The Gospel According to Jeromy
Welcome to "The Gospel According to Jeromy" podcast, where faith, humor, and heartfelt stories collide in a lively conversation about life, love, and everything in between. Join your host Jeromy Deibler, along with co-hosts Jennifer Deibler and Drew Powell, as they share the Dieblers journey from being the acclaimed Christian band FFH to their current path in spiritual direction.
In this engaging and candid podcast, Jeromy, Jennifer, and Drew offer a unique blend of perspectives on spirituality, mental health, emotional well-being, and personal growth. Drawing from their extensive experiences on the road and life's ups and downs, they explore the joys and challenges of faith, all while sprinkling in some humor along the way.
Get ready for spirited debates, deep dives into controversial thoughts, and heartwarming memories as they invite you into their world of faith, questions, and spiritual exploration. Whether you're a longtime believer, a spiritual seeker, or simply someone looking for meaningful conversations, "The Gospel According to Jeromy" podcast has something for everyone.
Tune in to join the conversation, laugh, learn, and be inspired as Jeromy, Jennifer, and Drew navigate the twists and turns of life's spiritual journey. It's a podcast that's as diverse as their experiences and as authentic as their hearts. Subscribe today and embark on a captivating exploration of faith, laughter, and the adventure of the human spirit.
The Gospel According to Jeromy
Scooters and Sobriety
What’s it really like to navigate Disney World on a scooter, or face the peculiarities of Florida life? Join us as Drew Powell returns from his Florida vacation and shares his hilarious stories about local food, high toilets, and the sheer practicality of using a scooter at Disney World. Drew's firsthand experience of balancing park days with resort days to handle the physical demands of a Disney adventure is both amusing and enlightening. This episode promises a light-hearted look at the financial and logistical realities of such a trip, filled with laughter and relatable anecdotes.
Ever wondered about the ethical and practical sides of obtaining a disability pass at Disney? We dive into candid discussions about navigating theme parks sober vs. the surreal experiences of past visits with edibles. From the hilarious challenges of staying on the People Mover to the physical strain even with scooters, this chapter is packed with humorous takes on making the most of a theme park visit. Plus, Drew reflects on his personal journey of recovery and the incredible support from his spouse, Jamie, emphasizing the importance of mutual responsibility and healing within relationships.
Lastly, we share Drew's heartfelt recovery process, highlighting how forming supportive bonds during rehab positively influenced his family dynamics. Alongside this, we talk about existential musings, family decisions, and unexpected parenting challenges, all shared with humor and authenticity. Whether it's the frustration of a bad haircut in Florida, the joys of collecting trinkets at Disney’s Epcot, or the profound realizations about personal growth and facing reality, this episode is a rollercoaster of emotions and insights you won't want to miss.
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Speaker 1:Right. Why do we live here?
Speaker 2:My mother-in-law's house sits empty.
Speaker 3:It's just like what am I doing? How close is she to the?
Speaker 2:beach. Five, ten minutes.
Speaker 3:That's awesome Welcome everybody to the Gospel, According to Jeremy. We are back with Drew Powell. Last week Hutch filled in as producer while jew was on. Drew jew, jew yeah, it's different. Jew was on vacation uh to uh to his home state of florida and it's good to have you back where you belong. Drew thanks, it's good to be back and it was great hooligans wings hooligans had it three times in a matter of about four days, so I did a number on the system, how you doing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's rough, it's rough. I've been struggling.
Speaker 1:That's like you need to do that before a colonoscopy.
Speaker 2:It's kind of a cleanse. It cleansed you out. Yeah, it's a cleanse, hooligans cleanse. I'm going to have a cleanse blue cheese though, that, or the combo, but it does a number on me.
Speaker 3:well, we were down there together, but not together. Yeah, and I saw that you were there and then you, you guys had that funny like praying for you kind of thing and I was like man I could have met him over there. Um, but I I do remember the after effects of it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it can be brutal I kind of look forward to it now it's probably worth it.
Speaker 1:That's part of it you look forward to the cleanse, yeah, you feel better after you.
Speaker 3:It's part of it, you look forward to the cleanse. Yeah, you feel better after Plus, you were probably staying in a place with big, human-sized toilets.
Speaker 2:You were like sweet. I was excited to use these toilets.
Speaker 3:That little toddler potty you have at home.
Speaker 2:The truth is my mother-in-law's toilet. I think she got it lifted when my father-in-law was sick. Oh, or unlifted it.
Speaker 1:It's very high. Does she have to jump to get up on the?
Speaker 2:stage. I don't know how she does it because she's not a big person, but for me it's like literally sitting on a throne.
Speaker 3:I don't know how you Don't. You need the pressure of your feet.
Speaker 1:You need a squatty potty.
Speaker 2:The pressure I mean are you really bearing?
Speaker 3:down. Well, I'm just saying you don't want your legs to be dangling when you're on the toilet.
Speaker 2:You're right, you're really pushing down hard on its feet.
Speaker 1:Well, that's why they sell that squatty potty. It's popular. They say it's good for you.
Speaker 3:I don't like a high toilet.
Speaker 2:I don't like a low toilet either. Come over any time.
Speaker 3:I don't like the little toilet that you have.
Speaker 2:That's like the one you get as your potty training Goldilocks over there with his toilets.
Speaker 3:Well, I'm just like I don't want to miss.
Speaker 2:You just want a normal size toilet.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 1:I don't even want to know how that could happen, but okay, missing, yeah, yeah, you're not going to miss Okay. I should hope not my gosh yeah you're not going to miss.
Speaker 3:So you were there, whole family right, all six for the first week.
Speaker 2:We did Orlando for a week and then all six of us which was fun we did Disney man, that is, did you ride Tron? That. No, I didn't, the kids did. I can't do did.
Speaker 1:They love it I get sick.
Speaker 2:They love it. That is a that is tough. Disney World in the summer oh my for how many days. Well, we can't do it back to back anymore. I don't have the strength and stamina.
Speaker 1:You also have to save for about 20 years to be able to do a day at Disney. That's true.
Speaker 2:Well, how we rationalize it is. So we decided to drive and not fly, so we save a little bit of money there. All of our lodging is free.
Speaker 1:That's true, so we save there.
Speaker 2:So we're like well, our only expense on vacation is really food and yeah, so we spring for that. But no, we did two days. We did Epcot one day and then Magic Kingdom. You know, so we do. We drove down Sunday, monday's a resort day, tuesday's a park, then pool, then park.
Speaker 1:Smart. Yeah, that's the only way to do it.
Speaker 2:And, if you can, I had a lot of shame come up because I actually it's kind of funny but I, um I rent a scooter, do you really? I do the scooter the whole day no way you're talking about rascal like in a seat. I'm in a seat with electric, with a horn and everything dude yes it's the first hour of the day. There's a lot of shame, and then after that you're like I don't know why everyone doesn't do this do you get to go on the rides back like go up the exits?
Speaker 2:no, they've now. They've figured it out, because a lot of people are doing that and getting like first in line yeah pretty much every line fit, the scooter fits in. So you do kind of you just stay in line, but I'm sitting the whole time are you renting it?
Speaker 1:yeah, you rent it. Rent it. Yeah, oh, rent it. Rent it. Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:It's worth every. It's about 60 bucks, oh my gosh. Well then you're the carrier of everything too, every purse every. Yeah, the backpack is on it. That's fine. But I don't care, because I'm not riding. I get motion sick anyway, so I'm not riding the rides.
Speaker 1:Oh, you don't ride any rides stupid.
Speaker 2:They were going from one end to the other. You know you, instead of making the round like doing the thing, oh, we got to go do this. Now let's head back into. I'm like, but I didn't care, I'm just like, tell me where to point my scooter nice it was great. Oh, I bet that was loud, sorry, that's all right um.
Speaker 1:So did you go into the new aquarium at upcott?
Speaker 2:the new aquarium isn't there.
Speaker 3:You told me there's a nemo right since we've been there, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:That's not new, oh it's new to us. That's probably 20 years old.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:Nemo.
Speaker 1:No, not.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you come out into an aquarium at the end. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:That's 20 years old, wow.
Speaker 3:It's well. It's been a while since we've been down.
Speaker 1:I mean Grace is but my gosh, didn't somebody just tell you about this?
Speaker 3:new thing?
Speaker 2:I don't know, I thought so Grace is.
Speaker 1:I mean, she's 19 and we've been taking her since she was a little girl and they've always had it since she's been gone, wow, never mind I'm an idiot, but it's cool, did you?
Speaker 2:do all the countries.
Speaker 1:Do all the countries nice. How was it more?
Speaker 2:boring than before. No, it was great, it was fine, it was fine I there was a couple times where part of me missed, like I had some of those like memory, like oh, germany, I love that beer like germany or whatever, yeah but no, it was cool, it was fine. Yeah, ep got sober.
Speaker 3:Different experience, it's way different I remember having friends in california.
Speaker 1:Who was it that would take a gummy and go to disney?
Speaker 2:yeah, now, that would be cool yeah, I don't know who I don't know I don't remember.
Speaker 3:I remember vaguely what you're talking about but yeah it would be a different experience for sure, that's for sure.
Speaker 1:Hi, can you imagine it's?
Speaker 2:a small world. That's what I'm just thinking, like what it's already trippy without being on anything no, thank you, no, thank you, that's great, that's one of the rides. You go to sleep on that and the spaceship earth. I slept the whole time on that. We went on, so you went on that, I went on it, just to sleep. Yeah, what's the one?
Speaker 1:that you can stay on.
Speaker 2:That's the people mover. People mover I went with.
Speaker 1:Sadie and her friend and we just stayed on it for like an hour and time you just like had lunch or something. No, we just chilled.
