The Gospel According to Jeromy
Welcome to "The Gospel According to Jeromy" podcast, where faith, humor, and heartfelt stories collide in a lively conversation about life, love, and everything in between. Join your host Jeromy Deibler, along with co-hosts Jennifer Deibler and Drew Powell, as they share the Dieblers journey from being the acclaimed Christian band FFH to their current path in spiritual direction.
In this engaging and candid podcast, Jeromy, Jennifer, and Drew offer a unique blend of perspectives on spirituality, mental health, emotional well-being, and personal growth. Drawing from their extensive experiences on the road and life's ups and downs, they explore the joys and challenges of faith, all while sprinkling in some humor along the way.
Get ready for spirited debates, deep dives into controversial thoughts, and heartwarming memories as they invite you into their world of faith, questions, and spiritual exploration. Whether you're a longtime believer, a spiritual seeker, or simply someone looking for meaningful conversations, "The Gospel According to Jeromy" podcast has something for everyone.
Tune in to join the conversation, laugh, learn, and be inspired as Jeromy, Jennifer, and Drew navigate the twists and turns of life's spiritual journey. It's a podcast that's as diverse as their experiences and as authentic as their hearts. Subscribe today and embark on a captivating exploration of faith, laughter, and the adventure of the human spirit.
The Gospel According to Jeromy
Surrender and California with Aaron Benward
When Aaron Benward graced our studio, what unraveled was nothing short of a tapestry woven with the threads of laughter, transformation, and deep introspection. As my co-hosts, j Lo and Drew Powell, and I bantered with Aaron, we found ourselves trading tales from our mischievous days on tour to moments where life demanded we dig deep and evolve. From hilarious tour pranks to the serenity of surrender to a higher power, our conversation spanned the spectrum of human experience—always with a touch of the joy and playfulness that binds us as friends and fellow travelers on life's winding road.
Navigating life's shifts, be it through family changes, career transitions, or the introspective journey towards authenticity, was a common thread in our dialogue. Aaron's insight into the film industry, from the tension of multiple producers to the magic of authentic storytelling, offered a rare peek behind the curtain of cinematic creation. Meanwhile, the rest of us chimed in with anecdotes of personal milestones, the emotional weight of relocation, and the lure of a simpler existence. It was an exchange that reminded us how life's narrative is often punctuated by both the laughter-filled episodes and the silent spaces of growth and change.
The depth of our chat took us into tender territories as well, discussing the sometimes complex nature of family, identity, and the essence of love. As we traversed topics like health and wellness, the intricacies of LGBTQ+ conversations, and the profound question of self-identity, it was Aaron's candidness and the collective wisdom around the mics that illuminated the beauty of living authentically. With each story and reflection, our episode became an affirmation of life's profound, humorous, and, above all, human moments.
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Speaker 2:I mean, I pray real quick, can I pray?
Speaker 3:You're joking, right? I thought you were joking. He was joking, I thought you were serious.
Speaker 1:He's an actor, see everybody, welcome to the Gospel. According to Jeremy, I'm Jeremy Diable. Your host this episode, sponsored by Coke Zero, as always, and see organic products.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we're here with. He just wants to be sponsored by Coke Zero. So he just keeps saying it.
Speaker 1:We're here with my cohost, j Lo, and producer cohost Drew Powell.
Speaker 3:He doesn't know the J Lo story and our friend Aaron Dunward.
Speaker 2:I call my wife Kayla.
Speaker 3:Do you? Well? My middle name is Lois. Oh, so they used to call me J Lo before J Lo ever had.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I call my wife Kayla because of her booty.
Speaker 1:Oh okay, see, it's a different interview than it was. Yeah we had John Mays last week and we're already off the wire. Isn't he awesome? He's the best man.
Speaker 2:He's the best.
Speaker 1:Man, I forget how fun it is to be with you. Until I am with you. I'm like oh, now I remember.
Speaker 3:So did you introduce him, yet I did. This is Aaron.
Speaker 1:Benward, A little backstory for everybody listening Aaron. We got to know Aaron traveling on the road quite a while ago. Aaron was in Christian music, then also country music on TV, also now film producer and does it all. Yeah, just.
Speaker 3:Jack of all trades.
Speaker 1:He would be the one that does it all. If you, I mean Drew, this is your first Aaron experience. I've loved it so far.
Speaker 4:There'll be a survey at the end. No, it's great.
Speaker 1:But Aaron was also. You know I've mentioned on this podcast before some of my amends work and you know air quotes apology to her Apology to her Aaron was on that call to Aaron when we were living in California and just told him I'm sorry for being a jerk when I was and we've been on sort of a parallel path. I think the gospel according to Aaron is probably similar to the gospel according to Jeremy Just God keeps getting better. And then maybe some stuff that we thought totally Maybe we don't think anymore.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, when you, when you deconstruct things, things you think are right or actually not right, I've heard in that.
Speaker 1:What's funny is yesterday. We rarely see each other, but yesterday we were pulling out of the neighborhood and I saw Aaron jogging.
Speaker 1:Oh, really Because this is not the first time. I remember when we first met you, you were living over at Fieldstone Farms and I was driving up Hillsborough Road and I saw this guy jogging with, I think, one kid in a tricycle, and maybe you were pushing a stroller, like one was following you on a bike and you're pushing one, and I was like Aaron and you're like, yeah, that's me, that's awesome. And yesterday, you know, I had my 16 and 16 year old in the car and he leaned over and, you know, said what he thought is a word that maybe Sadie doesn't hear at home and I was like, don't worry about it.
Speaker 1:No, I apologize for future. Yeah, don't need to.
Speaker 2:That's funny.
Speaker 1:You guys have a very apologetic.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Resolatiation type relationship Well.
Speaker 2:I mean, I was, you know you started.
Speaker 1:You walked in today with an apology. I did.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was convicted. He grew up I said is there a team in?
Speaker 1:front of their daughter, like he literally. And I'm not going to tell all your story, but just the Aaron grew up sort of in the music business so he had kind of seen, he had kind of you were kind of over it even when you were doing it.
Speaker 3:You were and was I. Yeah, you were kind of like. I remember our first night we get, we got off stage and you were like I have some lighting cues and he tell the lighting guy to the and you were like dude, it just doesn't matter.
Speaker 1:And I told you, I said it does, though, man, we need to make it right and we want it to be professional.
Speaker 3:But you were like but you're like, it doesn't matter, just let it go. We go. We manager no, he was on tour, he was an artist, but you were like nah Jeremy, nobody cares. Nobody cares. You were like nobody cares about the lighting.
Speaker 2:You know some truth in that thing is I'm not.
Speaker 1:We also didn't know until you. We didn't know about tour pranks.
Speaker 3:We didn't know we learned so much from you, and so I mean Drew, you, you you know, tour pranks at the last night of the tour, and so the last night of our tour.
Speaker 1:To this day, it's still the best prank anyone's done.
Speaker 3:We didn't really do a lot after.
Speaker 1:Aaron. I mean we did the normal powder on the drum kit kind of thing. But the last night of the tour he was opening up for us and he had told the audience look, when FFH comes out here, I want all of you to turn around with your backs to the stage until until they hit the first chorus.
Speaker 2:Isn't that a good one?
Speaker 1:And so we played to 500 people.
Speaker 3:They're bats. Well, no, at first you're confused, but then you're like oh yeah, we're with Aaron.
Speaker 2:Oh, we got Aaron and then you actually were like looking around. I was on the stage to see what there is yeah. And I think he looked over and I'm like yeah, he was in our ear monitor.
Speaker 3:Yeah, she was he was in our ear monitor too, yeah.
Speaker 1:And then he went up in the balcony, where I think this was oh yeah, there was just the sound console on the balcony, and during the second half of our set he took his shirt off.
Speaker 3:Sorry, not surprising either he took his shirt off and was like doing motions.
Speaker 1:That's incredible. Does not surprise me, that's so great.
Speaker 3:We learned so much. We learned about who's the radio guy, that we learned about the Terza Bixby.
Speaker 1:Oh, the Roy D, mercer, roy D, by God, mercer.
Speaker 3:The Roy D by God Mercer. The Roy D by God Mercer, the Roy D by God.
Speaker 1:Mercer, you taught us the game of snaps.
Speaker 2:Yes, snaps, I forgot about that.
Speaker 3:We learned so much.
Speaker 1:Look at me, you're kind of like their mentor.
Speaker 3:And he slept. You were in the bunk above me, yep, and so you would just lean down and talk.
Speaker 2:Say what's up?
Speaker 4:You just never, know, never know, I think you get close on those.
Speaker 3:I mean that's like close on the radio. It was so fun he was a fun he was really fun to have out with. He was fun. Yeah, it was a good tour.
Speaker 2:It's like 25 years ago guys.
Speaker 1:That's weird, isn't it?
Speaker 3:It's more than that, right, I'm sorry that we kind of no 25 is probably right.
Speaker 1:So okay, so I only have, I have in my mind just like snip it, like I just have like little views into your story. So Christian music for a while, and then Blue County was right after that, right, correct?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, started with my dad, so my dad and I started singing together.
Speaker 3:How old were you when you did that?
Speaker 2:Well, I graduated in 1991 and started traveling with him right after I graduated and he is, was the big song right yeah, Did you write that? We actually had 11 number one singles Holy moly Between. A-c and Inspiration Okay.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Different charts, whatever, but he is probably the thing we'd known for Okay.
Speaker 4:The book of the.
Speaker 1:Bible song you know? Yeah, I remember it. Remember that, yeah, I'm 50.
Speaker 3:He's, he's a little bit.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So when's your birthday? I'm 49. September, so you must have been seriously a teenager when he is oh, dude, yeah, well, he is now.
Speaker 2:Would have been like I was, like I was probably 22. Okay, 22. Okay. And then cause we signed, we signed our deal when I was about 21.
Speaker 1:But you came out with us. You were solo. That was your first solo record.
Speaker 2:That was my first solo record. Okay, is that the? Only CCM record you made the only one I did by myself.
Speaker 1:And then Blue.
Speaker 2:County and then Blue County.
Speaker 3:Okay, which was?
Speaker 2:huge.
Speaker 3:Ah, no we had a couple hits. But I mean compared to when you when you're thinking of Christian music and then it's like Blue County was, it's a whole other world it's a whole other world and you had a couple hits. I mean that's huge. You have hits and country music.
Speaker 1:It was interesting. Yeah, it's totally I mean.
Speaker 3:It was interesting. It was interesting.
Speaker 1:So I remember we ran into you the next time stand, but we ran into your Cool Springs Mall and you were in Blue County and you were was he your partner? And that was a soap opera guy. He used to be yeah, and you look like one too. I was like man Aaron cleans up.
