The Gospel According to Jeromy
Welcome to "The Gospel According to Jeromy" podcast, where faith, humor, and heartfelt stories collide in a lively conversation about life, love, and everything in between. Join your host Jeromy Deibler, along with co-hosts Jennifer Deibler and Drew Powell, as they share the Dieblers journey from being the acclaimed Christian band FFH to their current path in spiritual direction.
In this engaging and candid podcast, Jeromy, Jennifer, and Drew offer a unique blend of perspectives on spirituality, mental health, emotional well-being, and personal growth. Drawing from their extensive experiences on the road and life's ups and downs, they explore the joys and challenges of faith, all while sprinkling in some humor along the way.
Get ready for spirited debates, deep dives into controversial thoughts, and heartwarming memories as they invite you into their world of faith, questions, and spiritual exploration. Whether you're a longtime believer, a spiritual seeker, or simply someone looking for meaningful conversations, "The Gospel According to Jeromy" podcast has something for everyone.
Tune in to join the conversation, laugh, learn, and be inspired as Jeromy, Jennifer, and Drew navigate the twists and turns of life's spiritual journey. It's a podcast that's as diverse as their experiences and as authentic as their hearts. Subscribe today and embark on a captivating exploration of faith, laughter, and the adventure of the human spirit.
The Gospel According to Jeromy
According to Jennifer
What if the quirkiest thoughts we harbor were broadcast for all to hear? Buckle up for a whirlwind ride through the chaos and hilarity that unfold in "Ramblings in My Brain." With me, Jennifer, stepping into the hosting spotlight alongside the irreplaceable Jeremy Deibler and our guest, the delightful Drew Powell (a.k.a. Big Bird), we share the kind of candid and laugh-out-loud moments that rarely make it beyond our inner circles. Our conversation leaps from tour tales, like unexpected breastfeeding challenges on stage, to the societal quirks surrounding bras, with a cheeky nod to historical musings in the Garden of Eden. Toss in some listener comments that keep us on our toes, and you've got a recipe for a truly memorable episode.
As we shift gears, the mood softens while we navigate the emotional terrain of "Family Viewings and Misunderstandings." Here, personal stories of loss and the complexity of goodbyes take center stage. We explore the myriad reactions at family viewings, the significance of final moments, and even touch on lighter topics like the misconceptions around 'rubbernecking' in traffic. Through our reflections on family members like Dad and Maumau, we offer a heartfelt exploration of grief's unique journey, all the while maintaining a balance of poignancy and levity that mirrors life's own rhythm.
But the episode doesn't stop there—join us as we unravel the profound connections linking our bodies and emotions. From the importance of physical health as a foundation for overall well-being to the nuanced discussion of often-taboo topics like masturbation, we cover it all with humor and humility. Biblical tales, like Elijah's need for sanctuary and sustenance, serve as touchstones in our conversation about maintaining balance. We also discuss the tricky business of managing anxiety and the transformative power of nature and creativity on our mental health. Whether it's finding meaning in spiritual discipline or wrestling with election morality, our discussion is a tapestry of insights designed to leave you pondering and perhaps even laughing out loud.
Hey, welcome to the Gospel. According to Jeremy, but it's according to me. Today I'm going to change the name. Today it's going to be the Ramblings in my Brain. According to Jennifer.
Speaker 3:Okay, things that live rent-free.
Speaker 1:Things that live, oh my gosh, all the time.
Speaker 3:You notice how nobody interrupted her when she did that.
Speaker 1:Well, not yet, because I haven't gotten to the introductions yet. Today I'm joined by the original host, jeremy Deibler, and Big Bird.
Speaker 4:Drew Powell yes, big Bird, it's going to stick.
Speaker 1:It's going to stick. It's happening. Good to be here, Jennifer. Thanks. Okay. Well, you gave me comments, but I haven't even looked at them yet. Yeah, Should we read them? Sure.
Speaker 3:Go ahead.
Speaker 1:All right, I'm going to hand them out.
Speaker 4:All right, how do you feel about this hosting thing so far?
Speaker 1:I'm terrified. The intro's been strong.
Speaker 3:I'm terrified. Why are we handing out the comments?
Speaker 1:Well, I don't know, do you want me? Okay, the ramblings in my brain, the ramblings in our brain, okay, so did you have an order to these? No, Go ahead. All right, so mine is from John Peterson. Really enjoy and listen to the podcast. Seen you guys a couple of times in Sioux Falls, south Dakota. Did you hear? I did it. Dakota. South Dakota. And in. Edgerton Minnesota.
Speaker 1:You gotcha and I like hearing stories of what you guys did while on tour and the different things that happened on stage. That us fans do not see Is Sioux Falls. Is that where we brought Hutch out when he was six weeks?
Speaker 4:old. Yeah it is. Is that going to be a tour stop for us?
Speaker 1:That was a funny story behind that day.
Speaker 3:Was it.
Speaker 1:Well, not really. I mean, it's pretty personal. Should we share it Should? I share it. I don't even know if you know it.
Speaker 3:I don't remember it.
Speaker 1:It's a breastfeeding thing.
Speaker 3:Okay, yeah, you should.
Speaker 1:Hutch was six weeks old.
Speaker 3:Five.
Speaker 1:Five weeks old.
Speaker 3:The next week he was six weeks old and we left.
Speaker 1:He went out on stage and held him up like Lion King, like Mufasa yeah.
Speaker 3:Which I did, but I didn't throw him off the rock, no, you didn't.
Speaker 1:Well, they didn't do that when he was a baby.
Speaker 3:They do it on the vines oh right. He tosses them.
Speaker 1:No, but I was, so I was struggling. I was struggling so badly I nothing fit because I had big, huge milk situation going on. And I did that whole show without a bra, yes, I couldn't nothing fit like pinging it. It was struggle, it was listen, it wasn't pretty but it was nothing attractive about. I just couldn't handle it. I was so painful it was warm, though. Huh, it was warm, oh yeah, it wasn't a cold show it, it was horrible. I remember I was wearing some flowery situation and anyway it was awful.
Speaker 3:That when you see a woman like even if they have a bra on and they've gotten chilly or something and they're like cutting glass, it looks so uncomfortable.
Speaker 4:I will say bras in general, like I don't think I can, I don't think I could do it.
Speaker 1:The manzia.
Speaker 4:That seems like just torture.
Speaker 3:I couldn't do without. There's no way I would want flopping around.
Speaker 1:It sounds like you wear one.
Speaker 4:I guess you're right.
Speaker 1:The whole thing is awful, the whole thing is just awful.
Speaker 3:It is awful because boobs. Why should they even be covered up?
Speaker 1:really're done nursing. Let's just be done with them bras take them off boobs. Oh, come on, we're not doing that well, just take them off take them off, they're no fun I'm um, I'm not well listen, because you don't have to deal with it Now. I can't imagine being a dude and having the junk hanging around down there.
Speaker 3:That would be horrible, hey, so we should maybe do a boobs episode, because the history of how boobs got covered up needs to be exposed. No pun intended, I don't know.
Speaker 4:In the garden. Is that what happened?
Speaker 3:No, I mean I think it was after the garden, but go ahead.
Speaker 1:Okay, meredith, wait a minute, hang on.
Speaker 3:Time out. What. If it was in the garden, that would be so weird, because that would have been God made like fig leaves for the downstairs and then Eve had to wear this, Like it would have been like no wait, why do I have to cover these up? I don't think she did.
Speaker 4:She didn't.
Speaker 1:Well, think of Africa. They don't cover them. I bet God didn't cover them up. They're utilitarian.
Speaker 3:They really are.
Speaker 1:Okay, Meredith, something. It's a long situation. Oh my goodness. You said some people listen to this while cleaning their house, and that's exactly what I'm doing vacuuming with T-Gat, T-Gat. What is that? Oh, the gospel according to Jesus. Oh my gosh Golly. She's way too technical for me. But never naked.
Speaker 3:Naked.
Speaker 1:Naked Naked as a jaybird.
Speaker 3:You say naked, like somebody from the South, like my dad Naked, naked. Naked is a J-bird.
Speaker 1:You say naked like somebody from the South, like my dad.
Speaker 3:Naked. Naked Do you say Tuesday or Tuesday?
Speaker 1:I don't say Tuesday.
Speaker 4:I've got a friend that that's the only day he says Tuesday. It's Wednesday, thursday, friday, tuesday and then there's Tuesday.
Speaker 1:You need a toothpick sticking out of your mouth if you're going to say Tuesday. All right, brian from Texas.
Speaker 3:This episode was like Seinfeld Pretty much about nothing, but I loved it. Save Big Bird Hashtag save Big Bird, save Big Bird.
Speaker 1:Is there a chance we're not saving that Big Bird's leaving?
Speaker 3:No, you haven't threatened to quit For quite a bit.
Speaker 1:Good, good boy. Ham's a good boy Look.
Speaker 3:If you keep, you keep Jamie and eggs and I think we're alright.
Speaker 4:I forgot my egg cartons today, that's all right.
Speaker 1:I have more. Okay, sally Hilla, am I going too fast? Nope, all right. I know you've heard this before, but you are aging well and look so much like your dad.
Speaker 3:That was to me. I'm assuming she's talking to you.
Speaker 1:I know, Sally. You don't know my dad.
Speaker 3:I had to put that on there because no one ever comments about how I look. Ever, they comment about how she looks and how you can't leave.
Speaker 1:But how does that make you feel? But no one ever is like.
Speaker 3:Jeremy, you do a really good podcast. I love the content.