Speaker 3:They let you keep going.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they make you get off so if you do not stand up.
Speaker 1:You can keep if you do this, you can stay on. No, that's a hack. It's a hack, I did not know.
Speaker 3:Yes, so if you do this, when you get to the end they're like imagine how many teenagers make up, make out on that oh my gosh like it would be like people mover we were so tired.
Speaker 1:I forget how many miles we walked that day. I mean, you know, yeah well, you don't know actually how many miles you scooted, I could imagine but we're like we just need to get on this thing and ride a while.
Speaker 2:Here's the funny part I still had tremendous back and leg pain after scootering all day. Are you serious? I'm sore. The kids would be like why are you sore? I'm like I don't know, but I'm hurting. I'm a hurting pup. That's hilarious all day. I was like I know, but I'm just, I'm wore out.
Speaker 2:Well, your thumb especially your thumb was sore this hand was cramping from holding his joystick I will tell you, it's an exercise in patience, though, because people there's no spatial awareness, people do not I mean all day long, you're just trying not to run over people and they're. They stop short right in the middle, you're just like really no I didn't hit anybody no, I wanted to. There's that part of me that wanted just to mow them down.
Speaker 1:Teach them a lesson did you honk at him?
Speaker 2:um, I did honk a couple times what would you. I mean what it's a, it's a very it's. The horn is not great, it's just a.
Speaker 3:It's like a bell what would you have done if someone you got into a conversation and somebody's like, yeah man, what put you in the chair?
Speaker 2:that's something you would do fatty ass itis well, they'd also my kids really wanted me to get the the das pass what's that? It's the the disability assistance thing, that's the one that gets you to the front front of the line how much is that? It's not. You just have to tell them, although if they catch you cheating, they ban you for life no because people cheat. I used to do it all the time. They've gotten tighter restriction, but you go up and they can't ask you what your ailment is, and so they can't no.
Speaker 2:So you could just go and say, hey, I need this thing or whatever. Now they have gotten smarter where most people with the wheelchair they won't give you one with the wheelchair now because they you can go to the front of line with it. But you know you could go and say I've got ibs or you don't have to say anything, you can just ask for it. But if they catch you and you're not, you know, but the kids wanted me to do that.
Speaker 3:You could totally do this, I know, but how would they catch you? I don't really know. If they're like well, you have, look at you eating that yeah.
Speaker 2:I don't. That's the thing I think they're just If they can't ask you what you have.
Speaker 1:They have questions that they can ask but you can avoid it.
Speaker 2:So one time I went up and asked for one, because it used to be one. They put your whole family on it, so we would literally just show them this pass and go to the front of the line all day long, oh my gosh. But I got to the guest services and it was the first time I did it Were you scared.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was like I don't know, because I don't like the. I don't know. I just don't like trying to cheat the system. I don't like that kind of thing. That's why I didn't do it this trip. But it used to be such a game changer, the way they had it set up. So I went up to the front and they were like whatever question they're allowed to ask, and I froze, I didn't know because.
Speaker 2:I don't really have anything, it's totally a lie At the time, yeah, and I just looked at her and I said my feet hurt. And she was like okay, she's looking at me, like yeah, so does everyone else's in this whole park. I just said my feet hurt and she was like okay, and hand me the pass.
Speaker 1:You can go up there and say I have bunions.
Speaker 2:Well, you could say, I mean, you could say I've got anxiety, you know. I mean I don't know, I don't think it's hard to get.
Speaker 3:You're in the wrong place if you have anxiety.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, Now that's a hack.
Speaker 2:But now it's. You don't get to the front of every line. Now it just puts you in the queue.
Speaker 1:That's pretty good though.
Speaker 2:But you still go to the front of the line. Once your time is, it's still great.
Speaker 1:What do you mean? So you're in the little thing where they knock you down into little lines.
Speaker 2:Yeah, now they have a scheduling system where you can kind of schedule your place in line, but then you can only have one at a time and then you go to that one, you schedule the next one, but they fill up quick. So a lot of Disney content today.
Speaker 1:Did you go to Universal? No, no, universal's the best.
Speaker 3:Do you think people can hear the dryer running?
Speaker 1:It's the washing machine.
Speaker 3:Do you think?
Speaker 2:I don't know. Will you check it? Same question Washing machine.
Speaker 1:Washing machine, yeah, whatever it is. Oh, if it's the washing machine, it's okay, they can hear it.
Speaker 2:I just love that you had to clarify what it was. It's like.
Speaker 3:Is this question still staying? Unless you get the question right.
Speaker 1:Okay, can you hear it?
Speaker 2:I don't think so. Maybe a little bit. I can't tell. I can't tell if I'm just hearing yeah, I don't know, it'll be fine, I did that.
Speaker 3:I rarely ever use the MS card because I'm mostly fine, but Hutch and I went to Atlanta to see Coldplay and his friend bought the tickets and we didn't know where they would be and I actually did feel I legitimately felt bad that day. That was when you were really struggling. I was really sick, yeah, and I mean I was popped through with Viking anything. I mean that summer I felt horrible, but anyways, his friend had booked the farthest four seats in the arena.
Speaker 1:Were they up against the back wall?
Speaker 3:They were up against the back wall, you could look out and see the parking lot. And I was like, oh my gosh, I don't know how I'm going to climb these stairs. I just felt weak and tired. So I went to the desk and I said, look, I don't have any proof of this, but I've got MS and my seats are at the very top. Is there a way that I could have a handicap seat? And she was great. She's like, yeah, here, let me make sure I have them. And, uh, she's got anybody with you. And I was like, yeah, well, my son's with me. And so we got. But you know, they're handicapped seats. They, um, you'd be able to get out, yeah, so they're right there. They're sort of the the bottom of the you know the mezzanine section.
Speaker 3:It was great, though I went to Hutchins and said, hey, I got these and you know, mostly really accommodating with that stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:But I also. I only use it if I don't feel good. I've used it one at a time on a cramping, and I went to them I said look, here's the deal. And they're like yeah, come on, we'll give you an x a row I always used.
Speaker 1:I used to use it whenever we would fly, because I would get on and wipe it because he has chemo, so I would get on and wipe everything down before he and the kids would come on, but yeah, yeah that's. I would be like, hey, we need pre-board but that's all we'd get is pre board. Yeah and I would never take the best seats. I would just wipe stuff down. Just wipe stuff down, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so man, but I never knew that hack.
Speaker 1:That's a good one.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they've tightened up, They've gotten smarter about it. You actually have to do like a FaceTime with the representative now and like it's a feet hurt. Yeah.
Speaker 3:I learned that my feet hurt. I was like that's the stupidest. What is the? I'm in a bad mood.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she just looked at me like you're kidding me, right? I could just tell in her face like I hate my job.
Speaker 1:She's so disappointed, I hate it. She's like, wow, you should be so ashamed of yourself, as I've got like a turkey leg in one hand and uh she was like well, how about you drop a few lbs your feet?
Speaker 2:would hurt less. I'm stopping at every cart along the way so what do you do?
Speaker 1:at disney you just ride your cart around and eat mickey ears? I mean seriously. Yeah, I just ride the scooter around and just enjoy.
Speaker 2:This was the most fun. No, is the most I've ever had at disney. Ride your cart around and eat Mickey ears. I mean seriously. Yeah, I just ride the scooter around and just enjoy how boring this was the most fun. No, it was the most fun I've ever had at. Disney.
Speaker 1:Really.
Speaker 2:This trip yeah, it was the most present I've ever been.
Speaker 1:Well, you weren't drunk.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was probably more fun for everyone else too.
Speaker 3:If I was able to go to Disney or any theme park with a normal human being, I would enjoy it. But when you go with Jennifer especially, you know, because connections or whatever especially when you're getting comped in, she feels like okay, we got comped in here, I am going to ride everything in this park, I'm going to be there before they open.
Speaker 1:Really, you look crazy After they close.
Speaker 3:It's like she I don't know how else to describe it but like she hoards experiences.
Speaker 1:I do, but I've gotten better with the comping. I'm like you know what I didn't pay If I paid to get in there? Yeah, I feel like that'd be worse when you get comped you're like well, hey, yeah, I mean, if we get comped in, I've done better. I'm like you know what? We didn't pay for this.
Speaker 2:Jamie could actually probably have a side hustle where people pay her to be their guide for the day. She knows Disney so well she's a Disney fanatic. She literally says I work, so we can go to Disney.
Speaker 1:And while she's working, she's got.
Speaker 2:Disney on the TV. It's like Disney vibe. She loves it. She is all in on it, yeah.
Speaker 3:It is a different kind of personality, though, that they have to do everything in the park, because I'm just like, well, you know, we're getting tired, we had fun, let's roll.
Speaker 1:And.
Speaker 3:Jennifer's like no, no, we're not rolling.
Speaker 1:On our honeymoon? We're definitely not. Rolling On our honeymoon, we're definitely not rolling On our honeymoon.
Speaker 3:That's insane.
Speaker 1:We'll go ride the People Mover for an hour. Yeah, then we're going to build our energy back up.
Speaker 3:Then we're going to get back to it, On our honeymoon we had to get a trinket.
Speaker 1:We went to Disney for our honeymoon.
Speaker 2:Oh, did you. Every country in Epcot. We had to get a trinket, something from them. I think that was nice, that is kind of nice. That's a lot of those.
Speaker 1:I mean, well, that's what? 10 trinkets or so. There's a lot of countries, tiny little fun things, oh totem, I do love it.
Speaker 2:Like I could. I told the kids I didn't do this. I could have just rode my scooter and brought a book and set up in each country and just pretended that I was in that country but you paid to get in there. I know that's fun for me.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 3:You know what the best would be? Season tickets. Yes, because then you go for a couple hours and you read a book and you watch people.
