The Gospel According to Jeromy
Welcome to "The Gospel According to Jeromy" podcast, where faith, humor, and heartfelt stories collide in a lively conversation about life, love, and everything in between. Join your host Jeromy Deibler, along with co-hosts Jennifer Deibler and Drew Powell, as they share the Dieblers journey from being the acclaimed Christian band FFH to their current path in spiritual direction.
In this engaging and candid podcast, Jeromy, Jennifer, and Drew offer a unique blend of perspectives on spirituality, mental health, emotional well-being, and personal growth. Drawing from their extensive experiences on the road and life's ups and downs, they explore the joys and challenges of faith, all while sprinkling in some humor along the way.
Get ready for spirited debates, deep dives into controversial thoughts, and heartwarming memories as they invite you into their world of faith, questions, and spiritual exploration. Whether you're a longtime believer, a spiritual seeker, or simply someone looking for meaningful conversations, "The Gospel According to Jeromy" podcast has something for everyone.
Tune in to join the conversation, laugh, learn, and be inspired as Jeromy, Jennifer, and Drew navigate the twists and turns of life's spiritual journey. It's a podcast that's as diverse as their experiences and as authentic as their hearts. Subscribe today and embark on a captivating exploration of faith, laughter, and the adventure of the human spirit.
The Gospel According to Jeromy
Moon Landings and Memorial Day
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When my father passed me down his old work shirt, little did I know it would weave its way into a conversation about Memorial Day and the profound way we honor those who've made the ultimate sacrifice. This episode isn't just about remembrance; it's a tapestry of laughter and reflection, weaving through the idyllic streets of New Smyrna Beach to the curious etiquettes of fridge politics at home. Who knew that labeling your yogurt could spark a family debate, or that an inherited shirt could hold such a narrative?
Venturing deeper, we touched on the spiritual metamorphosis my parents are wading through in their golden years, challenging long-held beliefs within the conservative church community. Their journey, contrasted with the often humorous side of faith and leadership, unfolds like an open book, inviting listeners to consider the evolution of their own beliefs. We navigate through the concepts of empowering leadership and raising children to find their unique strengths—a universal challenge that transcends religion and redefines what it means to guide.
And what would a conversation be without a little nocturnal quirkiness? From the unsolved mysteries of the 'pee shelf' to the polarized debates over the moon landing, this episode is a foray into the peculiar habits that color our nights and the elusiveness of truth in a divided world. Dive into the depths of our laughter and learnings, where even the most mundane topics spring to life with wit and wisdom. All this and more is just a play button away in a chat that promises to entertain as much as it enlightens.
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Speaker 2:What a party you want to just apologize now for the whole episode, that we don't have to say it again you know what? You probably apologize, never apologizing to you again welcome everybody to the gospel times. Sorry, did I?
Speaker 1:please. I got yelled at by someone, but well, other than just you. Just now, a hair and makeup girl.
Speaker 2:One time was like stop apologizing you went pop caller listen oh, tell the story of that shirt this is my dad's's work shirt. Oh, it's a cool shirt, isn't it cool yeah.
Speaker 1:And my mom, just she had it and I was like I want that I wear his shirts a lot.
Speaker 2:This is the gospel, according to Jeremy.
Speaker 1:Are we?
Speaker 2:rolling With Jennifer Deibler and Drew Powell and happy Memorial Day weekend to you.
Speaker 1:Oh, so you know this, this is gonna be a weird question, but what are we memorialing? I was just thinking about that, aren't we memorize, memorizing? We're memorizing people who died in combat that's what it is right, okay, because because veterans day is for people who have served okay and memorial day is for people who died died, but my dad died, probably from stuff from military okay, so it applied to him not really, but what's?
Speaker 2:weird in the parades and stuff where it's a lot of firefighters and well, that's just fireman right. But I was like, are we remembering first responders?
Speaker 1:oh, maybe maybe it's only war, I think it's it's only war.
Speaker 2:I think it's military Army or military it's just military People who have died in service. Okay, not just war, because in church we make people stand up that are serving, but they're not dead. That's.
Speaker 1:Veterans Day. That's Veterans Day, not supposed to do that on Memorial Day. There's a difference. Yeah, just a couple days ago, not days ago, years ago.
Speaker 2:There you go, um, make sure you get his shot right, well, yeah, so happy memorial day to everybody. Uh, I'm still back and forth. Uh, you know what I like. I've figured it out what do you?
Speaker 3:new smyrna beach yes, that is like new smyrna you know what I like how did we never go to winter?
Speaker 1:freaking park winter park's great, but how did we never go to New Smyrna Winter? Freaking park Winter park's great, but how did we never go?
Speaker 2:to New Smyrna Beach. All that time in Florida.
Speaker 1:Don't tell people about it.
Speaker 2:We'd never been there.
Speaker 1:It's for the locals only, which we're not. He's bored. I'm drawing a Jewish star. Why? Why? For Israel. It just came to my mind.
Speaker 3:Oh, no, my mind, no, I just no, I just was drawing it. I like the doodle are you? Uh, he's sleepy dude, it's a sleepy time no I'm with you, I'm engaged, we are, I mean we're. This is big new samarna guy, yeah, so we're we're.
Speaker 2:We're at 3 30 nashville time. We've all had days today. I had, uh, two meetings this morning. I'm sure you had meetings, jennifer. You had what did I have.
Speaker 1:You didn't have a lot of meetings today, yet. No, I didn't have a lot of meetings.
Speaker 3:That's why you got more energy. Well, maybe I was up very late, though, and you've had a couple coffees, and what's this?
Speaker 1:That's tea.
Speaker 3:Of the green variety.
Speaker 2:I'm drinking one of Hutch's. Hutch came in the other day carrying a 24 pack of seltzer water.
Speaker 1:Spindrift Walks in the front door.
Speaker 2:He usually walks in the front door, immediately goes upstairs. He walked in, came into the kitchen with his seltzer water. Put it in and goes. Can this be mine?
Speaker 1:I paid for it.
Speaker 2:We're like oh, we're doing that now. Yeah, we're doing the other night I bought.
Speaker 1:Hold the cones from trader joe's. You know those little ice cream cones okay he finished, he polished off a whole box of them and he goes that was the last one and I was like, oh okay, so those will be yours too.
Speaker 3:He goes oh yeah, yeah emory does that, she'll, she'll like, and even bentley. Bentley now, because she can get up to walgreens.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh. She walks, that's true, because you guys are so close fun.
Speaker 3:Yeah, exactly so she'll come back with stuff and put her name on, but she'll target emory. She'll be like emory, do not drink my, because she knows emy's the culprit always.
Speaker 2:That's awesome, do you know, if somebody did that, I would immediately drink it 100%. If someone put my name on something and said Jeremy, stay out.
Speaker 1:See, and you accused me of that I would not.
Speaker 3:I would be like I would not. But that's your thing. If someone tells you not, you have to do it.
Speaker 1:But he says I'm like that, but I'm not like that as much as he is.
Speaker 2:Really.
Speaker 1:No, I would never. If someone said this is not yours, I would be like okay.
Speaker 3:That's more of a learned behavior in college. When you go to college, that's a big deal. If we were living in an apartment.
Speaker 2:If you and I were living in an apartment and you got something and you put Drew on it, I'd be like, yeah, he paid for it, that's his, it is yeah, but when your 20-year-old comes in, who pays for zero?
Speaker 1:food-wise. He pays for his own stuff.
Speaker 2:When he's out he pays for stuff and he asks us for very little and he says can these be mine? I hope he's listening right now and I hope he hears that I'm drinking his Spindrift.
Speaker 1:He will never be listening to this, are you?
Speaker 3:actually right now drinking the thing he said not to drink Currently.
Speaker 2:I put this in my Wawa cup, but currently I'm drinking the thing he told me Because I needed the bubbles.
Speaker 3:Is there more? I'd like to have one.
Speaker 2:Those look really good. You want one, we want me to go get you one you guys can keep going.
Speaker 3:I don't trust you with the stairs.
Speaker 1:That's true, these glasses on. That's true.
Speaker 2:You need to stay put you want me to go get him one and you guys have to talk.
Speaker 1:I want one too. Can you get us one? Oh, this is awesome. Woo-hoo Party on Hutch. We should talk about Jeremy while he's gone. He's such an attention whore.
Speaker 3:What headspace has he been recently, Jeremy? I don't know.
Speaker 1:With his travel. He's lonely, is he really?
Speaker 3:Even though he's around a bunch of people down there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but he likes to be around me.
Speaker 3:He's lonely for you.
Speaker 1:He's lonely for his peeps. Even if we don't talk, he just likes to be in the same house. I get that I always think I'm the one that likes to be alone. But give me about 24 hours of that and I'm like, okay, I'm bored. I've been very bored but it is.
