The Gospel According to Jeromy
Welcome to "The Gospel According to Jeromy" podcast, where faith, humor, and heartfelt stories collide in a lively conversation about life, love, and everything in between. Join your host Jeromy Deibler, along with co-hosts Jennifer Deibler and Drew Powell, as they share the Dieblers journey from being the acclaimed Christian band FFH to their current path in spiritual direction.
In this engaging and candid podcast, Jeromy, Jennifer, and Drew offer a unique blend of perspectives on spirituality, mental health, emotional well-being, and personal growth. Drawing from their extensive experiences on the road and life's ups and downs, they explore the joys and challenges of faith, all while sprinkling in some humor along the way.
Get ready for spirited debates, deep dives into controversial thoughts, and heartwarming memories as they invite you into their world of faith, questions, and spiritual exploration. Whether you're a longtime believer, a spiritual seeker, or simply someone looking for meaningful conversations, "The Gospel According to Jeromy" podcast has something for everyone.
Tune in to join the conversation, laugh, learn, and be inspired as Jeromy, Jennifer, and Drew navigate the twists and turns of life's spiritual journey. It's a podcast that's as diverse as their experiences and as authentic as their hearts. Subscribe today and embark on a captivating exploration of faith, laughter, and the adventure of the human spirit.
The Gospel According to Jeromy
According to Big Bird
What happens when you strip away your professional identity and face the raw question: who are you, really? Join us on a journey through life's transitions, exploring the humor and heartache of finding oneself beyond job titles and achievements. From the light-hearted banter about appearances to confronting the fears and gratitude that accompany personal growth, we tackle the challenge of separating who we are from what we do, especially when stepping into new life stages or roles. Discover candid reflections on embracing a "second or third act" in life, with insights into how personal growth and self-understanding can lead to a richer, more authentic existence.
Ever wondered about the complexities of redefining identity after a major life change? We delve into the journey of achieving sobriety and the courage it takes to let go of past, unsustainable identities, especially for high achievers. Through personal anecdotes, we illustrate how past experiences shape our ability to connect and support others, showing that growth involves integrating all parts of one's journey. Our conversation highlights the importance of carrying forward lessons from the past, valuing oneself beyond previous successes, and embracing the vulnerability that comes with change.
Prepare for a mix of humor and introspection as we chat about everything from theater performance quirks to the playful exploration of language and culture. Enjoy light-hearted discussions on personal style, the power of compliments, and the amusing dynamics of relationships. We weave stories of everyday life, from unexpected encounters to the importance of mutual support and celebrating each other's strengths. Experience the joy of casual conversation, where laughter, personal growth, and the richness of life's transitions blend seamlessly into a tapestry of storytelling that invites you to reflect on your own journey.
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Speaker 2:You know that is in your shot.
Speaker 3:It's all right okay, actually put your your right ear, your hair behind the there, why? Well, you told me you to ask you asked me if it looked good. Well, you got a piece. That's better. One piece was just sticking out.
Speaker 2:Oh, it's flat around now, is it fine?
Speaker 1:Well, hey, everybody.
Speaker 2:Whoa Beep, beep, beep. Sorry, coming in hot. What number are you? I think?
Speaker 1:I'm number one One. Where are you? I think I'm number one One, winnie.
Speaker 2:Winnie did not like that. Hey everybody, there you go.
Speaker 1:Better. Thanks, coach me up.
Speaker 3:Coach me up.
Speaker 1:Welcome to the gospel, according to Big Bird Yay.
Speaker 3:I get that now, don't I? Okay, no, you can have it.
Speaker 2:You need a fidget toy.
Speaker 1:Well your hands have been on it, now need to put lip stuff on.
Speaker 2:I didn't do that. You guys talk amongst yourselves Go ahead.
Speaker 1:This is my intro let's hear it.
Speaker 3:Go ahead.
Speaker 1:I don't know when I'll get this opportunity again. I'm here with my co-hosts, the Deiblers, deiblers, sorry.
Speaker 4:Stupid, stupid.
Speaker 1:Episode 43. Episode 43. We just wrapped our. Last week we had our election episode and today is about my gospel.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I'm scared.
Speaker 1:Well, I haven't given a lot of thought to this.
Speaker 3:No, I mean he came completely unprepared.
Speaker 1:You had notes and all kinds of things.
Speaker 2:I did. I was so well prepared. I stayed up until 1.30 the night before figuring out my gospel. But here we are.
Speaker 1:I have a lot of things that I don't want to talk about.
Speaker 2:Okay, what are those?
Speaker 3:Oh, we could do an anti thing. We could talk about all the things you don't like to talk about.
Speaker 1:I don't want to talk about church stuff. I'm tired of that. Okay, I hear you Over that Politics we covered that already.
Speaker 2:We kind of put that one in the ground.
Speaker 3:Can I take these off now that once we, yeah, yeah, I'm hearing everything's fine.
Speaker 1:It's a really slow start.
Speaker 2:I feel like I'm tanking do you have any good news, any gospel, anything that's important to you, or are you just just going along?
Speaker 1:looking around. Yeah, thanks for trying to bail me out. So what I've been thinking about a lot lately is fear and gratitude, so we can talk about that I also. Here's another thing that just came to mind I'm curious about. This may be boring for y'all. I'm curious about y'all's story.
Speaker 3:This is a good job deflecting See.
Speaker 1:I'm a better interviewer than I am. I don't want to talk, I don't. There's nothing.
Speaker 3:I'm more curious about you guys. This is the good news, according to Drew, you guys have never unpacked your full story and what brought you to this moment I don't think we? It's all bits and pieces.
Speaker 2:This is such a cop out.
Speaker 1:This is such an Enneagram 7 move.
Speaker 2:Cop out. We're not doing this.
Speaker 1:No, no, that's what I want to know. That's what I'm curious about.
Speaker 2:Good try.
Speaker 3:Big Bird. No, we're not doing that. Okay, this is the good news.
Speaker 1:according to Drew. Let's talk about I got a better one then. That is interesting to me though.
Speaker 2:We can do that sometime.
Speaker 1:What about this topic? What about identity slash, second and third acts of? So, like I'm in my next act Okay, I'm re-emerging in a different space than I was before and how to like when people ask like, tell me something about yourself. Often we go to what we do when someone says well, I don't want to know about you, I want to know about you that answer is really difficult for me because I'm so connected with what I do, or have been so connected with what I do.
Speaker 1:You both are still doing the music thing and all that kind of stuff but, also are in different acts, different seasons. How do you transition those? How do you go from one act to the second act and how do you deal with identity in the meantime? We can do that. You want to go there.
Speaker 3:Is that a better topic? I literally just thought of it. I just think it's funny that you've we've now cause we delayed. Yeah, we, we knew this was, you knew this was coming, we, we delayed.
Speaker 1:I've been busy. I got a lot going on.
Speaker 3:We delayed it by a week because we did our election special. You want to switch?
Speaker 1:back and I'll come back later and be prepared.
Speaker 3:No way, dude. This is, you've had enough time.
Speaker 2:Oh wow, that sounds mean. Is this how it was for?
Speaker 3:you during the science fair at school and all that.
Speaker 1:Did you wake up the morning of and go? Oh crap.