Speaker 1:Now that I would do. Isn't that what Bob Goff does?
Speaker 2:Yeah, he goes and works. We did when we lived down there. That's what we did. Sometimes the kids have memories of us just going and picking them up early and being like, hey, we're going to Disney for the evening. I would do that, jamie and I would do date nights in Epcot. Yeah, it's so great, that was awesome.
Speaker 1:If I had season tickets, I would do that, because you would never wait in line because you're like, well, we'll just do it next time. We were seven miles from Disneyland, I think, when we lived in California.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we went much. It's too expensive. Well, the other thing is, our kids didn't like it. Yeah, so they don't. They didn't want to wait in line, they didn't want to be hot, you know they just they were like we'd rather be home.
Speaker 1:We went with sadie, though she was in her elsa phase and she I had made her an elsa um cape yes and it was. It was just this horrible hard fabric cut. I cut a hole in it that stuck a button on it and she wore that dang cape really entire day her little neck was raw. She'd be walking and she'd get clothes like somebody would step on it. Oh my gosh, she wore that stupid thing yeah, we've done it all.
Speaker 2:We've done the. You know the when the girls look were young in the princess phase, we did the take the princess book and go wait in line, and all of them at every part. It kind of blew the kids mind because on one day, princess jasmine, it was princess jasmine, one day the next day, at a different park, it was pocahontas, but the same person.
Speaker 1:Oh, really oh, that's kind of cool sadie, sadie. Sadie, she's going to be mad at you. She's listening to. Gatsby. Just came out with three songs early, sadie.
Speaker 3:Great Gatsby musical oh yeah. I want her to come in and talk about this she won't?
Speaker 1:I already asked her. She's going to be with us we had a.
Speaker 3:she had a report, so I know that parents who are listening to this are going to go.
Speaker 2:Yeah, all of our girls did this. But when sadie got into something, from the moment she woke up in the morning until she went to- bed.
Speaker 3:She was the person. It was almost like. Really it was embodied her job like, and so her rapunzel phase was around 2011, 2010, 2011, and so she'd get up in the morning and the very first thing is she would it was probably a little older than that no, because we were in that apartment because of the flood.
Speaker 1:I remember that's when we like we went to walmart and bought a proper frying pan for her little frying pan that she carried.
Speaker 3:But like a real one and she had a little lizard that she kept on her shoulder. I mean, it was just like and she had the wig.
Speaker 1:My kids are Scottish. They're redheaded freckles. She had this white wig. She looked horrible.
Speaker 3:She looked like a white witch.
Speaker 1:She looked horrible. It was not flattering. She'd wear that in that purple dress and she looked like she. Oh my gosh, this long white hair.
Speaker 3:But it wasn't like she'd bounce around like I'm. I'm pretending to be rapunzel it was like she went through the day as rapunzel like you could hear her playing and talking. She'd be like and what was his name? Pascal, pascal, we're gonna do this and that. And then she'd be like she just stayed the character she hold her frying pan out and go.
Speaker 1:Who else knows my location, fly she didn't know it was location. Yeah, flynn Rider.
Speaker 3:She took everything serious and then, when she went through her mermaid phase, she just was a mermaid.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:She took her tail with her wherever she went, when there was water she had her tail on.
Speaker 1:She had a proper tail, yeah, and now, as a 16-year-old, she takes whatever she's doing, she takes it serious.
Speaker 2:So she locks in on one thing and goes all in.
Speaker 1:I don't know where she gets that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't know either.
Speaker 1:I'm not sure where that came from.
Speaker 2:I kind of wish I had. I have the opposite problem. I just have so many things. You got a lot of irons in the fire.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Sadie has one iron, one iron like she's in this performance right now of hello dolly and she's, you know, there's like a handful of dancers on the stage and they took her, took them about a day to figure out if she's different, and so she's like the lead, like the dance, dance captain. Okay, but we went to the first performance and, like all the kids, did great, like I and everybody watches.
Speaker 3:I know their own kid but I watch. I actually do watch the other kids because I was like, is there anybody that can touch sadie? Right and no, I mean she's heads he's not at all biased, though.
Speaker 2:No, but look, I don't feel like you'd be that. I mean, I know you love your children, but I also feel like you both are realistic about your children. Oh yeah, I think, if she was garbage, you'd probably say hey my kid was out there and is terrible.
Speaker 1:Girl can dance.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, she's an amazing dancer, she work on her singing, interacting and all that.
Speaker 1:But she's just never done it when it comes to dancing there's just nobody.
Speaker 3:That's even in the stratosphere.
Speaker 2:Really, what style is it Any?
Speaker 1:Well, she can do all of it, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2:What's the style where I'll watch it and I'll be like I can't tell if that's good or bad. Ballet is hard. Ballet is hard to tell. No.
Speaker 3:What are? Ballet is hard.
Speaker 1:Ballet is hard to tell no, what are you talking? Are you talking like contemporary, where it's like yeah, they're like Super emotional? I have a niece.
Speaker 2:That's really really good too, like really good, and she'll dance and I'll be like I think I could do that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it looks like Interpretive dance. It just looks like You're moving in Awkward positions constantly. I hate when they do the run in place. Oh yeah, they like to do that a lot in contemporary.
Speaker 3:Really yeah, and I feel like, sometimes when I don't like that, that's her favorite To me dance is like flowy and beautiful and this is just like well, I can make my body do weird things. Yeah, that's all it is. I feel like some of the stuff I see Sadie's, I'm sure it's more than that.
Speaker 2:I wish you'd do it on your scooter.
Speaker 1:It's inclusive, very inclusive.
Speaker 3:Yeah, well, when in California Sadie would have her dance recitals and I don't remember her doing this, but some of her friends would solo and I would tell Sadie I feel like you could make that up on the spot.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it looks very made up on the spot, like play some music, somebody get out there and do I?
Speaker 3:You know, jeremy Dibler is going to do a flop around yeah. Lay on the ground with my. Do my hands a little bit.
Speaker 2:Well, you just call it art. At that point You're like well, you just don't, you don't get it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, two people are doing it, and it's got to be the same thing at the same time.
Speaker 1:I'm like, ok, it's choreographed, you learn something here, but a solo, that's BS man man, sorry if you're watching this I know I keep looking at myself but I got.
Speaker 3:I got a bad haircut in florida. I went the first week I was there.
Speaker 1:I went to uh one of the clips. Uh, super great clips, sport, all those clips and she did a fine job.
Speaker 3:I mean, she was like put me in the chair, what, what do you like? Well, I don't want it too short. She's like fine, I won't use the clippers much, and walked out look, normal dad haircut. So I went back there last week and the lady wasn't there.
Speaker 2:But it, you know it clips, they keep you in the system and so it shows what they yeah, use a two guard or whatever they so I figured the woman would do that.
Speaker 3:She sits me down and puts the you know a little toilet paper around your neck and then the thing, the toilet paper and I was waiting for the hands on the shoulders. What are we doing today? And she just starts going, and she starts with my eyebrows. Isn't that the?
Speaker 1:weirdest thing. That's the starting place.
Speaker 3:That was the start.
Speaker 1:What did she take? Like a comb and go? Yes.
Speaker 3:And before I could even get out like she was on the second eyebrow by the time I went, we're doing my eyebrows and I literally said I don't think my eyebrows are bad. And she's like I'm a barber, I know what I'm doing. I went to barber school and blah, blah, blah and I was like that's kind of, and by the time she said that she was done with my eyebrows and starting on my hair, and so she lifted my hair up and didn't cut the ends, she cut the insides of it.
Speaker 1:She was thinning it out, right.
Speaker 3:And so I was like well, I don't know if I need my hair thinned.
Speaker 1:I'm not dealing with a lot.
Speaker 3:Yeah, my hair isn't thick, and she goes. Oh, I know what I'm doing, honey. I, my hair isn't thick and she goes. Oh, I know what I'm doing, honey. I'm a barber and by the like, oh my god, I know what I'm doing honey, and so that would have pissed me off because you work at uh clips. Yes, and I was. I was really mad, but I was like well, how long ago was it like?
Speaker 2:what am I looking at here? As far as growth, oh, he went back well, I had to go back because.
Speaker 3:So I tried to fix it like I was. Like you, normally it.
Speaker 2:Like I was like.
Speaker 3:You normally do it yourself. I was like, well, let me go home and see you know. So I went back, took a shower, couldn't? I mean? It was just sticking up and all, and the humidity was making it curl up. And so I went back the next day, you know, and she wasn't there, Thank God. And I looked at the lady and I said, hey, I came in here yesterday for a haircut and I'm sorry, but I'm not happy with it. And she goes well, what happened? And I told her and she looked at it and she goes yeah, it looks really bad, oh my God. And I was like, well, she's like, who did it? And I was like, well, she's not here, but she usually works at that. She goes, oh boy. So she sat me down. And she goes yeah, this is really bad, let me try to fix it. But to fix it she had to cut it really short.
Speaker 2:So I think it looks Fine. I noticed it just a minute ago and I thought oh, you got a really nice haircut. I thought that like in my brain Well, it was a legit.
Speaker 3:It was like a bowl and I showed her on FaceTime and Jennifer was like, yeah, you got a bowl cut.
Speaker 1:It was a bowl cut.
Speaker 3:And so that lady fixed it some, and then I even kind of hacked at it a little bit and I've got it now where it's all one length.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but you hate it.
Speaker 3:I don't like it this short, it's just a little too short. It's a good summer cut, though.
Speaker 2:I guess you got your new summer beach body. You got your summer cut. Cut my summer tan, yeah his beach body is.
Speaker 1:He starves himself when he's away from me I don't eat what I don't eat kind of a good plan when I'm on my own a good plan.
