The Gospel According to Jeromy
Welcome to "The Gospel According to Jeromy" podcast, where faith, humor, and heartfelt stories collide in a lively conversation about life, love, and everything in between. Join your host Jeromy Deibler, along with co-hosts Jennifer Deibler and Drew Powell, as they share the Dieblers journey from being the acclaimed Christian band FFH to their current path in spiritual direction.
In this engaging and candid podcast, Jeromy, Jennifer, and Drew offer a unique blend of perspectives on spirituality, mental health, emotional well-being, and personal growth. Drawing from their extensive experiences on the road and life's ups and downs, they explore the joys and challenges of faith, all while sprinkling in some humor along the way.
Get ready for spirited debates, deep dives into controversial thoughts, and heartwarming memories as they invite you into their world of faith, questions, and spiritual exploration. Whether you're a longtime believer, a spiritual seeker, or simply someone looking for meaningful conversations, "The Gospel According to Jeromy" podcast has something for everyone.
Tune in to join the conversation, laugh, learn, and be inspired as Jeromy, Jennifer, and Drew navigate the twists and turns of life's spiritual journey. It's a podcast that's as diverse as their experiences and as authentic as their hearts. Subscribe today and embark on a captivating exploration of faith, laughter, and the adventure of the human spirit.
The Gospel According to Jeromy
Mike Weaver and So Many Things
Have you ever wondered what it’s like to share a chiropractic session with your entire band? Join us for a laugh-out-loud episode of "The Gospel According to Jeremy," where we explore hilarious chiropractic adventures and the awkward sounds that sometimes escape during an adjustment. Our special guest, Mike Weaver, gives an inside look at his band's tradition of group chiropractic visits, while Jennifer shares a touching story of much-needed relief during an MS flare-up. Plus, we have a heartwarming chat about our son Hutch Deibler, who has grown from a knee-high kid into a talented podcast producer.
Get ready for an emotional rollercoaster as we reminisce about playing at the Grand Ole Opry and the bittersweet memory of a brother who never got the chance to perform there. Feel the camaraderie and excitement of our early touring days with Rebecca St. James and FFH, and the joy of introducing Big Daddy Weave to new audiences. We also dive into the journey from independent albums to record deals, highlighting the friendships and support that have guided us through the ups and downs of the music industry.
In this episode, we also tackle modern slang like "bussin," our bewilderment over ASMR videos, and the generational language barrier that keeps us on our toes. We explore family dynamics, from gambling wins to homeschooling challenges, and share our shared love for movies, even as we transition to watching more children's films. Wrapping it up, we delve into the touching story of Eli's gift for ministry and the miracles we've witnessed through Big Daddy Weave's performances, showing the profound impact of faith and music. This episode is a perfect blend of humor, nostalgia, and heartfelt stories that will leave you both laughing and deeply moved.
Hey everybody, welcome to the Gospel According to Jeremy I'm Jeremy Dibler with Jennifer, our friend Mike Weaver this week, produced by Hutch Dibler. Come on, dude, that's what I'm talking about. This is Jennifer, our friend Mike Weaver, this week produced by Hutch Dibler.
Speaker 2:Come on, dude, that's what I'm talking about. This is a full circle moment right here.
Speaker 1:For you, it probably is.
Speaker 2:Last time I saw Hutch Dibler, he was up to my knee or whatever. Well, maybe a little taller than that, but that's so wild and he's a fully grown human being. Now you know what I mean.
Speaker 3:He's a grown man.
Speaker 2:He's producing podcasts and all kinds of look at this man. It's incredible.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's a handsome boy too, isn't he?
Speaker 2:It is, he is man, he's a looker. I'm telling you, I tell you, it's good, he's got good folks, he's a cutie pie chiropractic.
Speaker 1:there you do.
Speaker 2:you know what they do, the chiropractor it's some kind of like bone structure karate that's going on back there. You can, we do it as a in big daddy weave. We uh, like, uh. It's some a type of sport. So if we get adjusted around each other, we sit and listen to the sounds that come out of each other, you know.
Speaker 2:And so there's. There's one level of sound that is the actual bone cracking or whatever, like you know, but then there's the other sound that people make or accidentally make, and we won't even go into that, which is my favorite thing of all time.
Speaker 1:I haven't farted on the table, but I have held it in Dude.
Speaker 3:Last year I had a Well sometimes when they put that towel around your neck. Have you seen those ones on the the?
Speaker 2:ring dinger dude, that's the thing, man, you do, it, it I well, I mean I do that if they suggest that. But my chiropractor was like you know I wouldn't do that very often. You know it's like a, that's like the move from, like mortal combat. You know where they like finish him and they like rip their spine out or whatever. That was like a. That's one of those things like yeah well.
Speaker 3:So I don't know how you'd hold it in in the ring dinger.
Speaker 1:I don't know either is that the name of it?
Speaker 2:yeah it's the ring it's the ring dinger, and that's and that's exactly what people cry and stuff.
Speaker 1:It pulls your neck and makes fart come out.
Speaker 3:Well, what I'm saying is, if you are trying to hold it and they wrap that towel around your neck and okay there's no way you're holding it there. There's no way but things are happening.
Speaker 2:There's so much other noise going on, people may not notice. You know what I mean, so that's cool. And it's like. My favorite, though, was our guitar player, jeremy Redmond, which he's going to love that I just told this on here. One day. One day we're all in the room together, you know, because sometimes we have some amazing friends who are all chiropractors. They come out to the show and we hang out and they'll adjust everybody.
Speaker 2:And so, man, and it happened one day and it was like this, you know kind of happened, and then it's like the whole room goes silent. The whole room goes silent and we're just pretending like it didn't happen, but in the inside I was having a party. I just want you to know that was.
Speaker 3:Did you bring it up later? That was amazing. Yes, okay, thank you 100%.
Speaker 1:You have to talk about it. I love that it happened to Jeremy, because he's so pretty, yeah, and he's kind of put together.
Speaker 3:He's suave yeah, he is, he's like the suave dude. And then he farts on the table.
Speaker 2:It happened to him. I'm always scared that it's going to be pretty.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:There's nothing pretty about it.
Speaker 3:There's nothing pretty when anyone does it.
Speaker 2:It has never happened to me, though, and I'm just like knocking on wood or whatever. Thank you, lord.
Speaker 1:Yes, grace, we've got a friend that she has made it her thing to take care of me. She's like I take care of you, you take care of other people, and that's just the way it works, and so that's awesome. I had a ms flare up last year and she said I'm seeing a chiropractor, I want you to go um, and so she paid for it for a couple of months and I was able to go a couple times a week and it was. It was wonderful. Except there was uh, there's two different doctors at this place and the, the guy, the guy that was started, I mean he was fine, great, but he wasn't there one day and so I got assigned to the other one and she was unbelievable and she had this move which I've been to. My grandmom used to go to chiropractor, so I've been gone since I was a little kid. Still have no idea what they do, right, anyway, she had this move where she would. I mean, I, a friend of mine, both went to this girl. We called it the hug, but she would put it all on me, just and she was a big girl no, she was she wasn't
Speaker 3:she I don't remember that oh, I just remember I thought she was kind of bigger was she okay, you'd have to be strong to do what she does to you. Okay.
Speaker 1:I don't know if she's a listener or not, but she isn't now. Well, that's nice. So anyway she would bring it in and somehow put all 110 pounds of herself just right on me. And it was unbelievable. I mean, it was just like I just turned into jello yeah, I would tell her. I mean, there'd be a time where she'd forget and I'd be like, hey, listen, are we gonna do the hug thing? And she'd be like, yeah, we're gonna do it.
Speaker 2:I forget when we started, but I think my I don't know.
Speaker 1:I don't know if you've used microphones a lot, but you probably need to. Well, it's like it depends.
Speaker 2:It depends on if you've used microphones a lot, but you probably need to.
Speaker 1:It depends.
Speaker 2:Because, if you get too close and you're like, and it sounds like an explosion of some kind.
Speaker 3:These are cheap, they're not.
Speaker 1:Are they not? My brother got us these.
Speaker 3:Oh, never mind, I assumed they were cheap because we paid for them.
Speaker 2:This is incredible. Is this how the podcast goes? It's chaos. You can't see hutch from here.
Speaker 1:There's just a like, there's just a look, there's just a look of exasperation, like, just like, oh my god, this is my parents, so I'm guessing you haven't gone back and listened to any of these, so into any of these podcasts yet?
Speaker 2:no, not yet, not yet, but I can see what I would want them for, the side conversations more than I would want them for the actual guest.
Speaker 3:It's mostly side conversation.
Speaker 1:We're already into it, that's great, I'm there.
Speaker 2:I'm here for it. I'm here for it. Am I close enough to the microphone?
Speaker 3:I think so I'm kidding, he was getting ready to talk.
Speaker 2:When I get this close to the microphone. I don't know if I can see over this stand right here? I no, because I can't see you, you got to kind of pick one. You know what I mean, right.
