The Gospel According to Jeromy
Welcome to "The Gospel According to Jeromy" podcast, where faith, humor, and heartfelt stories collide in a lively conversation about life, love, and everything in between. Join your host Jeromy Deibler, along with co-hosts Jennifer Deibler and Drew Powell, as they share the Dieblers journey from being the acclaimed Christian band FFH to their current path in spiritual direction.
In this engaging and candid podcast, Jeromy, Jennifer, and Drew offer a unique blend of perspectives on spirituality, mental health, emotional well-being, and personal growth. Drawing from their extensive experiences on the road and life's ups and downs, they explore the joys and challenges of faith, all while sprinkling in some humor along the way.
Get ready for spirited debates, deep dives into controversial thoughts, and heartwarming memories as they invite you into their world of faith, questions, and spiritual exploration. Whether you're a longtime believer, a spiritual seeker, or simply someone looking for meaningful conversations, "The Gospel According to Jeromy" podcast has something for everyone.
Tune in to join the conversation, laugh, learn, and be inspired as Jeromy, Jennifer, and Drew navigate the twists and turns of life's spiritual journey. It's a podcast that's as diverse as their experiences and as authentic as their hearts. Subscribe today and embark on a captivating exploration of faith, laughter, and the adventure of the human spirit.
The Gospel According to Jeromy
We’re Back, Venting
After a refreshing summer hiatus, we're back in the studio catching up on life's twists and turns – and there have been plenty! From Jennifer's heartbreaking chicken massacre (including a heroic attempt to save one with super glue) to exciting Broadway adventures in New York, we've packed this episode with the unfiltered conversations you've missed.
The heart of our discussion turns to the fascinating science of emotional venting. Did you know that properly expressing negative experiences can prevent trauma from becoming lodged in your body? Or that sharing positive moments makes them more neurologically real? We explore how to vent effectively by staying above the "plane of shame" and the crucial distinction between complaints and critiques. These aren't just theoretical concepts – they're practical tools for healthier relationships and emotional processing.
Along the way, we dive into surprisingly deep territory about mortality, relationships, and the vulnerability of aging. There's something profoundly comforting about three friends discussing everything from end-of-life preferences to embarrassing body issues with equal parts humor and honesty. It's the kind of conversation that reminds you you're not alone in your thoughts, fears, or experiences.
As we contemplate rebranding our podcast, we're asking for your help! After 48 episodes, we're ready for a name that better captures what this show has evolved into – three friends with no filter, exploring life's complexities with humor and heart. Send us your suggestions through Instagram, and join us weekly as we launch into this next chapter together.
did you really? And his daughter's broken. Are we going there? We're going.
Speaker 3:His daughter's car's broken down oh so he's got a, but this is more important to me than that absolutely more than your children.
Speaker 2:Absolutely are you.
Speaker 3:We just got to get a time is more important to me than that. Absolutely More than your children, absolutely Are you. We just got to get a time on the schedule, yep.
Speaker 1:I hear. All right, everybody, Maybe for the last time. Welcome to the Gospel According to Jambor.
Speaker 3:I want to explain all this First to last. You never know with us If you're.
Speaker 1:Hey, honey, you can see your stomach, hey.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 1:You're welcome If you're tuning in for the first time. Welcome, if you're one of the people that have been faithful listeners, welcome back to this will be season three. I think we're on episode 49, actually.
Speaker 3:Is that what we're doing? Are we starting a new season?
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, because we did the season one was-.
Speaker 2:Were they seasons.
Speaker 1:They were because we took a break. Take a break.
Speaker 3:I'm calling it. That's what happens when we fall off we're just like oh, this season.
Speaker 1:The reason? I'll explain the reason that this might be the last episode of the gospel, according to jeremy because, okay, okay, plot twist yeah, we're gonna go a little you think that we would have these conversations, since we're married no, well, jennifer, and I don't talk about this podcast at all and if you're just tuning in, just letting you know that you know as much about the three of us together as we do, because we never see each other outside of this we don't even talk outside of the podcast.
Speaker 2:Not much um jennifer and jeremy are married.
Speaker 1:Drew is also married, but not to us it's not a throuple we have. We took the summer off and, uh, we're back together and we're going to catch up a little bit, do a little recap, but just to bring you up to also, you guys, this is what. You've been eerily quiet through the intro, which I love.
Speaker 3:Do you like it? You want to have your intro.
Speaker 1:Well, normally you guys from the get-go are interrupting, it's because you're drinking drinks.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm going to be crunching Sonic Ice for this episode.
Speaker 1:So we also got a new sponsor.
Speaker 2:New sponsor.
Speaker 1:Amplify Marketing.
Speaker 3:I brought gifts today to try to you did Well. I was bracing for whatever shame I was going to get from it being my fault.
Speaker 1:It usually is what's your fault we haven't recorded. Well, I mean, this summer was crazy and we're going to do a summer recap.
Speaker 3:And you threw me under the bus on social media, so I figured this was going to. But yeah, I brought hats for you guys. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2:They're very cool.
Speaker 3:Yeah, hats for my company.
Speaker 2:I'm very excited You've got stuff going on. You're a very busy man. You travel more than we did when we were 200 days on the road.
Speaker 1:You've got more stuff going on than we do. Um, so uh drew and I uh have known each other for a while and the podcast was his idea and he kind of was doing it as a favor for me.
Speaker 3:This is back end of 2023, 2024 and uh, so no, I don't remember, I just remember you, I thought you had a lot of great stuff. I was like man, we should have these conversations because, as a spiritual director and everything else, I'm like you've got a lot of good stuff to say. So let's do this podcast and get the word out about the work you do.
Speaker 1:Well, and that was my understanding also of what it was going to be like yeah, but then it took a much better turn.
Speaker 1:First of all it was going to be me and a co-host and I had a couple people in mind. And then the one time, the one strategy meeting you and I had at the frothy monkey in franklin, I said, you know, maybe jennifer should come on because you know people might have some interest in that, and I'll still kind of direct it and bring the ideas. And then you I said I actually I think you should be on with us because you've got you weren't gonna be on it.
Speaker 3:No, you've got a ton of I'm doing this podcast without us now, though, oh my gosh what imagine it without us?
Speaker 1:oh well, that's what I want to talk about today.
Speaker 1:So we're gonna now the gospel according to we're gonna do a rebrand just kidding we are we're gonna do the rebrand with the listeners, so um interesting you know I got a ton of pushback at the early on about calling this a gospel according to jeremy. But it was, you know it was going to be my stuff. But then you two sort of hijacked it with the way. Yeah, that you sort of. You know you put it in a we made it better you put it in a tiny toilet early.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the tiny toilet Right Back at your house. Nice callback.
Speaker 1:Back at your place, because you've got that little baby toilet, a little baby toilet.
Speaker 2:You do have a toddler toilet.
Speaker 1:And I think one only I try not to poop at other people's houses. Ever Did you poop on that toilet? I think I might have sat on it and was like it's small, why did you sit on it? Well, I think I had to go.
Speaker 2:You pooped at Drew's house.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 3:I try not to Plus that bathroom's like in the, you're basically pooping in the kitchen.
Speaker 1:You were, and so Like, right there by all this I don't know about pooping on it, you did oh, I didn't go but I sat down and I was like I you fell a long way well, and it's. The hole is so small did you think you'd miss?
Speaker 3:well, it's like a coffee can and I don't want to have to, and you don't smell anything until you get up oh, you seal it off and then you're like, oh my, gosh, this doesn't actually smell, and then you stand up, you're like my god. Yeah, see, I, I don't.
Speaker 1:I try to not do that in other people's anywhere, but here, and you know, hutch, our son is the same. He will hold it and yeah, for days, until he get home anyways, so unless you're out of buckies. We moved out of drew's house because jamie didn't like us, and now we're in our studio, which is a studio a lot more cluttered.
Speaker 2:Is that what we're calling it? Well?
