The Gospel According to Jeromy
Welcome to "The Gospel According to Jeromy" podcast, where faith, humor, and heartfelt stories collide in a lively conversation about life, love, and everything in between. Join your host Jeromy Deibler, along with co-hosts Jennifer Deibler and Drew Powell, as they share the Dieblers journey from being the acclaimed Christian band FFH to their current path in spiritual direction.
In this engaging and candid podcast, Jeromy, Jennifer, and Drew offer a unique blend of perspectives on spirituality, mental health, emotional well-being, and personal growth. Drawing from their extensive experiences on the road and life's ups and downs, they explore the joys and challenges of faith, all while sprinkling in some humor along the way.
Get ready for spirited debates, deep dives into controversial thoughts, and heartwarming memories as they invite you into their world of faith, questions, and spiritual exploration. Whether you're a longtime believer, a spiritual seeker, or simply someone looking for meaningful conversations, "The Gospel According to Jeromy" podcast has something for everyone.
Tune in to join the conversation, laugh, learn, and be inspired as Jeromy, Jennifer, and Drew navigate the twists and turns of life's spiritual journey. It's a podcast that's as diverse as their experiences and as authentic as their hearts. Subscribe today and embark on a captivating exploration of faith, laughter, and the adventure of the human spirit.
The Gospel According to Jeromy
Mistakes and Disqualification
Navigating the chaotic dance of parenthood, we waltz into tales of teen formals and the humorous, yet sometimes awkward, world of family nicknames. Remember the first time you held a baby car mirror and saw your little one's reflection? Well, that mirror now reflects teenagers ready for their first dates, and oh boy, are there stories to tell! From setting boundaries to the tender moments before a daughter steps out on her first date, we share a slice of life that every parent can relate to. And if you think that's all, there's more: we admit our secret love for the simple pleasure of an afternoon nap amidst the bustle of our lives.
Ever find yourself chuckling over the unexpected surprises in marriage, like those indirect bedtime requests from your spouse? This episode isn't shy about diving into those personal moments, from the consequences of a meal at Hooligans to the thrill of getting a library card and rediscovering the joy of reading. We even take you on a trip to Orlando, complete with electric car adventures and art hotel experiences. Plus, we have a gripping tale of a medical emergency on a plane—a stark reminder of the dramas that can unfold thousands of feet in the air.
Finally, we wrap things up with a reflection on the signs we wish we could hold up for our younger selves. We turn the pages of our past, acknowledging the lessons learned from mistakes and regrets, and celebrate the humor and growth that come from them. From the touching impact of our music on fans to the aspirations for future live podcast events, we unravel the threads of our journey, offering a mirror to your own life stories. So, come along and join us for an episode that's as much about finding levity in the everyday as it is about embracing the bittersweet passage of time in the tapestry of family life.
oh, a mirror would be good, like a like for the back seat of a car, for a baby.
Speaker 3:I can see it in my old tv, that's oh yeah, are you letting your old, your older daughters date, don't they?
Speaker 2:yeah and it's no, they're allowed to, but they don't okay yeah, no, I mean she's 19, I mean I was married at her age 19, oh wait what? About that wild number two, number two we don't call her that right, but does she go?
Speaker 1:number two let's see here I go iie See here I go. I hate myself, I hate why.
Speaker 2:It always goes to potty talk, and you're the one that brings it in, not us.
Speaker 1:It's so dumb. When I hear any of this, I'm like, okay, I'm disgusting.
Speaker 3:Welcome to the Gospel, according to Jeremy everyone, which we're going to get to. A little bit more about that name in just a second, because I've spent some time with my family and I've been thinking about it. I'm here with drew powell, friend and producer, and jennifer dibler, friend and wife can I say something?
Speaker 1:yeah, is that whole thing I just said about myself going to be on there? Probably the reason I said the number two thing is because of you and your wife not doing any bodily functions in front of each other right.
Speaker 2:That's why you pee in front of each other, though. Uh, yeah, yeah, okay okay, that's why I said that we're just that's a, that's just like a private area, oh number two I'm with you number two is yeah, like the little rooms, for the number two is the best thing you got an outhouse in the house.
Speaker 1:I just feel like I have to um explain myself a little bit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's fine, um so my listeners are used to it by now. I.
Speaker 1:I know, but I hate it about myself.
Speaker 3:My daughter, our daughter, sadie Claire, is going to two different formals this year and she went last year too and they went as groups. And formal number two while we were out of town she got asked by a boy and I didn't think much about it, and now there's a dinner and I'm not ready and she's.
Speaker 2:are you allowed to say how old she is? Yeah, no, she's 16.
Speaker 3:And I just don't know if I'm ready.
Speaker 1:We don't tell her age.
Speaker 2:Why wouldn't we tell her age? I don't know. Some people are worried about that stuff. Well, yeah, I mean, that's a big deal. I've never had to deal with that. My girls have not. I mean, they're wonderful, they're beautiful smart. They're not on Snapchat, which is supposedly where most of the stuff goes down. I'm just kidding, right.
Speaker 3:No, we're not going to go there.
Speaker 1:We're not going there, right? No, we're not going to go there, we're not going there Nobody lost it on that one that was hilarious, you did lose it. I couldn't even bring myself. I just thought.
Speaker 2:Your innocence around. That was hilarious.
Speaker 1:Which is I know we just talked about how I always you might want to pull.
Speaker 3:No, you're buttoned. But just yeah, you're good, it's fine.
Speaker 1:Okay, you're fine, you're fine. Okay, not self-conscious at all now, I don't know.
Speaker 3:By the way, we're again recording in the afternoon and I, man, this is my sleepy time.
Speaker 2:I took a little nap before I came over. Oh, you're lucky.
Speaker 3:I'm doing that next time. I'm going to schedule in a little bit. I had a two and a half hour client this morning and it was great. You know she's fun. It wasn't deep, um, but still I mean I am yeah, I feel like last week's you were not yourself I really was tired yeah, you and you were kind of fussy I was a little grumpy.
Speaker 3:I'm not, yeah, I'm not gonna lie. Uh, I mean, and look, it was good that we had ariel, because you guys talked a lot, yeah, um, and the way, if you haven't listened to that episode, it was really interesting. She is a big deal, she's a smart lady.
Speaker 2:Well it was awesome, because it's changed my life, because I've now started reading nonfiction from that episode.
Speaker 1:Okay, how do you like?
Speaker 2:it, love it Good Like her whole like four E's escape entertain, I forget the other two.
Speaker 1:Edify.
Speaker 2:Edify encourage? I don't know. Yeah, I was only the third and fourth one. I never read for entertainment or for escape and I was like I wonder what that'd be like. I felt like I was missing out. Yeah, so I went and got a library card First time Library card, how about it? And we got a great library and we have a great library. I've never been in it before and what do they have in?
Speaker 3:there Because I would love the books.
Speaker 1:And I got the author that she told me remember she gave me author recommendations.
Speaker 2:And I'm reading one now. I forget the title of it, but I love it. I can't like I look forward to the next time I sit down and read. It Isn't?
Speaker 1:that nice.
Speaker 2:So yeah, I've got like four or five books.
Speaker 1:I always read before bed and I look forward to going to bed and reading. I'm like, oh, what's happening?
Speaker 3:Man, if I read before bed, I'd have to the next day reread. Yeah.
Speaker 2:We did, Jamie and I did that last night. We both were reading before bed yeah. But it was awesome.
Speaker 1:But did you have reading glasses on? No See, I've gotten to the point where I need two pairs.
Speaker 3:She does.
Speaker 1:She goes to sleep with two pair of Two pairs of reading glasses, so it's bad.
Speaker 3:I noticed last night too. There's something I noticed about her last night that when she wants me to do something, she asks it in the form of a certain question. So last night she goes. Are you planning to turn your light off soon, which meant turn your light off?
Speaker 1:You mean turn your dang light off.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Well, no, but okay.