Speaker 3:It is your people, though. Like I'm good at being alone, but it's it's the family, it's the people I'm. I've hit that issue. This is great. Thank you, hutch. Thanks, hutch for purchasing our beverages.
Speaker 2:She said. She said you were lonely when you were gone. I really was. Yeah, I mean, I like my pack. I do like to be alone, but I like the proximity of my pack.
Speaker 1:I've really noticed how much I don't like to be alone lately. You did tell me you missed me. I have missed you really bad.
Speaker 2:Aw guys, that's awesome, that's new though. Because she usually really does like some space.
Speaker 1:Well, but you've got to remember too that we have always, always worked together.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and so I've never had space in my life. We're not together nearly as much as we used to be no, and that's why you wanted it.
Speaker 1:You wanted to draw on it.
Speaker 3:I didn't think about that, but now that you have it, it's not working. No, I literally. It looked refreshing.
Speaker 1:You like to draw on things. You've done that in several podcasts that.
Speaker 2:Star of David's pretty controversial right now.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I know, I didn't even realize I was making that. But, now I'm enclosing it.
Speaker 1:Now, what's it going to be? A pentagram? No, that would be five points.
Speaker 2:We have a friend that he went and got a tattoo when he was young. It's our friend's son and he came to the house and I was like I was like Zach, do you have a pentagram on your arm? He's like, yeah, it was supposed to be a star of David, but it got I messed it up, he got a pentagram. That sucks, that's so great.
Speaker 1:Do you know how many people, though, tattoos are so hot? Right now, they are really more than ever.
Speaker 3:They're always hot no, when we were kids, oh yeah, no one had tattoos.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but you know that comes and goes, right, I mean. So I have a feeling that's what we all need to go into is tattoo removal well, you know when we were kids.
Speaker 2:We do have to remember when we were kids. He's coming up a decade after us so they weren't as taboo for him? No, they were taboo when we were kids.
Speaker 1:I's coming up a decade after us, so they weren't as taboo for him. No, they were taboo when we were kids. I mean like you the only people that had tattoos were prisoners yeah or people in the in the navy dad was very, a very conservative growing up.
Speaker 3:He's not anymore, but he was growing up like my dad would have entertained getting a tattoo really, which is like a huge deal because he was a no alcohol. No, because he grew up in a highly conservative, he couldn't even go to the movies. Oh wow, my grandfather. He asked one time to go to the movies. I think it was like Bambi or something playing.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3:And my grandfather was like you can go, but if you go I'll have to quit the ministry. He was a pastor. Oh my gosh, it's all shame. Dad was like, well, I'm not going to go, dad.
Speaker 2:I guess I don't want to be responsible for that, jeez you know and I'm not saying this is your story, but I have a couple of clients, one that I'm really close to that same story. When she was growing up, parents were hardcore. Actually, two of them Parents, were really conservative and this is just what they did, and this is just what they did. And then in her adulthood, like almost like sort of after she moved out the parents started to really like loosen up and it's really hard for her because she's like where was that when I was a kid?
Speaker 1:A lot of people are going through that now.
Speaker 2:So the parents are now doing the things that they said were like downright sinful.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And she's like what the heck is this all about?
Speaker 1:I feel like alcohol us growing up. Alcohol was very taboo. Well, not for me Well that's true, nevermind you don't aren't included. But for me and for I mean but your aunt Cindy didn't drink at all.
Speaker 2:True, but she was, she was the she, she was the out Because Verna drank, Mom. I mean, we had a working tap, a working bar.
Speaker 1:I know that your parents did, but even some of your family didn't drink at all. True, true, true. And now they all drink.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and just like my family. I mean, it was very much. I'm the only one in my family. Now, that doesn't drink.
Speaker 1:My parents don't drink your parents, drink now.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:How weird is that. So it's not hard for you, though, like you're okay. No, I'm totally fine, I was not. It's actually been really cool because my parents have, in the last even few months, have been like going through like a reawakening spiritually.
Speaker 1:That's cool.
Speaker 3:It's very cool and they just they've been in like the American conservative church system their whole life and they're getting the retirement age and they're like, hey, looking back on it, it just hadn't served us.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that brand hasn't served us very well and they're exploring like I will.
Speaker 3:I'll say, like the central things that are they're not waiting on, but like there's things that my dad will have, conversations that he'll be like man. I wish have known this years ago in ministry just how to like pass for people and show up for people and are you also like I wish you would have known it no, I'm out of that. I went through resentment phase, did you, but not anymore. I'm just really grateful that they're in, at their age, what they're modeling you know freedom yeah, and evolving and learning.
Speaker 2:My dad's in his seven, mid seventies and he's learning new things about what it means to follow the way of Jesus is awesome, cool, yeah, I think, I think the the two clients that I'm talking about, they they're both girls, well grown women, and the stuff that their parents are doing are things that they would have been kicked out for doing.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And so they're like yeah, it is and they want. They want to enjoy the parents the way it is, but little them is like what the heck? Like this invalidates this whole structure that you made like church on Sundays, wednesdays you know, and they're like what, what was that then? And and I think it would be maybe different if the parents tried to do some amends and be like hey, we're so sorry, you know what I mean? Like we were, but they're just like but moved on, it's almost like it's almost like like it's the same.
Speaker 2:I don't want to say symptoms, but I hear the same language from adults whose parents stay together and then they get divorced.
Speaker 1:It's like well, what was that all about?
Speaker 2:And they're just like we moved on. We're happy. Now we're like wait a minute, what?
Speaker 3:about my I can see that. I see that standpoint, I think, because we, my brother, when I say we, my brothers and I kind of already blew up the church thing. We, I think because we, my brother, when I say we, my brothers and I kind of already blew up the church thing, we were already past that. So we were kind of mom and dad were late to the party. We just were happy they showed up to the party at all. Yeah Of like. Hey, this didn't work real well for the Powell family, like let's look around at the three boys, we all in our 20s, 30s and 40s, you, you know it wasn't a great showing, yeah, from the pal kids. So I think mom and dad kind of were forced to evaluate, like hey, what didn't this?
Speaker 3:didn't really work for us like we got a lot of, you know, scar tissue and baggage and there's a lot of damage, like just a lot of stuff, and so I think it forced them to look at it when we did as kids and yeah and they never. They never um like left their faith or anything it wasn't like they, yeah, but they just thought, hey, there's got to be a better way to of living this out than what we thought so right I like the move because, like, I don't want to be part of a whatever we call it christianity belief system that's defined by what we're against.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know what I mean. Like, like, we're watching all this stuff with Hamas. Well, hamas's main goal in life is to exterminate Jews. Like they are defined by against, and I hate, I don't, like, I don't want to be part of something that's defined by what we don't do. I want to be defined by what we do, do, do, do.
Speaker 3:I love that you just said do, do, do, do, do, do. We're like we definitely can't let that slide yeah.
Speaker 2:We're defined by what we do do.
Speaker 3:I'm still just a middle school boy at heart.
Speaker 2:Well you actually are you definitely are. More than the rest of us. Yeah, you actually are. You definitely are More than the rest of us. I'm the only man here. The joke on the tour bus.
Speaker 3:Was that she's the only man here. Well, I mean, the cool thing about for my parents? They were always very loving, grace-filled people, I think. Because we were in leadership, church leadership, and my dad's parents were my mom's side of it, everybody was in church leadership. I think what they've come around to is just the um, the workspace stuff, the striving stuff. Like hey, if I check all, if I check these boxes, then God will give me peace and give me blessing and give me all this kind of stuff. And it was very like self-denial, but you know the surface level version of self-denial, which means you know, basically not think about, not care for yourself, yeah, right, and so um. So I think they're coming back around to more of a hey, like this, this systemic, like people in leadership who can't actually show up and be honest. Yeah, we have a lot of skeletons in the Powell closet and we weren't allowed to talk about it.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:In hindsight, we're like man. That's why that should have been the place we could talk about it.
Speaker 2:Bring those skeletons out, yeah man, I just picture like a closet full of those biology classrooms.
Speaker 1:Is that what you picture?
Speaker 2:That's when I think of all the Do you know what I think of. When anyone says skeletons in the closet, I think of opening a closet door and just seeing Seeing those things on stands, yes, a line of actual-. Interesting.
Speaker 3:Bites it too, bones banging, but you're a bone collector, so you probably think Something different.
Speaker 1:No, you know what I picture, you know how, like If you see a glow in the dark Person in a suit.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:With just the bones show up. It's like a cartoon.
Speaker 2:That's what I picture Talking like black light performance. Yeah.
Speaker 1:But it's like a happy skull face. That's what I picture.
Speaker 2:Did you see the rat skeleton In our living room?
Speaker 1:I don't know if it's a rat. I think it's a squirrel.
Speaker 3:Squirrel skull. No, mine sure didn't.
Speaker 1:No I'll definitely be showing you that later.
Speaker 3:You found it recently.
Speaker 1:No, my dad had it. My dad had it in his pile of junk in his barn and I took it.