Speaker 2:I did a lot of flying by the seat of my pants yes, yeah, but look at the good toppings you've already come up with. You like those. Yeah, that's something that I deal with. A lot is dropping my old identity still, and embracing a new.
Speaker 1:Who am I now? Yeah, and how do I show up in the world now? Yeah, especially when, for me and maybe you guys feel this way when act one was, in a lot of ways, pretty great yeah nick, it was pretty.
Speaker 1:I was just on a retreat. This is why this is top of mind. I just want to retreat with a bunch of people from Valiant, where I went to rehab. These are all guys that have been very successful. They've all made way more money than I have All that stuff. Their life fell apart and now they're trying to reemerge and figure out now that I'm sober and I think it ties in but now that I'm sober, now what?
Speaker 2:Great.
Speaker 1:I'm not.
Speaker 2:Who am I?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm not running to those old unhealthy habits. But now is, what is life Like? What am I supposed to? Is this it, or is there more? Or, you know, should I pursue something, should I run after something, or do I just need to sit back and let life come to me and chill out, especially if you're a high achiever, you know? So I don't have any answers on that, but that's. I've been living in that space too, like I think. First my first act, first half of life, it was very like quote unquote, purpose driven. I was told, hey, you have a purpose, and it was like the word calling was around a lot Like you're called to this and this is your why you're put on the earth.
Speaker 1:And so everything drove me towards that and I think, even as a leader, I realized even became abusive in my leadership and somewhat because I expected everyone who worked for me to feel the same sense of calling. And it was like hey, you know, no matter that I'm paying you 26 grand a year to work full time and you know it's like Williamson County, it's like you're making beans. But especially during COVID and during other things, like we had to pivot a lot and there just was an expectation like hey, whatever I throw at you, I need you to have a good attitude and you step up if you need to pull an all-nighter, because we're called to this and we're. And now I'm looking back on it and I'm like gosh, that was like I would if I was working for someone like that. Now I would tell them to go F themselves. See ya, sorry.
Speaker 4:Sorry, I didn't spell it out.
Speaker 1:Sorry, I didn't spell it out, but yeah, I would not work for a person like that. I don't work for them now. If I have a client right now that does that to me, I charge them extra. Well, that's more money, because I value my time and effort.
Speaker 2:Gosh, how do you do that? It's so hard for me to do that, but anyway, I think it's great, I think it's important to do. You're charging a lot of clients, that's. I'm saying I don't charge anybody. Where's that you?
Speaker 1:got a sub account.
Speaker 2:No, my like with my frequency stuff, I'm like I'm not going to charge you.
Speaker 3:I mean I just can't I.
Speaker 2:It's hard for me to put any value on myself.
Speaker 1:I undervalue my time drastically. There's been two or three times in the last month that I've caught myself doing that and I've raised my price by three times the amount and they all have taken it wow, and I was like I just about left a significant amount of money on the table because I don't value myself and my time and my that's awesome that you did that. Yeah, I caught myself, but I didn't always do that I do that raise your price.
Speaker 2:No, I doue my time. Oh yes, you do yeah I think what you said.
Speaker 3:I like your act one, act two, act three and I use that some because you know, sometimes we use this phrase. Well, I, that wasn't me, I'm a different person. Now I'm like no, you're not, you're a, you're not, you're a revised. You can't just forget Act 1. Act 2 won't make any sense, like Season 1, drew. You know that of the Drew show, season 2, you've got to have all the plot line from Season 1. If not, it's a whole new show.
Speaker 3:And then Season 3 builds on Season, and so you're in Drew's season, you know the Powell's season three.
Speaker 2:Or two.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but it sounds like what you're saying is, like you know, this is season three, this is post-sobriety not well, post-getting sober and so you feel different, but you're still you. It's funny. You got to bring forward the things that were good about it.
Speaker 1:Well, I didn't connect the dots on this so just now, but right before I came over here today, I was having lunch with a friend. He used to attend the old church I was a part of, but we stayed friends and we're hanging out, and in the middle of lunch I got, he was weeping and crying. It was a bad situation. What's up, sadie Claire?
Speaker 2:Hi Punkin' Wunkin'.
Speaker 1:And I took the call just a few-minute call and afterwards I hung up. The guy literally looked at me. He's like dude, that was pastoring and you wouldn't have been able to do that if you didn't walk through what you went through.
Speaker 1:He heard what you were saying yeah, he heard me kind of talk Cause I was like, hey, I'm at London, he's like I need to talk to you now, and so he heard me, kind of like just helping this guy through this moment. It wasn't really helping, I was just listening and being sad with him. I and yeah, it was just attunement, it was like I wasn't giving him advice, I was just like man, this is, I'm really sad about this and this makes me angry too, and this is not right. And just making sure he had the tools he needed to not, in his case, to not drink stay sober Like are you safe, Are you OK, Can you?
Speaker 1:you know he's like my sobriety is definitely in jeopardy and I'm going to do. We're going to get Dave, he's going to come over and hang out with you and blah, blah, blah, blah. And those phone calls are happening more regular now and it's just part of my life and I make the calls too, Like if I'm having a tough time.
Speaker 1:But it was interesting because he was saying what you just said Basically like, hey, if you wouldn't have went through what you went through there, no way, yeah, and, and you are, you're very aware in that way.
Speaker 3:So, um, you know, regular listeners of this notice that we didn't have a new episode last week, and that happened day of I, jennifer and me weren't, we weren't, we didn't see each other that day, but I, I told her. I said we didn't see each other that day, but I told her, I said I don't know if I can record today, I just have nothing to give. And so then I texted the two of you together and I said hey, I, I can't do the podcast today. There, there's just the thought of it is like. And your response was hey, man, how can I help?
Speaker 3:But, you actually said hey, I'm really proud of you for taking care of yourself is there anything I can do and I was like oh yeah, what a mature response like notice.
Speaker 2:I didn't have that response. Mine was are you sure we're not going to have a podcast out this week?
Speaker 3:she was ready to power through I'm so sorry, throttle down no, I mean it's okay I didn't feel like you're. I don't remember your response, but I don't feel like you were harsh, or anything.
Speaker 1:Okay, good, I think you were just no, but that was so good.
Speaker 2:And then he texted me separately and was like hey, can I check on Jeremy?
Speaker 1:Well, I texted you and I said hey, what do you think Jeremy needs right now? Does?
Speaker 3:Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1:And she was like I think you would appreciate a call, so I called lefty message or whatever.
Speaker 3:No, it was awesome and I felt really cared for. Now, if I was just sort of a, you know if it would have been something that I could have phoned in? You know, if it was, I still could have picked my kids up from a class.
Speaker 2:Right yeah.
Speaker 3:I didn't want to show up that way, right, right, but yeah, I, I didn't want to show up that way right, but the way you handled it was it was definitely third season drew yeah and I didn't know you in season one or two, but it was. I would have guessed that's third season. Anybody like to show up that way and go? Oh man is there anything you need from me like yeah, huge.
Speaker 1:Well, that's kind. I just don't think that I I didn't know how to empathize and feel I just being a seven showing up as an interim seven, I just I avoided pain and I didn't have space for people to actually have like negative. What I've learned now there's not negative emotions but like in my mind it's almost sad, or or you know. I just didn't know how to right so I would normally run.