Speaker 2:I think we were ahead of our time and looked in some ways, because I think people weren't sure if we were gay or not.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they were like huh.
Speaker 2:Are you?
Speaker 1:Nah, I'm not, but we don't have a there's, we don't have a big audience. I know, but you know, gay dudes love me, they do.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they're into his calves.
Speaker 1:His calves. I have really, I do remember you have huge calves, I have great calves.
Speaker 3:Are you sure you're not gay? Because usually you only get guys to know the set.
Speaker 1:I remember that stuff I'm sure. Well, look, if somebody you put tendencies.
Speaker 2:I'm okay with my feminine side.
Speaker 1:If somebody told me you of 10 of your friends you know rank the ones that you might be on the list. Of gay guys. Well, if someone said, hey, it turns out Aaron's gay, I'd be like nah, oh my gosh, you're not on the list.
Speaker 3:Are you kidding me? Not even a little bit. Oh yeah, totally no, he's got such men.
Speaker 1:Could I like to dress You'd be like check this out? I would not, I wouldn't, no way. I wouldn't, I wouldn't be, blown away. I wouldn't be like.
Speaker 3:Blown away.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't be offended or not. I think you should be a little bit. I'm not offended by your response, but maybe, jeremy, I mean as a woman.
Speaker 3:I can tell you, I could, I can pick up gay and true, you do.
Speaker 1:Yes, she does know.
Speaker 3:He doesn't even have a fraction of it.
Speaker 1:We've got some friends that I've come home with. Hey, by the way, so and so is gay, and she's like duh. I'm like you knew she goes from the very beginning, yeah, from the minute I met him. Interest in that industry? Yeah, and so anyway. What did you point at me Jeremy's gay Last one that was a fat seaweed on the main episode.
Speaker 6:No, gay Jennifer once called it fat, not even a little bit, and it's not. I never called you fat, you did. It's recorded. Taylor, okay, I got it.
Speaker 1:I want you to find that for me. What if Jennifer would say to you you know you're a bigger guy. What would you take that as?
Speaker 2:I would think I'll probably go fat.
Speaker 3:But what I mean is he's six foot four. He's a big guy.
Speaker 2:I know what you mean. He is a big guy.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but I mean, I would not say fat.
Speaker 2:But anyway, I would absolutely choose you as my office.
Speaker 1:For sure, thank you, which we need to talk about that because we just finished God Family. Football Are you watching? Yeah, you watched it, yeah.
Speaker 2:Very, very fun. I was going to rag on you if you didn't watch it and then you asked me about it.
Speaker 3:I really wanted to be friends with some of those boys. They're awesome.
Speaker 1:She wanted to move that one kid's hair out every episode.
Speaker 3:That one boy with the hair in his face.
Speaker 1:Oh, I can't take it. What is it? I don't know about this, tell me.
Speaker 3:Oh, tell him about it.
Speaker 1:Oh, by the way, these guys do not think about the podcast until we sit down. So they, he didn't like, doesn't know anything. They don't like the research. When did you?
Speaker 2:start this. Gosh. Honestly, god, family Football would have to go back to when I was 10 years old. Okay, did you know that?
Speaker 3:coach, yeah, coach.
Speaker 2:Denny Duran is a. It's an. It's a Vanjo-Christian Academy in Shreveport. Louisiana's docuseries on Amazon that I created and executive produce, and, at 10 years old, my dad. We almost moved to Shreveport rather than Nashville because from Houston Okay. My dad and Denny became fast friends in ministry. Denny was is a Renaissance man. I mean he is an all two-time All-American quarterback and national champion. He's went to was in the NFL. He's a, he's a.
Speaker 1:Don't you just, you just want to be your grandpa. I mean, he's just the best.
Speaker 3:He just seems amazing.
Speaker 2:He's traveled the world, he's got patents, he's inventor, he's got a Grammy for a songwriter, he's written musicals, what? He's unbelievable communicator.
Speaker 4:And he's an all.
Speaker 2:He's a football genius, all these things. So when I met him, he just, he just was the guy. I wanted to be like man and he Did he recruit you.
Speaker 2:We were going to go there to yeah, it was going to be that but dad got signed a record deal at four front when we moved here. But long the short of it is I just Denny's one of my heroes and all of through these years, for 40 years now, he's been my mentor and when I got into film and TV producing you know, one of the stories I wanted to tell was him and how that school. So the school itself started in 1989. I'm excuse me, the football program started in 1989. And his mama started it. He's still living. She's in the show. I think she started the school or the football program.
Speaker 1:She started the school Okay.
Speaker 2:And then and asked Denny to come and start the football program in 1989 with a bunch of kids who'd never played football. And so in four years time they went to the state championship and won.
Speaker 1:Now clear this up. What division are they like?
Speaker 2:It's they're playing smaller schools, right that time in 1989 was division one, which was the smallest, now they're five, the biggest.
Speaker 3:Really. So they're playing the hardest. Yeah, yeah and they won 14 state championships.
Speaker 2:Now, Wow, Anyway, we were talking 2020. Catching up in September, Denny and I, and he was retired and I said, man, what, what? What are you doing? How you enjoying retirement? He's loving it. He got, like I don't know, 15 grandkids incredible family and I said we always got around the football team because that's what they're known for. How's the football team this year? And he's like, well, actually we haven't won a game yet. I'm like what, yeah, since 1990, we're, oh, and three or four, whatever it was, I go. What in the world? He?
Speaker 2:goes, we just have all freshmen and we're all young. I'm like so what are you going to do about it? I knew it was killing him and he said I'm actually going to come out of retirement. I go, you are, I go, cool man. When he goes tomorrow, tomorrow, I said tomorrow like mid, like tomorrow mid season. He's like yeah, I really feel like we've lost the culture here that I established and all the things. And so in that moment I really felt like that was the way I wanted to tell his story for his come back out of retirement and bring the program back to that that's cool.
Speaker 1:And so we ended up going seven and five or something. The first season, right, first season back.
Speaker 2:You mean well, his first season back.
Speaker 1:No, the first season of the show. Of the show yes, Okay, yep, and then we just show season two. Yeah, can well, you can't tell us now?
Speaker 3:Oh, it's so. You can't tell us what happens.
Speaker 1:Can't tell you, man, how do you keep a secret like that? I? Cannot wait to watch it?
Speaker 4:That's what my son is 13.
Speaker 2:It is so good. It's very fun. Oh, you need to watch it with him. It's on Amazon. It's like I call it Friday Night Lights in real life.
Speaker 1:It's really really good and encouraging and the episodes are like 30 minutes long, like we watched it all. We watched it all. We watched it all, we watched it in one night. Yeah, we changed smoke. Yeah, yeah, we did so good, that's very cool. So well, I mean we can get to that, but Blue County was a couple of years right, yeah, probably gosh, how long would it have been?
Speaker 2:Probably about five.
Speaker 1:Is that when you moved to California?
Speaker 2:Well, not for quite a few years. After that, okay, when we moved to California, what year is it 2024? Now it's four. We moved there in 2012.
Speaker 1:Oh, not that long before us. I thought you had been there quite a while.
Speaker 3:I mean, you've been there a lot longer than that 2012 and then for 10 years.
Speaker 2:Okay, we moved back to.
Speaker 1:Nashville. You were up Burbank the whole time, that same house.
Speaker 3:Yeah, what's funny is that we moved there in 2014 and then we moved back eight years, so we moved back the exact same time. When did you come back? Like what month Do you remember?
Speaker 2:April.
Speaker 3:May, something like that. Okay, I think you came a little bit before we did. We got here in September.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah.
Speaker 1:So did you kind of start your kind of like more progressive spirituality before you went there, or did it happen in California?
Speaker 2:Oh, that's a good question. I don't know, I don't really know, if there was an inception for that evolution.
Speaker 1:It wasn't like a book you read, or something.
Speaker 2:I think, you know, I think Love Wins was the book that everybody reads and begins to go, oh, there might be more, and I would be in that camp. You know, I think it was more about always, even when we had tour with you. You know, I gave you a hard time about it back in those days. I think I've always been one to kind of push the boundary. You were Very born of a lot of things.
Speaker 3:Makes me laugh. Even yes, you were.
Speaker 2:I know, you know, and so not that I'm not saying that's always good, but I'm saying that that was just kind of my bent on growing up in the church and feeling and in Christian school and the dad who was in ministry and all the things that, and we were in a Baptist, that, that and Southern Baptist predominantly and all of those things just, and I was a good kid, I really was. I'm minding my p's and q's. I didn't drink, didn't have sex, all the things and but he and and felt this gosh, just the whole burden of performance and had it for a long time. Even though I pushed boundaries I still performed well. I think people that knew me would say and know me would say you know, aaron seems to be all buttoned up and have it all put together and and it wasn't, you know, we can get that later, but four years ago is when I really surrendered my life man to God and just said you know what I'm done with all this crap.
Speaker 2:I'm tired of the tempest and I I say this my terms I know my eternity. Whatever that is was secure is whatever. How about that looks, but I wasn't experiencing the freedom here, that, that I, that I have now and anyway, so I.
Speaker 1:Well, when I ran into you and Franklin about a year ago, we, we, we talked just real quick in front of the elevator and I said, hey, are you still in the whatever that loved wins phase? And you're like you know what. I'm kind of tired of it yeah. I'm kind of, and I am too, yeah, like that's cool I I sort of resist talking about it because I know it just gets me kind of put in an outgroup or a and I'm like, look, we don't need to talk about this.
Speaker 3:I think they've been the same spot too, is kinda's is not into it no and I was never. I was like I don't want to talk about I she didn't.
Speaker 2:She didn't say I don't care that's exactly what I say, like I'm like I don't care about trying to get all ethereal and deep and figure it all out and I just realized, man, god is bigger and better than all that anyone so it's like yeah, and honestly for me it came down to you at some point. You got to deal with Jesus yeah you do you can get God out there spiritual, out there universe, do all that's fine, but at some point you got to deal with Jesus. Yeah, and you see there, yes or no, bro. So what did?
Speaker 3:that look like. When you say four years ago, what does that mean?
Speaker 2:I just you know my wife and I went through. You know our kids were grown um.
Speaker 2:I think we're going through. You know things in our and some things in our marriage we're dealing with that we we wanted to be honest about with each other and I'll never forget I was in the backyard and Burbank and and you know I don't know many people out there will experience this but you, you know when your kids were raised and you've done your job. I mean, we got married at 20, had a Luke at 21 wow, I had three kids about time was 27 and toured my whole life.