Speaker 1:But do you want to I work longer on your camera shot Maybe do some touch-ups. Do you want to look like your dad, though? Do you like that comment?
Speaker 3:Well, how do I answer that? Well, I mean, I'm just saying Well, I don't want to look like my dad when he died.
Speaker 1:Well, no At 68.
Speaker 3:But dad was handsome.
Speaker 1:That reminds me. Can I tell the story of your dad being dead in the casket?
Speaker 3:If you want.
Speaker 1:It's so bad, so well. I, his stepmom, was so sweet, he was getting cremated but she, uh she, she had him saved in the casket for him to be able to see him, because he died and he wasn't in there a couple days later she ran out to the ambulance actually because dad was.
Speaker 3:Dad had been gone for a while before the ambulance got to his house. And I can't remember why but I suppose it was his wishes that he be cremated Did you want to see him?
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, I did so.
Speaker 3:she ran up to the ambulance and said make sure you embalm him, and they were like, well, we wouldn't need to do that and she's like I don't care, I'll pay for it. Jeremy needs to see him.
Speaker 1:Wasn't that sweet, that's really cool. So I wasn't going to get to see him. So he went in there. He was seeing his dad.
Speaker 4:He took a selfie he took a selfie.
Speaker 1:Okay so. He has a selfie with his dad laying there.
Speaker 3:That's wild. So dad also didn't have like a viewing. Do you guys do viewings?
Speaker 1:Nobody does it anymore.
Speaker 4:I remember those though.
Speaker 1:Yeah you go see the body.
Speaker 3:But most of his family had gotten to come to where he died.
Speaker 1:Everybody lived kind of close and so when dad died everyone came to the house. So everybody kind of got to, Everybody kind of saw him when he was like just yeah, kind of on the floor, just like yeah.
Speaker 3:and so they planned a special viewing for me at the um. I guess would have been the funeral home, but they didn't have the funeral there. Anyways, I asked my brother and sister, so you guys want to go with me? And it was actually actually a really sweet moment. My stepmom, um, we, we invited her, we said do you want to come to? And she said actually, you know, I've, I'm good, I've seen him say goodbye. So, uh, my brother and sister and I uh were sitting on the front row and they get, and then they just kind of gave me some time alone and I was like, well, she wants, she's like.
Speaker 1:I really, jennifer was like, cause they knew each other, jennifer and dad were friends and we hadn't seen him in a long time and it was just weird Cause he died so suddenly and weirdly.
Speaker 3:He wasn't sick or anything. So I was like, what do I do? And so my first thought was, okay, I'll take a picture of him so she gets to see him. But then I thought, well, how impersonal is this to take a picture of a dead body? Yeah, I mean, I just kind of stretched my arm up in the air and got me in it with him. Were you smiling? No, I didn't smile.
Speaker 3:He's kind of going. I was kind of like it was kind of like that yep, I'm doing this face Like I didn't know what to do.
Speaker 1:It's bizarre, that's weird, but what would?
Speaker 3:you do. Uh, would you just take a picture of the person I think I just would be like you missed it would you okay? Yeah, I didn't and I didn't want to have my brother come back in and be like hey, can you grab a picture of us together? That would be weird, or let's all get around him in.
Speaker 4:In all fairness to you, I think that's one of those things you don't know what you would do unless you were there, because even after my answer I'm like I don't know though. Like yeah there and I was in that spot.
Speaker 1:Those are moments you don't you don't plan, yeah, something that you can, yeah, well, it's, nothing prepares you for that jarring at first.
Speaker 3:It was jarring at first with us just sitting there and there's his body, but the longer you sit, then you start to talk, I mean, and so we actually started to talk and we gave it a little bit, and you know what I mean. It ended up keeping it light. It was the same when mom all died, um, I what? I wasn't there when she died, but I got there pretty close and they had a viewing.
Speaker 1:They did that with Pawpaw for you too.
Speaker 3:They did.
Speaker 1:Everybody. You weren't there for anybody, not for them dying.
Speaker 3:But everybody came to these viewings Like it's what they did. And with Pawpaw's I kind of bent down and gave him a hug. I just wanted to. With Maumau's, I and mama and I were really close. I mean, we were, we were buddies. She was imagine this. My mama was 10 years younger than Jennifer is now when I was born she was 42.
Speaker 1:Gotcha.
Speaker 3:I think I have a grandson, so, yeah, so we were buddies. I spent every day with her. Yeah, yeah. Can you with her? Yeah, yeah, can you imagine having a grandkid? Yeah, you could, yeah, you could. It would be kind of like that actually.
Speaker 3:Um, I would love that so no pressure, everybody walked out and was kind of another thing like I don't think everybody did on purpose, but they kind of gave me some time alone with her and it was just jennifer and me and uh I think I took a picture of you up by her casket too. Too, now that I think about it, yeah, maybe not a selfie, but it felt weird to leave her just in there, so I closed her casket, which in the end I was like I'm glad I got to do that. It was like I wanted to the final yeah.
Speaker 4:That is cool yeah.
Speaker 3:Right before I left I was like bye mama. Oh, clunk yeah clunk.
Speaker 1:That's a that's. You didn't have to do the clunk. The clunk kind of changed the attitude. Do you want me to read these? Give them back you guys you want to.
Speaker 3:You guys are dumb, yeah give it here.
Speaker 1:okay, mark carter. Jennifer is right, mr Snuffleupagus.
Speaker 3:No, I'm not.
Speaker 4:Jennifer was right.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 4:That it's Snuffleupagus.
Speaker 1:Okay, mr Snuffleupagus with a P.
Speaker 4:Oh, he put a screenshot in there. Yeah, he screenshotted it for us, you sons of bees.
Speaker 3:Actually, she put the screenshot in.
Speaker 1:Oh, put the screenshot in. Oh, oh, thanks, jane lorenz. It's not snuffleupagus, no, you guys are dumb snuffleupagus. This brings up rubbernecking. I was at his mom and mom's house. We were talking about yes, because we were talking about traffic rubbernecking. I'm like that's rubbernecking. They were like, oh, no, it's not. Rubber necking is when the bumpers rub together because you're so close in traffic. They laughed at me. I'm like no, rubber necking is when you drive by and turn your head and look at the thing that happened in traffic. That's what's causing traffic. I just hit that that's right.
Speaker 4:Snuffy for short you are I'm talking?
Speaker 3:she's telling a story I'm telling a story.
Speaker 1:Listen, I'm in control here. You took the paper straight out of my hand.
Speaker 4:This is funny. How many people came in? This person said you owe her an apology.
Speaker 3:I know, but he would never do that to me.
Speaker 1:Back to my story.
Speaker 3:He just totally.
Speaker 1:Ditched me.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he's a.
Speaker 1:But I'm just used to being shamed and made fun of and then being proven right, yes, okay, okay, so it ended up being Christina. Demetrio says you owe me an apology. Thanks, christina, I'm waiting.
Speaker 3:I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:I'm also sorry, thank you for the public shaming. Yeah, and Berating.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Isn't it funny how that works when two people so confident about something can just Well the next comment. Oh, I thought I was saying Snuffy's name wrong all this time so I had to look it up it is Snuffleupagus. My whole childhood was almost a lie.
Speaker 3:We were so confident. We were like that's ridiculous, right. These people were like, wait a, they went and looked this up.
Speaker 4:Can. I tell you I'm not a betting person, but I would have bet a significant amount of money that. I was right about that.
Speaker 3:Me too. I was positive. Big Bird was a girl and her boyfriend was Snuffleupagus Me too.
Speaker 1:You didn't think Big Bird was a girl.
Speaker 4:Not a girl, but Snuffleupagus for sure.
Speaker 3:Let me I probably went up to 250 bucks.
Speaker 4:Wow, yeah, same I would have too. Dang yeah me too, Absolutely.
Speaker 1:How far do you think?
Speaker 3:I think more people probably looked up that than have ever looked up any Bible content that we've ever talked about.
Speaker 1:Probably we were confident, we were about it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we were like it's snuffle-luffagus duh.
Speaker 4:I made you say it over and over just so I could make fun of you.
Speaker 1:You did. It was a shaming. I wonder if Big Bird I need to wear like a scarlet S.
Speaker 3:That's what it felt like.
Speaker 1:Snuffleupagus.
Speaker 3:I wonder if Big Bird says it wrong.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 3:And that's how we pick that up.
Speaker 1:You guys are so stupid, you just say it wrong. No, and that's how we pick that up. You guys are so stupid, you just say it wrong. Why does it have to be Big Bird's fault now?
Speaker 3:And also with the rubbernecking thing.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 3:I was absolutely wrong. I want you to know that I know.
Speaker 1:I do know that I was told that by my mom. You guys berated me.
Speaker 3:But doesn't it sound like rubber making out, if rubber touches their necking.
Speaker 1:No you turn your neck man. They made fun. If you'd have heard the shaming I took. Really Okay, meredith Lee, I've been an FFH fan since 2003 or earlier. Y'all came to lead worship at my service at Bel Air. Words, bel Air, maryland. I can't help it and I've lost. I've loved you all ever since. I should have let you guys read it. I still have an autograph.
Speaker 3:Just slow down a minute. I've never heard you talk this fast.
Speaker 1:She's excited. I'm nervous about getting this thing out.
Speaker 3:You sound like the guy that does the like. It's the end of the radio. Ad reads oh okay.
