The Gospel According to Jeromy
Welcome to "The Gospel According to Jeromy" podcast, where faith, humor, and heartfelt stories collide in a lively conversation about life, love, and everything in between. Join your host Jeromy Deibler, along with co-hosts Jennifer Deibler and Drew Powell, as they share the Dieblers journey from being the acclaimed Christian band FFH to their current path in spiritual direction.
In this engaging and candid podcast, Jeromy, Jennifer, and Drew offer a unique blend of perspectives on spirituality, mental health, emotional well-being, and personal growth. Drawing from their extensive experiences on the road and life's ups and downs, they explore the joys and challenges of faith, all while sprinkling in some humor along the way.
Get ready for spirited debates, deep dives into controversial thoughts, and heartwarming memories as they invite you into their world of faith, questions, and spiritual exploration. Whether you're a longtime believer, a spiritual seeker, or simply someone looking for meaningful conversations, "The Gospel According to Jeromy" podcast has something for everyone.
Tune in to join the conversation, laugh, learn, and be inspired as Jeromy, Jennifer, and Drew navigate the twists and turns of life's spiritual journey. It's a podcast that's as diverse as their experiences and as authentic as their hearts. Subscribe today and embark on a captivating exploration of faith, laughter, and the adventure of the human spirit.
The Gospel According to Jeromy
Hall Passes and RFK Jr
Hey everyone, Jeromy here along with Jennifer and Drew, and we're thrilled to be back behind the mic. What we've got in store for you is nothing short of an emotional rollercoaster that promises to touch your heart and tickle your funny bone. We kick things off with a candid catch-up where Jennifer's Broadway adventure and Drew's restroom rescue mission set the stage. Our car confessionals reveal the mishmash of hair-raising (quite literally!) and hilarious memories that come with the love for our four-wheeled companions.
Buckle up as we navigate the labyrinth of public adoration and private struggles, dissecting the dichotomy between the characters our favorite celebrities play and the people they are when the cameras stop rolling. From Jessica Chastain's fierce film personas to the nostalgia of '90s heartthrobs, celebrity allure is on the discussion block. We don't just stop at Hollywood's doorstep, though; we get real with stories of personal growth and the resonating chords of life-changing music, with a nod to those with the enviable gift of perfect pitch.
But the journey doesn't end there. We delve into the profound sphere of addiction recovery, where Drew opens up about his new role as alumni director and the transformative experiences that come with it. From the vulnerability of confrontation to the strength found in weakness, the road to recovery is as inspiring as it is arduous. And as we slow down, we reflect on the bittersweet symphony of travel, family, loss, and the healing embrace of coming home. So join us, let's share some laughs, shed a tear or two, and together, grasp the beautiful complexity of the human journey.
Everybody welcome to the Gospel, according to Jeremy. Before I introduce my co-hosts, I want to address something real quick. We missed two weeks and I had a lot of you missed two weeks. Yeah, I thought we only missed one.
Speaker 2:No, we missed two and I had a lot of— you missed two weeks. Yeah, I thought we only missed one.
Speaker 1:No, we missed two and I had a lot of pushback and I'm sorry. I should have let you all know.
Speaker 2:That was—.
Speaker 1:Did you get comments?
Speaker 3:about it, Mm-hmm, yeah, I did too. People missed us yeah they really did actually.
Speaker 1:That's great. This summer there may be a couple of episodes that, rather than trying to pre-record them way far ahead, we might miss a couple.
Speaker 2:Maybe. Well, we might not. Will we know ahead of time?
Speaker 1:Well, I'll know some, depending on what my Florida schedule is. Drew's been traveling, I've been traveling, jennifer was in New York traveling, which we've got to tell that story, dang. That was a short she was on the stage of Hamilton. Where I belong, but let's get everybody caught up real quick.
Speaker 2:I don't like my shirt and I don't like that. I can see myself. Oh my God.
Speaker 1:Can we ever do an episode, you guys, where you don't talk through the intro?
Speaker 2:I'm so sorry, Like you did good, drew.
Speaker 3:I was trying real hard Were you.
Speaker 1:I'm so sorry, like you, did good, drew, I was trying real hard, were you. Anyways, I'm here as always, with my wife, jennifer Deibler, and my friend Drew Powell, and we have not seen each other for two and a half weeks. Drew walked in here, having it's been a long stretch Having Did you get relief?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I hit the Walgreens, I started at-.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's a good one. Walgreens is clean. It was good it started at-.
Speaker 2:You know the problem with a Walgreens bathroom is, you know, everyone in there has been sick. Like you know, they're all in there to get drugs.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I didn't think about that.
Speaker 2:Something about.
Speaker 3:It makes it feel clean now it feels medical.
Speaker 1:Compared to Bargain Hunt where I started. Yeah, that bathroom was like a third world country. We're talking about Big Potty, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, you don't want to go Big Potty in the Bargain Hunt.
Speaker 3:And I don't want to go over here and I don't like going in public and I wanted to take a nap in my Jeep before I got here and it just was me driving around town looking for a clean restroom.
Speaker 1:Ugh.
Speaker 2:That's awful, you know the moral of that story. You know the moral of that story.
Speaker 3:Is there one?
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3:Don't eat sushi. Oh see, I don't.
Speaker 1:You think that's what did it to you? Yeah, that's what he ate. Well, look, here's the thing.
Speaker 2:I shouldn't be having this, because this cream will do the same thing to me, really, yeah.
Speaker 1:You know if you're. I don't know if we've ever talked about this yet, but all three of us on the gospel, according to jeremy, care about what we drive. I, uh, I love my car.
Speaker 2:You love your jeep uh your jeep is amazing, it's amazing um, are you doors off right now?
Speaker 3:no okay, I'm fully clothed.
Speaker 2:You don't even have top off oh my god, that's a shame, it's almost a it's.
Speaker 1:That's almost like that's a crime. You should have to give it back.
Speaker 3:I agree it's a problem in my family. My family doesn't like the Jeep as much as I do. My son doesn't like to go into school in the morning to top off his messes up his hair.
Speaker 2:I get that.
Speaker 3:It's a hard top so it's not easy to get on, and off. I get all of those things and so I went like two or three weeks and had it off, cleaned out the garage so I could park in the garage the whole thing, but it just got problematic because of the rain and then we're down to one car. But are you right? Now's the season for me to take it off. Leave it off.
Speaker 2:I need to invest like a soft top so I can just ease off top would make your life easier, probably because of the rain.
Speaker 1:You never know when it's going to rain here you know it's funny that the kids don't appreciate it, because you would think that my 16 year old daughter, sadie claire she's so cute and then you put her behind the wheel of my car and it's like I mean it. I've been in it with her and watched boys yeah, it's ridiculous track her, but she gets in it immediately, puts top up because of her stupid hair.
Speaker 2:Yeah, her hair's stupid I have a crappy car your car is fine.
Speaker 1:You are due, though. I mean, what do you have?
Speaker 2:I have his car that he wanted to hand me down.
Speaker 1:I have a hand me down, well, I mean when we were in california and I know dave dave ramsey's not a listener to this podcast that's good yeah, I would. I knew, we knew, knew Dave before he was Dave, and so we tried we tried to do all the and we did it for a while. But when we were in California we leased a car.