Speaker 3:hutch. So over the summer, if you're watching, please just look at my backdrop right now over the summer we're able to get jennifer a car finally and you're a car.
Speaker 2:What'd you get? A discovery, dang.
Speaker 3:So what's it like to have money?
Speaker 2:I am balling you're rich okay discovery it rubs my back.
Speaker 3:Are you serious? Mm-hmm, all right.
Speaker 2:It actually does. It has back massager.
Speaker 3:Good for you.
Speaker 2:I'm happy for you, thank you, I mean it's not new.
Speaker 3:Is that from the money you make on the podcast goes to that car?
Speaker 2:Yes, yes.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, it's seven years old, but it's great. I love it, a nice car and we'll put it in the garage. So I actually hired people to bring all the crap we have from the garage into here. Oh, that's what's going on.
Speaker 2:That's what's going on.
Speaker 1:Because Hutch wasn't here, I was able to take the guest beds.
Speaker 2:And they weren't in here, so it wasn't so bad.
Speaker 1:No, it wasn't bad at all, but now Hutch is back.
Speaker 2:Hutch had sublet an apartment and it was. It was temporary.
Speaker 3:Is that Abe Lincoln smoking a cigarette?
Speaker 2:no, he's, he's eating a lollipop he's got a lollipop, yeah. So anyways, right now it is so Hutch is back and his crap is back so we had to clean out his room for a couple weeks. He moved out for a few months because he was subletting an apartment but you know do.
Speaker 3:Do you think we could get Hutch back on, or is he too much of a big deal now?
Speaker 2:Well, he's in London for two weeks, but if you keep your talking down a little bit.
Speaker 1:There won't be any of that. Yeah, because no one will see it Right? So it's just so. If you could just produce.
Speaker 2:Well, this isn't very great either, because, I'm so good at that.
Speaker 1:We've got.
Speaker 3:If you just produce this, how's those show notes coming?
Speaker 1:So anyway, listeners, before we go any farther, help us rename this mess. Okay, so we're going to.
Speaker 2:Are you going to Do? You have options.
Speaker 1:No no, we're 48 episodes in.
Speaker 3:I want people to just go, okay this is what this is, so we're going to like relaunch it with a new brand. Well, I mean you're the marketing.
Speaker 2:We need you to do that.
Speaker 1:Okay, and we don't pay you anything, right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so can you in your spare time do that.
Speaker 3:You pay me in eggs. Do you have any eggs, by the way?
Speaker 2:I only have two chickens left, but yes, I have some eggs.
Speaker 1:There was a massacre, we had a lot of death, a lot of. It's not funny, jennifer sewed one of our chickens back together with super glue. Literally, you did.
Speaker 2:Well, she was attacked.
Speaker 3:Yes, what attacking on cats?
Speaker 2:Foxes and I soaked her in Epsom salts because she had a little broken leg and it got better.
Speaker 1:Well, she was. I mean, they had torn her feathers off. Oh, she was a mess. That day was rough. One of them died in her arms.
Speaker 2:I glued her little back did you cry? Uh, I cried over my favorite chicken. I saw her get carried away by the fox and it.
Speaker 1:It bothered me yeah, and then we just had one die of heat stroke, beheaded on outside the fence, like all I found was a body and no head. One died in her arms and then trying to laugh. We probably have people that love animals on this podcast, but beheaded, I didn't show we, we didn't really know what had happened, and I mean they scattered, I mean we found one on the next block yeah, still alive.
Speaker 3:So do you think there's like a crime of passion? It sounds like they were tortured well, I think that well, I think that they had been scoped.
Speaker 2:Different animals do different things to them, so raccoons will rip their heads off and leave the body.
Speaker 1:Dang Hawks will take the whole thing.
Speaker 2:Hawks do I mean? So different ones will do different things?
Speaker 3:Yeah, they don't leave a trace, but I've seen the fox a few times.
Speaker 2:I've actually seen him with my own eyes, that's traumatizing to watch it this particular day.
Speaker 1:It was a genocide she.
Speaker 2:But just now we were gone and out of town and my sister was keeping the chickens and one of them she came to let them out and one was dead in the nesting box. So I think she was in there trying to lay an egg and died of heat. But the day that we lost most of them, it's kind of on you, chanel.
Speaker 3:West.
Speaker 2:Coast, that the day that we lost most of them.
Speaker 3:It's kind of on you, chanel West Coast. That's a little bit your fault, not really.
Speaker 2:You should have provided a better environment like a fan or something in there. Well, it's a coop.
Speaker 3:What do you do?
Speaker 1:Oh, we had a great environment.
Speaker 2:She's very loved this was a calculated.
Speaker 1:This was seriously.
Speaker 2:This was the Gazans.
Speaker 1:I'm talking about Chanel dying. It was Chanel Gazans in there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, really they came in. This was like the music festival.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:That's probably not a very good thing to compare it to.
Speaker 1:Well, I don't know what our Jewish audience is like. Well, either way, we definitely don't have a high Palestinian.
Speaker 3:Either way probably not a good. We've offended at least five people groups in the last three minutes, but what was?
Speaker 1:interesting is so one of them died in her arms.
Speaker 2:One of them died in her arms. One of them was beheaded.
Speaker 1:One of them was carried off.
Speaker 2:It's like six. And then Divorced, beheaded, survived.
Speaker 3:We just watched that, by the way, that movie you're talking about. Hey, can I stay with this story real quick.
Speaker 2:Oh sorry, Go ahead.
Speaker 1:So there was one that she loved and it was really badly injured, oh, martha. So we called John Mace because his son's a vet, and we said hey, we got this chicken that is shredded, but she's still alive. She's got a broken leg, a toe has been bent off.
Speaker 2:You should have seen it.
Speaker 1:There's three little toes and this middle one was like so, he had to pop it back into place, so we popped that back into place. But it kept going, she soaked it and she's just like I'm going to try to super glue her and see what happens.
Speaker 2:And she ended up super gluing her sweatshirt to the chicken. I super glued her back, but I was leaning over while, I did it and when I went to. Am I clipping?
Speaker 3:No, you're fine.
Speaker 2:When I went to put her down my shirt went with it and I was like oh crap. So, I had to cut a hole in my sweatshirt, so for a while she ran around with my little piece of my sweatshirt stuck to her. But she, she actually came. She lived for a long time. Oh yeah, she started making eggs again and yeah, that's a win. Yeah, she was great, but then she did get killed by the fox eventually.
Speaker 1:So I don't know what got us on this, but we are I wanted eggs, whatever, yeah we pay you in eggs, whatever this is. I mean, I can come up with options if you want, but I think it'd be better just to have our audience choose. Just start sending us ideas, like they know what this is I mean. If it's just meaninglessness, we'll call it that um, we have a.
Speaker 3:This is a statement of gratitude. We've got a very loyal audience that we just disappear for who knows how long and when we come back.
Speaker 1:Everyone's excited to hear from us and yeah, I love them and when we don't do this, I disappear from instagram because I only interact about this. So I did get on and say we're coming back and, man, the response was like you'd have thought it was water in the desert. Do you think our audience?
Speaker 3:should choose our rhythm.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, I like.
Speaker 1:Thursday. I think we release on Thursdays.
Speaker 2:We can't get you to be here. What about?
Speaker 3:weekly. Do we still want to go weekly? Yeah, yeah, we'll go weekly.
Speaker 2:I mean we'd like to Weekly until we can't.
Speaker 3:If some people could stay in town. We gotta just put a time on the calendar where it stays the same every week. Why don't you?
Speaker 1:come over, like if we're gonna release Thursdays, why don't you come over Wednesday nights and sleep in that bed?
Speaker 2:There you go.
Speaker 1:We'll wake up first thing in the morning.
Speaker 2:Jamie, would she probably actually would.
Speaker 3:And record live. You're probably smart, aren't you?
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, I'll come in and wake you up.
