of grief and connection. 

We explore the choices made by loved ones at the end of life, the joy found in grieving, and the excitement for what lies beyond. 

Fran also touches on her telepathic communications with spiritual figures, revealing a rich tapestry of experiences that challenge conventional views of life and death.

Lani Leary

Many Lives, Many Masters, by Brian Weiss

Transcript

Annalouiza (00:01.906)
Hello, hello. Today, we welcome Fran Parker. Fran is a writer who loves Earth and the diversity of life on planet Earth. Her awe of humanity's potential and her communication with God, as well as journeys and dreams and meditations, led to her writing the book, God's Gift to Gaia, Guidance for Awakening Humans.

Wakil David Matthews (00:27.372)
She tells us that messages from Jesus led to a book sequel called Jesus Joins the Dialogue. has a PhD in intercultural education and Fran's my mother's cousin so we've had many fascinating conversations over the years. In today's podcast she'll be sharing stories of her communications with close deceased relatives, her mother and father who died in 1997, and her daughter Kathy, who died in 2020. Thanks so much for being with us today. So great to have you.

Annalouiza (00:59.526)
Welcome. Yes.

Fran Parker (01:01.208)
Thank you. It's a joy to be here.

Wakil David Matthews (01:04.476)
So we always begin with the first question of when you first became aware of death.

Fran Parker (01:12.878)
Definitely, the major turning point for me in my life was my mother's death in 1997, September 11th. And she was only 75 years old, and we weren't prepared for her death. Just all of a sudden, she died in her sleep overnight. And she had been taking care of my father who was the one who was destined not to last a lot longer.

And I think she just wore out. 

Annalouiza (01:45.192)
Hmm.

Fran Parker (02:12.29)
But it was a shock to all of us. And our whole family drove down to North Carolina where she lived. And as we were gathering in the home and trying to figure out what to do and everything, she was sending messages like crazy. 

And my girls picked up on it right away. Both of my daughters immediately could hear her messages, could understand that that's grandma talking to me. And I could not, I could not hear them. But there were all these things happening that kind of made us say, what is that? know, like a rock that we pick up that's in her room and it's talking to us and kind of, you know, sending energy through our hands. 
Wakil David Matthews (02:31.74)
Hahaha.

Fran Parker (02:42.126)
Or we had my daughter's were preparing the room where she, it was a very small house, so they were preparing the room that she had lived in to sleep in that night. And so they pull out her favorite little radio and unplug it from the wall and it started playing a song. 

Wakil David Matthews (03:02.747)
Wow

Fran Parker (03:10.986)
Okay. This is an electric radio that doesn't, that's not possible to do. So, know, things like that.
So we knew something was going on, but we were just kind of, can you believe that? And all these different things. Sunsets, unbelievable sunsets every night. So after we went back home, I get back into my office and one of my doctoral students comes in and says, how are you doing? And she's a counselor on death and dying.

Her name is Dr. Lani Leary. She's quite fabulous. And she sat me down, closed the door, and hugged me for a long, long, long time. I cried and cried in her arms. And then she said, so what's happening? And I said, well, there's a lot of stuff to tell you about, but I don't know what to make of it. It's just very confusing, and I'm so emotional about this whole thing.

And she said, those are your mother's messages, Ginger. You've got to listen. You've got to journal. She said, journal, journal, journal, journal. 

Annalouiza (04:15.944)
Mm.

Wakil David Matthews (04:20.903)
Yeah

Fran Parker (04:38.578)
So I started writing down. My sister was letting me know every other day, this happened now. This is mom. I know this is mom. And so I kept a journal of all these things that were happening.

And then about a year after she had died, my sister called me and she said, mom's really mad at you. 

Wakil David Matthews (04:47.353)
Haha

Annalouiza (05:00.264)
Hmm.

Fran Parker (05:07.714)
And I said, okay. And she said, she can't connect to you. You know, she's really trying, but you just, aren't, she's not getting through. You're too busy. You're too wrapped up in your work and you need very badly to find a way to just listen, just listen. 

So we were on a plane to Alaska. It's going to another research site. we were, there were no passengers. It was going way out west to Bethel, Alaska. And the plane was really loud. It was an old jet plane. And I was sitting right next to the jet engine. And it kind of put me into a meditative state, just the the shaking of the plane and the sound of the jet engine. And all of a sudden, just, my tears just started pouring down and Wayne says, what's wrong, what's wrong? And I said, mother's here. And then I got her first messages that finally came through telepathically. And her very first words were, Ginger, it's more than you can possibly imagine. 