Speaker 2:We never did the envelopes. No, but we did the no we tried not to have any debt.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we tried not to have any debt and we paid. You know, I called, I got a royalty check one time and I called Dave and I said hey, jennifer's got a car payment, should I pay it off? He's like yes, get out of the. So you leased a great car in California.
Speaker 2:I did. I mean having Back when leases were insane. I mean I was getting. I had a brand new loaded car for $199 a month or something crazy. It was crazy. Oh, wow, yeah.
Speaker 1:When 99 a month or something, it was crazy. Oh, wow, yeah, when that lease drew. When that lease ran out, this is so great. When that lease ran out, she took it back and she told the guy I, you know, I want I'll lease another car from you, but I want something a little bit bigger. And I was away at the time on my training and I came back and she picked me up in this amazing new car that she had and I said tell me the story she goes. I lived in there for a week.
Speaker 2:That's what you got to do.
Speaker 1:He finally said to her he caved.
Speaker 2:He finally caved. He said if I give you this price, will you leave? Wow, and I said yeah, I will, I'll leave.
Speaker 3:I need you to negotiate for me, because I just go in and pay the sticker and get leave. I hate negotiating.
Speaker 2:Oh, I can't, I can't, that hurts me, didn't?
Speaker 1:he wasn't the final offer, $4 more than you agreed on.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, we agreed on a certain number and he came back with the paperwork and it was $4 more and I go. That's not what we agreed he goes. It's four dollars a month.
Speaker 3:I go that's a starbucks, he goes are you kidding me?
Speaker 2:he goes, are you? I'm like no, I'm not. This is what we agreed, right, you came back four dollars higher. He had to go redo all the paperwork.
Speaker 2:That's hilarious I'm such a jerk. But then that was back when you could get those deals. When I tried, when that one was up and I tried to go, you couldn't. I mean, those deals just weren't available and I I lived at that dealership more than I lived at the other one and the guy was finally like look, I can't, I can't do anything for you. I was back in the finance manager's office talking to him. He was like come here, what are we? What are, what are we doing?
Speaker 3:I mean I literally would go in there just listen to a podcast and just sit in the waiting room but you got what you wanted oh my god, no, I never got anything that time okay, because they just hung out there, in case they decide change their mind or something I don't understand the strategy like I need. I need a deal and just hung out and they would be like no and you, just, all right, I want to camp out over here. They kept going.
Speaker 2:Well, we're gonna, we're gonna work this out you kind of held them hostage.
Speaker 1:They she really did. She gets, but it didn't work. It didn't work that time with the first two it did work. Yeah, and with mine it worked so well. You know that volkswagen had that problem right and they were trying to the tdi problem.
Speaker 2:You know they had all that diesel problem and they you know they got sued for a diesel or something trillion billion zillion dollars.
Speaker 1:So they were trying to get the new tiguan's on the road and they were having this lease deals here so memorial day weekend she and I went in together and she was bad cop and I was like yeah, but oh, it killed me.
Speaker 2:You were like I'm just gonna do it.
Speaker 1:Well, like it got to be, it got to be 8 30 at night and he called me and he said all right, $199. You can have it, which is pretty good for me, but I was like he wanted.
Speaker 2:I was like, listen, if you wait, you'll be able to get that sunroof you want.
Speaker 1:Nope, yeah, I caved, he didn't wait he caved and I was like dude.
Speaker 2:now I'm stuck with this stupid base model he bought this is oh my gosh, you're such a jennifer. That was a jennifer moment I got my base model car that I went with a friend last night to a thing and she's like, well, who should drive? I was like, well, you drive? I said mine's base. She goes. What does that mean? I'm like it's a base model, didn't have anything fun was hers nice yeah yeah I mean, she has three tiny children so talk, talk about last night a minivan I mean last.
Speaker 1:She saw rfk again last night and we went with our friend. She went with our friend shaley yeah I didn't know if I'd be home or not. We'll talk about my florida experience in a minute, where was he um he was at the ryman.
Speaker 2:I mean they have these nights of comedy where all these comics come and okay, it's a, it's a fundraiser, which I texted shaley because last week his video about abortion came out and I was like, oh, dang it, what the heck. I mean it was like no, no, um, restrictions at all, like up until like full term yes, I'm like what a freaking idiot.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so mad at him, so I texted shayla and I'm like I kind a freaking idiot, I'm so mad at him. So I texted Shailene. I'm like I kind of want my money back, but we went Because he did walk that back.
Speaker 1:He hates abortion he did walk it back.
Speaker 2:He just doesn't want to regulate it. Listen, the thing is he and I might end up together. Jeremy knows.
Speaker 1:I do, you're okay with it? I mean I told him I, jeremy knows I did, you're okay with it.
Speaker 2:I mean, I told him I'm like I mean, we have, if I don't come home, yeah, if I don't come home tonight, send my stuff on to hyannis port, and I'm sorry, I've moved on we have a list that it's kind of like.
Speaker 1:It's one or two, two or three people are like you know what, if you get a chance it's kind of like we, I get it and rfk. She's been a fan for a long time. He's handsome.
Speaker 2:He looks proximity to power.
Speaker 1:Yeah, to quote him Mine's Jessica Chastain. Really.
Speaker 2:Well, you know that, I know, but she's such an idiot in real life.
Speaker 1:Is she? Well, I don't know. I mean, I'm talking about Molly Bloom actually, yeah, you like her.
Speaker 2:You like Jessica Chastain as Molly Bloom.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and the girl in Zero Dark, thirty, can't remember her name, oh yeah, I mean, yeah, she is gorgeous. Yeah, sure, do you guys have a list?
Speaker 3:No, Do you have a favorite actress? You're like, oh man, she's amazing. I can't think of one specifically. I mean, you know, growing up and stuff, obviously. So Kelly Kapowski from Saved by the Bell was always the one. We've talked about her before.
Speaker 2:She's so beautiful.
Speaker 1:I'm trying to think who else? Tiffany Amber Thiessen?
Speaker 2:Yeah we talked about her. I mean Julia Roberts always for me was Okay. How do you feel about her now? She still looks pretty good.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's great yeah good, yeah, it's great.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she's like timeless. She really is. It's not fair, but I don't know, I don't have like a, a person. You know, the good thing is too, you're tall, she's tall. Yeah, that I mean that.
Speaker 3:That's that matters, jamie. It was like the bad boys like really oh yeah like was it on 90210? Was it dylan?
Speaker 2:oh, dylan, yeah, okay, so like her, he's dead. Luke, luke Perry, luke Perry. Well, scratch him off the list then. Yeah, well, you don't have to worry about that one anymore, you don't have to worry about him.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like those types were her go-to guys.
Speaker 2:Like, what was his name? Oh gosh, you guys, the old 50s one, james Dean.
Speaker 3:James Dean yeah, probably she would have been into that type, like the bad boy. She was big New Kids on the Block, like tattoos and stuff.
Speaker 2:New Kids on the Block.
Speaker 3:Big into New Kids on the Block. Which one?
Speaker 2:Did she like the bad guy? There's always a bad guy.