Speaker 2:Jamie does that too. The first, probably 15 years of our marriage I stayed up later than her. Now she stays up way later than me and I go to bed earlier, so it's flip-flop, but in the early years it was. Are you going to be turning the TV off soon? Which?
Speaker 3:meant turn the TV off.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but now she watches it till late. That's funny and I never asked that question.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, I mean, he'd always fall asleep on the couch early, early, early. And now he's up the same time as me ruins my whole night.
Speaker 3:You're also up pretty early you come trotting down the stairs and I'm like, oh you trot down the stairs I trot, I'm not to trot she tries to get some sun first thing in the morning I like to get sun in my eyeballs she comes. She comes down, talks for a minute, goes out and gets some sun, um. So, speaking of sun, we were just in your your neck of the woods.
Speaker 2:So we went to hooligans. I can't wait. We had the wings. What?
Speaker 1:did you think they were delish they?
Speaker 2:were. You're not just saying that no, no, they're top three, they were they were about it, I mean yeah they, they were worth the hype.
Speaker 1:Did you get you remember? We did exactly what you said we, we, we actually.
Speaker 3:I read your order too, the Wally Okay what is it?
Speaker 1:Tell it it's kind of an ant, it's a Wally wet, yeah, but then also baked at the end?
Speaker 2:Well, they're grilled, grilled.
Speaker 1:Grilled.
Speaker 2:So what they do is the process of grilling them. They still fry them a little bit, but then they grill them, but then I get them wet, because then they come out sometimes they come out too I like it to be saucy.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, I like the sauce. They were great. I mean, they were worth it.
Speaker 2:However, you texted us sort of as we were eating them yeah oh, like, buckle up, it's coming yeah, I didn't want to tell you that on the front end.
Speaker 1:I feel like he told us that after we left there because we were like they were delicious.
Speaker 3:He's like oh, hang on we drove from the gift that keeps on giving Hooligans.
Speaker 1:which is where is it like we were in Orange Beach, port Orange or something. Were you in Port Orange, port Orange, yeah.
Speaker 3:And by the time we got to Smyrna Beach I was like, hey, I'm going to need to get to a hotel here real quick.
Speaker 2:Or something, or something. Did you have the blue cheese or ranch with it?
Speaker 3:Ranch and then I got a salad with the hooligan's chicken on it and she got soup and man.
Speaker 1:Soup was good.
Speaker 3:That hotel bathroom is probably still thinking about me. They had to repaint it. I mean, it was something. But then I felt great.
Speaker 1:Well, because doing the potty humor, not me.
Speaker 3:It's not even funny.
Speaker 1:No, and then? I told her and she's like I'm actually feeling good and we got to the hotel and then I texted yeah, you were like, there it is, there I am. And I was like, oh see, well, it's part of the process of going there.
Speaker 2:There's something in the ingredient, whatever. Every time I made the mistake, when I was younger, of planning a massage right after I ate the wings.
Speaker 1:Oh, that was dumb.
Speaker 2:And the whole time Were you giving the massage or getting it? I was receiving.
Speaker 1:Oh, but it was no, you can't relax, I could not relax. You're trying to hold stuff in the whole time, every time she'd push on my back or whatever.
Speaker 2:I just was puckered the whole time.
Speaker 1:Yes, you're squeezing.
Speaker 2:So I don't. When I go to hooligans, I don't plan anything for after hooligans. Yeah, that's smart.
Speaker 1:I go straight home, okay.
Speaker 3:But what so? One of my new favorite places Like and this is so weird, we have been all over Florida.
Speaker 1:I can't believe.
Speaker 3:We thought We'd never been to New Smyrna Beach, cool little town.
Speaker 1:Man, don't tell people that.
Speaker 2:Why.
Speaker 1:Cause. Let's keep it on the down low, okay Right right.
Speaker 3:It's grown a lot, though Not like there's not that many people who listen to this, but Well, our New Smy in a beach audience is going to be like just double shut up exactly, but we had a great day there, and then we watched the rocket launch oh, that's cool from the fish jb fish mart, fish camp, yeah, fish camp which was not great really I mean if you would have told me ahead of time.
Speaker 2:I would have told you have to go to the deck down under what the heck is that? It's. It's a restaurant underneath the port orange bridge. That's seafood, that is amazing. Okay, well, jb's heck is that it's. It's a restaurant underneath the port orange bridge. That's seafood, that is amazing okay, well, jb's fish camp is.
Speaker 1:It's been around there forever well, you can tell it's like a. It's a place that people go and the dolphins were playing in the water yeah, I mean, it was cool new samaritan school.
Speaker 2:When I grew up, new samaritan was, it was like country, there was nothing going on out there, and now it's it's a cool spot.
Speaker 1:It was absolutely cool it's kind this is going to be kind of like when kathy lee gifford would go on the today show and talk about franklin oh, it is the same exact same, because jennifer went to new smyrna beach the diablo. Now a gospel according, and now everybody's going to go there it's just like kathy lee part of the gospel according franklin when she was on the today show, she would come here on the weekends and so she'd go on the today show and be like my Franklin. I'm going, you know, and everybody here was like shut up.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, that's what happened. So you just ruined New Smyrna beach.
Speaker 1:It's pretty much the same same amount of people.
Speaker 2:You guys were staying in.
Speaker 3:Maitland, though. Right, we were in Maitland for three days at this great little church called anchor church, and they had us come for a couple of events. And then as this is going to sound crazy, but we have not been away alone together without our kids for a decade and I ended up telling my friends there in Maitland, and he called me the next day and said hey, we're going to do something for you guys. There's a hotel here called the.
Speaker 1:Alphond.
Speaker 3:Oh, my word it's in.
Speaker 1:Winter Park which, oh my gosh, I'd never been there either we thought we'd been all over Florida. Never been there and it was gorgeous.
Speaker 2:Winter Park's the best part of Orlando-ish yeah it is. Orlando's kind of a drag but Winter Park you gotta go to Disney or you gotta go to Winter Park.
Speaker 1:I actually really like Orlando, I always have. I mean, it went through a big slump.
Speaker 2:What do you like about it? I4? No.
Speaker 1:No, I don't like I4. But I mean, there's so much to do.
Speaker 3:And they try hard with the bridges and the decorations and it's fun.
Speaker 1:It's pretty. I mean, when they do something, they do it pretty good, you know, like their shopping centers and I don't know. I just feel like there's a lot to do mall. Millennia we've been there mall, but I mean the new little like strip areas, like strip not strip area.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I love those spots well we're obviously going to different places but I feel like I don't know. You're an hour from the beach, yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean, I don't know, I really like it.
Speaker 3:And you know as hot as it is in Florida. There's kind of a different breeze there than there is here. But the hotel we spent two days just sort of doing nothing.
Speaker 1:It's a hotel. Slash art gallery.
Speaker 3:Yeah, doing nothing. It's a hotel slash art gallery.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh, wow. So I mean just amazing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's really cool. So thank you to our friends in orlando it was it was memorable you guys have a good time. We did, we had a great time like each other barely, we're hanging by a thread well, it seemed like did we get done at the end uh, I don't know that we got.
Speaker 1:I don't know it was fine. We had a good time I think we had different ideas what we want to do. He wanted to try and figure out he really wanted to figure out a way to stay at that all fond hotel another night. Oh, yeah, but I mean, I didn't stress and I was like, let's just move on where did you go after that? We had to go be by the airport because I had to be at the airport early the next day, got it.
Speaker 3:Got it, got it. We did rent, okay. So I just rented us an economy whatever, and she upgraded us to an electric car, which was really fun. You always get upgraded. I really do, that's your thing, I mean. I yeah, I mean, it's like a favor kind of thing, favoring fair.
Speaker 1:AKA manipulation kind of thing um favoring fair aka manipulation. I did not manipulate.
Speaker 3:So yeah, so it was. We had a great time. And then, uh, it was funny, the so I drove the electric car for a minute. I said you really got to drive this so fun, so fast. And uh, then, on the way home from new smyrna back to orlando, she and we got there in about three minutes. We got on the highway and I punched it and I'm talking.