Wakil David Matthews (06:04.198)
Wow, yeah.

Annalouiza (06:05.116)
Wow.

Fran Parker (06:05.938)
It's just incredible. And there's lots of life beyond our planet and past our universe, know, it's all kinds of stuff to explore. 

Wakil David Matthews (06:07.665)
Yeah.
Beautiful.

Fran Parker (06:34.7)
And then she said, there is nothing to fear. Remember that there is absolutely nothing to fear. And then her third sentence was, we are all one. We are all one and she was gone.

So boy, did those messages go in inside my psyche and just totally stunned me and stayed with me for the rest of my life. And so then after that, we had this relationship. It was a regular thing. She would talk to me almost every day. I said, what are you doing, mom? And she said, I'm a guide. I decided to be a family guide for our family because I, I checked out too soon. 

And she said, and on top of that, we raised you in the Methodist church, but it's not really like that. All this stuff that you were trained on in the Methodist church, and she said, it's different. And so I want you to know all the things that are different from what most of the religions on earth teach you.

Wakil David Matthews (07:28.21)
Mm.

Fran Parker (07:37.542)
And so she said, so I'm going be your teacher. And sure enough, I'd walk into a bookstore, and she would make sure I got into the metaphysical section. And she'd push out the books that I was supposed to read next. 
Wakil David Matthews (07:40.786)
you

Wakil David Matthews (07:52.338)
Wow.

Fran Parker (08:07.144)
And she learned how to cross the two realms to be able to work physically with us as well as just the telepathic communications. She did that quite well. She was just really good at it. And I should say she is really good at it. 

Annalouiza (08:10.096)
Is it still going on today?

Fran Parker (08:37.204)
Yes. yes. And she's kept in very close touch with every single family member. Wayne is a scientist. This is my husband. And he was quite skeptical for the first six weeks or so. And when my father died, because my father had said, now that Jenny's gone, I can't stay in seven weeks he he was he checked out too. 

Wakil David Matthews (08:40.69)
Yeah.

Fran Parker (09:05.006)
And so we we were more prepared for his death and and by that time we'd had some pretty solid communications from my mom. But we had gotten used to that we knew that they were there by they would send a tiny little pinpoint of light into the room or outdoors, wherever we were. And my sister's daughter could actually see when she would look out the window at night and she'd say, hey, grandma's here. there's a whole bunch of, there are hundreds of other people with her, 

Wakil David Matthews (09:21.948)
Wow.

Fran Parker (09:33.644)
You know, and there were just thousands of points of light outside. And so when my father died, we were in a room preparing for his funeral service in memoriam the next day. And in our room, the two of them came, my mother and father, in those pinpoints of light and made it so obvious to Wayne, because they were moving around and kind of dancing. And he said, OK, OK, OK, Jenny and Frank, I get it. I get it. I know. You're alive and well and having fun. And so that was the beginning of just lots of really rich, all kinds of communications from them. For my mother, a lot of, we'd ask her about personal things, decisions to make with the family and stuff like that. And she was full of suggestions or she would explain why that wasn't such a good idea from her perspective her new perspective. 

And she didn't ever call it heaven, she just simply said, it's just, we just keep on going, we keep on living, you know? And she said, but it's fun stuff, it's all fun, and there is absolutely nothing to be concerned about, be worried about. So that was...

Wakil David Matthews (10:51.41)
Yeah, yeah.

Annalouiza (10:54.952)
So amazing. So amazing that you have this like, you know, it sounds like she almost wanted to apologize for your Methodist upbringing. You know, like even from the from the other side, they can come in and say, I'm sorry, I blew it. So your story is very rich and I'm curious how has this transformed your personal life, your day to day?

Fran Parker (11:27.214)
Well, it certainly made me a believer in telepathic communication and ability to connect to all kinds of life beyond, know, I connect telepathically to them on the other side, but I also connect to the natural world now too. So trees and plants and animals and insects and I can, you we can have a a dialogue, a communication telepathically. So it taught me telepathic communication and that's really the way most of the universe works. It's telepathic. you know, languages on earth are kind of primitive. 

Wakil David Matthews (12:12.146)
Yeah, that's so true.

Annalouiza (12:12.872)
100 % agree with you. I have been saying this to Wakil for a number of years. I'm so tired of prayers with words because it's it's just, it's just another construct. It's just another construct to like make us believe without those, cannot connect to anything else. And so just like, I've been really just growing into reluctance around language.