Speaker 3:Yeah, which one was it that she was? Well, I think he was-. Marky Mark, His brother, I think is the one she liked, maybe.
Speaker 2:Oh, the one is gay, he has that farmhouse fixture show oh no, I didn't know that it's a great show lance bass but no, he's in sync yeah but no, there's a one of the new kids. He has a hgtv show and him and his husband that's what's up, yeah yeah, you'd never. I mean you'd never know it.
Speaker 1:I mean he doesn't come across as you know the typical gay guy, not like Mark, our friend, no, I mean Mark's, like he's gay, gay. Okay, you knew it.
Speaker 2:Hi, mark, when he was married, you knew it. Do you think Mark listens to this?
Speaker 1:He wouldn't care. I mean, Mark is the best, he just is like I'm going to springs and palm springs and live out the rest of my life. Yeah, he's, I mean, he's mark's awesome, the sweetest but we kind of knew mark. I miss mark, I mean he came to nashville one time got off the airplane.
Speaker 1:I was like man are you gay and we didn't even know he was. He told me later he's like. Did you ask him? Yeah, he's like, did you know? I knew I was like not really, I just kind of, I was just kind Okay well, that makes me feel better that you guys talked about it. Oh, yeah, yeah, I totally knew.
Speaker 2:I totally knew.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, I mean he's great. I mean he loves show tunes. He said gay bars are the best.
Speaker 3:Really Well. He said it's so fun.
Speaker 1:Everybody's singing show tunes and hanging out by the piano. Well, and he's a piano player who can play anything. Yeah, mark's got he. Do you know anybody with perfect pitch? You don't have it, not personally. No, yeah, mark. So mark could to my guitar, like it's crazy I love that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was amazing. I think a lot more people think they have it now like sadie has some friends really got perfect pitch no, there's no chance you have perfect pitch.
Speaker 1:No, um mark can tell if it's like a cent or two off.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's crazy, that's crazy.
Speaker 3:Like Charlie Puth is that way. Have you ever seen videos of him?
Speaker 2:Dang, that guy is amazing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, take my hand.
Speaker 2:He really, I'm just making sure, that's. Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1:He's so good I've seen videos of him and it's a little bit of a curse because, like when we we've recorded in the studio and when something is out of tune, he's like hang on, hang on.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:It's like it's like no, that string, like you know what I mean it's and he sees music as color and so like he's got, like he's told me before, like a song in the key of B flat is very brown for him, so he's got to move it around. It's crazy. That's cool. He was the band leader of Jesse and the Rippers on Full House. Oh, no way, mark was the band leader for it. Yeah, yeah, which, going back to the list thing, oh yeah, he was friends with my list.
Speaker 2:She always thought John Stamos was like oh, is he on the list? He used to be. He's not anymore.
Speaker 1:Well, it kind of got close, because then we met Mark and Mark's friends and he was like you need to take him off the list.
Speaker 2:Got too close for comfort, one degree away.
Speaker 1:You could actually end up at a party with John Stamos.
Speaker 2:We're one degree away from him now. That's too weird.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm like, look, you're the one that this list was okay. I can't help it Because we know John Stamos wouldn't be able to resist this.
Speaker 1:Well, I thought it was. You know, it's like.
Speaker 3:Matt.
Speaker 1:Damon Denzel, you're never going to be in the same room, but then you're like oh, there's a chance.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so you're saying there's a chance.
Speaker 3:RFK though the voice.
Speaker 1:I just can't Listen. Powerful the voice is because he's slow and deliberate and you're like okay, what you just said is so intelligent he's kind of like amy grant.
Speaker 2:That way you know what I mean. Amy grant takes things very slowly and when she says something you're like. Okay, it's very thought out.
Speaker 3:She doesn't just you know?
Speaker 2:and yeah, he's intelligent. That's part of the attraction he's smart guy he, oh my gosh he's brilliant, even though he had that brain worm.
Speaker 1:I would say, when I was a kid, amy Grant would have been on my list. I thought she was amazing.
Speaker 2:I think Amy Grant was on my list as a kid.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she's awesome. We played a show with her one time and it was a festival, and I could see her listening to our set which is weird to our set and which is weird, you don't listen to other bands sound checks yeah, and she was listening to our sound check and then she listened to our set and she came and you were asked that night to do the invitation. Yeah, there was a remember the old houston astrodome.
Speaker 1:that the okay. So we we're playing the show in the astrodome and, uh, the the promoter said, hey, there, we do want to have a little bit of a spiritual talk, but but we don't have a speaker. Will you give the talk? And I was like, yeah, I mean, I'm honored to do it. So, um, we were, you know, we did our set and at the end of our set we were like hey, you know, you've heard a lot about Jesus tonight. If you'd like to know more, you know, here's how we're going to do it. And I kind of gave a little bit of my own testimony. And so Amy came and found me afterwards and she was weird because she said you, I want to talk to you. And I was like, oh my gosh, I'm in trouble with Amy Grant, which?
Speaker 2:wouldn't be the first time.
Speaker 1:So really.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Was I in trouble with Amy Grant?
Speaker 2:before. Yeah, well, go on with this. Was I really? Yeah, go on with this.
Speaker 1:Really yeah, go on with the story I didn't even know I was in trouble with amy grant before, remember.
Speaker 2:Okay, we'll talk about remember, obviously let me finish anyway, she said she
Speaker 1:said you, I want to talk to you, and I was like I mean, I almost was like yes, miss grant, but um, I was like okay, and anyway, she was really sweet. She said that thing you said that was one of the most tasteful ways of doing that. I just want you to know you did a really good job and I'm proud of you, wow.
Speaker 2:She actually said that was the best way of presenting the gospel I have ever heard.
Speaker 3:Wow, he wasn't going to tell you that's high praise.
Speaker 2:It was so cool.
Speaker 1:It was really cool. I was like he's my husband, he's with me. Hands off amy and back off. I was like, thanks so much, that means a lot, and we just kind of walked away. Um, but anyway she was. She was so kind about it. But when did I make her mad?
Speaker 2:we were playing the rhyming. Actually I was there last night. It was so wild because shaley was like have you guys played here? I was like, yeah, we played here a couple times. She's like that's so weird, and it was weird too. I was like, yeah, it is weird actually. Yeah, um, anyway, we, we were playing. I think it was the first time we played at a gma thing, like at the ryman yeah and I think amy was the host and you said something about divorce oh my gosh at the beginning of one of these days, because you would always give your testimony about your
Speaker 3:parents getting divorced and stuff.
Speaker 2:And so you, at the end of one of these days, you'd say no more death, no more than no more divorce, which he would always do. But there was no context for it, and so I, she felt like that was directed. I don't even know she heard it, but her people thought it was directed at her, like personally at her. Well, because it was right at the time her and Gary were going through their divorce and so they went to Mike and were really mad.
Speaker 1:I didn't know that, you didn't know that. Well, maybe Mike kind of protected me from it.
Speaker 2:He might have, but I knew.
Speaker 1:I definitely didn't mean it in that way.
Speaker 2:Oh well, mike came to us and you must not remember and we were like oh my gosh, mike, we say that every night.