Speaker 1:So I think a lot of my texts to you probably in that moment was me. Like I my my default is to avoid and to not show up when like things are like, let me just give them space. And I've lost some relationships because I not because I didn't care, but I just didn't know how to. I didn't know how to sit in the pain and sit in the sadness.
Speaker 2:So I just was like this is weird, so I'm just gonna ignore it and go. I don't like this.
Speaker 3:This is uncomfortable yeah, well, appropriateness is a really. It is a very mature acquired like and so what you were checking with it sounds like you were going. Would it be appropriate to text him?
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, because I just felt like I wanted to show up for you, but I also wanted you to get what you needed which if it was space, right Because? Sometimes, when I don't know, I feel this way. Sometimes I have to be careful because I'll tend to isolate. But yeah, sometimes I just need, I'm okay, I just I need a break, right, and someone calling me or like wanting to have a conversation feels exhausting.
Speaker 3:Now I got to take care of them. Now I got to take care of them and I didn't want you to feel that way.
Speaker 1:So I was like and it was great because you didn't answer. I don't think you answered, I just left you a message. It worked out great, but that's still. My default is to shy away from that.
Speaker 2:I think that's mine too. A lot of times, don't you think?
Speaker 3:Well, I think it's pretty easy for us as humans to project onto someone how we treat them, because we think, well, what would I want? During this time and I think that's pretty normal Like you might give someone space. Because that's what I always want, because you think they probably need some space, or we might reach out and, you know, coddle someone because we think, well, I would probably, and what you were doing is like what you did is like the most empathetic thing is what would they need?
Speaker 2:I'm not going to insert Right.
Speaker 3:Well done, Drew. Would they need?
Speaker 1:I'm not going to insert right, well done, drew. I mean, hey, it's my gospel. Is there anything else great about me we want to talk about?
Speaker 3:what I didn't tell you is that that actually was a really good example for me. So last week jennifer was sort of spinning out about some of the stuff that I told you, kind of I was like, hey, this is what's going on.
Speaker 3:And so I was away um getting ready to see a client and I could, and she had said I'm just really. So I texted her is there anything you need from me right now, which is not normally what I say to her. I normally go hey, it's, you know, we're going to be okay, or. I empathize and go. I'm so sorry that you're feeling this way, but I was like is there anything I can do for you to help? And you said I think you said no.
Speaker 2:I don't remember.
Speaker 3:I think you said I'll let you know if there is.
Speaker 2:Probably.
Speaker 1:I got to do that for Jamie more though I'm just a lot. I'm better with other people than I am with her.
Speaker 2:I think, yeah, I think that's so hard to do with your person.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because, even as we're talking and I appreciate what you're saying I just feel like a little shame come up because I'm like I don't do that for her as well as I could. I'm really triggered by the word help.
Speaker 3:But you also know her, yeah, so you know this wouldn't help. You don't know me that well.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:We're going to see each other tomorrow. I hope we don't ruin it because you and I are having coffee tomorrow.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, we are, you are.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm not invited. No, because we don't talk outside of the podcast.
Speaker 3:We're considering starting a thing which I love starting stuff Me too but you're going to probably have to finish it we're going to start the fire. She likes starting stuff too.
Speaker 2:I like starting stuff, but I get bored real easy.
Speaker 1:Here's my thing I enjoy starting things, but I also really like to execute, do you?
Speaker 3:like, follow through.
Speaker 1:I'm not great at follow through, but I will say I'm good at I love and I do this with my clients all the time. Here's where we are. Here's where we need to go. Here's the plan on how we can get there.
Speaker 2:I see it so clear. I've literally been praying God. We have this and we have. We have A and we have C, we need B, we need somebody who can go.
Speaker 3:He's B. He's Big Bird, Big Bird. We need somebody who goes. Okay, we're going to go from.
Speaker 2:A to C and here's how we do it, because we are just like Now.
Speaker 1:I will say I don't like doing the. Here's how we get there. I just brought in someone into my company to help me with all the steps. But I can give you this, and here's a thing I also like doing. It can be multiples, like when we sit down tomorrow. There's in my mind. There's lots of different paths on how you can do it.
Speaker 3:You're like beast in that way. You can see it playing out. I love it.
Speaker 1:It's so exciting did you share it with jennifer?
Speaker 3:she'll have no interest in them.
Speaker 2:She doesn't thing is she wants someone to basically plan out the rest of your life. She wants us to help us go a C but she doesn't want to have anything to do with it. No, I mean. No, I'm happy to pitch in. I just the planning is like that's overwhelming.
Speaker 1:Well, I love like I see, especially with you guys, and I'm not just flattering Like I love when I see so much good in people and how much there is to offer to the world. That's my especially coming out of rehab. That's kind of if I was going to throw around the word calling, which I don't really like that word so I won't use it, but I've very specifically felt the Lord or the universe or something Tell me it's. My next season was to help thought leaders amplify their message so they can help more people.
Speaker 3:So he named it Amplify.
Speaker 2:Amplify is the name of the company. That's super cool.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that was my thing because I was like man, there are so many people doing good in the world, especially coming from my background Not that churches aren't doing good in the world, but there was a lot of churches that had platforms and influence and I was like, where is the a platform and influence for the other people doing work in these smaller environments?
Speaker 2:Right, but no one knows about it. Yeah, like they don't know because it's a Outside of the yeah Walls of the church.
Speaker 1:So I like the idea of helping people see a path towards-.
Speaker 2:That's exactly what I've been praying for, because we have no-.
Speaker 1:And then profiting off of them. That's the whole thing. That's the key Building my thing off other people's backs.
Speaker 2:Hey, do what you gotta do, man, I don't care, that's great, go for it.
Speaker 3:This is a risk. We're gonna take a risk, aren't we? Well, we're meeting together outside of.
Speaker 2:Well, you and I have done that before.
Speaker 1:Our friendship can sustain that.
Speaker 2:This is way off the subject, but it needs to be said because I never do this, but you look really cute are you talking to drew or me?
Speaker 3:you? Yeah, this is all you in that sweater.
Speaker 2:So what's a woo?
Speaker 3:I just got it, I you did I bought it on my own I love it which a v-neck, is not usually my go-to it's not usually your jam, but you look but you're looking to cut this early. Do I need to leave? No, no, but it's a.
Speaker 2:It's a very short, v, like it's not a deep.
Speaker 3:V.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's not a deep V. Yeah, it looks nice. You got an undershirt under there and it's a little disheveled, like it's like I'm not trying too hard. Yeah, you look good, you look good in gray.
Speaker 3:This is your moment. I Now you look bad. He said disheveled no in a good way, though.
Speaker 1:No, you need a t-shirt to come out.
Speaker 2:It looks better when the t-shirt comes out.
Speaker 1:I feel like he's aged very well.
Speaker 2:It's not fair. Men age differently.
Speaker 3:Also, I colored my beard last week, so maybe that helps.
Speaker 2:No, what color did you color it?
Speaker 3:I couldn't care less about that, I just went. It's still, you know it doesn't look colored.
Speaker 2:You just put a beard color.