Speaker 3:Because you're seven and I know I'm gonna need to get you up. I wake up at 5 30 every morning. Okay, well, good, pop right up ready to go.
Speaker 1:We can get the. We can do the first four hours without her you can't wait.
Speaker 3:Time out, time out I was the one that wanted to record this at 9 am and that was too early I said I could make it happen actually he defended you before you said it.
Speaker 2:He said it's gonna be too early no, I know, but I said I could do this, I can make it happen. I got up at 7.30 this morning and walked.
Speaker 3:I do like the idea of setting time and then recording and I'm being hypocritical as I have to leave after one episode today, but recording a couple at a time.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Oh, and the audience. How long Should we go weekly? Do they want an episode?
Speaker 2:every week. We were weekly.
Speaker 3:Until we weren't.
Speaker 2:We were weekly until we disappeared completely, right.
Speaker 3:Hot or cold.
Speaker 1:I mean I had a couple ideas today. No, luke the length of the episode.
Speaker 3:Should it be 30 minutes? Should it be an hour? Yeah, we'll ask that commit.
Speaker 1:There's a new generational term people are using, called Xennials, which is a gen. You know, we're gen.
Speaker 2:X. What are you? You're a millennial. We're gen.
Speaker 1:X and you're a millennial-ish.
Speaker 3:I'm the one that's. There's a word for us X-Xennial, or something like that Xennials, xennials, it's like 82.
Speaker 1:I'm in that bracket and the only qualifier is you have to have gotten used to life analog and then it transitioned to digital and I think did you have like phones? Right, you had like a phone.
Speaker 3:My first phone was after we were married and I was oh, wow.
Speaker 1:So you grew up with a phone on the wall and cassettes.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Okay. So you are as any you know. It's hilarious. My kids were just describing this to me recently. There was a movement and they're acting like it's the first time anyone's ever thought about it. And it's called a home phone. It's a phone you put in the kitchen, like a cell phone that stays in the kitchen.
Speaker 3:Never heard of such and it rings that and I was like and I started laughing like what's so funny? I was like you just described my entire childhood. Yeah, like it blew their mind that like you could listen in from another line, another room, or it was really cool when I got my own line to my bedroom. That was like now my girlfriend could call me and I'm not worried about mom and dad listening in the kitchen.
Speaker 1:Well, the worst is, you're on the phone with a girl and your mom picks up and goes I need the phone.
Speaker 3:Yes, and you're like, oh gosh. Or you just hear your little brother breathing. You're like Daniel, I hear you Hang up the phone.
Speaker 2:Yeah, or they have to call and your parent answers yes Is so-and-so there.
Speaker 3:But I just thought it was so funny. They're pitching the idea of like a kitchen phone and I'm like that's all. We had you ring and then mom would go over there and she would be screaming, yelling at you and then answer the phone. So polite.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Like you, just see your personality change in a moment Yep.
Speaker 1:All right, so this will be the last week.
Speaker 2:Well, actually, what if people say no, we want to keep it the same. We'll give you two weeks. Oh yeah, what if they vote?
Speaker 1:to keep it this week, and next week this will be the gospel, according to Jeremy, and after that, because I do have a topic for next week, and then after that.
Speaker 2:We're halfway through this episode by the way, I know this is that that's stupid. What it's too short he's got to go.
Speaker 1:We can do one Again. It's Drew's freaking. I come back next week and we can do another one.
Speaker 3:We'll do two next week. How about that? Okay, all right, do one long, one today and two next week.
Speaker 1:We'll just do one today and we'll do two next week. Oh, I just got the side eye.
Speaker 2:I don't trust him things right now.
Speaker 1:You told me. You told me when you came in. I look at one of the things I look great. Well, one of the things I did this summer is I went, I shaved I, maybe that's what it is, and when your face looks skinny. When I shave, I lose what I mean. People go hey, you look like you lost weight and it's just having shaved when I shave, I gain weight because all of a sudden you see my four chins.
Speaker 3:I'm like god, because I can make beard, make my face whatever shape I want.
Speaker 2:Oh, it's magic.
Speaker 1:I noticed today because I ran home quick and-.
Speaker 2:Can you hear me chewing?
Speaker 1:Shaved and took a shower and I noticed when I was shaving I am brute. When I'm drying my hair I treat it so bad. I'm angry at it.
Speaker 2:Interesting.
Speaker 1:I've seen you dry your hair and you kind of stretch it out and you kind of you listen to a podcast and take your time with it.
Speaker 2:Oh, I don't listen to a podcast while I'm drying, but I'm like I mean, I was shaving my face, I'm going.
Speaker 1:why am I so angry at my and I had to. You know, I've started because I've got these weird gray hairs. I've started to shave my chest just because I got to get rid of these manscaped spindly wires. Well, yeah, they come out like yeah, they're different texture axle cables. Speaking of analog, I mean they're so thick I could probably, you know, I could fix stuff with them anyways, we could make um never mind.
Speaker 2:So yeah, so that.
Speaker 1:That's a new thing for me this summer.
Speaker 3:Oh, it's in Alright, I'm gonna do next Wednesday Right here, if you want.
Speaker 2:Yep, alright, okay. So, That'll work.
Speaker 1:So that that was new for me.
Speaker 3:This summer I do that to show people that it's not my fault. See what I did there.
Speaker 1:Jennifer's going scarves this summer.
Speaker 2:Well, which has been I. I've been doing scarves for I don't know. I've been doing scarves for the past year, but they're on the regular.
Speaker 3:now that feels like a winter thing you don't get a hot neck.
Speaker 2:Well, sometimes, but when I'm inside I don't.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:It is very hot right now.
Speaker 3:Oh, it is brutal around here.
Speaker 2:I don't like it, but you guys have been going to Well we were just in. New York for two weeks.
Speaker 3:I noticed that it was great.
Speaker 1:It was great. I think we're going to go on fall break.
Speaker 3:Hopefully you guys are there. Well, we won't talk if you are there, but it'd be nice to be in the city at the same time.
Speaker 1:We could do, we'll do our own location. That'd be fun Times Square that would be so fun.
Speaker 2:Whatever, our new name is on sale.
Speaker 1:You get a price line, we stay at Chain, we don't stay at the Westin.
Speaker 2:I don't trust a boutique hotel.
Speaker 3:Okay, that's probably what we'll do.
Speaker 2:Especially in New York. It's hit or miss man. We'll just get us a Hampton Inn in Times Square or something like that, yeah, hampton Inn, but I've stayed at the Hilton Times Square, which is really fun.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 2:It's nice.
Speaker 3:It's got a nice we kind of want to be in the mix this time you want to be Midtown. No, just in the excitement.
Speaker 2:That's what I mean. Yeah, Midtown.
Speaker 1:Is that Midtown. Oh, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2:Also. I mean the education. I saw more skin there. I'd want to live up on one of the sides of the like east side, west side of the park, or in the village. Oh my gosh, soho in the village. Those are my places but get this through.
Speaker 1:We went up because sadie had some workshops she was attending and also this is going to probably be her life, so she needs to be in the scene some. And so we did these workshops, or we were there with her. I wasn't going to go, but we didn some. And so we did these workshops, or we were there with her. I wasn't gonna go, but we didn't take a vacation. I was like I might go with you guys I mean didn't change the hotel, really right and hutch had four days off, and so he flew there on in on his tour.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and so we. It was, so I love it when my whole family is just yeah in a clump. I turn my phone off. Because off, because nobody needs. You know what I mean? Yeah, perfect, it was so fun, and so I didn't know about this. Jennifer and the girls told me that they hold each Broadway show holds some tickets for the day of. You just got to get there.
Speaker 2:Well, not every Broadway show, but a lot of them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they're called rush tickets. You got to.
Speaker 2:Google which ones do rush tickets?
Speaker 1:And they're 30 bucks a piece, which is a $200 discount If you get there and get in line.
Speaker 2:He would do this for us because he's an early riser. He would get up at five something and go get in line at the shows we wanted to see and get us rush tickets.