Fran Parker (12:20.704)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Wakil David Matthews (12:20.978)
Yeah, yeah.
 
Fran Parker (12:29.581)
Right.

Wakil David Matthews (12:35.506)
Yeah, and there's so much new science now that's letting reminding us of what most indigenous people have known forever that that all of those that there is nothing that can't communicate with us that can't be a part of us that is like your like your mom told you that we all everything is the same everything is one and it's all unity. Yeah, and so we can communicate with all those things and we should and by doing that we recognize that we'd have no right to exploit those those things, right?

Fran Parker (12:44.225)
Exactly.

Annalouiza (12:48.815)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Fran Parker (13:04.374)
Exactly. And we honor and love and respect every single being, every single entity, every single everything. Another thing it has done for us is connect with the elementals. So we live on a farm and we garden organically. And because we you know, we had that sense of, everything is alive and rich with all kinds of messages to give to us. 

So I'll give you an example. I was in the front yard, deciding where I was going to plant a new tree. It was a tree that had grown up in a spot where I didn't want it. And so was going to move it to another spot. And I picked just the right place, and I had my shovel, and I was just getting ready to dig.

And all of a sudden, what I now know is our landscape angel appeared to me. she is, her name is Deitas, and she's about 11 feet tall. 

Wakil David Matthews (14:16.7)
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.

Fran Parker (14:31.458)
And she appears in a kind of wispy, you know, non-physical body. And she said, immediately, she no. And she just yelled it to me where I couldn't possibly not pay attention. And she said, not there. No, not there. And so I said, OK, where do you want me to put it? And so she gave me a vision of me when I'm great-grandmother. And we were sitting in rocking chairs underneath this tree out in the field.

And it was in a place that didn't look to me like it was a good place to plant it at all. And I said, really? And then that vision was just so powerful. The grandkids were playing all around us. Great grandkids were playing around us. And this tree was huge. And so I said, OK. And I moved the spot to the place. And we put it in.
There was a fence that didn't fit with it, and it felt weird. We ended up moving that fence, taking it out. And now that it's gotten to some size, I see exactly why she needed us to put it there. It twins perfectly. It's a linden tre,e and it twins with our other linden that's there that's about 400 years old. And this one is becoming a magnificent large tree to match it. 

So our landscape angel has conferred with us several times since then. But she doesn't present herself very often, but we know her. And then we also meet with the other nature spirits that take care of the land and the plants and everything.

Annalouiza (16:13.926)
Yeah, it's as though they have the seven generations to our future planning and aside from our small, you know, generate one generation thoughts like it's.

Fran Parker (16:18.7)
Yeah, yes, they know much more. Yeah, much more than we do. They know much, more. Yeah.

Wakil David Matthews (16:24.402)
Yeah, A much bigger spectrum. Yeah. And I want to know if you've actually been out under that tree with your grandkids yet. 

Fran Parker (16:33.87)
Well, grandkids are now in their 20s, so I'm waiting for the great grandkids. But yeah, that's going to happen. I'm quite sure of it.

Wakil David Matthews (16:55.449)
That's right. That's the vision. right. I know. It's so great. You have to send a picture when that happens. I love it. That's really good. 

Fran Parker (17:02.476)
I have lots more I can tell about the influence too, if you want me to add some.

Annalouiza (17:07.772)
Well, I want to take a really quick moment and interject here that this is not going to be easy for a lot of people to hear. I want to have that awareness because in general, when things are inexplicable to a certain, you know, or certain population, I don't want those people to feel judged. And I don't want people who do believe this to also feel like you're protecting something. 

Fran Parker (17:33.08)
Yeah.

Annalouiza (17:37.288)
But I want this to be yet another way that we can understand that there are different ways of connecting around the death cycle and what is the death cycle for you and your the impact that your mother's death had for you made it clear that you don't see this as an ending of her soul but as it just like a re reanimating in a different sense right and so you know I want us all to just very gently hold this beautiful conversation so that nobody feels kind of othered by their

Fran Parker (17:57.558)
Exactly.

Annalouiza (18:07.324)
disbelief or anything. I want to just draw it to like, what is it about death and dying that gives us these gifts, right? When people share these things, some of us are ready to hear it. And your husband, it took him a long time to finally come to this realization. This is not just something that's happening. This is actually something very real.