Speaker 1:I mean, that had nothing. Yeah, I promise, I was just talking about pain, just going. Yeah, yeah, totally.
Speaker 2:And in our show it had context Right when we're doing like three songs it didn't have context.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh. I do vaguely remember that because I remember thinking I feel so ashamed I hurt Amy Grant's feelings.
Speaker 2:Honestly, I think it was more hurtful, was that?
Speaker 3:after the gospel spiel, or would that have been before? Well, this is a different show.
Speaker 1:It was probably way before. I think it was before. Yeah, no, that was before. She probably didn't remember me.
Speaker 2:I honestly think she didn't even see it because she was backstage. She was hosting, so she was coming out between everybody. I'm sure she didn't even know it happened. Her people probably saw it and they were really protective of her.
Speaker 1:at that time she's the best man. I mean the few times we've been around her like I mean.
Speaker 2:Do you know her at?
Speaker 1:all I remember meeting her the first time. We we uh recorded over at the old bennett house in franklin she was recording with keith thomas actually and I remember meeting her and going. This is so. That's humility, this is something to aim at. Like she was so humbly unaware of her.
Speaker 3:That's the word on the street, everyone says that.
Speaker 1:But she's very down to earth, assuming like, yeah, it's very cool I love.
Speaker 3:I love that I went to her concert at the factory, like last year oh, yeah, no it's been a couple years ago and she played. It was the anniversary of the heart and motion record. She played every song, she played the whole record, even songs she never played live before, and her band is always just like insane so that was fun.
Speaker 2:It's like a small room of 100 people. What's your favorite Amy Grant record?
Speaker 3:I mean probably that one. I mean that was Monday Night Christian roller skating. That was when you?
Speaker 1:Oh was it yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Baby, Baby Hard Motion, all that whole deal.
Speaker 1:So where have you been? The?
Speaker 3:past two and a half weeks. Did you travel?
Speaker 1:at all. I've been in Colorado Okay.
Speaker 2:Denver at all. I've been in colorado. Okay, denver, yep, you love it, denver I love it out there.
Speaker 3:Um no, not moving, not moving out there. We've just, I've decided, we've decided it's just there's too many cold months of the year, even though it's sunny yeah jamie just is not gonna do the cold and they're, it's still like there's a florida girl. They were skiing like a few weeks ago still.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I saw that on instagram. I'm like no, they're having big snow storms.
Speaker 3:Oh, I just can't. I can't do it um.
Speaker 1:I do like visiting, like going out there, so well and you get to be immersed in the recovery community, which is totally so refreshing.
Speaker 3:Well, and I just accepted the the role of alumni director, yeah, yeah well, that was a prerequisite okay, so accept the lord then accept the position. So, so, that's great. So I'll be out there once a month now for a few days and running that program, yeah, but I stay in the recovery houses when I go, I don't stay in a hotel, I just stay there with the guys.
Speaker 2:I'm just sitting on the couch at night.
Speaker 3:And some of them are a couple weeks into their recovery, some are a few months. Can you tell the guys that are a?
Speaker 1:couple of months, uh, from the guys that are what? Well, I mean, after a couple of months, you probably are into the rhythm of brokenness and yeah, yeah, they're, they're way more settled in.
Speaker 3:Okay, the first couple weeks is it's like caged animals high anxiety. What happens is we all go back to like our. We go back to being little kids. We pitch a fit like the guys just pitch a fit over every little, oh my god, it's the stuff like and I did too. So it's like you go back and you're like oh gosh, yeah, I was just adolescent, yeah, I was going back every little thing, I just pitch a fit over.
Speaker 3:So it's. It's when you lose, kind of like all control and agency and they're helping you like rebuild from that, like trying to find a place to surrender, but like you're in this place where at the first few weeks they take your phone away, they, you go where they tell you to go. When they tell you to go, you you don't. You don't really make any decisions for yourself.
Speaker 3:You're just incomplete, like that. You got to do what they tell you. Most of these guys are high control guys. They're high power guys. They've made you know this is a professional's program, 30 and up. Most of these guys are c-suite doctors, lawyers, whatever. And all of a sudden they're put in a place where they don't get to make a decision for themselves on anything. Wow, so one one little thing happens, I mean one little tiny thing happens and they explode in the first.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but um, I know this is reductive, but do you think like they, like you said, they revert back because that's where the pain is? Yeah, you know, the pain is back there, and so they're acting out in well, I think the mask, like their mask of performance, is gone, and so that's what's always been there on the inside.
Speaker 3:They're just they're. They don't know how to react or act to this place where they they can't like manipulate their way through it. They can't, you know.
Speaker 1:So now they're just stuck and so they revert back to well, the performance part of them too is what made them successful, made us, me, successful, like the, that thin sort of representative version of us, and then that goes away, or you can't work like the veneer yeah, you can't act that out anymore. Then all of a sudden it's like well, who am I? Mine happened like week two or three, because I was.
Speaker 3:I went in and I was like I'm gonna ace this program, I'm gonna be the best client they've ever had. I'm gonna do all my homework. I was done before they asked me. I just went in and they sniffed that out, and so it wasn't until I realized that I think it was like week two or three and I thought I was gonna get my phone back and I thought I was gonna move to the next level of care and they were like no, like you're just you're just actually starting.
Speaker 3:These last two weeks really didn't count for much because you were still in like. You know. So, like Crap I know. So that was when they like you're not getting your phone back, you're not whatever, and I dude, I threw a fit.
Speaker 2:Did you yell?
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, yell, cuss, whatever. Like looking back on it I laughed, but it was just and they were like welcome. I you just showed up, welcome. You've begun your program. It took me a couple weeks. I was like dang. So I ended up doing like 45 and not 30 days in the partial hospitalization because the first couple weeks didn't count, because you tried too hard. I tell all the guys that come in Well, even guys now they're afraid to show emotion because they're afraid they're going to get demoted back down to the level of care.
Speaker 3:And the therapist is like like no, that shows you're doing the work, like if you get sad or angry or whatever like those, and you learn how to deal with it. It's good stuff, you know, so yeah I love going back.
Speaker 1:I just realized as you were talking how frustrating that initial like you know everything good in life it's almost like you gotta wait three weeks for it to like you're trying to lose weight. Well, you know, you usually get you. You you gain weight when you're working out and you start going to counseling and the counselors always say, well, it's going to get worse before it gets better that's the worst like you.
Speaker 1:You know the doctor gives you some antidepressants and they're like it's going to take three or four weeks for it to kick in. You're like everything good in life takes three or four weeks.
Speaker 2:Yeah, except for Vicodin.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean. Or alcohol, well, that's true. The drugs, all the quick fixes to all the temporary escapes. Yeah, they work right away, they do, they do. That's to all the temporary escapes. Yeah, they work right away.
Speaker 1:They do. They do. I mean it's easier to go to them. Yeah, it totally. I mean, I think that's the thing, like real healing is slow and subtle but you can get some fake healing quick, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean we tell these guys Instagram and I feel better, like I can stare at my phone, do you feel? Better. No, I just feel checked out.
Speaker 1:You feel nothing.
Speaker 2:I feel nothing, you can numb out.