Speaker 3:How long do you have to wait?
Speaker 2:Till 10.
Speaker 1:Till 10.
Speaker 2:The box office opens at 10.
Speaker 1:And I wasn't the first one there. I mean, some kids sleep overnight on the street you got up at five and said line till 10.
Speaker 3:But the tickets are $200 a piece, see.
Speaker 1:so you can either go to one show with your family for like 800 bucks or we saw 11, 11 shows at five every morning Can you buy multiple tickets when you're there?
Speaker 2:You can buy two. You can buy two, so we would run and meet him at 10.
Speaker 1:That's wild. But I didn't always go Like some of the shows, like Stranger Things, just her and Sadie went.
Speaker 3:But we had so much fun. That's awesome.
Speaker 1:So anyways. So we found out that Hutch, he was playing with Seth Schleter and Toby Mack at the Beacon.
Speaker 2:Up on the Upper West Side the Saturday which and Toby Mac at the Beacon Up on the Upper West.
Speaker 1:Side the Saturday which is on Broadway the Saturday after we were going to come. So we just stayed.
Speaker 2:We were going to take the train to see mom. We were going to go home on Tuesday and come back. It was so expensive. Yeah that it wasn't that much different really.
Speaker 3:So they're opening for Toby right now. So we just they were, they did a couple.
Speaker 1:They love thing that they had them gotcha so the day before we're going to come home I I told sadie and jennifer I said look guys, there's one thing we can do. We could go down to the desk and beg. We could just beg for a cheaper rate. The three of us stand there, you guys bat your eyes at them. And we did it, and we they gave us a steep discount. They gave us all free breakfasts every day talking big breakfast so we would go like a real deal, big breakfast, wow.
Speaker 3:So we would go Like a real deal breakfast.
Speaker 2:The breakfast was open until 11. So we would go at 1030, 1045 and just cram ourselves full of food we were like.
Speaker 1:this is our meal for the day. This is it.
Speaker 2:And then we would get a snacky dinner.
Speaker 1:Like a pretzel.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Dang. So we were like Y'all got it figured, we are cheap.
Speaker 1:I know Well, Jennifer loves to save some money.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I wouldn't say I'm cheap. You like to beat the system? I'm a bargain hunter. Yes, I love a bargain.
Speaker 1:Well, when she bought her the car before this one, so we left her.
Speaker 2:We've told this story.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we left our Buick in California. She turned it in.
Speaker 2:I was leasing in California. That guy.
Speaker 1:I mean she had worn him down so much. He said to her and he wasn't being funny. He said what do I got to do to keep you from coming in here?
Speaker 3:Wow.
Speaker 1:Because she was turning in a lease and trying to release.
Speaker 3:Wasn't that when you would just go there and hang out.
Speaker 2:Uh-huh, all day, all day.
Speaker 1:I mean, she was like and I went there.
Speaker 2:And they would just show me cars every once in a while. And then cars.
Speaker 1:The last day and then I'd be like if another customer come in I'm like just go, go ahead, I'll be here. I went there the last day. That's hilarious and I thought I'm gonna walk in and she's gonna have become friends with them and no they wanted her gone. No, oh, and then the we've told the deal came in at like five bucks more than she agreed to and she's like this is not what you told me. Yeah, and he was like it's $4.
Speaker 2:Sorry, yeah, listen.
Speaker 1:Rewrite it Wow.
Speaker 2:I stick to my guns. I love that.
Speaker 3:I'm the type that will just pay the difference to not have to stand in the line.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I don't like bargains. They'll eventually wear me down too. I'll go and just pay the full price to not have to dig through a bargain bin.
Speaker 2:Now, I don't like a bargain bin. That's different.
Speaker 3:Like the stores you go into that are just chaotic and disorganized.
Speaker 2:I don't want that it's too overwhelming. I have no time for that.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Now, if I walk through and I happen to see something on the shelf or something, I'll stop and look at it.
Speaker 1:But yeah, there's one thing that that you guys are both. I do this too, but you both seem to be pretty honest with and I've been doing. You know, as you know, my biggest fear in life is being unqualified for anything I do. And then go to college for music, and well, I mean one of them, you know so I want to be. So anyways, I've been taking the summer to listen to a ton of stuff, Just, oh, really.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean educating yourself.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah, and I'm always listening to. You know spiritual and emotional care kind of things. But I mean this summer I've been literally recopying all of my notes from my training and trying to, you know, just stay with it. But venting is actually the newest science behind venting. If you do it right, they're saying it can keep you from stuck trauma.
Speaker 1:Oh interesting life experience that might be negative or painful. If you don't vent it, it goes into your amygdala, which, if something stays there long enough, it will end up sort of in your cellular structure. A lot of it ends up in your gut. You got a lot of neurons in your gut, and I don't mean like the fat of your gut or your man boobs, I mean like you know what our parents used to say trust your gut, that actually there's some science to that. Anyways, I'm not a scientist, obviously not a neurobiologist.
Speaker 1:Obviously I know one, but I have spent a ton of time with a neurobiologist. We became friends in California and he started to key me in on this. So you know we could just vent for an hour and see what happens.
Speaker 1:But here's the other thing You've also got to vent your positives, because if you don't share a positive with someone, it actually isn't as real. Shared experience becomes more real when it's shared. So knowledge without experience is worthless. Experience without reflection is worthless. So we are a culture now that's taking in knowledge, but if it's not coupled with an experience of that, you know what good is it to know something if you don't experience it?
Speaker 1:I was listening to a guy do an interview with two people who were debating the Gaza, the Gaza, gaza, israel stuff, and I don't want to get into the debate, but one of the things that happened is one of the guys said well, when was the last time you were in Gaza? This was Andrew Murray. He said to the guy that he was debating and the guy said well, when was the last time you were in Gaza? This was Andrew Murray. He said to the guy that he was debating and the guy said well, I haven't been to Gaza. And the guy goes you've never been there. And he goes, no, he goes. Well, how can you have these strong opinions? And the guy's like, when were you there? And he goes. Two months ago I was there as they brought the shipments of food in.
Speaker 3:And the guy's like well, how many times have you been there?
Speaker 1:He goes three. How many times have you been there? None. And he's like well, I don't know if I even want to have this debate with you. I've got friends on both sides of the wall, yeah, and the guy started. Then there was an argument about well, can I not have an opinion if I've not been there? And the guy and he was like well, you can have an opinion, but I, it's different for me.
Speaker 1:I went and lived there, and so then I started. You know, I'm starting to hear all this stuff about the, the meaninglessness of knowledge without experience. Once you get in the weeds and you know someone and like, yeah, you know, I could tell you about the kids and you could tell me about your kids. But now that you know Hutch, it's like, oh, you've experienced it.
Speaker 3:I've heard and you can fact check me on this, but I've heard that when you do what you're saying, when you share a positive experience, and that person like attunes back to you, like you connect over it in your is is as if they were there with you. Yeah, your brain doesn't know the difference. I probably learned that from you actually so.
Speaker 1:So, when you like, if we do a recovery session or if we do a tree ring thing and you let me in on something that was hard, then you're not alone in it. But if you let me in on something that was amazing, then you're not alone in it. But if you let me in on something that was amazing, then you're not alone in it. Then it's like we did that together so we could vent maybe that's the name of our podcast.
Speaker 2:Something around venting I don't, but the problem is, the things I would vent to you are probably not good for public consumption.
Speaker 3:Well, that's never stopped you before what's the difference between a vent and a rant? Well, here's the difference.
Speaker 1:So when one of the things they say is that when you're venting, the, the rudest form of gossip is is um disguised in concern, so you can't be like I'm so worried about so-and-so or this really concerns me or I'm just worried about.
