Curtis Boyd - Fitness & Diet: A Leadership Tool for Finding Balance in Life & Business

summary

In this conversation, Branden Sewell interviews Curtis Boyd, the owner of Uniservices, a handyman service based in Charleston, South Carolina. They discuss Curtis's transition from a moving company to handyman services, emphasizing the importance of customer service and organization in the home services industry. Curtis shares his experience using Jobber for business management, marketing strategies for client retention, and the significance of financial analytics. The conversation also touches on the role of fitness in maintaining a healthy work-life balance and how self-care impacts business success. In this conversation, Curtis Boyd and Branden Sewell discuss the intersection of fitness, family, and personal health. They share insights on navigating the challenges of parenthood while maintaining a fitness routine, the importance of consistency, and how to create family-oriented fitness activities. They emphasize the significance of longevity in health, practical steps for getting started on a fitness journey, and making healthier nutritional choices without overcomplicating the process. The discussion highlights the balance between fitness and lifestyle, encouraging listeners to prioritize their health for themselves and their families.

takeaways

• Curtis Boyd transitioned from a moving company to a handyman service.
• Customer service is crucial in the home services industry.
• Jobber helps streamline business organization and client management.
• Reaching out to previous clients can boost business.
• Investing in a CRM like Jobber shows professionalism and care.
• Self-care is essential for business growth and personal well-being.
• Creating a routine can enhance productivity and leadership.
• Fitness plays a significant role in maintaining business resilience.
• Balancing work and family life is vital for long-term success.
• Don't overcomplicate your life; focus on what matters. Consistency is key in fitness and family life.
• Health and fitness extend beyond the gym.
• Creating family fitness routines can be enjoyable.
• Prioritize mental health alongside physical health.
• Start small; even a short walk is beneficial.
• Nutrition plays a crucial role in overall wellness.
• It's important to educate yourself about food choices.
• Balance is essential in maintaining a healthy lifestyle.
• Don't compare your journey to others; focus on your own progress.
• Taking care of yourself is a way to show love

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Transcript

Branden Sewell (00:01)
Hi everybody, I'm Brandon Sewell. I'm the owner of Seal Pro Painting located in central Florida. I'm also the host of the Off the Ladder podcast. And we exist to help home service business owners learn so that they can lead well and ultimately live life off of the ladder. Today's guest is Curtis Boyd. I'm excited to have him on here. He is the owner and founder of Uniservices, which is a handyman service.

Welcome to the show, Curtis. Thanks for being here.

Curtis Boyd (00:31)
Yeah, thanks for having me, man. We're based here out of Charleston, South Carolina. We do a little bit of everything when it comes to the home services, remodeling, assembly. We've been in business since roughly about February of actually this year. So it's short lived, but it's actually been really good transition for us.

Branden Sewell (00:48)
Nice.

That's awesome. So what did you, what were you doing before you decided to start your own business?

Curtis Boyd (00:59)
So before this, I owned a moving and delivery company that I bought into when I moved here in Charleston, South Carolina. And that was a partnership with a buddy of mine. Unfortunately, we separated ways because that didn't work out. But it was OK because it was mutual. The business did well. We just didn't see eye to eye on certain things, which is completely OK. That's a part of business. But we moved on from it, and here we are.

Branden Sewell (01:15)
Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, I've, you know, I've been there. Partnerships are tough, you know, so anyone listening to this, would be very...

Curtis Boyd (01:29)
Yeah.

Branden Sewell (01:34)
you know, just leery of going into a business partnership. It's really hard that I've found to be able to manage the expectations of both parties, right? So I think what you get into is, you know, one person's doing one thing, the other's doing another. There's, you know, both people are putting in effort. One might be more than the other. And then you get into those like squabbles of like who deserves what. And it's really hard to manage that.

Curtis Boyd (02:00)
Yeah.

Branden Sewell (02:03)
and those expectations. So man, I'm super leery of like going into business partnerships now just because I've been a part of two failed partnerships and it's really tough. So I totally feel you there. as far as like the moving...

Curtis Boyd (02:06)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Branden Sewell (02:23)
industry goes. I've got a good friend of mine here locally owns a moving company and does really good. His name is Colton Jones and he owns Top Team Moving based out of like the Melbourne area in Florida. So not sure if you've ever heard of him but

Curtis Boyd (02:29)
Nice.

Okay.

Awesome. No, I've never heard of them, but there's so many moving companies out there. It's like, that's one of those things. You get the moving company that's top tier, like, you know, probably your buddy Colton, and you get the moving companies that it's just the guy that's grabbing possibly even maybe a U -Haul, but they don't pad anything.

Branden Sewell (02:41)
Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, right.

Curtis Boyd (02:55)
There's so many out there, but it takes a lot to run a successful moving company. But that's awesome though. It's definitely a good industry for people to be in, especially if it's something you don't even have to love the job. But if you love taking care of clients, it's an awesome industry to be in.

Branden Sewell (02:59)
Yeah.

Yeah, yeah for sure. Well, he seems to be pretty passionate about it, does really well, has a great reputation. He's a young guy too, he's only 23 and just, he's crushing it. He's a good guy. So anyway, that's cool that you were involved in that. So...

Curtis Boyd (03:16)
Yeah. Nice.

Yeah.

Branden Sewell (03:25)
transitioning into the handyman services. I'm sure that's a bit of a difference, you know business, I feel like at the end of the day, especially with home services, it's really about customer service. I feel like now I'm sure each

Curtis Boyd (03:38)
Yeah.

Branden Sewell (03:47)
industry is a little bit nuanced, but I feel if you can offer great customer service, you could do pretty much any home service business, right? Especially if you have leadership ability. So we talked about this before this show started that you're part -time off the ladder. What do you find that you are like...

Curtis Boyd (03:49)
Yeah.

100%. Yep, 100%.

Branden Sewell (04:08)
best at and passionate with your business, what kind of things are you doing in your business to just help it grow and scale?

Curtis Boyd (04:17)
I'd say basically my main thing is making sure that jobs are getting completed in a successful amount of time and manner, just cause you know, when you drag things on, people get exhausted, people get antsy customers are like these people have been in my house for four months, you know, and it's like, and that's just when, I mean, obviously some projects take that long, but if you organize them and correct, you know, set them up the right way, you can go through and get through these jobs and knock them out. mean, you know, a couple days, maybe a week.

Branden Sewell (04:33)
Yeah.

Curtis Boyd (04:46)
things like that overtaking months at a time.

And then when I'm actually in the field, I'm more so like the assemble guy, you know, I see a Pilates table I'm all over it, you know, you see a treadmill I'm putting it together, know showing the guys out there like look these things are easy, you know, and that's why I like to do them because it's like you get to a point in your life where you know, I had my son about three years ago and I started realizing you can literally dedicate your whole day to other people and then you can completely forget about your family in a second. It's not like you forget about them. You just get caught up working. So you're kind of like

Branden Sewell (04:49)
Yeah.

No.

Curtis Boyd (05:18)
You're like cheating on your family with time, you know, because you only get so much time when your kids are growing up. You know, my son's three now and I was like, OK, what are things that like I like to do in the industry that I've always loved to do that's super easy for me doesn't take any type of thought process? And obviously, you don't want to always do the easiest things because those are super highly like the markets usually saturated on stuff like that because nobody likes to do hard stuff.

Branden Sewell (05:21)
Yeah.

Nice, yeah.

Curtis Boyd (05:43)
But it's like if you provide an excellent service and an unforgettable experience for that client, you're gonna be busy regardless. So when I'm in the field, that's the things I do. When I'm off the ladder, I'm more so project managing, keeping everybody in line, making sure the guys are taken care of and they're there working. Stop by there, say hi, talk to the client, bring the guys some food, some drinks, let them know you appreciate them. And little stuff like that goes a long way.

Branden Sewell (05:49)
Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Now let me ask you this. Are you, I found you through the Jobber Entrepreneurship Group on Facebook. Are you a Jobber user? Okay. So, so let's just, let's just go down this topic for a moment. You talk about organization.

Curtis Boyd (06:18)
Absolutely, 100%.

Yeah. Yes.

Branden Sewell (06:29)
I feel like it's not rocket science to like in order to offer a great service and to have a customer experience that your customers are going to rave about is a big part of that is just being organized. So obviously like that's part of what jobber does for home service companies. It's like if you're listening to this and you're a home service business owner and you're, you know, you feel like you're just like spinning your tires and you're trying to figure out how to grow your company and you're

Curtis Boyd (06:43)
Yes.

Branden Sewell (06:59)
like, man, I've got upset customers and, you know, everything seems like a mess. Well, if you're like...

writing down information on like paper invoices and losing them in your dirty work truck and you know misplacing papers and all of this stuff and your business is totally disorganized you can't stay on schedule you don't do what you say you're gonna do you can't remember details of what you've offered well that's gonna be a reflection of your business and the service that you offer so obviously jobber helps home service business owners to be

Curtis Boyd (07:31)
reset.

Branden Sewell (07:36)
organized. So I'm curious, how do you as a business owner use Jobber to keep things organized and run your business better?

Curtis Boyd (07:37)
Yes, sir.

Basically, the number one thing I realize is like being able to have all your clients under one platform and be able to just offer them services when it comes like sending quotes, just the ease of being able instead of being like, well, hold on, let me go to my car real quick or something like that. And let me see if I can calculate this price up for you. When it's really, you already have these prices already, you know, writing your quotes, when you do an onsite estimate, you know, you go do your onsite assessment, you can do the onsite assessment through job or right there on the phone, you can type in any

notes, take any pictures, and you just create a really smooth experience for the client. And then it's like when you send the invoice at the end, you can email them and send the work in an email so they know the work was completed. They can get their signature. And on top of that, they have a really, like I really love CRMs that have a really secure payment processor.