Speaker 1:within just no time I was at 100.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was super fun, that's awesome.
Speaker 2:I used to think that was so far to drive from Daytona Beach to Orlando.
Speaker 3:Everybody welcome back to the Gospel, According to Jeremy.
Speaker 1:If you've been J-Lo can't be trusted. I can't be. Good thing you're here.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the video's just starting. For those of you who watch it on YouTube, you missed about 14 minutes of content because one of the cameras wasn't rolling.
Speaker 1:We're not going to say which one.
Speaker 2:I think we're now, I think it's clear at this point.
Speaker 3:Whose camera wasn't running.
Speaker 2:Well, it's not important. It sure should have. It's not important.
Speaker 3:So just to bring you up to speed, if you're just watching, we were talking about how great Orlando is And-.
Speaker 1:Orlando.
Speaker 3:I was just there and you also, but you also missed some number two content.
Speaker 2:You missed Jennifer's apology. You just have to go listen. We're gonna keep it On the audio. You have to go listen. You have to listen to the audio Because Jennifer did A blanket apology For some of her Past transgressions. You know Orlando Is famous for some Great talent Over the years too. Is that true O-Town?
Speaker 1:What is O-Town?
Speaker 2:NSYNC Backstreet Boys.
Speaker 1:They all came from Orlando. What is O-Town?
Speaker 2:O-Town was a boy band named after the town.
Speaker 1:Okay, o-town never made it. I'm sorry, o-town, to tell you they made it. Were you in O-Town?
Speaker 3:Our listeners know O-Town, If they know McGee I was in it. They were great out.
Speaker 1:they made it, they were huge otown was yeah, what song?
Speaker 2:what they did have?
Speaker 3:they had a couple big songs so, um, so we left orlando, uh, and I, uh sort of pig, I pigged it. Here we go technology it's a little. You know we need A clue. Well, we just need someone who kind of roam and check these cameras.
Speaker 1:We need a roamer Sadie's in her room.
Speaker 3:We need an intern. We need an intern If you would like to apply for the internship.
Speaker 1:It's not paid. Go to interns app.
Speaker 3:You'll probably sleep in one of the beds right behind Drew, right over here. Look here. Oh, you're going to live here. That's your spot. It's a live-in internship. It's a live-in internship. It's a full-time internship. They're going to do a little bit of stuff around the house, yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh, we do. It's unpaid internship.
Speaker 1:let's be clear, right but you get to be in Franklin. Let's say it one more time it's unpaid.
Speaker 2:What an opportunity. I would do it, so I dropped her off Free room on board.
Speaker 3:I dropped her off at the airport.
Speaker 1:Free room. I don't know about the board In Orlando, then I went up to the Sanford airport and by that time, all of this tornado weather had moved in.
Speaker 3:So I, we don't like to fly together because I was at the sanford airport flying to another location, yeah, so I won't see my mom for a couple days, and you guys, uh, on monday, just this, when I came back on monday, um, I got, we got on the plane and uh we're, I was flying allegiant because they they do a like a quick hop from harrisburg to are you gonna tell what happened on the way to Harrisburg? Well, I wasn't going to. I mean, what did happen?
Speaker 1:You were stuck at the airport for 13 hours.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that was a bummer, that's something.
Speaker 1:I mean. All this weather came through. That's something to say she got out.
Speaker 3:I got out before the weather, but all this weather came through and people were fussy 13 hours.
Speaker 1:If it was somewhere, I would be very fussy.
Speaker 3:I mean, I just sat there and read.
Speaker 1:Oh, you're so holy. Well, there's nothing. Lots of movies. What are you going to do? I mean, I just sat there and read Get an Uber and go somewhere. Like I told you like a thousand times, why don't you go somewhere?
Speaker 3:I know, but it was pouring down rain the whole time yes.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:The Sanford Airport? No, no, they have restaurants or anything like that it was closed.
Speaker 3:And a lot of people must have been from there.
Speaker 2:So when they realized their flight wasn't?
Speaker 3:they just left and went home. But anyways, on the way back on Monday we got in the plane and the plane was not crowded at all. So right as they shut the doors, they said look, everybody, if you want to move around, you can. And so I was thinking well, we're going to get in early, I'm going to go up to the front.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you were going to get in 45 minutes early. So we got up to our cruising altitude, which is whatever like 35,000 feet, and they were bringing around the drinks and stuff and I started to kind of see this, the flight attendants kind of like starting to get a little serious. And then the one of them came on and said if there's a medical personnel, please ring your call button.
Speaker 3:oh, and of course everybody's kind of looking back to the back because all the flight attendants went to the back and, uh, this one woman got up, she was a nurse and she went to the back and we were all everybody's just kind of like what is going on and the flight attendants kept coming, you know, from the front to the back and we were all everybody's just kind of like what is going on.
Speaker 3:And the flight attendants kept coming, you know, from the front to the back getting stuff. They came up, got the oxygen canister out of the overhead, ran back and then the one flight attendant had to stay up there and she kept talking to the pilot. Like I was like man, what's going on back there? And then one of them came up and got the red thing with the heart on it.
Speaker 2:Oh, no, yeah, it's got serious the shocker.
Speaker 1:Yeah, does it have a lightning bolt on it too? Yes, it does.
Speaker 3:With the heart, with the lightning through it, and we were all like no man you get the heart with the lightning through it.
Speaker 1:Is that serious?
Speaker 3:And then we just heard the pilot came on one time and he said we're landing. Those pilot came on one time and he said we're landing. Those were his words, we're landing. And uh, we landed. So fast, like I told her, it was like a cartoon. We went now your destination, no, no, we went nose down, and we, I mean not straight down but it felt like it yeah and within like 10 or 15 minutes we were on the runway and he did not.
Speaker 3:It was not like put on the brakes, like the engines were still as we got to the thing and so, but by the time we got close to the ground we could all use our phones and my mom, who had booked my flight, was getting alerts. And she got one said why are you in pittsburgh? And I was like I don't know, but somebody's sick on the plane. Um, I didn't even know we were in pittsburgh and I was like I don't know, but somebody's sick on the plane. Um, I didn't even know we were in pittsburgh and uh, they didn't even tell you where you landed.
Speaker 1:No, the flight attendants didn't even know.
Speaker 3:No they just set it down where the flight attendants didn't know until they opened the door and the flight attendant asked like one of the. The paramedics came in and went right to the back and one of the flight attendants said where are we? And they said you're in pittsburgh. Um, and these flight attendants, guys, they were great, I mean they were amazing, but I mean they looked so young, it was. It seriously was the four youngest flight. I even thought before we took off. These flight attendants are in high school I mean, one had braces.
Speaker 1:Did you say she had rubber bands? On her braces and rubber bands. She was 15. I think.
Speaker 2:Allegiant's like one of your starter.
Speaker 3:Oh, surely yeah, you don't stay in Allegiant forever, it's a stepping stone to one of the it is JV, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like, this is the JV Pan.
Speaker 1:Am Like the olden days, the fancy.
Speaker 3:Not literally, but this guy, he. So the paramedics went to the back and I mean like 10 or 15 minutes later, the kid when I say kid, he was not much older than like 25. He walked off.
Speaker 1:But didn't they also ask for someone who speaks French?
Speaker 3:Yes, the guy could not speak English. What was wrong with him? Okay, so I'll tell you. So, anyways.
Speaker 1:You got to talk to the nurse later.
Speaker 3:Later. So we eventually did take back off, go to Nashville. We had to get fuel and they actually had like an HR person come in and talk to all the flight attendants, because one of them who was in charge back there was. You could tell she was shook, but she stayed on. We got to Nashville, we had to take the little shuttle bus back to the terminal and I ended up riding with the nurse who was from mount joy, pennsylvania. So oh yeah, so I you know we're.