Speaker 1:You know you actually have to. You just you lodge a complaint. So the Gottmans, who I read a lot, they say there's a big difference between a complaint and a critique. Critique has to do with the character of the person, Complaint is I'd like to complain about something that I didn't like. So when you keep your rants with I statements, you'll be like I didn't like when this happened to me. You can't be like well, I'm worried about so-and-so. Or if somebody did something to you, you go. You did this to me and I don't appreciate it, but you don't go. You are so conceited and so judgy.
Speaker 2:Right, you know what I mean. You're not making accusations.
Speaker 1:You have to go. Hey, I feel judged here and I didn't like the way this came across. There is a plane that you have to keep your venting above. I like that.
Speaker 3:That's tough, so you don't want to go. You're like what's the fun in that?
Speaker 1:The thing is, you don't want to cause someone fear, shame or judgment. So you got to keep it above that plane.
Speaker 2:How do we do that?
Speaker 1:Well, that reminds me You're actually pretty good at it actually. Oh yeah, yeah, I've heard you have arguments with your mom and your sister. You go. I don't like was jackass for a decade Dumb ass. Dumb ass and I tried to hurt her back.
Speaker 2:This is now explicit. Get ready, that's a new part of our.
Speaker 3:It's going to have a little E in the corner now.
Speaker 2:Now we have to put an.
Speaker 1:E on it, or we could call it explicit. No, we could call it threesome. Oh gross.
Speaker 3:Thrupple just talked about throuple. Ew, I don't like any of that. You can't plant the seeds in our no listeners ears.
Speaker 1:They have to come up with this. Oh my gosh, we did a.
Speaker 3:We did a wayfm interview the other day and I saw that a picture that looked cool, I did, uh, I wasn't invited.
Speaker 1:I said boobs on it and that was like oh my gosh I can't. Anyways, we're going to have her on the podcast. She's great Joy, Very sweet. So anyways.
Speaker 2:Yeah. What was that.
Speaker 3:It was a comment.
Speaker 2:I couldn't make you want to vent.
Speaker 3:No, I mean, we've had some experience with having certain people on the podcast that.
Speaker 2:Oh, right, never aired. Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 3:But yeah, yeah, we can try again the unarables. We got a couple unarables. Oh, that would be fun at some point to air our unarables.
Speaker 2:We only have one unarable, don't we?
Speaker 3:do we air the other one? I think we just had to edit it oh did we no, well, the one.
Speaker 1:One didn't air one, we got done it was at your house and he walked out and I said we can't have that, because we got he and I got in a heated well, there's one person that still has a bit of a platform that was like, hey, we can't talk about that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, something we had of yours we had to edit. Yeah, yeah, we had to edit remember no I can't shit.
Speaker 1:We added some of shelly's out had to okay, she made us.
Speaker 3:You were talking about the Florida Peninsula thing.
Speaker 2:Was that in that one? Yeah so that never made it to the show.
Speaker 3:One of our earlier shows you were actually recapping, it was so important to me that you wanted to share it twice.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we cut it out in the second show it is very important.
Speaker 3:Hey, well, you know, if you're not having to edit every once in a while, you're not actually saying something.
Speaker 2:I just didn't think you did that.
Speaker 3:I had to. I was forced to.
Speaker 2:Oh Well, I mean, your arm was bent.
Speaker 3:She twisted.
Speaker 1:We did it out of respect for her and her audience. I mean she said look up.
Speaker 3:She was cool about it. It wasn't her.
Speaker 1:She was just like hey, this isn't us Fist to cuffs. I mean we try to keep our stuff.
Speaker 3:J-Lo and I were trying to keep the peace, just for the record.
Speaker 2:Absolutely Always.
Speaker 3:Were you really.
Speaker 2:We were both like very uncomfortable. We were trying to find a common ground.
Speaker 3:We were saying things like I think you guys are saying the same thing even though you weren't, but we're trying to find a peaceful? We're trying, but it was fun. I enjoyed it. I love I actually love watching conflict and drama if I'm not, of course you do. It's kind of yeah, it's like this is great well, we did.
Speaker 1:I got a couple of comments from, from a few of the last I do too, the podcast that we did and I guess you mentioned at one point that people say, for whatever reason, they just say whatever they want to me.
Speaker 2:That is true.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and so I actually got somebody. Well, I can't find it now, but somebody emailed and said that they I have to find it because she said you know they do the same thing to me and here's why.
Speaker 2:So I'll try to find that. I just went went into. I work in town at a store in town a couple days a week it's a great store.
Speaker 1:It's a great store. Onyx and alabaster, I mean, it's got my coffee.
Speaker 2:It's a cool store it's, my coffee is so good it's the classiest place in france I get a they carry my books.
Speaker 1:It's a bold statement, not currently, either you're out, have I sold out of books?
Speaker 2:you're sold out of books I'm selling dozens, but I get an iced americano with a little bit of um. Their sugar-free vanilla is stevia instead of like aspartame.
Speaker 3:So it's really good anyway, wi-fi there yet? Yes, they have wi-fi. Okay, I'll go there more now.
Speaker 2:And I thought I'm just going to grab a coffee before I go home and do this podcast. All kinds of crap was hitting the fan.
Speaker 3:Talk about venting.
Speaker 1:The drama is great. Oh, at work.
Speaker 2:I got so much drama talk.
Speaker 1:Oh stuff, I don't know.
Speaker 2:Kind of. But I mean we have a very strict no-gossiping policy. But I was talking to one of the bosses about some new people, it is crazy.
Speaker 3:How am I supposed to pray for people, though, if I don't know the what I'm praying for? Yeah, honestly pray for onyx. Yeah, I would like to pray for him. And how am I? I can't pray for an unspoken.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry, I can't. If you want me to pray, for you.
Speaker 3:You're gonna have to speak it. I don'tpoken. Yeah, what are we?
Speaker 1:praying about. Let's talk yeah.
Speaker 2:I can't, I can't, which is maybe the cruelest form of gossip is.
Speaker 1:I'm really praying for Drew about this thing. Let me tell you what it is Exactly.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:I can't remember the last time I prayed for somebody. I just want to know what's going on very honest with you. Okay.
Speaker 1:My family.
Speaker 3:I pray for them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but prayer is different.
Speaker 3:It's not like a petition, I'm just mindful of them.
Speaker 2:Really.
Speaker 1:The only time I have been praying for my family. The thing that helps me is when I'm folding their clothes.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's good Then.
Speaker 1:I can be like, okay, this, but I'm with you, Drew.
Speaker 2:I'm struggling. That's one of the things that I pray for, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:But I don't have like a sit down and meditate and pray time.
Speaker 2:I usually pray when I walk.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 2:And then when I'm walking, if I get to the end of it and I didn't pray, I do feel guilty. It's so stupid because I do feel like spirit. You know, I feel closer to God when I'm praying, right, like I feel like I can feel the presence of God, like I can feel like he's listening to me. Holy Spirit is there and listening to me, but it's still hard. It's hard to make myself do it sometimes.
Speaker 3:I've released myself of the pressure of having to sit quiet and be still. That's never going to happen In my mind. I don't know if it's anxiety or ADHD or whatever. I will not say focus, but if I'm doing something and inviting God into that and mindful of God while I'm walking or even working, just like, okay, god, to me that's a better form of connection and prayer. I envy the people who can just sit there and just like.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I can.
Speaker 1:But what if God? What if you just sit there? And what if God doesn't really? I mean, what if you show up with God and he's like I actually don't feel like talking right now. I mean, you can just sit there.
Speaker 2:I don't think God ever does that.
Speaker 1:God says he doesn't feel like talking.
Speaker 2:I don't think so.
Speaker 1:I know, but if what you need is just presence, yeah, maybe you just show up and don't talk until you feel like there's something to say.
Speaker 2:Just be yeah things that. I usually pray for.
Speaker 3:I just like the idea of God being an introvert. It's like you know what I'm all out of words today.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't think that happens, you don't? I don't want to talk today. No, I don't.
Speaker 1:Okay, now wait a minute. I don't mean to humanize God too far, but surely Jesus has had times he really didn't want to talk.