Speaker 3:Gillette, whatever that.
Speaker 2:It's just Gillette brown.
Speaker 1:Yeah, brown, this looks fine.
Speaker 2:It looks great still, thank you. I like it. I like the salt and pepper.
Speaker 3:It was so salt, it was mostly salt.
Speaker 2:A little less pepper. I mean, it was like it was heavy on the subject. I just don't usually.
Speaker 1:No, can we stay on this subject? Listen, I couldn't be more thrilled for him.
Speaker 2:I usually think it and don't say it.
Speaker 1:So I just was thinking it and thought, oh, I'm going to share it Are you the type now that will wear that sweater a lot because you said it oh yeah, I mean I'll get rid of everything else. If Jamie compliments something, you're going to see that bad boy a lot. What is Jamie? What is her? What is she like for you to wear?
Speaker 3:Wow, it's taking a minute.
Speaker 4:It's been a while since I received one of those I don't.
Speaker 1:She's generally like kind of you do you boo when it comes to yeah yeah, yeah. I don't know that she's got a whole lot of. She's funny because she's not a shopper. She doesn't buy clothes for herself, she just kind of yeah. Every once in a while, if I ask her, she'll speak up about my hair.
Speaker 2:Oh, does she like the mullet? No, she's not into the mullet.
Speaker 1:But she would never say it.
Speaker 2:Aw.
Speaker 1:She just kind of let me do my thing. But every once in a while she'll say well, I like it when you you know, and it's not what I'm currently doing. So I'm like that was her way of being like yeah, I feel like, as I'm getting older, I got to keep some kind of.
Speaker 2:I like that. Yeah, it gives you a little something. It gives you a little bit of a.
Speaker 1:Soften out my fishing shirts also.
Speaker 3:I don't know that these women understand. You know we get told I'm sure you've been told, well, you married up, like you know, jamie's really cute, jennifer's cute and I don't think they understand as we age that, that it is a compliment to have somebody say you married up.
Speaker 3:It's backhanded a little bit it's pretty backhanded but like the other day I I told her, I said man, you look hot, babe. And she's like oh, you do too. And I was like I said you're hot, she goes. You are too honey. And I was like I'm warm, at best lukewarm, yeah lukewarm revelations 319 yeah, I'm warm. You're looking warm today. You're looking hot today. You give them, you go all the way to hot, yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm warm. I'm warm. You're looking warm today. You're looking hot today.
Speaker 1:You're all the way to hot, I'd say.
Speaker 2:he looks hot 72 and sunny today. Where is he on this 72 and sunny?
Speaker 1:Is he over here?
Speaker 3:I'd say he's at the top, you're peeking out, well I mean, if this is, say Chris Pine, is that who you got?
Speaker 2:to oh, let me think about that RFK who's up there? Well, rfk, if we're just doing, looks, he's not oh, I find him very attractive, but it's a full package if we're doing RFK.
Speaker 3:You know I'm going look at him. I want to see where you're. Well, I mean he's so invested in this.
Speaker 1:she has no problem with this, yeah.
Speaker 2:What do you mean?
Speaker 3:Jessica Chastain. I think is great.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, that's always your favorite.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:What are we doing here? I don't know.
Speaker 3:Where are you right now on this? Yeah, I mean. No, I asked you. Do you have a person?
Speaker 1:Who's up there? I think we've talked about this before we have. You didn't bite. No, nothing really pops in my mind Rebecca Ferguson, kelly Kapowski. Yeah, I think that was probably it, like Tiffany Amber Thiessen.
Speaker 2:Tiffany Amber Thiessen.
Speaker 1:Is that?
Speaker 3:Fluffabugas.
Speaker 2:Rebecca Ferguson Is that your top?
Speaker 3:No, remember she was on my list.
Speaker 2:I think Amanda Peete is really cute. You like Amanda Peete?
Speaker 1:Who's the one that was in the. Not that I didn't like her in the Barbie movie, but she's cute.
Speaker 2:Oh, margot Robbie. Yeah Well, I mean she's. She's like listen, if this is a zero to 100, she's probably at 150. She's not fair. She's not fair to humanity. Okay so we got Margot Robbie is Okay. Okay, if we're going on, look, okay, this is all just looks. Rfk is the total package.
Speaker 3:But okay, if we're doing looks, just looks you like Chris Pine, I thought yeah. Chris Pine, you also don't you like, thor?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 3:Who's that? What's?
Speaker 2:his name. That's another, chris Hemsworth. Okay, yeah, I'll take Chris Hemsworth. He's definitely a hundred. He's up there with Margot. Robbie. I mean, yeah, he's not fair to humanity either. Yeah, he's a specimen.
Speaker 3:What about the merman? What's his name?
Speaker 2:Oh, I'm not into him.
Speaker 1:Jason Mimosa.
Speaker 2:He's too big.
Speaker 1:You're not into Mimosa. It's not Mimosa, that's a drink. It's Mamoa, mamoa, okay.
Speaker 3:He. My mom would totally be in the Merman. She loved Tom Selleck when I was a kid. Tom Selleck, she loved him, tom.
Speaker 2:Selleck is still rocking it. Who's Sam from Cheers? Yes, who is he?
Speaker 3:Sam Malone.
Speaker 2:Ted Danson, he's not up there.
Speaker 3:What about Clooney? I think Clooney's really. Yeah, he seems cool Like Ocean's 8 Clooney and Ocean's 8 Brad Pitt, brad Pitt.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, that was.
Speaker 3:Okay. So when guys say, boy, you married up, I think they have me down here at like maybe a 45. Okay, and they're saying Jennifer's up here and I'm like they're not putting me with those people. I literally had a guy ask me one time Is that hard for you? That she's, so I was like no. Daniel, it's not that hard. I mean, wow, there it is.
Speaker 1:Geez.
Speaker 2:Wow, I wonder who that was.
Speaker 1:Dropped his name and everything.
Speaker 2:Remember that guy in our Sorry.
Speaker 3:Remember that guy in our small group.
Speaker 2:He used to call me PJ Perfect Jennifer. He used that guy in our small group.
Speaker 3:He used to call me pj perfect jennifer.
Speaker 2:He used to call me pj at church in small group yeah, he was in our small group this guy was very creepy.
Speaker 1:He was he's like, do you mind? If I call you pj, and I was like did you not know what it stands for when I was like what are you talking about?
Speaker 2:I might he's like perfect jennifer. I was like, oh god, I don't like that this guy's name was gin, like the drink gin g-i-n. I was like I don't like that one bit. This guy's name was.
Speaker 3:Gin like the drink, Gin G-I-N.
Speaker 2:I was like I don't think so, gin, I don't trust him. Gin back off.
Speaker 3:Yeah, let's not do that.
Speaker 2:This is not your gospel anymore. No, I love it. The gospel is all jacked up. This is what I want to say Abso-fricking-lutely Facts I don't know. Listen to all you marriage and family people out there. I probably do know some that are okay.
Speaker 1:The majority of the marriage and family counselors I know of are so screwed up. Hey, they got into it because they were broken and they received help and fell in love and then started doing it, but not all of them accepted the help.
Speaker 2:Let's just say that Good job on facts too.
Speaker 3:Quit scratching Gen Z facts.