Speaker 1:Plus you know I've said this before Medicating has gotten a bad rap, because if you are sick and you need something like yes, get some medicine, but it's not a sustainable.
Speaker 2:That's the problem it's not a sustainable long-term.
Speaker 1:You know, if you're in withdrawals you need some. You know, take some whatever.
Speaker 2:I need to go to that place for my phone addiction.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I'm sure they have places you need to go away for your phone addiction People do Like people come in for all kinds of process addictions instead of substance.
Speaker 3:Really so it's like substance, really so it's gambling is a big one, but you know and like process stuff it's anything, process and substance do they have?
Speaker 2:people who are like drug, drug stuff, like heroin kind of thing.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, yeah, oh wow. Most majority of people are coming in with the substance thing this place specializes in process, so they specialize in sex addiction, gambling, man gambling. There was one guy that came in with a workout addiction though. Wow yeah, just whatever Like people that, just yeah.
Speaker 2:All of them, all of it, whatever your unhealthy escape is. It's so hard to get past. It's like so much work, yeah, it's just exhausting to get past. It's like so much work, yeah, it's just exhausting.
Speaker 1:and the problem, I think, with our not, not the problem because, like I said, sometimes you need something quick, but the problem with our the pacing of the life that we have, is we just expect, like we just we've lost the ability to wait yeah, you know, I was at my doctor yesterday because I just had a random checkup. It was my MS doctor, so my neurologist, and he's just a neurologist, that's all he does. It's not like pain management, nothing like that. And he loses two people a year from fentanyl.
Speaker 2:Really yes.
Speaker 1:Two people a year.
Speaker 2:Because they're buying pain meds off the street. Yeah, because the things that they're buying pain meds off the street.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because the things that they're taking are not you know, they're not quick enough, and so he's.
Speaker 2:Okay, so they're getting Because they're in a lot of pain.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and so they're just getting what they can. And he goes yeah, I get two calls a year from a corner saying, hey, by the way, I just need to let you know this patient's dead.
Speaker 2:Wow.
Speaker 1:Geez, isn't it?
Speaker 3:yeah well and you think about. It's like when I went through, like you, when you, when I was told I was going to be gone for 90 days, you might as well said 90 years. I mean that felt like yes man, that's an eternity to be gone and but then I look back on I'm like it's a blip on the radar right. It's just like was nothing like it's.
Speaker 2:It went so fast it looks like a mountain, though right, and it took me 40 years to get to this place.
Speaker 1:I'm not gonna fix it in 90 days you know what I'm saying it's like to borrow your language, though you said I was, I smoked people, I was a user of people. So to go away from people for 90 days, it's like yeah, well, that's why they put me on the digital detox.
Speaker 3:I couldn't even talk to my parents, my brother, nothing, because they're like, you'll use them if you talk to them to feel better, so you can't have access to anybody. They're like you've got people, you're not alone, you've got the guy I'm like.
Speaker 1:But I don't want to talk to these guys heroin addicts and crack addicts and whatever else in here. So much better than them exactly.
Speaker 3:I was like they don't, I don't even belong here, I don't, what am I even doing here? You know, it's like you know. And then by the end, they're like my brothers and I'm. You know, you know.
Speaker 2:I don't see.
Speaker 3:I don't see people that way at all anymore. But at first I did.
Speaker 2:That literally gives me a pit in my stomach Just thinking about how much hard work that is.
Speaker 3:I mean yeah, it was. I mean I know it's worth it.
Speaker 2:But I mean, I kind of went through recovery stuff too and it's I just I mean to be on the in. I can't even imagine you absolutely did do recovery, yeah I mean it makes me want to just curl up in a ball.
Speaker 3:It's just so much work there's some ptsd that is involved in it. For me, like I, when I'm out there there's sometimes I have to actively remind myself that I'm not in I'm sure like I'll walk into the spot.
Speaker 3:Well, I actually went when I was out there I went in and audited the. They were doing a group and I in with one of the therapists who now, like I consider a friend, and I was like, hey, do you mind if I sit in, like could I sit in and just with the guys? And so I went in, just participated like one of them. It wasn't like hey, I'm here to you know, just like let's, we talked about denial and all that kind of stuff, but but it was wild. I felt panicky at times.
Speaker 2:I'm not.
Speaker 3:I can leave. If I want to leave, I can leave. I have a car out here, I've got a plane ticket, I've got a family. I'm not trapped, I'm not stuck.
Speaker 1:For my Enneagram 7-ness. That feeling of I can't get out of here was like Well, how many tree rings?
Speaker 3:back. Is that Like two From now? Yeah, I mean, it was summer, august.
Speaker 1:I'm coming up on two years of sobriety, so you're still pretty close to it yeah, absolutely. When.
Speaker 3:I go to the house where I stayed, where it was probably like the darkest moments of my life. It's bizarre to be there. I'm just like. It feels so weird. So we did an alumni event when I was there last time and a lot of the guys came back to that house for the first time and we had to process a lot like the guys were like this is freaking me out.
Speaker 3:I'll bet, you know yeah but it's so good for me and my sobriety and I don't, I don't. I it's fun now because I love to travel, but I, I love the fact that now there's a there's, I love coming home like I'm not it's not me wanting to escape going there right it feels like meaningful work.
Speaker 3:It's something that, when I decided to do it, our whole family sat down and we talked about it and I got their blessing to be gone a couple days a month and. But I love coming home and I love that there's parts of me that loves being there and parts of me that really misses home from the moment I go to the airport. So, yeah, it's cool. So that's where I was, yeah.
Speaker 1:I didn't do that with you guys about this Florida thing.
Speaker 2:Well, it kind of sprung up. Yeah, I didn't have like a family meeting, though it's okay, but it's yours, it's not ongoing. Is yours long term? But it's not ongoing. Is yours long-term? No, it's not ongoing.
Speaker 1:Well, no, I've got so we've got some friends that were sort of a husband and wife pastor team in Florida and the church has gone through transition, and so they just they said would you come down and kind of just give us spiritual care as we go through this, because there's some hard stuff involved in it.
Speaker 2:And it was weird because it was where we just were.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Playing music.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, that spot.
Speaker 2:I mean, and it was the next week that he was called down there, so it was just the timing was so wild.
Speaker 1:Well, I was doing a lot of phone counseling with them. All the people involved Ended up talking to all the leadership team and finally they were like could you come here and we're learning some new language through this? And so they're actually having me teach the Bible the next, you know, through may. And so I'm teaching on the weekends and then just kind of that's why we wait a minute.
Speaker 3:You're teaching on Sundays. Yeah, oh, wow. So it turned into a lot more than what you thought it was going to be.
Speaker 1:It did, and so it was. It was kind of like you know this trustees with, would you teach and give our whole you know congregation, that language and you know kind of the language of appropriateness and privacy versus secrecy and all that. And so then they were saying well, you know, would you just do that for a month while we do the transition? And so you know, but I mean our kids are 16 and 20, so I probably didn't have to have a family meeting.