Speaker 2:Well, it's like I'm the other way around, though.
Speaker 3:When I travel, I eat bad well, if you and I were traveling together, I would eat bad too, really, but I'm by myself and so he doesn't eat. I'm like I don't want to spend money on food. I I go to Wawa get a bar or a Wawa sub.
Speaker 1:He eats an apple.
Speaker 3:Egg. I eat an egg.
Speaker 2:Apple. I have super low standards with food, but I don't think I'd ever eat an egg from a gas station.
Speaker 3:Oh, I do they have those two eggs with a little salt packet.
Speaker 1:That's disgusting.
Speaker 3:Buck 50. I got the Wawa cup and so I'm just going in getting free Coke.
Speaker 1:He got the new Wawa cup I did. That's vintage.
Speaker 3:That's mom's.
Speaker 1:But was it vintage or is it just like a vintage look?
Speaker 3:I don't know, I'd have to look at the bottom. I don't want to tip it over.
Speaker 2:One thing I've noticed about you is you really like your free drinks places.
Speaker 1:He likes free, you like going in with your cup.
Speaker 2:So you got a Wawa and a Puckett's cup at the table.
Speaker 3:Both free for life, both free for life stuff, yeah, so Meredith, you free for life, basically. Well, that's unofficial, but yeah, Jim doesn't really care, I don't think, are you?
Speaker 1:sure.
Speaker 3:Well, I talked to him. He's like you bring a lot of ice? Yeah, but I do. I'm a sucker for free and also I like a routine. I'm a routine. Same truck stop, same gas station, same people.
Speaker 1:We went by his gas station the other day and he goes. I wonder if they miss me in there.
Speaker 2:I wonder if they're thinking of me.
Speaker 1:I bet they are.
Speaker 3:Yeah, she's gone, becky's gone. I just asked today.
Speaker 1:Really Weird. I wonder what happened.
Speaker 2:It's fun being a regular somewhere, though I go into this T-Op quite a bit. I really love T-Op. I see Brian Smith in there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they love T-Op, he's there a lot.
Speaker 2:I don't talk to him. That place like and they've got the poke bowls or whatever he does, love t-op and I was messing the lady that owns it or works there, whatever. We have a really fun, you know, rapport relationship. We'll go back and forth. And I walked away one time and she was saying something to the next customer and said something like oh, that's one of my regulars, or that's one of my something, or others, whatever. And I felt great. I was like oh, she considers me like one of her people.
Speaker 1:You know, it makes me want to go in there more.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like hey you know, there actually is a drink on the menu that she put on there because I what is it called? The drew. No, I asked her to call it that. Um, it's a passion fruit, um, it's boba tea, but it's a like what do they call? Like the chiller type they didn't have passion fruit in like the smoothie type of consistency with the boba. She looked at me when she was like so you want passion fruit like sweet, but you want the boba in it too, like yes it's so good.
Speaker 1:It's like a smoothie type thing with boba in it yeah, it's like more of a smoothie texture. Whatever that like chiller texture is like slushy, slushy, yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm looking for with the boba I've never tried boba.
Speaker 3:The boba is sort of flemish though honey, you would not like it.
Speaker 2:I do not, it's a love or hate, like I've had people try. I'm like because I'm so excited about I want to introduce them to it and they're just like they can't I'm not understanding.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean people in california would wait in these long lines yeah, forba.
Speaker 3:Well, it's an Asian thing, right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we had a lot of.
Speaker 3:There are a lot of Asians in Irvine.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't want the popping ones, though those are bizarre.
Speaker 3:Oh, what's the difference? Those are the ones Sadie likes. She likes the ones that pop in your mouth.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, that's terrible. I like the tapioca ones. They're chewy here and go get one. Okay, that's how.
Speaker 3:I'm just talking about it DoorDash.
Speaker 2:I want to go in and see my lady. The Wawa down in Winter Park has got that new Coke machine right where you can get any flavor of any Coke and any Coke product that's on the screen.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, I want one of those in my house. I do too, so bad yeah.
Speaker 2:He put it on Instagram that that's what he was going to get.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I remember that For me For my birthday. I'm such a soda drinker.
Speaker 3:We will probably have to Replace our fridge with it.
Speaker 1:If you'd see our fridge now, as long as Hutch has his.
Speaker 2:Splendriff. If that's one of the options, that's right. That would be great he got some money.
Speaker 3:I gave him 48 cents. Yeah, some people, some people Venmo'd him. I put it in the show notes. I went in, did you?
Speaker 1:figure out the show notes.
Speaker 3:I figured out how to edit the show notes.
Speaker 1:I went in and put it in there. I didn't do this, someone did.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I saw that what's funny is Our fridge yesterday Was left Just.
Speaker 1:Our fridge was left open. Yeah, hutch got home. Last night we were at Sadie's thing and Hutch got home and sent us a picture Of the refrigerator door open and I said to her is there anything in there we could do? She goes no, there's really nothing.
Speaker 2:We have no food yeah it's so bad yeah, my kids complain about that all the time. We have we've got random. We've got stuff to like make food, but no food like go in and eat, you know what I mean. Like we've got like condiments and nobody around here is making food.
Speaker 1:Well, the problem is he doesn't eat when he's gone, and, and when he's gone I'm like it's just the three of us.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and Hutch isn't around.
Speaker 1:And Hutch is half the time gone. She's half, so it's just too much. So I end up not making anything, so I eat junk.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It's not a good system right now.
Speaker 3:I got two. Well, I got two and a half more weeks. I was about to ask how you're, yeah, coming to a closing. Yeah, and actually it's. You know, with the it's getting a lot better. Yeah, it's, um, it's become a real enjoyable experience. I, you know I'm I'm with some friends now. It's really fun and winter park. I call it franklin with a tan I mean, it's just a.
Speaker 1:You love it amazing little town.
Speaker 3:It is so beautiful, so pretty, it my gosh.
Speaker 1:You love it. It's an amazing little town, it is so beautiful, so pretty.
Speaker 3:It's kind of got a Franklin vibe. It's also, if you go down some other streets it's got like a Beverly Hills vibe.
Speaker 1:Yeah, totally yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 3:Go check that out again.
Speaker 1:It's been a long time since I've been there.
Speaker 3:It is beautiful. Yeah, it's really cool.
Speaker 1:No, I don't know what that is.
Speaker 2:We ate at Four Rivers on our way through, and I thought about you when I got there, I'm not eating anywhere.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I'm eating at La Wawa. Unless it's free and people invite him over, he's not eating.
Speaker 3:And I have some friends that are really good at cooking.
Speaker 2:So it's either our favorite barbecue in the world is right there in Longwood.
Speaker 3:Okay, maitland area. What is it?
Speaker 2:Four Rivers, four Rivers barbecue.
Speaker 1:Oh, it's called Four Rivers. Maybe you have to check it out.
Speaker 3:Oh, I'm going to have to go there. We love it. I like barbecue. She's going to come down. She doesn't like me anymore. She'll come visit me. I need to come down before you're done.
Speaker 1:Yeah, meet my friends Hang out. Why were you not doing this podcast from Florida? So stupid?
Speaker 2:Let's all go down. That's what I'm saying, you can get flights for so cheap, especially if you're willing to slum it on like a Spirit or something.
Speaker 1:I flew home Spirit.
Speaker 3:I did too. I'm flying back today, Allegiant.
Speaker 2:Are you really? Oh, because that'll go right into Sanford actually it will, that's even better.
Speaker 3:I love those little airports now, yeah, airports now, yeah. You know, there's little ones the little ones.
Speaker 2:You know I'm I'm not enamored by airports anymore.
Speaker 1:I'm flying to Denver tomorrow. It's the worst.
Speaker 3:Denver is awful, I can only assume hey getting your baggage. Nashville's the worst, Really. I waiting for bags in Nashville is horrible. I didn't realize that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's bad, it's slow.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's really slow. I normally try to take care.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I've been talking about you quite a bit because I've got um. I've got several clients that I'm working with that are um, they're beginning the recovery process. So, unfortunately, you know, what you did drew is uh, it's an emotional investment and people don't you know they don't want to do the work. Um, you know they think like a weekend away or a week away. And and I tell them, you know they don't want to do the work. You know they think like a weekend away or a week away. And I tell them, you know, I'm just so proud, I'm proud to know you and just know the amount of emotional work that you must have had to do. It's really kind Over the course of three months, but we're all reaping benefits. I mean, we're getting to know Drew 2.0. Yeah, and it's.
Speaker 2:You know it's amazing what you did, that's really nice of you to say, yeah, yeah, you know, and I I give Jamie tons of credit cause I think her doing the work is more miraculous than you know. I was clearly in a place where I had to get. I mean, I, you know, it was life or death for me, yeah, Um. But for a spouse to be like, hey, while you go do your work, we're going to basically have a therapeutic separation, yeah, and I'm going to do my own work and I'm just going to trust that they're going to care for you and get what you need, and then we'll come back together in a few months and we'll just see. We'll see. That was her whole thing.
Speaker 2:Like, I'm not making any promises, uh, her, what she told me when I left for rehab is I'll hold space for you it wasn't like we're gonna stay together, oh terrified, you know, but I think it's really cool because, you know, emory just graduated high school and I'm coming up on two years from when I went and the cool thing is this place has become like my second family. And when emory visited colorado she really developed rapport with one of my closest friends. Now is a guy's name, danny's a therapist there. He actually went through the program and now as a therapist it's a great story and she calls him.