Speaker 2:So there are areas of our marriage that were that left you know that weren't uh, had been tended to like you should have what we should have been, yeah. And so you get to a place you're listering at each other and you're alone. You go okay, what are we doing? What are we doing?
Speaker 2:and so when we started getting to honestly with each other is when our marriage just went to a whole new level and at that same time, it was around being honest with myself, with who I am in Christ and or what that looks like, and so I was just like yo, god, if you can, if you say you can, give me all these things, I want all of it, I don't want just a little bit of it. And so, and I just surrendered everything and you know, going back to the whole, aaron had all put together. Look, I did. I was so funny, you had Shelley. I think point of grace is to tell me, aaron, you're always show ready that was the big thing.
Speaker 2:I would agree that totally funny, and so my wife and I've joked about it all over the years and and show ready was a metaphor, I think, for my life yeah. I rather it had to be.
Speaker 3:You know you had to be as being a you know, dad and ministry record deal. You had always be show ready. You were always on show. You know what's interesting about the pony? You had to get it out so true, but you and I would have.
Speaker 1:We did have some really well. You may not remember, but I remember them as really important conversations on that tour. And you did not like hypocrisy. No, because one thing you gave you don't even know you did this, but I could tell and I said Aaron, do you see any of that? And you actually told me. You said no, jeremy, you guys actually do it. You you gave me you meant it as a compliment, but you did not like hypocrisy.
Speaker 2:You still don't probably, but I do remember that was you're like man, I've see, but I it's funny I didn't lie, I didn't and don't like it, but I had it all right looking back and go get honest with yourself but you had seen the music business with its makeup off long before yeah, we had yeah and yeah, I gosh, that's a whole another kind.
Speaker 2:I'm probably a whole other podcast, but it's like I'll. I look back and I part of my bent and even view that was so quote, opinionated or whatever it was was really based in pride yeah.
Speaker 2:I had a lot of pride and those that's the one of the main things I surrendered is, like god, I I'm never been mean to. I don't mean to people, I don't talk about myself, I'm not that kind of pride, but inside, you know, I I'm a big believer. That you got, we got to start thinking about what we're thinking about, because the reason why we want to have the mind of Christ is because everything starts in our mind and I really, really, really believe that we, we as people who love Jesus, have to be militant about our thought life because everything starts there interesting yeah, and that's what I started doing and I started changing it.
Speaker 2:So, pragmatic ways, I started changing what I did. I mean I was get up, go text, emails, blah, work, huh, make it happen hustle, hustle hustle and I stopped. I literally stopped, and I still, to this day and will for the rest of my life, got willing to start my day with him, whatever it looks like. It could be singing, it could be watching birds, it could be reading a book or the word, or just whatever is in my spirit that day. Watching birds is awesome. I love watching birds so much.
Speaker 1:I know.
Speaker 2:I know.
Speaker 3:I'm the same. I love birds and it's an old person thing.
Speaker 2:I know, yeah, I don't do that. So you know you're young.
Speaker 3:He's still too young for it you like birds in about 10 years, give me 10 years.
Speaker 1:But he just said something a bit ago that you're just like I don't care. But I think that's actually sort of new for you too, because I remember distinctly a friend came over a house in California and I was like, look, baby, I don't want to talk about this with him. And you're like okay, okay. And you launched it in the room.
Speaker 3:You're like, you're like because if you tell me not to talk about it, I'm gonna talk about my sister. We went on a road trip with my mom and my sisters and my sister's like, look, whatever you do, guys, don't bring this up in front of mom, I don't want to have this conversation. We went the whole trip and on the way home I was like, hey, mom, what do you think about? And we had a screen match in the car, interesting. And my sister's like I didn't, she's just crying and she's like I didn't want to talk about it. I'm like and I'm sitting there, just mouth on the door. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2:I don't know why I can't handle it. Maybe you're an instigator.
Speaker 3:I maybe.
Speaker 2:I just I think, I can't handle an elephant in the room.
Speaker 3:I can't handle it and so with that guy, who I know exactly what you're talking about, I it felt like an elephant in the room to me it ruined it, though it ruined it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he hates us now he hates us really yeah he just can't, he just couldn't, but you know.
Speaker 1:John Mays was here last week and he's kind of on a parallel path. You know, john Mays, yeah, and I realized when he was talking last week because, because we asked him a little bit about this and he had kind of a, he had kind of a precipitating event like a precipitating, that's raining.
Speaker 3:He had a big rainstorm. No, no, he had an event that came before him kind of gone, I don't know proceeding.
Speaker 1:Okay, it was something it precipitated.
Speaker 3:A precipitate that's rain too. What is?
Speaker 2:it anyway.
Speaker 3:Maybe there's precipitation and precipitated maybe he had an event that caused him to think about it caused him to go.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't him, I don't think I even think this about, about like what and so, but I realized as he was talking I probably wouldn't have been open to being open without getting sick yeah, like it was like okay, you know, two rounds of chemo and not I mean I don't. And actually you know it was a little jarring for you because I was the same. Get up, you know, I read my Bible in the morning and then I just killed it.
Speaker 2:I didn't even do that, no one's gonna.
Speaker 1:I was just like no one's gonna outwork me and no one you know. And when I kind of shut it down and just stopped, she was like, well, you can tell it like I can. Well, you were like I'm not used to this.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, I mean it was a totally different. I mean he was driven, I mean it was. This is going to happen and we're getting there no matter what.
Speaker 1:And come hell or high water yeah.
Speaker 3:I mean we're getting there is no question. It was just happening, and I don't care how it happens. You know we're getting there, and so. And whenever he laid it all down, it was like oh, who are you? I mean, it was very strange.
Speaker 2:How did you? But how did you feel in that moment? Or maybe as a duration of that, a little bit relieved, yeah, I'm sure.
Speaker 3:You know, like oh gosh, finally we don't have to keep trying to push this rock up this hill.
Speaker 2:You know, do you remember he's similar. I mean he's always been a great energy, great, joyful, seemingly, and positive, like myself. But I will say, when I, when I changed, I was just sick of what you're gonna. If you're sick of what you're getting, you got to change something. And so I was just sick of it. And so when I did, man, my wife began to like, in her own way, have this metamorphosis that she needed for what her things?
Speaker 2:My kids started mentioning things. Dad, wow, not only you and your mom, you and mom are like so different and oh and or man I look you know, started making comments about it. It's because it, when you, when you, when you prioritize the spirit and the relationship to our maker, then then that's a true surrendered state. And therefore, you do, you still show up, I still work hard, I love working, I love what I do, but I surrender the outcome and that's the difference.
Speaker 3:Yeah Well, do you think this is? Do you think it? This is a really weird question to ask. That's easier to do when you have a cushion of money.
Speaker 2:Oh man, I'll tell you a story right now. So when we moved to Los Angeles, it was we short sold our house in Franklin. We had to come to the table with $25,000 to get out of it.
Speaker 3:That was the money that was whenever we were in the housing crisis.
Speaker 2:Yes, oh, oh wait, you're right.
Speaker 3:Well, that was 08.
Speaker 2:So right after, right after that, and so, but we knew we were supposed to go. And then going to Los Angeles or Burbank was two and a half almost three times the amount of money in my housing costs that.
Speaker 3:I just got out of Right.
Speaker 2:Okay, with no cushion, I haven't been saving Right. Then the cost to move all these things. All that said, we got to home in Burbank and leaving there 10 years later for the first time in our life and now both minds you after our first year for our daughters, we had two daughters for two years in private school and then another four years of our youngest, so six years total in private In Burbank, In Burbank.
Speaker 3:Yeah, which is expensive.
Speaker 2:Okay, and that's a whole other miraculous story, it's just yeah. But leaving there, for the first time in our life, had savings. Wow. Had money in the bank that we never had before Amazing. And if you put it on paper didn't make any sense. So cool. So it's. I'm a. You're talking to a guy who's the biggest believer in stepping out of faith that you're going to find, because I just have testimony, of testimony.
Speaker 1:Well, that makes I mean we do have a lot of parallels, because when we moved to California we moved with, we actually owed money.
Speaker 3:Oh, tons of money, and we still had our house that was hanging over our head.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we had lost the house on the flood and the mold and lost a record deal, and but we did not come back with money in the bank.
Speaker 4:No, there's where we differ. There's where the difference.
Speaker 1:I mean, when we got to Irvine, like we, like we we've lived within our means and you know, in God's kindness, we got out of debt and all that. But we were like we don't know how long we're going to live here, let's enjoy. You know, we didn't we? Maybe we should have said about to save more than we did. But Hutch also went to private school.
Speaker 1:Private school for a little bit, but we went to the beach and enjoyed it, and I mean living there, living there is so expensive and we knew we're never going to be able to buy a house out here, so we just treated it like temporary. Yeah, yeah, it's good. I, I do miss it, oh yeah, you do miss it, I miss it so bad, I miss it.
Speaker 2:We go back a lot, though Do you.
Speaker 3:Well, you have a kid there.
Speaker 2:No, we have nobody there.
Speaker 3:Oh, I thought he still lived. Luke still lived there, Luke lives here in Tennessee.
Speaker 2:Do you stay with?
Speaker 1:you stay with Melody and Tim when you go. We have some yeah.
Speaker 2:But we also have really close friends of ours that live right, our neighbors basically up the hill from where we live that are empty nesters too, and their kids went to the same school and we're just really close to them. So we have four bedrooms and we go there and stay there in Burbank.
Speaker 1:That's very cool. Another thing you taught me, and you didn't even know you were doing it, and I never even told Jennifer about this. But when I came to visit you the first time in Burbank, you know, we, when we moved to California our agreement with them is that we could, we could still go play shows. It was like well, you know, 10 weekends a year you guys can leave, and we were kind of still hanging on, though Do we shut this down, Do we not? And in just your winsome way, we walked into your house and one of your kids came out I think it might have been Grace, Gracie and you said hey, Gracie, this is Jeremy Diabler. I knew him back when I was in Christian music and I heard you say when I was, and I was like oh, this is what it looks like to move on. Oh, wow, Like he's not hanging on to this anymore. It's interesting. And I was. It was actually kind of like a relief, Like, oh, you can, you can do something else.
Speaker 2:That's really interesting. I was just thinking on the way over here, the amount of things that have been birthed in my life that I've had to let go of and or doesn't like. There is a was in our life as far as part of our, as part of our story. And as we continue to write our story, you know God is moving forward. He's not moving backward, and so as we continue to write, what he's calling us to and our passions in our heart or whatever that case might be for you, is that we're moving forward. So there's always going to be a was and I was taking I was weird, I don't know why I was thinking about that of the things that I thought were going to be continual, that had that I started got off the ground was able to get moving and then it was almost like an eagle.