Speaker 2:Well, she went to Montana for a week with a-.
Speaker 1:You told him this.
Speaker 2:Did I tell you this, and she came home with a bag of bones.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Bag of bones.
Speaker 3:That's my wife. That's not necessarily normal behavior.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't. Normal behavior does not apply to Jennifer and I like it because it's fun and funny and keep you know it's fun, it's quirky, for sure.
Speaker 1:Is it quirky? I mean just the bones are quirky, even though I would like to kind of be in taxidermy. That's sort of weird. Bag of bones is quirky at best, that's a good band name. It's kind of creepy Bag of Bones. Bag of Bones, bag of Bones. Yeah, the Skeletons in the Closet thing. That's the kind of music it would be. What Bag of Bones.
Speaker 2:Is it Bluegrass?
Speaker 1:Yeah, probably.
Speaker 2:That's a great Bluegrass band name Bag of Bones I.
Speaker 3:I felt like Back of Bones is like more heavy metal, but whatever it could be, blues too.
Speaker 1:Oh, I see Heavy metal. I feel like.
Speaker 2:Just like death rock.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:One of my meetings this morning was about leadership and I was telling the guy because we were talking about? Well, weren't we talking about leadership just now?
Speaker 2:Your parents and leadership, oh yeah, kind of oh yeah and leadership. You know, it was one of those nuggets kind of thing. He didn't even wasn't making a big deal out of it. He was doing a talk one time and he said you know, true leadership is actually about the people. It's putting everybody around you in a place to be their best self. And it was like light bulb for me.
Speaker 2:I was like, oh my gosh, every time I've ever heard of leadership, I've thought about like a guy with a flag going, here we go. I, a guy with a flag going, here we go. I'm the leader. You know which way are we going? You can't lead blah, blah. And he was like. When he said that, I was like, oh my gosh, that's so true. The best thing you can do is put people in a place to do a great job. Same thing happened with the person I was with this morning. I said that I you know I didn't take credit for it and he's like I to write that down, like these little, like nuggets of like Leadership is it's so overrated?
Speaker 3:I think, yeah, in America we just like especially in the church world I come from, it's just so glamorized Like leadership. I mean, I'm just I've had it, I've had enough of leadership.
Speaker 1:Because you think it's partly because people want fame.
Speaker 3:It's ego, it's control ego. It's all that fame. It's ego, it's control ego, it's all that stuff, it's leadership is what it is.
Speaker 2:Hey-o, it's leadership. Oh, got him, isn't it though?
Speaker 1:Getting canceled.
Speaker 2:I was actually. So then I'm kind of ruminating on this on the way home and I was thinking about that what's the is it proverb where you train up the child in the way they would go, which is a formula that it doesn't work?
Speaker 1:But I was thinking, if Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. It doesn't always work.
Speaker 2:Well, it doesn't work it doesn't work.
Speaker 1:To treat it like a formula.
Speaker 2:It doesn't work if you're going train up a child in the way-.
Speaker 1:If I keep them in church and buckle them down, I feel like it's like Well, there's a lot of discrepancy around the way they should go.
Speaker 3:What is the way they should go and I go right, I go.
Speaker 2:Okay, if you, if you know them and you put them in a place like I was actually thinking, okay, does this apply? If you put a child or a kid in a place where they succeed, they will have that for the rest of their life, like, like they'll. But if you try to train them up in the way you think they should go, like once they're old they'll like our son Hutch. He's super coordinated, he's a great skater, great surfer, but he doesn't like competitive sports. If we were to train him up in competitive sports as soon as we he would have just let it go.
Speaker 2:He'd have been like I don't care about this, Like he would have just let it go. He'd have been like I don't care about this, Like he would have departed from it. But if you, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Does that make sense? Yeah, but it's such a shame, it's such a waste. Well, he could be such an amazing athlete.
Speaker 2:But what if we tried to train?
Speaker 1:Sadie up. What if we?
Speaker 2:tried to train Sadie up in algebra and we were just like we're like we're we're I mean we're a family of accountants.
Speaker 1:What if we would have done what I?
Speaker 2:wanted, which is what.
Speaker 1:Gotten them all riding horses. Why are we whispering Because she's in the other room and I don't want her to think I'm disappointed in her. Do you think she's listening to this?
Speaker 3:From the eavesdropping there's no. Okay, he's going to get pissed when he walks in and sees us drinking his Spindrift? Yes, he is, it'll be awesome actually, I know I'm kind of hoping he busts us.
Speaker 2:I'm hoping he does too, but you know what I mean. Like if we would-.
Speaker 1:We should take a selfie of all three of us holding one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'll Venmo him Okay.
Speaker 3:Well, it't that like you all can Venmo him too. We should get all of our.
Speaker 2:We should give out his Venmo and get everybody who listens to this to Venmo him like 49 cents 49 cents and he'll be like what the crap?
Speaker 3:What is all?
Speaker 2:this we should. We'll put that in the show notes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, can I give up my Venmo? I?
Speaker 2:don't know. I wish you would actually.
Speaker 1:I mean put that into show notes.
Speaker 2:Your.
Speaker 1:Venmo. I'm wearing my dad's used clothes. I need to go shopping.
Speaker 3:Oh my gosh, Wow so we don't ever put anything into show notes. There aren't any show notes. What are show notes? I will, I'll remember this time.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, for sure, sure, okay, that's absolutely false. You're not going to remember, don't lie to us 100% will not remember, I'll forget before this conversation is over.
Speaker 2:You know what You're wearing? The same thing you wore last week. Yep, I don't even attempt.
Speaker 1:That's how you roll. This is your black on black.
Speaker 3:I was thinking I'm the worst producer of all time because I show up with a memory card. That's what you bring and I put it in the thing. I don't think about the show Half the time. I leave stuff in the show that should be out.
Speaker 2:We do it at my house, we do it at your house on all your equipment.
Speaker 3:That's why he stopped introducing me to the producer. Now I'm just a friend.
Speaker 1:That's true. It makes more sense.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But you do do the whatever do you do. You do the computer whatever you do know. Yeah, I click a few buttons there. Yeah, man, jennifer, and you're not earning the big check that you're getting?
Speaker 3:no, I do get what? Six eggs, eight eggs every time I come over, probably 12, is it 12 eggs?
Speaker 1:yeah, I mean, do you bring two little cartons?
Speaker 3:yeah, are they six each. I get 12 eggs.
Speaker 1:I mean do you think you get four or six and one and two and another?
Speaker 3:I thought it was four and four oh no, it's six and six.
Speaker 1:You know what's funny is people think we make money on this. I've had a couple people say you make money doing that. We don't make money, it costs money On the podcast.
Speaker 3:People think we make money doing the podcast. Oh, I thought you were talking about the eggs.
Speaker 1:No People think we make money doing this podcast. A big waste of time. Nobody's making any money. It's costing money. Well, I get clients contact me. Okay so that's it. That's it. What if?
Speaker 2:you guys learned that I was quietly monetizing it, you'd be like this bastard.
Speaker 3:I was like, yeah, it's not making any money and I'm like got some kind of side thing going For real.
Speaker 1:With all the so many listeners we have.
Speaker 3:That's my business model Talking to people and doing a podcast and then quietly making side money. They're like this doesn't make anything. I'm like, yeah, there's shirts out there with gospel according to Jeremy, on them you stumble across one. Oh shit, I'm mad at it. You're like wait, where did you get that?
Speaker 2:Drew Powell Enterprises actually or Ignite or what's your thing called.
Speaker 3:You've got to read the fine print. Amplify.
Speaker 2:Amplify, man, that sounds like a youth group name, though. Are you going to Amplify tonight? It does.
Speaker 1:Some of them are so dumb.
Speaker 3:Some of those names that they come up with.
Speaker 1:Remember, inversion was such a weird one for the singles group at Fellowship?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It's probably still happening. No it's not, it's not, okay, good.
Speaker 3:No.
Speaker 1:That was a weird name Inversion.
Speaker 3:Inversion.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I never understood it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Stupid names Christians. We are so weird with our branding.
Speaker 1:Somebody was telling me the name of the church they go to in Nashville is Zeal.
Speaker 2:Zeal. Yeah, that sounds like an alcoholic drink. It sounds like Like Zima.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, get me another Zeal. Doesn't it sound like a drink?
Speaker 2:A little.
Speaker 1:Like a canned alcoholic drink. It's better than the Gate, yeah, the Gate.
Speaker 2:We've got one down here called the Gate, which evidently is a great church, but it sounds like a freaking. We've got friends that go there.
Speaker 1:We did it sounds like a cult.
Speaker 3:It does sound cultish. The Gate.
Speaker 1:I used to watch this show called the Path on HBO. Yeah, and it was it sounds like that is very culty, and that's what it was Churches and names.
Speaker 3:What is that all about? Not a good look.
Speaker 2:I don't know, did we have a?