Speaker 3:I don't know why we're saying that well, she ended up knowing, and one of my aunts and anyways, I said so did. Was it real? Did the? I mean she goes? Yeah, his heart stopped for a minute. I have no idea what happened. We could not. He went to the back, opened the bathroom opened the bathroom door vomited a whole bunch of blood and passed out.
Speaker 3:Wow, that's never good. When she got back there though, by the time she got back there he had kind of come to and they sat him in a seat, they put oxygen on him and she said his blood or his, uh, heart?
Speaker 3:rate was up and down, up and down. She said it would spike and it would go low. And then she said I couldn't find a pulse. I said how long do you think it was? She said probably a minute. That's why I said you gotta land. And he said so. They shocked him and he, she said it was so weird. We shocked him and he stood up and he started kind of fighting me. He didn't really know what was going on, wow. And then I sat him back down and he said we landed and eventually he was able to walk off. That's wild.
Speaker 1:Isn't that crazy, it's crazy.
Speaker 3:Never been on a flight like that. I always wondered what happens if you have a heart attack on a plane.
Speaker 1:Can you imagine your heart stops for a minute? You're dead. A full minute full one minute you're dead, and then you walk off the plane well, that's what I told the lady.
Speaker 3:He almost died and she goes well, he kind of did die. Uh, she said she's, she's. I've been a nurse for 25 years. I'd never seen that before like so that was it was exciting drama man it was scary.
Speaker 1:She thought it was a clot right.
Speaker 3:Well, I mean she, she had told somebody else, you know, maybe he had a blood clot, and then you told me that altitude causes blood clots, or yeah, if you have a problem you have to be careful on with an altitude.
Speaker 1:It can make it worse. Your blood, I I guess, starts clotting.
Speaker 3:that's why a lot of people wear compression socks on long flights oh, I thought that was just to like help fatigue or something no, that's to help with blood clotting oh man, I'm gonna wear a wetsuit right.
Speaker 1:I mean, is that true I?
Speaker 2:thought it's for. No, that's true.
Speaker 1:Cankles swelling, yeah, well Well it is, but it also is for blood clotting. When my dad flew to, are we still going? We're good. When my dad flew to see us in California was the last time he flew, but he had to wear compression stuff. I'm not kidding you, mine stopped. Oh, my word, this is going to be a nightmare for you. Drew, Are you so excited? He's like I wanted to quit. Look at him.
Speaker 2:It's my own fault. Ever since I tried to quit, it's gotten worse.
Speaker 1:His eyes are filling with tears. Oh, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3:Well, I'm just going to start this one over, because I know that how far did it get? Well, I don't know, but we got, I mean, a ton until we check that one why is this happening? We're not meant to have this podcast today well, we'd never had these problems before we started doing it at our house, that's true, this one seems to be still going.
Speaker 3:Well, you know what we got you. That's all we need, and she talked a lot during that, except for that big long story I told and that comes on that camera. So we should be all right, yeah, anyways.
Speaker 1:So, anyway, my dad had to be really careful because he was having blood clot issues. So he had to be really careful and they told him hey, this gets worse when you're in the air.
Speaker 3:Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2:What's that?
Speaker 1:Tea.
Speaker 2:No Chocolates.
Speaker 1:Oh, these are chocolate caramels. Would you like one?
Speaker 2:Yeah, Thank you.
Speaker 3:That's going to be pretty in the microphone.
Speaker 2:No, do it though, because I'm not going to eat in the microphone. Well, I might he's mad.
Speaker 1:He is mad. I think we're seeing Drew mad.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I need to have a chocolate to get my attitude back.
Speaker 1:Are you mad A?
Speaker 2:little bit no.
Speaker 3:Should we just start all over?
Speaker 1:Would that be better for you, but we'd have to sit through that story again.
Speaker 3:All right, let's hit some comments real quick, although we had planned for this episode to be a little shorter anyways, because the last two, the hutch one, was long. Uh, the the ariel lawhan one was a lot of girl talk hutch was really worried about that episode he was. He didn't think he was funny enough he's like I don't.
Speaker 1:I was. I felt like I was kind of blah.
Speaker 2:People feel pressure to be funny when they come on.
Speaker 1:Which is weird.
Speaker 2:Do they?
Speaker 1:not realize, we're not funny.
Speaker 3:We never set out to be funny.
Speaker 1:And the thing is he's never listened to it.
Speaker 2:This podcast was supposed to be serious spiritual content.
Speaker 3:It was supposed to be like under, like self-care serious. Well, you invited.
Speaker 2:Jennifer.
Speaker 3:Oh, my gosh At Mark Carter, 5064, says hello, the podcast is great.
Speaker 2:Did he yell it? Was it all caps? No?
Speaker 3:Question for you and your other guests what's your favorite song you've recorded? I'm glad y'all made it past episode six. Drew, jennifer and you are so fun to listen to. Your guests are wonderful. There hasn't been one I didn't enjoy. I'm enough of a music geek to really get into behind the scenes conversations. Jeremy, I know you produced Big Daddy Weave's first record. What else have you produced? Not much. I produced FFH, a band called Barlow Girl, and that was a co-producing executive producing with auto price and also auto. Yeah, uh I haven't seen a couple of other independent bands.
Speaker 3:Did jennifer do some bgvs on uh? Any other artists besides ffh? Big daddy weave big daddy, weave right. One more question, jeremy have you written any songs that someone besides ffh recorded?
Speaker 3:yes, but not probably none that anybody would have ever heard of and not to leave, drew out. I don't know your story drew, but I can identify with you being in ministry and then getting kicked out, which may be too strong of a word. Nevertheless, we aren't allowed to do our first loves, but god renews us and is still using us for his glory. Keep on keeping on love, you guys. That's nice, yeah, uh, question for what's the favorite song you've recorded? Well, I mean, mine's pretty easy. I have two one's called ready to fly and one's called.
Speaker 3:So this is what it feels like okay, that's those are your favorites, those of the ones that I've written and recorded. Yeah, really ready to fly. It's funny because we were talking to scott williamson about this on the episode you weren't on and I feel, Ready to Fly. I feel like it's all the songs I wish I would have wrote when I was a kid, you know just Elton John, Billy Joel. I love it, and so this is what it feels like. I like it too.
Speaker 1:It's such a great song.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I had a great time writing it and working on it and yeah, and I mean, I like some other ones too that are kind of like people wouldn't know Deep cuts, yeah, deep cuts. I mean, it would take a.
Speaker 1:I don't remember any of those.
Speaker 3:The deep cuts.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, I don't you actually don't remember the hits?
Speaker 3:Yeah, because when we did that private show up in Montana.
Speaker 1:I struggled.
Speaker 3:There were some. That guy was like, hey, can you play this? And you're like I don't even remember it.
Speaker 1:I don't even know what you're talking about.
Speaker 3:I remember thinking, yeah, it's a problem. Do you have one, a favorite, that we recorded? This is to both of us.
Speaker 1:I really like that one. You said this is what it feels like. I really like what If You're Best?
Speaker 3:What If You're Best yeah?
Speaker 1:I really liked. What was that? I Am Love. I really love that one. Yeah, that's on the record no one bought.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the record company said that they thought it would be a good idea to release that record on. I should have talked to Robert about this when he was on.
Speaker 1:We've got a bone to pick with you, Robert. We've got to bring Robert on again and talk about some of that. Yeah, you know we need to do a panel of all of our favorite guests so far.
Speaker 2:Well, we haven't had that many to pick favorites, and we don't have that much space, so we should get some more guests, because the people who we don't have would be like, well, you just love one person.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so yeah. That record they released on December 26th. Yeah, and tried to sell us that it would be a great idea.
Speaker 1:Guys, this is one way to know that your record company isn't into your record.
Speaker 2:Yeah, December 26th they released it the day after Christmas. You can't buy it as Christmas presents.
Speaker 1:Nope.
Speaker 2:Everyone's all out of money.
Speaker 1:We love the record. We're going to release it December 26th. That's funny.
Speaker 2:Were you kicked out? No, I wasn't kicked out. I should clarify. I was not.