Branden Sewell (08:34)
Yeah.

Curtis Boyd (08:35)
Because man, I like when I started my first, well, I had a moving company in Michigan, First Option Delivery. When I had that, I was just all paper, paper and pen old school. And it was like, I thought to myself, I'm just like, now I'm like, dude, if I would have had a CRM then, like I was, I was always on point, but it was more so just like, you have to fight so much harder. Like, dang, when did I do Mrs. Judy's job? And then you're looking through 500, 600 papers, trying to find when you did Miss Judy, like, was it July? Was it August? And you try to remember in timestamp, when really,

Branden Sewell (08:42)
Mm -hmm.

Yeah.

Curtis Boyd (09:04)
When you got job or you just go on there and type in Judy, it'll tell you all the work you've done for and it keeps everything organized for you. And then like on top of that, like I said, customers are usually pretty weary about giving their credit card. And it's like, when you have this system, it's more comfortable. It's more of a comfortable system. They're familiar with it. It's super easy to use from their side. Anytime, like I have my admin, Amanda, she's doing anything. Like I tell her, put yourself as a test in there and see how the customers see it. Cause you know, if, if they call us with a question, we got to know how to answer.

answer that form. We can't just hop on chat, you know, and it's just nice to be able to do those things. So I love Jobber. Like that's one of the things, like the first thing when we started, said, we need a CRM. I don't know. I was looking through like Housecall Pro, Jobber, there was a couple other ones and I just found Jobber to just be more easy, more efficient, you know, it was more spoken about and I like it a lot.

Branden Sewell (09:53)
Yeah. Yeah, I kind of compare like, it's like jobber is like iPhone.

and all the other CRMs are like Android. I don't know. I don't know if you're an iPhone or an Android person, but I'm iPhone all the way. And I just, like the ease of use, right? That's why, like I used to, back before I ever owned my own business, I used to sell phones actually. everybody would be like, I love Android. And it was like, I had an Android for the longest time and the platform was like really customizable and complicated kinda. And then I moved to iPhone. I was like, this is so simple.

Curtis Boyd (10:08)
Yeah.

Yep.

Yep.

Yeah.

Super simple.

Branden Sewell (10:31)
It's so simple and like everything's connected and it's easy to use. It's easy to understand. So I think Jobber is like you said, it's very simple. think they've designed a platform that's easy for customers to work with and integrate into their business. So yeah, I 100 % agree. I'm a huge advocate for using Jobber. So that's awesome. So

Curtis Boyd (10:42)
Yep.

Yep.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Branden Sewell (11:00)
What are some of the other things that you enjoy with Jobber in your business? What do you think? Obviously you really like to stay organized and manage your projects well. How else is Jobber helping you to deliver a really great experience? Yeah.

Curtis Boyd (11:12)
Yeah.

Mm

Premium service. Another thing is reaching back out to previous clients. A lot of people in the service industry is all about new acquisition. new acquisition is hard. It's expensive. It's a lot of work. you've already done work for, say, this year alone. We've got 176 clients.

since you know and we've only been using Jobber since April that's not counting from like in February you know we were just using trials just seeing how he liked it but what Jobber's been able to do is through like their marketing system to be able to take all those people's emails or phone numbers and just reach out to them say hey you know we did a job for you and it'll it'll automatically set which date you did the job and when you last visited their house and say we miss you here's a 15 % off coupon and they might be like holy crap I need my toilet you know replace I might as well use this 15 % and so reaching back out using the market

Branden Sewell (11:42)
Mm

Yeah.

Curtis Boyd (12:12)
marketing through it and all the integration that it has to be able to reach out to old clientele and stuff like that has been huge for us. Like actually just reached out to a client the other day through it and she's like, yep, actually Curtis, we got some work for you. Cause I'm in, I'm headed to Michigan. We're in Finley, Ohio visiting some family right now. But she was like, when you guys get back, you know, we can go ahead and schedule some or, know, we can schedule it while you're in Michigan. She's like, but I don't want to bother you on vacation. I'm like, look, it's super easy for me. Everything's in here. Just tell me what you need. I can send over the quote. So it's just,

Branden Sewell (12:41)
Yeah, yeah.

Curtis Boyd (12:42)
just nice having that ease and stuff like that. And also checking the financials, that's another big one. Just knowing your payouts, your transactions, keeping track of all that stuff, knowing what your year -to -dates are, all your analytics and all that stuff is another pretty big important role in Jobber for us.

Branden Sewell (12:45)
Yeah, for sure.

Yeah, I really like they've come a long way since like I've been using them for a few years and they've come a long way on like the reporting and the analytics. And so I love that like now you can go in and you can run a report and you can see like what's your conversion rate, what money is on the table. You know, it's just it's really good to help you run the business better. I was gonna say like,

Curtis Boyd (13:09)
Yeah.

Yes.

Branden Sewell (13:25)
You know, some people get on the fence. They're like, man, you know, a CRM, it's going to be so expensive. And they're looking at that price. And to me, what investing in a CRM says to my clients is I care.

Curtis Boyd (13:33)
Yeah.

Branden Sewell (13:41)
right? It says, I'm professional and I care about your experience. I want you to have an experience that has ease and you know, there's great communication. It's clear. There's no like gray area. So I love like the automations that are built in the job or like our customers know when we're going to show up because we say when we're on our way, they get reminders. You know, they're going to have all the details of their job. They can have confidence in like,

Curtis Boyd (13:53)
Absolutely.

Yep. Yep. Yep.

Branden Sewell (14:11)
the payment process of, you know, like you mentioned, the secure job or payments. So all of that says, care. And I think when you're trying to, you know, speak to your customer, you want to not just, what am I trying to say? It's like the things that you do to invest in your business,

Curtis Boyd (14:16)
Yep.

Yep.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Branden Sewell (14:38)
speak to your customer, you know, so like, yeah.

Curtis Boyd (14:40)
Yeah, it's part of your first impression. When they see you walk in with that tri -paper that you got the white, yellow, and the pink, they're like, you know what I mean? And then you come up with them like, hey, no, I just sent you a quote to your phone. And they're like, pick up their phone. It's right there. Everything's broken down in detail. Super easy. And it's like, you put your card in right here, you can pay whatever, however you want to do it. You can pay your deposit. And it's just comfortable for them. You make a really good first impression because it shows you care. It shows you have some type of organization in your business.

Branden Sewell (15:01)
Yeah.

Curtis Boyd (15:10)
willing to and also like I had a client tell me the day like the fact that you're using something to protect their data you know like nobody you know you got a truck and you got all your papers in the front what's to say one person don't walk by and just look in your front window and now you got all that customers information just sitting there it shows you care you know you've got this stuff in a secured basically a secured locker that's just for you know your admin and yourself to see and they respect that a lot

Branden Sewell (15:16)
Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, that's really good. you know, so I think if anybody's listening to this and you're maybe on the fence of like, you know, you're asking yourself like, man, should I invest in a CRM? I don't know if I can afford it. And I say this all the time, but just to say it again, maybe this is your first time listening to my podcast.

is like you can't afford not to invest in something like Jobber because Jobber is really going to enhance your business. It's gonna make it more efficient and it's gonna actually help you to grow. So yes, it's an investment, but there's definitely a return there and you'll definitely see that. I think like anything you have to...

You can't like set up jobber and then do nothing with it, right? Like it's like, okay, I'm going to buy this and then just not do, you know, okay, well then it's not going to work, but it's not because it's not effective. It's because you are lazy in the implementation, right? But if you get it set up and you use all of the different features that jobber has to offer, you're going to get incredible value out of what jobber has to offer for your business.

Curtis Boyd (16:28)
You're not there. Yeah.

You're not using it. Yeah.

No.

Absolutely.

Branden Sewell (16:50)
One, would say definitely use Jobber and second, make sure you just implement everything that it has to offer because it makes a difference.

Curtis Boyd (16:59)
Yeah.

And on top of that too, people that aren't tech savvy, I was one of those people that wasn't really tech savvy. I do have an iPhone, by the way. I love Apple products. I wasn't a tech savvy person. That's why I was like, well, I'm not going to know how to use this. But I'm like, if I can take the time to write out by hand all these invoices, I can get on a CRM and type it in. And if you don't know how to use it, they have an awesome chat team where you can reach out to them. And you can even call them and set up yourself with somebody.

Branden Sewell (17:10)
Yeah

Curtis Boyd (17:31)
they can go ahead and walk you through if you tell them this is how I want my business to run, this is what I'm looking for, they can tell you how to set everything up step by step. And it's like give that thing an opportunity, give something an opportunity so that way you can protect your customers data, because it's huge. And I tell people all the time, you're not, like some of those CRM, like Jobber's not one those CRMs out there where you pay thousands and thousands of dollars a month for it. So I tell people all the time, this hits home with some people, but they don't, because it's like, if you don't have that 100,

Branden Sewell (17:38)
Yeah.

Yeah.

bright.

Curtis Boyd (18:01)
and 50 to $300 to invest to organize your business, then you're probably doing a poor job anyway. So it's like, if you're trying to build in a big establishment, like, built this from nothing. Like we had zero dollars of income coming in, you know? When we started this and the first thing I said is like CRM and everybody's, you know, some people are gonna be out, if it's listening, maybe like, well, I don't have that to invest.