Fran Parker (18:17.72)
Yeah.

Annalouiza (18:33.51)
And so, you know, maybe speak to about the challenges of having conversations like this or, or like, what, what, what do you, what would you like to impart to, to our listeners who may struggle with thinking they believe they hear a loved one from the other side, but don't want to be called nuts or wacky, right?

Wakil David Matthews (18:52.521)
Right. 

Fran Parker (18:54.338)
Well, thank goodness we're getting enough people who now are writing books about this. And that was another thing that happened when my mother was pushing books out, telling me, OK, this is your next book to read. The next theme that she decided to pursue with us was multiple lives. 

Annalouiza (19:14.12)
Beautiful. Beautiful.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Fran Parker (19:22.604)
And she said, we're eternal beings. We never die. We let go of our physical body. And she says, that's why there's no reason to fear. There's nothing to fear, absolutely nothing to fear. But she says that we do keep on going. And she did, you can choose. You choose what you want to do. So you can stay on the other side. You don't have to come back in to be another physical entity on whatever planet you want to be on you choose, you get to choose. 

You are a free soul to do anything you want to. she said, that's where, you know, the churches that raised you said, it's just one lifetime and that's it. And so you've got to be prepared for that. And she's just saying, it's much more than that. It's much, more than that. And so, that led us into reading books on multiple lives. 

Annalouiza (20:34.652)
Yes.

Fran Parker (20:47.714)
And there were a few authors at that time, this is 1997 when she died, a few authors that were coming out with stories of, know, mainly psychotherapists who were doing hypnotic regressions and recognizing that their patients were talking about another person, another being, and, you know, and it turned out to be past lives or sometimes future lives.

Annalouiza (20:49.392)
Yep. Did you cross paths with Many Masters, Many Lives that book? That was my very first book that I was. literally stumbled upon this book like I just like on some yard sale and it just kind of kept drawing my attention to go back and paid a 10 cents. And that was a really that was kind of an affirmation of what I already sensed. Mm hmm.

Wakil David Matthews (20:50.086)
Yeah.

Fran Parker (20:54.358)
Yes, yes.
Brian Weiss, think is the author.

Wakil David Matthews (21:12.434)
Yeah, it reminds me too what you were saying about the. And what Annalouiza was pointing to people not sometimes not being able to accept us. We had a guest talking about near death experience and she was when she first had that happen, she was it was quite a while ago, 20, 30 years ago or something.

Annalouiza (21:29.35)
Yeah, yeah.

Wakil David Matthews (21:41.074)
And she said that she was working in a psych hospital at the time. And so she didn't want to tell anybody because she felt like, you know, they're going to put me in the hospital and tell them, tell me I'm schizophrenic.

So she didn't tell anybody about it for a long time. then it, yeah. Yeah, but same thing, you know, we start seeing more and more scientific evidence and more and more people writing about it. And then she felt like she could finally tell her story and it was such a relief. Yeah.

Annalouiza (21:44.41)
It took her 20 years to finally come out and say something.

Fran Parker (21:46.466)
Yeah, yeah. And then once you tell your story, then there lots of people who it helps them to tell their story too. And everybody has a story. It's just finding the way of feeling comfortable that it's okay and you will still be loved.

Annalouiza (22:04.517)
Exactly.

Wakil David Matthews (22:04.838)
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah.

Annalouiza (22:15.46)
Mm-hmm. And, I also want to share that, you you actually have a direct kind of, it sounds like it's an English language communication, like you hear words. And I want to also open it up that sometimes people feel things, sometimes people dream things, some people have the sensation, like it's all different. We're not, you know, there's not just one way to have.

Fran Parker (22:40.632)
Exactly.

Annalouiza (22:41.288)
… a way to communicate, right? Like there's many technologies out there and in us, in us.

Fran Parker (22:43.34)
Yeah, Loads, of ways to communicate.

Wakil David Matthews (22:45.52)
Right. Yeah, you talked about some more of those. You talked about dreams and stuff in your diary you sent me. You want to tell them a little bit more about other ways that your loved ones have reached out to each other?

Annalouiza (22:52.657)
Mm-hmm.

Fran Parker (23:01.938)
Should I talk about my daughter? The stories about my mom and my dad are similar, but my mom, you know, remained our kind of our family guide for for all this time. She, by the way, has come back in in another body. And I know who she is. She's living not too far from us. But she also stays on the other side. 