Speaker 2:So facts, that was facts.
Speaker 3:Did I say that? You did Good job, integrating Our younger audience.
Speaker 2:Way to go.
Speaker 3:Yes, I see you. Our whole younger, our younger Listener.
Speaker 4:Our demographic.
Speaker 2:Our listener Now please pull your t-shirt Out the middle now. It's Now. It looks like you don't have one on.
Speaker 3:He said I'm disheveled. He wrote down disheveled.
Speaker 1:I wonder what that is.
Speaker 4:I don't have my glasses on.
Speaker 2:Well.
Speaker 3:I wrote that because D shoveled. Can you be shoveled? Well, no, it would be heveled.
Speaker 2:Would it?
Speaker 3:I'm like if you're disorganized.
Speaker 2:So if you're disheveled, oh, we need to Google that, but all of our phones are being used.
Speaker 3:I was teaching a thing at Belmont on Monday and the theme the class.
Speaker 2:That was a big flex. Well, no, I was just making it your big deal. See, that's putting him up here with RFK, because the brains are coming in. It's not why.
Speaker 3:It's the collegiate lecture.
Speaker 2:I'm a professor? I was just a one-off, the course is called the why Behind the what.
Speaker 3:That's the name of the course, and so it's you.
Speaker 3:My friend, professor steven was bringing in, he's bringing in different people to talk about, like certain, and so mine was kind of like the language that we use is kind of our filing system. So I was telling the kids how language matters because it helps us. From last call back to last week, our language is how we organize, you know, because we're orienting and organizing, and so, like I talked about how, like there are different, like romance, languages that have literally different words and meanings. So you know, it creates different cultures, but I don't. So I've been paying attention to words and I don't know what Heveled means.
Speaker 2:Well, are you sure you know how to spell that how?
Speaker 1:do you spell the cheveled? I don't know. I can't even see what that is. I hear nonchalant a lot.
Speaker 2:Nonchalant. I know, can you be chalant?
Speaker 1:Yes, Can you be?
Speaker 3:chalant, I guess you.
Speaker 4:Chalant must be French.
Speaker 3:It would be very unrelaxed. Man so-and-so is high strung.
Speaker 2:Very chalant.
Speaker 3:She's so chalant, you're super chalant. Well, I'm like if you dismember something, yeah, sadie, so can something be shoveled?
Speaker 2:I'm going to go ask Sadie to Google it.
Speaker 3:I'll be right back, oh will you ask her to.
Speaker 1:There's two apple cores over here next year, two liter of pepsi zero eating an apple.
Speaker 3:Ask her bring me a pop tart then. So well, so I don't know like, I'm just trying to, I'm trying to have dish have old, dish have old yeah, she really did go in the other room and ask sadie to do that. Dish-heveled, dish-heveled. Yeah, she really did. Go in the other room and ask Sadie to do that. Yeah, well, here's the thing. Sadie's not going to do it. No, hey, will you grab me a Pop-Tart while you're up? Why?
Speaker 2:can't you?
Speaker 3:Yeah, will you grab me a Pop-Tart? She's going to get you a. Pop-tart Sadie usually will just you ask her to do something and she'll just go no, Wow, no, can you? She's got a lot of sass.
Speaker 2:She's got sass, she is.
Speaker 3:You know what? You reminded me of Savannah. So the gospel according to Drew you thought about it on the way over here, maybe, or you thought about it as we sat down the other day. Jennifer had to go to work, and so she asked Sadie before she left at 7.30 in the morning.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, no, no, I had texted her when I was gone.
Speaker 3:Like early hey, can you clean the bathroom before I get home? So I'm laying over there. I was laying in bed, I was on my phone and I got a text from Jennifer to her and I both saying I'm on my way, and I immediately hear go, go, go, go, go, go go. And I didn't know what she was doing. So then I went downstairs to get a snack and she comes down Where's the broom. He did it.
Speaker 3:And so by the time from the time Jennifer got from Spring Hill to home she had cleaned both bathrooms.
Speaker 1:That's like power cleaning.
Speaker 2:Get down in here so we can see you Get in the frame.
Speaker 1:Tell us about your theater performance.
Speaker 2:Look at him trying to get out of this.
Speaker 1:No, go get me a Pop-Tart. I'm more curious about other people. My good news is the good news of other people.
Speaker 3:Bad news of codependence. Your good news includes the bad news of codependence.
Speaker 1:I can't come up with a topic that I actually want to hear about, did you?
Speaker 3:Google it. Sadie what Hebbled means.
Speaker 2:I know, but this is really weird. Well, yeah, I mean she's a grown person yeah she's a grown person.
Speaker 3:Well, no, she's not going to be in it because you're going to crop it.
Speaker 1:No, I'll keep her in it Tell us about your performance. Is it over?
Speaker 4:Yeah, it's over. Did it go well?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was good, I'm talking to Mike a little bit more, though, so we can hear you again.
Speaker 4:It's over. No too much Should I do an ASMR?
Speaker 3:No, don't do ASMR. Hey guys, welcome back Sadie. Back up, back up, jeez.
Speaker 1:This has actually become the gospel, according to Sadie. You're going to get a lot of followers from my ASMR. That I just do, I, and they're all Sadie Claire to me now.
Speaker 4:Are they all dogs? I know so many dogs named Sadie. No, they're humans. Oh, that's good.
Speaker 1:I call them Sadie Claire. They're like why do you call me Sadie Claire? I'm like it's another person. Just wish you were her. Did the performance go well? Theater performance go well. It went really well. What role did you play in it?
Speaker 4:I was mostly dancing.
Speaker 1:Give us a sample.
Speaker 4:I said, I said I just love older men.
Speaker 3:That sounded Indian a little though.
Speaker 4:I know I lost it.
Speaker 3:I love older men.
Speaker 4:I just love older men.
Speaker 3:Hit us with the British version.
Speaker 1:What's next on the docket in the theater world.
Speaker 4:I have an audition on the 15th for Oliver and Fiddler on the Roof. Figure out which one she's in. Whichever one they want me to be in.
Speaker 1:Oh, oliver, okay, that's two separate ones. I was like I don't remember that one, oliver. So what happened with?
Speaker 3:Chalant, what did you?
Speaker 4:Oh, chalant. It says chalant is not. There's no word in the English language, is there?
Speaker 2:one in the French language.
Speaker 4:So, nonchalant is just one word. Oh, it says to disregard, that's nonchalant Word that comes from that's nonchalant.
Speaker 3:I don't know, bro, that's what it says so Hevel is probably what does chalant mean, oh, calm and casual, okay, what that's?
Speaker 4:what nonchalant? I feel like it's just the same as nonchalant.
Speaker 1:Chalant nonchalant. No, those are two different words.
Speaker 2:Well, nonchalant are the same. No, it's not.
Speaker 4:It says nonchalant is feeling or appearing Wait what One sec. Feeling or appearing casually, calm and relaxed, not displaying anxiety, interest or enthusiasm.
Speaker 3:That's nonchalant. Quit twisting the chair. Let's bring chalant in. Okay, let's do chalant and heveled. So if you're all put together, I'm not so sure.
Speaker 1:It's not sheveled.