Branden Sewell (18:09)
Yeah.

Curtis Boyd (18:25)
The thing is, you can always talk to Jobber and get three months free. If you're a first time user, they'll give you a couple free months. That gives you three months to organize your customers, go out there, do everything you need. And I'm guaranteeing, if you're providing an awesome service, you'll make 300 bucks or $180 or whatever it is in three months. And if you're not, there's something else that's a problem. It's probably your marketing or your drive or willingness of what you're doing. Because you got to find your love in what you do and then make that your job instead of just trying to change.

Branden Sewell (18:29)
Yeah.

Yeah

Yeah, for sure.

Yeah.

Curtis Boyd (18:55)
a dollar amount and stuff like that. you know, I get some of my buddies, like my buddy actually here in Ohio, has five, you know, head shop stores and you know, I tell them all day, we tell each other all the time, like you can either chase money or you can chase your passion. You can only get so far chasing money. You're get frustrated. But if you're chasing your passion, you're still gonna get frustrated, but it's like, you're happy to learn about it. You're happy and I feel like that about like...

Branden Sewell (19:09)
Mm

Curtis Boyd (19:18)
and

Branden Sewell (19:28)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Curtis Boyd (19:48)
experience as a whole. I think that anybody that's not tech savvy or feel they can't invest in it, like utilize their three month free service and just use it as much as you can. Cause I'll promise. I mean, I'm sure you know, Brandon, like they won't go back from it. makes life 10 times easier.

Branden Sewell (20:03)
Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's like once you once you do it you you realize you can't live without it, right and and I love the point that you made is you know the way that I looked at it when I first signed up for it because you know, obviously I had to overcome some of the same thoughts as like the cost and And all of that but I was like if we painted One I had to kind of break it down of like, okay. Well, what does that look like in my business? What would I have to sell to cover that or what would I?

Curtis Boyd (20:08)
Yeah, yeah, 100%.

Yeah.

Branden Sewell (20:33)
as the owner maybe have to go and do myself. That's like one bedroom. That's one door. That's a couple hours of work to cover the expense of that CRM. at the end of the day, let's say we add that expense to the business, it's like, well, if it came down to it and I could go find a room to paint to cover it. But it's never been that way. I've never been in a situation where it's like, I've got to find the money to cover this.

Curtis Boyd (20:36)
Yep. Yeah, literally. Yep.

Yep.

Yep.

Yeah, 100%.

Yeah.

Branden Sewell (21:03)
just it's actually since I've used jobber my business has grown right so

Curtis Boyd (21:08)
Yep, absolutely. 100%.

Branden Sewell (21:11)
And I mean, ultimately, the reality is, and I say this all the time, is it gives you your time back to focus on things that help your business make more money, right? If I'm not being bogged down with sending out emails, typing them up, and making a ton of phone calls, and having to write out handwritten estimates or type them up, all of those things add up time, right? And Jobber saves that time, so now you can get that

Curtis Boyd (21:21)
Yep.

Yup.

Branden Sewell (21:41)
time back reinvested in your business to grow so to do the things that you know like maybe like for me that's going to network meetings and meeting people building relationships and you know but whatever whatever that is for you know whoever is listening to this it's gonna give you that time and it's freedom like you talked to like early on in the show you talked about making time for your son well it's like

Curtis Boyd (21:44)
to grow your business.

Yep.

whoever it is. Yeah.

Yep.

Branden Sewell (22:09)
Well, Jobber also can give you that freedom to focus on things that matter most. And that's huge for me too. Like I've got two kids, I've got a son who's four. And so I was talking to this business guy a couple days ago and...

Curtis Boyd (22:14)
Absolutely, Yeah.

Yep.

Branden Sewell (22:26)
I can't remember the exact details, but I own a second company and we were talking about what we could do to grow that and scale it and all. And I just made the comment, the painting company is my number one source for income, pays my bills, takes care of my family. This other thing is if it takes off, great. If it doesn't, I'm not sweating it. And I said, you could hand me $50 ,000

Curtis Boyd (22:31)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

Branden Sewell (22:56)
today and it wouldn't be worth my time with my son right like I'm gonna take that three hours four hours in the evening with my son over any amount of money any day yeah and I say like if I if I have to grow the business at the expense of what's most important you know like my for me it's my faith my family and the things that like fill me up right so like yeah stay yeah

Curtis Boyd (23:00)
Yeah, 100%.

Yep. Any amount of money. Yep.

Yep. Yep, yep. Things that bring you that joy and that excitement, know? Things that bring you joy, excitement and keep you happy. You know, you don't want to fill yourself with the things that like work brings you excitement, but too much work kind of bogs you down, you know?

Branden Sewell (23:27)
Yeah.

Yeah, and I think

Curtis Boyd (23:34)
That's why I say that's when you're physically out there doing it all or physically out there running around and don't feel like you have that break or that time for yourself, your family, things like that. So people don't understand that self care is huge in growing a business. It's huge. You can't go...

Branden Sewell (23:39)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Curtis Boyd (23:51)
balls to walls all day long. You gotta give yourself that time and that split with your family, know, your kids, your girlfriend, your wife, your whoever is most important and things that bring you the most joy. have to make time for those things. Like that's prime, prime.

Branden Sewell (24:06)
Yeah, for sure. And I mean, I think it's like anything. If you, I've even heard people who are, you know, super devoted to a sport, right? If they do it, give me one second, my dog's barking. I'm gonna have to edit this out, but I need to go let him out really quick. Yeah, give me one second.

Curtis Boyd (24:10)
Yeah.

Okay, you're fine. Okay, you're good, you're good. Okay, sounds good.

Nice, nice, no use. didn't even hear him until you said something. I was like, I think I heard a dog, but I was issuing. That'd be so tunnel vision.

Branden Sewell (25:08)
Sorry about that. I don't know if you could hear them in the background, but

Yeah, yeah, she, yeah, she could, she's probably barking at like a lizard outside or something. It's just, but anyway, so let's jump back into this. So obviously like self -care, as you mentioned, is really important. And, you know, I think at the end of the day, I was talking about athletes, right? And,

Curtis Boyd (25:22)
Yeah.

Yes.

Branden Sewell (25:37)
I've heard, I grew up surfing, hence the surfboards in the back. And I remember one of these guys that I looked up to for a long time, he retired and, you know, he was in a...

Curtis Boyd (25:40)
Yeah. Yup, yup.

Branden Sewell (25:53)
post -retirement interview and they're asking him like, you know, how are you processing this? What do you think? Like, what are you gonna do now? And he's like, look, I've devoted, you know, the last like...

you know, 20, 30 years to this sport. I've done it. Like it's all I've done. And he's like, I'm honestly like, I'm tired of it. I'm exhausted from it. You know, cause when you do something, even something you love, if you're doing it from like a, an aspect of like now it's become a job, can rob the enjoyment from the thing that you were once passionate about. So, I mean, even with like, like I'm passionate about my business.

Curtis Boyd (26:21)
Yeah.

Yes.

Branden Sewell (26:38)
passionate about building things and building businesses, but at the end of the day, like it has to have some margin, right? It can't just be if you're working, you know, 12 -14 hour days on your business every, you know, seven days a week and sacrificing everything at the expense of that. Well, it's unhealthy and eventually you'll just burn out. So,

Curtis Boyd (26:47)
Yeah.

Yeah.

And then a lot of the times you look at that and then you calculate your time into it and then you gotta tell yourself, you look at your numbers, you're like, well, I just made $6 .45 this week. And you're like, that ain't gonna work. You know what I mean?

Branden Sewell (27:11)
Sure. Right, right.

Curtis Boyd (27:15)
At that point, tell people, like, that's the one thing that made me go from being an employee to business, and the one thing I have to learn really hard is you've got to get the most value out of your time as well. Because if not, you'll be chasing. You'll be chasing either dollars or whatever it is for your whole life, still even trying to live paycheck. Running a business is hard. I tell people all the time it's super hard, but so is being broke and not, you know what I mean? And all businesses don't succeed.

Branden Sewell (27:25)
Yeah.

Curtis Boyd (27:41)
but also like you gotta respect your actual life and what you're bringing to it and what you offer and use your skills to your advantage and know what people need, know, and it's just, you gotta come out there and have a good passion about it. But like you said, like you touched on earlier on the show is you can kill that by doing something you love way too much. like, it's like when you go through your 20s, you don't see that.

Branden Sewell (27:48)
Yeah.

Mm -hmm.

Curtis Boyd (28:06)
But then when you start, like when you get some people in their 20s, like a low, like you'll see that like 23, 24, 25. But then you'll usually get to your 30s, you're like, okay, I got a family now. Like, dang, I've been working this hard my whole, you know what I mean? And you start valuing your time a lot more. A lot more. So.

Branden Sewell (28:19)
Mm -hmm. Yeah, for sure. Yeah.

So let's kind of jump, I think this is a good segue into fitness. Like obviously, like I've seen your content on social media. Obviously you're a what is the word I'm looking for, supporter of like physical fitness and health. Yeah, so let's talk about that. Like what do you do to stay fit? How does that affect your performance?

Curtis Boyd (28:29)
Yeah.

Mm -hmm. Yep.

Yeah, yep, physical activity, yep.

Branden Sewell (28:53)
as a business owner? How does it help you to show up as a leader in your business and why is it important to you?

Curtis Boyd (28:59)
Okay.

I'd say, I mean the number one thing is routine.