Speaker 1:All right. So Leah, my grandma, she used to, so she was. I think you probably met them at a couple of shows we did. They've since they passed away Extinct they are extinct Anyway. So she was into chiropractic and a lot of other stuff and she, I was with her all the time so she took me to the stuff that she did. And she had one. She had a season where she was, you know, she was always trying to lose weight. She, she wasn't fat, but she always wanted to lose weight. Anyway, she had a season where she would, we would go to these Mennonite ladies house and she would lay on these different tables that would just shake her. I mean, it would just take her body, her entire body, and just it was so weird. And I remember thinking as like I must've been seven or eight. I remember thinking then there's no way this is working.
Speaker 3:I don't know, I don't know what this is doing, but it is not helping.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but must be jelly, cause jam don't shake that way. You know what this is doing, but it is not helping. Yeah, but must be jelly, because jam don't shake that way, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:It's like this Absolutely All right.
Speaker 3:So where did you come up with that one? My dad used to say that to me. Okay, Because I was like what All fat?
Speaker 2:people have sayings. You know what I'm saying we have different rhetoric that we bring with us, so that we bring with us.
Speaker 1:The last time we saw you, you were playing the Opry. How cool was that. Oh man, Was that your first time?
Speaker 2:That was our second time, so cool, man. My regret, yeah, because we were there. That was a heavy night, though, man, because we're playing these songs that, I mean, are ones that people would know, but then we got to share this song about. Jay my brother, oh man, and so that night, man, I had to get out of there after that because that was just he never got to play there.
Speaker 2:It was like the other time that we played it was like he was having this operation or something, and so it was like it just had me in a weird space. That's a legendary place to play man.
Speaker 3:And so.
Speaker 2:I love getting to play there when we get to, and it's kind of an open invitation because I guess they have so many nights to fill that. It's kind of like people in Christian music are coming out now too.
Speaker 1:And that's so cool. It's really cool. But we didn't get that email either.
Speaker 3:You guys? I want that email. Yeah, you need to do it.
Speaker 2:We need to get up there and render one of these days.
Speaker 1:That's right.
Speaker 2:One of these days there and render one of these days.
Speaker 3:That's right. One of these days, dude, with the whole opry band playing that.
Speaker 2:That would be so cool that would be kevin that would be the dream one of these days yeah, dude, those singers sing like perfectly, it's, they're amazing, they're machines. That's the dream right.
Speaker 3:There is to be a backup singer on the opry man.
Speaker 2:You have to be like the best like you have to be like, so on it, you know I'm like gosh dude. I was so impressed with everybody who played there.
Speaker 1:It was so great well, some friends of ours were like, hey, um, the husband, uh, he had a birthday there. The wife was like, hey, trans, birthday's coming up. We're thinking about going to the opry. Do you want to go? And we'd never been.
Speaker 3:How weird is that almost 30 years. That is wild. I mean, we've been in the building, we played the dove awards and stuff there, but we've never been to an Opry night, a regular Opry night.
Speaker 1:And so we were getting ready to go in and Cass was like yeah there's a couple of people that I don't know, this band, big Daddy something, and I said what? Wait a minute, big Daddy Weave.
Speaker 2:Dude, that is so wild man.
Speaker 1:How cool is that?
Speaker 2:And so you guys just turned up and we were there and it's like man that was, that was wild man. There's so many memories, dude, and so much history, uh, in context, man, so for big daddy we've. So we had been on tour once with rebecca saint james, but you guys, I mean we must have played what 80 dates together a lot that year like 80 dates together with ffh. The first time we were lit on like a legitimate bus. We got to ride on like the crew bus man, and that was like we weren't in a van anymore.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean. That's the best. That was such a big deal, man.
Speaker 2:We were like we have arrived, you know.
Speaker 3:When did we? When you first get on a bus, it's so awesome, do you remember?
Speaker 1:the year we made that record, so for those of you listening. So Mike Weaver is the front man for Big Daddy Weave. He and his brother Jay founded that band. I met them through. Someone gave me their album.
Speaker 2:Like an independent thing we had done. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And then a friend of ours was working at a record label and we kind of together brought them to town and made an album.
Speaker 3:She owned the record label she did. Yeah, she owned it. She owned the record label she did. She wasn't working there. Yeah, she owned it.
Speaker 1:They hired me to produce it, which I had never produced anything other than our stuff. And you know, you guys, you were just, I mean, we got in there and I was like, okay, so this is not going to be hard. Oh, dude, they were, but do you? Okay? So?
Speaker 2:it was like what was it? Is it 2000, 2001?
Speaker 1:yeah, I mean, that was 20, it was 20 years ago.
Speaker 3:Yeah, at least yeah, okay, yeah, yeah because when we did that tour he was six weeks old oh, that is so. That is so wild man when we did that because I don't remember it at all I just remember.
Speaker 1:So we we had done, we had done a tour with before that I can't remember how long it was before this, but we had done a tour with Point of Grace and they were really good at taking care of you know us as you know, front people and whatever you call it. And so they, you know they were introducing us to a whole new audience and they let us play right before intermission. And so I remember that's what we did with you guys and I remember coming out, you know, peeking out at intermission and just seeing lines of people at your CD table and just going, oh boy.
Speaker 2:And we're just wide eyed dude. We don't have any idea about anything.
Speaker 3:And you guys kill it. You killed it. It was so much fun. I mean when you guys, yeah, you guys are so great.
Speaker 1:You guys crush a 30-minute set. I mean it's just like it's like what just happened.
Speaker 2:It was so cool you know we were I was listening to that record. So I was listening to that record. So the record that we made together, was called.
Speaker 3:One and Only.
Speaker 2:So I was listening to it on the way over here. Man, it's been a while since I listened to it and man, there's so many things on that record that still kind of hold up, you know, lyrically and musically, because it was just, it kind of went for kind of this raw sort of like thing, it was raw yeah. And I dig that listening back to it. But one of my favorite things was your monitor engineer at the time, chris Biggs, who is still a great friend of our family and lives in Texas now and we just, we love the Biggs like so much.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they're great, but every night before there's some people who are like artistes, you know what I mean, and they're like they're going to paint this picture and somehow people are going to see God in the picture of the song that they painted For us. Dude, we're just like Jesus, you know what I mean. We're like straight up Jesus.
Speaker 2:And so we're about to sing these straight up Jesus songs and he is playing in our in-ear monitors up to the very second before they finish, the intro of us coming on the most heavy gangster rap you've ever heard the most profane things going on in our ears, man, and we would endure it because we wanted to see it stress out our drummer, jeff jones at the time, man, because he was, he was about to pass out from it, because, because it would literally be like this most, I can't even repeat the things that were being like sung in our ears and then it was like big daddy weave, he would stop it. We started the song and it's like it was the bad. Some of the greatest memories of my life, man.
Speaker 1:You know funny. I can remember Jeff being stressed.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he was stressed about it.
Speaker 1:He's like the animal in the room that just assumes all of the stress of everyone, Just like yeah. I'll just carry this, he's he's.
Speaker 2:he was Mr Responsibility, you know, and so, but man I was listening to those tracks too, though, man, and he was killing it. He was just like he played great drum. Fills that were on there were just like I mean he's, yeah, he played great Dave Matthews was kind of the thing back then, and so we were being influenced by all of that. And there was this indie band called King Konga too.
Speaker 1:I was. I remember you love, I was super super into.
Speaker 2:I could hear all the things. I was like I know where I stole that from. You know where? I stole that from you know, and that's it you know, because it's been a hit before it can be a hit again, right, that's what you have to always it worked once right it will work again and it will be again.
Speaker 1:you, yeah, it'll just keep coming around right there. Nothing, nothing is new, right, he's playing stuff. You know, I hear stuff coming out of Hutch's bedroom and I'll be like Daddy, come in here and listen to this drum sound or whatever, and I'll be like it's amazing. I mean, I heard it 20 years ago. It's third eye blind, but it's amazing. Yeah, it still holds up, that's awesome. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I love hearing things come back around like that and then I realize I am ancient.
Speaker 1:You know, what I mean it's like at that same time, how old are you? Are you 40, 48? Yeah, 48, okay, so we're not.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we're not that much different in age. Yeah, well, you are for me, but I've I remembered you being way younger I always act.
Speaker 2:I probably acted juvenile, that's what it was, I think.
Speaker 3:When we I don't know. I think it's now that we're all.
Speaker 2:I think the older you get, the closer everybody gets to you know jay, younger than you he was three and a half younger okay but he always kind of functioned like older, yeah, you know it's like he, he kind of was the hero in the situation you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, how long has he been gone? Is it a year?
Speaker 2:and so he passed in, uh, the beginning of 2022, so january 2nd of 22.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, well, I remember you were really helpful for me when dad died because you know somebody. A couple of people asked me, you know, when I got back from the funeral and everything and they're like, do you have anybody you can talk to? And I didn't really. And so I called you and I said, can we just get an omelet? And you knew dad and so and everything that went along with that, so that was really helpful.