Speaker 2:You're saying heveled, sheveled, then I think there might be two S's in it.
Speaker 3:Hutch is always shoveled.
Speaker 2:When he leaves, he is shoveled Well he's been going with some disheveled hair looks though I've seen Hutch in the wild before and he has, he'll have hair going. I mean he is, the hair is disheveled.
Speaker 1:Well, this is why because his hair part's in a weird spot and it doesn't want to, so this part falls over and it's just crazy.
Speaker 2:It's like from the neck down he's bent carrot of the hair. It is bent carrot.
Speaker 4:Okay, well, what was I going to say about?
Speaker 2:that.
Speaker 3:That sounds like a neighborhood.
Speaker 2:Listen, how about? You saw me in the wild walking the other day. That picture was so bad.
Speaker 1:Dude, you were power walking with Winnie Listen.
Speaker 2:I had such a headache.
Speaker 4:I was like I have got to get some caffeine. Tell them what you did to me yesterday when you needed to wake up. Okay, I looked the most disheveled I possibly. What are you doing? I'm just making sure you're not blowing the mic out.
Speaker 3:Oh gosh, the next door neighbor was getting new windows and she hit the camera. Stop hitting the camera.
Speaker 4:Okay, you act like I am doing this.
Speaker 3:Sorry, I don't normally sit like this. How about pull up a chair? No, I'm leaving soon.
Speaker 2:Okay, the next door neighbor was getting new windows yesterday and there were all these probably 19 to 21-year-old boys putting new windows. They were taking the windows out and helping. It was a crew of probably 30 dudes out there.
Speaker 4:And I was in my pjs, I texted her and I was like hey, can you bring this cup out to me?
Speaker 2:I left it on the island, I need you to bring it out. And they were literally facing our garage, like when I came out. They're like they literally went.
Speaker 4:I was like oh, she was dying.
Speaker 3:It was hilarious don't bang your elbow down how.
Speaker 2:How much?
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh Scaldilocks over here. No kidding, I'm in the producer chair, he's producing, he's taking it more seriously and you guys are.
Speaker 3:I mean, the audio is so messed up. Just sit still, both of you.
Speaker 2:Listen, I'm trying. I have a really huge, grown human on my lap.
Speaker 4:You're calling me fat, how much she.
Speaker 1:How much she has a tendency to do that.
Speaker 3:She calls Drew fat to his face. I do.
Speaker 4:On air. Never you literally tell me that you do.
Speaker 1:Never. I call Drew fat today I really definitely do.
Speaker 2:I have said that. They say that Amazing. I have never. I'm going to go back through.
Speaker 1:Sadie.
Speaker 2:Claire.
Speaker 3:She walks around.
Speaker 4:She's out of you Fat.
Speaker 1:Drew's coming over. Br Brace yourselves.
Speaker 2:Go down and put some Ports in the floor.
Speaker 3:Glue everything down, just fit.
Speaker 4:Okay, sorry, I thought you said that you did, but you said that they say that.
Speaker 1:How much more Do you like Sadie Claire Than Hutch Like?
Speaker 2:there's a lot, isn't it? No, I love them both the same.
Speaker 1:Different, but the same. That's not true.
Speaker 4:I watch Gilmore Girls With you way more than he does. Yeah, that's what I thought Since she's here.
Speaker 2:She's my favorite.
Speaker 1:I've never heard you guys mock Sadie Claire, but I have heard you mock Hutch. I'm just un-mockable. I'm just so there it is.
Speaker 4:There it is. You heard it here first, folks. Well, he can be a he's all right. So okay, we're gonna um. I'll let it all cut all that. We're gonna circle back we're not she her
Speaker 3:first name, the first name we picked for her was claire. Before we picked hope or sadie, it was whatever it was going to be. It was going to be something slash, claire yes um, like a hyphenated name. Well, because, saint Clair was we both.
Speaker 2:We really liked St Clair. We were really into St Clair and St Francis at the time. I mean it was we're not now, we're totally over it. Just kidding, sorry.
Speaker 3:I mean, if her name was, you could have been Francis. If her name was Deb Karen, it would be Deb Clair.
Speaker 1:No matter what Clair was going to be in there.
Speaker 2:And we both wanted Hope.
Speaker 1:So is it Sadie Claire Hope? No, it's Hope.
Speaker 2:Sadie Claire. Her first name is Hope Got to make it real confusing.
Speaker 1:The. Hope is silent. Do you ever get tired of correcting people and being like it's like Hope and you're like well, actually it's Sadie Claire. That never happened.
Speaker 4:Unless it's like the dentist or something that my name has to be Hope, then it's not really.
Speaker 1:Hope.
Speaker 4:You're like Hope she doesn't go to school, so oh good, you just avoided that altogether.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it's not like they're role-calling.
Speaker 3:Hope I probably wouldn't even answer that she had a major crush on her first dentist, her first orthodontist, Dr Tron. Dr Tron, and he knows, said Hope oh he said Sadie, oh, he did.
Speaker 2:He said Sadie, hi Sadie.
Speaker 3:For when she was 16, we had a little video compilation of people wishing her a happy birthday, and Dr Trong was on there.
Speaker 2:He contacted Dr Trong.
Speaker 3:That's hilarious. He was glad to do it. It was hilarious. He also is she about?
Speaker 2:fell out when he showed up on the show. Is he?
Speaker 3:hot, he is hot.
Speaker 2:He's a cutie pie.
Speaker 3:I don't remember him how old is he.
Speaker 2:I feel like he's not as cute as he was, he's not Thor. Rebecca Ferguson. This is the hot scale. That's whatever we want it to be Today. It's a hot scale.
Speaker 3:Who's your 100% hot?
Speaker 4:Louis.
Speaker 1:Partridge.
Speaker 4:Where's he from? He's from. Did you see Enola Holmes With, like Millie Bobby Brown, that movie? It's on Netflix. Quit moving.
Speaker 2:I'm going to show you a picture.
Speaker 3:Louis Partridge.
Speaker 2:He's pretty.
Speaker 3:That's his name.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Oh, I thought that was a character name. Who's?
Speaker 2:he dating in real life Olivia Rodrigo, I know Lame, okay so hey, this would be fun Listeners of the podcast back to you. That's a good one.
Speaker 3:Send us in who is? Yeah, he's got Hutch's hair.
Speaker 4:Hutch's dreams.
Speaker 3:Men and women.
Speaker 4:Cutie pie. Sorry, he's cute.
Speaker 3:Men and.
Speaker 4:You brought me here. That's your fault.
Speaker 3:Here's what I want for you listeners to do. Let's hear it Comment you brought me here. Here's what I want for you listeners to do. Let's hear it, Comment, email, text, Instagram us who your hottest people are and we can put our listeners' hot people. I love that idea.
Speaker 1:It blows my mind who people think are attractive.
Speaker 2:It really is weird.
Speaker 1:Especially in men, though, because I don't think I've got a good sense Because I'll see a guy and be like, oh, that's an attractive guy. But then sometimes I'll hear like women think a certain guy is super attractive and be like really, I know right, it would be Denzel, for sure.