Speaker 2:He said call me, uncle dan, I'll be there for you no matter what. You know. He just like I want to show up for you all this stuff. And so her and uncle dan got close and she mentioned like three or four times man, I just I wish uncle dan could be at my graduation or whatever. And so I text him. I was like, hey, man, I know this is like a long shot, but emory has not asked for anybody else on in the world except for uncle dan, only person she's mentioned. And he's just like I'll be there. So him and his girlfriend caitlin flew in and surprised emory I was like hey, emory, could you get the door, and dan was standing out there with
Speaker 2:caitlin and she just freaked out. So this whole full circle moment of like I had a therapist tell me um, your family will never be the same, but it could be better. And just living in that right now like man, I gained this whole new family. You know, jamie and I learning how to show up for one another and be honest and so all that. To say her, the work that she put in that is more rare than even someone going to get help. Is that a spouse, especially like a betrayed partner, would actually say, hey, I've got stuff that I need to own and I need to look into.
Speaker 2:And sometimes codependency formed because they were in a relationship with an addict. Okay, so like she's like, hey, this, after 20 years, I've developed some of these on, so some of it's even my responsibility of things she had to become to cope with me being the way I was. Yeah, so why would she? Most people say you go get help, this is your problem. And for her to be like, no, I'm gonna get my own therapist and c-sat and life coach and she went all in, you know, wow.
Speaker 3:Well, I mean that's kudos to her, our friends that we walked through um, some hard stuff with back in 2010, 2011, you know, to his credit he. He was like, okay, what did I do? I know that she needs to get her stuff together, but what and man, when two people will both own it?
Speaker 2:that's huge. There's so much hope for people that will do that.
Speaker 3:Like you know, you use that word hold space and I haven't heard that for a minute but made me realize two or three of my like when I was going through my most formative time in becoming a spiritual director. That was a language that both my advisors used. My first spiritual director, don out in California, he used that. I mean we would sit and look at each other.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you mean in Africa. Sorry, what did I say?
Speaker 3:You said California, no, no my bad In South Africa and he was. This is before I even started this work, but I hadn't been exposed to the rhythm of just holding space. Yeah, and then, when I was in my program learning this, like they would teach us how to hold space, they would even actually bring a third person in and that person didn't speak, but that person just held space and, um man, it is like I, it wasn't even part of my, like it would have been a a completely unknown part of my life in my twenties. Like John Mays asked me um ago, we were having coffee and he's like Jeremy, do you ever miss it? Like you had this dream life out on the road and there are things about it that I miss, but I don't miss how we were. I'm pointing to Jennifer and me.
Speaker 1:Like how you and Drew were.
Speaker 3:Yeah, non-existent we uh, I mean before I got sick, we never talked about anything really important, or before you started doing your work, probably, and like it was just, it wasn't bad, it was just thin Right.
Speaker 1:I don't remember, so you know, there I was telling John Fiery about this last week.
Speaker 3:He was on the podcast and we were talking about being lead singers or whatever. And I said there are a few YouTube videos of me and I watch it and I go. Man, I don't remember a lot of this, I don't remember me.
Speaker 2:What is so I relate to that. What is that?
Speaker 3:Well, I don't know, because I've also had some people say you're not the same person, that Well, I don't know, because I've also had some people say you're not the same person and I go well, no, I am like I'm the same person, it's just, uh, that was kind of you know. I tell my clients are you know, from from childhood to like adulthood, that's your first act and that was kind of my second act and I wouldn't go back to act two because I'm an act three and I don't. I don't feel the same. Matter of fact, after I got sick, I asked her one time. I said, and we may have shared this, but I said, hey, I just want to check in with something you do like me. Better now, right, because we have less, less.
Speaker 3:No, I don't well that's that happens less money different life, smaller life yeah, limits not. And she's like, no, I would definitely choose this. But I wasn't like. I was like can I just check in about this? Like do you want to go back to that? Because we could just start knocking it out again. And she's like, oh, no, you know this is better harder but better.
Speaker 2:Well, jamie was concerned about that when she started doing her work and then finding her voice and finding, like she was kind of like hey, I'm not so sure you're going to like this person. You know that is not just a hey, I'm just going to go with the flow and whatever. Like she was the go along to get along If I had an idea. Or she like if we, if we just keep him happy, then maybe the wheels won't come off. She just lived with that fear constantly, just keep him happy. And she realized, well, that's not possible. Like that wasn't going to work. It didn't work. And so now, with her learning this new way of living for herself early on, she was like what, if you don't like this person which is not true, it's actually I have more respect and more love.
Speaker 3:But that's kind of the, the story that can be written. But the more I do this, though, the more I am convinced that a person has to want it for themselves. Yes, you cannot like, and I do think that if, if you sense a person wanting it, then do everything. You can kidnap them, send them, you know. But you know, I remember, I remember where I was standing, where her and I had this conversation, and this is this is before I got sick, but so I know that I was starting to come awake and alive. Even before that. That that was more of like it. It really sunk in having to take all that time off, but I remember her saying and you and you weren't saying I'm unhappy with my life, I mean, but you were saying I feel like babe who knows what I said.
Speaker 3:No, you just said I feel like we've lived out your dreams. We've been singing your songs. This is what you always wanted to do, and it's not really my dream. You know my dream. Your dream wasn't to be famous or public.
Speaker 1:That's not true. No, that's not the true part. The true part was no, I did want to sing. I mean, I felt like that's what I was supposed to do and there were things I wanted to do. But I feel like, along the way, if I would have had an opinion, it was. I mean, his brain was just full speed ahead and so there was no what do you?
Speaker 1:what do you think about that? What do you? You know it was just plowing through, we're just going and I would also in our marriage and our family. I would have said hey, why don't we try this? I mean, and I kind of remember doing that and it being like uh-huh Anyway.
Speaker 2:So yeah, there was. There was nothing that I would have brought to jamie in the past that I hadn't already decided in my mind. It was just a matter of how I'm gonna get her to come around how you're gonna pitch it yeah, it wasn't. I was doing it, yeah, but it wasn't yes exactly and there was nothing like.
Speaker 3:I remember thinking that same way and there was nothing nefarious. There wasn't in my mind going I've got to trick her.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 3:It was just like this is the right thing to do and we're doing it and I thought that was the way a good Christian husband led. But here's the thing Back to the want it part.
Speaker 2:You are the head of the household after all, so make all the decisions.
Speaker 3:Get in the back seat Submit. Get in the back seat Um, I, I. So I, when she said that I deeply, deeply wanted it, like I was, like I don't want this, I don't want to have a person in my house that isn't able to live out her dreams, and in the, in that moment I was like I not only do I want it for her, I can't take the responsibility of it anymore. Like I don't want to be 60 and have her look back and go and so. But I'm working with people who I can tell don't really want it. No, they want to involve their other person, but that they're not willing to go. Yeah, I'd give this up. I give this up for the, for the better thing, whatever that is like.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And I remember thinking I could give this up now in fairness to other people listening. Maybe it's because I got to do the thing you know we had sold 2 million records, but that and she also wasn douche I haven't been. She was like, look, I'm not saying I'm not grateful for my life yeah she's going. I love the life that we live. It's just, it's been.
Speaker 1:I've been along for your ride well, and like the songs, I mean I would give an opinion and sometimes you would listen, but it was like yeah, but you don't know that just yeah, you know you just deferred all the time, yeah it was just like, okay, yeah, and so that's what I think I meant. It's not that I didn't, because I wanted to do that too. And listen, I had you and I had my parents and I didn't have. There was no getting away from singing.
Speaker 3:But once we had kids, a couple of things happened. She got definitely got more of that motherly voice.
Speaker 1:I became a mama bear.
Speaker 3:And I also started to go, oh my gosh, her intuition is so much better with our kids and I started to see, like man becoming a dad. I have never felt as unnecessary as I did when we had kids. I'm like, oh my gosh, I am a sperm donor, like her whole thing is keeping these kids alive and she could do it without me completely, um, and so I think that helped me to go. She's really smart, like, and so when she said those things, also also she had been doing her work and I noticed how much depth was there.
Speaker 3:I tell people, you know, I've actually heard counselors say if both people are not willing, don't even do it, and I go. I don't agree. One person can create like a slipstream and the other person can be inspired. Now they can push against it too. Sure, and that's where you know things get really messy. But also it was inspiring to me.
Speaker 1:It was terrifying to you too.
Speaker 3:At first it was because I knew a lot of it was about me.
Speaker 1:You'd be like what did you guys talk about?
Speaker 3:Well, I would actually go. It was about me, wasn't it?
Speaker 1:No, you'd be like, so how?
Speaker 2:was it today. What did you?
Speaker 1:talk about.
Speaker 2:That's hilarious yeah.
Speaker 3:Well, I mean, I was codependent, so I was like, are we okay? Are we going to be okay? But anyways, all that to say, a person does have to want it. I've retooled so much of my business over the past three years because my dream was to have this nonprofit that funded people who couldn't afford care. And it is. It is totally opposite. Now we still have the nonprofit, but I only use that when someone can't afford it. I'll try to find someone to underwrite them. My clients are paying clients cause they, they care.
Speaker 1:If you don't pay for it, you don't care about it. And they, they're they're the ones that actually want to get healthy which is sad, I mean, cause there's a lot of people who want to get physically healthy and you can't afford it. It's so expensive to go to a natural health doctor or a you know whatever, and it's the same with emotional care.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no it's. It can be frustrating because we see that a lot at Valiant that people come in and you've got to have. Michael Deneen is the guy that founded it and he talks about loving leverage a lot, which is not a better way of saying ultimatum want it or there's got to be something there's gonna be some catalyst in your life that is traumatic enough, where you're like okay, so for me, no way do I go to rehab for 90 days if jamie didn't toe the line.
Speaker 2:No way, like I don't do that on my own, I don't, I would come home early, I would, I mean, every day. I wanted to come home for 90 days, every day, like there was not a time where I was like oh, I'm really glad to be here. It was miserable. The whole time didn't want to be there. The only thing that kept me there is I knew if I came home at day 89, donezo she was done yep, it was. You're gonna see this through. You're gonna be there in not only 90 days.