Speaker 1:I've been an FFH fan since 2003 or earlier. Y'all came to lead worship service in Bel Air, maryland, and I've loved you all ever since. I still have an autographed poster from you guys. I came on here to say I love listening to your podcast and I've been binge listening for a couple of weeks. Oh no, feels like hanging out with a bunch of friends and it's one of the highlights of my week. God bless you all. Aww, meredith.
Speaker 3:I put that in there because there are some people that are just finding us and then they're saying I'm going to go back and listen to the first ones, oh, and then they go.
Speaker 1:oh, why did I do that? I?
Speaker 3:actually told a couple last week I said don't, Don't go back.
Speaker 1:Don't go back. There's some stuff on there. I know one thing I said yeah, you said a couple things. I know one thing I said that I tried to get you guys to edit out.
Speaker 3:Well, aaron, Benward said the F word.
Speaker 1:Oh.
Speaker 3:You took it out, though Did. I. I think you did.
Speaker 1:I think, you believed it.
Speaker 3:I think you ended the episode. He goes I don't give a, and then it just ends.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's true, that was good. Kelly Reed, I was a Royal Ranger. They gave me the name Gentle Dove. I'm still working through the trauma.
Speaker 3:Kelly's a guy. Oh yeah, I figured.
Speaker 1:Okay, so Well it'd have to be to be a Royal Ranger.
Speaker 3:Oh, duh, duh, duh, sorry.
Speaker 4:Kelly and I could swap stories then.
Speaker 1:What was your name?
Speaker 4:He's special. I don't think they gave out names like that.
Speaker 1:Why would you give a Royal Ranger?
Speaker 3:Wait, didn't you say your name was meatball sub.
Speaker 1:That was a joke, okay why would you give a royal ranger gentle dove? He sounds like that's like a gentle dove, that seems that's so.
Speaker 3:I mean, that's not cool. Well, like you're taking these boys out and you're trying to go. Okay, this is, you know, this is some rugged kind of yeah and the problem is can you imagine what the other boys were named? Right, I mean, you know, probably like Stick, and you know.
Speaker 1:Mudface.
Speaker 3:Crusher.
Speaker 1:Gentle Dub Like Sword Slasher.
Speaker 3:Grave Digger.
Speaker 1:Grave Digger. Yes, tim Yorty, I just finished reading your book Liver and Onions and it led me to reacquaint myself with a lot of years of FFH music that I had missed. Undone is a great song, really enjoyed it. I'm just curious about the one line in the course about nobody wants to pay the asking price. What is the asking price of Love and Honor? I've been trying to puzzle it out.
Speaker 3:Thanks, that is a really good question it probably just fit good in the song. It's a line from the song. Actually, I don't even know if it does rhyme. My friend Mia wrote that line and I remember thinking when she wrote it.
Speaker 1:Really.
Speaker 3:I remember thinking should I ask her what that means? And then I was like actually some lines are good, letting people let them.
Speaker 1:Maybe it's good to puzzle it out. Yeah, it makes it more interesting.
Speaker 3:I guess sure love and honor you get that by serving would be the whatever.
Speaker 1:But I don't know what song was that in Undone?
Speaker 3:Undone. That's our most streamed songs ever. Pictures from that time which songs, ever Pictures from that time. It mentioned my book, which is a good segue.
Speaker 1:Oh, you do this. No, no, I can't do this. I don't even want to do this, just advertise.
Speaker 4:I don't even want to do this Autumn.
Speaker 1:This is the daily autumn. These are little daily.
Speaker 3:Just say, I have it available.
Speaker 1:It's available on Amazon, on Amazon or Amazon Just, amazon Just get it on Amazon or. Amazon, just Amazon, just get it on Amazon. I mean, you could come over and get one.
Speaker 3:Shout out to this this is the Daily Autumn.
Speaker 1:You can also get it at Onyx and Alabaster in Franklin, right you can.
Speaker 3:You can get them at some and you can also subscribe to the email.
Speaker 1:But they're really nice.
Speaker 3:They're really short, yeah, and they're super thought-provoking this is your ad read for the day, and then this one and then liver and onions, which is such a great.
Speaker 1:Have you read it? Oh, you're such a loser.
Speaker 3:Such a good book, you guys you have a couple copies, I don't need to give you one such a good book.
Speaker 1:You need to get this book. It's so great. I read it in one night and it's so good.
Speaker 3:It's so well written yes, she only took one chapter out of the whole book. She only. She just said there's this one chapter I'm not comfortable with yeah, and we're not going to talk about it.
Speaker 1:Yep, so next one, go get this, next from amazon.
Speaker 3:So good, um, yeah, and I want to say real quick the there is one uh, I do sell them like you can get them on my website, but they actually come faster from amazon than they do from me.
Speaker 1:Um, I wonder why well, my shipping department I love how he points to me you're the shipping department well, I actually do the shipping, but it takes me a minute to even get the order. Well, the processing is.
Speaker 3:Sometimes the processing is more the problem than the shipping but uh, I actually know a guy from a long time ago back in pennsylvania named mel cory and he ordered one a very long time ago. I want to say months, and I think that one might have got lost because, uh, but anyways he have got lost because, but anyways he's got this afternoon he's got one coming to that, because that's not right.
Speaker 1:Sorry, sorry, the processing department, we had a computer problem. That's what I used to say is that your Applebee's line when? I used to work at Applebee's and I would. I would go take the order and then I would be like, where are these people's food? What is going on? And then I'd be like, oh crap, I forgot to put the order in. I did that so many times.
Speaker 3:Like are you talking once a shift? No, probably like once a month, okay.
Speaker 4:See, I've judged Applebee's. I won't go back there anymore because it takes so long. They're not behind in Applebee's anymore. They're going out of business. But, it's not Applebee's fault.
Speaker 1:It was people like you that put my order. They're like we don't have this order. What are you talking about? So I'd go back to the people and be like we had a computer problem.
Speaker 3:The buttons weren't pushed.
Speaker 1:We did have a computer problem. I didn't put it in the computer, but that is a lie.
Speaker 3:I'm surprised I don't mean this as an old joke, but I'm surprised you weren't writing orders down.
Speaker 1:Well, we did write it down. Then you got to go put it in the computer.
Speaker 3:But they had a computer then.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, we did we had buttons.
Speaker 4:Now, when they have the iPad, you just put them right in. I don't.
Speaker 1:I feel like when I'm at Olive Garden and I'm doing everything on an iPad, he loses the experience for me.
Speaker 3:I'm bothered by it too.
Speaker 1:I don't like it.
Speaker 3:I hate most is ordering at the counter. Well, that does, I will go to a restaurant because someone comes to my table to take the order.
Speaker 1:Panera Bread charges so much money and you have to go do everything. You have to bust your own table. You have to go take your order. You have to get your Go pick up Sorry, go pick up, your food, I mean.
Speaker 4:I just want in and out as quickly as possible. So, however, when you can make it the most efficient without human interaction, I'm down.
Speaker 1:Well, I see that.
Speaker 4:I want my food quick. I know, but I think every restaurant should serve chips and salsa, even if it's a Japanese restaurant. Just bring me chips.
Speaker 1:I want something on the table when I'm 80 to 90% happier If you just give me chips and salsa if you just give me chips and salsa, what's your Mexican restaurant?
Speaker 4:you go to here. I like Pueblo Real.
Speaker 1:Oh, do you yeah it's probably my favorite. I haven't gone to that one in, so we haven't gone to the little one. You mean the one where Chris Stapleton goes to Are you talking about the little guy over in West Main.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I've heard Chris Stapleton goes there a lot. Really, we used to Carrie Underwood's Casa Jose. We go to Casa Jose and if you go to Casa Jose.
Speaker 1:Which one's Casa Jose? It's over by Target on Columbia. If you go there, listen. If you come to Franklin and you go to Casa Jose on Sunday after church, Carrie Underwood is there, if she's not on the road.
Speaker 4:Really, because that's where the Rolling Hills is.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she goes to Rolling.
Speaker 3:Hills, the Mercantile too. I've been surprised At the bakery. Very few people are coming in. The two most famous people at Meredith's right now are Dan Asseltine and me, and that's not saying much. Well, Dan's pretty famous Dan is famous, but the Mercantile down the street you can see.
Speaker 1:Oh, is that where people go?
Speaker 3:Some, didn't you slam Faith Hill's face in the door there?
Speaker 1:Yeah, but that was a long time ago. Okay, that will happen. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't mean to. I was just going out, the door slams and then I look I didn't you know, you get that feeling of somebody behind. Oh, shoot, somebody's behind me. And anyway, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 4:Did you say I'm sorry?
Speaker 1:Faith Hill. I didn't say Faith Hill, I should have. That would have been funny.
Speaker 3:All right, let's get into the regions of Jennifer's mind.
Speaker 1:Okay, so we have so many different ways we can go today. Hold on?
Speaker 4:Are you taking spiritual direction clients right now? Yeah, do you have any openings? I do have two openings, two openings yeah, I might need to slide into one of those.
Speaker 3:No way I will do yours, for absolutely nothing. Let's do it. I need to tune up. Let's do it. Go ahead, proceed. Thank you for bringing that up, though.
Speaker 1:You're welcome. Yes, he has openings, all right, so I have.
Speaker 4:Is all this for this oh?
Speaker 1:listen, I've got pages.
Speaker 4:Oh boy, you need to be out by 11.
Speaker 1:Pages Okay, but my question is what do we want to go in Like? I've got holistic health we can talk about. Okay, I've got election stuff we can talk about.