Speaker 1:topic for this week.
Speaker 2:You know, here I was reading one of my clients was reading pagan Christianity. It came out like I don't know. I think we talked about this, but they talk about like churches, weren't that? It was hundreds of years before anyone ever had a church building. It was just people. Imagine that. Imagine that, Just people hanging out. Well, that's what Francis Chan wanted to do.
Speaker 1:I wonder, if there was no building and stuff, if we would do it like personally, if we would go.
Speaker 2:I bet we would.
Speaker 1:I wonder. I mean, I don't know, when would we go, like if we were back then, if we lived back then and it was just people and we had to deal with people, you think we'd go?
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, christianity was a sect of Judaism, so they went to the temple.
Speaker 1:You, just you flippin' just said Right, no, no, that was early, early.
Speaker 2:Remember, because Peter's like what should we do and Jesus is like well'll go to the temple and worship.
Speaker 1:If we would have lived when there was nothing but people, we'd have gone.
Speaker 3:Well, have you guys been to the Holy Land before? Surely you have no.
Speaker 1:No, have you yeah.
Speaker 3:This is great. It's great, it's amazing. Everyone should go.
Speaker 1:Because, oh, you better get on it Because they're about to blow it up Because they.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1:River to the sea it.
Speaker 3:Well, I just made that into a verb River to the sea it.
Speaker 1:It's a verb now. Everything's a verb to.
Speaker 3:Jennifer.
Speaker 2:Let's river to the sea. This thing?
Speaker 3:Well, I will say it does. It's a perspective shift because we put it through the filter of our lives here and it's nothing like this, like it's so tight quarter, like that's the thing. Like cars ruin church. Yeah, because now you drive to the church.
Speaker 1:You have your preference.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, you don't have a choice of where you went to church then, or it wasn't even a place you go. You're just where you're living, like it had been. Like hey, jeremy, like you, you're you're living right there, yeah, like where jesus would walk to the temple, especially around the Galilee area. It's like they were just small little communities.
Speaker 3:It's just so tight and it's like, oh, over there is where the Beatitudes happened. And then over there is where, like you know, when you're in the Garden of Gethsemane, you see the gate that they were coming through out of Jerusalem to come get Jesus. Like Jesus would have saw the whole thing happen. It's right there, isn't? That wild and we picture like oh, they're coming to get him and he's in this garden.
Speaker 1:It's like, no, it's all like in the. It's visible. How big would you say?
Speaker 3:the garden would have been.
Speaker 1:Like an acre? Was it like an olive grove or something?
Speaker 3:Yeah, maybe half an acre, I'm thinking Half an acre.
Speaker 3:Wow, because I picture like a valley between that and the gate that they were coming out of. You could stand where Jesus would have been with his disciples and you would look and be like well, there they're coming, I can see them. They just came out of the gate, now they're coming down. It was just all right there, wild. Yeah, you could walk from like where where david, the house david was, and where all that went down and where, like, the trial was happening with, like peter, all these, it's all walkable, it's all like so, like in our minds we're picturing oh well, that had been over here and over there. It's like so, like the whole. The way we do church and community is so different because our community is now based on do I vibe with these people? Are they cool? Are they my people? We wouldn't have had that option. It would have been whoever's living here and there and over there and there.
Speaker 1:And you would have just dealt with it. They were like family, it was kind of like you didn't have a choice. If you didn't like them, you'd learn to like them.
Speaker 3:And then the church was so disruptive because they had just this total different way of living. It was basically socialist.
Speaker 3:I mean, it was like let's just put everything in a pot and take care of one another. And everyone was like, hey, I want in on that. That looks awesome, looks like it's working for you guys. And yeah, there's a really interesting book and I'm not gonna be able to remember the title of it, but a buddy of mine gave it to me. I started reading it and it was like oh right, and the government of the day was begging the christians to stop, like. It was almost like there was writings that was like hey, we don't want to have to do this, but you're so outside of the box that we're gonna have to like, crack down on you, on like from a government standpoint and they're just like.
Speaker 3:no, this is the way that we feel like we're meant to live, but I don't even know how to get persecuted in Franklin. Oh my gosh, how would I go? When you talk about being a follower of Christ, you'll suffer persecution. How do I? It would be the opposite. How would you get persecuted for your faith?
Speaker 2:A contractor with the Jesus fish in Franklin would get more work because of the Jesus fish.
Speaker 1:For now. I mean, I think it's.
Speaker 3:Well, we make our Christians famous in Franklin.
Speaker 1:Don't you feel like, though about 20 years ago it was more so?
Speaker 2:I don't know.
Speaker 1:I do.
Speaker 2:Not here.
Speaker 1:I don't know about here, I don't know. I think you just made more money at it. I mean, I think there are places in our country where that's not true. You wouldn't want a Jesus fish if you live in the Bay Area.
Speaker 2:Well, maybe that's true always, though.
Speaker 1:Right, I'm just saying there are pockets where it's like, ooh, no. I don't know that you get persecuted, but you just wouldn't advertise it.
Speaker 2:I feel like Jesus fish has always been a good thing.
Speaker 1:I don't think In certain parts of the country.
Speaker 2:Elaine, somebody stole Elaine's Jesus Fish Kramer.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, it wasn't hers, it was Putty's Jesus Fish.
Speaker 2:Oh, she told her, somebody stole my Jesus Fish.
Speaker 1:I don't remember.
Speaker 3:I've never gotten into that show George liked.
Speaker 2:Christian music.
Speaker 1:No, no, no Putty. Yes, he said Putty.
Speaker 2:George said I like.
Speaker 1:Christian rock. No, it was Putty. It was Elaine's boyfriend, putty, I know.
Speaker 2:But there's a whole other episode about George didn't like.
Speaker 1:Christian rock. We're going to have to find it because I think you're wrong.
Speaker 2:No, I've twice, I think. Yeah, you know these, these ancillary writings like uh, you know, I know this is going to sound heretical to people, but it really is interesting to read these other writings that talk about the same people. In the bible I was reading, I was digging into nicodemus. You know the guy that came to jesus at night. He was there at the end. He helped with Jesus's body. Like he, he got it eventually. He's the whole one that said you got to be born again and he eventually changed his own mind and I love that stuff.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:That's like so cool.
Speaker 3:Here. This is a little off topic, but do you guys watch the Chosen?
Speaker 1:No, I have not. We want to we. We want to. We want to. Should we? Is it good? Don't like it I can't get it.
Speaker 3:My wife, jamie, will watch it and just cry. It's so beautiful for her. When we talk about period pieces, I think that's what it is. I just I can't. Oh, you guys are dumb, I can't get in, I just can't. I've tried and it's probably fine, but Jamie it. But Jamie is moving for her.
Speaker 1:There are a lot of people like that. Very moving for her. I'm watching this is way off the topic I'm watching Palm Royale.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, I watched it all.
Speaker 3:Is that moving for you?
Speaker 1:It is. It actually kind of is because the set design is unreal. I mean it's really, it's good anyway, but the set design is so beautiful and so well done Anyway, but it's period piece, it's 60s, and he hates it, I don't mind the 60s oh, you'd watch that.
Speaker 2:I mean, they have electricity and stuff.
Speaker 1:I mean there's a lot of gang stuff in it.
Speaker 2:I don't like pioneer stuff. Oh man, I don't like how we're romanticizing the pioneer period, because I don't think any of us would make it yeah, but if you watch, if you watch 1883, the yellowstone one, they do not romanticize it.
Speaker 3:It is horrible well, yeah I mean, maybe it's so good I just I can't get into it and I think there's a part of me that contrarian me, like when it comes to chosen, like I don't really want someone to like interpret it for, like give me an interpretation of how literal maybe, and I again, I, I'm like I need to probably watch it before I make judgments on it, because it's only. I've only seen it like the first, like few minutes, and then I fall asleep you know well, there it's getting a bad.
Speaker 1:People are saying it's heretical. Now too, really worse everything that gets popular yeah, it's heretical.
Speaker 2:Christians find a way to be against they do, they do.
Speaker 1:It's so frustrating.
Speaker 3:But for Jamie man, it really has brought some of these stories to life for her. She loves it. It's super cool.
Speaker 1:Our pastor in California. He was that way. I mean he and his wife loved it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he wanted everybody to watch it.
Speaker 1:They actually did watch parties at the church.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:They loved it. You guys seen unsung hero, yet I don't know what it's about. Small bone family. Did you like it? Oh yeah, I. I have a hard time seeing these christian music ones really yeah, I feel like I'm gonna get hit from just the world. Like should I say that? Like a hard time with it. I didn't see it. I have not seen any of. I didn't see the mercy me one. I didn't see any of them jesus music you might like well, that's different I'm talking so much history
Speaker 3:I'm talking the movies the jesus music thing is funny because they show these pictures of like all these people sitting down to talk to them, but they don't play the oh, they don't play their interview no oh weird like there's moments where they'll show like people sitting down and you're like, well, it didn't show, like almost like they meant it for it to be like an eight-part series, but they didn't get around to making an edit on it or something.