Speaker 2:And to me too, man, Just to have somebody be able to empathize. We're super grateful for your voice in our lives all those years ago too, man, Because when you showed up it was kind of like a big brother to Big Daddy Weave yeah, Because you were already down the road a little ways.
Speaker 2:I remember around that same time we opened up for and they were still an indie band Mercy Me at that time too. And then we found out they had just signed a record deal. And we had looked at a couple of record deals and we're like there's nowhere in the rest of the financial or business world anybody would ever sign this contract, do you know what I mean? And so we were not going to do it. Yeah, I remember that. And then and Bart was just, we were like Bart, you guys have a bus, you have insurance, you have like all these things.
Speaker 2:We thought they had everything you could ever possibly need. You know, we could only imagine. Right and so and then and he just shared with us, you know and then, right on the heels of that is when you stepped in and we don't know anything about anything and we're terrified because everything you ever hear is like somebody's going to take advantage of you and actually you find out.
Speaker 2:there's some pretty amazing folks here. There's some gnarly things around too, but it's like to me that has really been few and far between. I've really found more brothers and sisters in Jesus than anything.
Speaker 1:I'm actually glad you brought that up because, because I mean, Hutch and Jennifer have heard me say this a lot now it's kind of something that I say. But, um, you know, I see a lot of clients that have hurt from both church and the music business and it's real, but I, I feel a bit like a unicorn, cause I don't really have church hurt and I don't really have music business hurt. You know, I, I it's been, both of them have been a pretty positive experience.
Speaker 1:I mean there've been some sadness and disappointments, but most of the friends I, most of the early friends I made, I still have them, you know, and and we all kind of have this same like, there's some pretty good people in this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man all kind of have the same like there's some pretty good people in this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, man, the people that, um, the people that seem to be maybe that don't get why they're doing they don't last. You know that what the people that are in the music business for maybe an ulterior, they're just they're, they don't, they're not around, you know it. Yeah, it sort of has its way of spitting them out, I think.
Speaker 2:I think that you kind of find out there's not as much to be gained from it as you had imagined.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's for sure.
Speaker 2:Whatever you know luster there was on it. You find out real quick You're like, yeah, dude, no, this is a job you know, and it's like, and honestly, if you don't have, you know, a heart for ministry, then you'll kind of it's easy to get ate up by it.
Speaker 1:For sure, that's true. I mean, I'm thankful there were seasons where and I'm sure you had these too there were seasons where the checks were bigger, but you got to be smart with those, because it's all going away.
Speaker 2:And it's not like in the world or whatever, where there's like if you have like a hit song in the world, like if you're like in the police or something you know what I mean it's like dude. You can still live on that.
Speaker 3:Check you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:It's like not so in the.
Speaker 2:CCM realm.
Speaker 1:I think Bart might be doing all right. We can only imagine him like that, but it's like, but that's the. I mean that's, yeah, he's probably doing all right. Yeah, man, I'll tell you the way to get rich is doing a podcast. You want to make money. That's why I came running all the way out here. That was like dude.
Speaker 3:I'm going to look for that mailbox money from this episode. How much does that pay? I'm like no, it costs us money.
Speaker 2:We pay to do it, we pay to do this some things you do for a living, some things you do with a living no, what hobbies do you have?
Speaker 1:well, we pay for this. Yeah, yeah, okay, so it's. You said 17, 15 and 14, that's what?
Speaker 2:13? Yeah. So so my kids, yeah, eli, yeah, 17 years old, great drummer, man Budding, singer. He's starting to write songs. 15 years old Zeke, he is like me. He likes to sit on the couch and he likes to watch as much story as he can. He loves that. He loves movies, but a pretty great bass player.
Speaker 3:Playing his uncle's basses man, and it's great, oh cool.
Speaker 2:And then Naomi oh man, she's the one that she just can't help herself. She can play whatever she puts her hands on, and then she sings just great, and it sounds older than her age. We were at something we played at this women's conference. We had a song we'd done as a, a duet, and we wanted to sing it. And uh, we had been doing it with another young lady who'd been out on tour with us and um, she wasn't there, and so I asked naomi if she could sing the girl part of this song. And so she comes out. It's 10 000 ladies at this women's conference.
Speaker 2:She comes out there I was way more nervous than she was and just sings it and man, the whole place goes crazy. And then I'm like an emotional wreck, dude. I don't know if I'm going through like menopause or something, dude. You know, I'm just like I'm just weeping dude and I'm just it's. It was the most wonderful thing. And so to me now my favorite thing, because I mean we're still Big Daddy Weave is still doing it, we're making records, we're traveling, all that stuff.
Speaker 2:But it's like my very favorite thing is whenever I get to sing with my kids and specifically just lead worship with my kids.
Speaker 3:Oh, that's super cool. I love it, man. Yeah, I got to do that with Hutch recently. We filled in at a church and he led worship and I sang with him. Dude, that's awesome and it was so cool. It was just like I don't know, it was surreal in a way and I don't know it really is, it's really special.
Speaker 2:It's a beautiful thing. We were at a thing the other day. It was like a little camp and Naomi sang with me and it's like there's a part she's singing the lead and then you flop and sings the harmony and it's, and there's this thing we almost don't even have to figure out, you know, and I'm like I didn't know it could be this fulfilling, you know.
Speaker 3:It just really it adds a whole, a layer that you didn't realize was even possible.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think I'm I don't know if this is what you find too, but it's and I think it is because of Jeremy, you're like your your spot and even like kind of walking with people through different situations and like you know, because you guys have been through things and you get to walk with people through things. Now I think that that's where we sort of are as well. A big part of Big Daddy Weave is celebrating this younger group of people. That's like coming up and I feel like when I see them succeed, like I feel like it happened to me. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:It's like I feel that excited about it you know there's a young lady right now out with us. This is probably the fifth tour that we've been out together and Hannah Kerr and her husband Jason, have been out on the road with us and man, just awesome songs.
Speaker 2:Man, just real heart, connecting songs. But also man, just a heart to really minister to people and see the Lord move in a room and I've seen her and her husband both be down front and praying for people and just the Lord moving and I see them grow every single tour and I'm just like I think that's it, dude. I don't know if that's when you just I got older or whatever, but it was like. I was like that's what I wanna see. You know, I want to see the next. What's next? You know, because often, often I have seen in church, I have seen like the whatever God was previously doing becomes the enemy of what God is about to do or is currently doing, you know and I've really asked the Lord to not let it be that way with us.
Speaker 2:We want to be a support and we want to be the cheerleaders for the next generation.
Speaker 3:What do you think that is? What do you think causes that?
Speaker 2:I don't know, man. You know I think it's just itself. You know I think it's. You know you want to be the one that God uses. You want to be. And really I think, when we abandon that and we seek for the kingdom, Right. And what his agenda is, what he wants to do in a room, then you know that's, that's the most fulfilling places to see what he wants to go forward. You know it's good we got to keep.
Speaker 1:We got to keep moving forward. Like you know, at some point and and you know, I, I kind of get it, cause you have kids, and then you know, you get, get you kind of want to put down roots or whatever and you go, okay, this is where I stop, but we got to keep. No matter what, we need people to keep going forward, like the whole way. It's like 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, um, I mean, I regularly meet with, uh, john mays and in his 60s what a good man, but he keeps, he's still moving forward. Yeah, like, I'm like I need this, I need to be able to see. You know, I need people, people who are older than me.
Speaker 1:I, I will say it's funny that you said that, um, you know, hutch, hutch started playing in our bands when we lived in california. He was probably 15 or 16 and you know that was five years ago now and he's. Now we're getting into a place where he's better than me and and so I, I'm all for him being better than me, but he'll, he'll sometimes come in and go, hey, listen to this mix, what do you think? And I'll go well, okay, so it's great. And he'll be like well, what would you change, and I'll tell him and he'll go. No, that's not right, and I want to go.
Speaker 2:I sold a lot of records. And he's like that was a long time ago, dude.
Speaker 1:That is so old. Yeah, they're not records anymore. Exactly.
Speaker 2:Hutch's face is like this please stop bringing me into this podcast right now. He's like I'm in here because I have to be. I'm about to unmute this mic.
Speaker 1:He's actually been on the podcast. We did one. Are your kids talking with weird words?
Speaker 2:Like tap and bussing. Yeah, I mean Facts.
Speaker 3:Facts, so facts, facts. I hate it.
Speaker 1:I'm like this stuff is dumb, just be cool Bussin is so stupid.
Speaker 2:I don't even understand what that means. Bussin what does that?
Speaker 3:mean it's good, it's Bussin. How did we get to Bussin?
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, I don't know, but I'll tell you what. What bothers me more Is some of the things that they want to make YouTube videos of.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 2:So it's like this is so when we were on the road. So there's a young artist named Ann Wilson who's tearing it up right now.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 2:And she came like. I think we were her FFH at that moment you know, so she came out with us and she's wide-eyed and she's riding on a bus with a bunch of stanky dudes and like all this stuff. But she's showing us and she is saying these things like bussing right.