Speaker 4:Okay, I just saw RK Jr, as you were flipping through Anyone else.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's kind of it.
Speaker 4:That's our choices. Wow.
Speaker 2:I just wrote a lot of notes about those two things.
Speaker 1:Is there a C?
Speaker 4:Is there a D?
Speaker 1:Nope, there is no other option.
Speaker 4:Review holistic health.
Speaker 1:Holistic health is talking about the three pillars of holistic health. Okay, Would be body, mind and spirit.
Speaker 3:Okay, let's do it.
Speaker 1:Oh, is that what you don't want to go? Election we can go election.
Speaker 3:I wonder why. No, we do whatever you want.
Speaker 1:Okay, so body, mind and spirit. So body is our physical right, and emotional and spiritual. Is there one that you think is more important, or do you think that is more you know, or are they all equal?
Speaker 4:That's a great question.
Speaker 1:It's a question I ponder a lot actually.
Speaker 3:Do you really?
Speaker 1:I do. I think about this a lot.
Speaker 3:So if you're splitting them up into the physical, the spiritual and the emotional, I don't know. I mean, I think the typical church answer is well spiritual because it goes on forever, but I don't know if I believe that. Well, spiritual because it goes on forever, but I don't know if I believe that.
Speaker 1:Well, you do believe spiritual goes on forever.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think a lot goes on forever. I don't know what.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know you know maybe I mean our body is important.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and it's a very Greek kind of. You know, the Greek people who gave us all of this thought which we owe so much thought to, people who gave us all of this thought which we owe so much thought to, they did. They did, though, believe that everything spiritual is good and everything physical is bad, so it didn't really matter what you did with your body interesting because it was just, it was just bad anyways and I think we have some of that yeah I think they're pretty integrated I wonder, I wonder if they are like a braid or like the trinity.
Speaker 1:Oh, a braid, you know. Like a braid, like yeah, they're pretty integrated. I wonder, I wonder if they are like a braid or like the Trinity.
Speaker 3:Ooh a braid.
Speaker 1:You know, like a braid yeah. They're all separate, but they all come together and feed off each other. Yeah, I just thought of that. So smart yeah.
Speaker 4:I think this is new for me, but I think the physical, actually I think they're all, in my opinion, all equally important, but I think they're all in my opinion, all equally important. But I think a lot of times for me it starts physical, Like that's the jumping off point, Cause when my body is not right, like last week, I didn't feel well and I was. The longer I didn't feel well, the more my mental and emotional and spiritual state was tanking.
Speaker 1:Well, that is true, because you can't be. You can't be creative if your body doesn't feel good or right. Yeah, but you also. I mean we can go through horrible physical stuff cancer or whatever and it brings us close, it makes our spiritual. It's kind of like whenever one of our senses goes off, you know we go blind, you can hear about better or whatever.
Speaker 4:So I wonder if it makes one heightened like, kind of like. Well, my mind went to when elijah was struggling with depression yeah the first thing, like god told him to do, was go, take a nap and have a good meal yeah like, even god, like instead of like in the church, like well, you pray or you dig into the spiritual. But even god was like hey, we'll get to that later you gotta take care of your body. Right now you need a nap and a steak, yeah.
Speaker 1:That is true, that is such good advice.
Speaker 3:I think, too, the body is the thing that we are always punishing Like, especially with, like you know, sexual stuff, where, like a body's bad and lust is bad and you can't, don't ever touch yourself because it's scandalous. So then you're just is that what you're hoping to?
Speaker 1:talk about.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I was really hoping to go there you were, so I saw masturbation on your list yes, it was the top of my list.
Speaker 1:Actually, that's gonna be the title this week masturbation with jennifer divler oh my gosh what'd you say?
Speaker 4:I'm just joking, it was written underneath.
Speaker 1:Yes, it was all my notes. Oh my God, what did you? Say oh written under here.
Speaker 3:No, it was written underneath RFK Jr.
Speaker 1:Oh yes, Did you see RFK Jr? It's part of my election stuff.
Speaker 3:How about? So? The other thing is, I think if you're emotionally in whatever, sometimes you can't get your body to work right yeah? Think about intimacy. I mean if you're in a bad mood.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like it's, like your body's not going to work.
Speaker 3:No, that's what's crazy about that it's so interesting.
Speaker 1:It is like it's like the three-legged stool thing, that you know what I mean.
Speaker 4:Yeah, have you guys studied? Guys studied the chakras very much. A little bit Just made me think of that because it's like you can have different chakras blocked in your body. I'm not an expert by any stretch. People get really mad about that stuff. Yeah, why?
Speaker 1:I don't know, I don't know, because to me it's just energy flow and I don't really have a problem with it.
Speaker 4:I think just people are so scared of new age anything and they feel like it's new agey. I don't know much about it, but I've had some people who've really studied it in, actually therapists. I've brought it up into sessions about that being true for me and different different ones mean different things and when I scan you, when I scan you.
Speaker 3:I can smoke her.
Speaker 1:Yeah, sorry I was going from my. When I scan, scan you, I can scan your chakras. Okay, let's do it?
Speaker 3:um, um, it would be interesting to do like an enneagram thing and see which numbers align with, like chakras oh wait, I don't know if that's the same I don't know much about chakras yeah, all I think about is shak yeah it's hard to
Speaker 3:not. Hey, wait, wait. There was something I wanted to add to that I think it could be helpful. So when a person experiences trauma, not necessarily abuse is what happens to you, trauma is what happens in you. So the trauma, whether it's severe or not severe, it doesn't matter. The trauma has to be processed, usually physically or verbally, and if and if not, it gets stored in your limbic system and then eventually spreads out over the body.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 3:And they don't know where it goes, but somewhere on the cellular level. A lot of times it goes to the gut, but that trauma will eventually make its way throughout your whole system, so your emotions could make you sick.
Speaker 1:It's super interesting. I just started learning about this the vagus nerve. Yes, the vagus nerve.
Speaker 4:There's a treatment center that. I went to and their client. They've introduced polyvagal as a modality or theory that they're looking at. Yeah, which is all about your nervous system and your vagus nerve and fight, or?
Speaker 1:flight. The gut brain connection is so yeah important. And also you can do vagal tone exercises because your vagus, vagus nerve can get weak and can cause all kinds of issues too look at us.
Speaker 1:So smart Cancer cells. I just wrote this down today because I think it's so interesting. It goes along with what you said. They're the most isolated and damaged and fragile cells. Their mechanism of repair is destroyed. They can't produce adequate Cancer cells, cancer cells. They cannot produce adequate fuel and they have lost their identity and natural function. That's what happens when a cell loses its identity and its natural function it becomes a cancer cell.
Speaker 3:Oh, so it used to be a healthy cell.
Speaker 1:It used to be a healthy cell. It gets isolated, loses its identity and becomes a cancer cell.
Speaker 4:Oh my gosh, that's how people use that in spiritual direction.
Speaker 1:I do, isn't that amazing? So a cancer cell was once a good guy was once a just a normal cell, but it's way so so we got little 9-11s going on in there, 9-11 like we got good people that have gone bad in our bodies.
Speaker 3:Just call that a 9-11 well, I mean, if we believe, that's an odd thing, it's a lucifer, people aren't born a terrorist, they, they get, they get right. So these cells get radicalized because they're alone, they don't get, if we believe that's an odd thing to say. People aren't born a terrorist, they get. So these cells get radicalized because they're alone.
Speaker 1:They don't get radicalized, they actually get alone and abandoned. Yeah, I mean they get scared and start just freaking out. So I don't think they become, do they find?
Speaker 3:buddies then.
Speaker 1:I think they then start replicating.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 1:Somehow, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3:They didn't write that part down. It metastasized, Isn't that interesting? Yeah, man, this is good content. Jennifer Lois Listen.
Speaker 1:I'm telling you so is there a leg of the stool that is harder for you guys, Physical, spiritual and emotional?
Speaker 3:Harder to do what.
Speaker 1:Harder to maintain To Physical, spiritual and emotional. Harder to do what? Harder to maintain? Yeah, I mean, if they're all important, which ones are the easier ones and the harder ones? I mean they're all equal importance. Let's say Physical for me, Physical.
Speaker 3:Harder to maintain. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean, I think, physical for me. I go through periods of where it's easy, Like right now I walk.
Speaker 4:You're locked in.
Speaker 1:I walk a lot and it's easy, and for me it's also black and white, Like I can go. Okay, I'm going to do this. You know, Whereas I spiritual and emotional I'm like a couch potato, you know, I just can't get myself to do it.
Speaker 3:It would be easier for me to answer that question if you would say is one of them easier or harder to show up to?
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 3:Because I have pretty good access to my emotions.
Speaker 1:You're in that a lot.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I really enjoy the spiritual. I think my body well like sometimes I'll be really mad at night or really sad and she'll go. Babe, you're actually just really tired. You know what I mean? I'm tired of that, yeah. Yeah, or like.
Speaker 1:He gets really emotional when he's tired.
Speaker 3:Or like sometimes I'll be really hungry but not know that I'm like I don't get like. And so, like, last night we got home and we're out of dog food, so she made winnie some scrambled eggs and she said do you want scrambled eggs? I was like you know what I do well, you haven't eaten much. Your stomach has, I've had a little stomach virus, but um he's not throwing up, no worries yeah, just stomach, just stomach pain well, I had such a.
Speaker 3:I told you last week when I came to your house I can't get rid of the stomach thing and now it's like eating just sounds horrible. But she was like you need to eat and so I ate. I was like man, I feel so much better after having some eggs, you just need some protein.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:So maybe I'll have trouble showing up to my body and what it needs. Phase two my face.