Speaker 1:Did you see Unsung Heroes?
Speaker 3:I did. We took the whole family to see it.
Speaker 1:Oh wow, you didn't mess around.
Speaker 2:It is about Smallbone family.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's about Smallbone family.
Speaker 1:They're coming to America. It was made by. She's in it.
Speaker 2:I heard some of the King and Country. They're going back and doing duets with Amy and Michael and they sound great. They do.
Speaker 3:They do Place in the World. Place in this world is great. Yes, it sounds amazing.
Speaker 2:And then they do, saved by Love, I think, or Lead Me On.
Speaker 1:Man, they do Lead Me On. Okay, we talked in the last thing about Amy. That is the best Amy Grant record, yeah on is the best.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 2:It was cool because a lot of amy grant content.
Speaker 3:Well, we talked, I mean we should have her on.
Speaker 1:Oh, don't even joke.
Speaker 3:That would be so great. She would probably do it. That's the crazy part. I love her so much.
Speaker 1:All right, when I saw the lead me on tour which I saw all of her, most of her tours, but oh my gosh, it was so well done your birthday's june 14th.
Speaker 2:Let's can we figure?
Speaker 1:out her birthday. I don't know that I would just sit here and stare at her.
Speaker 2:Do you, can we figure out a way to get Amy on for Jennifer's birthday?
Speaker 1:I mean Amy.
Speaker 2:Grant has been mentioned at our house probably more than any other artist ever. She, we both love her, but Jennifer.
Speaker 1:Oh well, she's the reason I want to be a singer. Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2:You know how many people probably say that.
Speaker 1:Oh, absolutely.
Speaker 2:I feel like she single-handedly gave us our industry.
Speaker 1:Oh, totally.
Speaker 2:We, all of us, owe it to Amy Grant.
Speaker 1:Absolutely.
Speaker 2:She's great, michael too, but we owe it to Amy Grant. Well, amy, I mean yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean there's a lot of other people too. Correct, but she made it pretty mainstream.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she took some shrapnel for it too, didn't she? Oh she did yeah. Yeah, big time Shrapnel. That's a good word. Have you seen the app you can get where you? Basically it's like a vocabulary expander. It's supposed to be really good for you. Yes, and it gives you different words to say.
Speaker 1:I want to do it, but it costs money, two bucks I.
Speaker 2:I want to do it, but it costs money, two bucks, I don't know. Your drink is probably four bucks.
Speaker 1:That one was free.
Speaker 2:That was Hutch. Hutch bought that one. This one cost me 50 cents. I bought her other one. That one cost you 20 years of this one well, I'm out of this.
Speaker 1:I need to get more tea.
Speaker 3:Don't let me forget. That is a huge-.
Speaker 2:You're going to be able to sleep Now. Let me finish. You've never wet the bed Ever.
Speaker 1:Haven't I? I'm sure I did when I was a kid. You only have accidents when you're awake.
Speaker 3:That's true.
Speaker 2:You put her to sleep, she's not going to pee ever.
Speaker 1:I peed my pants one time at school when I was still going to school. It was horrible.
Speaker 2:You peed your pants when you were a kid, yeah.
Speaker 1:At school, at school, one time From laughing oh man, you must have really got going. Man, that's the only times I've ever peed my pants Is when I'm laughing really hard.
Speaker 2:Man, I could make my mom all pee her pants. I would hug her and pick her up, and it was just like and spin her around. It was like squeezing a sponge. She was like I'm gonna pee my pants.
Speaker 3:Jeremy, you made me pee my pants. She sounded like she smoked first, so it wasn't like from laughter, it was literally a Well it was funny, she was laughing, but it was funny, but she peed her pants quite a bit.
Speaker 2:What is that?
Speaker 1:saying, oh, it's tracking.
Speaker 2:I never so she can and this actually gives me panic to think about.
Speaker 1:She can go to bed having to pee.
Speaker 3:Oh, you just hold it through the night.
Speaker 1:I mean, yeah, I don't want to get up well, I mean, if it were strong I'd have to get up. My mom calls it a p shelf. Remember she used to tell us yeah I have p on the shelf and it's rolling off.
Speaker 2:I forget how she explains she lays down and then it.
Speaker 1:Then she has to pee, yeah oh yeah, it's sitting on the shelf and then when you lay down, it rolls and you have pee.
Speaker 3:I've had that conversation in my head before, though, Like do I want to get up?
Speaker 1:versus can I make it?
Speaker 3:But then I'm like but then what if it's three in the morning? Then I got to get up. That's worse.
Speaker 2:And then, after you've gone through all that, you're like just get the F up. It's the last. I need to get my chapstick. I got to get my and then pee and then get in bed.
Speaker 3:I mean it's like Because you're always going to pee before you get in bed, always, it's like a triangle, no matter what?
Speaker 1:Last night I was like, hey, are you going to? What did I ask you? Are you going to put your machine on Because you're your CPAP? I'm going to get up and peed After about two hours. I don't know, two hours later I was like you need to put your machine.
Speaker 2:I got up and peed.
Speaker 1:He finally got up and peed. That's how he sounds. Yes.
Speaker 2:I hate my CPAP.
Speaker 3:Really I hate it.
Speaker 2:Hate wearing it. I do and I probably sleep better. I still do wear it.
Speaker 3:But I hate it.
Speaker 1:What do you hate about it? Because I'm getting ready to get one.
Speaker 2:Well, it's the tube, the. I mean it's just the circle, the whole thing it's just like how do you turn over with one? You can do that like okay it's just a long tube yeah I mean, I like a spaceman well you do got to turn over towards it, which reminds me sorry what I said spaceman keep going about spaceman.
Speaker 1:Did you guys watch the joe rogan?
Speaker 2:no, are we doing this?
Speaker 1:I'm sorry, we don't have to. I just that you ask me what and I'm answering you well, now you got to talk about it the guy talking about going to the moon, that's all how we didn't.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's conspiracy.
Speaker 1:Uh, it's kind of a conspiracy the other way. We actually did go. That's more of a conspiracy the other way.
Speaker 3:We actually did go.
Speaker 1:That's more of a conspiracy that we did go. If you'd hear the yeah, if you'd hear this.
Speaker 3:I thought that's the whole deal, is the conspiracy, is we didn't actually go.
Speaker 1:Well, that's what I'm saying. There's so much evidence that we didn't go.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That the conspiracy is actually that we did go because we couldn't have gone.
Speaker 2:Like it's impossible, there are also legit recordings of them filming what should be. And so what the astronaut says is we had to recreate these Like we had to, which?
Speaker 1:they're coming out with a movie about that. Did you hear about this?
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:It's Channing Tatum and Scarlett Johansson.
Speaker 3:So these astronauts were in on it the whole time.
Speaker 1:That's what they're saying and he shows videos of them like really struggling and kind of wanting to tell the truth and you can tell that they're lying. And I mean, if you'd see it you just need to watch it.
Speaker 2:Are you saying, though, that okay if it's, if it's by percentages, and you leaning we didn't, or you're leaning we did?
Speaker 1:I always said I think it's very odd that they say we can't go now because the technology. But we had the technology then that always felt off right. Yeah, there's no way our technology thought about this.
Speaker 3:I've thought about it more right now than I have my entire life. I mean, I'm blown away by this right now.
Speaker 1:I've never thought about it before in my life.
Speaker 2:I just found out just now. We went and then didn't go. We went to the moon. That's the roller coaster I'm on right now.
Speaker 1:Wait did we go or not? Wait a minute. Moon, what's the moon?
Speaker 3:I never knew it was even up for debate.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh, you did Really.
Speaker 3:No, the moon, I never knew it was even up for debate. Yeah, oh you did really.
Speaker 1:No, I did. I knew there was some controversy around it, but well, that whole radiation belt thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but that's the first time I heard of that because you haven't studied it.
Speaker 3:Sorry, I didn't mean to yell at it, I'm just well, that guy has a lot I have almost no anxiety about things that are happening, that have happened in the world or around the world or what all my anxiety is very close to home you're just anxious about your kids and your marriage like I have.
Speaker 1:My friend whether you're gonna fart in front of your wife on accident what are you gonna?
Speaker 3:what fart, fart in front of your wife, one slips out 23 years in I think that you two need to get together light a candle and just fart. Why the candle?
Speaker 1:Because it's like a little experience, like a little.
Speaker 3:Oh, like, like a ceremony.
Speaker 1:Not a seance. We're not conjuring anything.
Speaker 3:Maybe. No, I'm good, I don't want to do that.
Speaker 1:No, I know, I just send you stuff because I think it's funny.
Speaker 2:When you guys go number two, do you light a match after and try to cover the smell up and stuff.