A lot of the times you gotta sit and think to yourself, you gotta have, it's part of my routine. Like lot of people try to squeeze fitness in where they can here and there, but it's like, I feel like it works the best. like, I have clients that I trained, you can also have an online fitness business. But the clients that I train and work out with and things like that, it's like, don't overcomplicate it. Find that block of time in your day and do it during that time every day. Whatever works best for you, you gotta make time for it. And it helps me become like more

of a leader because when that routine I start at four in the morning every single day Monday through Sunday and I don't like I don't like to tell people to do that because like all people aren't met like people circadian rhythm isn't meant to get up at 4 a some people are meant to be working out at 11 p which is perfectly fine because that's your my thing is for him and the reason it helps me stay on point

Branden Sewell (29:41)
Come on.

Mm -hmm.

Mm -hmm.

Curtis Boyd (29:59)
My phone's not ringing at 4 a So between 4 and 7 a that's all me. That's all me. And so I got three hours to be clear -minded, to think about how to plan my day. You know, I wake up.

Branden Sewell (30:04)
Yeah.

Curtis Boyd (30:11)
Obviously brush my teeth, wash my face, get ready, go to the gym. Usually when I'm headed to the gym, I'll listen to a podcast or I'm listening to affirmations. I don't even play music up until I start actually working out. I listen to something, I learn something. So that way, after I'm done, for one, I'm relieved. And for two, I have all these ideas in my brain that I've calculated and taken notes from that I then go when I go to start work or a job's happening, I start applying those things to my business.

That's where I'm optimal at thinking between that 4 a to like noon is where like my brain functions the best. Like when it comes to innovation, know, speaking with people, things like that. After 12, I'm more so either I'm physically doing something or I'm running errands, dropping things off, doing things for the job, stuff like that. But that just physical fitness as a whole, like I've always told people even having a kid, people don't have the time for it, but.

Branden Sewell (30:48)
Mm

Curtis Boyd (31:09)
And everybody doesn't like to do it. And so what I tell some people is like, even if you get up in the morning before, say an hour before you have whatever you got or say two hours and go on like a 30 minute walk, you'll feel so much more better and so much more at ease. Cause some people can just wake up and it's like, I got to be here in an hour. You got to get dressed. You got to cook breakfast. You got, you know what I mean? You got your, whatever your morning routine is, you got to start doing like, it's always rushed. I don't like to feel rushed.

Branden Sewell (31:22)
Mm -hmm.

Yeah.

Curtis Boyd (31:38)
When you feel rushed, you don't perform well, think. So that's why I've always been into health and fitness. But over these last three years, I really started checking certain things in my blood level and just kind of investing in my body. Because I tell people all the time, would you put regular gas in a Porsche? No.

You know, you go out and buy a Porsche, you're not gonna put regular gas in it, because that's your investment, correct? So I tell people, don't do the same to your body, but at the same time, I'm not gonna also say that, you know, it's not okay to have a McDonald's cheeseburger. There's some people out there that'll say, don't have it, you're gonna get this or, you know, whatever. But I tell people all the time, food is food, but there's better food than others. But if you don't have any food, like one thing is okay, like, but don't make it a, you know, a repetitive thing like.

Branden Sewell (31:56)
Mm -hmm. Yeah.

Yeah.

Curtis Boyd (32:25)
We're all humans here, like don't over complicate your life, but switching up a couple ingredients and things you eat will make the world of a difference for you. Like I saw.

a girl yesterday here in Finley and she said she does makeup and this and that and she's trying to get more in the gym and her business. She's struggling at her business because she just feels rushed with everything and so I asked her I said what's your routine look like? She says well I come here when I feel like it and then usually I wake up and you know sometimes I'll go out with my friends and I was like well you don't have a routine you know if you're gonna try to run a successful business like it starts with taking care of yourself as a person and creating a routine for yourself like I'm not telling people

Branden Sewell (32:57)
Mm

Curtis Boyd (33:05)
people to go out and go out and get a six pack abs or like these, some of these, you know, Instagram girls, leg leggings and like, I'm not saying that, like overall just regular health, little things like little steps make a huge difference, you know? And so I told her, was like, create a routine for yourself, make it in the morning so that way you're not overthinking when you get to work. Cause when you know, you're in there doing hair, I feel like hairdressers, like outside of real estate agents, hairdressers,

Branden Sewell (33:09)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Curtis Boyd (33:35)
are a very big, a great marketing, like a great marketing group of people to have, because all they do is talk to, especially the home service, yeah, they talk to whoever, it'll be guys, girls, whoever, doing their hair for hours at a time and just talk about services. That's all they talk, they just talk the whole time. So everybody's always like, so where do you market? know, and like, tell people like.

Branden Sewell (33:42)
Yeah. Talk to people.

Yeah.

Curtis Boyd (33:59)
hairdressers, stuff like that, know, like hairdressers, real estate agents. And so like I meet these people at the gym and I'm always talking to them and they're like, you know, I see you in here every day at 5 15. And I'm like, yeah, this is my routine. This is my day doesn't happen without this, you know, and

Branden Sewell (34:14)
Yeah, yeah, that's good.

Curtis Boyd (34:15)
And once I realized and I made that, thing, like, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I never go to the gym in the afternoon. But like, if something happens in the morning or we're traveling and I don't get there or the hotel that I go to that we get when we're traveling over the road or where we stay don't have a gym, which drives me insane because they'll say it online. They do. And then when I get there, they'll say they do. And then when I go, there's none. It's weird. But like, that's just a part of my day. Like, you just got to figure out where it fits and it's not going to fit.

Branden Sewell (34:38)
Thank you.

Curtis Boyd (34:45)
every day, that's why you do everything kind of like in time blocks for yourself. But it just makes a major role, gives you confidence in yourself, know, it makes you feel good, you're releasing dopamine, endorphins and good stuff that your body should release to let you know like, okay, you know, I can do this. And it gives you a little sense of motivation and a little bit of a push. And that's where, that's what really like drives me to go and on top of just like being physically comfortable. I don't want to have to be breathing heavy chasing my son around the backyard like.

Branden Sewell (35:03)
Yeah.

Right.

Curtis Boyd (35:13)
I see some of these videos sometimes of people and I never knock anybody but I look in and I'm just like, you know, man, what if something happens where you've got to like be active for your kid or something of that sort or your family and it's got to happen and you just can't like that, like that scares me, you know?

Branden Sewell (35:30)
Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Curtis Boyd (35:31)
and it terrifies me like or for like your animals or whatever like I just want to be able to be there and it's not going to be like that for the rest of my life but for as long as I'm in control of it and have that capability I'm going to make sure you know because there's never been a client that I've ever had on the training part of it or just the health part of you know my business or my life that's ever said it hasn't helped them.

Branden Sewell (35:44)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Curtis Boyd (35:56)
But then you'll talk to people, which I never knock, people smoking vapes and stuff like that. They always say, don't do it. no, it's terrible. Or people that smoke cigarettes, no, it's terrible, don't do it. But with fitness, it's like, yo, do it. You may not like some of the things you do, because you're sore, you hurt, it's awful. It's awful. But it's like, once you start, you got to get through those phases. It's just like in your business, you got to get through those little steps that's hard.

Branden Sewell (36:14)
Yeah.

Curtis Boyd (36:23)
to be able to create a comfortability and a light for it. I'm the huge person of always putting myself in uncomfortable positions. If I'm at the gym and I'm sitting there and I'm like, all right.

I'm lifting and my arms get tired. Most people at rack and I'm like, okay, now I got 10 more, you know, and it's just that push. Cause it like, I feel like it trains your brain also to push through what your mind's telling you, you know, cause your body's going to instantly always tell you to step back when it's in a place of uncomfortableness, you know? So like that's when I know like, okay, you got to push a little bit harder, you know, cause you got, cause when you're going up the hill, you got to get over the wall, you know? And so I feel like the gym does that for me to be able to utilize that into my

Branden Sewell (36:52)
Mm -hmm.

Yeah.

Curtis Boyd (37:04)
business so then like when things get hard

The first thing I find the way to do is like, what's the positive outcome of this? If I feel like there's not a positive outcome out of it, it's a lesson, you know? So everything in your business that's even a struggle is a lesson, or you can, you know, overcome it by doing better and learning from it, you know? And I feel like that's what the gym does for me. gives me that push and that mindset to know that when things get hard, you gotta push a little bit further to get the results that you want. Cause most 98 % of people are gonna stop

Branden Sewell (37:16)
Yeah.

Curtis Boyd (37:37)
right there at that wall when it gets hard. And that's why so many businesses fail, so many businesses struggle, you know, and that's where fitness just like, makes a complete world of difference for me and a lot of people that I've met, you know, that owns businesses, like they're physically fit at some point in time, like you don't necessarily have to go, if you do at home workouts, that's fine too. Whatever gets your body moving and gets you sweating just a little bit, get your heart rate up, it works, you know, don't overcomplicate it, you know.

Branden Sewell (37:39)
Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, it's a lot of good, good advice that you gave in that. like, I just want to unpack a couple things on myself is, you know, you talked about seasons of, is the way that I hear it. you know, like for myself, you know, I, I

started going to the gym years ago and after not going for a long time. I was super fit when I was younger, didn't go because of a job I had and then got back into the gym. And then I'm a 4 a type guy too. I wake up every day at four. It's just I prefer to get my day started that way. My kids aren't up yet, my wife's not up yet, no distractions, phone's not ringing, all those things you mentioned. But then I went through a season where

Curtis Boyd (38:30)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Yep.

Yep.

Yep.

Branden Sewell (38:55)
So I have a four year old and we actually have a five month old and so like when my five month old I'm there I'm all about family and like being there for my family and so there was a season where like I sacrifice going

Curtis Boyd (39:02)
Yeah.