Speaker 2:Okay, I'm talking about praying. I don't think the Holy Spirit is ever out of words.
Speaker 1:You don't.
Speaker 2:No. You don't think that sometimes you just show up and you just be with the Lord. I'm not saying that sometimes you don't hear God speaking, and sometimes he's not saying anything. I don't think, though, that you go. Oh, then, he's just out of words.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, I hear what you're saying. I don't think it's that, no, yeah, I don't think it's that.
Speaker 2:No, right, I'm saying that sometimes, yeah, you don't.
Speaker 3:That's not what you need for the day. He doesn't have a message for you that day, but he's still there, he's still present.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah, well, the master metaphor that we're given by Jesus is that God is a parent, and so sometimes we're with our parents and we're asking questions and they're like yeah, let me tell you, you're just with your parents.
Speaker 2:I don't know, I don't I think sometimes we just are listening.
Speaker 1:I mean, you don't remember when our kids were just gibberish and you're like I wish, I just want to be quiet, I don't think, but we're not God and we have, don't have infinite everything. So this is the Enneagram five. If there's something to be known, she wants to know it.
Speaker 2:But it doesn't matter. That doesn't have anything to do with my personality. It has to do with God, and God is infinite. So I don't think God runs out of words or gets tired of us asking questions.
Speaker 1:It might be your personality though, because when I show up to be quiet with God, a lot of times I don't want to talk Well that's fine, and I think God is like that's great, let's just be quiet.
Speaker 2:That's different than saying God's out of words.
Speaker 1:Well, I didn't say God's out of words.
Speaker 2:I think that's you being out of.
Speaker 1:But sometimes the thing we need is not more information.
Speaker 2:Sure so.
Speaker 1:I mean it's like showing up every day and going God, when am I going to die? I mean God's like, well, it wouldn't be good for you to know?
Speaker 2:when you're going to die my gosh? Well, that's the questions you're asking when am I going to die?
Speaker 1:Well, I'm just trying to think of no, I'm just trying to think of a question that it wouldn't be helpful to have an answer to, right. Oh, okay, well, yeah, I don't think he's not going to tell you. I don't think I was going to tell you that, if you could know, I know, but I've thought about that actually.
Speaker 3:Yes, I have thought about that.
Speaker 2:I don't think I'd want to know, I don't think it would be healthy for anyone to know.
Speaker 3:No, that would be terrible.
Speaker 2:Could you imagine living up to that day and being like it's coming?
Speaker 1:Oh, I don't want to know. I'm planning to live to 100, but I don't know.
Speaker 2:Well, you better start making some lifestyle changes.
Speaker 1:Whoa, I don't know which one.
Speaker 3:You're supposed to say how you feel about his lifestyle, not make accusations about it did feel like an attack. I feel, like you, should be making some lifestyle.
Speaker 1:Which ones? I don't know.
Speaker 3:She's just saying you're not trending towards 100. Do you see what she's doing?
Speaker 2:Exactly.
Speaker 3:The trend doesn't look like.
Speaker 2:It's like I feel like 100 is here and you're like here and you're going I lost 100, I lost 50 pounds last year 100 pounds I lost 50 pounds last year yes, you did. That's a pretty good lifestyle change that is very good lifestyle change how's your stress level?
Speaker 1:right now you seem pretty relaxed better yeah well, I'll tell you what until she said that I well, I we've had this. I've've told her I plan to live to 100. Also.
Speaker 2:I plan to live to 120. So suck it.
Speaker 1:I plan, in the next decade, for AI to figure out a way for us to be living a lot longer.
Speaker 2:Well, it's not going to put muscle on you. You've got to build up some muscle mass.
Speaker 1:So that's the lifestyle change you want me to do, that's part of it she's telling you she wants you to go work out.
Speaker 2:No, I'm saying health-wise, you need to build your muscle mass.
Speaker 3:Okay, what else? My doctor tells me that too, yeah, that's something you gotta.
Speaker 2:It's a big deal.
Speaker 1:What else? It's a big deal.
Speaker 2:I don't know what else. I'm not. I don't have specifics, I'm just saying if, if you're going to wave your arm like this, like you're cleaning a window, Wax on wax off.
Speaker 1:If you're going to go your whole thing. Basically, you need to make lifestyle changes, yeah it feels like there's more behind it.
Speaker 2:I think you need to be more specific. Do I need to make lifestyle changes?
Speaker 1:I'm not thinking about you.
Speaker 2:Oh, I didn't make a big old statement about living to 100.
Speaker 3:If you said you're planning Fight, fight, fight, fight. You did say you're living to 120. If you said you're planning to live to 100, I wouldn't immediately go how is she?
Speaker 1:wrong. Let me throw some darts in that Fat chance. Big fella, I would go, that's great.
Speaker 2:That is great honey. Great Good luck with that.
Speaker 3:I hope it works for you. Good luck with that. I feel like I hope it works for you. Don't you want to outlive your spouse, though a little bit.
Speaker 2:I'm going to no. I'm just kidding.
Speaker 3:I don't want. I feel weird about my family having to bury me Time out.
Speaker 2:You want to outlive your spouse? Mm-hmm, really yeah.
Speaker 3:I want to see it through. You don't want to die first. No, I don't want her to have to bury me okay I guess my. I want her to live, to be old, but I'm just saying I want to wait. I can die the day after her, it's fine okay but I don't want to. I don't. Maybe it's just my sevenness and the fomo and I don't want to be gone and everyone else be here.
Speaker 2:I don't like that either. I don't want to either. I don't want to go first either. Yeah, but.
Speaker 1:Okay, so it's probably changing a little bit. My biggest fear.
Speaker 2:Are you knocking down a 90? No, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1:Well, my biggest fear was 72. My kids being without their mom. Okay, so, up until this point I have been like take me, but yeah, I don't want to. Yeah, I don't want to croup in the bed, ramp it back up with some other woman, that's for sure, lord.
Speaker 2:No, oh, my gosh energy for that. No, thank you.
Speaker 1:I mean we have some friends who are dating and we're like, oh, this sounds like it just looks like torture. I mean it literally looks like if you were to say they're not enjoying it we've had a friend who's had three boyfriends in a year and we're like this feels awful I've heard like word on the streets is that it's not.
Speaker 3:It's not a fun, it's like once you get to this age there's not a great pool out there yeah, you know it's not
Speaker 1:you're dealing with a lot of rejects I think if you're, I think if you were single, by the way, if you're single out there and listening no, but no, no, I think, if you're not saying you're reaching I'm.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry I shouldn't have said that.
Speaker 1:If you were single. It's kind of like it feels natural yes date. But the people that I mean we it just in your 50s. It just seems like a real hard, a lot of work.
Speaker 3:Well, it's funny because Jamie's mom is in her 70s and I swear she's like a middle school girl.
Speaker 2:Well, you know, is she in, like a place that a lot of old people live? No, she's in Florida.
Speaker 3:She's in a what?
Speaker 2:She's in Florida. Yeah, she's not over in the-.
Speaker 1:I thought you said she's in a porno.
Speaker 2:No, she's in a porno.
Speaker 3:I thought she said she was a hoarder, she's all of those things.
Speaker 2:She's a porno-making hoarder in Florida.
Speaker 3:The videos are super cluttered yeah that's where my mind went.
Speaker 1:She makes like making it back here she makes a very she has a very specific audience that's the name, oh man no, I don't want my name on that I don't need my name on that. I don't need my name. What's your mother-in-law's name, oh nope, nope, daddy is Nana or Hoarder.
Speaker 2:Porner, hoarder, porner. Gigi Gigi the Hoarder Porner.
Speaker 1:No God man. This woman needs to get rid of some stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we don't have any space in here.
Speaker 3:Oh dude, that's terrible. I don't even remember what we're talking about.
Speaker 2:We can't put the camera anywhere. There's no room for the crew.
Speaker 3:There's no room for the crew, it's all selfie style because there's no room for the crew.