Speaker 1:Okay, oh wait, how old is she.
Speaker 2:So there's no telling. She's like, I mean, she's a child. She's like what? Like 20 years old or 21 years old or something.
Speaker 1:Is she that young? Okay, so she can say bussing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she can pull that off Okay. But so she shows us this video, though, of what is called ASMR Am.
Speaker 3:I saying that, right Hutch.
Speaker 2:Yes, what is this? It's just like people chewing.
Speaker 3:It's just mouth noise.
Speaker 2:And I had a physical reaction. It drove me from the room because they're close-mic'd on this chewing sound and this is somehow comforting to people. This makes me want to check myself into an institution, y'all. You know what. I'm saying Because I don't understand how this is helping.
Speaker 3:It's like combing hair, like yes or else like taking a bristles of a brush and doing just yeah, it's just noise, making these noise annoying noise and I'm just like what?
Speaker 2:how did that become a thing like that was a we, so I don't know. That must have been a pandemic thing, isn't it? It's like people were sitting around in their homes, they had nothing else left to do and they're literally like I'm just going to record the sound of what it was like to eat popcorn, or whatever.
Speaker 3:But who found that comforting?
Speaker 2:I don't know, man, but I think it needs to be something that's addressed on a spiritual level and be cast out of a generation of young people. I agree.
Speaker 1:I think it's annoying too. I don't, you know, I think it's annoying too. I don't care that they're doing it, but they're making money doing it. I mean, you're making money going.
Speaker 3:With the bristles.
Speaker 1:What requires less?
Speaker 3:Oh, this could be.
Speaker 1:No, that's not it, it's grappling it's getting close.
Speaker 2:I don't know if you can hear it enough or not. It wasn't loud enough, it wasn't, but it was a good idea.
Speaker 3:He's so annoyed. No, it's not, it's not mother.
Speaker 1:I actually have a friend though. He does it, he listens to it, ew really, oh yeah, puts headphones on and listens to it during the day.
Speaker 3:Why, I don't know he likes it.
Speaker 2:This is what I'm saying. He's our age, he's being comforted by this. I don't get it. I don't get it at all.
Speaker 1:I think for me it's jarring Well especially because our kids like the chewing thing. Yeah, we watch TV during every meal because neither of them can stand chewing or music or something.
Speaker 2:It will make me leave the room Involuntarily. My legs pick me up and take me. I don't know how this happened without talking to my I'm just all of a sudden sitting in another room, going like it must have been the chewing, so you can hear me eating a banana from the garage and a banana like the quietest thing you can eat we call him skinny cheeks because you can hear everything he eats.
Speaker 3:It's so weird I don't know I don't, but she she'll have friends who smack and and she's like I just want to cry. It makes her so. Yeah, she's like it makes me want to cry.
Speaker 1:That's how you are with smells. You're a super smeller, oh my gosh Wow.
Speaker 3:I really hate it when you got sprayed by a skunk. It's no way to live.
Speaker 1:Oh, no, yeah, like what two weeks ago? Has it been that long, I don't know? She can still smell it.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, it's still on her face. I can't, and nobody else can smell it. And I can smell her when she comes in the room and I'm like, oh, get her away from me.
Speaker 1:Oh man, Are you guys animal people? No, no, no, no.
Speaker 2:Candace Weaver my wife is separated. Well, but so we did.
Speaker 1:Good thing she wasn't like around during the arc. Yes, it would have been just humans. She would have not made it.
Speaker 2:If she was one of, like you know, she was Ham's wife or whatever, you know what I mean Never would have made it.
Speaker 3:You know, it's like dude, it's like. Beans. Her name was Beans Ham and Beans, beans Ham and Beans.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that would have not happened. But my daughter, though, is like the biggest animal lover of all time.
Speaker 3:How does this work? She's like the animal whisperer right.
Speaker 2:So there was a cat that was wandering around the neighborhood and Naomi sort of kind of began to take care of the cat. We found out later it was the neighbor's cat, but so it became like this timesare pet sort of you know she had custody.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then the cat became ill, and the cat was spending more time at our house than at the neighbor's house, actually, but the neighbor was good with it because she loves Naomi also, and so then when the cat passed away man, that was a traumatic experience, man Like we had to go to the vet and they had to put the cat down and we stayed in the room with her you went to a vet.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for a cat that's not yours yeah, with the owner across the street because naomi loved this cat so much, right, and so we had to say goodbye to the cat, right? And then I told candace on the way out. I said you realize we are gonna have to get another cat now, right, and sure enough, there were some like cats in the neighborhood. A cat had a litter or whatever, and so we got this cat and the cat and the kids got together to name the cat. Oh, and they come back after they have their delegation or whatever, and they say, uh, we've decided to name the cat silverado.
Speaker 1:And um, it's this tiny little runt of the litter cat you know how did a bunch of kids get together and go? You know what silverado it's texas dude.
Speaker 2:Texas leaves its mark on people, and so candace is from texas so all of our kids are like texans on the inside.
Speaker 1:You know that's I do remember one thing. I don't remember you guys being as adverse to a record deal, but you did not want to move I remember you telling me dive we're never moving to nashville and then we're gone.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was like yeah you, though You'll end up here.
Speaker 1:You're a writer and dive. No, we're not doing it.
Speaker 2:Well, we used the N-word. We said never dude, when you tell God what you're not going to do. That's basically like volunteering. You know what I mean. You're like you know what I want'm gonna sit, buckle up, and then it's like and then you end up being like it's the best thing that happened to me, or whatever you know? You know what I'm never doing?
Speaker 1:what lottery that's exactly that's exactly what we said never being a millionaire.
Speaker 2:It's never worked. I've tried it after seeing it work the other way. It doesn't work that way reverse psychology.
Speaker 3:It doesn't work, it does not work that way.
Speaker 2:It worked for jay. Jay had the gift man Dude. I don't think I've ever talked about this on a thing before.
Speaker 1:Didn't you guys make a lot of stops in Vegas for Jay to win God's money?
Speaker 2:You know what was so crazy, dude? Because it was one of those things where I don't know if it was like this for you, because I was such a church kid by the first time we went to Las Vegas. I was terrified. It was just going to get on me and I was going to go to hell somehow or whatever you know what.
Speaker 1:I mean, and so.
Speaker 2:I was like get it off, get it off, you know, and so, but then, like a couple of times later, man, we just began to. You know, we came from this church background where it's like everybody like says praise the Lord and hallelujah, but then they stab you in the back with what they talk about behind your back, and you never really know who you're dealing with when you talk to people. But in Las Vegas you can ask them, man, and they will just tell you what's up. And so we were having this season of stopping the show at the end and just praying over people, people coming down sharing with us in Las Vegas, things that we didn't even know could happen, you know what I mean, and they're just like owning it.
Speaker 1:But how does that work Now?
Speaker 2:wait a minute. I don't even know what you're talking about right now, but we're definitely going to pray. We're going to pray a couple of times actually. Yeah, we can cover that. But so then, all of a sudden, I developed this love for the people there. They were just honest men. They're coming in from all kinds of different backgrounds, and that's not normal for CCM people to see those people come in the show a lot of times, yeah, and I just enjoyed it so much. So, as we're out there, though, one of the times they put us up in this hotel that every hotel out there has like a casino in it, right, Everything has a casino, 100% right.
Speaker 2:The entire town is a casino right, and so when Jay comes down we both have per diems. We have like 20 bucks to like eat lunch on or something. Jay or something jay goes by one of the slot machines and just puts in 20 bucks and he spent it all and jay, just jay, goes you know jay's voice, you know me.
Speaker 2:The talk's loud like this and he's real southern sounding like all this stuff, dude. His voice instantly changed when he pulled that thing and he goes michael, like that dude, he goes, his voice turns into like mickey mouse or something bro, and he just goes michael, I just won eight. I'm like Jay, take it and go cash it in right now. Don't do anything stupid, you're up. So, dude, from that moment on it's like everybody else in the group sort of had like so Joe, who plays keys, would also drive the bus. So he had this other income right.
Speaker 2:It's like Jeremy, who plays guitar. He also would like produce records and so he had this other income. I would write songs, so I had this other. Jay never had another income, but it's like he would constantly give and he was sort of the hub in the middle of the wheel of Big Daddy Weave and it was this crazy thing that God sort of gave him. From that moment on, if he ever put money in a slot machine, it would just come back.
Speaker 1:I mean it was, it was nuts and he's playing slots, which is the hardest, exactly, dude.
Speaker 2:And so here's. The deal, though, is like he literally would not spend it. He just called it God's money, wow, and he set it in this place in his closet, where there was literally like a stack of cash in his closet. He and his oldest daughter, mackenzie, would count God's money, and then he would listen to the Lord and he would do whatever Jesus told him to do with that money. So the opening band is in a van. He puts new tires on the van, you know what I mean. He sends somebody to seminary.
Speaker 1:He put these things and I'm telling you oh, wait a minute, so he's winning legit money, he is.