Speaker 1:Nope, no, that's disgusting. Oh, so you don't worry about the smell. I hate the match smell. I think I'd rather have the other smell than the match smell.
Speaker 3:Potpourri, too, is awful yeah all of that crap. It just smells like whatever flavor it is with poo.
Speaker 1:Exactly, are toilet water now Poo-pourri?
Speaker 3:No, that actually the pre-spray works.
Speaker 1:Does that work yeah?
Speaker 3:Poo-pourri, but who can ever remember to spray before you?
Speaker 1:poo. Do you know what it is? It's an oil that sits on top of the water. I heard about this.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:You spray it in the toilet before you go, and then it's just like it's awesome.
Speaker 1:But it's a fake smell.
Speaker 3:I can never remember to do it.
Speaker 2:My pawpaw. He loved this story. He talked to an EMT one time that they did the match thing. So you poo and then light a match to cover up the smell and then put the match in the toilet. So my pawpaw talked to an EMT in Pennsylvania who had gone to a call. This guy had pooed.
Speaker 1:Is it poo or poop?
Speaker 2:Well, I don't know, he lit a match and poo just seems a little nicer.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it feels more delicate. I think poo sounds worse.
Speaker 2:My kids say poo, he had gone doo-doo, lit a match, threw it in the toilet. It blew him through the wall and when the EMT got there his head was in the drywall, he was stuck. Because his wife had emptied out a hairspray can into the toilet. He walked right in, pooed and it blew. And he was the EMT, said. He asked me is my weiner still there? It had blew him off the toilet. What luck Am I still?
Speaker 1:intact.
Speaker 3:My grandpa loved that story so much. I love that story. He just thought that was the funniest thing.
Speaker 2:Oh, pawpaw, yeah and he'd start a story, my grandpa, when he was telling a story, he would say your name, five, six.
Speaker 1:Jeremy.
Speaker 2:And listen, jeremy, now.
Speaker 1:Jeremy Now Jeremy, like Now.
Speaker 2:Jeremy, I'm right here.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I've loved you, jennifer. I love that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I forgot how we even got on that man the other night when I saw RFK, he got up and he apparently he does these comedy nights right, so he'd gotten up at another comedy place. I guess another person was doing a show. He got up at his show and he said he came out and there were 17,000 people there. And he gave a little spiel and he started to tell a joke and his wife came out and just pulled him off stage. She was like no.
Speaker 3:Are you serious?
Speaker 1:Yeah, and so whenever I saw him he was like but she's not here tonight, Did he tell it? He told this dirty joke.
Speaker 3:He wanted you back over it with the dirty joke, oh man, but it was so cute.
Speaker 2:Did he deliver it? I love him, he delivered it.
Speaker 1:He did. He was great and it was like Irish accent the whole. Thing. It was really funny. That is funny.
Speaker 2:I cannot wait for what comes of whatever happens with the presidential debates, because you could blow Biden over with a he just needs a gust. I just picture somebody with one of those things. You know how, if you have a fireplace, you can get one of those things that blows out some air.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm talking about. You squeeze it. Yeah, I don't know about that A billow.
Speaker 2:I mean, if you just went to biden, he would just be like I know all trump has to do is just show up and say hello and he'll fall over.
Speaker 1:But he's not gonna. He's such, if he would just be nice well, not nice, if he would just trump's not gonna debate oh no, they're debating. Well, apparently they're debating I don't know I don't know I don't know.
Speaker 2:you know it's gonna be rough. It's it's going to be rough, it's going to be hard to watch One thing, we haven't.
Speaker 1:It's going to be awesome to watch.
Speaker 2:What are you talking about? We're 31 episodes in and we have not talked politics on this show. Really, if you're Jennifer's finally, if you're listening, jennifer's making all crazy eyes.
Speaker 1:Get my hat on.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean on. Well, I mean I mentioned when I you know, her and I are both really interested in rfk and we have been. I mean she is, she's an og fan and on my newsletter I wrote about it one time and I got people people were mad. People were mad. Jeremy, this is not your thing. Last time I checked, you're not a licensed counselor. You shouldn't be giving advice on stuff like this and I was like so are a licensed counselor?
Speaker 1:what that for real word? Do they give advice on stuff like this? And I was like so our license counselor.
Speaker 2:What that for real word do they give? Advice on politics I don't know, but they're like I'm not anything but I talk about politics all the time you do. You're not nothing to me, you're not a big pile of nothing, wow that's a big nothing.
Speaker 3:It's a brian. So how do you? Here's a question from a, the most non-political person in this room how, where do you go for um like? I was listening to smartless like that the other day and he they had did they have biden on that night? Biden. Oh, they had the, but they had obama and clinton because I just don't think he can make appearances by himself, like on that, like I don't think he can hold his own with those guys he can't even get through a 10 second clip without cuts.
Speaker 1:I mean, if you watch a 10 second clip of him, yeah there are five cuts in it. They can't even get through it.
Speaker 3:But I will say, as I was listening to this podcast, I got ready to turn it off. It's like it was. It was. I thought it'd be funny. Like I actually am curious to hear three presidents get together and chop it up on. Like I want to hear like the dumb stuff, like what? Like I'm not here for like a commercial for any one candidate?
Speaker 1:Are they pooping their pants Exactly Like I want to?
Speaker 3:know, I want to know the inside scoop about different stuff.
Speaker 1:Biden is for sure pooping his pants, but anyway.
Speaker 3:But it was very like it was kind of in the in the guys that were interviewing were very it was very, they were very political. It's very obvious it wasn't like they're trying to have like a fun interview, but anyways, as I was listening to it, I got caught up in some of the things they were saying and presenting as facts and I'm just like I don't know how to and this goes for both sides I don't know how to dispute these quote-unquote facts.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 3:If someone's like. Well, the other side might say this, but we know for a fact that jobs are. There was more jobs than there's ever been in the economy. I'm like I don't know. I just know it cost me an arm and a leg to live and gas is high, but I'm not a political person.
Speaker 1:I just know it costs more to live now than ever for me. Yeah, biden says that he came into office and inflation was at 9%. It's such a flat out lie.
Speaker 3:So is that the thing Like without one side or the other? Are you just getting lied to? Yes, All right.
Speaker 1:You're just getting lied to.
Speaker 2:Are you just now arriving to this?
Speaker 3:You're just getting lied to yeah, kind of so, are you?
Speaker 2:just now arriving to this. You're just getting lied to, yeah, kind of. So the question is where do you go for truth?
Speaker 3:This is the most Enneagram 7 thing I've ever heard, right, that's why I don't say it because, I just figure, both sides are lying to me and I don't actually know where to go to get the right answer.
Speaker 1:Oh right, no, I get that. Well, I mean, their big is because a lot of people don't even report to that agency anymore where they're getting their statistic Right.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:So it's not even real, but is that? True. Yes, that's true. Right, that's my point. How do you know the information you're getting is true that you make, that you're so locked in on, because you I know what if the people are lying to you about the stuff that you believe? Because I'm not getting it from a politician, I'm getting it from several sources who are not politicians and they don't. Oh, that door's open. Yeah, I don't know. It's just because it's, it's just can be traced, I don't know.
Speaker 2:You know, I heard somebody say this about a year ago. I was listening, you know, just trying to get better at what I do, and I was listening to this talk about arguments and stuff, and this person said this thing and I was like, well, that doesn't seem right. And she said well, we know, facts don't win arguments. And I was like, well, they don't. But actually I've tried to pay attention and they don't. No, they don't. For most people facts don't win arguments.
Speaker 1:What does win an argument? Well?
Speaker 2:I don't know. But you know, if you and I argue, we argue about something and then the argument becomes about what we just said. Well, no, you didn't say that and I go. Well, I said this and you go. No, you didn't say that. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:And facts we need a stenographer.
Speaker 2:You are a stenographer, I mean she we have an argument and she goes nope, that's not what you said. It went just like that. I said I don't need what I said. Read back to me, focus on the, the theme, the message right, the overall overarching point but this person is right, like in this, in this thing that I'm doing. So what do you do? I'm trying to.
Speaker 1:I'm trying to do this. What did obama say? Go ahead.
Speaker 3:He said oh people don't on this podcast. He said people don't care In this thing that I'm doing. So what do you do? I'll tell you what Obama said I'm trying to do this thing. What did Obama say? Go ahead. He said people don't on this podcast. He said people don't care about the data, the facts. What they care about are stories. So if someone tells a compelling story about how their life was changed or how something or whatever, that people tend to believe someone's story. Because what is true like politically, whatever you can argue, but like you can't, what I just said, you can't argue with right the fact that it costs me more to live right that's my experience, that's your experience that's my story and that's you can argue all day.
Speaker 3:That's true, like I can tell you. That's true for me. So the reason why that's true I may not know. You can debate that, but you can't debate the fact that the fact that it costs more to put gas in my car today than it used to.