Speaker 2:It had to let it go fly and then they fly, they go wherever they went. And so that's interesting. Thanks for saying that. Did you want to be famous? Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Did you?
Speaker 3:Oh, I remember you saying it to us I want to be famous.
Speaker 1:You did, you babe.
Speaker 3:Did I want to be famous?
Speaker 1:Yeah, you did.
Speaker 3:That was all I wanted as a kid was to be rich and famous. Sorry, I remember telling the counselor. I remember telling the counselor. You told you totally ratted me out to a counselor one time and I was like, don't say that.
Speaker 1:Oh great. Yeah, I'm sorry. Oh, my God, you added me yeah.
Speaker 2:Another thing I've got to say.
Speaker 3:It seems like such a horrible shallow thing to say about yourself it is a shallow thing to say.
Speaker 2:I'm a three on the enneagram, if you guys know enneagram.
Speaker 1:Yeah, me too, I'm a poster child, you shock.
Speaker 2:Yeah right, shocker, I literally probably should be on the chapter three.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you should Me too yeah.
Speaker 2:And so now that I live mostly in health, hopefully I'm thankful yeah.
Speaker 3:What do you think Candace is?
Speaker 2:She's a one, she's a poster child for our one.
Speaker 3:Really.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm still coming to terms with my. I'm kind of somewhere between a four and a three, but I've realized I still want to be the best at stuff. Yeah, you know, even if I go that's kind of proud, I still want. You know, threes want to be on the winning team. That's not bad. I don't know if it is bad either, but I realize like even if I'm doing something else, I still want to be the best at it.
Speaker 3:I think part of it is when you were in really working in your three it was you were in a lot of unhealthy is what you probably are, why you kind of say it's you, kind of you have a negative light at it when you talk about it.
Speaker 1:Well, it's weird to hear him say well, that's okay, that's good.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but.
Speaker 1:I do want, like I still am like, yeah, but whatever that is, I want, if I'm doing something I want to be the best at it.
Speaker 2:Well, that's okay. I look back at my uh three nests and go I want to puke because it's really not, it's not cool at all.
Speaker 1:It's disgusting. I teach the in your gram and I tell I tell people. I tell people if you love your number, that's not it. That's not it, because if you really know your number, it will grieve you.
Speaker 2:Yes, it'll grieve you for the people in your life It'll.
Speaker 1:Everybody wants to be a seven. I'm like no, no no, you're at some point. Your any gram number will confirm.
Speaker 2:That's great. I love that. Yeah, I'm gonna love the in here so much Do you yeah not christians now think that's demonic.
Speaker 3:Yeah, now it's evil. It was like all christian, now it's evil.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, you know well yeah it'll be back.
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Speaker 3:What's funny is I Messaged you what this is why you were on a little prop plane and I was like, um no, because you looked at us on the, we were talking about prop planes and you looked at this and you go. I banned them. You never would fly.
Speaker 1:I banned them before you're like, that's my dad speaking.
Speaker 2:That was my dad. You said I don't get it.
Speaker 1:I don't get only thing with propeller.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so you said, and so I've messaged you and was like hey, what are you doing on that little propeller plane? And so we got to talk and and interesting, I forget I'm named. No, so you have a guy on your show.
Speaker 2:That cannot promote your show because I'm not on social media at all, so no, really, congratulations for putting me on your show.
Speaker 3:Oh please, you know what? We don't really. My wife will, though we don't want people to listen to it.
Speaker 1:This, this show, started out as like it was, like he came to me and he said let you know, let's do an episode. It was kind of an experiment and we just keep doing.
Speaker 3:But if you would hear, if you would go back and don't, don't listen to it for your own, really. I we say some really stupid stuff and it's very embarrassing when I people come up to you go.
Speaker 2:Hey, I listened to your podcast. I'm like oh god, why can't you?
Speaker 1:can? I thought we're maturing, though.
Speaker 3:Are we?
Speaker 1:well, we end up you're asking, but we end up talking about this now in every podcast, but on the second episode we were talking about me. We were talking about me. Please don't go there. We're talking about me peeing my pants or something a lot of More than and Jennifer goes, that's nothing. I poop my pants.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah so.
Speaker 2:I shard too.
Speaker 1:sometimes there it is, it's at the worst time though, yeah like when that happens, like yeah, it's been a while probably running.
Speaker 2:I remember one time I was in a grocery store and I sharded.
Speaker 3:Oh, that's the worst in public. Do you watch? Do you ever watch ridiculousness or any of those?
Speaker 2:I have not, not consistent, man He'll have. Oh, do you know, rob Derek?
Speaker 3:You guys seem a lot alike. He's like. He's like as far as hosting. He's my idol, he's a great host, but he taught he has people he'll have like category of people who just won't just drop their pants, a poop in a Grocery store and walk away. No, just walk away, I just did that for my colon.
Speaker 1:It didn't come out of your pants, though what's it called?
Speaker 2:No, but I pooped in the bag.
Speaker 3:Oh, yes, in the box, and you send it in.
Speaker 2:How'd it go great. I mean, you're here, you're good.
Speaker 3:So cola guard you do every three years colonoscopy, every 10s, okay well, and that tells you whether you need the colonoscopy right, exactly, yeah, and I don't have any history. I feel comfortable why am I talking about poop? Listen, it happens. Okay, that's what I'm saying. Don't go back, but in the store it didn't come out.
Speaker 1:Huh it, it was contained. It was contained. Yeah, yeah, okay, and you're just like I gotta get home.
Speaker 2:I think I went to the bathroom and just kind of try to clean up.
Speaker 3:Yeah, this is kind of a shopping.
Speaker 2:She's like go the bathroom yeah get away from me, stink.
Speaker 1:I mean, you've traveled so much you don't have a problem doing it in public Our son hutch he.
Speaker 4:he will hold it until he's home, so we'll look like that's how I two days really I cannot go in public.
Speaker 1:Well the older I get, the more I'm willing just to go for it. But historically I've not been able to go in public.
Speaker 3:Well, hutch will be in there 20 minutes, 20 minutes and take them down. I'm just like sit down, yes.
Speaker 1:I don't even put the little Let me tell you something.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, I line it to until you can't even tell it's a toilet when I'm done Blinding it before I sit on it.
Speaker 1:No way, dude, I'm in and out. No.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I, the older I get, the longer I kind of hang and real a bit.
Speaker 1:But no way dude, because then it.
Speaker 3:No, we don't need to go there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we know Well, no, you got like no, let's don't. Then it's just get, let it go. You got to get a chisel, to please let it go. Maybe I edit this, oh great. Amazing Well there you go, although I've never gone in a porta potty ever.
Speaker 2:Well, I've never gone.
Speaker 3:Number two in a quarter of a bunch of times I did it when you're at it, when you're at a like a, you know an event and that's all. There is you.
Speaker 1:No way, no way. You got when you gotta go. You gotta go behind it.
Speaker 3:Oh, me too. Me too. I actually went into the parking lot, pull open the doors so that I could pee in between, so I didn't have to go on the porch. But I hate porta potty.
Speaker 1:It's awful. I hate them. Wow, it's a disgusting why are we talking about this?
Speaker 3:We have a guest here who we could be talking about something interesting guest and we're talking about. So the reason I asked you about, the reason I asked, you about being famous is your cut.
Speaker 1:Your life now is kind of making other people famous and is that's interesting? Is there any kind of like? There's no, there's no rub. You're like, no, I don't need to be on screen, so that's, I'm so glad you brought that up. Um, you're about to start in Europe.
Speaker 2:No, I really felt as a part of of my story, as of four years is a big deal, uh, I'll go. Four years ago, um that I felt like I was saying to me you know, when I say god's saying to me, to me that's loud thoughts, yeah, same, um that. Um, you know, I started producing Film first and then this show and other things. Now, and I've been, I've I've really come into realize that's what I've been made to do. I always thought I was going to be the face voice, whatever thing, and I was for a season that was great and I experienced a lot. However, that wasn't Ultimately what I believe my skill set and giftings are. I can do it, I love it. I still do it in Vegas every Friday at Manila Bay. I have a show there and have for 15 years. So that gives me that little live itch. But it's different If it's your host. You're hosting yeah, I hosted and okay form and it's like a luber cafe vibe in Manila Bay.
Speaker 3:Do you fly out there every Friday?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Oh, wow.
Speaker 2:Yeah, um, it's called Nashville, unplugged so propellers yeah. But you know it's, it's different now. It's like you know my motivations back then. Uh, we're, you know. But just because I can doesn't mean I should, you know, and I enjoy. I do enjoy singing and all this stuff, but I've never felt more satisfied than being behind the scenes.
Speaker 3:Isn't it fun.
Speaker 2:So much fun and being able to creep use my creative side of my brain and my kind of analytical side, and so yeah um, I love it. Yeah, I love that's cool.
Speaker 1:Yeah especially when it's your kids. Yeah, like there's something so, so natural about going even with your own kids. I gotta become less.
Speaker 3:You gotta be you know, I mean it's your turn.
Speaker 1:Yeah, your turn. Like I, I'd almost rather it happened for you than for me.
Speaker 2:Oh, 100%, are you kids?
Speaker 1:acting and all that stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, our son, our oldest son, luke. He's 28 now.
Speaker 3:He's he's a pretty big movie star.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's been doing it for a long time Um you would know of him Really.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, you probably know some stuff he's done um, and then our youngest, ella, she's, she's, she's.
Speaker 2:I told her the day I was praying for it and I and I felt like I had this word mouthpiece came into my mind and I just really feel like she's gonna be the mouthpiece for our family and for our heritage and our legacy. On a big stage, and bigger stage than all of us have had. She just has a special thing and not only is she crazy talented, but she also has a passion for people and, um, for sharing honestly Christ love with people, and I think it's gonna be Unbelievable.
Speaker 3:But where's she's in Oklahoma. Mark this day. Huh, she's in Oklahoma.
Speaker 2:Oklahoma City University. Yeah, I want this one of the top three schools for musical theater. So they have. She's going to Broadway. That's her dream.
Speaker 3:That's. That's Sadie's, our daughter, yeah, yeah, and she's all into. She's Ella, she really does, she really.
Speaker 1:I'm not kidding, that's incredible yeah. I mean, say I mean saying he's working on us about moving. She already wants to be in New York, Canada but she needs to be honest.
Speaker 3:That's. That's terrifying. I mean you can't just go straight into New York.
Speaker 1:Paybacks are real because her mom used to tell me because she was in the rodeo and she wanted to, where'd you want to move to Oklahoma? So, like she would ask her parents, yeah, all the time.