Speaker 1:Seriously, it's all ring camera footage from up in the corner. She's holding the camera, whoa.
Speaker 2:Oh, I'm sweaty Dang, sorry Hi.
Speaker 1:What happened there? Are you nervous?
Speaker 2:I don't know, because you get nervous bits. It's probably also because this is tied up in.
Speaker 3:Because you made her cover up her midriff. Now she's burning up?
Speaker 2:No, I'm not.
Speaker 1:I was venting Open that sucker up Because that looks so uncomfortable.
Speaker 2:I didn't even know it was happening until you drew lots of attention to it.
Speaker 3:You look like the crispy crab from that. Anyways, stuff happens. I pooped my pants last week.
Speaker 1:Did you Welcome to the club In the CPA parking lot. Did you have to go bed, or was it a surprise, both?
Speaker 2:Did you fully poop your pants or just a?
Speaker 3:little bit. No, it was full, but I had to drive over to McDonald's and clean it up.
Speaker 2:Did you just chuck your underwear in?
Speaker 3:Did you leave your underwear in the yeah, because I had to go to the football, I had a whole evening planned oh dear, did so.
Speaker 2:You had to go commando the rest of the night but your pants were fine.
Speaker 1:Pants were great yeah yeah I keep a pair of boxers in my car all the time.
Speaker 2:That's a smart idea. The problem is, boxers are not going to contain jack they do contain mine.
Speaker 1:I don't wear box. Look, you don't want exactly boxer briefs you can't contain there's poop. Nothing's going to be contained in boxers mine I mean when the when we had those friends over, I had eaten a bunch of the Trader.
Speaker 2:Joe's. We don't need to go into that. Yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 1:The pretzel, the peanut butter pretzel.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:And I, just they didn't get out. So it was just like work. But that was contained. Chuck the pants, yeah.
Speaker 2:Why is everyone looking at me?
Speaker 3:I don't know. I was just saying stuff happens. That was last week, yeah, last week. Oh man, sorry about that, sorry I text, my son and I was like hey, man, this just happened. He's like dad, you have to leave immediately.
Speaker 2:Yeah, please don't come to my game.
Speaker 3:He probably didn't even want you to come anymore, just stay away. It was just part of what just happens. I pee my pants probably twice a week. I don't make it, but that's an MS thing though right.
Speaker 1:Well, I like to say it's an MS thing I do pee my pants more since MS. I just can't hold it. You also drink ridiculous amounts of caffeine but remember, I mean this happened when I drank a lot of water lifestyle change, that's one of them the way you drink a lot. This episode is sponsored by Sonic. By Sonic. That would be killer.
Speaker 2:Work on that, drew. If we could get a Sonic sponsorship In your spare time, drew.
Speaker 3:We should get. Yeah, that would be nice.
Speaker 2:I need a deodorant sponsor sponsorship, apparently Anti-purse print.
Speaker 3:You really smell that purse print.
Speaker 2:Golly, I tried to switch to like some of that all natural stuff I use all natural. You do, yeah, it doesn't work.
Speaker 3:Clearly, that's for me I don't stink, I just sweat.
Speaker 2:It doesn't keep you from sweating.
Speaker 3:I never had BO in my life until I use that stuff.
Speaker 2:He doesn't ever get BO.
Speaker 3:I don't have a smell.
Speaker 2:He doesn't smell. It's really annoying.
Speaker 1:That's what my wife tells me too.
Speaker 3:She's like you don't ever smell I can, sweat I can mow the yard? Yep, and I let that shirt and put it on the next morning and it smells like yeah, whatever clean yeah that's crazy.
Speaker 1:I love that for you show off. Well, you know, it's really not fair. I was just thinking about this. If a guy has armpits, it's like, yeah, that guy was sweaty, but that's not fair for a girl.
Speaker 2:No, it's not fair for you to call me out like I'm disgusting.
Speaker 1:Well, he was shocked by it.
Speaker 2:You raised your hand high. What was I raising my hand about?
Speaker 3:I don't remember, it was something, but I feel like your response was more of like a shock response and like a thoughtful one Shock and awe.
Speaker 1:Okay, but the thing is I'm probably feeling a little bit because it wasn't a complaint that she launched at me about living to 100.
Speaker 2:It was critique oh, here we go. So we're back to that. So that's my fault.
Speaker 3:She did a real time After you complimented her for being good at that.
Speaker 2:This is my fault. I did, you did, I said you're pretty good at this. And then she launched an attack and then you're like you need to do some lifestyle change this whole thing. So, because I said that you were getting me back, is that? No, I think I'm probably just a little bit.
Speaker 1:Uh, on edge she's a little punchy now, poor baby. You know there's this different, so I've been working through these different response styles and you know this is something that's really good. You guys are gonna love this we're gonna love it.
Speaker 2:Oh, we can write on the paper now. Is it serious?
Speaker 1:Well, it doesn't have to be Okay.
Speaker 3:Good, so there's a difference between react and respond. Oh, I hate that sound Do you.
Speaker 2:You know what I hate the sound of someone digging through a makeup bag Hate it.
Speaker 1:Is that a star?
Speaker 3:It's very hard for a person to control their reactions.
Speaker 1:As a matter of fact, you just shouldn't even try to edit your own reactions. If you react, you react, but you try to keep distance, as much distance as you can between your reaction and your response, even if it's a positive reaction. You don't want to just jump in right away. So they teach you try to put some distance between your reaction because that's good, I need to learn that we all react different. Sometimes some of us feign, which means you'll just lose yourself in that. Well, I'm sorry, it's okay. Yeah, we'll do what you want to do. Some of us, um, have what they call a borderline reaction. So it's an extreme.
Speaker 1:It's either I hate these, I'm gonna you know I'm gonna get justice or delete, I'm out, and so these are all different kind of. Some of them are codependent reaction style. So if you have something negative, okay, keep this person towards me, and so they say you try to pay attention to your reaction style, notice it, it show up which she's actually pretty good at this. If something would happen with the kids, she would go I noticed that you're really upset, Like rather than, rather than.
Speaker 1:Oh here's a snack, or you want a popsicle, or I'm going to kill him, or she go boy. I noticed that must be really sad.
Speaker 2:Did.
Speaker 1:I, and then, yeah, that was a thing, and so you try to create distance between the two.
Speaker 2:I'm not good at that, and that makes your life better. Well, just like me going.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was a reaction.
Speaker 2:That's a reaction, See. I couldn't help it. It might have been better. I shouldn't have held that in. That was my reaction. I shouldn't edit it.
Speaker 1:There you go. Well, no, you react Like. Reactions are mostly internal.
Speaker 2:They're your feeling, oh I should have reacted and thought it and not spit it out A reaction is a feeling. Oh, I should have been like.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, they say that a couple of these. That doesn't apply If someone's being hurt or you're being hurt or if something is to be celebrated, just do it Like you know. If someone wins a Super Bowl, yeah, be happy for them.
Speaker 3:You wouldn't be like well, let's wait.
Speaker 1:But like, yeah, you would go, okay, and then later you go. Hey, babe, but if you're serious about living to 100. Here's some changes.
Speaker 2:Here's a list of things. You know what.
Speaker 3:For me. I honestly, I usually need a night of sleep. Yeah, I changes. Let me.
Speaker 2:Here's a list of you know what for me? I, honestly, I usually need a night of sleep. Yeah, I need one. I need an overnighter.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's so true I'm not going to come back to it. An hour, two hours, three hours later I'm I need to rest and get back up and reset my brain and then I can respond better well that, that that integrates your hemispheres.
Speaker 1:So if you this is archaic so if you've got a left and right hemisphere, most, most, of the time most of the time, you're processing feelings through your right brain, and so you want to. You just want to give your left brain a chance to inform that a little bit.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and so you want. You want this to be like this. You know, want it to be informing all the time, and that happens with your prefrontal cortex. That's what puts us together.