Speaker 1:You'll be there longer if the therapists say, yeah, you need to be here longer which is amazing, honestly, because a lot of women would be like you need to be home making money, yeah, you know, or whatever.
Speaker 2:Totally she was the opposite. She actually got home. So I lost my job. I got home and she says I think you should actually not work. So I got home in november 9th. She's like I don't think you should. Should work November, december and not start working on January, just to reintegrate back Because she got to the point where she's like what money? Like none of it matters. What are we actually doing? We don't have our family and we're not healthy and like you know, and so that's one thing we don't see enough of with guys Like there's no one in their life, with the loving leverage of saying, no, you will get healthy. You know, chip dodd says it takes 80-ish. You probably know, but there's a certain amount of time for your brain to even get back. Yeah, hardwired right.
Speaker 2:So like interesting he was like I I want you to be gone for 90 days because I it's going to take you that long for your brain to start working correctly again well, you have to abstain from the things that you use to medicate pain.
Speaker 3:And if you use people, you got to abstain from people, and that's your scariest thing is to be alone. If you, if you're using substances, you're a person who's abusing drugs, the first thing on their mind every day is how do I get more of these? And so you gotta, you gotta, abstain from it. You got to be clean from it long enough to where your brain goes. Okay, this is how we're supposed to feel, and you also have to go, especially for those folks you got to go. Euphoria is never supposed to be permanent. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:But this is how we're supposed to feel like oh, this is how we feel.
Speaker 2:Like oh.
Speaker 1:I actually feel this way, that's horrible yeah. What a horrible feeling that must be.
Speaker 3:Well, but it gets better.
Speaker 1:I know, but can you imagine? I mean, if you're, I don't know.
Speaker 3:I know, you know the.
Speaker 1:It just makes me so, I'm just so sad.
Speaker 3:The thing that I've been really encouraging the community I'm working with in Florida is there is a time to process Absolutely, and we need to show up to those feelings. And part of the reason that we that we're, that we're not getting healthy, is we don't show up to the feelings. But feelings are meant to be moved through. They really are, even if it takes a while. Now, look, if you lose somebody close, it's gonna take a minute. You know I wouldn't be like okay, well, buck up. But you know, like with the community I'm with right now, I told him we're not gonna have a funeral every time we meet. Like this is we need to feel these feelings, but then we're gonna be okay. And and I think that people who just want to ruminate on their feelings, they're maybe not ready Because we go back and memory map this stuff out how do you feel? How does it make you feel? How do you feel right now? And I'm not saying we're not going to stay there as long as it takes, but our goal is to move through these feelings.
Speaker 1:We're not going to sit there, Well not if we don't.
Speaker 3:I mean not if it's cooked Like let's go back, Even with the hardest stuff. Let's go back, let's figure out why you do have this post-traumatic stress. Let's feel it because you've never gotten to feel it. Let's show up, Take me into the memory with you. I'm there.
Speaker 2:Now let's move through it. Let's make our way forward yeah, it's to tell yourself the truth part. So chip will talk to feel the feelings, tell yourself the truth and then accept life on life's terms. That's his process. It's just like, all right, we'll feel the feelings, but then that's where, like gratitude and some other thing. Then you get to feel your feelings, but then you get to tell yourself what's true. It could be like you know, they would tell us all the time rehab like you're gonna be okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like your, your family's gonna be okay, it's gotta feel like it's not well, they were like even if you lose your family, you're gonna be okay yeah, like there's no scenario here where if you don't do the work and put it in like at some point, you're gonna be okay I know it doesn't feel that way now yeah but you're.
Speaker 2:And so they would just affirm, like here's what's true. You know about your situation, yeah, and if you don't go to that part of telling yourself the truth, you'll just stay stuck. You said the rumination. You'll just stay stuck in this and that. For me, I I was in such anxiety because when I was realizing that a big part of what my anxiety was coming from it was control. Right now, I don't have any control over anything. I've been stripped of all that. I don't even know what my kids are doing right now my daughter's going to college for the first, her first year.
Speaker 2:I'm not even allowed to speak with her. Be a part of that, she's turned 18 years old. I'm not in, like I have control. And then I'm realizing, even just recently, it's the I have no control over the narrative, like I don't get to tell my side of the story.
Speaker 1:Oh, wow, that's hard.
Speaker 2:That was tough, which was like hey I, there's people telling my side, there's people telling my story, but I'm not telling my story. Right. And it wasn't time it wasn't, that was it wouldn't, and but I'm not telling my story Right. And it wasn't time it wasn't, that was it wouldn't, and I would have told a a dishonest version of the story at that time. Anyway, to try to cover my tracks, Right. But that was hard.
Speaker 3:It was like okay, I don't have any way to defend myself, you know so it's really like I call it reality avoidance and and we're all trying to avoid the hard part of our realities Like we're medicating it. Some of us ruminate, just, you know, I have all, I've had this bad thing happen and I've had all this. And look, I don't want to minimize that, but you still got to show up to reality. You have people that live in the future. I mean, we talked to Hutch about this yesterday. He loves momentum, he loves to have something on the calendar, like if he doesn't have something on the calendar, he gets depressed. If she has something on the calendar, she gets depressed, I remember. But, like I told him, I said, man, you know, and this isn't my phrase but you got to fall in love with your reality right now like today.
Speaker 1:You, you just wants to. Yeah, I want to live here, I want to do this, I want to.
Speaker 3:I'm like buddy I think I told you guys this one time we're we're in orange orange County. So he was still, he wasn't even a teenager yet. I walked into his bedroom and his suitcase was packed and I said where are you going? He goes nowhere. I just needed to pack for something, Isn't that?
Speaker 1:sad so.
Speaker 3:I said well, let's drive out to Palm Springs, let's go do something. So, he got his skateboard.
Speaker 1:We drove out to Palm Springs springs, rode around for a couple days, but I mean, he had a suitcase packed, if that doesn't tell you what somebody's like, I mean, and this one hasn't been out of her room yet, right, yeah, so reality, I don't even know if she's peed yet this morning.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean she. I mean, she's the kind of person that she never wants to leave yeah, I mean, and you know I I kind of avoided. I mean I was the kid who did their science fair project on the bus on the way the day it was due. Yeah, I mean, so it's a cup of dirt.
Speaker 1:The Brian Regan sketch.
Speaker 3:You wake up, oh, it's that day.
Speaker 1:Oh no.
Speaker 3:Cup with dirt in it. But I mean, I just think it's a human thing, reality avoidance. But if we can stay, like Jesus said, you'll know the truth, you'll know reality, You'll have an experience with it and it'll set you free.
Speaker 2:Free is reality, but we just avoid it, man Well it's probably one of my number one gripes about majority of churches in America is most of what all they're doing and prescribing is reality avoid even prayer and all those things. It's like, hey, if I can just escape and I'll give it to you, it's a lot healthier escape than drugs, alcohol, sex, whatever.
Speaker 2:But it's still not teaching people how to deal with life on life's terms interesting, it's not dealing it's like let's just help people escape, let's get lost in worship, let's go into prayer, let's, let's pray for a miracle, let's whatever. You know all this stuff, and that's all nothing wrong with that. But if you're not balancing it with well, how do I deal with life when it sucks, when I lose a loved one, when God doesn't answer, when God doesn't like? We don't deal with that much in the church, we're just onto the next. Well, let's pray for the next miracle, let's go to the next thing, or let's. You know, and so you know, my big thing right now, with my spirituality, my faith is, you know, and I'll say all the time like God, never he didn't rescue me from anything, Like I don't feel rescued by god, like so, like hey, your situation, miracles, like, well, no, jesus walked, he never left me, he walked with me through it. He didn't get me out of nothing like I had to. I was in it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the whole time you know, now he did give me. I feel like the holy spirit gave me peace and gave me all the things, but there was no like get me. He didn't get me out of my situation.
Speaker 3:Yeah yeah, jesus didn't go to the cross so you wouldn't have to. He did it so you could right like this is how we do this yeah this is how we do it this is how we do it um, I think, you know, I think the humans are good at reality avoidance, and let me, let me say this first, before I'm about to say this Ooh, this is going.
Speaker 2:Uh-oh, I'm ready.
Speaker 3:I love the United States. I am so Uh-oh, uh-oh, come out. No, no, just kidding, but Americans are good at this. What are we good?
Speaker 1:at Well.
Speaker 3:I think part of the reason that we are still Part of the reason that we are still part of the reason that so much of racism is still in the conversation is we kind of avoided a little bit of what we did there.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. That is not why racism is in the conversation.
Speaker 2:Hang on a second 59 minutes in and we're finally getting to the good stuff.
Speaker 3:We are good at going. Okay, we fixed that, move on. I mean the people who are protesting right now in support of the Palestinian cause, or Hamas. Reality is the majority of these folks. Hamas would kill them on sight, but it's easier to avoid that harsh reality that you know they are supporting a terrorist group, and so we have a problem showing up to what is really going on and you know that's—.
Speaker 1:So what is really going on in those situations?
Speaker 3:Well, I mean—.
Speaker 1:You're saying they're not—they're avoiding reality.
Speaker 3:Well, look, the reality of it is. If you know what is it queers for hamas. Reality is that they would be executed by hamas. So, but what?
Speaker 1:but I think what those protesters are protesting. They're not pro some. There are some who are for pro hamas. They're saying they are pro-palestinians and they're there for the genocide. They're saying that the Palestinians are being killed.
Speaker 3:I know what they're saying, but that's my point.
Speaker 1:I'm just making a point.
Speaker 3:I know what you're saying.