Speaker 2:Oh, denzel's pretty. I mean, my crush I mean we talked about this before was David Letterman. Oh gosh, yeah, see, that's a great. Not warm, or even, honestly, rfk would not be. I would not put. Have you seen him doing pull-ups? He purdy.
Speaker 3:Jennifer is weird, that's weird.
Speaker 2:No, he's hot.
Speaker 3:It's like me going.
Speaker 2:I don't know. I mean, the thing is he's 70, but I'm okay with it.
Speaker 1:He doesn't act or look 70.
Speaker 2:He looks amazing, are you kidding?
Speaker 4:Voice though you put thor on there.
Speaker 3:Well, the actor that plays thor I couldn't remember his name chris hemsworth so thor's not a real person.
Speaker 4:I don't know if you know that or not. Well, it says thor right there, so I just read it do you think the merman guy is?
Speaker 3:I don't know not what's his name? J Jason.
Speaker 1:Momoa who Aquaman.
Speaker 2:Aquaman no, he's gross.
Speaker 1:He's too old for you, though, right, he's too big, oh too big.
Speaker 3:Yes, very much, you know women, girls, like that cocaine body.
Speaker 4:They really do the skinny, you know, no, but he's not. It's not skinny, but he's just like crazy yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, like my girls went through a big. What's his name? I call him Bob Pat Robert Pattinson.
Speaker 2:Yeah, bob.
Speaker 4:Pat Bob Pat, I don't remember what he looks like. No, I know what you mean.
Speaker 1:They went through that phase and really liked him, the guy from Twilight, no.
Speaker 2:All the guys I dated in high school were scrawny, scrawny, scrawny. It's seriously.
Speaker 3:The crack body is what the yeah, it seems like what women go after, like why do we do that?
Speaker 2:yeah, like rock star body, like mick jagger body, yeah no, but the body okay, can we be done with this, which is not uncomfortable, it's not fine yeah, hey, can I get that?
Speaker 1:pop-tart. How's that pop-tart coming? No, did you show them your rat?
Speaker 3:No, oh we were going to show him this last week. He's still here from last week. This is a.
Speaker 2:This was a birthday gift. Was it a Christmas gift?
Speaker 1:I don't know what to do with that.
Speaker 2:I don't know what to do with it either. Honestly, what I love?
Speaker 3:is the same woman that gave me my Mini Cooper Like this. What I love is the same woman that gave me my Mini Cooper Like this is how much more she loves me than Jennifer. God she gave me this Someone gave you a. Mini Cooper.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, you haven't read my book Geez favorite and favorite, If you read the book.
Speaker 3:I'm living the book. Yeah, you are.
Speaker 1:Tomorrow you're going to live the book. Yeah, I can't wait. I'm so excited for that meeting Okay for that meeting. Okay, we're going to change the world.
Speaker 2:We are not doing your gospel. Yeah, even a little bit, I mean how far are we?
Speaker 3:You're the producer? No, but I don't have the clock 43 minutes.
Speaker 1:That says oh Drew.
Speaker 3:We got about 10 more minutes.
Speaker 1:What are the important things?
Speaker 3:you want to share with people About God? No, it doesn't have to be.
Speaker 2:The gospel, according Mine, wasn't about God. I just have more questions than answers.
Speaker 3:You don't think about God at all, though yes, I think about God. You think about politics.
Speaker 2:I think about God, and my thing wasn't even about politics, it was about health. It was about mental, spiritual and physical health, I think.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 3:Let me finish.
Speaker 1:Please Let me finish. She's back with a Pop tart thank you what a servant's heart.
Speaker 2:Oh yes, I feel like cinderella. That's her. I'll be like sadie. Can you I don't know go get me a pop tart?
Speaker 3:I feel like cinderella you know what she'll do. We'll say can you do this? She'll go, can you?
Speaker 1:all the time when.
Speaker 2:Here's the thing just a second ago, when I asked you to go get him a pop tart, can you? Or when, I know, when I ask you to google something, can't you?
Speaker 3:no, that's why I'm asking you that's leadership they're all being used is this what happens when you're in charge of stuff.
Speaker 1:It's clearly not in charge.
Speaker 2:Quit touching that. Okay, all right, go away.
Speaker 1:Now we got Winnie harassing us. We have issues.
Speaker 2:Your gospel is coming apart at the seams.
Speaker 1:We're not shoveled. That's pretty, we are disheveled.
Speaker 3:We are not shoveled at all. All right let's have it.
Speaker 1:About what, just in general.
Speaker 3:Come on, you said, you know what I think.
Speaker 1:Okay, let's turn the corner back towards deep conversation. Oh, yes, yes, Sorry, I derailed I think this has got to be my gospel about God Is that what it is?
Speaker 3:No.
Speaker 1:The good news, mm-hmm. Whatever you want to say, I think here's what I wish I wish more people would be free to embrace and be honest about their brokenness, because I think there's a lot of people. I said I didn't want to talk about the church, but I'm just going to say this I think there's a lot of people that find themselves in that older brother of the prodigal son story, but they, they think they're a better.
Speaker 1:I know I thought I was a better version of it because I'm going to be so welcoming to all the prodigals coming home and I'm going to help, you know, throw the party for them, all those things but I just think I'm seeing this a lot mike. Some closer circles is that I think the lack of awareness around brokenness is definitely keeping us from experiencing the better parts and sides of God that I didn't know existed before the kindness, the generosity, the grace, the mercy, all those things that I felt like I was earning because I was crushing it at the top of my game, earning because I was crushing it at the top of my game. When I lost all that, I learned it was really a new god. I learned a whole new.
Speaker 1:I was like, even reading the bible, things were like whoa, reading the same thing, I was like that's was, he's talking about me right there, like I'm the one that was in the pit, I'm the broken one, I'm the one that didn't deserve grace, I'm the one. So I think I have like this desire to see people in our culture just really embrace like that side, like like this I hate the like it's okay to be a not be okay line, but I just think there's just a lot of people going around that are missing out on the fullness of what God has to offer, because our pride keeps us from allowing ourselves to be broken and being honest, Do you think it's pride, or could it be also fear of going there?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Which maybe that's pride down, way down underneath, but I don't know.
Speaker 1:For a lot of people. There's a lot to lose. Being honest, I mean the fear of you know.
Speaker 2:Plus, it's just fear of it hurting too much.
Speaker 1:Not to bring it back, but that's why I love what you guys are doing. I think spiritual direction for me I'll speak for myself is one of the best ways to get in touch with how you're really feeling honesty about you know, and unfortunately I don't see that happening in a lot of churches. So that's why we need spiritual directors and therapists and people that are walking us through what our Catholic brothers and sisters call the dark night of the soul. We all hit it. Hopefully we all hit it at some point, because it's really the only path to the second act or third act is through some sort of pain of some sort, where it could be losing a career or losing you know whatever losing, losing something and then you realize, oh, wait, a minute, I wasn't me holding it all together anyway, I just thought I was um but, well, you know that.
Speaker 3:I don't know that you was that good?
Speaker 1:it was great.
Speaker 2:This is just just made it up commentary I don't know that you was that good that was great, this is just just made it up commentary.
Speaker 3:I don't know that you can do the work that you're doing now, that I'm doing now, the work of whatever third act of shepherding which you do, do that even if it's not official. You can't do it if you haven't been in the dark night. You know, you have to be able to go. Look, I've been in that cave.