Speaker 2:Plus, I mean it's just a month. I mean, true, yeah, yeah, just a month. It's not like you're. You know, he's ongoing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but it's I'm, I mean it, it's hard work, I'm enjoying it. So, uh, between between two of the weekends, instead of coming home here, I drove to a friend's house in Naples, and that's the house where I found out a year ago that dad died, and I didn't even realize it till I went in the house and man, I had.
Speaker 2:I was so wild. That's, he was there and he, we were all in it. Well, hutch wasn't there, but Sadie and her friend and he and I were there and we were leaving. We went to we're going to the airport to fly home and he was going to stay a few days by himself to work and write and stuff. And so we're in an Uber on the way to the airport with some random woman Uber driver and he calls me and tells me his dad died. I don't know, it was just so bizarre, we had just left. It was just weird.
Speaker 1:Well, in that morning.
Speaker 2:So I'm like telling this Uber driver yeah that morning.
Speaker 1:So I'm like telling this Uber driver yeah, I had been texting my dad quite a bit that weekend because I'd finishing up my book and I just want to make sure all the details were right, just like what color was that car? Am I right about this date? I closed my laptop. Send it to the editor. It's done. My part is done. Say goodbye to her Cause we had driven so we'd have a car and I was going to drive home. I was going to stay like two more days and then drive and sat down on a chair, turned on a basketball game.
Speaker 2:Which you always talk to your dad about basketball.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was. I mean, he was watching the same game I was.
Speaker 2:Yeah, when he died.
Speaker 1:Wow. So, anyways, two weeks ago, when I walked back into this place, there was that chair. Oh wow. And Drew, I couldn't sit in it. I didn't the whole time. I didn't even sit in the living room. There was just something like. It still makes me a little bit panicky. Yeah, just to go. Oh God, this is where this happened. Now, good thing is I didn't get awful news this time, but I was like, yeah, no, this, yeah, this is painful, you know it's going to be that, that.
Speaker 1:And these sweet people they always are like yeah, they're so sweet you know one weekend a year they're like hey, do you guys want the condo or whatever and so we'll be back there, but it just feels like it was just also hard because probably you were alone.
Speaker 2:Again, I was, yeah, and it you know I don't love being alone.
Speaker 1:I mean, I, I do. I like the work and the traveling, but I'm a pack animal.
Speaker 3:I like having my pack yeah, I I'm throughout the summer. I'm gonna, when I make the trip I'm gonna be taking like jamie's gonna go with me, I'll take a kid, like if I can take a person with me in the family, that makes all the difference. I love that's. It helps me feel more connected at home. I get quality time, like, even if they all can't go, if I can just take one person yeah it feels pretty meaningful.
Speaker 1:I'm the same way yeah, hutch flew down to be with me this past weekend and play music at the church and uh, it was fun. He led worship and I taught and that was really that's cool it was really cool. Anyways, it was nice having him there. He saw where I was, you know. Yeah, hey, by the way, I know we don't have much time here, but, um, I got upgraded to a tesla I'm in of course I'm so in with the tesla you love it. Oh my god, what about it? Do you love everything?
Speaker 1:it's so intuitive. It's like driving. It's kind of like being in a video game and I was in stop and go orlando traffic and I put on the auto steer and I just play on my phone and it just kind of goes free. I don't think you're supposed to do that Well, I mean, we're going five miles an hour.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it drives itself. Yeah, I heard it's pretty punchy, the EMFs man. I don't know, I don't know about it.
Speaker 1:You said that like the EMFs man.
Speaker 2:EM. I know what that means Glasses.
Speaker 1:They look great.
Speaker 2:Thanks, these are actually prescriptions. Yep, really Yep.
Speaker 3:They're not readers. She moved into the dark side. They didn't help you with the stairs earlier.
Speaker 2:That's because they're bifocal and I literally you can't do stairs in bifocals until you get Just for context, are we looking at five stairs over there?
Speaker 3:You're looking at one Four and you tripped twice coming down them.
Speaker 2:But I was carrying two drinks.
Speaker 3:That's. Every other stair is a trip.
Speaker 2:Didn't spill.
Speaker 3:It's not like a massive staircase that you were falling down.
Speaker 2:Well, that's good. Four stairs. Thank you, Lord Jesus, because that would have been bad.
Speaker 3:You scared me. I was sitting here watching the whole. Thing.
Speaker 2:I had to think I just would have got up and left.
Speaker 3:Don't you wish you would have been filming? I just would. I can't deal with it Incompetence Jennifer breaks a hip before the podcast. I'm out.
Speaker 1:She breaks a hip.
Speaker 3:She is old, I think you can still take a fall. You're not at like hip breakage stage.
Speaker 2:I think I mean, I'm in pretty good shape.
Speaker 3:Well, you know, we have that your arm you might break.
Speaker 2:I can break some stuff, but I mean I think overall.
Speaker 3:When you break your hip it's kind of like, yeah, you're I heard a statistic that dang.
Speaker 2:I wish I could remember the numbers. But your number one, mortality, um thing is like. The thing you have to focus on is toe strength. Oh, come on, listen, babe, don't believe, so you don't fall this yes, you can live without toes. It's not that it's because when you get older and you fall and break a hip or something, a lot of times you end up dying.
Speaker 3:And is it toes being weak that makes you fall?
Speaker 2:Yes, I'm telling you, it's true.
Speaker 1:I know, but the breaking hip thing isn't half of that. An old person breaks a hip and then they fall well it no, not always. That's what I've heard, you know it's like fall and break a hip, but actually you're like it probably was just broke from yeah years of pressure well, yeah, so my stepdad, he broke his femur falling down the stairs, but he broke his femur first. He broke his femur playing golf that morning right, and then he fell down the stairs and then he fell on the stairs.
Speaker 2:But interesting listen, he fell down the stairs. But listen, it was a legit podcast. It wasn't like a random fringe one, it's like a full-on, legit. It was a doctor talking about it.
Speaker 3:Dr Drew, did they tell you how to strengthen your toes? No, because I'm curling them in my shoes right now, because it was just a little clip.
Speaker 2:I know I am too. I know they said it's so important as you age to really. And they said then you work your way up Ankle strength and hip strength.
Speaker 1:My toes are so long I'm good they're weird, I can pick stuff up with them. I have little piggy toes, like when I get out of the shower, I pick the towel up with my toe and hand it to myself.
Speaker 2:See, you're probably working on your toe strength and didn't even know it.
Speaker 1:I pick up my towel, hand it to me Dude that's impressive.
Speaker 2:Pick up my towel, hand it to me, I'm like a monkey, that's impressive. Yeah.
Speaker 3:I just pictured you doing it.
Speaker 2:It's something to see yeah awesome.
Speaker 1:I've been watching monkey, like you know, since John Mays was on. You know John, remember John was all into the animal, yeah.
Speaker 2:Animal death.
Speaker 1:So when I see animals, john will send me animal videos very rarely, but even just a couple of them now on my feet as animals man, the monkey thing is such a mind bender, that one driving the golf cart.
Speaker 2:Yes, I mean, they're so much like people. Did I send you the one of those that, whatever, that I don't know, the breeds With the nipple, with the nipples.
Speaker 1:They're like straws. Yeah, I don't know how their nipples work.