Speaker 1:Did you ever say that?
Speaker 2:I don't think I maybe I implied that. I think you said you got resigned.
Speaker 3:I got disqualified.
Speaker 1:You talked about your brother, your son talking about that song. Yeah, no.
Speaker 2:I was. I don't. I feel like I was not welcome back, but I was not kicked out either.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Well that word disqualified just feels so harsh. I hate that word. Yeah, I'm fine with it now I am not. I have some friends who are going through some similar like leadership, trying to figure out whether they're still qualified, and man, I'm like wait a minute well, my thing is this we're all pretty disqualified
Speaker 2:yeah, I, yeah, I've come to terms with the fact that as a leader sorry, you want this no.
Speaker 3:I just as a force of habit reach to take some of it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, keep going. No, I've come to terms with like as a leader within the church who made a very large mistake, to say the least. I was disqualified from that race for how long? Till the next race? Okay, like that was like for me to to stay a leader in that church with that team and that staff. I think my actions disqualified me from that position, okay, but it didn't disqualify me from getting into another race, another race, meaning in a different ministry. No, just maybe or just in general. My life is not disqualified.
Speaker 2:I'm not disqualified. But that role, that position, that season, because of the consequence of my action, is that that race I it's like when I say race I'm just with the disqualified word I'm having to look at in that terms if someone like is on the blocks and they jump too soon and they're done well, they lost that race, they're disqualified, but doesn't mean they can't get right back in the blocks and run again right.
Speaker 3:So that's kind of what doesn't mean your life's over, no well at the time, though it didn't feel that way, right, I'm okay with that metaphor like, if you're using it in that way I've had to to cope with being disqualified. Well, yeah that's what I'm saying. I mean, I'm just like man that it's such a and I'm like, look, if this guy's wife and kids feel like they are still qualified, we take our cues from them like who are we to say like I just don't feel like we should talk about it well, we're not I'm talking about drew oh
Speaker 3:okay, I just sorry, I'm not into the disqualified language. I mean I understand how it plays out, yeah, in the context of a local church, community and maybe for sure you know, get help, get better, make healthy choices, but when you start talking about is so-and-so disqualified, I immediately just turn inward and go well, what I mean? What have I?
Speaker 2:done, that's disqualified and I have to be very careful. This is where it gets nuanced and people who haven't done their work around this will not understand. But you know, I want to be very careful. That's why I kind of cringed when I said kicked out, because the truth is, the church I was serving at saved my life. They paid for me to get healthy. They supported my family when I was in treatment. I mean, they were extravagant in their generosity towards me.
Speaker 3:so I was not kicked out like they, that's great.
Speaker 2:They went above and beyond, you know, and I've also had to wrestle with, when I got home now, what for my life, too right, so it's like. And jamie did too. No, I had the kids, everyone, I mean, they're all. They're all feeling that, you know, they're probably more, like, offended on my behalf than I. You know what I they're all feeling that they're probably more offended on my behalf than I am, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3:They're probably more.
Speaker 2:They feel that way for me than I do, but it's so nuanced.
Speaker 3:I think the other thing too is that other people you're right, it's nuanced and there's probably no really good way to get through it without heartache. But man, it's maybe just that word. It's almost like a stab, like disqualified. Yeah.
Speaker 2:It feels final, it does, it does feel final. Well, and we don't have to get into it, but the there's really really wonderful people inside of a really broken system and exactly.
Speaker 2:You know it's the system, and if you don't admit that the system is broken, then you're probably benefiting from it in some way and that's why you're not allowing yourself to admit it. Because it's clearly broken, yeah, but that doesn't mean there's really really well-me, well-intentioned people inside of this broken system. So I've chosen to just focus on the people and I'm not in that system anymore. I don't even attend in that world anymore, but I still love a lot of people in that space, yeah, I totally get that.
Speaker 3:I'm with a client right now. We are reading the Viola book, pagan Christianity, and it's kind of like how we got, how the church got all its habits and practices.
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 3:I remember that book.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And it's. I mean, I read it probably 10, 12 years ago. And he's also got another great book called the Untold Story of the New Testament Church, which is just amazing. But anyways, they were like, well, what do you do after you realize that we are backwards in so many ways? And I'm kind of like, well, the first step is to realize it. And you're going okay, this is broken people trying to figure out a broken system, but we're, we still should get together you know we should go.
Speaker 3:We still should get together and have sabbath and sing and preach and anyways, um, uh, remy, well, I was scared for me.
Speaker 1:K h l r. That sounded a lot like uh, typo spotted on your red poster with your book cover.
Speaker 3:It should be memoir, not memey or what oh, you misspelled it, yeah oh, that's hilarious all right well, nice catch, really good catch, so that's so good, that is that is actually one of two of that exact same comment um about us having a misstelling.
Speaker 2:For the detail. People that are looking at it. It drives them insane. Yeah, it's right over your right shoulder, so that's awesome. Let's leave it.
Speaker 1:I think you have two different book posters. No, it's the same, it's the same one.
Speaker 3:No, that is different.
Speaker 1:No, that's a different one.
Speaker 3:I misspelled it twice actually.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a different one. I misspelled it twice actually. Yeah, it's on two different posters.
Speaker 3:It looks exactly the same. Look, this is a C-minus student. I graduated with a 2.3.
Speaker 1:Bragger.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Colleen Richardson says I have loved y'all since I was nine.
Speaker 1:I worked to pay my older sister $10 to buy your first cassette off her. Oh my, gosh.
Speaker 3:How cute is that? Your impact has been huge in my life and I have carried your songs with me through every trial Disclaimer. I also named my firstborn after Sadie Clare. I love you guys and love the show. Thank you, what, yeah?
Speaker 2:I thought she was talking about me for a minute, but Sadie Clare is pretty good, I love that.
Speaker 3:She named her firstborn Drew. She just had this baby. It was really early.
Speaker 1:That's so cool.
Speaker 3:Tammy Schaefer says I'm so glad you guys talked about deconstruction. I've been confused about that going on. I love the term exploration. Thanks, Tammy, I think. If this is the same Tammy, I think we are playing like a private house show for her in Arizona sometime this year.
Speaker 1:Oh cool.
Speaker 3:That would be awesome if it was like right around December.
Speaker 2:I feel like I need to go on some of those.
Speaker 1:You think so you really do.
Speaker 3:We need hey, we should do live versions of the podcast and then play music. That's great.
Speaker 1:Oh, that'd be fun and you can lead worship.
Speaker 3:Are you still? I mean, would you still do that?
Speaker 2:What Lead worship, I mean I would play I don't think I need to lead anything. I mean I do at my parish, oh, you do. I almost called you guys. I was by myself.
Speaker 1:Oh, we should do that. We would have played with you, you would have. That would have been so fun, I was like I need some help.
Speaker 3:I was like I play, we want to do that you want. That would be so fun. Um so maybe if we do this private show, I'll sing some ffh songs that I wrote you'll teach and you'll lead worship through.
Speaker 2:Yeah, jennifer will teach the bible heck to there you go that would be so awesome we'll just do q?
Speaker 1:a with jennifer on politics and I don't have any. I don't have anything to say about politics. Apparently I don't know. I'm just kidding.
Speaker 3:Paste T says as my church's sound person. I can confirm the sweaty pits that's for Jennifer.
Speaker 1:Amen Got to put deodorant on thick every Sunday. It doesn't even work. If you don't get the toxic stuff, it's pointless.
Speaker 3:Okay, so that is a callback to the show when we talked about her being our sound guy for about six months.
Speaker 1:I would just sweat like crazy. It was so terrifying.
Speaker 3:Gerbera. Daisy says landscape orientation has arrived.
Speaker 1:Do you think it's Gerbera Daisy?
Speaker 3:At Gerbera. I think it's Gerbera.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:I want to have more conversations with the sound guy.