Branden Sewell (39:08)
to the gym at 4 a because I wake up at 4, I go at 5, but because I wanted to be there for my wife, like when she was getting really close to having our daughter, I was like, I don't want to be at the gym if my wife goes into labor, right? So I was like, okay, I'm not going to go to the gym for a little while. My wife's getting really close here and I want to be there for my wife. And then my daughter,

Curtis Boyd (39:09)
Yep.

Yep.

Branden Sewell (39:36)
you know, obviously when you have a newborn, that's a like a challenging season. So I was like, I've got to be there for my wife in this season. It's a sacrifice. I was like, but you know, she's going to be, you know, these sleepless nights where she's waking up to feed the baby. And I was like, I just, you know, I felt like that was my priority, but now I'm back into my routine. You know, now my daughter sleeps, she sleeps through the night. My wife can get her rest and you know, I can wake up at four, everybody's still asleep.

Curtis Boyd (39:58)
Yeah.

Absolutely.

Branden Sewell (40:06)
You know, so I feel better about that. But all that to say is like The important thing is consistency right getting started and then staying consistent Whatever that looks like for you have that routine stay consistent, but also understand that there are seasons, right? So you might have a season like that where you've got a new kid and you got to adjust a little bit

Curtis Boyd (40:14)
Yep. Yep. Yep.

And like when we had Kobe, it was the same way for me with Kobe and like when I was like, all right, so.

I didn't like to get up at four. I got up at four still, but it was more so like, okay, to make sure Amanda's okay, make sure the girlfriend's okay, she's good, she's well rested, you know, because I'm like, you can't take care of baby if you're not taking care of yourself. So it's like, would change either the time I went to the gym or I went through a phase where, like this is what I tell a lot of people, I went through a phase where for three weeks after we got home from the hospital, I would just stay home and just do body weight stuff at my same time in the morning while being there taking care of the baby, bring him out in living room with me, turn on whatever's on TV's right there.

make sure he's fed, you know, whatever like that and let her sleep and just stretch, do yoga. There's so much more to like health and fitness than physically going to the gym. And that's the one thing I preach like with having a kid, it's completely different having multiple kids, which I tell people all the time, you're a rock star, cause it's completely different than just even having one. You know, it plays a huge role on people's lives and you know, you're no longer on your time when you have a kid. Now you're on, you know, your wife's time and

Branden Sewell (41:05)
Mm

Mm

Yeah.

Curtis Boyd (41:33)
your baby's time and things like that you know so you know the seasons is definitely a thing like I feel like everybody goes through their season but I tell people whatever works for you that's what works if it's taking care of that baby and keeping you whatever keeps the mind sane

Branden Sewell (41:34)
Mm

Curtis Boyd (41:51)
I tell people that overall is health and wellness. Your mind is a huge aspect in it, rather. You don't have to physically be in a gym lifting weights and stuff like that. You have to care for your loved ones and be there and support them 100%.

Branden Sewell (41:54)
Yeah.

Yeah, so for us, what that looked like was family walks in the evening.

Curtis Boyd (42:09)
Yep, absolutely.

Branden Sewell (42:11)
Like for me as a business owner for my schedule and picking up kids and stuff like that It's either I have to like the morning is really the only time that I can do like this stuff by myself, right? During the day I've got work and then I pick up the kids and then you know My wife gets home late and then it's like dinner rush, you know getting kids baths getting you know kids to bed all that stuff Right, right it's exactly

Curtis Boyd (42:23)
Yeah.

Yep.

Yep. Cleaning up the house, picking up toys for the seventh time today.

Branden Sewell (42:41)
Yeah, so what we would do and we even still do this now is after dinner, we'll go for like a family walk, you know, so like we would drive before we moved recently, we would drive down to this big bridge and we would walk over the bridge together and walk back or, you know, whatever. But that was like our way to like keep moving and stay active. And then, you know, obviously the door opened up where like, okay, now I can get back to the gym. But,

Curtis Boyd (43:06)
Yeah.

Branden Sewell (43:07)
But anyway, like that you can always create an excuse of why you can't move or why you can't do certain things. And I like that you make the point that it's like, okay, well maybe there might be a season where you can't go to the gym, but can you do bodyweight squats with your baby in the living room, 100 %?

Curtis Boyd (43:14)
Yep, 100%.

Yep.

Yep.

I do it all the time, all the time. Dude, body weight squats with the baby, lunges with the baby while you're holding them, you know, yo. And I tell people, this is like a lot of times when you run out of time, like, or go through a season of that lifting part, focus on your mobility. Because, you know, as we get older, you know, our tendons, our joints, they just get tighter, you know? So work on that time to become more mobile, like flexible things of that sort. Practice some yoga at home. Like that's super easy. And then it's like, too, I think like it's a taught behavior.

like your household with your family as a whole, know, taking care of your body. Cause you know, as, you know, as a person, as, as a father, you know, as a boyfriend going to possibly be a husband, you know, it's more so like you got to be there for your family. And if they see you taking care of yourself, you know, that's huge for them. Cause I do it, I, you do it for yourself, but you also do it for them, you know, like, cause you want to create that behavior.

Branden Sewell (44:21)
Yeah.

Curtis Boyd (44:21)
You gotta keep, create that behavior in your household. Like, okay, like everything don't have to be perfect, but like take care of yourself to a certain extent to that way you're okay. You feel good about yourself, you know, and things like that. So that's, that's huge in family. Like just like creating like the activity of your kids, keeping them moving. And like Kobe, like my son, he gets screen time and stuff like that. And we don't really limit it at all. Like I know everybody's got different opinions on it, but it's like.

Branden Sewell (44:34)
Yeah.

Mm -hmm.

Curtis Boyd (44:48)
If he is watching something, it's like something informational, something where he can learn. And then if it's either something like he likes to watch fitness or like sports stuff. So, you know, it's something that keeps his mind going, keeps him active. And then I like, we put it down for a while and we, know, hey, Kobe, stretch for a little bit or tell him, hey, Kobe, show him your squat. And he'll just start squatting with the tablet.

Branden Sewell (45:08)
Mm -hmm.

Curtis Boyd (45:08)
That's what he like, you know, and it's just the taught behavior. He sees dad doing, he sees mom doing it. We make it fun, you know? So it don't feel like, like you said, it don't feel like work. It doesn't feel like, hey, I told my girlfriend I need you to do 50 air squats right now. She's like, no, absolutely not. You know I mean? It's more so like, all right, Kobe, do some squats and then he'll do them, then I'll do them. And the next thing know, mom's doing them. It's just like a learned behavior. It's just part of our, part of your family lifestyle. And I tell people, don't feel.

Branden Sewell (45:13)
Mm

Okay.

Mm

Curtis Boyd (45:35)
Like get down on yourself because you're not making the like the physical gym. Like, you know, that there's so much more to health and wellness as a whole than just the gym. The gym is only like two percent. You know, the rest is like nutrition, mobility, you know, things like that. Your mental space, you know, your business, your financials, like financial plays a huge role on your mental aspect, too. But, you know, keeping active and keeping a clear mind helps you be able to excel at a lot of those things. Yeah.

Branden Sewell (45:41)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You know, you know, one of the things that I make a point to other people all the time is like how important it is. You know, you mentioned this is like, don't just do it for yourself. You do it for your family. And I'm a big, you know, supporter of that. Like I, I go to the gym because I want to be a good example to my son, right? Of what it looks like to be like a healthy individual, take care of my body. And then also I want to be able to like,

Curtis Boyd (46:29)
Yeah.

Branden Sewell (46:34)
enjoy being my son's dad as long as I can, right? so it's about like longevity, longevity and and being being able to function as long as possible at like as healthy as possible. And I'm actually reading a book right now. It's actually called I think it's called longevity. Let me give you the you might actually enjoy it. Since you Yeah, let me look up the title of it.

Curtis Boyd (46:37)
Yeah, 100%.

Yep.

Yep.

Yeah, I to check it out. Send me the link. love me a nice little read. That's OK. I'm a three page per night guy because my attention span's super short. But I tell people baby steps are better than no steps, you know? So three to five pages is my night thing, you know?

Branden Sewell (47:04)
It's actually a really long book.

Right.

Yeah. So it's called Outlive and the Science and Art of Longevity by Dr. Peter Attia. I think that's how you say his last name. But really what it's all about is like it talks about how there's like there's there's four main areas that

Curtis Boyd (47:20)
Outlook.

Okay.

Branden Sewell (47:39)
people die from and I know that sounds kind of morbid but he's like it's either heart disease or you're gonna have mental what what is it I can't think of the the word but

Curtis Boyd (47:41)
Yeah.

like mental illness or...

Branden Sewell (47:56)
not mental illness, it's like, you know, like Alzheimer's, you know, those, I forget. Yeah, yeah. But then there's like diabetes and then the fourth one, I can't remember what it is. But anyway, there's like four and he calls them like the four horsemen. He's like, everybody is going to at some point probably be affected by one of those four things, right? And the, says like, basically the goal

Curtis Boyd (47:59)
Yeah, yeah, Something that affects your brain. Yeah, yeah.

or

Yeah.

Branden Sewell (48:25)
to pinpoint which battle you're going to have and that could be because of like family medical history like do you have a history of heart disease do you have a history of diabetes do you have a history of you know it's gonna yeah yeah that I can't think of the word I'm like what is it

Curtis Boyd (48:33)
huh.