So this is another interesting part of it. She says, we leave a part of our soul with us on the other side. if you want to call it heaven or whatever that term you want to use for the spiritual realm. So we're both there and here, in both places at the same time. And yeah.

Wakil David Matthews (23:51.046)
Wow.

Annalouiza (23:54.588)
Now we're talking quantum physics. I'm like, wait, stop the show. What? I love it.

Wakil David Matthews (23:56.41)
Yeah, right.

Fran Parker (23:58.506)
Exactly. So we got all of, you know, all this rich information from them, both in terms of what they have done in the between lives time, and then how they have also come back in to life here again, too. And so it's like their souls are sponsoring two more people who live on Earth, but they're also on the other side communicating with us too. So that's really, really cool.

Annalouiza (24:37.768)
Fran, this also reminds me there's a Korean science fiction writer who I read like two or three years ago, but he talked about, he has stories, like short stories that sound just like that. 

Fran Parker (24:55.192)
Yeah. Right.

Annalouiza (25:06.788)
Like the old one was actually the baby that was coming through, like the people, and had all these, almost like the nesting doll kind of idea. But, you know, I mean, I feel like that's also information that's coming to us even if it's titled fiction, right? These are dreams, these are stories that are kind of filtered out for the possibility of spending time thinking about and be like, that might actually be possible. Yeah.

Fran Parker (25:06.86)
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Wakil David Matthews (25:17.298)
Yeah, that could be true.

Fran Parker (25:17.752)
Yeah. So our daughter at age 56 was dying of cancer. And by the time that she was approaching death and we all, she was living with us. So we were all very much interconnected and assisting her with the transition. And so we knew that when she crossed over that she would keep the connection, keep in touch. 
So as soon as she crossed over, and this was at the time of the pandemic, this was 2020, which was a horrible time for her because at the very end we had a hard time being able to persuade the hospice center to let us be there physically because everybody was really freaking out about nobody was supposed to be anywhere except home.

Wakil David Matthews (26:15.986)
Yeah.

Fran Parker (26:16.89)
It was a very awkward time, but anyway, she knew that we prayed together every night, and so she crossed over peacefully, and then right away, within a very short time, it was clear to all of us that she was connecting to us by butterflies. 

Wakil David Matthews (26:40.13)
That's right. I remember that part.

Fran Parker (26:44.748)
She made it really clear that that, that's what she was going to do because she loved butterflies. And she had one special type of butterfly that she especially liked. She had married a Guatemalan man. And in Centroamerica, they have this iridescent blue butterfly. And that's just absolutely gorgeous and supposed to have a lot of magical qualities and so forth. And she had put one up on her wall that she found in a metaphysical shop to try to heal. She was really, really working hard on trying to heal her body and was not successful. 

So butterflies it was. Boy, did she send the butterflies. We collected a journal, and she was, at first she was chatting with me when she crossed over quite a bit. would just say a little something, and then she'd be gone. And then she'd come back again, usually when I was in the garden. If I was in the garden, there she was. she did little, she'd do teasing things like, Mom, I don't like the way you're weeding. 

Wakil David Matthews (27:56.113)
Hahaha.

Fran Parker (28:11.918)
I don't want you to pull out that plant. We'll do that. And another, she was trying very hard to do what my mom had done, which was to be able to influence the physical realm. And so she was practicing different things. 

And it was about 10 days after she left, I was out picking green beans. And I had picked one, we had a very prolific crop that year. And I had one section that I had done that was, this was a one on a climbing kind of place, vines. And so I decided I was going to pick this completely clean, which I did.

And I come back the next morning. And I'm going to pick the next section. But I thought I'd just lift up a couple of leaves and see. It was just full of green beans right there, where I had completely emptied it the night before. And I said, Cathy, did you do that? And she said, yeah, I did. And she was really pleased with herself. So that's the kind of thing that she did at the beginning.

She loved my daughter, my sister's grandchildren, and she didn't get to, she loved children. She was a teacher. She was a bilingual teacher. And she didn't get to be with those kids nearly as much as she wanted. They were her nieces and nephews or something, whatever the relationship is, cousins. But anyway.

So she started visiting them every day. So the kids would be out playing and here'd be these butterflies come, you know. And my sister and her daughter would say, that's Cathy, you know. there's Cathy, you know. 

Wakil David Matthews (29:58.716)
Hehehe.

Annalouiza (29:58.854)
Mm-hmm.