Speaker 1:Phase two, oh your. Phase two my face. Phase two, oh your face too.
Speaker 4:Tell your face. Your face is struggling.
Speaker 1:Phase two no your phase two, your struggle with phase two.
Speaker 3:Right Right now. I wanted to lose 50 pounds before I turned 50. And you did, did it. And she was like, but you do need to work out. And I said, well, that's phase two. That starts in the fall.
Speaker 1:What's funny is you started losing weight in February and you kept going. Phase two's coming, phase two I'm getting ready to start phase two.
Speaker 4:Phase two is going to the gym.
Speaker 1:Just exercising.
Speaker 3:Probably walk and exercise Walking. Yeah, it's good, she is diligent about her walking.
Speaker 1:I feel it If I don't walk by the end of the day, I'm like how long do you walk for?
Speaker 4:About five miles, how long does that take you?
Speaker 1:Depends. Yesterday. It took me about an hour and 15.
Speaker 2:I don't know if I've taught that's great. That's my problem.
Speaker 4:I have to make time for it. And yeah, I have to make time for it.
Speaker 1:My brain. I think this is because of the spiritual and emotional. I don't know what is disassociating.
Speaker 3:Disassociating is more disassociating from an experience.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 3:Like you can compartmentalize something and then kind of go back to it, but disassociating is like. It's like what you did when we talked about intimacy. Yeah, isn't it? Isn't your understanding of it. It is like the highest form of avoidance You're just going. It's almost like denial, I feel like my life, my day.
Speaker 1:I'm just like get up, make bread, walk, do laundry, da-da, and I live in this checklist and I think it's probably to keep me from dealing with emotions.
Speaker 3:Well, yeah, you're avoidant.
Speaker 1:I am right. What does that mean? About what is the avoidant? I've heard you say that, but what is that?
Speaker 3:You can avoidance. Actually, it can be a gift Like you don't want to be in it all the time. Yeah, you don't want the EMT that shows up for your car accident. You want them to be avoidant. They've got to enter into it. The problem is, you know, if they watch somebody die like I? You know I did this with Omar Omar, one of my.
Speaker 1:You just talked about this last week.
Speaker 3:Yeah, my ER docs Like he. You know, if he loses somebody he can't end the moment, but then he does need to process later Like, oh my God, I lost a patient on the table today. So avoidant, you know, eventually you got to enter into it. Disassociating is almost like.
Speaker 1:That's a disorder, right?
Speaker 3:I'm just not. This is just not even happening.
Speaker 1:Well, people are using it a lot now in memes and stuff, like showing somebody you know how you kind of check out when you're driving, or something that sounds terrible. But you know if you're on a highway, yeah, yeah, and you'd be going about 30 at that point. And you'd be going about 30 at that point.
Speaker 3:People would be passing me on the right side If you're on the highway with your four ways on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I mean, people say that's disassociating. But I don't think it is. I think you're just kind of, I'm just checking out of it. You're just kind of.
Speaker 3:Disassociating.
Speaker 1:That's not disassociating.
Speaker 3:Disassociation is an emotional protective measure for when something is happening to you and there's just no way for you to enter, like if you're being raped at the moment. Yeah. In the moment of being raped you would go, you would just take yourself to another place because, you can't handle it, your body just kind of shuts off, and at the worst, at the worst, you would go into shock, right, so shock would be, but disassociation can actually be protective. The problem is it's really hard to access those experiences afterwards.
Speaker 4:Right Well, and it comes out sideways too, if you don't deal with them eventually. I mean, I have friends that have disassociated for 30 years from a traumatic event, oh my, but they become addicts or whatever.
Speaker 3:Right, then they have to go back into whatever right dealing with, then they have to go back into it and deal with it yeah, that's where emdr I'm sure a lot of our listeners have have either done it or heard of it this eye movement displacement thing where it kind of helps your hemispheres that's so wild and that connects the spiritual and the physical, if you think about it, or the emotional and the physical kind of yeah, maybe so.
Speaker 1:It helps you to process Process.
Speaker 3:Process.
Speaker 1:That's a bit of processing. Okay, let me give you some interesting things about your physical health, okay.
Speaker 3:Interesting factoids.
Speaker 1:Yes, thigh circumference is associated with a lower risk of premature death and heart disease. I'm going to live forever. No it's not about having little thighs. It's about having not fat thighs but the amount of muscle you have on your thighs.
Speaker 3:Oh dear.
Speaker 1:Has to do. I mean, that's something that they correlate with lower risk of heart disease. Really, isn't that wild.
Speaker 3:Oh my gosh, Then I'm in trouble, you're in trouble, you need to face to.
Speaker 4:What about butt? Yeah, go there. What's?
Speaker 1:the deuce. I don't know about butt, it's just thighs.
Speaker 4:All I got is thighs.
Speaker 3:You have a little butt right, zero, butt, I'm going to have to start taking a pillow, you are just a skeleton in the butt. My butt is horrible. Have you seen the?
Speaker 1:picture of Yoko Ono. And what's his face? John Lennon, what's his face? Oh my gosh, have you seen this picture? I?
Speaker 4:don't know which one you're referring to.
Speaker 1:It's a picture of them naked and it's just their butt cracks and their whole body, but they're turned around, so you know it's them. Her butt crack is literally this big and his is like this big. His is super long he has a super long butt His butt starts like middle of his back but hers is like, that's mine my butt crack is out all the time. Hers is beansy beansy. He has a Yoko Ono butt you have a little butt. You have a little Yoko Ono.
Speaker 4:I've got a little tiny butt with a long crack and it's all the time, so you just have no fat on your cheeks.
Speaker 1:Nothing Skinny cheeks, cracking acorn. Okay, listen to this one Grip strength so think about that Can be a powerful indicator of the longevity and your longevity and your overall health. Grip strength starts to decline around 50. And for every 11 pound decrease in grip strength there was a 16% higher risk of death from any cause.
Speaker 3:And this poll was taken.
Speaker 1:It's not a poll.
Speaker 3:This study was done on people hanging off of the monkey bars over a cliff, but seriously like how crazy You're going to. Whoops, no but.
Speaker 1:How crazy is that, and I don't think it means you just get one of those.
Speaker 3:Remember those things from the no.
Speaker 1:remember those things that had like the spring in the. Oh yeah, I just saw that at Bargain Hunt the other day, so I don't Everyone listening right now. I don't think it has to do with just that. I wonder if it has, if it's just an indicator of your whole body strength.
Speaker 3:Yeah, maybe it's an indicator.
Speaker 1:And I think the same with thigh, Because when you think about it like the worst thing that can happen to you is you fall and break your hip when you're older?
Speaker 4:Yes, I've heard.
Speaker 1:Well, do they fall and break their hips or do they break their hips and fall? But your muscle, if your muscles are strong and your flexibility is good, you have a lot. And your balance, yes. So if you can work on those things which my balance is terrible, I have terrible balance.
Speaker 4:I just am feeling a lot of shame after this episode. I just am feeling a lot of shame after this episode. Oh no, I'm going to go to the gym after this.
Speaker 1:It's not about shame, I'll sit on the recliner.
Speaker 4:You'll sit on the massage chair. That's what he does.
Speaker 1:He's like I'm going to the gym and I'm like what are you doing there? Well, I'm going to sit in the massage chair.
Speaker 4:I got a gym membership I think nine months ago.
Speaker 1:Are you at Lifetime?
Speaker 4:No, I was before. I mean this fancy one.
Speaker 1:No, is that the fancy?
Speaker 4:one. Yeah, I love Lifetime.
Speaker 1:Man, it's so fancy.
Speaker 4:I stopped. It was too much money.
Speaker 1:It's so expensive.
Speaker 4:No, I went online and I got a gym membership at Planet Fitness here in Franklin. Yeah, scheduled it online. That's him, planet Fitness. I've been inside the doors yet. Oh.
Speaker 1:Well, he goes in. You'll see him in the massage chair.
Speaker 4:That's why I want to go. Yeah, that's great. I want to take a massage, and then maybe I'll hit a machine or two.
Speaker 1:So what is a good way to keep our emotional health healthy? What do you think Like counseling, quiet time?
Speaker 3:Well, I mean, I'll tell you what my doctor told me, you know back in. Well, you remember this babe.
Speaker 1:It was a pretty dark time. I think you've told this too.
Speaker 3:Back. You know, this is thankfully 15 years ago now, but it was the second time that I had started having these very dark thoughts, and so I went to my neurologist because they told me this could happen. And I said, hey, I'm not going to do anything to myself, but I cannot be thinking this way. And so my neurologist the nurse practitioner that worked for him it was his wife. We had gotten close because she had to sit with me during my chemo infusions, and so we had talked You'd be there all day.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and she said okay. So she went and she got a prescription pad out, or maybe she typed it.
Speaker 1:No, you told me it was a prescription, so she told me four things.
Speaker 3:She said, okay, here's four things and, uh, one of them was a pill. But the number one thing she told me was you need to be outside. You're not getting enough nature. You need to be out in creation. And this, it's not like she's like this really strong Christian lady, right, um. Second is you need to exercise. She says I don't care if you just walk, just move a little bit. Third was make something. She said you're an artist and you're not making anything right now. She said I don't care if you just change the oil on your Jeep, but you got to complete something.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And then fourth was the medicine. And I did it and it really helped Like it was a really integrating experience.
Speaker 1:You did do it, man. You started making stuff like crazy.