Alzheimer's or something like, it's gonna drive you crazy that you can't think of life. Yeah, yep.

Branden Sewell (48:48)
Yeah, like mental decline, guess, you know, you're anyway. And so he's like, you know, the the what you want to try to do is identify which one is your battle, and then start doing the things that you can now to create like to offset whatever that thing is that's trying to come after you. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Curtis Boyd (48:50)
Yep.

Yep.

huh.

It's like preventative maintenance is what I tell people, out of your cars, you just order some new tires. It's preventative maintenance. Keep it right.

Branden Sewell (49:17)
Right. And I mean, and I mean, at the end of the day, like, if you have young kids, like, I feel like one of the greatest ways that you can say I love you to your kids is taking care of yourself. Right. It's like, Hey,

Curtis Boyd (49:29)
Yeah, 100%.

Branden Sewell (49:32)
you know, I realize how important I am to you. And because I'm important to you, I'm going to take care of myself so that I can be around as long as possible and be as healthy as possible to enjoy our time and everything together. And so like, when I'm working out, like my why and what I'm thinking of is like, man, I love my son and my daughter so much that I've got to do this not just for me, but I've got to do it for them. You know, and then it even goes to like,

Curtis Boyd (49:36)
Mm

Yep.

Yep.

Yep, 100%.

Branden Sewell (50:02)
I think a big part of being successful in business and life is having a healthy marriage or relationships. like, so for me, it's like, think of my wife, I'm like, man, like every, I'm like, man, how can I be the best physical specimen as possible for my wife? know, like, got to keep that flame alive, like keep that attraction, you know, that

Curtis Boyd (50:17)
Yeah, I didn't press that. Yep. Yeah. Yep.

Branden Sewell (50:23)
And like, I feel like one of the best ways that I can say I love you to my wife is to take care of myself, right? If I just let myself waste away, like I don't feel like that's communicating, hey, I love you to my wife. I want when I go out with my wife or when I'm seen with my wife or my wife to be like, yeah, that's my husband. Like, you know, he takes care of himself. so, you know, I think that taking care of yourself, your physical fitness, your mental health, all those things,

Curtis Boyd (50:28)
Yup, yup.

Yeah. Yep.

Branden Sewell (50:53)
play such a huge role into your success as a business owner so You know if you're listening to this and and that's a challenge for you like I think we all find ourselves at that point at some place but It's definitely important. It's something that you know You have to get started with my question that I'd like you to like maybe go over really quick as we bring this to a close if Somebody's listening to this and they find it to be a challenge to like even get started. Let's say

Curtis Boyd (50:57)
Absolutely.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Branden Sewell (51:21)
someone's listening to this and they're like, man, I'm like, I haven't been to the gym in five years. I'm a hundred pounds overweight. You know, I eat McDonald's every day for lunch in my truck. What advice, what are some small steps and just encouragement that you would give to somebody who's like just getting started?

Curtis Boyd (51:29)
Yeah.

somebody who's just getting started, I would simply say this, this is what I do for any person I ever work with that's struggling with, you know, those same things. It's more so, they're more so embarrassed with themselves is what I'll say, which I completely understand because I've been there. Just start in your local neighborhood. You know, it doesn't take anything for you to walk down your stairs or out your house and walk around the block.

You know, for 30 minutes, just don't, like the thing I tell people, do not overcomplicate it. That's the best advice I can get. 30 minutes is better than nothing at all. You know, as long as you're moving for it, it's moving forward towards your goal. And then eventually I'm, I promise you'll create a habit that'll then lead you to want to do more. Cause us as creatures, when we create some traction, it's like a snowball effect. You want to do more and then you want to do more. And then the snowball gets bigger. Then it gets big. Then eventually you're going to get that confidence to go to the gym. Cause you're going to realize that just from walking for the last year, 30 minutes every single morning.

You know and kind of changing up your diet a little bit or drinking more water like find substitutes like so if you it's because you're too busy Then try to meal prep a little bit like I tell people all the time a turkey sandwich will go a long way You can you can get awesome awesome results from just eating turkey sandwich So if you feel like you're too busy Just pack like three turkey sandwiches and that'll keep you from grabbing that McDonald's or whatever in the morning or like a really easy one is just eggs and toast if you like eggs everybody's Nutrition preferences are different. but

Like I say, just start in your local neighborhood and just walk. You know, just find your peace and your happiness. Any type of movement is better than no movement. So like that's what I like. Like so many people like struggle with that. And I'm like, look, dude, it's, you know, a dude, lady, whoever, you know, it's so much easier than you're making it. The real the real struggle is you fighting with yourself every morning to make it, you know, make it make it. If that's what you really want to do, then just get up and do it. Wake up two hours early and go for 30 minutes. And I promise when you get home, you're going to be like,

Branden Sewell (53:12)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Curtis Boyd (53:35)
Holy moly, this is awesome. You know what I mean? You're gonna feel good, you're gonna feel accomplished, and then now you start your day and it's gonna make things 10 times better. It's gonna create that snowball effect for you.

Branden Sewell (53:36)
Yeah.

Yeah, I would also say this like, so as I mentioned before, didn't go to when I was younger, I grew up surfing, I was an ocean lifeguard, I was really fit, like ripped. And then I sat behind a desk for like six years. And so I put on a lot of weight, I went from like 4 .8 % body fat 132 pounds to like putting on a ton of weight. And I don't even know what my body fat percentage is now but

Curtis Boyd (53:58)
yeah, yeah yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Branden Sewell (54:15)
so when I started my fitness journey again, one of the things that I wrestled with it is, as I was like, felt defeated because I was like, it's going to be so hard to get back to who I was. Right. So I was constantly comparing myself to like, this is who I am now. That's who I was. I'm never going to be, you know, 4 .8 % body fat again. I'm never going to be shredded. So I, and so it was like, I was letting the.

Curtis Boyd (54:19)
huh.

Yeah.

You're passed. Yep.

Yep.

Yep. Yep.

Branden Sewell (54:45)
results determine whether I was going to get started. And then I had to come to this place where I said, it's not about the results. It's about the discipline, the consistency, and the results will come. But if I don't get started, then there's no chance. You know, there's no chance.

Curtis Boyd (54:48)
Yeah.

Nope. Yep. Yep. Yep.

You're not gonna get anything. There's no chance at all. got a zero. Hey, get a zero. I tell you, you miss 100 % of shots you don't take.

Branden Sewell (55:09)
Exactly, yeah, so...

Curtis Boyd (55:10)
Every time. you got to sit down and like, like you said, you got to sit down, lock in and stop comparing yourself to your old self or stop trying to fit in your old jeans, you know, stop trying to fit in your old shirts. You're a completely new person. You're more mature. You're more developed. Like focus on your journey now. You know, that was a chat. Like think about it like a book. That was your beginning chapter. That chapter don't come back when you're moving forward. It only comes back if you go backwards. You're never going to be able to go backwards like that, you know. So just keep moving forward and build a better chapter, you know.

Branden Sewell (55:40)
Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, it's not saying that, you know, I, because now what I realize is getting back to that is easier than I thought it was before I got started. Right. So, but you don't realize that until you get started. Right. And you start putting the work in. like, you know, now I go to the, so like my routine is I wake up at four every day and

Curtis Boyd (55:41)
It's all part of the journey.

Yeah.

Yep. Yeah.

Branden Sewell (56:08)
on Monday, Tuesday and Thursday, I go to the gym. And on Wednesdays and Fridays, I run with one of my buddies and we do like three or four miles and like I'll run to, I'll leave my house at five. Like we did it this morning. So it's funny cause like I'll be running and he shows up at like different parts of the run every day. like, like sometimes I'm like, like,

Curtis Boyd (56:13)
Yep.

Nice, that's awesome. Nice.

Yep.

Yeah, yeah,

Branden Sewell (56:35)
at his house and he's walking out the door other times or like at some other random part on the way to his house. But I run to his house and then we run around his neighborhood and then we run back to my house and then he runs home. But but all that to say is yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but it's good. And you know, so, but as I've put the time in, I realized like it might, it might take time to get to where I want to be.

Curtis Boyd (56:37)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah. Nice. That's awesome. It's like your own little personal, personal little run club, man. That's awesome. Yeah.

Yeah.

Branden Sewell (57:06)
But it's like you realize, okay, it's possible. And then for me, the big thing that I'm working on is trying to like get better with my nutrition because I'm not terrible. don't like, I don't eat like crazy, but I know I need more protein in my diet. I know there's some things that I could take out and need to drink more water, but anyway, it's just, man, if you're listening to this, I would just say like, you gotta get started somewhere.

Curtis Boyd (57:09)
Yeah.

Yep. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah.

And I, yeah. Yeah, and then anytime anybody's got questions, man, they can always get ahold of you on Instagram or wherever. Like just ask. I tell people all the time, don't be afraid to ask questions. if anybody ever needs any nutrition tips, it's soup. It's a lot simpler than people think. It's just, you gotta switch up the ingredients a little bit. But you can like, for instance, the other day, prime example, most people were like.

well, I just love burgers. That's fine. Get 96 for beef because for every four ounces that you eat, which is, you know, 112 grams, which is a regular burger patty, there's 23 grams of protein and only four grams of fat versus if you go get that double cheeseburger from McDonald's, you're to be looking at like 68 grams of fat and just that burger. You can make them at home. You know, it's it's completely fine and it's cheaper than what you would pay. Like everybody's in this phase right now. Groceries are expensive. You know, I saw this actually traveling over the road. This is another

Branden Sewell (58:13)
Mm

Curtis Boyd (58:25)
groceries are expensive, you know, I can't buy, they've got six dollar hot dogs these days and I'm telling them, I'm like, yeah, I was like, you know, dude, was like, give me a call, you know, I shared my Instagram with them, I said, give me a call or a text or whatever, you know, my phone number and he was, I was like, you can eat, I said, you're buying two for five hot dogs, but you're saying groceries are expensive. So I bring inside, I said, I got a pack of these smoked turkey ballpark hot dogs, have zero gram of fat, six grams of protein, I pay six dollars, he's like, yeah, but six dollars for hot dogs? I said, I get eight, you're buying two for five.