Speaker 2:They had two nipples, but they were like straws coming out. And the little baby was sucking on both of them at the same time.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Eating.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they're like cartilage or something it looked so horrible.
Speaker 3:Does all of them have it, or is this just one deformed monkey?
Speaker 2:No, I think. Then I saw another video of one. Their nipples just get real long from the babies. I think that baby could have nursed from across the table.
Speaker 1:But seriously, I feel like I could be looking at a monkey and be like, yeah, you kind of look like me, you know what I mean? It's a weird-.
Speaker 2:I told you about that guy I met in Franklin who had a spider monkey and he said he had an orangutan. Did I tell you this?
Speaker 1:Yeah, because remember I know that guy Made breakfast.
Speaker 2:Yes, comes in and makes itself food.
Speaker 1:What comes in and makes itself food, what? That's weird. Yeah, I wonder that's weird. I mean there's, if it's making food, there's some stuff you could like take out, the trash monkey, exactly.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean you could train it to work for you scratch my back my friend used to say I had the, my one friend growing up. She was so weird who's? This carrie okay she wanted snap, crackle and pop. She wanted to own them so they could be her little slaves oh, from the from the cereal from the yeah, she's like I wish I had pop
Speaker 1:are they those from? Are they little people?
Speaker 2:from smacks rice krispies rice krispies.
Speaker 3:Are they little people?
Speaker 2:well, they're little? Yeah, I think so. Oh, I don't know what they're. They're cartoons.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it wasn't like our friend that hired. You can hire little people to cater your event here in Franklin. This is terrible. This is so legit. He did it and they walk around with sombreros on and you eat chips and salsa out of their hats. Are you serious? He's like yes, I had them cater a party.
Speaker 3:That is so terrible. Right now, you, we're like, really, he's like. He's like, yes, I had him cater a party wait well, you, right now, you can hire them.
Speaker 2:You know this person. You do know this person yeah, that hires them, we'll tell you afterwards, we'll tell you afterwards you we but right now I could go on a website absolutely I mean this was years ago. I guess probably 10 years ago. Yeah, I'm not sure they still do it yeah, that may not be it's definitely not.
Speaker 1:He had them cater a record party.
Speaker 3:That's amazing.
Speaker 1:It's not John Mays. I don't think John Mays is hiring midgets or not midgets.
Speaker 2:What are they? What are they now? Small people, I don't know. We just our little people. Audience is gone now the dicks and trans.
Speaker 3:And the little people. Now, way to go, babe. We're pretty soon, we're gonna have nobody left.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're gonna offend them all. Yeah, listen, the gospel according to jeremy is way offensive we got that one guy who is so offended, who's he, no, he, we lost him, we lost, yeah, he's.
Speaker 3:He hasn't been around for a long time.
Speaker 1:I don't remember he was. He was mad about something random I don't know spider.
Speaker 3:I think that's the internet password.
Speaker 1:Okay, so were there cicadas in Denver. No not when I was there. This is crazy.
Speaker 3:It's loud man, is it just in the south? Yes, is it just a south thing? No, florida.
Speaker 1:But I could hear them on the phone when I was talking to her. I was talking to her. I was like man, that's.
Speaker 2:It's real loud, it's crazy loud.
Speaker 3:It hurts my ears to go outside when I got out in your driveway there's something right here was the most deafening. I've heard it yet was in your driveway.
Speaker 2:I think it's because we have that woods section behind this yard.
Speaker 1:You said it's the loudest one that gets to have sex.
Speaker 2:I think they're trying to attract their mate by being the loudest one Jeez.
Speaker 1:I wish it was the quiet game.
Speaker 2:I know right.
Speaker 3:Don't they live under the ground at all times?
Speaker 2:Yeah, they live under the ground for 13 years or something. Then they come out and shout their heads off.
Speaker 1:So I had one sort of when I was driving today my top was down and I had one kind of get lost and kind of come in my car for a minute.
Speaker 2:They're blind, they can't see it was so quiet.
Speaker 1:I was like You're gonna die alone. It was like I'm like oh my gosh yeah.
Speaker 2:But once they get up, I think they get to the highest point, and then they scream here I am, ladies, come and get it.
Speaker 3:Is the guys.
Speaker 1:I think, so Calling them.
Speaker 2:I think so.
Speaker 1:You know what's gross? The chickens eat a ton of them.
Speaker 2:Oh, the chickens are so happy.
Speaker 3:Really they're feasting on them.
Speaker 2:They love them.
Speaker 3:I need some eggs. By the way, I brought my cartons.
Speaker 2:Oh sweet, we have so many, we have so many eggs.
Speaker 1:Jamie loves it she sends me with the.
Speaker 3:She said don't forget, get some eggs.
Speaker 2:Oh good, gosh, all right, oh good. Oh well, that makes me feel better. Jamie doesn. She likes the eggs.
Speaker 1:Yesterday she and I and Sadie probably spent an hour talking about people that hate us Like we went through the list of people that hate us Was Jamie on the list.
Speaker 2:No, but maybe she should have been.
Speaker 3:No, but I mean there, I like Jamie yeah.
Speaker 2:She didn't like me apparently.
Speaker 3:I don't blame her. No, I don't know. She's not ever told me she likes you or dislikes you.
Speaker 2:Wow, I'm nothing to Jamie. Yeah, invisible, that's worse than hating.
Speaker 3:She's pretty neutral that way. She's funny though she's the Enneagram Nine of like, she doesn't think about people because she doesn't think people are thinking about her.
Speaker 2:She seems like she's just very easygoing.
Speaker 3:Yes, the Nine anger is real.
Speaker 2:Listen, I have have a nine, I have a very close nine to me, and the anger is real yeah it's legit. I always thought it was negativity.
Speaker 3:I was like so negative, it's just not. It's just it's anger that she doesn't know she holds it inside for so long. So by the time she communicates it, instead of just being able to like say what she wants or needs, she's already furious because it's that is exactly like my nine.
Speaker 1:Well, twos and nines have a ledge and once they get over it, like once they go over it, the people that don't know that about them they're so they're like whoa, where did that come?
Speaker 2:from.
Speaker 3:Like, yeah, I think people would be surprised, but Jamie's not like. She never loses control or anything. It's never like. It's not like when I lose control or whatever.
Speaker 2:It's loud and big and angry, but it's like whereas most people would let their anger out slowly over time.
Speaker 3:It's like nope no.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like that.
Speaker 3:It's surprising. Where did that come from? Why didn't you just tell me that you wanted that? You know why did it come out that way? So?
Speaker 1:with fire coming out of your ears exactly my enneagram teachers taught me that the nine has got an internal pond and their their goal is that pond doesn't have any ripples. They don don't want any rocks, whether they're emotional, physical. Don't throw any rocks on my pond. That's why they avoid conflict. They're like no, I want the pond to be serene and when it is serene they're the best people to be around, like the easiest. But you throw some big rocks in there.
Speaker 2:Or even little ones. That's why.
Speaker 3:I love traveling with her. Vacation with her is so great. It's so peaceful, like it's just. She's so easy to be with. I love hanging out with her but you're right, and I think with the kids specifically, over time she knows she's almost like bracing for the fight before it happens. If it's like a clean your room thing, there's not really ever a request that's not already made in anger, because she knows the pushback she's going to get. She doesn't want to fight about it, she doesn't want to deal with it, but nobody's going to listen, unless I, you know get angry about it.