Speaker 1:Absolutely.
Speaker 3:So people's stories matter.
Speaker 2:Your personal experience is the truest thing about you and it's really what you have. This is the whole point. I'm so glad we got here. Oh good, I have just now after 32 episodes, realized that's what this, that's what the gospel, according to Jeremy, is the truest thing about me. You can argue the Bible, you can argue the traditions, but I go. Here's what the Lord did in my life Now.
Speaker 2:Lived experience you can't, you can't like, right, I got sick and my life is better. Well, no, that was the enemy and I go. Well, look, here's all I got. This is what I got. What you're saying is it cost me a lot more to live. So give me all the facts you want.
Speaker 1:Give me all the facts about how you came in at 9%. Now it's 3.4.
Speaker 2:We moved on past that fact.
Speaker 1:I'm saying that's a fact that is being quoted. It's just not true.
Speaker 2:But it doesn't win or lose an argument.
Speaker 1:And it's a lie.
Speaker 2:Well, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1:Well, it's because our lived experience goes. That's not true in my life.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 2:Well, what about going to the moon? I mean, we could have people go. I was there.
Speaker 1:Listen, this is something I'm passionate about. This is true.
Speaker 3:I look at drew and he goes yep, I want to hear what you have to say because, I mean, I'm deeply invested in this go ahead.
Speaker 1:What about the moon?
Speaker 2:well, we have people that just go. There's no way. I mean, dusty sleigh thinks that spaceships are pointed so that they can dusty sleigh and I. He is my favorite.
Speaker 1:I love Dusty Slay. Dusty Slay is a smart man but I think I want him.
Speaker 2:I've asked him twice to be on this podcast. He is my favorite, but he has facts and he also thinks that rocket ships are pointed the way they are so that they can pierce through, or did Nate Bergetzi say that? I think they both said they agreed on it.
Speaker 1:They thought I had to pierce through the atmosphere which, after hearing that guy, I'm like. Well, maybe that is true that's kind of what he said nobody's broken out of it yet makes sense it does, it does. Did you see the northern lights when they came here?
Speaker 3:no, it's laying in bed. No one even told me well, what happened?
Speaker 1:the northern? How about that? It's a bunch of BS.
Speaker 2:What is?
Speaker 3:It's not real, they were running experiments.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, wow, what kind of experiments. I will send you the thing, oh my God, you got to send me the place where you're getting all the absolute truth from Listen.
Speaker 2:I'm my source, because that's where I. Facts.
Speaker 3:I need facts here.
Speaker 2:They don't want arguments. What's the point? That's the name of your podcast. Facts no absolute truth with jennifer dibler yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3:Here's the thing. I'm just going to form all my opinions based on the research you've done I love that, so that's all I want.
Speaker 1:That's all I want is for somebody so what was the northern lights then? It was. It was that um we don't know this.
Speaker 3:She does.
Speaker 1:She's got an inside.
Speaker 3:She's got some kind of secret channel.
Speaker 1:It was a solar flare, it was not.
Speaker 2:And the solar, they were covering it up. That's why all of our crap wasn't working right.
Speaker 1:They were covering it up. It's a big cover up.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Well, for what? What were they covering?
Speaker 2:How many facts would I have to bring to you to even get you to entertain the fact, to entertain the idea that you're wrong?
Speaker 1:The fact you just said the fact that I'm wrong. I don't know how many would I have to bring you.
Speaker 2:I mean To go against the mainstream narrative, but see, you've decided that the facts that are being presented are false.
Speaker 1:I'm not because this is the thing I'm not saying it. I watched it, I filmed it.
Speaker 3:I was excited about it Because you could only see it through your phone, right?
Speaker 1:No, you could see it. Oh you could you?
Speaker 3:could, but I mean, it looked better on your phone.
Speaker 1:I missed it. Why do you just look exasper? I?
Speaker 3:was laying in bed watching Cops.
Speaker 1:Oh, I love Cops. That's on Cops.
Speaker 3:No, I got to go back and get the reruns. Okay, oh man, I'll just chain smoke episodes of Cops, right on.
Speaker 1:That's so odd. That's how I am with ridiculousness. You know why. You know why. That's what I want to know why? Because you're from Florida.
Speaker 2:It's like what?
Speaker 1:Why did I just purr?
Speaker 2:Hey, can we clear something up real quick yeah?
Speaker 1:What's that? That I'm the smartest person you know. No, no.
Speaker 2:Somebody can write this. All right, dom. No, you don't need to write it, I'm just saying somebody can respond and tell us the truth about this.
Speaker 3:Oh geez, the absolute truth.
Speaker 2:But how do we say data?
Speaker 1:Data or data.
Speaker 2:And when you say the data suggests, or the data suggests like what is it plural?
Speaker 1:A data.
Speaker 3:I say data because data was the guy on Star Trek.
Speaker 2:Okay, right Now if you're going to tell me about facts and you go, would you say. I've been looking at the data and the data is or are the data.
Speaker 1:The data are showing.
Speaker 3:The data is showing. Okay, so it's singular.
Speaker 1:I think I've heard it both ways.
Speaker 2:It's kind of like people are saying now, when they say media, they're going, the media are corrupt. I'm like the media are corrupt. The media is corrupt. I don't. The media are corrupt. The media is corrupt Like I don't understand it.
Speaker 1:I don't know. We need Amanda.
Speaker 2:Who's Amanda?
Speaker 1:Amanda Steed.
Speaker 2:Tell us, oh, my editor.
Speaker 1:Tell us, tell us we need your help, amanda if you're listening.
Speaker 2:I realized last week that I still owe you money for editing my book. She edited all four of my season's books.
Speaker 1:We owe so many people money right now. Who else do we owe money? Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2:Our tax lady.
Speaker 1:Plus I mean yeah, I'll give you the list afterwards.
Speaker 2:There's a list.
Speaker 1:There's a list.
Speaker 2:Oh God, dang you guys are in debt.
Speaker 1:We need money. I'll give my Venmo and the show notes this show doesn't make money.
Speaker 2:How many money do we need? I don't know.
Speaker 1:The money are showing how many money do we need?
Speaker 2:I don't know. Are we broke? Maybe I'm obese? Have either of us looked at the bank account lately.
Speaker 1:I did. Today I looked at it today, at some point.
Speaker 3:They shut it off. You have to stop spending stuff, or no yeah. Well, that's usually how we know we're out.
Speaker 1:That's usually yeah.
Speaker 2:One of us calls the other and goes hey, the card's not working, so much to go there and check.
Speaker 3:God. I'm glad that Jamie does that stuff, because she finds stuff all the time.
Speaker 1:I never look. I saw a meme the other day. It said there are two people in a marriage, one that does the money and one that's happy.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm I'm oblivious, that's all. I'm just like, I'm just gonna go out make it and you just decide where it goes our.
Speaker 2:Our life was our life was better when she did the money. Our life was better when she took care our life was better.
Speaker 1:You were the fun.
Speaker 2:You were the one that was happy at no I think the person who spends more money and that's that's not because she shops a lot, it's because she, like she knows who we owe money to I feel like that person should do the money don't you, but you make the money so well jamie is way more disciplined and conservative with spending than I do, so it's better for us to have her like cause I just don't.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm not budget, it's very loose yeah.
Speaker 2:That's yeah.
Speaker 1:We need a budget. Yeah, you need to say that.
Speaker 3:Dave Ramsey.
Speaker 1:I say that, and then I don't want to do it.
Speaker 2:We have a credit card. I know Dave Ramsey doesn't listen to this podcast we talked about him last week but we have a credit card he's somewhere, he's pissed well I think he just feels it. That's just his general disposition. Now, we knew him when he wasn't he wasn't always pissed?
Speaker 3:no, I don't think so.
Speaker 2:I think he's taken a beating and it's made him harden a little bit like he's always on a defensive.
Speaker 3:I don't know. How do you know?
Speaker 1:Do you watch him?
Speaker 2:or listen to him.
Speaker 3:I've listened to some of his stuff, some clips that pop up. We found ourselves at an event a couple of years ago, sitting next to one another and he wasn't the warmest, Really.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah. He's always been kind of prickly, has he yeah?
Speaker 2:We had a lot of fun. We played his Christmas party one year and he and I sat next to each other and we just dreamed and schemed the whole time. Matter of fact, his wife looked at Jennifer and said we lost them. They're dreaming and scheming Because he just has idea after idea after idea.
Speaker 3:We probably would have hit it off then.
Speaker 2:But I'm just a peon, you wouldn't't hit it off. You don't know enough information what is that?
Speaker 1:Oh, about anything, about anything in the world.
Speaker 3:He's like let's talk about something. I'm like listen, I don't know anything about anything.
Speaker 1:He's like but did we go to the moon Drew?
Speaker 3:And now I can say maybe I have no idea.
Speaker 1:It's up in the air. Well, we did before this podcast started and now we did it, and now we don't know.