You know, you know what I mean? So like in sense, it's like it's tough.

Branden Sewell (58:56)
Mm -hmm, yeah.

Curtis Boyd (59:01)
until you start asking questions and educate yourself. It's just like anything else. Start educating yourself a little bit on it and just asking questions. There's so much information out there on social media these days that it confuses a lot of people and that's why I feel like we go through, like health and wellness has become such a big thing and a big part of people explaining how they run their lives to run their businesses and things like that because...

you know, people got comfortable, you know, and then at the end of the day, it's okay to get comfortable, but it just, it's so much information out there that you don't know whose information to take. Cause you take somebody's information to say, somebody can come on here and say, ballpark hot dogs. You know what they're made of. You know what's in them. Did you ever look at the ingredients? And it's like, you know, and I get there's, have a friend like that, you know, she's always telling me like, Curtis, you shouldn't eat that. And I'm like, well, you know, I mean, at the end of the day, I don't, the only thing I feel like is healthy is just water.

Branden Sewell (59:54)
He is so...

Curtis Boyd (59:55)
In all honesty, because like now I go to the store and people are telling me not to buy organic and they're like, because organics not really organic. And I'm like, well, at this point, so like people like that are listening out here, just find what you want for yourself and focus on that and educate yourself on the things that you like. Because if you try to sit there and take in everybody's information of how to run your personal life.

you're going to be lost. And that's where a lot of people have become lost because it's like then they hop online and they'll see, you know, Instagram. And I'm a realist. Like I tell people straight up, like where I stand and it's like, I've got some vegan clients. I've got some clients that won't eat fish. And then I've got clients that'll eat everything. And it's like, they're like, how do you manage all those different people without having a specific niche? I was like, cause the number one thing in common with everybody that I work with is basically you can do whatever is within your means as long

Branden Sewell (1:00:19)
Yeah.

Curtis Boyd (1:00:48)
it makes sense. You know what I mean? So don't sit there and overcomplicate it. Don't try to find what, you know, a bunch of, you know, try to look at things and it gives me anxiety when I see people in there reading all the every single little ingredient. Listen, I'm like, that's too much work, you know, but that's what they like. So I don't knock it, you know, and that if you educate yourself on that, you know, that part of your nutrition where it's that deep, where you're more holistic approach.

Branden Sewell (1:00:50)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Curtis Boyd (1:01:16)
Go for it. I learn from my holistic friends all the time. And we always butt heads every single time. But I still train them, you know, they still train with me. I still get my food recommendations to them. They just tell me certain things that they don't want to eat. And I'm like, that's perfectly fine. I got a client that lost 60 pounds and they ate that. Well, I bet they had bad gut health. No, they actually went to the doctor and they're the healthiest they've ever been. You know, so it's like there's a way, don't, you know, don't get too caught up with trying to get too much information. And that's all I can tell people.

Branden Sewell (1:01:22)
Mm

Yeah,

Yeah.

Yeah, no, that's good. The book that I'm reading right now about longevity, it talks about that. It says it's not so much about exactly what you're eating. He's like, there's two things that you can do.

Curtis Boyd (1:01:45)
You tricked me.

Branden Sewell (1:01:58)
that make a huge impact on your overall health. he's like, increase protein and water. And he's like, so like, don't eat, he basically says like, it's not so much of a, a matter of like, did you eat that like, burger with bread instead of lettuce? It's like, well, did you get a good amount of protein in your diet? Is it so important, you know, that you had a snack with your son? But you know, did you, did

Curtis Boyd (1:02:04)
Yep. Yep.

Yeah. Yup. Yup.

Yeah.

Branden Sewell (1:02:27)
you drink a lot of water today, you know? So he mentions that and then like another thing and I don't know what your opinion is on this but I know that it's something that I've been trying to do is like little changes in my choices like for example

portion sizes. So like, you know, we went to Chick -fil -A the other day. We've gone a couple times the past couple weeks and it's like my normal order might be like in all like transparency. It's one of two things. It's either the chicken stripped with a large fry and a large water and half water, half lemonade, or my normal order would be the chicken deluxe grilled

Curtis Boyd (1:02:51)
Huh? Yeah.

Yep. yeah.

Branden Sewell (1:03:11)
With a large fry and a large half water half lemonade. Well, I was like, you know what like do I really need a large fry and do I really have to have the You know fried or crispy chicken tenders No, and do I feel over full after eating it? Yes, and it's so what I've been doing is like well, what's one healthier choice I can make with this. I'm just gonna get the grilled nuggets. So like I'm getting the protein there. I'm gonna

Curtis Boyd (1:03:26)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah. No grilled nuggets are so good. They're so good. Yep.

Branden Sewell (1:03:41)
skip skip the fries and get my large water and half water half lemonade and that so now that's like my go -to Chick -fil -a order is like the grilled nuggets and that drink and then like that translates like you know at home you know I try to like instead of you know like I'll eat my decently portioned meal right but I'm not get I'm not like it's like okay I don't have to get a second serving

Curtis Boyd (1:03:47)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

Branden Sewell (1:04:11)
So like cutting down on portion sizes too is, and I'm like, well that, you know.

Curtis Boyd (1:04:14)
Yeah.

If it feels good for you and it works for you, tell people.

work with that. You know, like me, when I, if I go to Chick -fil -A or like in your case, when you go there, you can still get the large fry. I tell people, but the one thing I always tell people is find out what your TDE is, which is your totally total daily expenditure. How many calories you're burning by doing nothing, you know, like once you figure out what that is, and then you know how many active calories you burn, that'll tell you how many calories you can eat. And it depends if you're trying to grow, you're going to want to eat in a surplus. So you're going to be above that number, which in simpler terms is obviously

you can eat more than the amount of calories you burn in a day. If you want to start losing weight, you know, it doesn't matter. I tell people I've went through this phase where I've tested all these things. It does matter what you eat, but it doesn't as long as you're in a deficit of the amount of calories you burn. So like I know if I go to Chick -fil -A, like my order is pretty similar to yours. I'll get the, you know, the chicken deluxe grilled chicken, but I'll add the bacon and I'll add the cheese. And I might even upgrade to a large fry depending on how many, like I count my calories to a certain extent, but I've gotten to the point.

Branden Sewell (1:04:53)
Mm -hmm.

Curtis Boyd (1:05:20)
after like when I started like three months of keeping track of it. Now when I eat stuff in my belly, I can feel like, okay, I'm over my fat content for the day or I'm over how many people are afraid of carbs. And I'm like, dude, carbs is what gives you the function to move proteins, what's going to give you your muscle building and your fat burning, you know, and then fats is just going to help with your overall brain capacity, stuff like that, your skin, all that, like especially healthy fats. But

Branden Sewell (1:05:33)
Mm

Mm -hmm.

Curtis Boyd (1:05:49)
it's okay to get that fry as long as it fits within your means of what, you know what I mean, of what your actual goal is. And so that's why I tell people it's nice that you do that and separate that portions, because that works for you. And I tell them that's a lot of my clients. Like you could tell me this on a Zoom call and I'd be like, dude, that's awesome. And I look at your chart and this, when you pull up your chart, track your weight. And if it's going down steadily and you've had Chick -fil and you're like, dude, I had a fry.

Branden Sewell (1:05:56)
Yeah.

Curtis Boyd (1:06:14)
I look at him like, but she still lost 0 .2 pounds. So, you know, who cares? You know, at the end of the day, and there's going to be some people to get on there, blow out all that grease. And it's like, he still lost 0 .2 pounds at the end of the day. And as doctor says, as long as your doctor is saying you're healthy and you're looking great and you're feeling good, and that's what you choose to do. And you want to portion it and not get the fries this time, because it makes you feel better. Do it, you know? But if you do want those fries and you know you can afford to have them, have them. You know, like I.

Branden Sewell (1:06:18)
Right.

Mm

Yeah.

Curtis Boyd (1:06:40)
That's like my biggest thing. We travel in a row, we pack, and there's times when we stop and I'm looking at my girlfriend, I'm looking at her, she's looking at me, and I'm like, I want a Hardee's. And she's like, Hardee's? Out of all places, Hardee's? I'm like, yeah, just, I don't know why I want, and I get it. And people are like, you can't be, you know, a leader and talking about all this stuff when you come to work about health and fitness and running all these jobs and coming in a cutoff. If you're going to have Hardee's, I'm like, yes, I can, because I put in the work to,

Branden Sewell (1:06:51)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Curtis Boyd (1:07:10)
to have it, you know? And I know what my numbers are. And as long as you know what your numbers are, you can have whatever, you know, for the most part, whatever you want. You can have your Chick -fil -A with your family. You know, don't pull up to... I can always tell when certain people, like if I'm in a restaurant, which I'm usually not paying attention to other tables, but you can always see who's that person that's trying to eat cleaner, which is fine, which is perfect, but they're stressing because they're like, dang, this chicken's got...

Branden Sewell (1:07:11)
Yeah, yeah.