Speaker 2:I mean, I don't want to admit this to the government, I don't know, but it's like. Like, because I don't know if they can do this now, but it was probably closer to half a million dollars by the time it was over. Isn't that crazy? And people would get so mad. So one day I'm like Jay, pray it on me. I want you to give me the gift.
Speaker 2:So I go in and he goes all right, he goes, we'll have it. And he, like, taps me and I go all right, I receive it. And so then I go, bro, give me 20 bucks now, because I don't have any. I really ate my lunch.
Speaker 2:I used my per diem, yeah, and so I put it in and lose the whole thing. So I never tried again. It would worry my mom to death because she calls us out there and she's like where's Jason? I can't get Jason to answer his phone and I'm like he's in the casino.
Speaker 1:Mama. He's in the what, mom, you don't know how up he is.
Speaker 2:That bothered her Baptist mama-ness so bad. But it was incredible and he would win. It was a thing that people would marvel at. They'd go out with him and walk with him around the room and he kind of would just have the knack. He would go like I think it's this one and put it in it just comes out. That is amazing, I love it, but always in increments that he would never have to report it you know what I mean, right.
Speaker 2:At a time, and so it was like, but over I don't know, the better part of 10 years or something, it was probably.
Speaker 3:He was giving it all away anyway.
Speaker 1:Jay died up.
Speaker 2:He did. He did man, he did it was amazing.
Speaker 1:What does it say? The house always wins, not with Jay.
Speaker 3:Not with God, not with God's money.
Speaker 1:No way dude yeah. Not with God's shoebox full of money.
Speaker 3:We can't like I don't know, you don't want to go in there, going see I'm going to do God's money and then yeah, you gotta work, you gotta have the gift.
Speaker 1:I'd never have a shot at it because she can't stand.
Speaker 3:I can't handle it If we go through Vegas airport and I go.
Speaker 1:I've got a quarter, she'll go. You know you're not she cannot stand.
Speaker 3:I can't, I can't, I don't even like an arcade. I'm like it's such a waste of money.
Speaker 2:I get it, I get it there, I get it flavored water, but I can't spend, I can't spend a quarter in a slot machine.
Speaker 1:I'm like babe, it's just fun. Like, oh my gosh, it's not fun. To me that is not fun. We were going on a trip one time. The kids were with us and uh we this was back when we were living in California and we stopped on the way to the airport and I thought I'll be fun, I'll get a scratcher. I haven't done this I haven't done this in 20 years probably, and so I got in the car. I was like hey, I got us some scratchers.
Speaker 3:That makes the hair on the back. She was so mad.
Speaker 1:She's like why would you spend our money on the scratchers? I was like I don't know, I thought it'd be fun to do once, I don't know. Then we won. I think we won 15 bucks.
Speaker 2:I hate it, dude. Yes, and then you bought her a tea, or?
Speaker 3:whatever, and then it was all good right no it wasn't good, it's just like this for me.
Speaker 1:I don't know.
Speaker 3:I think it's the Baptist. It's the Baptist in me.
Speaker 1:I don't know.
Speaker 3:Yeah, well.
Speaker 1:I don't know You're stingy with stuff like that.
Speaker 3:Why would we waste this money? It's Kenny.
Speaker 1:It is probably Kenny. There, it's Kenny, it is probably Kenny.
Speaker 2:There's always kind of one of each there, right? You know what I mean. That's how it is. Candice is more frugal. She doesn't treat other people that way, but she always tries to take the hit. She will not spend the money, she will not do that, and I'm the guy who's like hey, let's get three of them.
Speaker 1:It's an experience. Yeah, Are you guys? Are the four of you a little scared of Candace?
Speaker 2:Well, we definitely have that reverential type of thing. Is that what you're calling it?
Speaker 1:Because I've been trying to explain it to her. This is a while ago, we were on the couch and we were talking about being scared, being scared. Hutch and Sadie and me. She was like am I scary?
Speaker 2:And the three of us were like yeah, we're probably all a little scared of you, and she's like really, and we're like, yeah, and she goes well good, as it should be, that's perfect man. It's kind of normal right. My thing is like I. I just feel like the other child in the family, you know oh yeah. And so we will be in this moment of like parenting, you know somehow, and I'm like, I'm nodding, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then she looks at me and I'm like no, yes, yeah.
Speaker 3:Is this good Is?
Speaker 1:this right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, I don't know, you know.
Speaker 1:Does she teach her kids at home? She?
Speaker 2:does. Okay, it's amazing too. I don't know how she does it, and it's brought her to her wits end at points. Heck yeah, but I'm telling you it's worth it. That'll do it.
Speaker 3:That'll do it, that'll do it, that'll do it, that'll do it, you turned. Scottish right. Is that Scottish?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it sounded like straight out of Saw Married and Axe Murder or whatever.
Speaker 3:Oh my gosh, I haven't heard Kid move now. Man, that's a blast from the past. I love it. I love it. That's so funny. Are you a?
Speaker 1:movie guy. Do you watch movies? I do.
Speaker 2:We like them.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, we do too. We watch TV and movies.
Speaker 2:It kind of took a turn more into, like you know, children's movies, like you know, because after a while so it was like everything was a Disney kind of movie or something for a while and then. But I love anything that like is worth seeing on the big screen.
Speaker 3:You know some things you can wait. It's fun when your kids get old enough and you can watch real movies with them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, isn't that so fun. That is where Zeke is right now, that's great. You know Zeke wants to watch, so we watched Braveheart the other day.
Speaker 3:you know oh okay.
Speaker 2:And then we talk about it and we like all kinds of things. It produces all kinds of things.
Speaker 1:Do a little Bible study at the end? Yeah, maybe not so much a Bible study.
Speaker 2:We might need to go do a Bible study, but there's a but we I enjoy that time with him, man.
Speaker 1:That's fun, I thought before we had kids, of course, all that out the window. When we had kids I was a way better parent before I was one. Anyways, going back to being scared, of Candace and Jennifer. I think maybe when the wife teaches the kids at home, because then they just run everything and so it's just like, look, you're in charge.
Speaker 2:I mean and it was different for you guys, because when you toured you would be together, right. But, it's like a lot of Candice's life has been with me on the road, like separately, and she has to. We were at a friend's house the other day who's a writer and an artist and all those things, and they were like you know, she's like if I did not run the house then it just wouldn't happen, because there's that's true, the schedule just won't allow for it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, I think that is something that's changed because, yeah, when she's home running things and it is like probably like clockwork because she has to, and then you're in and out of the schedule, kind of. Yeah, and then you're in and out of the schedule.
Speaker 2:She's good at that too, though, which is cool, because then, when we go and do these dates with the kids playing and everything she's like our road manager.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's nice and it's like it really works. So she's not on stage.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, no, no, that's never been her thing, no but she wanted to be the other member of Point of Grace in her heart. Oh, nice. So when you said, when you said point of grace a minute ago like it's dude, I mean cause she were, so she worked at the label for a long time was a marketing director at the label and then she did.
Speaker 3:I wondered I couldn't with you now? No, she didn't.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:And so but but. So when she was at the label at one point we moved from. Fervent was purchased by word.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And then you know, and then you know, and then now curb has purchased word, and then so it's like this whole thing or whatever. But so she used to work for word. Then after the late our label got bought and uh, and point of grace, then was kind of on the roster right and then she was kind of geeking out over that, that's my favorite, it's like in her, in her mind and in her heart, I think there still is a cross to bridge the great divide you know, it's like that song.
Speaker 2:She's still doing that thing you know those girls.
Speaker 3:When did she, when did she quit working at their label?
Speaker 2:when we had zeke um, so our second boy, he um she started working shortly after that okay and it's been. It's been awesome man, it's been so great that that's her full-time thing, is those kids and now it's like we're getting to that place because it's like with you guys and Hutch. It's like Eli is 17. This is his senior year, I feel like that feeling on her of like I'm just going to have to turn him loose.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and that is a heavy thing, and I'm sort of waiting and praying and being like what's that going to look like?
Speaker 2:Does he know what he wants to do? I think he wants to do ministry and music.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Man, he's a soul winner though. Man, he can take somebody from like, hey, those are really cool shoes to like. Have you ever thought about what happens when you die Like very quickly? You know, man, the church did this outreach. They were just loving on people and they're just like feeding people and it was like a mobile home kind of like area and Eli was out and they were playing cornhole with some of the young people who were there and he asked this kid he's like you know they were talking about his shoes because he loves shoes too. Your kids love shoes.
Speaker 3:Hutch loves clothes.
Speaker 2:My kids, specifically, are shoes man and they they will buy shoes and they will resell them. I don't even understand like a sneaker thing. Yeah, yeah exactly he's popping tags, but so that he's having this conversation with this kid about his shoes, you know. And then instantly he's like do you ever think about what happens after you die? And the kid goes not exactly.
Speaker 1:He's like I'm six man. Yeah, he was sort of like yeah.
Speaker 2:The kid's like more. He's closer to his age. But he's like but that's a basic listen child. Have you ever?