Fran Parker (30:12.59)
And so finally, one of her sons who was eight years old, he says, I am so done with this story.
Kathy can't possibly fit inside that butterfly. And his 10-year-old brother said,

Wakil David Matthews (30:16.572)
Hahaha.

Fran Parker (30:22.314)
It's okay, she can, because you can do anything you want to. When you're in the spiritual realm, you can do whatever you want to. And she can do that if she wants to. And she's that, she's just, she's visiting us in the butterfly. And he said, Oh! and he accepted the story. And so then from then on, it was, hey, look, there's Kathy. It was a great way for her to be remembered, you know, by those kids doing that butterfly thing.

Wakil David Matthews (30:47.046)
Yeah, yeah, that's so great. Really, so sweet.

Annalouiza (30:48.412)
Mm-hmm.

Fran Parker (30:51.688)
And then we had even like friends who were one lived in North Carolina, another lived in another state. And they would say, I had this butterfly that we've never seen this species before. You know, what is this? That's Kathy's visit. OK. That's great. So that was was the means of.

Annalouiza (31:12.348)
coming through.

Wakil David Matthews (31:14.524)
Yeah. I know. That's so great. You and I had a bit of a conversation. I just want to reflect on this a little too about, did you ever feel like they were held against their will? you know, we love to have them around. And I think you and I talked about this, you know, did you feel like you're kind of keeping them from being able to just go by being being so much in love with their visits and all that? And you talked about it a little bit. You want to tell me again what you said?

Fran Parker (31:48.31)
Yeah, let's see. Well, definitely with Kathy, she had cancer that was pretty nasty. It was metastasized, so was all over her body. And it was quite a challenge for her to even decide that she wanted to try to stay. But her son was too, she felt too young for her to leave yet, early 20s.

She said, I just got to stay for his sake. so she chose. Up until that time, she'd only done homeopathics and herbal remedies for everything medical. And she just refused to have anything to do with allopathic medical system. And so then when she made a decision, the cancer, just all of a sudden, she was told this is what you have. And she hadn't been willing to accept it until then. So then she accepted it and she said, OK, I'm going to go with the chemo thing. I'm going do it. And so she stayed for two more years doing chemo. But it was really tough on her body. 

Wakil David Matthews (33:04.402)
Yeah, yeah.

Fran Parker (33:14.06)
It was just so painful to go through that with her as her mom and me and just all of the all the pain that she went through those two years. And I really wish that we had been able to have some counselor say, it's time, you know, instead of dragging that on for her. was so, so painful. It really was.

Annalouiza (33:29.737)
Fran, could I ask you about that though? I heard you say that she wanted to try to live longer for her son. And so she was looking for quantity of days, right? And not necessarily quality because she was trying to keep it in this form, in this plane with her son. So that was a value that she had though, right?

Fran Parker (33:37.261)
Yes, yes, yes. And she chose that. So that's fine. It really was fine. was tough, but it was a hard thing for her to do. it was beautiful. It was very loving. And she does stay in touch now with my other daughter, who's the one who kind of shepherds this son, because he doesn't have any parents now.

And so we all help him, but he's on his own now. He's doing OK.

Wakil David Matthews (34:32.582)
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, yeah, yeah. That's a good family there. But just back to that thought about, because you and I did talk about this, being in touch, loving the connection with people, sometimes you're not letting them go on and do what they need to do on the other side, right? Yeah, and we talked about that a little bit.

Fran Parker (34:50.691)
Yeah, I see what you're saying. they say that it doesn't, as long as it's not a connection that's a desperate kind of connection, that it's just where they're having fun and then they go and do other things. So Cathy does what she's doing now is she'll go, she was a dancer and she just loved life. She was just full of all kinds of, did all kinds of things.

And so she's doing that on the other side, which includes visiting other universes. So when she left this universe, she didn't check in with us for months. She was somewhere way off in another dimension of some kind. And she was just having fun exploring because she loves to travel. So she was exploring the spiritual realm and just seeing what was or all the different things.

She does assure us, as have both of my parents, that there's plenty of life beyond Earth, by the way, in our universe. That it's rich and full and there's loads of stuff to explore.

Annalouiza (35:58.951)
Mm-hmm.

Wakil David Matthews (36:07.538)
Yeah, yeah. So they're really kind of letting you know that this is their choice to be visiting and that and and you said I think you told me that your grandma or that your mom also kind of went away for a while and you said and you you felt like she was released or she was not that there's not so much she was released but that you're not holding tight to that that you're allowing you all are all your family are enjoying that connection and she's enjoying it and you're and your other family members.