Speaker 1:Oh, maybe it is Gerbera Daisy, gerbera Daisy. More conversations with the sound guy. Oh, maybe it is Gerbera Daisy, gerbera Daisy.
Speaker 3:Is Jennifer the sound guy.
Speaker 1:You have questions about me being a sound guy.
Speaker 2:No, just sound guys in general. And what is with sound guys? What's with sound guys, man? What are you mad about? Oh well, that is true.
Speaker 3:We had a sound engineer. He was great. His name was Tom Wilson engineer um, he was great, his name was tom wilson and our manager, uh mike, when, when we signed our management contract, we had been independent for like seven years and speaking of tom, I just put lip stuff on yeah, tom had, he always had chapstick, always um, and tom, uh he mike.
Speaker 3:he was much older than us and Mike sent him out to kind of be like teach these guys how to do this. And he said he brought out with him 12 pairs of black jeans and 12 black shirts and he never wore PJs. He never wore anything but those, he slept in them.
Speaker 1:He would come in last.
Speaker 3:Shower, get up early, yep.
Speaker 1:Where is black?
Speaker 3:I respect that, yeah, um hard worker. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Most sound guys are hardworking, but when you get to it it's always so angry when you're at church and you're dealing with a sound guy.
Speaker 1:They are very fussy but honestly I it's a horrible job Diva worship pastors who think they're not good at it?
Speaker 2:I probably would be too, and it's so frustrating because there's always a problem.
Speaker 1:There's always something buzzing, always a problem.
Speaker 3:That's true.
Speaker 1:It's so frustrating.
Speaker 3:It's kind of like running this podcast Right Always tech issues.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry about that. By the way, jennifer, it's mine.
Speaker 3:Tom was was. We knew that he was going to be temporary with us because he also had other sound gigs. He worked for other artists and so he was training our person. So eventually our monitor engineer moved to front of house and tom, while our sound tech was she was kind of finding her legs out front. Tom ran monitors and he had trained us on in-ears and everything and so once he had our mixes set, you know, when you're using in-ear monitors, you kind of know what you want. You don't really have to change them, and there were nights where we would look over at the side of the stage at the monitor desk hoping to maybe give Tom a cue and he would be sleeping.
Speaker 3:That's how serious he took our gig.
Speaker 2:He was passed out.
Speaker 1:I mean running monitors is. At the time I think he was kind of like oh my gosh, are you kidding me? I'm out here running ears.
Speaker 2:Well, he was training the other person.
Speaker 1:He did some avioms, Avioms can you imagine those were the worst thing ever?
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh, now you've got a bunch of people trying to mix their own ears.
Speaker 1:Well, you know, I never can make mine sound good, they never sound right.
Speaker 3:Let me tell you a major problem. When you tour for a decade with a wireless in-ear pack and then you go to a church and you plug into an aviom, every time you walk off and you knock that aviom over.
Speaker 1:Oh, right, because you just used to walk it off Every time that happens so much. So when I'm leading at a church.
Speaker 3:Now, if I'm playing music at a church, I tell who's ever playing with me. I tell them listen, I need you to do me a favor. When we are done, I need you to stop me and tell me that I'm plugged in because I will just walk off and then it's, you know. Of course they want it to be like prayerful, and here's the last song and you just clink.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh gosh.
Speaker 3:Sandy Hastings says really enjoy watching you all, Drew. You are so genuine. What does that say about us?
Speaker 1:Wow, Drew's genuine, it stands out.
Speaker 3:Please stay. People are still thinking that we are.
Speaker 2:I think he's still on the fence after this one, after this one, after this edit the tech, because I keep checking it.
Speaker 1:It still gets going, I think all right.
Speaker 3:Uh, jeremy, I knew your father oh, oh, listen to ffh a long time ago you three make my week sandy hastings, oh uh. Rob posnanski said I'm hiding chins under here, not fashion.
Speaker 1:Quote of the year. I went hutch through shaded shoes. Hutch goes and the beards no offense. No shade to beards.
Speaker 3:Kate Robertson says I'm Chuggy AF.
Speaker 1:That's great, very funny.
Speaker 3:The AF is very much a millennial.
Speaker 1:That's so funny.
Speaker 3:Wannafly says Chuggy was one of my favorite characters on star Wars.
Speaker 1:Is it not a dad?
Speaker 2:joke Chewy Chewbacca Chugi.
Speaker 1:Uh, got it Now, I don't know Star Wars.
Speaker 3:This one doesn't have a name. I grew up listening to FFH and have recently been sharing my favorite songs with my kids. This lesson led me to running into the diablers and juries podcast. It's been great listening to you be real and vulnerable about parenting, personal struggles, and to hear conversations about facing the second half of life.
Speaker 3:The vulnerability has helped me realize my midlife struggles are more normal than I ever knew you know, somebody, somebody gave somebody gave me that metaphor when we were living in california, like, look, you have to see this as act one, act two and act three. And they were like act one you build your library, you build your ego, you figure out everything, you know, you're a way better parent in act one. And then in act two, you have kids, you throw away your library and you break down your ego. And then in Act 3, you really enjoy life.
Speaker 1:That's when the crap really hits the fan.
Speaker 3:But how cool is that? To think of Act 1, Act 2, Act 3?.
Speaker 1:I feel like Act 3 also, though, brings in a lot of crap with it, like sickness. You know what I mean. A lot of people in Act 3 are really struggling. It's not just oh, I'm going to enjoy life, yeah, but look why it's still in Act 2.
Speaker 3:I went at it, hopefully like I see Act 3 as like the best part of the movie. Like this is where stuff starts to come together.
Speaker 1:I see what you're saying.
Speaker 3:And you're like boy. A lot of bad stuff happens in Act 3.
Speaker 1:I feel like reality is Act 3 kind of sucks.
Speaker 2:Such a ray of sunshine babe kind of sucks. Such a rape sunshine babe, I know. Oh, I don't think the hot take.
Speaker 1:I think most people don't ever make it to the second half of life.
Speaker 3:Well, that's true most people. Maybe their second act is just a continuation of them I think most people don't get out of first act.
Speaker 1:They just stay in first act because they're too scared to.
Speaker 2:Yeah, deal with it or second act, or whatever the act is where you're in, that misery. Right, because I think, if you're really in the third half or the second half, third act, whatever you want to call it. Even in the pain and the misery and everything else you're able, you've got the tools to deal with it and to be at peace and content.
Speaker 3:So what you're saying is as you go from first to second act. You got to deal with the first act there.
Speaker 1:Second act you've got to deal with the first act there's a trauma, there's something that happens that makes you go there's something that makes you there's the wall. There's a wall between first and second act that you've got to get through.
Speaker 2:Well, Catholicism had it right on the dark night of the soul stuff. Yeah, totally it doesn't come into much of the evangelical practices that's like, oh, we're going through a crisis.
Speaker 3:The Catholics are like, hey, not of the soul, yeah, like they called it out on the beginning. Yeah, like, oh, this is normal, that's part of life. You know well, in the hero's journey, or what they call now, they call it the critical journey, but in the hero's journey, you know, that's been handed down through ages. Um, I mean, I think it predates, I think it goes back to like ancient wisdom literature. There's it's almost this cycle where you start out building an ego and then you build friends and a group and a tribe, and then you go off to battle and then you hit what they call the wall, and then the wall is kind of like the growth, like this is where, and and my teachers taught me, they said there are one of two. There are two ways through that wall. You're either pushed by suffering or you're pulled by vision.
Speaker 1:We've talked about this On here. Oh sorry, my bad.
Speaker 3:I mean I'm 26 episodes, 30 episodes in. I can't remember what we've talked about.
Speaker 2:I don't remember what we talked about at the beginning of this episode.
Speaker 3:You don't have to read it back to me like a court reporter.
Speaker 2:Listen, this is what it's like fighting with her.
Speaker 3:I'll go, but I did this. You go no no, you didn't, this is what you said.
Speaker 1:Oh, you never do that. You're one of those types. He does the same thing I do not.
Speaker 3:He's so full of crap.