Speaker 3:I wouldn't just ask.
Speaker 1:They called it the Hitler water drop method. They would just.
Speaker 3:I mean, it was constant Sadie's doing that about letting go like daddy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, daddy, when we move into York like yeah, yeah, constant yeah so how old were you when your parents got divorced?
Speaker 2:They have 32 years. They were married, so I would have been Right on 30 31.
Speaker 1:So you've been married about as long as your parents.
Speaker 2:It'll be 30 in May. Wow, this year.
Speaker 1:Man that had to be like I can't imagine, I can't imagine a as an adult, my parents getting divorced.
Speaker 2:Yeah, as I look back and have dealt with a lot of my trauma, I would say that had a part of part to do with it. Um, you know god being in ministry and God used my dad and I greatly with the families for years. I mean, I saw families restored, marriages restored, goes on and on and on. And then, when my parents couldn't figure it out, I was like, well, I almost said a bad word Um you can?
Speaker 4:what the hell you know?
Speaker 2:um not as bad a word hell um, you know, and so you know what is all this, and that kind of honestly going back to it. There you go. I just, we just figured it out going full circle at the beginning. That's where I started, for me. Okay that's where it started for me.
Speaker 4:And I was. That's where you then I was also in country music. I was out of christian music.
Speaker 2:Finally, I always went. That was part of my ego. I'm bigger than christian music. So, full of shit. And then I got into the country space. My parents divorced. The country world is a whole different ball of wax. And then All of that was where I started my kind of like what?
Speaker 1:is all this? It was like an innocence lost. Like, yeah, if my parents can't make it, yeah, like what? What do we do?
Speaker 3:I feel like, like can I? It is marriage, even does it ever work?
Speaker 2:Of course, absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 3:I can't imagine having someone married for 32 years and going, yeah, I'm done. Yeah that's a long time.
Speaker 1:It's a long time. I can't imagine being married 32 years and having enough energy to be done.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying, because we've talked about, we're like yeah, like we don't want to get divorced, but I don't to start over like yes, so like I mean that just seems hard, harder work than staying horrible because you guys have friends like I do that are in our age, that are single and dating the whole app thing and it looks so awful. That's so disgusting to me it's like no, no.
Speaker 3:Can you imagine?
Speaker 2:So my wife and I said from day one, though too and we've you know, stay that course. There's nothing that either of us can do that will cause us a breakup. We can fail you know, put through God's grace and, yeah, forgiveness. We can, we can do this.
Speaker 1:I've had clients. They were what about? But what about cheating? But cheating and I go. That's doesn't have to be a deal breaker. No way it's almost like Christians have taken the cheating thing and almost like it's a rule now that if a person cheats you have to get divorced it is. Oh yeah, it's like you know, well, if they cheated, then and I'm like, well, why right? You know we're all cheaters, yeah 100%, you know they just went through with it.
Speaker 1:That's right, and everybody to it, every person I've talked to who is cheated, we'll say, yeah, it's not worth it. Wow, like they're like. Yeah, I regret it. Yeah it's I mean, so I go. That doesn't have to be a that's not a deal breaker.
Speaker 2:No way really.
Speaker 3:I'm just seeding that in your mind.
Speaker 4:I'm not wearing a ring.
Speaker 1:Why aren't you wearing a ring? I forgot it again.
Speaker 3:I have this one, but I'm just so. We're both pretty tan.
Speaker 1:For what we're. You and I are both pretty tan, I've noticed, are you? Like tan yeah we're both tan people.
Speaker 3:We just went to why oh, you did okay, so it's really that goes back to that money cushion.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 3:Actually it was a gift, we, we, I'm kidding, I'm kidding, it was completely free as a 20 million dollar house on the water.
Speaker 2:Oh my god friends of my wife's.
Speaker 4:That's sad.
Speaker 2:I gave it then, so seven couples went set.
Speaker 3:Friends of your wife have a 20 million dollar place and so she's Rich friends, or so?
Speaker 4:10 days rich friends, and it was like they are the best.
Speaker 2:You can live like a rich person if you have rich friends. You can, at least for a week, and so we. It was like we went to heaven.
Speaker 3:That's like private jet money, though that's another level. I was holding another level.
Speaker 2:I mean, these people have a private jet, they're the Google vps and yeah, you know, yeah, so I mean, these people are like they have a house on the water. Monterey. They have a house amazing wow. But it was like, went to heaven and then all of a sudden, after 10 days, we're like, oh, we gotta go back to earth.
Speaker 1:We get it back to.
Speaker 3:Tennessee.
Speaker 1:First time we went to why we landed back in lax and we were going. What would we have to sell?
Speaker 3:Yeah what could?
Speaker 1:just get on a plane and go right back bro, I'm in the middle of it.
Speaker 2:Whatever going, babe, I can take zooms here and phone calls here. Yeah, then just go on location when we're shooting.
Speaker 1:Let's live in Hawaii, yeah the problem is you wouldn't be at that house. Oh, that's the thing. Yeah, it would be a little dump.
Speaker 3:Yeah you know, and.
Speaker 2:I would be so far away from my kids and you wouldn't be close to the water either.
Speaker 3:Well, I mean, everything's close to the water, but you'd be, it wouldn't be in a good location.
Speaker 2:Are we being LA still for our kids right here? Honestly, we probably would still be in California.
Speaker 3:Really so. Your kids brought you back here.
Speaker 2:Part of it, most of it.
Speaker 3:Why? And then we couldn't afford. They wanted to come back here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, look, I always wanted to live here. Why Well, I mean he has good memories, he hates Hollywood. Okay.
Speaker 1:Well, if we would have stayed in LA any longer, our kids would be from there.
Speaker 3:Well, we were in LA, but yeah.
Speaker 1:And so we were like and they can't afford to be from there, you know how do we ever it's what you were just talking about, like with the rich friends. It doesn't sound like maybe you deal with this, but we were in Montana a couple of weeks ago and Montana money is crazy and the ownership I mean the people that we were with. They own a thing here and a thing there. It's not just, it's 10,000 acres there and there and we're going to bed at night and I was like, babe, I'm so depressed because I don't own anything.
Speaker 3:I mean, we have five acres kind of.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no house on it and I was like and she's like, she was great.
Speaker 4:She said, but you are getting to use it you know yeah, you're getting to, you're enjoying it, so she just don't own it.
Speaker 1:Yeah so.
Speaker 3:Do you guys still have property?
Speaker 2:here, mm-hmm.
Speaker 3:You have an acreage right.
Speaker 2:I have almost 11 acres in Chapelville, tennessee, but you're not building on that, no.
Speaker 3:Okay, you're building somewhere else. Okay, yeah, you want to use it sometimes. Yeah.
Speaker 2:We just out there a couple days ago. It's like we definitely feel like we're supposed to be there, but who knows, man Again. Yeah, If we can, great. If we're not. We have property, we have been without a home for almost a year. You realize this.
Speaker 3:We have been nomads for a year Because you're building.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm, Because when we moved here we were renting out at a place in Dixon, Tennessee that.
Speaker 3:Why was?
Speaker 2:so far away. I love you guys, but man, that's a long way.
Speaker 3:That's not just too far.
Speaker 2:And to get us back here because we got out of our thing in Burbank, our rental in Burbank.
Speaker 3:So you rented your whole time, whole time. So did we Don't?
Speaker 1:do the math, paid off the house for that guy for sure.
Speaker 3:Yeah, don't do the math.
Speaker 1:Totally.
Speaker 2:Oh, I have.
Speaker 1:I've done the math.
Speaker 2:I won't let myself it's brutal, it's gnarly and then. So we got back here in Tennessee and lived out there, about an hour outside of town, with people listening in Dixon and that was brutal.
Speaker 4:We're big in Dixon.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:People just said, that's me. Yeah, that one person, and then we kicked us out early because they needed to move back into the house of landlord. So then we were like okay, well we're going to go and put our stuff in storage and because we were in Louisiana for four months in the fall.
Speaker 3:Oh right.
Speaker 1:You know, you just described something that it's a really good descriptor of how this is different than LA, because if we were in Southern California an hour away from something no big deal, duh, no big deal In Dixon, you may as well be in Memphis. They did have that great place, dixon Donuts, the great donuts.
Speaker 3:Dixon, have you been to? I think it's Luke's they have good burgers apparently.
Speaker 1:No, there's a barbecue place downtown that's delicious too, in Dixon. Okay, so I haven't been yet they had some of the best pizza they've ever had in Dixon.
Speaker 3:Really what kind, like what?
Speaker 2:It's just like a thin crust deal.
Speaker 3:But it's just so good, like a New York pizza or no, like a thin crust, just a thin.
Speaker 2:Yeah, crispy, thin, crust.
Speaker 3:Okay, yeah.
Speaker 2:Dixon.
Speaker 3:Do you know Scott Williamson? Uh-huh. They do a. He does a show called Piley Deets Food and he flew out there and they fly somewhere and they eat.
Speaker 2:In a prop plane.
Speaker 3:In his little prop plane.
Speaker 1:One prop which you banned yeah you can't be on it.
Speaker 3:Yeah. I'm not going, but they ate at a place called Luke's I think it was in Dixon, and then his son went back he said it is so good.
Speaker 2:Interesting. No, I never knew Luke's.
Speaker 3:Yeah, maybe I'm wrong town. I'm starving.
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Speaker 3:Let me ask you this Because we have tens of listeners.
Speaker 1:This is a big shift gears. So when you're watching a movie or whatever so like for the big movies, you'll see like Sky Dance, and then you'll see another logo, those like if there's like eight of those in a row, are those all people who have paid for the film along the way?
Speaker 2:Either paid or made it. Okay. Either paid, meaning they're executive producer types, investors, or they're the acts of producers or production companies.
Speaker 3:So producers are the people that go and or the studio too. Are their hands on the ground, boots on the ground.
Speaker 1:Like they're hands on doing it. You have multiple producers on a movie.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 3:I feel like that would be very hard.
Speaker 2:It's a lot. I mean it's a lot to keep going, but I mean having multiple.
Speaker 3:I feel like you would just bang heads all the time you can.
Speaker 1:Okay, so wait a minute so the movie doesn't get sold to the next person. It can be all those people with opinions 100%.
Speaker 3:Oh my gosh, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:But they hire the director and try to trust the director to make the film they want.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the director you know, a film is a director's medium.
Speaker 1:You know it's definitely a director's medium. They have veto power.
Speaker 2:The director does. No, the ultimate veto power is producers. Okay, so typically in a movie you'll get a director's cut. He cuts it, he or she cuts it, and then you produce this cut that they come in, and then they.