Speaker 1:thought about this what is die? What do you mean die?
Speaker 2:He says it to him no, dude, no, I haven't. And Eli goes how do you know if you'll go to heaven or not? And he goes I don't. And he goes what if I told you you could know, would you want that? And the kid just goes yeah, I would, I would want that. And they pray, man, and he just invites the Lord in, he tells them about Jesus. Then this is my favorite part of the story. The kid goes and gets his little brother and brings him back.
Speaker 2:Oh, my gosh and they share the same thing with him and they pray with his little brother and about that time how sweet is that their grandma comes busting out of the mobile home that she's living in and is like weeping after she hears this and goes like because the kids are just visiting their grandma.
Speaker 3:Oh my gosh, and she goes.
Speaker 2:I've been praying for these kids for like all this time and it's like, because the kids are just visiting their grandma oh my gosh, and she goes. I've been praying for these kids for like all this time and it's like, and it doesn't feel like you know how somebody can. You know, you're like dude, you're just putting on this God thing or whatever you know, or you have this overly religious thing or whatever.
Speaker 2:And it's not that way with Eli man. He just comes across natural. Just knowing you, I don't think it would be possible for it to be like that, yeah, for your kid to be like that.
Speaker 3:I mean, you're just so genuine and your love for jesus has always been so genuine and evident.
Speaker 2:You've always had a real winsome yeah like way about you, and then it's big daddies, man jay daddies, just have that thing. It's's just a natural, it's the Riz. You know what I'm saying, dude?
Speaker 1:No cap Mike.
Speaker 2:No cap, it's the Riz Y'all go look that up online.
Speaker 3:Yeah, exactly, I'll do that. Modern dictionary.
Speaker 1:I remember when we were recording that first tracking session. We go to lunch every day.
Speaker 2:That was my favorite part Big Daddy's be all about. We were like there's infinity places in Nashville to go to lunch, dude, not so much in Gulf Breeze, florida, and we were sitting there and Julian the engineer.
Speaker 1:He was sitting there talking to Jay and he's like Jay, what are your goals? Like what are you hoping to do? And Jules was being just nice it wasn't like an interview, but he was just making conversation and Jay's like I don't know, man, and Jules be like like what's your you know? Like what are your aspirations? And Jay goes well, julian, really I just want to hang out. And Julian's like well, yeah, but like what do you want to, what do you want to do? And Jay goes man, really I just want to.
Speaker 2:I just want to hang out. Dude, I'm telling you, if there's a way, it's like if there was a way we talked, we talked about this, we had long talks, but there's a way to hang out and make money, yeah, and we decided the closest thing to that is being a musician.
Speaker 1:That is awesome. He was dead serious. He was like Julian. I just really want to hang out. I just want to hang out. I just want to hang out a lot, dude.
Speaker 2:What was so cool about him, too, though, is that is where the most real stuff with people and Jesus happened. With Jay is because he was just hanging out, dude. There was this one night man, and I'm sorry if I keep over-spiritualizing everything, dude, and I'm sorry if I keep like over spiritualizing everything. These are just memories that are coming up to me. So there is this moment when we were playing an outdoor show somewhere in the Orlando-ish kind of area, and, man, I remember some people kind of heckling on one side of the deal.
Speaker 2:There's the other people who are actually attending the deal in the middle, and then we're singing this song, we have this song Redeemed, or whatever, right, it's like the deal in the middle. And then we're singing this song, we have this song redeemed, or whatever, right, it's like the apex of the set or whatever Right it's like. And I, all of a sudden, I'm singing a verse and I see Jay walk by in the crowd. Oh my gosh, I'm like he's supposed to be playing bass right now, and so I look and he has handed. He has handed the monitor engineer his bass, and the monitor engineer is reading on his phone.
Speaker 3:He's had to look up the charts to the song.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh, I love it and he's playing. Jay goes and stands in the field hanging out. He's just hanging out in the field and then I see this young lady come up to him and then just begin to just fall apart literally and I was like I could not wait for the show to be done because I was like I want, I got to hear what this was, dude. And so, um, I got like J-Dog, why did you just like leave the stage? I'm like what the heck just happened back there and he goes. Dude. About mid song he said Jesus told me to like put it down and go, wait for Vanessa is what he said. Oh my gosh, and so and he goes. So I did and I was like and so he goes. This young lady comes up and he goes. I go, vanessa and she goes, she looks shocked and he goes.
Speaker 2:Jesus never thought any of the things that you thought about you.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2:She just explodes into tears man. I have goosebumps into tears man, and it was just like, but that was like him hanging out.
Speaker 3:That's what was going on all the time. How do you get that connection, Do you think with Jesus? I mean he, he had a special connection and it was shifted.
Speaker 2:It shifted from the time that we were talking about you know when?
Speaker 3:yeah, the hanging out thing.
Speaker 2:And it was like at one point, you know, because it was all kind of like fart jokes and like some kind of thing it was like you were in the youth group, but like you never got to go home.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:It was like all the time, you know, and but then one, one day, jay was like man. The last like two weeks I've been waking up at four o'clock in the morning and he's like man. I've just been sitting with Jesus and I just hear him saying these things, you know, and it was like, sure enough, when he would hear something like that, they would, it would be dead on the money, you know, and um, which is.
Speaker 3:I wonder if it just when you're obedient to that stuff, if Jesus is like, okay, give you more and give you more.
Speaker 2:If you say, yes, you do, you do what he says, then he it's louder the next time. Right, if you put it off or you say no.
Speaker 3:I know. No, surely, that's exactly. Surely I'm not going to put, give my base to the map monitor guy in the middle of the big song. Well, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:The monitor guy was like dealing with anxiety and double then because it was like he just got. Good thing he was a bass player there, but you know I mean that just doesn't make logical sense.
Speaker 3:But if Jesus says because you'd be like, surely Jesus wouldn't want me to do that?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:But I mean, it was just amazing to be obedient like that.
Speaker 1:I wish I could ask him what it sounded like. Do you know what I mean? Because I've had people say I feel like I heard God say this and I always go. What did it sound like?
Speaker 2:I want to know. To me it happens more like a thought, almost.
Speaker 1:Right, it kind of sounds like me Exactly.
Speaker 2:But then you realize, like I don't think I got to come up with that.
Speaker 3:Right, it's something you never would have thought of.
Speaker 2:Yes, and it started like this, and so this was a little bit before when I was just describing, when Jay was waking up so early in the morning hearing from Jesus. But like we were, um, we were at the bottom, we were like we were done. This is, I don't know, 2010, 2011, like that kind of time. Talk about that.
Speaker 2:We were just tired and we're like, and you're like you need to come up with another song. And there's like, no, and you know, right now to that space is the most terrible thing. And so I remember one night I was just kind of complaining about it to a friend of mine in Texas and I was like man, sometimes I feel like we should just shut down everything at the end and just pray for people and forget about all the other superficial part of this thing. And he just goes Mike, you should do it. And I was shocked because I didn't really mean it, I was really just complaining, I was really trying to sound over spiritual. I was like, oh crap, now I have like, cause he was going to stay for the show, he goes, you should do it today. Tonight I was telling him it all before the show, you know.
Speaker 2:And so then we get in the show and I was like, oh man, so it comes to that, it comes to that point, and I can see nobody else but that guy sitting over there and just he's there, he's sitting there, he's waiting for it to happen. I didn't even do it out of a right motive, and I literally was like, look, we're all tired, we're all sick of stuff. I said, man, if you need somebody to stand with you? I said, man, I'd love to pray with you. And I'm thinking I didn't think anybody's coming. People just start coming, and so we're just praying with people.
Speaker 2:The next night after it happened, it changed something in me, though Just the interaction of giving out in that way and meeting with them in the middle of it and just being honest about where I was at. I'm sick of it, I'm tired of it, I don't even want it, I don't even know. But if you're here, we're going to stand, we're just going to pray. And the next night I was in the bathroom man, does it sound like? What does it feel like? And I'm washing my hands. I finished washing my hands, I'm drying my hands, and I hear, as clear as a bell, this thought they're out there, they can't have children and they need to know. I've not forgotten about them. Clear as a bell, what did it sound like and I was like it just was like a thought, it's like an impression, it's almost a feeling.
Speaker 3:It's this thing Exactly. It's like a feeling. It's this thing.
Speaker 2:Exactly, it's like a feeling, it's like a knowing, yes, yeah, but it's like you can't escape it, because if you're wondering if you heard God, maybe you didn't, because when you do hear God, then you go, you can't escape it. Right, you know what I mean. That's the thing. So I go out there. It comes to that same time. Just say, hey, we'll pray for you. I said, and specifically tonight, maybe you can't have kids. And the Lord just says he has not forgotten about you. So there was three of them, three sets of people who came?
Speaker 2:forward for that, and every time, every night, we began to hear these things and we would just say it, and there would be three of them For months. This began to happen. So that's when Jay then starts coming in, because he starts going. At some point, each member of Big Daddy Weave is starting to be needed to come and pray for people.