Speaker 2:Carve my name on that rock like is that what you're doing at your place that you went to? I mean, what do you? You go out there once a month, but are you, are you coaching people like what's the?
Speaker 1:no, I just, I just I'm holding space for people to so you're just there to kind of help facilitate that. Yeah, so it's kind of so. I'm the alumni director for.
Speaker 2:Valiant, oh, okay.
Speaker 1:So, like anybody who's been through the program, after they've done their 90 days or 120 days, some people stay there for a long time. Then they kind of graduate into our alumni program, which is our ongoing nurturing of working the 12 steps and just making sure it's almost like a companionship program where people can stay connected so that they're not just like, hey, you just went through 90 days of treatment, now you're going to go back to the world and figure it out.
Speaker 1:And then you show up and you're just like you're like a toddler learning to walk again.
Speaker 1:Cause all of a sudden, you don't even know how to small talk anymore, who you just been spending 30 hours a week of therapy digging up your deepest, darkest, whatever talk about your schemas and your internal family system, all this stuff, and now you've got to go back to life and what I love about Valiant is we actually help with that. The second half of the program is what they call IOP, which is intensive outpatient. You actually go live in a house with roommates and you go get a job.
Speaker 2:Actually, I did fencing, I don't know if I told you that before.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I did Not like sword fighting, but like putting fences together.
Speaker 2:It could have been either with that action, well, with me, I mean people it's more believable that I was sword fighting than putting fences together.
Speaker 1:But it was great. I had to learn how to like function again in society and kind of show up different but the alumni. So a lot of what I'm doing now is just um holding space for these guys to show up every week in process. Hey, here's what we're feeling this week, um, and just check in like it's not, I'm not doing a whole lot of, I'm not certified qualified whatever to do spiritual direction and stuff like you are, but you're doing it whether you feel certified or not, I mean you're qualified, I mean all you're doing is inviting people you know to to a more mature understanding.
Speaker 1:Well, and I kind of do that, when my marketing company too. Like I was sitting down with a client this week and he was struggling knowing how to share, how to market his company and I just said, hey, let's put that aside for a second. Like, tell me what brings you life, Like what why do?
Speaker 1:you do what you do, why are you into this? And and he just started opening up about how he got into it and how, why he loves it, what he wants for people and all this stuff is really beautiful and I was like there you go. There was your marketing message. Now let me help you tell that story. That's cool and he was like, oh, wait a minute, I could do that, like it was awesome, it was beautiful. So that's kind of my subversive. That's what I love about marketing.
Speaker 2:That's so cool Helping people tell their stories.
Speaker 1:How's that Pop-Tart?
Speaker 2:Do you want some?
Speaker 3:No, you can have the rest. No, I'm on a thing. I can tell that my, are you getting shaky? Yeah, I was kind of getting shaky.
Speaker 2:Getting a blood sugar situation. You had a lot of caffeine today.
Speaker 3:And just caffeine.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no food, I don't really want to do this again. I like being just the guy that throws in random sideways comments.
Speaker 2:No, but this is so good though I mean listen, you went grandma, just for a second there.
Speaker 3:What did I do? This is so good, but Sadie came, she took time away from you. She hijacked you.
Speaker 2:She hijacked it. So there you go.
Speaker 3:You didn't have to do it the whole time, but in Enneagram 7 they don't mind being hijacked.
Speaker 1:Love this favorite part of the episode. Yeah, it was my favorite part. Forgot what we were doing there for a minute. I do really enjoy hosting and asking questions.
Speaker 2:I do too. I love it. That's my favorite. I would much rather I feel pressure when.
Speaker 3:I've got to bring something of value.
Speaker 2:I like being asked questions.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, well you shot down my first gospel.
Speaker 2:I was going to ask.
Speaker 1:It's not supposed to be about us. I think there's people that are listening to this that want to hear more of y'all's story.
Speaker 2:Well, maybe we'll do that next time We'll talk about you can interview us.
Speaker 3:I think we should do just. I'm kind of inspired by what you talked about with, like the whole. You know pride and going through the dark night and all that Because you brought up the prodigal son and so you know there's no way he could have been the prodigal son without being in the pit.
Speaker 4:Whatever it was, I had to go through that, yeah.
Speaker 3:And then he comes back and you have this weird conversation between the older brother it's just the old brother going after all I've done for you, which draws the dad into going after all I've done for you. Meanwhile, that pulls him apart and the prodigal's like Hutch Clare, hutch Clare.
Speaker 2:What's up, dude Hutch man, what you doing.
Speaker 1:I'm trying to hire Hutch. We had a great conversation the other day and I haven't called him back yet. Well, that's on me.
Speaker 3:There you go. Please continue. No, it's For another podcast. Let's roll. Why don't you wrap it up? Wow, why don't you give us A closing thought?
Speaker 2:This was a disaster, of a podcast Kind of. I feel like we need To redo your gospel. I feel like it got trampled on. No people are gonna love it. First of all, they're gonna text us.
Speaker 1:We went from Spiritual stuff Brokenness To we covered a lot of ground, people who we think are hot. We covered a lot of ground in this. Maybe gave people some whiplash, yeah there's a lot of whiplash happening.
Speaker 2:I had fun.
Speaker 1:Thank you for inviting me into this chair. I felt very powerful sitting over here. You should.
Speaker 2:I'm grateful to move back to my home base next time you need us sitting on your shoulders again.
Speaker 1:Exactly, it's good and evil, depending on the day.
Speaker 2:That's right.
Speaker 3:Which one of those behind me is good and which one is evil.
Speaker 2:Come on, look how dark your beard was in that picture.
Speaker 1:Well, I think she just answered it.
Speaker 3:I think the question story wrote itself oh, my gosh, I'm going to be able to, I, I'm gonna be able to, I'm gonna be able to rewind this episode here, yeah, and hear that compliment over and over again. We should make. I'll make that your ringtone can you make a ringtone so?
Speaker 1:when she calls it's that compliment?
Speaker 2:yeah, it should be when anyone calls, when anyone calls just when your phone goes on rings.
Speaker 3:It's man. You look hot today.
Speaker 1:I don't normally say this, but yeah All right.
Speaker 3:Isn't it a bummer, though, that that's what had to precede it. I don't normally say this.
Speaker 2:I know I'm explaining that I'm not good at that. I mean to be. I think it, I just don't.
Speaker 3:always it doesn't make its way out of my mouth, but some of the other stuff that you think come out and they shouldn't come out, wow, those are easier. You know I can end this episode with some of this.
Speaker 2:Sadie tried to do that and we stopped it. Please don't. All right, let's go.
Speaker 1:Let's shut it down, All right goodbye everybody, Wait, wait, before you hit it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if you need spiritual direction, reach out. Yes, jeremy's the guy if you need to get shocked with electro waves. If you need frequencies, I'm your girl. If you need a book.
Speaker 1:Marketing, marketing, hit me up. Yes, marketing. We're terrible at self-promotion music production hutch, hutch a pop tart sadie if you need someone to do nothing but delegate responsibilities back to you say it your girl. Goodbye, everybody.