Speaker 1:I'm saying. I'm just trying to make it clarify. They're not all pro-Hamas.
Speaker 3:I know, but I realize what you're saying, do you I know, but I realize what you're saying.
Speaker 2:Do you?
Speaker 3:But they're not having an experience with reality Because in reality they're supporting it.
Speaker 1:What they don't understand is, or what they're not willing to accept, is genocide is happening in so many other places Not willing to understand is what I'm saying. It's happening in so many other places they don't care about, and it's war, and I am trying to say that this happens in people, in arts.
Speaker 3:It happens in cultures, it happens in countries, it happens in churches. It's a systematic reality avoidance.
Speaker 2:Well, in America, being a fairly young country, that was built on dream. It was literally built on you don't have to live in your current reality. There is a better future for you. There's a dream for you. You can. That's what makes the country great and, at the same time, it what helps us avoid, don't you think?
Speaker 1:that that's just life. Now, I mean think about these. I mean I think about these. I mean I think about my grandparents who their dream was to have land and they bought land, went out there, built a house with their hands, built this farm. I mean built wealth. I mean that's the dream. What we're doing now is ridiculous.
Speaker 3:Yeah, do you know?
Speaker 1:what I mean, like whenever you talk about the american dream, it was the american dream. Then what they, what this country was built on, is so different than what I don't know?
Speaker 3:it's just such a mess I think you're, I think you're miss I'm not missing.
Speaker 1:I'm saying I think that it's easy for us to go. Oh, it was a dream. It's avoiding your reality. No, reality was hard.
Speaker 3:I know, but what-?
Speaker 1:Life was a lot harder then and your reality was that I mean you lived in hard and my reality is I have to survive right, yeah, I think what you're-.
Speaker 2:I think hey, you want to sit in with us? She has emerged, Come on.
Speaker 3:She wants to eat food. Come sit with us for just a minute Just be like a second.
Speaker 2:She only came out to eat. We could have brought you food so you wouldn't have to leave your room.
Speaker 3:Oh, that's Sadie Clare, you guys can't see her or hear her, but there she is and she's awesome.
Speaker 3:I think what I was trying to say is that reality is nuanced and you have to want to enter into all of it. So, in other words, you know we have done so many things right in this country and a rising tide floats, lifts all boats, but we also have to go. Yeah, a lot of this was on the backs of black people and that sustained. Like we have to be able to accept all of reality right. And so, yes, there are a lot of people dying in Gaza, and that is the harsh reality of war, but we have to accept all of the reality.
Speaker 3:That's why I don't I prefer not to see couples together because you, somebody, might bring up something, and then the other person, if they're not willing to go yeah, I fumbled that, or whatever then it just becomes defense and offense and arguing and positioning and like, if somebody wants it, like you and I were just talking about, they'll enter into all of the reality. Like, yeah, I might have been a pretty good husband in some ways, but man, I sucked in other ways. Or, yeah, it's usually more nuanced than just good guys, bad guys. That's what I was trying to say.
Speaker 1:I was just yeah, okay, no, I get that. I think you're right, I'm not, I don. That's what I wasn't trying to say, that.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But I was saying the dream thing. I think it's just easy for us to go. Well, the American dream is we want to avoid our reality.
Speaker 2:No the.
Speaker 1:American dream was different when you were yeah. I don't know, raising your food, because that's all. You didn't have a grocery store. They didn't have grocery stores before the forties. Yeah, but then what about this, you know, and what about this?
Speaker 3:altruistic idealism of people Like the pioneer is. We're glamorizing pioneer times because we're thinking, boy, that was a pure time and it was hard, horrible, none of us would make it a day.
Speaker 1:Why do you say that's glamorizing?
Speaker 3:Well, because it's not like we're forgetting how hard it was and we're like going. You know we're watching. You're not, obviously, you're saying it was hard, but yeah, we glamorize it you know Well, with each generation too.
Speaker 2:right Like, what's difficult for our kids now is you know it's totally different for you know. It's like. Their realities are different. Their access to information it's a totally different world.
Speaker 1:You know it's just, yeah, it's a totally different information. You know it's just, yeah, it's different. So I guess, with each generation, yeah, what, what you dream about is relative to what the current reality of that generation.
Speaker 2:I mean the american dream.
Speaker 1:Now is I want to go viral. Yeah, youtuber, yeah, I mean, that's these kids american dream, that's not well that's not what the american dream is about survival.
Speaker 2:Back back. The american dream was about hey, we're trying to escape oppression and everything else and yes, you know be able to live free. It wasn't about.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I get what you're saying, yeah, I had a conversation with a client about this yesterday because we were talking about how hard it is not to ruminate and she brought up the whatever's true, whatever's right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Philippians yeah.
Speaker 3:And I said, you know the first one to think about whatever's true.
Speaker 1:That knocks a lot of everything out To your guy's point.
Speaker 3:What's true about social media, Like when we look at somebody's account, are we seeing an actual representation of their life?
Speaker 1:If you just take what is true and go, I'm going to, just let's go. Don't even do the rest of the list True. It knocks a lot out.
Speaker 3:Well, when someone's fussing about their life and you go, well, what's true? About your life.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Like I have this conversation sometimes with people that really want Jesus to come back. No, it's just so bad. I just want the Lord and I go and I'm looking across the table at them and I'm going how bad is it Like? How bad is your life right now? Do you want Jesus to come back? I want to see my grandkids. To be honest, do you want Jesus to come back? I want to see my grandkids. To be honest, I'm like man. I love raising my kids. I mean, they're raising themselves now.
Speaker 1:They kind of always raise themselves. They did. But we watched, we did watch, we cheered them on they did a good job.
Speaker 3:They did a good job.
Speaker 1:They really did a good job. I'm so proud of them.
Speaker 2:It's probably a good thing, you guys didn't interfere.
Speaker 1:I know we would totally screw them up you might have messed them up. Somebody was telling me last night at the thing how amazing Sadie is. I mean, just went on and on. She's the sweetest inside and out. I know that's why I'm saying it, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 3:She's just the best inside and out, and his parents and I said not really her brother kind of raised her I said and he kind of came out that way, and so, yeah, yeah, it's not us, it's them yeah, well, doesn't every parent kind of realize that at some point you're like man, I was around?
Speaker 2:I don't know yeah, I mean that's when you were talking earlier about the not remembering things. That's where my mind went, because I'll look at grace now. She'll be like, sit on the couch down, she's home from college and I feel like I just I'm like man. There's so much I don't remember yeah, yeah, I hate it I'm just like you're grown now and I feel like it went by so fast and then it's like I almost like freak myself out in fear of like I don't I don't even remember.
Speaker 2:I don't even remember your childhood, I don't even remember. It's like, no, I do, like I've got these memories that come back, but it's like it just went so fast you know, and I'm like man, I wish I don't want to go back, but I wish I could, with you, know what I know now.
Speaker 2:I could go back and you know, be more present and all the different things. And I actually said that we were sitting on the couch and I said that to her and, um, she was like well, dad, I don't have any memories of you not being present, so for me I know it was in my head yeah, well, my anxiety, my whatever, but I'm there, probably in your head a lot, right, not knowing very much so and so, but her memories was. I was there and I was present, and you know so we have that.
Speaker 3:I've been really struggling with that because I'm gone right now a lot and I've been telling her I don't feel like I've invested enough in my kids, I don't. And she's like, look, baby, did you find? You know, don't worry about it. And I was like, yeah, but I am worried about it. I'm terrified that my kids don't know me and they don't know.
Speaker 3:You know how much I'm for them and I don't know that I would go back. Honestly, I mean, yeah, I don't know. I mean I want to be around for a long time. I mean if there's a, if there's a clinical trial for 150 year pill, I'm first in line line, but I don't know if I'd go backwards. Yeah, at this point, I mean I'd like to go to high school with the knowledge that I have now and just tell people off dominate well, I would, I would relationally, I would like just to be like I don't care about you you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Like I cared so much, so funny. That's where you go. You just go and dunk on them emotionally Maybe.
Speaker 3:But you know what? I'd get back there and still be like do you like me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you'd go right back. What's wrong with me?
Speaker 1:Yeah, totally.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, I wouldn't go back. I probably wouldn't. There are some people that I wish I had maybe spent more time with, like my grandparents. Oh for sure, knowing what I know now, I'd be like can we talk some more?
Speaker 1:Would I go back to spend time with my grandparents? They were pretty rough.
Speaker 3:Well, we have different grandparent experiences. Yes, we did. I don't know.
Speaker 1:I don't know if I'd go back or not. I mean, I would love. How long would you go back for? Like what are we talking?
Speaker 2:Just to run it back, redo the whole thing? No, I wouldn't run it back.
Speaker 1:no, oh man, if I could start over you would start over. Maybe I used to think of this all the time. I would literally think what if I'm a baby and I'm dreaming all?
Speaker 3:of us.
Speaker 1:Oh, I've thought of that too when I was a kid, I'd think what if I'm a baby? Or I'd think what if I am completely? I don't know, Like I don't know how to explain it, and I'm just imagining this. I don't know.
Speaker 3:Like this is a simulation. Yes, well, you know, there are people that think it is.
Speaker 1:You know, there are people that think that this is a simulation and that there are npcs. What are those?
Speaker 2:non-player characters. Yes, is that what that means?
Speaker 3:I think so yeah, what's an nfc? An nft, nft what's that non-functional token.
Speaker 1:Non-functional token okay, so there are people that think that that is happening npcs are just like there are people who truly, 1000%, believe that there are NPCs. Yeah, which I'm like. What are you talking about?
Speaker 2:My son calls people NPCs and it's not a term of endearment, it's derogatory.
Speaker 1:Well, no, but these he's an NPC.