Speaker 1:That's why they have a director's cut, because that's the movie they would have made. That's right.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's right I didn't know this thing so on the DVD, when you're yeah, dvd I got a blue right here, and so the producers and or studio I mean the studio, he who writes the checks ultimately makes the rules.
Speaker 3:Okay, really.
Speaker 2:So you produced God Family Football. Yeah, so God Family Football. I shot a sizzle, I created it. The concept came up with the title, all the things it sizzles like a trailer. It's like a like a 10 to 12 minute example of what the show would be.
Speaker 1:And then Still expensive, though you got to take a crew down there.
Speaker 2:So I have watershed motion pictures in my company that I have three partners in, so my stuff from three guys. Okay, oh you remember Cliff Young from Cayman's Call? Yeah, he's my best friend Cliff, and Daniel, yeah, oh my gosh, my best friend. I've been with Dr Young for years.
Speaker 3:I went to Second Baptist when I lived in Houston for a couple months.
Speaker 1:I just went to the reunion show a while back, yeah, at the Rhyme, and I was there.
Speaker 3:I went, I went and so he's one of the guys, he's one of the partners, okay.
Speaker 2:Anyway, so we have a company that we then, you know, we have close facility, we have editing bays, we have cameras and blah, blah blah. So we went and shot a sizzle, okay, and used that to basically pitch to networks and streamers.
Speaker 1:And then they it's like a demo, they do funding. Like once they see the sizzle, they're like yeah Well they buy it, they buy it.
Speaker 3:And then you have the money to make it. Then you have the money to make it.
Speaker 2:Okay, exactly.
Speaker 3:So it's kind of like an advance.
Speaker 1:It is, but you have to take the risk on the sizzle that they're going to.
Speaker 3:Yeah, how much does a sizzle cost?
Speaker 2:Oh man, it can be anywhere from. I mean, it can be nothing, because you're doing it all yourself and all your own time and you're calling favors and, to you know, give you six figures. So it's kind of like a lot of, but a lot of production is is time. Yeah. Really and obviously time, and then you know costs of things like cameras and editing and things like that. But I mean, if you're a filmmaker you can do it all. It's just your time.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 2:Yeah Right, I don't, I don't shoot, I just kind of how many camera guys, do you have? On a movie or what.
Speaker 3:Or I get the sizzle. How many did you take?
Speaker 2:Two.
Speaker 3:Two Wow.
Speaker 2:And then the entire, and then the entire show of golf and the football, all of the, all of the interviews and the, what we call the verite, which is the, the when you're in their life. True, we, I don't set up anything, I try not to I try not to get involved in what I want them to say or need them to say. I let them be real as much as possible. That's certain times when I'm like hey can, can talk about this, yeah, but like that little couple that was.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, gabby Trenise, aren't they cute?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:She's a horrible.
Speaker 1:Is she in the next season?
Speaker 3:She's in it.
Speaker 2:She's in. She's in college now, but she's is she, she's so sweet man when she got her braces off.
Speaker 3:You're like Holy crap.
Speaker 2:Different person right.
Speaker 1:She's beautiful he needs to just heat, if he's smart hey, no spoilers.
Speaker 4:If he's smart. If he's smart, lock that down. He's gonna lock that down.
Speaker 2:And I'm gonna be smart guys, oh no.
Speaker 3:He's definitely not smart with that hairdo. Who needs to get that hair?
Speaker 2:out of his eyes.
Speaker 3:So two cameras usually.
Speaker 2:And then in football games our coverage is like the season two. I had six cameras that were shooting the games.
Speaker 3:They must have loved that.
Speaker 1:And the mom that runs the dance group. She seems great. Sarah's amazing and Sarah's.
Speaker 4:I mean, I'm watching that going.
Speaker 1:There's a spin-off on.
Speaker 2:Yeah right. You know, you have to understand. I shot the sizzle when those boys were freshmen.
Speaker 4:So I've known them their entire high school career.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna be there in two weeks to go to the banquet and all the stuff and I'll be there when they graduate. But I love these kids, man, and they are like you know, ken and I have always been kind of moms and dads to many young people.
Speaker 3:You did a thing in LA, right? I mean you would have all the actor kids. We were about almost two and a half years called family dinner. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And we moved to Los Angeles because Ken I totally can, ken did really felt like we were supposed to create a community for all these young people that were aspiring and going after their dreams, because they all lead their families and we just happened to be there with ours and so, you know, because of Luke's career, we got to know so many young actors and me and every single Sunday maybe they come to our house. We started with one, maya Mitchell, we started with the fosters and gone on to be, incredible actress, australian girl.
Speaker 2:And then we grew up man guys several times when we had over 50 kids in our house and we would make homemade meals. We wouldn't order pizzas, we would. I would be grilling 50 chicken breasts and making homemade mac and cheese and whatever else, and it's day till one, two in the morning.
Speaker 4:It was just about 11 on them.
Speaker 2:It was no other. No agenda, no Bible study, no worship.
Speaker 3:It was just being there and letting on people and then the family when they're with. Yeah, how old were the kids that were?
Speaker 2:I mean, everything from our kids were. So Lucas have been about 18, from 18 to 20. So there were kids from 14, 15 to 30.
Speaker 3:Wow.
Speaker 1:That's cool, that must have been so meaningful to them. Yeah, that's you, they won't forget it.
Speaker 3:No, and your kids must have loved it, we loved it, we loved it.
Speaker 1:So when you're down there filming Godfrey Family Football, this is the school that you could have gone to, yeah.
Speaker 4:I think okay, your life would have been totally different my life
Speaker 2:would have been different going to the school. Oh my gosh, can you imagine my life? How different it would be.
Speaker 1:I mean you could end up playing Division I football?
Speaker 2:Absolutely yeah, who knows? Yeah, then you start thinking about it, I never met my wife when I had my kids.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we hold totally different. Yeah, because you met your wife on the road, I did For my dad.
Speaker 1:Yeah, one thing we share we both love basketball. But okay, so I must have been mis. I thought you were a huge Indiana basketball fan.
Speaker 2:I am. I'm not, I don't follow them as much, but I am Okay Because I was born in Indiana.
Speaker 1:Okay, I mean, we talked about Bobby Knight and all that. Yeah, yeah, who turned out? Man rough, rough, look, yeah, it did. Yeah, man Interesting, it went south pretty quick. I know, I know, I know. So you're going to get this place built in Franklin Yep, I'm not going to give you a address, and then you guys are going to keep doing like you're going to run a studio out of the bottom and yeah, I think it's.
Speaker 2:I'm completely leaving it up to my wife as to where's what she wants to do with it, because she's a coach too. She's an.
Speaker 3:Actin' coach.
Speaker 2:Incredible acting coach.
Speaker 3:Because she's done a lot of big stuff as an actress.
Speaker 2:Coach a lot of kids.
Speaker 1:What would people know her in?
Speaker 2:Well, I had a ton of like big stuff as an actress, to be honest.
Speaker 3:She's done some stuff. She's done some stuff.
Speaker 2:No, she was in a couple of Disney Channel movies. Okay, she was.
Speaker 3:She was Luke's mom actually in one of them, wasn't she?
Speaker 2:She was Dove Cameron's mom.
Speaker 3:Oh, that's what it was In Cloud Nine. Cloud Nine she.
Speaker 2:Some lifetime movies, things like that, didn't she?
Speaker 3:do. Oh, what was that? It was that Greg Keneer was in it. She was in that movie.
Speaker 2:Yeah, something the same kind of different as me, yes.
Speaker 1:I read that book and I looked like I had watched it. Actually, he probably knows the Flash. What the Flash?
Speaker 3:Oh, do you know the kid that played the Flash? No, no, he was older, he was playing younger. Was he on Glee? Wait, what was his name? I don't know his name Jordan.
Speaker 1:Jordan Fisher. I don't know.
Speaker 2:She loved him, though, because Tim Davis knows him, so it must have been Jordan, was he a black kid?
Speaker 3:No, he's a white kid. He plays the Flash. He's kind of a skinny white kid.
Speaker 1:Oh, because I texted Tim one time. I was like you know the Flash. He's like yeah, I know the Flash.
Speaker 3:Oh, my gosh Tim knows everybody too he just went up in Jennifer's world so funny.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's crazy, that's so funny that's just wrote with Summer Davis when he was out there.
Speaker 2:They wrote some songs together. Yeah, summer's great. We go to their home. They have a gathering on Sunday nights. When we're in LA, we go.
Speaker 3:Oh, do they.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I had a bit of an MS relapse this last summer. Thankfully it didn't last more than I don't know six months or something. But Tim texts me it's like hey, I want you to look into this frequency.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it could be kind of stuff 360 in Malibu.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and it really helped and she started, Jennifer's a practitioner of it. Now you do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she got her license.
Speaker 3:Well, I want to yeah, I'll work with you.
Speaker 2:I want us to be healthy, so I'm going to come to you too for health.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I do. We actually talked to the doctor at the 360. We talked to him about this and he's like, yeah, that works.
Speaker 4:Really.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he's like that works. He's like we just have kind of a heightened version of that when he is, so it helped you. It helped him within hours.
Speaker 2:Come on, Aaron.
Speaker 3:My friend you probably know, Lee Buster leave Steve's wife.
Speaker 2:I know Steve yeah.
Speaker 3:So his wife is a frequency practitioner as well. In fact she was got into it and she's like, hey, I want to send Jeremy's infrequencies. I was like, okay, whatever, you know, she's crazy. And literally within hours he could raise his arm again.
Speaker 1:Well, this thing, I couldn't move my left arm.
Speaker 3:He couldn't lift his arm up, what? And he goes I don't know what Lee's doing, but look at this. And he raised his arm up and it had been months.
Speaker 2:You couldn't raise his arm up. Yeah, I was so depressed. The guy there, that doctor we talked to, we talked to as well because we had some friends that had cancer then went there. She's been healed, or intermission or both, and he says, yeah, he can't really, he can't publicize what he does Right and you definitely can't say you're healed from him. No way no.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but it's very interesting. It's the future of medicine, for sure 100% dude, I'm so into it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm so into the regenerative stuff. Did you watch?
Speaker 1:Oppenheimer I did. She's not seen it yet.
Speaker 2:So, good.
Speaker 3:Oh, I need to watch it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's really Now, you probably will.
Speaker 3:Why.
Speaker 1:Well, because you didn't really have an interest in it.
Speaker 3:But why did you say I probably will? Because it has to do with frequency.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Do you? Well, you're the same age. You haven't said that you were really that worried about it, but I was scared to death of nuclear war when I was a kid, to where it became kind of an obsession and we were. I grew up near three mile islands, so that conversation was always the meltdown. And so when Oppenheimer came out, I was just. I mean, I've probably seen it set Seven times.