Curtis Boyd (1:07:36)
you know, cheese on it, or it's got cheese and shrimp, and it's like, but it's all the grease, and it's like, can you do, and it's like, just get the chicken with the cheese on it. Just prepare for it, just like everything else. If you know you're going out to dinner on a Friday night with the family, you know you're probably gonna intake 2 ,000 calories. That means eat, eat, eat.

Branden Sewell (1:07:46)
Yeah.

Curtis Boyd (1:07:54)
accordingly throughout the day so that way you can have that large meal at night and not have to think twice about it. Like when I get back home from Michigan, I'm going to document all this. I think it'd be really cool if I'm going to share it on the internet. Me and a buddy of mine, Donnie, who's also another online fitness trainer, we do a lot of the handyman work. He's more the commercial contractor guy. We're going to run 5 .1 miles and then go do a 28 inch pizza challenge and eat a 21 inch pizza. But it's not together. We're all going to have our separate one. It's going to be three of us.

Branden Sewell (1:08:00)
Yeah.

Yeah

Yeah.

Curtis Boyd (1:08:24)
We're trying to get a couple more guys to do it, but people are always gonna be like, why did you go do all that work to eat that pizza? Because I'm gonna take a picture, what I looked like before, we're gonna run the miles, I'm gonna eat the whole pizza and then take a picture of what I looked like in the morning and show people that you can eat what you want if you put in the work and burn the correct amount of calories of the amount of calories you're bringing in for your body. And I think that's huge for where we're at as, I wanna say, not wanna say country, but as a world right now with.

Branden Sewell (1:08:42)
Mm

Curtis Boyd (1:08:53)
health and fitness, like there's a lot of people super nutrition -y and like, don't have these type of things. And there's a lot of people that's like, just have this. But there's like nobody in the middle that's really kind of telling people like, yo, you get McDonald's, who cares? It is what it is. Did you burn the amount of calories to have it? Now, where I have my problem with most people is it's like, if you're overabundance eating over and over over again, and I see your numbers going up on the chart, and then I say, hey, Bill,

Branden Sewell (1:09:10)
Right.

Curtis Boyd (1:09:20)
you've gained 17 pounds, you know, and he's like, well, I ate clean and I'm like, no, you didn't because you didn't track it. And I can tell based off your photos, you know, like I have everybody take photos because it's like, I can't help people.

Branden Sewell (1:09:24)
Yeah.

Curtis Boyd (1:09:35)
if they don't show me what they look like. And then it's like, so like I tell some of my guys that are contractors that I train and I'm like, you guys like I'll train usually my contractors that work with us, I'll train them for free just because they're already working for us. It's just, you know, I just want them to be healthy. And it's like, like, I didn't, I didn't have this. Like you brought us pizza last week. And I'm like, yeah, but you know how many calories you burnt carrying, you know, 27 boxes of wood flooring up to the third floor.

Branden Sewell (1:09:37)
Mm

Yeah.

Curtis Boyd (1:10:02)
between two of you guys, like you burnt those calories off for me to bring you pizza. You're perfectly fine. You know? And so like I tell people all the time, like the food part of it is I like that people are being conservative about it and smarter about the choices. Because like we do get like when you go to those restaurants, they give you a lot of servings and it's a lot of calories for something that will make you full temporarily. But in two, three hours, you're going to be just as hungry again. You know, so, you know, I tell people, be mindful of what you're eating, but don't

Branden Sewell (1:10:02)
Mm -hmm.

Yeah, yeah.

Mm

Yeah.

Curtis Boyd (1:10:32)
overstress it, you know, like just know you if you know how your body operates start with knowing how your body operates how many calories you're burning.

After two weeks, you'll completely understand your body. Like a lot of people think it's hard just like when it's like for doing finances for your business or your handyman business or your service business. Like, I got to look at all these numbers and organize them. It's the same with your body. I got to figure out what I got to eat and stuff. But once you figure it out, you can walk away from it and literally just, you know, you just know it's just in your head. Like, OK, this is how many calories is in this. This is how many calories I've burned today. And if you have an Apple watch, some people don't like the 5G waves and stuff like that. But if you have one or

Branden Sewell (1:10:47)
Mm

Yeah.

Curtis Boyd (1:11:10)
or a Fitbit or something, you know, when you go on walks, just hit track and you keep tracking your calories and you can literally live off that. there's, I got some buddies that track everything and then you've got me, like I track 75%. You know, with my clients, when you first start off, you've got to track 100 % for the first month.

Branden Sewell (1:11:14)
Mm

share.

Curtis Boyd (1:11:29)
And that's only because I want you to create a routine of tracking it only because I want you to know what's in certain foods that you eat on a daily basis. Because I don't change people's workout or their nutrition plan based off of just healthy options I think is good for them. I tell them, what do you eat? Give me what you eat for the next 24 to 48 hours. And then I make them a meal plan based off that. If you like lasagna, I can create you a high protein recipe for lasagna. You can have lasagna three times a week if you want.

Branden Sewell (1:11:39)
bright.

Mm

Curtis Boyd (1:11:58)
It's up to you, you know? And that's what it is. Like a lot of people, and then it's like, if you say in there you like Chick -fil I will put in there a day where you, Chick -fil -A, that's your day. You add it into your meal, you're good to go. know, as long as it fits within your macros. There's a couple of influencers I follow online right now. They go through the, it's called Eat Anything.

Branden Sewell (1:11:59)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Curtis Boyd (1:12:20)
eat anything for results type of thing. And they're the same like mindset as me is like, as long as you know your body and what you should be intaking and what your goal is, you can eat kind of, you can be a little bit lax on eating, but obviously nutrition is forever the cheat code to optimal, you know, optimal health for sure. Like I'm not going to say that you can just eat McDonald's every day and get in shape. If you do it correctly, you can, but it takes a lot of gym work.

Branden Sewell (1:12:41)
Yeah.

Mm

Curtis Boyd (1:12:50)
You know, like you see these influence. I want to be like, I eat McDonald's every day for six months, you know, and I tell my guys when I go on a job, I pull up with Chick -fil -A on a contractor job and they're like, what? And I'm like, I can eat this because I burnt this yesterday and I got to make up for this. Like it's just because like they don't tell people that you've got to you've got to put in so much work in the gym and things like that to be able to do something like that every day. Like that's a lot tougher.

Branden Sewell (1:12:50)
Yeah.

Mm

Yeah.

Curtis Boyd (1:13:16)
then people think, if you're like a here and there type of person or you wanna go cheat here and there, that's perfectly fine. If you wanna cheat four days a week, that's fine. Just know your body first. Know your body first, know what you should be putting in and how it should be operating and you'll be good. Yep. Yeah.

Branden Sewell (1:13:25)
Right. Yeah.

Yeah, that's good stuff. Good insight. my wife is actually in the fitness industry. So she she echoes a lot of the things that you're saying. So good stuff. Yeah. Well, hey, I'm going to bring us to a close here. But I appreciate your time and just the insight and value that you've been able to bring to the listeners today. So I hope if you're listening to this episode of this podcast that you've gained some value from.

Curtis Boyd (1:13:38)
Yeah.

Awesome. Yeah, that's awesome.

Yes, yes, sir.

Yeah.

Branden Sewell (1:14:00)
of what Curtis and I have talked about from leadership and managing just the holistic approach of your life, right? From your fitness, your mental health, your leadership, your family, all those things, everything matters. So I hope you've gotten value. If someone's interested in reaching out to you, Curtis, for more information, what would be the best way for them to get in touch with you?

Curtis Boyd (1:14:09)
Yes. Yep.

Yeah.

they can get in touch with me either on Instagram. Like I have my Instagram page. It's at the real Curtis Boyd. That's it. Super basic. People make fun of me for it all the time, but it was super easy for me. you can get in contact with me there. I utilize that to really contact more on like the fitness and holistic side, but I'm more active on that than anything. I'm pretty active on our unit service because unit service two four seven is our, our, the business Instagram for the handyman business. I'm fairly active on that, but that's more.

so am I admin, but if you got questions just about life, because I know everybody gets caught up in trying to do business, business, business, it's fine, but.

You know, I've kind of made business my life. So it's like, if you hit up my personal Instagram, I can talk to you about either the handyman business or I can talk to you about, you know, your holistic approach to life. And if you want to become a better leader or if you just want to, you know, you say, hey, I want to eat some pizza. Do you have a deep dish recipe? I can give that to you too. So, yeah, that's how you guys can get a hold of me. Just anything you need, let me know.

Branden Sewell (1:15:25)
Awesome.

Awesome. Good stuff. Well, thank you again, Curtis, for your time and the value you've brought to the show. And then if you're listening to this on YouTube, please like this video, comment below, share your feedback, subscribe to the channel, turn on notifications so you can get more of the podcast episodes that are coming, and share it with somebody so that they can learn from this as well.

Curtis Boyd (1:15:32)
Thanks for having me, Brandon.

Branden Sewell (1:15:53)
If you're listening on any of the major podcast platforms, whether it's Apple, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts, please rate and review the show so that we can get the show in front of more people. And as always, if you need any resources, if you're interested in Jobber, like Curtis and I talked about today, there is a referral link in the show notes below, which I do get credit if you decide to sign up. And I also offer that anybody that signs up through my affiliate link,

I will offer you free coaching on getting Jobber implemented into your business and how to optimize it for your business. So please use that. And we will see you next time on the next episode of the Off the Ladder Podcast.

Curtis Boyd (1:16:29)
awesome.

All right, thanks Brandon. Have a good one.