Speaker 2:He's just a nothing.
Speaker 1:He's a non-factor Boy. That's terrible.
Speaker 3:They call people that yeah.
Speaker 2:Like if you're not cool at school, you're an NPC.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's terrible, oh, that's awful.
Speaker 3:I was one. I mean for a minute, I was like until I could play music. I was literally an NPC, that's terrible. Yeah, what a terrible thought.
Speaker 2:I know.
Speaker 1:But no, there are people that think that there are just like drones walking around.
Speaker 3:Oh my gosh, yeah, and they 100% believe it.
Speaker 1:That's kind of cool. Does it, yeah, does it, does it.
Speaker 2:Does it, is it?
Speaker 3:cool to think about, do it.
Speaker 2:I have almost no. I was talking to a close friend about this. He has all kinds of fear about the economy and the universe and he's I've mentioned you to him before you guys will get along. Can you put them on a group chat? He's a conspiracy guy but he's not wacky about it. He's like, hey, there's legit stuff here, all that good stuff. And I'll listen to him and it astounds me that I have literally zero fear about external elements.
Speaker 1:Man, I can't imagine feeling that way.
Speaker 2:Like NPC, like their drones walk around. If that was true, I would just be like cool, that does not bother me.
Speaker 1:That doesn't freak me out and I don't believe it at all. Right, but that's how conspiratorial people are, but they believe that. But yeah, I don't go there, but I can't imagine not having fear.
Speaker 2:I mean, I have tons of fear.
Speaker 1:Just imagine not having fear. I mean, I have tons of fear, just nothing about like the world.
Speaker 3:Oh my gosh, I can't imagine feeling that way. I I don't really have a lot of fear either. Yeah, that's gonna work out, but I got so much shame filling that tank there's not a ton of room for fear you know, the shame is driven out. All fear, yeah, totally.
Speaker 1:But if I were to think about what is true? The truth is, none of it really matters. What's going to happen is going to happen, right?
Speaker 3:I don't know if I believe that, of course not.
Speaker 1:Is that nihilism? Do you believe that? Because if you believe that, then I don't believe it.
Speaker 3:No, what's going to happen then? It's kind of like well, why care?
Speaker 1:It's not why care, it's why stress about it.
Speaker 3:Okay, well, that's fine. I mean, if God's working, everything that happens for the good.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:I just don't. I mean, I do believe that the instant a thing happens, that the Lord is working that somehow for God's plans and purposes, I just don't feel like the who cares. Whatever happens happens.
Speaker 1:I think what we do matters. I'm talking about what's true.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 1:What I'm saying is what's true is.
Speaker 3:That doesn't really matter because what matters is higher. Boy, you don't Nailed it when you're cussing with your podcast in the bathroom. That is not.
Speaker 1:I'm so mad right now.
Speaker 2:You are cussing at your podcast in the bathroom.
Speaker 1:Well, I like to watch MSNBC.
Speaker 3:Okay, just to be mad. Not just to be mad, just to get yourself all worked up.
Speaker 1:No, just because I need to know what's going on. It's jacked to know what's going on? It's jacked is that these people are crazy. All right, yeah, bsc. What's that?
Speaker 3:that's crazy okay, you said that. Well, but no, that's you, know you, that's what you think they are. Am I correct? A lot of them yeah, yeah, I mean she'll. She'll turn on MSNBC. I'll be like babe, can we not? Because I know she's just going to get mad. Yeah, we should probably roll here in a minute. I got a flat floor. We should probably shut it down here soon.
Speaker 2:What time is your flight?
Speaker 3:Sometime later this evening.
Speaker 1:It's afternoon.
Speaker 2:Well, I got to get here this afternoon because I got to go to. Yeah, when do?
Speaker 3:you come back, I can't even think straight, right now A couple weeks yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh, you're gone for a while.
Speaker 3:Come here, baby. Yeah, bro, come on Bro, because I said you don't have.
Speaker 1:Does she have to be on Because? I said she doesn't have makeup on she's gonna be so it's audio as I look in the you can't make her do myself I keep dude, my, you know, my kids are the same way, because I said no, I know my kids don't budge no same.
Speaker 2:I'm like what are we doing?
Speaker 3:and you know what a lot of time they make sense.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know they this one doesn't Get up here.
Speaker 3:There was I'm here when we were living in California, this sweet teenage couple used to sit behind us in church and she fell pregnant and Jennifer and I had very loose contact with them, didn't know them that well at all, but we found out the girl was. She was a teenager and she got pregnant and we had kind of just just kind of watched from afar, going wonder what she's going to do she. Anyways, we, we found out through our youth pastor that she was probably gonna put the baby up for adoption and her and I were like you know, should we pay attention to this a little bit? And so we did. We met with her and, uh, she was living with her mom, the boyfriend and her had broken up and she was going to give it up, the baby up for adoption, and we kind of were feeling like you know, what maybe we should insert ourselves into this a little bit and just see.
Speaker 3:Anyway, we went to meet her. She told us that when she prayed for the baby, she saw us as her parent, the baby's parents, and I mean it was like, okay, the Lord's telling us to walk in this direction anyways. So we didn't tell the kids anything about it. How long ago was this?
Speaker 1:Seven or eight years ago probably.
Speaker 3:I mean a good while ago. But I mean the kids were. There's no way we would have made this decision without them. But we got far enough into the process where it was real, and so we sat with them and we said hey guys, we're thinking about doing this, but the door shut real quick.
Speaker 3:It did after this, but the door was still open and we talked to them about it together and Sadie's reaction of course she was younger than Hutch, but her reaction was like I don't know, and we were like man. We thought you'd be really excited. I don't know, and we were like man, we thought you'd be really excited. And Hutch looked at us square in the face and said this is the dumbest idea you guys have ever had. And we went. What? Like? We thought you would be pumped about this. He goes. No, he goes. You guys should not do this.
Speaker 1:And we were like what does that say about us as parents?
Speaker 2:What does that mean? And so we were like what does that say about us as parents? But what does that mean?
Speaker 3:and so we were like he's like I don't wish my experience on anyone else. We were like okay, and I mean you guys cannot parent. But what's weird is after that I was like, well, we got to listen to that. But then after that it went sideways and she ended up keeping the baby yeah um, but they were like no, no, you should not do this. Don't do this, okay.
Speaker 1:They were right.
Speaker 3:Weird. They were right. They were right.
Speaker 1:But it just didn't happen?
Speaker 3:The kids with our kids. If they don't want to do something, it's not going to happen. They're not pledging.
Speaker 1:Which she's completely Sadie. You're making us look so bad, good.
Speaker 2:She said good, everybody, thanks for listening. Drew, what do you got? Coming up this week anything denver tomorrow, denver, okay, and you love it out there yeah, I'm actually going out a day early, so I'm gonna do like a take sunday and drive up into the mountains and find a some water somewhere and put my feet in it.
Speaker 3:Cool if you. If you want to get a hold of him, he's at Drew Powell. What was it For what?
Speaker 2:Instagram, yeah, I don't know what is my? Drew Powell 82. Drew Powell underscore 82.
Speaker 3:And this is my Jenstagram the Gospel According to Jeremy. We are so glad you are here. It would be great if you could like or comment. That helps us with our podcast promotion. Subscribe, Subscribe, Subscribe. But yeah, like if you lead a review. That's the thing, evidently, that really helps. Yeah, if you want to pay Hutch for anything that he's doing.
Speaker 1:Put that in the show notes.
Speaker 3:And what are you doing? You're here, you're just doing.
Speaker 1:What do you mean? What am I doing? I'm doing the laundry and no, you're going to the shows. Yes, football practice, that's what I'm doing. Yeah, I've got football practice later. Oh cause you're arm pads. I've got my pads on. Are they back? Cause.
Speaker 3:I'm seeing a lot of boot cut pants too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's starting to happen. That's sad.
Speaker 3:Like Abercrombie-ish.
Speaker 1:That's sad, sad, sad and also low cuts coming back.
Speaker 3:Oh, really Sad, Mom. Jeans are out now.
Speaker 1:They're going out. I don't know if they're out.
Speaker 3:Have you kept any of?
Speaker 2:your ones from a long time ago. No, the boot cuts. Or the mom jeans the low cut, the low cut.
Speaker 1:Oh gosh, Do you know how comfortable low cut jeans are when you have a stomach?
Speaker 3:Are they great? Yeah, because your stomach hangs out over the top. Why do you not want them to come out then?
Speaker 1:Because it's such a pain Anytime you sit down.
Speaker 2:Butt cracks out. Butt crack is out.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that life, yeah, it's a pain, as you know. That's true, I live it, you know, you live it. I left some of my jeans in florida and so we had to go to a thing last night and I the pair of jeans that that actually fit, they had the zipper was blown out, and so I got.
Speaker 1:We have a couple of those super long um great, big, huge, like safety pin kind of things, like like ones that you would put in a kilt like three inches long, and so I popped one in there, but all night last night I was worried about that thing just springing open. I was like you shouldn't do that. That's way dangerous.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it feels, but the two pair of jeans I tried on you told me looked horrible.
Speaker 1:Well, because you're starving yourself. I'm not starving.
Speaker 3:I'm eating, I'm just I'm trying to. I mean, my whole goal when I'm by myself is save money. Yeah, and so I'm going and getting like the egg white bites from Starbucks and Wawa.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:You know, I put my Venmo in the show notes. You know, if you're worried about my weight, you can send me some money and I'll spend it on food. There you go. Yeah, my mom will. Sometimes she'll vent me a little bit. Oh honey, just get yourself a meal, oh honey oh honey, that's what she says.
Speaker 1:Oh honey, get yourself a meal, get you some yeah, alright, everybody, blessings to you.
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