Speaker 2:Listen, everybody. We're an hour in. I had I was going to do the cards this week.
Speaker 1:We were going to talk about New York.
Speaker 2:I have. Maybe I'll do this next week. We I have, you know, I have some clients, especially right now, that are going through some stuff, and I've heard this phrase probably more in the past two weeks. I'll say how do you feel about that? And they literally say, I don't know how I feel. And so I've got this little tool that I use with these cards, where I just lay words out for people and I'll see if they have like a body reaction to the words. And I was going to do that with you guys this week.
Speaker 1:I asked you real early on if we had a topic and you just blew me off, totally ignored me.
Speaker 2:Let's do the cards next week okay um. Is that how I sound?
Speaker 1:uh, sometimes every time we're in a fight.
Speaker 2:This is the voice I use. Okay, yeah, oh yeah, I make the money I'm gonna do the money that's not how he sounded earlier.
Speaker 3:You have several different voices for him do, do I. Yeah, remember the one you made earlier of him, or did I make that up in my head? I don't know.
Speaker 2:You've been doodling. Look at what this turned into.
Speaker 1:You're not even with us. It's a very faceted jewel. It's cool isn't it?
Speaker 2:That's your new tattoo.
Speaker 3:Ooh, lower back.
Speaker 1:Tramp stamp.
Speaker 2:Oh, I could get this one around my navel. See, right there, those would be good around your nips. You know what you and I are around your naples? Drew and I are both. We haven't even talked about this. We're both trying to eat less food and lose weight.
Speaker 1:You're doing better than I am.
Speaker 2:We should get a tattoo and see how it shrinks.
Speaker 1:Oh, please do not do that. That's a good idea. We should. That's brilliant.
Speaker 2:I'm down. That would be your next one.
Speaker 1:I don't even exist. I know you're not getting one. You're not fun, my next tattoo.
Speaker 3:I don't have an idea on my next tattoo.
Speaker 2:Post Malone.
Speaker 3:Get some teardrops for every pound I lose.
Speaker 2:If it's recovered, 100 teardrops. Are you trying 100? That would be fun If I could lose 100 pounds. I A hundred teardrops.
Speaker 3:Are you trying a hundred? I have probably. I would be. That'd be fun If I could get, if I could lose a hundred pounds. I'm trying to do 50. I'd probably be Gumby ish If I lost a hundred, cause I'm tall, I can't imagine you a hundred pounds.
Speaker 1:I can't imagine you either of you. That sounds ridiculous to me.
Speaker 2:I may have said this on the podcast, but before I moved to California, my neurologist was like look man, if you gain five pounds a year, you're going to be 50 pounds overweight, and I didn't take it as a warning. It was almost like a challenge. Yeah, and I did it.
Speaker 3:Congratulations If I lose 100 pounds and you lose 50, can we do a swimsuit calendar?
Speaker 2:Yes, because that would be awesome, me, you and Jennifer, all right, well, because that would be awesome Me, you and Jennifer.
Speaker 3:All right, so we each get four months down.
Speaker 1:I need to lose weight, then You're good. No, I got to lose 10 pounds.
Speaker 2:I don't even remember the last time I saw you on a swimsuit.
Speaker 1:I don't ever wear a swimsuit.
Speaker 2:You're not old enough to do the skirt. Don't do the swimsuit with the skirt on the bottom.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no, stop skirting it up. We're not doing it. Skirt Summer 2024.
Speaker 2:If you do swimsuit with a skirt, I'm out. You're leaving me the big D.
Speaker 3:And you don't mean Dallas.
Speaker 2:You are too pretty to do the swimsuit with the skirt.
Speaker 3:You're thinking about the skirt.
Speaker 1:I've worn the skirt for a year. What are you talking about?
Speaker 2:That was sexy, though you can't do the mom swimsuit that comes from here. That goes almost to the knees. No, 2024.
Speaker 1:No, baby, just skirt it up. No way hey listen, I'm out of this one. He's threatening to leave me over this.
Speaker 3:He's passionate about this. This is his deal breaker.
Speaker 1:If I do skirt, you're doing speedo how does that work? That is that like you're a threat, that's a good threat.
Speaker 2:I don't want you to wear speedo I don't want you to see that no, you can do the the, you can do the brief, whatever just, you cannot do the skirt or wearing briefs. You know what I mean, though the, the swimsuit with a lot of coverage, or whatever.
Speaker 1:The briefs. What are you talking about?
Speaker 3:Just not the boxer. You can't wear the, you can draw it, look here's the deal.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:This is what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1:Okay, what are those?
Speaker 2:These are straps, the arms come out here. Wow, this is the head's up here.
Speaker 1:Oh, you're drawing it upside down. Yeah, for you to see. Oh, okay, okay, wow, I have a big forehead. That's true to life.
Speaker 2:The skirt.
Speaker 1:Thing is like You're drawing this to scale. Oh my God, here's my forehead.
Speaker 2:We're not doing this.
Speaker 1:My gosh, that's like a Pentecostal woman in a normal outfit.
Speaker 2:That's what they look like at the beach. That's a sundress.
Speaker 3:That's a one piece with the skirt they do that.
Speaker 2:Well, it might have a little cinching right here, you know. But then there's this Honey, what is that? That does not look flat what I'm saying for you. I don't care if you do this thing. You know, here's the. You know the boobs and then the big. You know some girls.
Speaker 1:Oh, like a bikini skirt.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, no, no, you know what I'm talking about, though you normally wear the this. What is happening?
Speaker 1:That's a bikini. You normally wear the bikini. That's a face.
Speaker 2:No, the body goes through there.
Speaker 1:That's a tongue, and those are eyes.
Speaker 3:That looks like a mustache with a dude, wait a minute, that's getting. I wish our people that were listening could see the masterful. Are you serious?
Speaker 2:No, they can't. Nobody can see it. Here's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:This one is painful.
Speaker 2:Well, there's just a string in the back.
Speaker 1:God, that looks horrible, painful. So that one's okay.
Speaker 2:That one's fine.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, you think until you actually see that happen.
Speaker 2:That's Wonder.
Speaker 1:Woman. And then you're like, oh God, skirt, cover the, get the skirt on, babe. Yeah, I didn't notice all those dimples.
Speaker 2:We're not doing the skirt.
Speaker 1:Listen, I need something to cover up all the cellulite.
Speaker 2:No, you don't.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:Something about two years ago and I became orange peel.
Speaker 2:Is that the vitamin you're taking? Cellulite?
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:It looks like it I'm staying out of this one. I'm staying out of this one. Have you heard the people that they're coming up with names, that if they weren't negative, they would name their babies?
Speaker 3:Yes, that's pretty funny.
Speaker 2:Like cellulite or not. That.
Speaker 3:There's a few. I saw that. That's really cute.
Speaker 2:Alright, everybody, but there's a few. I saw that. That's really cute. Yeah, it's really cute, All right everybody Like subscribe Before you unsubscribe.
Speaker 1:Maybe one day we'll talk about my trip to New York. Probably not, though.
Speaker 2:They went to New York. They got to go on stage at Hamilton. It was fun. Wow, there you have it. Do you want to talk more about it?
Speaker 1:No, it wasn't that basically it.
Speaker 2:Wow, sure, well, give us. You're the one that wanted to talk about it. I don't care, I did, but we got sidetracked with so many other things.
Speaker 3:Okay, we covered a lot of ground in this episode. I feel all right, so high quality next week we'll.
Speaker 2:We'll do the new york city recap no, I don't care about it we'll do maybe the cards.
Speaker 1:We'll do the cards if City recap no, I don't care about it.
Speaker 2:We'll do, maybe, the cards. We'll do the cards. And what did we say? If we lose, between us, 150 pounds, we're doing a swimsuit calendar.
Speaker 1:I'm not doing this.
Speaker 2:I have to do 150. Pre-order we're going to put Hutch's Venmo up.
Speaker 1:Don't give him the money for the calendar.
Speaker 3:Send some money to Hutch. We should do a Kickstarter campaign.
Speaker 2:Just put in the notes of the Venmo notes just put swimsuit calendar.
Speaker 1:Okay, no, don't Send him the money for the soda.
Speaker 3:Okay, yeah, send Hutch 48 cents For the spin drift. Yes, so he can go and get more spin drift.
Speaker 1:Okay, that is hilarious, all right, let me, how do we?
Speaker 3:Well, it's at hutch-dibler or something like that I'm sure Are you playing them.
Speaker 2:How do you know?
Speaker 3:No, I don't know, I'm just guessing.
Speaker 1:I think it's just at hutch-dibler, but I'm not sure, I bet it is. I'd have to look, but my phone's being used.
Speaker 2:Alright. So If we had a producer, they would put it in the show notes. They might put a QR code in the show notes or something it's too much work.
Speaker 1:Okay, bye everybody. We don't get paid enough.