Speaker 2:What yeah have you really? I mean that's 21 hours of Oppenheimer and he's read books and you've watched documentaries?
Speaker 1:I just I've been obsessed with that Interesting Because we went I mean humanity went from we're doing horse and buggies, yeah, To being able to blow up the world.
Speaker 2:Yeah, in a matter of 80 years.
Speaker 1:That's true, and so, like man, I mean this is this is not like a peer reviewed study or anything but I personally feel like part of the problems we have with technology is because we we have not evolved enough to be able to deal with this kind of stimulation Like I. I mean I have I have like a subset of artistic clients that they're trying to figure out a way to make this world work, and sometimes I just go I'm not sure it's going to work as easy for you as it does for some people.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You know, you, you think linear, you think in a spiral and this is a linear world of perfect right angles on social media. And look you might. You might just need to forfeit that. It's going to be easy. It just might be complicated for you and you might have to take long walks in the woods. And you know, I was listening to a guy the other day said he was, he was on an airplane all day long. He's very artistic. He was on an airplane all day long and the first thing he did when he got, he got caught a Zuber in LA and when he got out of the car he just went and started hugging trees, literally because it helps him to feel more relaxed. And you were, like you're a counselor.
Speaker 1:Is that what you do now? Spiritual, I'm a spiritual director, Like when I was out in Irvine I did two years of like kind of counseling training but I don't have a license. When you say spiritual director.
Speaker 3:I don't understand it's kind of like a counselor.
Speaker 2:But you can't. Are you like under a guidance of a church or something? Is that what? No, no, your own thing, though, right.
Speaker 1:I was under a guidance of a like two clinical psychologists in. Irvine and they put me through the training.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:And then, when we moved here, I opened up a practice. But I have to really what I am as a glorified life coach. I have a lot of the same training. I do a lot of trauma recovery.
Speaker 3:He's really really good.
Speaker 2:Oh, I bet he's amazing, he's amazing.
Speaker 1:He's amazing. I mean, there is a, there is sort of like a. If you're looking at a pie chart, I feel like 30% of people are trying to make life work, like our Enneagram one. Friends who somehow efficiency, they understand it and they're just, they keep trying. I'm like you might not want to stop trying. We might need to just enter into that. This is sad.
Speaker 2:So Ken and I just had this conversation last night.
Speaker 3:Really.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean from the standpoint of similar. She was frustrated, a little bit emotional, about what am I, someone I'm supposed to do, sometimes paralyzed by our perfectionism and all the things. And so I was able to to just kind of walk her through scenarios I'm like basically, are you an entrepreneur? Here's an entrepreneur like me and myself. No, I'm not that, Absolutely You're not that. I knew that. I knew that. I said secondly, good answer Good answer.
Speaker 3:You got that right.
Speaker 2:You want to go and work in a job scenario where you have structure and do that and she's like, absolutely not. I said great, I didn't think so. You know what you are, babe, and forever I will introduce you as when people ask me what you do, you are a complete artist. She is an artist to the core. All she cares about is beauty artisan. She has to have that stimulation around her. This has been so triper, being a nomad, not having our home. She's so much of a create moment. It's create the space, aesthetics.
Speaker 1:Aesthetics.
Speaker 2:She's an HSP, Every single HSP. Highly sensitive person, every single one.
Speaker 1:Me too. I have the same, I'm the same I said yes for one.
Speaker 2:One of them is all I got, and so, talking about that, Well, I say she very much is.
Speaker 1:So Jennifer needs to spend, and this is not derogatory, but she needs to spend about 90 minutes a day in the bathtub Because it's just her and water. Because too much stimulation for her.
Speaker 2:That's how Melody Davis is, too.
Speaker 1:Well, we know, we were with Melody and Tim one night and I think they actually said well, it's time for Mel to go to bed. You guys are going to have to go.
Speaker 2:There's only Tim Cannon. Oh yeah, perfect humor, timing and everything. Yeah, and he is so funny. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1:And the most well-dressed man.
Speaker 4:Oh my gosh, I mean Impeccable taste.
Speaker 1:Beautiful, but our son is very high in aesthetics too, so if he puts on clothes in the morning and he doesn't feel like he's wearing, he's back in it Interesting.
Speaker 3:Oh, I get that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, very monochromatic.
Speaker 3:You couldn't tell. But yeah, he's very. Yeah. Do you ever go to Buck Mason? No, it's by Faraday.
Speaker 2:Yeah, buck Mesa.
Speaker 3:Buck Mason.
Speaker 2:It's up on 12th Avenue. It's a store. They got a. Yeah, it's a really cool store. Oh, you'll love it, but he worked there for a year. I mean that is that is Hutch 280.
Speaker 3:If you go in that store, you'll see.
Speaker 1:Listen, meet Hutch there, because they'll still give him his discount. Really. Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because it's I'm going to tell Gracie she's having another baby, we're having a second grandchild, we're talking names of the night. I'm going to put the throw Hutch in there.
Speaker 6:Isn't it so good? If you don't mind, yeah, I don't mind.
Speaker 1:Well, when Hutch got his car, it was all based on does this suit me? I was like and one of the first things he said when he got his car is he goes. This will look good with my hat.
Speaker 3:No, he also said. He said this will look good with a surfboard on top.
Speaker 1:And he strapped it on top. No, he did surf.
Speaker 3:He just drove around with the surfboard.
Speaker 1:even if he wasn't going surfing, he did surf but even if, yeah, he just this will go with my hat as a great wife, this will look good with my hat.
Speaker 2:He's exactly All vibe All vibe, all vibe, all vibe. You would like that.
Speaker 3:I need to hang with that you were a little baby and he would like you, you guys, would he's fun.
Speaker 1:He's a good kid yeah, I love that he's great, so did you know Hutch ever.
Speaker 2:No cause, just meeting when he every couple of times.
Speaker 3:That's true, Cause I'd yeah, I hadn't had kids yet when you were on the road.
Speaker 1:So this is one thing Hutch and I talk about a lot, because he's 20 and people are always asking him like what are you doing? Everybody wants to give him advice. I mean, he told me this morning how somebody he just had a meeting with somebody and they gave him a bunch of advice and he's thankful for it. But all so much of it has to do with what are your plans. And I just keep telling him dude, I've never had a five year plan Like you can have one if you want, but like do you have one?
Speaker 2:No, no, man Do you ever Because you know why, and part of that has been that's another part of what I was going to say the last night she's like my wife's like for her years, almost 30 years of me following my thing, going, going, going. I'm just a goer. I don't think it. If I have an idea, I'm going yeah and then okay, it doesn't work. Go to the next one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, good and bad, feel it, do it feel it, feel it Good and bad yeah.
Speaker 2:You know opportunity. I'm an opportunity at times which is to detriment times, but you know, no, I don't. If someone were to ask me, what was somebody the other day? What do you ultimately want to do? I have a dream and I would like to do.
Speaker 4:But does that change right? All the time it's changed yeah.
Speaker 2:But ultimately, I think now at 50, I kind of know who I am. I know the imposter when he raises his head and I tell him to get back down. But now I think I know for sure.
Speaker 3:Do you want to share it?
Speaker 2:No, I just, I just honestly, you know, I okay.
Speaker 3:You don't have to no. I do want to Okay.
Speaker 2:I think the book that changed my life is called Living Fearless, jamie Winship wrote.
Speaker 3:Oh, I need to read that.
Speaker 2:You have to. I've talked to a guy before I came here about it. It's all about identity and until you know who, what God calls you, meaning when you're a creator, god calls you something, something many things Like a name for you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and your identity and it's not what you call me.
Speaker 3:It's definitely not dumbass, not asshole, not dumbass.
Speaker 2:Dumbass was my nickname for a long time, right, yeah, and when you know your identity and who he calls you, then you can really operate from that space.
Speaker 3:Oh, wow.
Speaker 2:Rather than from any other thing you might think who you might think you are. So I'm not sure it sounds a little bit of a theory, but it's not. It's very practical and ultimately, going through the book, it's like you can do it in a day. It's like a day thing.
Speaker 3:Oh cool.
Speaker 2:And you get to the end and you just ask God what he calls you and you know, and.
Speaker 2:God calls me healer and I was like what does that mean? And healer, with my words, with my story calls me encourager. I love encouraging people and seeing them elevate to a place where they didn't know they could go to and or find the strength that they know they had. And then coach I love coaching people. I really, really love to allow them to believe in those so more than they did when they met me and walk away better than they were. And so those things have allowed me to know what I want to do, and it really is those identities, then surrounded by and ultimately creating content that services those things that are my gifts, and so stories and story form. So I'm Ben your question.
Speaker 1:Well, tell me, tell me if it plays out like this. Tell me, tell me if you think about this. So I I'm at totally see these things and you know what you're saying is. What I hear you saying from right is those things. They were there in little air and you're finding later in life. That's who you really are. It's not like a new thing God's given you. It's more been more of a return.
Speaker 3:You're just realizing it. Yeah, I mean, I feel like being around you has always been like if you're around, aaron, you feel like you can do anything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, inspired.
Speaker 3:I mean, it makes you feel like oh, I can do that, I can do whatever I want to do, Like you're. It's very, what's that word?
Speaker 1:Inspiring maybe.
Speaker 3:Yeah, inspiring, but it's, I don't know. Enabling I can't, I can't think of it.
Speaker 1:Encouraging.
Speaker 3:No Keep going Keep going. It's not it Empowering. There you go, Empowering. Maybe Empowering's the one that was the one. Are you crying. No, I keep thinking like intoxicating.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I wish she was Aaron's the first person to make Jennifer cry on the podcast. I'm just so angry. I just can't. I don't even know, I'm on a lot of muscle relax today. I love it, I love that yeah. She's got a bad back, and so I'm not, just not.
Speaker 3:You need to go to my mom.
Speaker 2:You know, if you've been to my mom, she's the best massage therapist in the world.
Speaker 3:Ooh, and she's here. You have a mom.
Speaker 2:That's a mess, that is wonderful, she does the tightest, she's everybody.
Speaker 3:Does she how nice she's in?
Speaker 2:a. How nice to have a. You gotta go.
Speaker 3:Okay, I was just thinking about this this morning. People I need to be friends with in my life and have relatives that are a doctor, a dentist, a massage therapist would be great.
Speaker 2:My mom was amazing yeah.
Speaker 3:I mean, how great would that be, Cause you get all that for free. A hairdresser, which I have, a niece that's a hairdresser that doesn't do my hair, that's good.
Speaker 1:You have 10 grand on your body and you had to, like someone said, here's 10 grand, but you have to spend it on your body, would you?