Speaker 2:I do not do that, like you do, we're not going to make it to the third act. No.
Speaker 3:There is no third act Before act three Jennifer kills the husband.
Speaker 1:He's not going to make was pushed right through the wall. He was pushed off the wall. Uh pasty says uh pasty again. We just talked to this.
Speaker 3:Did we really? Yeah, that's funny, I didn't. I didn't know that. Uh, pasty said, pasty says bring hutch back in the future. Our generation needs some representation. All right, uh not trying to tell you how to run your show but i'd'd love it if you could get Maddie Mullins, solo artist and singer for a band called Memphis Mayfair, on your show. Then, once you've done that, write and record a song together. Then I'll buy all of my friends a copy of said song.
Speaker 1:Okay, I don't know Okay. So here's what we're going to need. Thank you for planning out our act three.
Speaker 3:We're going to need someone to get us in touch with this Maddie Mullins M-A-T-T-Y. Have you heard of him? No, this is a Gen Z artist, then, and somebody's got to put us in touch with Memphis Mayfair.
Speaker 1:So it's a three point.
Speaker 3:Yes, three point sermon. Point three is I told my wife to stay fresh cheese bag oh good, and she thought it was hilarious. Stay fresh cheese bag oh good, and she thought it was hilarious. Then asked where did I get that from? She was okay with it when she learned I stole it from Jennifer.
Speaker 1:Aw.
Speaker 3:This whole time I thought pasty was a girl.
Speaker 1:I did too Well she could.
Speaker 2:Let me see how it's spelled.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like the symbol Pace Pasty there you go, it could be T-Pace pasty there you go, it could be tea paste.
Speaker 2:Yeah, maybe it's toothpaste and it could be a girl. I mean it could be. I'm I'm a little disappointed that, um, our guy did not comment. I think we lost him. Oh yeah, yeah, the realm.
Speaker 3:The guy said I just remembered it, it just came to me yeah I was hoping to get more fat he must not listen, because he would have come.
Speaker 1:He would have had some good stuff to say.
Speaker 2:I miss him, think about him.
Speaker 1:You miss the realm, you miss him. Yeah, guts.
Speaker 3:I would bring Hutch back on he. I thought that was a fun episode and we actually got a lot of people that. I mean I didn't read them here, but a lot of people just commented how great it was to have a young person on.
Speaker 1:We need to yell at Sadie and have her come in here for a minute.
Speaker 2:Sadie, Claire, can we get her on sometime? Will she ever do it? No, no, go get her.
Speaker 3:No, I don't. She's going to say no.
Speaker 2:I've never even seen her. I don't even know if she exists, why are?
Speaker 1:you holding. I know I'll get rid of her in a minute.
Speaker 2:Okay, you don't like the dog.
Speaker 1:He doesn't want her in my lap.
Speaker 3:I love the dog, but when Winnie is in her lap it's like giving her Nital, she's just like really Say Winnie will help me get my Zs, so I had several people email names of your podcast. Oh sweet, let's hear it and a lot of them said stay fresh cheese bags oh, okay they want yeah, where did you get that?
Speaker 2:did you make it up?
Speaker 1:it's a meme it says, um, this is my, this is what I'm gonna say when I walk out of a room and it was from an actual cheese packaging and it said stay fresh cheese because it's a ziploc cheese bag for your.
Speaker 2:It contains cheese now it's become your thing well, that, and what's the other one?
Speaker 1:I say Peace out water spout. I don't know where that came from.
Speaker 3:I thought it was peace out Girl Scout, Well, I know.
Speaker 1:I don't say that. I don't know why I said water spout at some point. I don't even know what is a water spout.
Speaker 2:What is a water spout?
Speaker 1:I think it's self-explanatory.
Speaker 2:It's spouts water, that's so stupid? What is it called Like a geyser?
Speaker 3:That's a water spout.
Speaker 1:I think it might be.
Speaker 3:I went with the new.
Speaker 1:He went up a couple numbers. I went to Amazon and went to the 2.0s. Well, he doesn't even wear reading glasses.
Speaker 3:He's going to need them. Dude, you look great in them. Those look good on you, I know. I know I look great, but I immediately like that almost gave me a headache immediately.
Speaker 1:Really Nauseous.
Speaker 2:Yeah, your eyes are good.
Speaker 1:He just immediately projectile vomits, yeah immediately Like I'm so when? Are you headed? I'm just checking out what's your quest.
Speaker 3:Oh, so yeah, we're all looking, we're all looking.
Speaker 2:I don't. It's going to take me a week to chop up. I'm interested to see the final product of this episode.
Speaker 1:I'm really sorry, drew.
Speaker 2:Don't quit after this one. No, it's fine If you quit, I'm quitting.
Speaker 3:Same.
Speaker 1:No pressure.
Speaker 3:Don't people do seasons of podcasts and then quit for a while?
Speaker 2:You told me.
Speaker 3:Drew that the key to this is consistency.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 3:And we are. Listen. Here's what I wanted to say. When I was up in Pennsylvania visiting my family, they were sort of talking to me about the name and of course nobody really minds the name. Everybody gave us grief.
Speaker 1:All right, all right.
Speaker 3:They were like no, it kind of makes sense, we get it make sense, we get it, it's tongue-in-cheek. We, we know you don't think you're god.
Speaker 3:Um well, that's good, but um you know the charlemagne, the point of this was to kind of invite people into my world of spiritual direction. And then drew's idea was hey, why don't we do this podcast? And then why don't we start offering people a chance to do this process that you do with the tree ring thing, yeah, and so I have finally kind of narrowed it down. I, I think, the, I think the, the product is going to be an app.
Speaker 3:The problem is, I don't know how to make an app yeah maybe one of our listeners know how to make apps, and and for fun. The other night I just looked up. I Googled how to make your own app.
Speaker 3:Oh, dear God, and so I went on to the little site and thought, well, maybe I can do this. You know, I've made a website on Squarespace. You can't make an app. Oh my gosh, I didn't understand the words that were on there. They were in English but it was a whole other vocabulary that I was like oh my, but there's so many app building software out there now, there's no way. No, I mean, it would look like a fourth grader, it doesn't look good.
Speaker 1:I didn't even try what were we talking about before you got onto the app?
Speaker 3:The Gospel, according to Jeremy, my family, second half, third half no, it's gone. Here's what I want to know If you could go back to your first act character, if this is like a VHS and you're rewinding it and you could just hold up a sign to tell first character would you be? So I'll let you guys think about this, because I've thought about it. What would we tell?
Speaker 2:our first act self.
Speaker 3:I would hold up a sign that if they're passing me in a car and they're like, oh my gosh, that looks like me from the future, my sign would say you don't know. That's what it would say. It would be like you think you know, but you don't. That's what I wish I could tell my younger self.
Speaker 3:You think you know, but you don't, because I knew everything. You know, I knew everything in my twenties. I knew how to manage money. I knew I was a good parent before I had kids. You know, I knew what other people wanted, I could write hits and now I'm like I don't know. Crap, it's awesome. What about you?
Speaker 1:What would you tell your don't live on meringues during the pandemic meringues like the pie I know these, these meringues. You can get them at trader joe's and I was eating boxes and boxes during the meringues and I did pound a lot of meringues.
Speaker 3:I gained 15 pounds and I can't lose it it's's so good. It's a meringue cookie. It's like an egg white cookie.
Speaker 1:It's delicious.
Speaker 2:Remember what a lemon meringue pie is.
Speaker 1:It's not about the taste, it's about the texture.
Speaker 3:Here's the thing Drew One or two meringues.
Speaker 1:I'm not going to put weight on.
Speaker 3:She was eating them.
Speaker 1:I would go to Trader Joe's and buy. I was buying 10 boxes at a time.
Speaker 3:I'd come home at 2 in the afternoon and she'd be a box and a half in.
Speaker 1:Oh easy, it's, because it's the texture She'd go babe, I have a problem. That's the sign I would hold up. You put on 15 pounds of meringue.