Speaker 3:It was cold outside he did.
Speaker 1:He built cabinets in our garage. You built bonus room bunk beds. It was cold outside. He did. He built cabinets in our garage. He built bonus room bunk beds. It was crazy. He went crazy. It was fun.
Speaker 3:But I mean, I had to complete stuff and I'm thankful for it.
Speaker 4:I've actually used that. Yeah, yeah, you might use that, that is good.
Speaker 3:The other thing, I didn't have to take the pills much but knowing that I had them, just knowing, okay, there's something in the cabinet, so if things get dark, dark, I can take this. I have another friend who's sort of narcoleptic he talked about that on here. He has a Tesla and he's never had to use the auto steer. But knowing that he has it, yeah, like he's like.
Speaker 1:Okay if you're five oh he, we didn't talk about that on here actually, did we not?
Speaker 3:he said if I feel myself, honestly, I can click into it and I know I won't hurt somebody or myself. Wow, no, it's huge. So the yeah, that would be my answer.
Speaker 1:Yes, true do you have an answer to that? How, how would you I don know strengthen your emotional health?
Speaker 4:I mean to me, cause my mind is going a million miles an hour at all times. I have to find ways to slow it down.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 4:So to me it's breath work.
Speaker 1:How do you make yourself do it? Is this my problem? I'm so lazy when it comes to that, so this morning I started a new practice.
Speaker 4:that was really helpful because I love the cooler air. That's like life-giving to me and nature for me is. It's actually funny because I told Jamie because I need to trim the bushes in the back around the porch. They've grown up tall but I told her I was like I like it because when I'm sitting on the porch it makes me feel like I'm in the forest.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 4:And it just feels like she's got some really nice plants out there and I'm like, I feel like I'm not on my back porch Right. So I just sat out there with coffee today and just tried to like quiet my mind, but then I went through like gratitude and then intentions and that was really helpful for me because it helped me get like intentions, intentions. So here's my intentions for the day and it was all around, so it's not goals.
Speaker 4:No, I just here's what I intend for to happen today, just today, like I'm not planning, so like in my physical health. So I learned this from addiction, because it's you know, one day at a time right, so you just my intention is I'm not, I'm not gonna drink today okay. I don't tomorrow, worry about itself. I'm not promising, I'm not drinking tomorrow, but today I'm not gonna drink. So that's what I'm trying. And then, because I have a lot of fear and anxiety, the gratitude is helpful for that, so right like here's one and I just love them.
Speaker 4:So I just was talking out loud like a crazy person, but just telling God okay, here's all the things I'm really grateful for and it helped calm my fear. And then here's the. Here's my intentions today, what I intend to do and how I intend to write this down.
Speaker 4:I didn't, because and I normally do but I don't like to journal, I don't like to write, and it makes my brain start going. So I was like, okay, why that If I, I just need to speak these things. And I went into my day a lot more calm today than I normally do. Normally I wake up and I'm I wake up to my brain already going, so it's as if my brain didn't even shut off during the night my body just did.
Speaker 1:So I need to go into my day with like more mindful slow down I just have such a hard time with that, I will go on a walk and think, okay, I'm not gonna listen to anything, and I will literally have a lyric to a song that I it's kind of like, you know, in the middle of the night when it's going and going in your head yeah I cannot think about anything but this, this song.
Speaker 1:It's like and it drives me nuts. So I'm like okay, I've got to listen to something. This is driving me nuts. I want to like walk and pray.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I just can't, my brain won't do it.
Speaker 4:Yeah so.
Speaker 1:I've actually walked before and said the 23rd Psalm over, and, over, and over and over in my head, just because I had to have something going.
Speaker 4:One thing that was helpful for me is when we were doing like yoga and meditation and stuff when I was in treatment.
Speaker 4:I had so much fear, exactly chakras. Um, I had so much fear going on all the time that I couldn't ever still my mind long enough to like be present, like it would just be like literally two seconds and then my mind would go off again. Then I have to bring it back in and go, and the the wellness director there, encouraged me to bring bring my fear into the meditation so I wasn't battling it anymore, I was inviting it in, and that really helped me a lot, so I was able to kind of be mindful.
Speaker 1:His fear was what makes my brain do that.
Speaker 4:You think no I don't know what it is for you. Maybe it's not fear, but you're.
Speaker 3:That fear that you're describing is really interesting Knowing that you're around the seven space on the Enneagram, because you know the five, six and sevens. Their primal motivation is fear. That's their basic emotional posture. You know the twos, threes and fours their basic emotional posture. You know the twos, threes and fours their basic emotional posture is shame. The five has specific fears. It's an enemy from without. Like the six is fear, fears of being alone. But the seven is free, floating fear. Like if you talk to a seven you go. What are you scared of? They might not know, and that's the worst kind, because you can't you can't reason with it.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 3:That rings true. Yeah, does that feel right?
Speaker 4:Yeah, it rings true Like I think. For me in that moment it was I'm in rehab in Denver, I'm not. I had the worst FOMO of all time, which was I've got to be home with my kids and I'm stuck.
Speaker 1:Oh, I have that all the time.
Speaker 4:Like feeling stuck for me is the big.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's hard.
Speaker 4:So I didn't even mind doing the work. I liked doing the therapy and I needed it and it was great. But I just wanted. I felt so isolated from the rest of the world and the contact I was cut off from everything it was going on without you. And I missed my family and I was like couldn't be here, I couldn't talk to them, but it was just so.
Speaker 3:I just had this like the anxiety was I got to get back to Nash, I go back to Franklin and get my life going again. What am I doing? Was there? I don't know that you and I ever talked about this and we can edit this out If you don't want. To feel free to edit this out if you don't want this answer shared. Um, but when you were out there, were you pretty certain that if you did the work, you were going to save your family? Or were you in that they might not be there when I get back? I had what did? Jamie told you.
Speaker 4:Jamie told me before I left that she would hold space for me. What does that mean?
Speaker 1:To get exactly like I'm. I'll hold your husband's spot.
Speaker 4:Well, if you bring me eggs, it was like yeah, it was not like we're gonna stay together. It was basically like I'm not gonna make a decision on this until you, until you, okay, do your program until I see what you're like, then we'll see what life is like after.
Speaker 3:So you, you weren't out there going. Well, this may be for nothing, I might not even, which. I know you do it for you Eventually they say you do it for you.
Speaker 4:I don't know that you ever fully get there. I never fully did, I think. I think the moment I would have been given permission to come home, I probably would have. Yeah. I was out there because this is my only shot of restoring my family Getting better?
Speaker 3:I don't have a.
Speaker 4:I knew. So I was there for 90 days is what I committed to, or longer If they told me I needed longer. Jamie was going to go with the recommendation of them and I was like of the treatment center and I was like 90, I'm out at 90. I mean treatment center and I was like 90, I'm out at 90. I mean, I was counting down the days but I knew if I came home at day 89 and a half it was over wow like she, she was like 90 and not a second under not a second and not a second before they say you're ready oh right
Speaker 3:was was what. How long was it after?
Speaker 4:that when you were home to where you started to go, okay, I, I think, I think this is going to work. I knew it was going to work before the 90 was over. Did you? Okay? She told, yeah, she, she. So one of my best friends in town here, said, hey, the same, the same like spirit of discernment that she had, knowing that something is off with you will also serve her, knowing if and when something is right or healthy with you or whatever. So when we started having contact again, this was probably 45 days into the the um experience, whatever you want to call it. Um we started reconnecting very slowly, first of all under therapeutic guidance. Wow, like we didn't somebody else this was 40.
Speaker 1:You didn't have contact until 45 days. Wow, that's a long time.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that had to be terrifying it was, but we both had to go and do our own work and heal and learn how to be okay without each other and break some patterns of codependency, right? Uh, you know they wouldn't. Let me talk to the kids for a while too. You'll just use them to feel better, and I did at the beginning. I would like to look back on some of the things I said. It was super gross just trying to get like a response from them. Like you know, do you guys? You guys even miss me. You wonder where I'm?
Speaker 4:you know like that kind of thing, trying to get them to be like you know, and so and they were obviously in their own battle and their own trauma. But yeah, 45 days, but we did. We did a full disclosure process that came with a couple of lie detector tests I took and all this kind of stuff. And like you go back and I wrote 20 pages of my whole history, my whole life, and I had to sit down with her in person and read all this to her. But she incredibly, said she kind of she told one of the therapists she's like hey, if there's a bunch in here like some of these guys do disclosure and they talk about 20 years of hidden stuff.
Speaker 4:And it's like the wife's, just like I just can't deal with this. It's too much. So I pretty much knew that that was going to be. She told me like, hey, if there's not any big surprises in here, I want to try to work this out. I want to, you know, move forward with you. So I knew before going home from treatment that we were going to try you know which is awesome.
Speaker 3:That is amazing.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Proud of you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's amazing, gosh, I don't know how we got off on all that but I can't imagine that just brings up so much anxiety in me thinking about doing all that work.
Speaker 4:When I go there now um often I get triggered.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Like a PTSD response. Yeah, it feels like I was just there in the courtyard talking to a new guy who was just entering the program and as I was talking to him, I felt the signs of like of a panic attack coming on because all of a sudden my body was telling me I was back there starting the program again, yeah, and I was like I got to reset. I'm not. This is not my reality.
Speaker 1:I did a bunch of work back in the like years ago and I just like it's. I know I probably need to do a bunch of work now, but I can't. I don't know. I just don't know You're good Scares, know. I just don't know You're good, scares me. All right, so that's our emotional. We got spiritual. We need to bust through spiritual, sorry. I know it's important, but we got to get through it.