Speaker 2:do? I'd go to a fountain life, which is a like. There's Tony Tony Robbins. Oh yeah, I'm really. I've read life force. I'm a part of life force.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay, take my blood every three months. I don't know I was just wondering.
Speaker 1:you don't know what you're talking about. You're like drinking baby's blood and stuff.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, no, I don't know I'm drinking chrome and I know really Wilson, really well, are you sure? Are you sure?
Speaker 3:Well, she doesn't, but Tom does. We all know.
Speaker 2:That's so funny. Um fountain life. I go and get a full body MRI deal and look at every single crevice moment inside of me.
Speaker 3:Oh, you do you, you are way into it. You would love what I'm doing. Yeah, you got to get into what I'm doing.
Speaker 2:I would totally do that in case, there was a little something, oh, you might want to watch out. Are we going to get up? That's what I want to do.
Speaker 1:That's funny, I'm going to.
Speaker 2:There's one in Nashville. You know, you know, you know of one.
Speaker 3:Oh, wait, wait, wait.
Speaker 2:A little MRI thing, we did it.
Speaker 3:We did it.
Speaker 1:I mean, she was actually a little disappointed because she came up, completely it was clean.
Speaker 2:I was like did they see this stuff going on in your body through that?
Speaker 3:or whatever. No, it was it was mostly just a CT scan yeah.
Speaker 1:It was not. I mean, I have MRIs a lot, so I mean, but we're just brain MRI, but you're when you're talking about.
Speaker 3:it's not an MRI you're getting. You're probably getting a CT scan.
Speaker 2:I want the whatever yeah, so you can do you can join body scan.
Speaker 3:I think it's called our craft body scan, that's what it is. Anyway, they were running a deal. We got two for something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was just a section of it, but you, you sign up and you get them once a year for the next time.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you can get. You can buy like a pack.
Speaker 1:So that's what you. You wouldn't do any surgery, teeth, nothing like that, no, no, no. If you had to do something, well, look at you, you don't need it. Oh, shut up.
Speaker 3:No, if you had to, if somebody would have said, look, you've got to spend this on oh something physical.
Speaker 2:I had to like change something about myself Like a boob job or something? A boob job? I don't know what I do. That change of make sure I didn't. I mean Hair.
Speaker 1:I mean I'm not going to be thinning up here, I think I was taking a little pill thing to help follicle, whatever stimulation. Yeah, probably that, I guess, all right.
Speaker 3:There you go Are you did we talk about yours? We talked about this with somebody, but we didn't ask him what do you got Drew?
Speaker 1:10 grand. That doesn't get you much it doesn't it gets your boobs taken off. I mean, I would have that Breast reduction.
Speaker 3:Yeah, breast reduction.
Speaker 1:Man boobs. Oh, you've not seen me with my shirt off. My kids. Only Jennifer Diabler sees me with my shirt off and I'm okay with it. I don't even like my kids to see me with my shirt off because they laugh. My kids laugh and shame me with my shirt off. She wants you to get the belt removed.
Speaker 3:No, I don't even She'd probably go man boobs Probably. Mine has changed over the years, but I probably would get some stuff taken off.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I could see that yeah.
Speaker 3:I get this.
Speaker 1:This is getting bad, this wobbly thing.
Speaker 3:I think I'm quite there, yet If I were getting like if I were getting anything, I definitely would get the neck deal than that, because I think that's actually pretty cheap. The lifestyle.
Speaker 1:A lot of dudes are getting calf implants. It's a big deal.
Speaker 3:You don't need those babe.
Speaker 1:No, what the hell oh big time.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's a big thing, it's huge.
Speaker 2:That's so weird. Yeah, calf and breasts, are they?
Speaker 1:most of the gay guys.
Speaker 2:Well, I don't know.
Speaker 1:I mean the one personally I know is well, he's not gay, I don't think.
Speaker 3:I think he might be, but we just it's not out yet. She would know.
Speaker 1:That's so true.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't know if he's gay if he hit on me.
Speaker 1:Yeah. All right man, we're trying to keep these.
Speaker 2:That's an interesting thing real quick. We wrap up. Yeah, do it. How much longer we got.
Speaker 3:We're already over. We're already over Certain times Is the light blinking.
Speaker 1:I wish I would shut it down person.
Speaker 2:I want to do a project called God and the Gay.
Speaker 1:Christian the Matthew Vines. Have you read it?
Speaker 4:Oh yeah, oh, do you know, matthew?
Speaker 1:I don't know him, but the book is amazing, it's amazing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, it's amazing. I've read it some.
Speaker 1:I know, okay, he had Pete Enzo's, had him on several times.
Speaker 2:It's an amazing book, yeah that's great and I want to bring people around it, you know, instead of there's so much hate and division and oh yeah, I'm hoping I can get that off the ground yeah.
Speaker 4:One of my next things.
Speaker 1:I'm with you. I mean, I think it's it's time to have the conversation.
Speaker 4:Come on.
Speaker 1:I mean we're going to have to start saying we're sorry, I mean it's. I mean although One caveat I have is we, the Starbucks people, have got to figure out how to telegraph better what lane they're in, because I keep going up to. I mean I've had this happen where I go up and I'm like, hey man, I'll take this, and then I look longer and I'm like, oh crap, I don't know. Oh really. It's your name's Jamie and you kind of have a beard, but you've also got fingernails. I'm like what are
Speaker 1:we doing here?
Speaker 2:I'm not going that far.
Speaker 3:I'm not either.
Speaker 2:I'm just going to say what I.
Speaker 3:I can't handle.
Speaker 2:I can't handle what they are. Whatever, I'm not worried about that.
Speaker 3:Listen, I'm tired of that.
Speaker 2:I'm tired of that. I'm talking about the same sex attraction. That seemingly is when they're born, and talking about that and how the church is said they can't be a Christian. Yeah, and be that way. When I'm done with it, nobody will know what I believe. It's not about what I believe.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's about you, just want to put the story on it together and bring around the dialogue from people that I know at the highest level who are Christians and are gay. Some one of my really like a family member was married to his husband and now a celibate no longer because of what he has to see and he's gay. Others who were married and have children, as you guys probably know too, they are now gay and everything in between. And let's go, let's talk about this, let's go into these lives and talk about the journeys and really I love what Matthew's doing, because what he's doing is trying to create an environment in church for those who desire it to be inclusive of period.
Speaker 3:But these men putting on women face, I'm done.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm not talking about that.
Speaker 3:I'm done with that.
Speaker 2:That's a topic.
Speaker 3:We don't do blackface, we shouldn't do women face.
Speaker 1:Come on, there goes our trans listeners.
Speaker 3:Well, you should have been gone a long time ago, probably because I'm sure.
Speaker 4:I've said something. The rest of the Dixon trans listeners and Uzbekistan people.
Speaker 3:they're done.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the trans community in.
Speaker 3:Dixon.
Speaker 1:Tennessee Gosh, they just turned around. We are canceled completely. But no, I think you're so right. There's, here's the thing. You can think whatever you want about the gay community, but you start to know them and it changes the whole makeup up. That's right, because that's when you actually have to go. I love you, I get you, I don't care.
Speaker 2:I mean it goes back to the very beginning, how we started this off, the first question you asked me Hell and all that I we're going to know when we get there and whatever, all I want to do, what I ultimately, and I'll leave you with this How's this, jeremy?
Speaker 4:And then you're going to pray. I'll actually take an offer for myself.
Speaker 2:Love offering Is that you know, so much of what way I grew up in church was based upon the future, when we're dead, yes, and I got to a place where I get that. Okay, nobody knows anyway, so quit talking about something you don't know John H, he does.
Speaker 2:And let's go on the words of Christ when he said I've come that you might have a life Now, the fullest Now, and the kingdom of God he brought here. We're an eternity now. And so quit taking. My wife says it great, she goes. So often people take scraps on the floor where dogs eat, when they have a banquet table. That's great In this life that they can have and all it takes is surrendering yourself, surrendering your will, surrendering him and being humble and going.
Speaker 6:I don't it's the one for fun Next to none. It's always Coca-Cola. It's the way we laugh, it's the way we love, it's the only week we're thinking of. It's the one for fun Next to none. It's always Coca-Cola, coca-cola, yeah.
Speaker 2:We'll end right there.
Speaker 1:He's producing.
Speaker 2:Boom.
Speaker 1:Done. That's a great place to end, but I'm going to add to it.
Speaker 3:Last word.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's my podcast.
Speaker 3:It's his gospel, I think I told you back when we were touring.
Speaker 1:Oh, it's my tour. Yeah, you did, you totally did.
Speaker 1:So we have a friend out in California who we knew him when he was married to his wife and they were fun and lovely and of course I didn't ever pick up on it. Jennifer was pretty sure he was gay but I was like, well, he's married. Anyway, they got divorced, he's married now to his husband and we were sitting in Orange County one day and we started you know, I'd never lived in the same town as him, so we're like let's get a regular kind of thing. And he was really worried he goes. I'm worried about our relationship because you know about how you feel about this. And I was like, well, is it okay that I don't really think about it and he goes? Well, kind of. But I kind of feel like you're and I was like, listen, I completely trust you with your spiritual journey. I really I care about you but I don't care about this, that's right. And he said, I said, is that okay? He goes. It actually is.
Speaker 2:I love that and he was fine.
Speaker 1:He just wanted to make sure that I wasn't going. I love you except Because he's so used to it. Well he was a worship pastor.
Speaker 2:He's so used to be, probably haven't been on the other side and posing as a pastor right In his church, probably maybe at times. And, yeah, man, it's like let's just stop posing, let's just stop being. The way of integrity is a fantastic book. It's not a Christian book, it's on Oprah's bestselling list and it's just about what integrity means and it comes from the root word integer and whole, whole number, and it's just really impacting me because there are areas in my life that were not integrists, not because I was stealing or cheating or whatever, but because my spirit, my mind and my body were not doing the same thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah that's good.
Speaker 1:That's funny. That's what I, my whole metaphor for soul care is. Jesus said love the Lord with your heart, soul, mind and strength, and most of us are in pain because those aren't integrated. That's so good, jesus said. I mean, when Jesus prayed he was like God. I want them to be one.
Speaker 2:Like we are one, like you are, yeah, one whole number.
Speaker 1:All right man. He gave us our first explicit, like we now have.
Speaker 2:Oh am I the first F-bomb.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's awesome.
Speaker 2:You are Well done. I love being a first.
Speaker 3:I can't Really.
Speaker 1:I wouldn't have known that about you All right, everybody, see you next week.
Speaker 3:Stay fresh cheesebags.