Speaker 1:Pretty much your solo act.
Speaker 2:So we brought the. You lose the whole band and what it was is Joe was a solo act, because we would leave our keyboard player up there and then we would move out and just crash the show at the end, because it would just turn into this prayer time. So then the Lord started moving in power.
Speaker 2:We began to see miracles on a nightly basis, whether it's in front of your face or it's an email that would come, and it would be literally we would hear things like out of the New Testament, like every night for years. And then it was like God just began to send people to partner with us in that way. He sent a road manager who really was a pastor to us, brad Fogarty, and he had a discipleship school of these young people who were kind of in between college and career sort of times, and they're just seeking the Lord in a way like never. And man, I'm telling you to this day, there was a young man named Kyle Doan out with us. I find a trail of missing brain tumors where he had gone. I'm telling you, wow, the Lord just removed brain tumors. It was crazy and it was like we just saw it for seven years straight, you know, like the Lord just began to move.
Speaker 3:So give us some examples. Did you see stuff happen in real time, like in the moment?
Speaker 2:Some things, yes, and some things like like. I mean, they're like different people. And we had one brother, dave reese, who would pray with people in wheelchairs, and he was just like fearless and he's like well, how many, how many steps did you take before? And they're like, oh, I don't know, like eight, and he's like do you think you got 10?
Speaker 2:and you, you know, and he would just these things every night just pray for people there was a night, one night where um most of it would happen in the form of testimonies that came back after that night I watched jay. This is after his health had already started declining. That's the thing that didn't make sense. Yeah, why can't he be healed? Because that's the, and that's the thing that was. That was a different kind of miracle because, man, it was jay walking through the things that he dealt with in his health and like not getting bitter when he saw somebody else get it and he didn't do it.
Speaker 1:That's amazing. Did he ever say like God? Why?
Speaker 2:At first there there were moments like when he would begin to go there and he would. Some man there was this. One day I'll tell you this man. This is a story that I've I'm telling you. I've gotten a lot of mileage out of this story because I could not believe that I saw this so right after pandemic. First of all, we thought we were not playing ever again. Right, and then it's like when we first got to go play again Jay's in a wheelchair. He had both of his feet already.
Speaker 1:You're playing bass in a wheelchair.
Speaker 2:No, he would sit on a stool. He had prosthetics, but he could not get around on them very well. And so he would sit on a stool and he would play. At this point it was like, because it's like diabetes, on steroids or whatever, and he's bad off man. It's like his sight's going, his kidneys are going, like he's doing dialysis, like on a tour bus, you know, but you can't keep him off the road like he wants to go, minister, and when he prays for people he still sees it happen all the time fingers at the end.
Speaker 2:That's when it started to happen. So it was literally you could see. You could see it like on his face how it would hurt him to play, and that hurt him because he loved to play. Yeah, so we went. We played at this, though, and we would do like a little every day. Jay would go out and he would pray over the seat. So if he could get to his chair or he'd send one of his kids to pray over each seat we pray over every seat in the room ask Jesus to move in the life of the person who's going to sit in that seat Right and man, every day, he, so he, that time I am coming out to do like this Q and a kind of talk back time. People are coming in and this, as they're filing in, there's this dude and bro. You know the look as many crowds as y'all, as y'all have looked at. You know, like this face, this, like you know he's already got a problem with it.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean. Like I'm like, then why did you come?
Speaker 2:It's like a little bit what I'm asking you know. But it's like, then I found out. So he comes down and he's like, he's got the look on his face Like I'm going to tell you whether you want me to tell you or not. And so, sure enough, he's the first one to raise his hand and he tells about how he had been a pastor and this kid died basically on his watch, and it was like it sounded absolutely horrific. And then he followed the trail, like, like, it's easy to do.
Speaker 2:You know, how could a loving God you know, and you fill in the blank, and you fill in the blank, and it leads you far away, and so, um, and he goes. So I'm not, I'm not in ministry anymore, he goes. I don't even follow Jesus anymore. And he's like I want to know what your deal is, though.
Speaker 2:You know, and I was just like look man, I said I've seen miracles on a nightly basis. And he said and then I said and then I have my little brother, who is my best friend, who is maybe the best heart I've ever known also, and he needs a bunch of miracles. I haven't seen any of those miracles and I said I can't explain, I can't make the miracles happen and I can't give you an explanation as to why it doesn't happen. But I said, man, the closest thing we find is just turning towards him, even in what we don't understand. And he goes.
Speaker 2:My BS meter is pretty good is what he says. He goes. But I think I believe you and I'm sort of like not one was going to say I'm like, well, good talk, dude. You know like don't even know what I'm supposed to respond to that with. But anyway, we have, we have this exchange. He sits right in the front, in the middle of the whole place that night, and he, he sees when Jay comes out, cause they have to help him onto this stool Right, and man, he's like watching Jay, like a hawk, and so he sees Jay playing man, you know, we're getting through the set, the set turns vertical and so we're like closing our eyes, but I'm keeping an eye on this dude so I'm doing like the worship leader, like one eye is closed but I'm doing like this thing because I want to see what the dude is, what is happening with him.
Speaker 2:And so the first part he's still got the stank face, man. And then at one point he watches Jay just kind of even stop playing. And Jay is like just lost in it, man, he's just worshiping the Lord man, he's like not even in the same room as the rest of us, you know what I mean. And I watch it. Wreck that dude, wow. And he just like is next time I see him he is like just sobbing man, like his shoulders are just heaving and he's just crying, you know. So he finished the rest of the show. I'm like well, thank the Lord, something, something good has happened in there. I really believe that.
Speaker 2:And then we go backstage afterwards and that's when we find out that we had a gap in security because that dude is waiting in our dressing room for us to get there, dude. And we come in the room, he just starts shouting at Jay and he's just like why are you not F? You God? And just drops the F bomb in front of Jesus and all the Baptists on the other side of the wall. You know what I mean. And it's just like and the rest of us, the other three guys, other, you know, four of us in Big Daddy. We'd like literally take a step back up against the wall and let Jay through in his like electric wheelchair. You know what I mean Is he in a rascal.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like one of those little things. It's not like a, it's, it's one with like the little remote control inside. You know, yeah, Joystick, yeah, exactly, but he's like, you know, it comes, he comes through there and he turns around and the rest of us are not even like breathing. And Jay, does, I get it, he goes. I get what you're talking about. You know he goes, he goes. When I woke up this morning and he said and everything on my body hurt, he said I thought of literally hundreds of people who I've seen Jesus do miracles in right in front of my eyes. And he said, this feeling kind of happened, like what you're talking about. And he said and I was like you know, did you forget me?
Speaker 2:You know, did I make you mad somehow? You know, I don't, I don't get it. And he said, I felt like this little angry thing happened. And he said, dude, as soon as that came, he said, I literally laughed out loud. I said, dude, who am I kidding? He's God didn't do this to me, he was man. Jesus is the only way I'm even making it through this day, the only way you know.
Speaker 2:And, dude, the guy just breaks and he literally, like I mean you talk about falling on your knee. He fell on his knees, like I'm not kidding, like in front of him and is just sobbing. He just sobbing, like so hard. And Jay shifts that little wheelchair. That's the only noise, because none of us are just like holding our breath against the wall when the dude dropped the F-bomb in our face right, and he's not supposed to be in the room and all that. Jay just runs over to him in his chair, basically, and puts his messed up hands that are starting to fall apart on the dude's head and go, jesus, show him that he's not a victim. Jesus, show him that he's your child, show him that he's yours, show him he's a son. And dude. The guy is just sobbing and he squeaks out through his sobbing, he just goes. I wish Jesus would heal you and J-Dog goes, me too, bro, and it was like the guy was changed. You know what I mean. It was like he left different.
Speaker 2:And it was man. I have told that story different, you know. And it was man. I have told that story so many times now and what I love the most is we played at this fair one night when I first started seeing it happen. It has happened consistently ever since I told that story.
Speaker 1:Um, yeah, we played this. Yeah, tell it on stage.
Speaker 2:And I did for a while. I think I've, I've, I told it so much. You're kind of like, how many people have heard it? How many people am I wearing out with this story now? But literally I would see people come in and people and you know you're making connections with people just by locking eyes with them.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 2:And there's some people who are like, yeah, I'm glad to be here, or, yeah, look at me, or whatever. But then there's somebody else who like instantly looks away when you even glance in their direction. And those people who will not look me in the eye, I'm telling you, when we get to the part of the story where Jay says, man, I can't even make it through this day. I'm telling you, almost every one of those people look me directly in the face and I'm like I don't even know exactly what God's doing, but it's almost like he's taking away their reason to not believe. And, man, that is a costly story, because I wish that that story would end with that God did heal JE.
Speaker 3:Hill.
Speaker 2:That would be so triumphant right. And then we could put it on Hallmark or something or whatever you know, and Delores could be in it or whatever, and you could have it touched by an angel or something.