Speaker 3:I do have one you talked about like a while ago. You're like, what do you do when you're something? But I, somebody gave me a with someone who's having a panic attack, oh, and when you told me it I thought like, oh, he's joking, but actually he's done it with people and it works. You start from 100 and subtract 7. And you keep going, and you keep going and somehow your mind will.
Speaker 1:Like it gets into the other side, yeah.
Speaker 3:And so I tried it. I was like, okay, 100, 93, 80. And it does a little bit help to lower your blood pressure.
Speaker 1:That's wild, yeah, okay, so that I know. So we're going to go through spiritual.
Speaker 3:See what. It's just interesting, I'm going to bring up a point.
Speaker 1:I know, so we've got to get to spiritual Right.
Speaker 3:What are there's spiritual?
Speaker 1:disciplines. I guess that help strengthen the spiritual muscles, right, yeah, I guess I mean I'm so bad at it.
Speaker 3:That's what I did for a long time was try to my spiritual.
Speaker 1:I am the biggest lazy couch potato when it comes to emotional and spiritual.
Speaker 3:I think you need to define discipline, because we see discipline as something that we do after we've misbehaved or no, I think of discipline as like a practice. That's good. That's what I don't Like culturally, but you're right, I never.
Speaker 1:I actually never put those together.
Speaker 3:Never. Discipline is not for after the fact, that's interesting Discipline is preventive maintenance and discipline. And this is this is not mine, this is Christie and Bill's. They teach this a lot, but discipline should be something you enjoy.
Speaker 1:Okay so.
Speaker 3:Bill sings in the shower.
Speaker 1:So that's a spiritual discipline for him, yes, for him. Okay.
Speaker 3:And he realizes if he misses it, you know so he'll. He can't really sing, but he gets in there and does it. And you know our cohorts up in the mountain, like we, it was 13 people in one house and we woke up to the sound of Bill singing hymns in the shower. That's hilarious Play is a big deal for him Find something that you enjoy playing and go play. He takes men out to the beach and they skip.
Speaker 1:Very hard to skip and be in a bad mood. That just feels really foolish to me.
Speaker 3:Christy floats Well.
Speaker 1:I could float she loves to float. I could float all day.
Speaker 4:I think it's finding that thing Like skipping on the beach. May not be your thing, right right, but what is that thing that's?
Speaker 1:Like it just seems. Does that really work For him? It does Well, I guess so.
Speaker 3:Look, it wouldn't for me. For him it does, well, I guess. So Look, I think what they're trying to say is that a discipline can't just be abstinence from something.
Speaker 1:No, I don't think of it that way. That's interesting A discipline is engagement.
Speaker 3:So I've noticed it only takes five minutes and I don't know why, but I enjoy putting the chickens to bed. I don't know.
Speaker 1:Our chickens are dumb. The chickens to bed? I don't know. Our chickens are dumb.
Speaker 3:They have to be put to bed. Four of them you have to carry into the coop.
Speaker 1:They're idiots, you like doing that. I don't know why Aw?
Speaker 3:I mean, it's just like maybe they're sweet Hutch likes it too, which is interesting. Maybe it's just like a little connection to nature, like I have this little ecosystem happening in our tiny little fenced-in backyard back there, but I like it. I like the chickens, I mean.
Speaker 1:You know it's funny Hutch when he keeps the animals for us he's like I'll never have a dog, which I mean. That probably changed, but he's like there's so much work he goes, but I could have chickens.
Speaker 4:Yeah, isn't that funny.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that makes sense to me that, like bill would go, he actually had us do inventories of things that could be possible. Spiritual disciplines a spiritual discipline is not about finding something spiritual and doing it. A spiritual discipline is finding something you love and inviting the lord into it. Oh, interesting.
Speaker 1:Okay, so that sound like that is the definition of what would that be?
Speaker 3:so you've got to figure out what you love, yeah, the definition of sacrament.
Speaker 1:What would that be? So you've got to figure out what you love.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the definition of sacrament is taking the normal.
Speaker 1:And making it.
Speaker 3:Adding meaning to it and using it to lead yourself or others to the Lord. Wow. So that's why, like baptism, it's just water you know, communion is just a cracker and a.
Speaker 1:Grape juice Christable, yeah, christables. It's just water, you know, but communion is just a cracker and a great.
Speaker 3:You, christ apple, yeah, but and then if it becomes meaningless, you move, move on yeah don't keep trying to inject meaning into something that just that was for then, it's not for now that's interesting's good.
Speaker 1:Okay, so I have another thought that I think marries all three of them.
Speaker 4:Marries, look at you Bringing it all the way, positive thinking and the words that we say.
Speaker 1:I mean, if you think about it, we can heal our bodies. There are people who have healed their bodies by changing their mindset and changing the words that they speak over their body and that can change your spiritual. I mean just by saying gratitude, that can change your mental. It really does change the way you're. I mean, is it the key that God has given us to unlock all three?
Speaker 4:Rewiring our brains.
Speaker 1:By how wild is that?
Speaker 3:I mean, I put it up what are we talking, for example, what are we talking about?
Speaker 1:What do you mean?
Speaker 3:Well, because, like I, when I was trying to lose weight this summer, I couldn't just speak thinness over myself Like it took effort.
Speaker 1:Well, sure, but your mindset, if you'd have been like I'm fat.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 4:I'm just fat my intentions today was like hey for today I'm gonna be healthy, yeah.
Speaker 1:But I mean, if you're constantly negative self-talk of I'm just fat, yeah, I'm fat, I'm never gonna lose weight you won't ever lose weight. I don't have to shut up fat bird big bird, freaking, freaking, fat bird, fat bird, fat bird. I printed out some Bible verses that talk about speech, love it, proverbs 18.21,. Death and life are in the power of the tongue Proverbs 12.18,. Our words can bring healing. I mean, there's a whole bunch of them, I mean, but I just, I mean, I think We'll read some more of them. Oh, okay, sorry.
Speaker 3:Drew will put these in the show notes.
Speaker 1:Okay, so Ephesians 429. We are to let no corrupt communication come from our mouth.
Speaker 3:Let's see that one's a really good one, because if words create worlds, and literally, like the poem that starts the Bible, it's God's speech that creates worlds. Yes, they can also corrupt worlds.
Speaker 1:How crazy, I mean. And it all comes down to what was the thing about the smallest part of a cell? What was that? The quk? And it's actually when they broke it all the way down. It was actually. You want to tell it? You're better at it.
Speaker 3:Well, I mean, it's a little outdated now because you know they're finding smaller and smaller things.
Speaker 1:Sadie Claire sighting. Sadie Claire Come say hi, come, wave, come, get in daddy's shot.
Speaker 3:You have to get down with me. You come, get in daddy's shot. You have to get down with me. You look so pretty where are you going?
Speaker 1:I don't know. Look at our sweet sweet girl she's got to go work on songs in the car you're just going to venture out.
Speaker 3:I'm going on an adventure, guys the Venmo card ran out of money. It just didn't go through.
Speaker 1:Yet she earned her. She earned her Venmo money this time. She sold some stuff on Popstar.
Speaker 4:I have a few people I know in my life named Sadie and they all are Sadie Claire. Now I call them all Sadie Claire. I can't hear Sadie without Claire now.
Speaker 3:You know what? I've noticed? That Sadie is a hard name to say. She's Sadie Claire, but people will call her Sadie Cakes, Sadie Bug.
Speaker 1:It needs another word, Like Hutch Hutch man Hutch needs another word.
Speaker 4:We're not talking about Hutch. He's on my bad list right now. Oh, okay.
Speaker 1:I'm better.
Speaker 4:Love you. I love you, hutch.
Speaker 1:Claire.
Speaker 3:Be careful.
Speaker 1:Hutch, claire. This one is a favorite one of mine Proverbs 16, 24. Kind words are like honey sweet to the soul and health to the body.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's amazing Kind words health of the body.
Speaker 1:How crazy is that.
Speaker 3:Oh man, I have to say the corrupt thing. I understand if you've ever worked in the recording studio.
Speaker 1:Oh, we were talking about the smallest part of that cell, sorry.
Speaker 3:I'll go there. Let me close this loop real quick. Yeah, in the studio or when you're making something, it is amazing how razor thin the line between amazing and suck is yeah.
Speaker 3:Like you're making something and you're pretty jazzed about it, and then somebody kind of goes, you know, I don't, and all of a sudden it's like Okay, so you know, this is a little outdated now, but you know, over the past 30 years they've been able to see smaller and smaller stuff, and at one point the smallest subatomic particle they had identified was what they call a quark, and when asked to describe it, the closest thing they could figure out was that it looks like a sound wave.
Speaker 1:And when I heard that I was just like okay. Literally.
Speaker 3:Say he's leaving.
Speaker 1:Garage door, garage door. She needs to just leave it open. She's going to shut it. It's going to go again here in a second.
Speaker 3:That's all right. So at our like, most basic building block essence is still the voice of God.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know what I mean. It's still. It's still a sound wave.
Speaker 3:And this isn't just people, and this isn't just people.
Speaker 1:This is all matter. That's amazing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, this is everything from the smallest thing to biggest your anus, the gas giant your anus.
Speaker 1:It's very tiny.
Speaker 3:Thank you I thought we were talking about crack no when Hutch was in school he said I have to do a science fair project on a planet.