Speaker 2:Can't lose it. Can't lose it now, no matter what.
Speaker 1:Well I don't know that I'm trying that hard, but yeah, I was going to say, are we? Trying, I don't know, not really.
Speaker 2:You just thought you would stop the meringue and the way it would go away.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I thought life would go back to normal, but it's not. So that's probably what I'd hold up. That's it. I don't know.
Speaker 3:That's all I can think of your young. You know what that would do.
Speaker 1:That would go, oh, that would catch my attention and it would lock in my brain and I would not do it.
Speaker 3:And so COVID happens, and then you go oh, this is what she was talking about.
Speaker 2:Stay away from the Marines.
Speaker 3:That old lady in the crowd with the sign, the one that looked like Taylor Swift's mom.
Speaker 1:The one that looks like she has the same haircut as I do now.
Speaker 2:You did just a worse version of going back and telling yourself what to do to get rich. Yes, that's just a worse version. It's just about 15 pounds.
Speaker 1:Right, I should go back and tell myself all the Super Bowl scores Right Patriots.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, seriously. Duh yeah, where to get by stock, by Apple stock, that was dumb. No, not gain stupid 15 pounds who?
Speaker 1:freaking cares. I just don't have an idea. I don't know.
Speaker 3:Man, I thought again this hijacking of the good segments.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry.
Speaker 3:What do you?
Speaker 1:got Drew, You've probably got a good one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I got a good one, I think I would go back and tell my younger self that it's okay to be honest, really, yeah, yeah, I would just say you don't have to perform, you don't. You can be sad, you can show your emotions. I just spent 40 years being dishonest with myself you know, and it just came out sideways.
Speaker 2:But I think if, if younger me knew that, hey, like I could show up with all my emotions and it would be okay. You know, that would be life-changing. But even as I'm saying that, I was like you have to, you can't you can't tell yourself I would have missed so much of the growth process. Yeah, you know, so that'd been it for me.
Speaker 1:Yeah I would also tell myself do a load of laundry every day well, you do that now. I do that now. I learned it later in life. Yeah, also, pee in the shower and pull your swimming suit over you did learn you did learn that late. That's what I'm saying. I learned all those late. I would put all that on my sign.
Speaker 3:I would probably. Well, I mean, if we're, if we're just going funny like that.
Speaker 1:I didn't mean to be funny, I would tell mom way younger that everybody pees in the pool.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, mom learned I'm sorry, drew, I hijacked your.
Speaker 1:serious, be honest thing with me.
Speaker 2:That's just what came to my mind.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but no, there's yeah, well, that's the thing, like when you're doing the tree ring thing. One one thing I do with clients is, you know, we, we do talk about regret, because I actually have a. I think regrets can be really healthy. Now, I don't think guilt is, but I think regret. You know you, you go, okay, I, I don't like the way that felt and this will you know everybody has a regret. They do.
Speaker 2:Well, I think we, we we see the past. I was last time grace was home. This was a month or two ago. She came home for a weekend or something like that, and she was sitting on the couch. I was just looking at her and I said something to her like man, like I wish I could go back and raise you again and be more present, because she's you know second year college and she just was really sweet. It was like dad, I really felt like you were present yeah like you were there.
Speaker 2:You never were not there for us, you were, we had like. So I'm dealing with like these shame and regret stuff and she's like that's just not my experience of you my experience of you is that you were very present with us, and we have a lot of great memories and I look back on I'm like you know what that is true, like I wasn't the work 80 hours a week guy, I wasn't traveling tons, all those things.
Speaker 2:I was very, but you know. So I think sometimes we look back and tell ourselves a story that may not be completely accurate yeah, I think you're right about that yeah, I mean there's some of the regrets I have.
Speaker 3:I mean I know that they, I mean I know that they adversely affected me and us. But but I mean going back and going. Man, I wish I was more. That feels like more of a longing to have your kids small Right.
Speaker 2:My son gives me a hard time because he's saying dad, he says it jokingly, but he's like. He says he needs more of an origin story. That's his little thing he's got to like in order for him to be great at something like basketball he'll watch he'll watch all these like documentaries. Yeah, and they went through hard stuff. He's like I haven't.
Speaker 2:I don't have a good origin story oh, that's funny like I'll be laughing and I was like well, you know, I did leave to go to rehab for three months. He's like yeah, it wasn't long enough, you gotta go way longer.
Speaker 3:Well, it wasn't long enough for him to be like yeah, I lost my dad for a year.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, yeah, he needs something more dramatic to be his origin story that is funny motivate him to greatness that's so cute gosh, you guys remember when you're little, how long a year felt?
Speaker 3:like if someone would have told you comprehend it well, if someone would have told you we're going to do that this time next year, you'd been like well, that I mean, that's eternity, yeah, yeah and now it's like man. My father-in-law told me when I was in my 20s he goes Jerem. Days are slow, but years are short and I didn't quite understand.
Speaker 1:You can't understand that until you're old, but I'm like yeah, that is so true.
Speaker 3:Days sometimes seem to creep by, I mean, especially when you're young and your kids are little and you're like, how can I get them to bed? But years do go by fast.
Speaker 3:Yeah, on how can I get them to bed? You know, but years do go by fast. Yeah, you know, there was a on my way up to Pennsylvania. There was a couple with a teeny, tiny little baby they had. They had, you know, had to spend the day in Sanford. They had. They had gone to Florida because they were adopting and they had. They had gotten an Airbnb there for about three and a half weeks and the baby was born and then they had to wait 10 days and they were flying this little baby home and I saw them in the airport and I didn't. I hated when people told us don't blink, like oh yeah, and you know what I mean, because when you got little kids, you don't want to hear that You're like.
Speaker 3:I'm going to blink blink, blink blink, blink, shut my eyes, but I, they just was. It was just like, it was like children with children.
Speaker 1:I was like man was this their first baby.
Speaker 3:Yes, they had adopted their first baby and and they were so young and the baby was so teeny, tiny, and I I just wanted to tell them just hold you know hold on.
Speaker 3:I remember when we were first parents with Hutch and we this we'd only had Hutch home probably a couple of weeks and we had gotten into that routine. I mean, you could probably tell it better than me, but you're, didn't you kind of feed him at around eight and then again at midnight, and then from eight to midnight she didn't put him in bed, we kind of just held him, and she would hold him like for three or four hours, but you you held him.
Speaker 3:most nights he would just lay on me. I looked over one night. We had two couches that face the TV.
Speaker 1:I think I know what you're going to say.
Speaker 3:Like parallel couches. And I looked over just to catch her looking at him bawling. And she looked at him and goes I'm going to put bricks on your head.
Speaker 2:So you don't grow up and I was like babe.
Speaker 3:That's what my mom used to tell me I'm going to put bricks on your head, you just said, I'm so sad. I'm like you have him, he's right there.
Speaker 1:But I know I wanted I was. He was laying on my belly and I was like I want you back in my belly, yeah.
Speaker 3:Well, I mean, you are like that. That is your sad thing, what? Always just missing the kids being little. Oh, you better go get him. You know what? That's a good time to end everybody. I promised let her, let her go, babe. I promised that this. I promised this episode would be short and so it is short. We're like 45 minutes in. Thank you for joining us on the gospel, the third time.
Speaker 3:According to Jeremy, the third time. Oh hey, I need to say this thing because people always say this on podcasts and I never do.
Speaker 1:Like and subscribe yes.
Speaker 3:Like. Subscribe comment, because it helps us evidently if people comment. Oh, then do it so yeah, just let's-.
Speaker 1:Do it. We People comment oh Then do it.
Speaker 2:So yeah, do it. We like it, we do. I love hearing the comments.
Speaker 1:I do too.
Speaker 2:If people think we don't care, we do All right.
Speaker 3:So let's sign off. Drew, say it what Goodbye, goodbye, goodbye, goodbye.
Speaker 1:Stay fresh, peace out, worship Out, as he whispered it.