Fran Parker (36:13.09)
Yeah. Yeah.
No.

Wakil David Matthews (36:37.266)
But there's no like we're hanging on to you can't leave. You know, it's like they come and go with love and agency. Yeah.

Fran Parker (36:40.43)
Rright, right, you know. And it did change the grief process quite a bit. I mean, we still did lots of grieving, but it was joyful grieving. It felt good. didn't feel sad at all. 

Annalouiza (36:40.978)
Right.

Wakil David Matthews (36:55.217)
Yeah, yeah, that's a beautiful thing. That's a beautiful part of it.

Fran Parker (37:08.416)
I did most of my grieving with Kathy during the period where she was, from the time that the cancer was diagnosed until her death.

And by the time that she had crossed over, were just, we were celebrating together instead of, I didn't have many tears left because I had done all my grieving early.

Wakil David Matthews (37:13.434)
Yeah

Annalouiza (37:20.796)
Yeah, and that's another thing that, you know, we can also offer to listeners. Like, there are some family members that you're welcome to bid adieu because this is a relationship between, you know, people and spirits or whatnot. But it's OK when it's like, I need my space. You know, and that also kind of protects oneself from the exhaustion of listening. You know.

Wakil David Matthews (37:45.926)
Right? Yeah. Yeah.

Fran Parker (37:47.116)
Yes. Yes.

Annalouiza (37:50.428)
Like it's okay. Like there's no one way to do it, but whatever you're sensing for yourself is a hundred percent appropriate for you.

Wakil David Matthews (37:58.106)
Yeah, I think that's really a beautiful point to make for everybody is that this is not done one way or another. And no matter what your experience is, it's valid and beautiful and say thank you, know, gratitude. 

Fran Parker (37:58.144)
Exactly,

Annalouiza (38:11.272)
Precious and yes, absolutely.

Wakil David Matthews (38:24.164)
Yeah, precious. Exactly. Yeah, this has been really fun. We do we are kind of getting toward the end of the time, but I wanted to just double-check. Is there anything else? Well, Annalouiza, is there anything else you'd like to ask? And then we always end with the questions or anything that we didn't ask you that you'd like to talk about too. So Annalouiza, did you have any other questions that you wanted to ask?

Annalouiza (38:34.504)
I just, yeah, just cause my favorite question is what frightens you about the end of life? It's like, you know, like what is it that you, and some people have no fears around end of life. So that's also a hundred percent available, but what, what is it?

Fran Parker (38:50.296)
Yeah, I like that question. And that's one of the things that my mom taught me. I mean I don't fear the end of life at all. do. I feel like I'm going to miss my family, you know, and so that sense of leaving them and what's going to come next. 

Wakil David Matthews (39:13.2)
Hehehe.

Fran Parker (39:18.454)
But one of the things that's happened is that both Wayne and I get a lot of lucid dreams about our future life. And we've got quite a plan for what we're going to do next. 

Annalouiza (39:21.508)
Mm hmm. Good, beautiful. 

Wakil David Matthews (39:24.323)
Hahaha.

Fran Parker (39:24:89
Next to the one that we have now. And so I don't feel bad even about leaving my husband because I know we're going to we're going to meet again…

Annalouiza (39:31.419)
Yeah. There's a soul contract. Yep. I love it. Beautiful.

Wakil David Matthews (39:36.37)
Hahaha.

Fran Parker (39:27:40)
… and we're going to do more fun stuff. it's just and it's also much fun. You know, it's so full of it's just full of excitement and joy and wonder and beauty and my goodness.

Annalouiza (39:46.256)
Yes, Fran. So you and I are literally on the same page as I've said this for over a decade. I'm like, I'm excited. I am so excited for the other side. Like it's another adventure. I'm so ready.

Wakil David Matthews (39:46.532)
Yeah.

Fran Parker (39:52.726)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I guess the other thing I could add to this one is I mentioned in the bio statement is the two books that I've written fairly recently. They're spiritual books. And that again happened. It sort of happened to me because of the telepathic communication that I learned with my mom. 

We grew up in, our grandfather was a minister and, you know, lot of connections with different types of churches. And I, my first husband was a minister. And so I was in the church serving as an assistant minister for seven years. And, you know, we've had all these different experiences. And then, so I had learned a lot about prayer, but I'd never been very good at it. And I realized as I've gotten older that one of the reasons is that my first husband had prayers that were way too long.