Speaker 3:But it's like that's not how it always happens, you know, yeah, and it's but I'm telling you, walking that out to the very end of his life man, I'm telling you we just saw it's so interesting, because you're like Jesus, you were using this guy so much. He was such a I mean so many different ways. He was helping people and you're like, why? Why? Yeah, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I'm sure you've asked those questions.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry I'm making it no 100%, and I don't ever get an answer when I ask why?
Speaker 3:to tell you the truth, Right? No, because we're not going to ever know.
Speaker 2:You know what. But what I do find I get pretty quick answers to is like well, jesus, what are you doing right now?
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 2:And man, the times when you thought he's not there he is there and I'm not talking about this in a novel, like footprints in the sand kind of let's put this on a greeting card kind of way, or whatever, but it's, he is there, you know.
Speaker 1:he's there in the midst of it, you know I wonder you know I hadn't thought about this still right now, but that if we would be okay, like with just learning to say I don't know, yeah, like you know what you told the guy when he could. That was probably the thing that made him go okay, my b, my BS meters, you were just like I don't know.
Speaker 3:Yeah, if you'd had a perfect little question answer.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean just, you know and I've been that guy we don't want to go to life. I don't know.
Speaker 2:I've been that guy at other times though. Oh, me too oh we have, yeah, and, honestly to tell, have since repented of being that guy. Me too, you know.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I think when we're young and it all fits in a nice little box.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 3:It's like, oh well, this is for sure the answer. And then you go through some things and you're like, oh well, it's not so simple.
Speaker 1:Well, I think we were told or taught or brought up that we value the answers Like we value knowing, and part of the thing is like Americans are good at formulas. I mean we did a good job setting this place up, but there's some stuff that we just can't know. I mean that might be the miracle. Is people like us learning to go?
Speaker 2:I don't know and being okay with I don't know. Yeah, I don't know, and you, you know that's, that's that's faith at the same time, because faith is like not seeing, but knowing right, and so it's like it's, it's you may not know what, but we know who well, and that is.
Speaker 2:That is the thing for me, that I'm just man my life verse and I thought I thought that, you know, when I had this, I thought that like, well, you know, now I know this verse, verse, and now I really own this verse and I really think the Lord made it the life verse because I was going to take the rest of my time on the planet to like, really get here, trust in the Lord with all your heart. Don't know. Yeah, you know Right, don't lean on what you know. Don't lean on what you know, don't lean on your understanding.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, there's two kinds of knowing. Probably there's and I didn't think about this till just now, but there's kind of shoulders up knowing, which is like I've figured this out, yeah, yeah, yeah and then there's like shoulders down, knowing where, that when you can't figure it out, you can still know. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3:yeah, like like that's not your own understanding. No, I mean I'm I know that I know that.
Speaker 1:I know that I love my kids yeah, you know what I mean. It's like I remember when hutch was little, he asked we would tuck him in at night. And you know we would go. You know, hey, buddy, night love you, and one night. Well, you tell a story better, because he said to you what did he say? He?
Speaker 3:was like I think I love you, but I'm not. I don't. I don't know how to know that. I said, honey, you love me, he's like, but what if I don't? I don't want to say it, if I don't know for sure. I'm like, I'm your mom, you love me. I mean, he was little bitty, but he would just be like. But how do I know?
Speaker 1:I don't want to say it dude I'm like, oh my gosh yeah, he's driven by you know he's I'm like you, poor kid, just yeah you know, dude you know, yeah, you know you know and we know, and you know there's this other, like knowing, like there's just, even when you can't figure it out. Like isn't that funny.
Speaker 2:Trusting the lord with all your heart it's almost like your understanding is different than your heart it's like, yeah, your understanding is from the shoulders up, like you're talking about.
Speaker 1:Maybe I don't know. I mean, I'm just kind of working it out in real time. But hutch, how long have we been going? He's gotta go um, I promised you you'd be out of here in an hour we went over.
Speaker 2:This is what happened. I haven't seen y'all in forever, though, especially together.
Speaker 1:That's super cool so In-N-Out Burger or Whataburger, yes, yes but, when, when, where do you want to go? Which one do you want to go? Which one do you want to go to right?
Speaker 2:now. We don't have Whataburger, we have Whataburger when is it?
Speaker 1:Out on my side of the tracks where the redneck people live Up in the Juliet Mountains up there. Yeah, Mount Juliet.
Speaker 2:My favorite T-shirt from there is I climbed Mount Juliet. There's none, none Mount Juliet. What's funny is that they have a t-shirt.
Speaker 3:Yeah, mount Juliet has a t-shirt.
Speaker 2:I love it and of course you know the youth pastor had to have it at our church or whatever what's funny is you didn't move to Nashville yeah, you moved to Mount Juliet well, first I moved to Nashville, though, and that's like so we came, and then Laura was just like that was his nanny, nanny bo.
Speaker 3:It's growing, though it is, it is. It's not the same place. Well, the whole place.
Speaker 2:I mean, I just about had a panic attack in the airport the other day coming back home. I have never seen so many people at B&A in my life.
Speaker 3:The airport is crazy now too. It's so many people and it's so big. The airport has changed.
Speaker 1:We've got to do something about our baggage claim.
Speaker 1:It's the longest baggage claim in it's unbelievable they need about 20 more baggage, claims we just try, we just try to figure out how to bring it all on the plane with us, if we possibly can yeah, you know well, and we've been flying the cheap airlines, which is we have that little, that other building where we got to take a bus out to the yeah, when you go to the cheap cheap so like, in order to fly to Harris, because otherwise it's a two hour drive to an airport We've got to drive the cheap Allegiant and you got to take the little bus out to the sea concourse which doesn't even.
Speaker 1:Yeah, whatever that is, have you, have you not?
Speaker 2:gone out there. You've not taken the shuttle bus yet, not on Allegiant. Well, you're business class, all the way, no, no, no, we're like, we're like Southwest.
Speaker 3:Man, Southwest is the best.
Speaker 2:I know you can easily quick Dude. They're changing things.
Speaker 3:I know I'm like oh, Now you've got to get your seat. Because they're the only place you can get two free checked bags.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:It's the only place.
Speaker 2:Absolutely.
Speaker 3:It's the best airline.
Speaker 2:The days are numbered.
Speaker 3:Yes, they are. They're going to change it all up.
Speaker 1:Oh, bummer, hey, it's a baby sighting.
Speaker 3:I heard a noise.
Speaker 1:My daughter's up. We have a daughter also.
Speaker 3:She's 16.
Speaker 1:That's awesome, and she's waking up.
Speaker 3:No, she's been awake for a long time.
Speaker 1:Yes, you probably won't be seeing her, though.
Speaker 2:She only comes out at night. It's all good, dude, she's a vampire, she's a blurry creature. That's it. Yes, are you?
Speaker 1:blurry. Oh yeah, dude, oh you are yeah. But I let's end the podcast.
Speaker 2:Dude, you don't even want to start that. You don't even want to start that. Hey, I actually heard.
Speaker 3:I actually listened to one of their episodes and I think that you were there. She was talking about you being there, so anyway.
Speaker 2:That's wild, yeah.
Speaker 3:I just remembered that.
Speaker 2:I'm a blurry creature, actually my own self. People think it's been Bigfoot all this time. It's just a big daddy, you're just furry, super hairy, big daddy. I'm like the hairless version of it, or whatever. You're the hairless bigfoot. Yeah, that's it. Oh, like a skin cat, yeah man, thanks for coming.
Speaker 1:Hey, man, I loved this. I loved this so much. Glad you came and, um, I can't wait to we. You know we need to make it more frequent.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, yeah, let's do it, yeah we do, man, and I'm telling you, bro and thank you, we'll come up to the mountain juliet thank you guys for being voices in my life, man and man, at a super, like, important moment too. You know, we're just figuring things out and we're just, you know, and here it is, like 25 years later from when, big daddy, we've started, and it's still going and a lot and still go. A lot of that has to do with the investment that you guys made into us.
Speaker 1:I appreciate you saying that it's a lot.
Speaker 3:Thank you well, that's kind of you to say and include me in that, because I I barely even talked to you on that tour, because I was with him the whole time she's breastfeeding.
Speaker 1:I was nursing the entire time. It's all good there's a lot of poor the boob tour.
Speaker 2:Okay, baby's gotta eat that's baby's gotta.
Speaker 3:That's gross. Now that he's 21, that's a weird.
Speaker 1:Let's don't yeah, yeah, did candace, was she a?
Speaker 2:okay, breastfeeder this weird she. You know she did yeah, and then at some point it was like a switch to formula kind of thing it was okay.
Speaker 3:Well, that didn't work.
Speaker 1:He was deathly allergic to formula dang yeah the reason I asked that is because I you know, I've after know, after Jennifer had to breastfeed her kids, I was like oh, Okay, let's end the tour. These are utility. This is what these are just.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 1:Let's end the tour.
Speaker 2:It's so nice, let's just end it in the chorus Dig a dum, dig a dum, dum, dum dum.
Speaker 3:Let's just end it with that.