Speaker 1:And so, yeah, do your kids keep a clean room.
Speaker 3:No, my, God, it's like we're just failing.
Speaker 1:Where did it happen? How does it happen? I mean well, because it's so bad. He looks like he's been robbed. He's trying.
Speaker 2:Like drawers are like he's been trying a little more.
Speaker 3:We could in our girls' bathroom, we could charge admission for people who wanted to have like a mission trip experience before they left. Like you can pay a lot to go to Haiti or just come over and use our bathroom. It's the exact same Like our guests.
Speaker 2:It's bad and I thought same, it's bad.
Speaker 3:My son is the cleanest in the whole house.
Speaker 2:Wow.
Speaker 3:He showers before he mows the grass and then showers after. He is almost like neurotic. That's awesome.
Speaker 2:If you met Hutch, wouldn't you think that's how he would be?
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:He's not. But Sadie likes her room picked up, but she doesn't care if it's dirty, like she'd never dust it but hutch, though.
Speaker 3:I don't know the reason why I paused, because, like I saw hutch in downtown franklin not too long ago and he had a very like, cool but unkept vibe okay, like an la vibe yeah like. I don't, I don't really care what I like. It was like he had one like piece of hair. Yeah, man, that one piece of hair. Always the hair thing was problem.
Speaker 2:It was going crazy because you know why he parts it over here. But this one piece is decided. It just doesn't stay, it just flops.
Speaker 3:But it was cool. I was like, oh no, that's, he's a cool guy, he doesn't care, he just kind of out here, I mean. But he was still like fashion, for like it was was like, and I was wearing the same exact outfit from the last time I saw him.
Speaker 2:He noticed and he knew.
Speaker 3:Oh, the first thing he said.
Speaker 2:Did he really?
Speaker 3:Yeah, well, I said he's such an elitist. I said something like well, I walked up to him and he was with like his old youth pastor or something that lives in town, now they're hanging out. I was like oh town, now they're hanging out. I was like, oh, andrew, hutch, dibler, something like that, and he goes drew. And I was like you don't know my last name. He said I don't know, I don't, or something like that, and he's like, he's like I still love the corduroy, because that was what he said he's like still love the quarter. I was like, oh no, it's the same outfit. He's like, yep, exact same outfit, oh, that's awesome.
Speaker 2:He's not letting you off the hook. No, he's, a's a good kid.
Speaker 3:Well, you know I didn't watch our dogs. By the way, you never responded to that text.
Speaker 2:Because he's watching Andrew's dogs that same time.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I meant to tell you.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:What does a?
Speaker 3:dog sitter, get paid Too much.
Speaker 2:Too much Because well.
Speaker 3:Is it per day? 50 bucks, a night on the low end.
Speaker 1:Oh, my God.
Speaker 2:So if we're gone for two weeks. That's a big chunk, that's unbelievable.
Speaker 1:I mean, you know, babysitters are like 18 bucks an hour.
Speaker 2:You need me to come stay and watch your dog. I need you to go stay and watch your dog. Really Well, I'm in Florida.
Speaker 1:All right, everybody. This has been fun. We will be back next week with another episode and a topic, but this time I just wanted us to catch back up. Talk about life, rfk glasses, denver.
Speaker 2:We didn't get to talk about New York, we didn't even talk about New York.
Speaker 1:Maybe we'll talk about that next time, alright. Because, that's a thing. Mom went, you've got Jennifer and Sadie who, when they go to New York, their goal is to never be in the room, and my mom went and my mom's like, yeah, I'll just stay in the room.
Speaker 2:Well, we'll talk about it next time. All right, nice teaser Everybody.
Speaker 1:so I need to say this because all the podcast hosts say this. So YouTube comments are great. If you could review us on the podcast channels, that'd be great.
Speaker 2:Like and subscribe.
Speaker 1:Like, subscribe, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what they say Like and subscribe, and we'll do another comments episode here pretty soon. We need to make sure.
Speaker 2:Sorry, we were MIA.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you hate that too.
Speaker 2:Oh, I hate it because I rely on my podcasts to come out every day, you know, every time.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we didn't even give up, we just disappeared disappeared.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if we, if I'm, if they miss a day or uh, you know whatever, and it makes me really mad.
Speaker 1:So I'm sorry well, the disappearing thing, that's kind of par for the course for us I mean we've said before. We'll put it in the show notes, and we've never had.
Speaker 3:We've never done that literally show notes, schmo, notes, yeah, yeah it's just like the thing you say.
Speaker 2:I don't think anyone does they actually do, because I look at them they do.
Speaker 3:I was listening back to one of our episodes not too long ago and I left a whole section in that was meant to be edited, did you really? Yeah, it was the one and we didn't say anything bad. It was the one where, like all the cameras were freaking out there's no, I took because, remember, it happened more than once and the first one I took out. I'm like we're good and the second one is in there and it's like it's like three minutes of us like being pissed that our cameras aren't working off the mic.
Speaker 3:It's great, that's awesome to me. It was my favorite part of the whole podcast. I was like, but I was bracing myself for like, oh no, what did I leave in there that? Shouldn't be in there we didn't say anything bad, it was funny that's a shocker beason.
Speaker 1:We wait for the cameras to be rolling for that one beason asked me to come to an enneagram talk on tuesday night for um the leaders of solo parent and he introduced me and it was great and I did like a I do like a 90 minute intro to the enneagram and then at the end he came up and he wanted to be like hey the evil enneagram.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's right's right.
Speaker 1:So he's like hey, by the way, everybody you know Jeremy does some counseling and coaching and you know it's been great, and also that he and his wife and their friend Drew have a podcast and it's called the Gospel, According to Jeremy, and he was about to say. He actually did say that. He said it's the funnest podcast conversation I've ever had, so he was very complimentary, but he started to go it's about and he goes it's kind of about nothing, but every once in a while there's a good nugget in there that you can take from it.
Speaker 1:But he goes. It's kind of odd because it just really has no point.
Speaker 2:That's what he said. That's so funny.
Speaker 1:I love that.
Speaker 2:Sadie said yesterday does this thing have anything to do with the gospel? And I was like Listen to you, judge. We also told Judgy she goes. Well, it's called the gospel.
Speaker 1:Sadie wants a job, she wants money, right. And we said you know there's an Easter egg in there that you know we put in there If you listen to it and you tell us the time stamp and she goes, how many would I have? How many episodes are? We're like well, it's not in the first five or six, but they're. You know now 30 episodes and she's like it's not worth it she goes.
Speaker 1:It's not worth 50 bucks all she would have to do is listen to the podcast and make 50 bucks nah, it's not worth it all right, everybody like subscribe all that stuff. Um, yeah, this, this podcast doesn't have an. What's the name of your uh marketing company? All right, everybody Like subscribe all that stuff. Yeah, this podcast doesn't have a. What's the name of your marketing company, drew, I'm trying to think of a drink.
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Speaker 2:Peace out, waterspout Peace out, thank you.