Wakil David Matthews (41:19.036)
Ha ha

Fran Parker (41:19.144)
As did Grandpa, they all were prayers that guided God to do what he, the prayer giver, the prayer speaker wanted to happen. In other words, it wasn't exactly…

Annalouiza (41:36.978)
There were petitions.

Wakil David Matthews (41:39.516)
Yeah.

Fran Parker (41:48.142)
Yeah, yeah. And I didn't like that. so I ended up not praying in very, other than kind of moments and more like visions and things, but not in words. And I don't think prayers have to be in words anyway. But I do like the idea of connecting with the spiritual realm by prayer or by meditation. And so in meditation, I was on a vacation and I'm floating in a pool of water.
And all of a sudden, I get this message from God saying, Ginger, we need to write a book. And I said, what? I'm busy. I don't have time. I have other books I have to write. And he said, no, it's just I need you. I need you to do this. 

So I said, OK. And I started taking down the messages that I was getting. And it was it was pretty substantial, and so I ended up actually publishing that. And then towards the end of that, was in a, had, I do these things where I go out of body, and I had taken my two daughters to a place that I like in Bermuda where I wanted them to get healed. And we were in the water and we were having a healing ceremony, and all of a sudden Jesus appeared.

And it was the Jesus that I knew kind of from my childhood days growing up. He was dressed like that. And he said, I need you to meet me back here tomorrow, and we're going to talk. And the word was, I want to put a few of the messages, my messages, in the book that you're writing for God.

Wakil David Matthews (43:41.138)
Hahaha

Fran Parker (43:43.87)
I said, OK. so then I started taking the messages from Jesus. And they were quite different. And so we connected telepathically. And I wrote them down. And I said, this is getting to be an awful lot to put into one book. And I said, do you want your own book?

Wakil David Matthews (44:02.898)
That's great.

Annalouiza (44:10.354)
Mm-hmm.

Fran Parker (44:13.334)
And he said, yeah, please. And so this whole process has just led to this unfolding of telepathic communications with most anybody you want to connect with. And it's just fun. It's really, really fun. Yeah.

Annalouiza (44:15.516)
Mm-hmm.

Wakil David Matthews (44:18.202)
Yeah, that's beautiful, beautiful. Yeah, looking forward to reading those books and also putting them up for the audience to be able to check it out. 

Annalouiza (44:18.318)
Mm hmm. I love it.

Fran Parker (44:27.054)
It's kind of wild, but yeah.

Annalouiza (44:30.275)
It's all good.

Wakil David Matthews (44:46.77)
Yeah, yeah, well, you know, it's all good. Yeah, great. 

Wakil David Matthews (44:46.934)
Well folks, and as always, we like to end our podcast with a poem. And Fran has offered to share with us a beautiful poem that she sent to me earlier. so Fran, why you tell us a little bit about where this came from and then go ahead and read it for us.

Fran Parker (44:51.988)
Okay, well, this is written by Jesus. And when I connected with him to write a second spiritual book, I asked him to talk about healing. And this was the poem that he gave me on healing.

Wakil David Matthews (45:09.428)
Beautiful.

Fran Parker (45:11.966)
So this is what he said,

Healing is knowing your eternal connectedness with all that is. 
Healing is feeling the love that surrounds you. 
Healing is releasing fear. 
Healing is trusting that you are regenerating every cell of your body. 
Healing is knowing the truth.
Healing is understanding that you chose your life. 
Healing is knowing how powerful you are.

Wakil David Matthews (45:21.946)
Wow, beautiful. Well, thank you. Thank you, Jesus. And thank you, Fran. 

Fran Parker (45:46.498)
Yeah, let's do growth for this important ministry.

Wakil David Matthews (45:46.77)
Really appreciate you. It's been so great to have this conversation. I'm looking forward to talking to you some more. Because I had a similar experience with my mom and dad. You remember, Jeannie died before Vern, and that was sort of the same idea. So we'll talk. We'll talk some more. And Annalouiza and you can call and talk to each other in Spanish.

Annalouiza (46:12.2)
That's right. That's right. I love this.

Wakil David Matthews (46:17.061)
All right, well, thank you so much. Many blessings. Take care. I'll end this by turning it off.

Fran Parker (46:18.734)
Thank you. Thank you.

Annalouiza (46:19.432)
Thank you, Fran.