Speaker 1:We both picked him up from his tutorial and we're like what planet did you get? And I knew it was coming.
Speaker 3:He's like Uranus and he didn't know what an anus was.
Speaker 1:And we're in the front seat looking at each other like stupid middle school kids.
Speaker 3:We're like you got Uranus.
Speaker 1:He's like yeah, the gas giant. It's actually called the gas giant. That's amazing, how crazy that it all comes down to the thing that brings them all together in my brain. I mean makes sense to me.
Speaker 3:Is.
Speaker 1:Is our words and our positive.
Speaker 3:So, really, then, all of our love language is words of encouragement.
Speaker 1:Well, I don't know which you suck at. I'm terrible at.
Speaker 3:You're good with the kids.
Speaker 1:And you're super good with Winnie Am I.
Speaker 3:Because I'm really mean to Winnie If you would talk to me the way you talk to Winnie.
Speaker 1:She's a good girl.
Speaker 3:I know, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:She is a good girl, but let's get down to what is really important right now.
Speaker 3:Let's do it.
Speaker 1:Election.
Speaker 3:You know what? Maybe we just need to stop this episode because it's been so good. Can?
Speaker 1:I just go over one stat.
Speaker 3:I love, according to Jennifer.
Speaker 1:Let me just give one stat and get your opinion Next week is according to Drew, I'll do election for you, because I don't really have it.
Speaker 3:No, go ahead.
Speaker 1:Just one stat and I want to get your opinion on this 32 million self-identified Christians are expected are saying they're going to sit out from the 2024 election. How? Many 32 million. That's not good. Yeah, how do we feel about that?
Speaker 3:I understand it. I understand it too. I respect it actually. Okay, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 1:You guys are idiots. Bye. That was encouraging I understand it, what is the most important topic of this election to you guys? Because I've got a couple of topics that are important to me and we need to end this episode.
Speaker 3:Well, no, can we talk about that, though? I mean sure, because I know there are some of us listening who go you know what? We have the right to vote we, because we can vote, and we're in one of those countries we should be voting.
Speaker 1:It's your civic duty. That's what I was always told as a kid.
Speaker 3:And some of us.
Speaker 1:Are lame.
Speaker 3:Some of us are like this is an endorsement to me of the person, not just the policies, and I, you know sometimes I feel like a moron for thinking that, but it's me and 32 million other people. I can't say yes to some people. I mean I just Can you try, Please?
Speaker 1:I'm begging you Just this election. Can you try?
Speaker 4:I can't get on board with. When it comes to morality, I can't get on board with either party saying that their candidate is the better moral choice. Really, I can't get on board with that.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 4:I think the system and it's corrupt and everyone.
Speaker 1:I just see I feel like that's such an easy out.
Speaker 4:No, I just feel like it's. I can't get on board with one side saying my candidate is more morally, whatever, than the other candidate, or this candidate is more like. I'm just like I don't know that the candidates are, but the policies. Yeah is more morally, whatever than the other candidate, or this candidate is more, more like.
Speaker 1:I'm just like I don't know that the candidates are, but the policies.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I could well maybe, maybe it depends who it depends no I mean if we're tossing abortion into the room, sure?
Speaker 1:well, of course we have to toss. There are people people are voting we have to talk.
Speaker 3:People are voting both red and blue because of their what they think, their morality. Right. And so, as strongly as we feel about something, it's crazy to think that they feel as strongly about the opposite thing, absolutely.
Speaker 1:But knowing you guys and your moral compass and these 32 million Christians and probably how they feel morally, I mean there are some things in the policy that are just so morally that you know one-sided that I just can't even imagine.
Speaker 4:I can get down with voting based on your convictions. I just what I mean is the person, the candidate.
Speaker 1:Absolutely.
Speaker 4:Be like.
Speaker 1:Well, this candidate is more virtuous than the next candidate? No, I do not believe that Neither one of them are no.
Speaker 4:I don't know that you can get to that place and be super virtuous.
Speaker 1:Absolutely.
Speaker 4:That's what I mean, Like you got to look at where you're coming from.
Speaker 1:I don't believe how you go the other way. Well, and I think that's, and if you're a feminist, I don't know how you go the other way.
Speaker 3:I can understand how, a Christian, I don't share it, but I understand it. Okay, I understand the reasoning.
Speaker 1:I shouldn't say I don't understand, because if I were sitting here with a person who was completely opposite of me, I would go. Okay, I respect that you think that I don't think I don't belittle the person who thinks it.
Speaker 3:I don't think If I, if I sit, let me just role play, if I say to you, you know what I think, I don't think the framers of the constitution understood the guns that we have now. Guns, guns, scare me.
Speaker 1:And I don't think people should have them.
Speaker 3:I disagree, but you understand what they're saying.
Speaker 1:I understand that they're afraid of a gun because they weren't raised around them.
Speaker 3:Yeah. But, and someone says, look, I just don't understand why guns are even necessary. I don't agree, but I can respect it.
Speaker 1:I can respect someone who's got a I can respect it, but I also think that you need to do a little more homework. I mean, I think it's an easy out to just go I don't. You know what I mean. Like, look at the other side.
Speaker 3:That's not really respecting it, though, if you're saying you need to do some homework.
Speaker 1:No, but I'm just saying it's easy to go. Oh, this is I just don't, you know, I don't, I don't like it, and so I don't know. Well, I mean guns are not even part of the issue for me, but if the way of Jesus matters.
Speaker 4:I think you got to. I think there's issues on both sides that I align. I'm like, well, I see that like from a policy standpoint, or like historically, what each party believes in, or special like. It's hard for me to align and I think it's why I can understand people sitting out, because it's like, well, there's some things I care about here and some things I care about here, so I have to choose which ones I care about. The most.
Speaker 1:Do you know, do you have, do you have like um words?
Speaker 4:examples I have words no, I I don't, but my friend, really good friend of mine, matt Smallbone. He's a pastor at Church of the City downtown. I had this conversation with him. I can't remember what, but he had five things that he felt like all followers of Jesus need to care about, and I think they were like two. I don't remember exactly what they are I wish I could right now but it was like two historically Democrats cared more about and three historically Republicans to care about. So it made it difficult. Do you have to pick which of those five you're going to like care more about, based on who you vote for? It probably was like caring for the poor and like you know that kind of thing, and so, anyways, it just made it to where. When he unpacked it that way, I was like oh wow, that does make it tough, because there are things I care about there's abortion and all those other things, but I'm the most nonpolitical person. I don't even know why I'm talking about this, because I have it way over my head.
Speaker 4:I'm voting for Ross Perot. Is he running? You could write him in. Okay, I'll write him in, I'm going to write Jeremy in probably.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah. Well, that's a scary thought. Throw away vote. Don't throw away your vote, guys.
Speaker 3:Scary thought she didn't even think I'd make a good president.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm, she's got to work on the affirmation stuff if all that's true, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3:You've wanted me to run for office.
Speaker 1:I have, back when you had a brain Whoa, shots fired, shots fired. All right, how are you gonna wrap this thing? Um, well, I have several issues we could talk about, but we don't have time.
Speaker 3:So, yeah, I want to write this down, because I learned something this week about this and studying it that I want to remember to talk about next time. So you'll be sitting here, so just actually you'll be here, so remember to ask me time.
Speaker 1:So you'll be sitting here, actually, you'll be here.
Speaker 3:So remember to ask me. Oh wait, no, he'll be here. No, you'll be there. I'll probably be there.
Speaker 1:Wow, this is really confusing. Musical chairs Next week it's the gospel according to Big Bird.
Speaker 4:Fat Bird Gospel. According to Fat Bird, that feels like a brewery.
Speaker 1:Fat Bird Brewery Fat Bird. That's that feels like a brewery. Fat bird brewery fat bird yeah, that would kind of go against your so good sober, but you could start a brewery, that'd be something no hutch have been drinking.
Speaker 3:He loves this non-alcoholic beer that's getting super popular athletic, yeah athletic, he loves it I mean, we got a fridge full of athletic.
Speaker 4:He just just, I really wanted to do it's still want to do a non-alcoholic um tap room fat beer, fat fat bird beer, fat bird beer, fat bird.
Speaker 3:I love fat bird.
Speaker 1:You love fat.
Speaker 3:It's a great name.
Speaker 1:Oh, he's like there it is, that's fine. Um well, thanks for sitting through this good job yeah, where can people find us? I don't know, can you do this part, because I don't ever listen to this part she usually talks over this part you mean Instagram? Let's just go no, are you talking about Instagram? Yeah, you can find us on Instagram. Drew, tell us your name on Instagram, mine's private.
Speaker 4:You tell people, but I don't accept people.
Speaker 1:I don't know, don't try to follow Drew. This is my Jenstagram. If you like political stuff, this is my Jenstagram. It's very political.
Speaker 3:With one N.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, one N.
Speaker 3:This is my Jenstagram, because you're going to get a lot of comments from this it has a picture of Winnie.
Speaker 1:Okay, I separated myself from it. You can't search my name and find it.
Speaker 3:I'm the gospel, according to Jeremy.
Speaker 1:You're actually not.
Speaker 3:I know I'm going to go back this summer. I had actually just changed it to my name, but I'm going to go back. It's easier. People have been asking where to find it.
Speaker 1:Oh, but it's so long, and it's Jeremy with an O. Yeah.
Speaker 4:J-E-R-O why? That's what she said, thanks grammy.
Speaker 1:That's what she said and it's so long I was like with a no all right. She said with a no all right, bye guys bye.