Speaker 2:Do you think people can?
Speaker 1:see that, yeah, they can.
Speaker 2:Can they.
Speaker 1:I looked in mine, but this is what teenagers don't have they don't have a prefrontal cortex.
Speaker 3:So if you ask a teenager.
Speaker 1:Why did you do that? And they go. I don't know Believe them.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Because they don't. Yeah, pretty much Usually 25, we get this front. Yeah, I just, dr Dave, I know this was very elementary.
Speaker 2:Not like he listens. I don't think Dr Dave is listening, dr.
Speaker 1:Dave, I'll do this on one of the podcast.
Speaker 2:Oh, he needs to come on, man, dr Dave, we need to have Dr Dave on.
Speaker 1:He's a neurobiologist and he was part of a group of people that took a look at the origin of a single thought. We've told this In fMRI machines and he mapped it out for me. It's unbelievable. That's cool. Yeah, it's really cool.
Speaker 3:I've been wanting to do that brain mapping stuff that people are doing with Dr. What's his name?
Speaker 2:Amin, yeah, I want to do that.
Speaker 1:You guys should.
Speaker 3:You guys should do it and then talk about it on here I wish the podcast could pay for it because it's expensive.
Speaker 2:Well, that would be us, now that we got the car.
Speaker 3:Now that we got the car For sure, definitely can't with the car payment for the podcast.
Speaker 1:That would be fun. Is it expensive? I'd imagine it would be. Yeah, he's expensive and we've sold property and we bought that car.
Speaker 2:We got her eyes fixed Did you sell your property? Yeah, we did.
Speaker 1:We got her eyes fixed so she's seeing without glasses now.
Speaker 2:Well, they're not fixed. Okay, I have contacts. We're going to get our teeth fixed. Right now I've got just piles of crud in my eyes.
Speaker 1:I thought you were going to say piles of money.
Speaker 2:No crud Like my eyes feel awful.
Speaker 1:That's something when we were first married that bothered you so bad. You would always tell me clean your eyes. And so then I'd have to, but lately you kind of stopped that.
Speaker 2:That's probably because I couldn't see.
Speaker 3:Why do you have crud in your eyes?
Speaker 2:No, I think it's the contacts.
Speaker 3:I don't know it just feels.
Speaker 2:I think my eyes are dry, right, irritated. That's what I mean.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so, yeah so you're going to get your teeth fixed.
Speaker 2:We had a couple credit cards and we paid off. That's good. We have a lot of teeth issues that we've been ignoring.
Speaker 1:We've been ignoring our teeth for a while.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I've got to get that one done. He's got a tooth that.
Speaker 1:I need a set of. I mean, I have two that I just had them pull yeah.
Speaker 3:Well, you've got one back there, that's just a broken off tooth back there, so you've got some maintenance work you've got to get done.
Speaker 2:We've got some issues and we need cleanings, which, by the way, I have called around for cleanings. $400 for a cleaning it feels like a lot.
Speaker 3:That's a lot.
Speaker 2:I have called several dentists and this is the price. Yeah, we don't have insurance for teeth cleaning.
Speaker 1:It would be cheaper for one of us to become a dental hygienist.
Speaker 3:I said that about doing hair and makeup. If I just learned that early on, it'd save me so much money for my girls, right? If I could just do their hair and makeup for them, especially blonde, like if I could do the dye and all that.
Speaker 2:Oh, the highlighting yes, I have a girl who's a good price if they need somebody.
Speaker 1:Since we sold our property, I've been getting haircuts. It's awesome.
Speaker 2:He's been going to Fantastic Sam's. I have I've seen Stephanie.
Speaker 1:Donna Berry Farms.
Speaker 2:Stephanie, look, I'm the guy that you get an appointment and.
Speaker 1:I make one four weeks later, you do. Yeah, I like getting my hair. I mean, it's great. For 10 years I've cut my own hair.
Speaker 3:Oh, I know I'm. I did notice that your hair looked good, it's way how about it?
Speaker 2:it looks it makes a difference it makes it.
Speaker 3:Maybe that's what I noticed about haircuts are better you didn't do a bad job, though it wasn't like it was it wasn't terrible, it was doable.
Speaker 2:But it's.
Speaker 3:It's if a good haircut is like, that's some good self-care right there it feels good coming out too. You're like have you ever gotten a shave?
Speaker 1:somebody did the back that's great no, I, I don't like my face being touched, okay, well you may not like this, then interesting. I mean, I don't mind if you like you don't do that.
Speaker 2:Actually, I don't like my face touched at all.
Speaker 3:I never have yeah, my brother's a barber and he does the hot towel shave with the foam and the whole deal, and it's so like I just want to sit there.
Speaker 2:Does it keep it from getting irritated, or is that just?
Speaker 3:aftercare? I think it's supposed to. They've got a really sharp razor and all that. Or is that like an?
Speaker 2:aftercare situation.
Speaker 1:I don't know. Good question Now, stephanie. Oddly enough, I've never had this asked. She'll ask me do you want me to work on your eyebrows?
Speaker 3:And I'm like.
Speaker 1:I don't think so.
Speaker 3:And I feel like they're okay. Brows and ears and stuff. They start getting old and you got to get.
Speaker 2:You don't have weird brows happening.
Speaker 3:No, that's what's interesting. Do you trim your?
Speaker 2:nose hairs no.
Speaker 3:I don't think it's been an issue.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no.
Speaker 2:You do have some a couple of ear hairs that I have that you don't like when I pull.
Speaker 1:but Well, because she pulls them without telling me and that hurts. You can't do a sneak attack hair pull.
Speaker 2:It's the only way he won't. Let me do it. How do?
Speaker 3:you get. I mean, those aren't. You must be good. I mean how do you Well, no, they're on that that without him knowing it's happening eyes are closed.
Speaker 2:Or I'm looking at my phone or something she'll just reach in there, and she does that with it's not in like if I have a, if I have a pimple, oh my gosh she'll just come up with pimples on my back and just squeeze it. I love pimples dang we have don't act like you don't love I do.
Speaker 3:I watch pimple popper and I love it I knew you did I love it, but I don't think I want to touch them, though I don't think I would do that I have a client that does marketing for Pimple Popper and she said she is the nicest lady, she seems great.
Speaker 2:She does seem great, she gets some really gross people in there.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And then she's the sweetest to them.
Speaker 3:She's so kind to them. Yeah, it makes them feel good.
Speaker 2:Never like ew.
Speaker 3:Some of these people have gone years with this stuff. I'm like yo. Yeah, years with this stuff I'm like yo.
Speaker 2:Yeah, anyways, I have a lipoma that needs to be taken off, you do.
Speaker 3:I've had it since 2006.
Speaker 2:You should go to her. I should, but I don't want to be on her show.
Speaker 1:Well, I don't, and it's on my butt. Yours is not egregious enough to be on her show. It's on my butt, cheek. I mean, yours isn't gross enough.
Speaker 2:Right, I mean it's just there. But my doctor told me he's like eventually you're gonna have to have that taken off because really it's gonna grow and grow. He just said, no, it doesn't grow he just said it's gonna be so irritating it's gonna. It's like come to pimple he said, it's like a seed in your tooth. Eventually, oh, it'll just bother you, it'll just and it does like if we're on long car rides it'll hurt jeez, butt lipoma, who knew?
Speaker 3:butt lipoma on who knew?
Speaker 2:Butt lipoma On my right cheek.
Speaker 1:That's a name that's more of a band name, I guess.
Speaker 2:I got that. It showed up when we lived in Africa.
Speaker 1:What kind of band is a butt lipoma, butt lipoma. It feels good.
Speaker 2:I went to the doctor in Africa for it because I was like what is this lump that just showed up? And he was like so it's a lipoma and that that's fine, but you really need to get your stomach in shape because, oh god, you're like well I wasn't here for that.
Speaker 3:Welcome to africa, geez people. Your stomach in shape? How big are we talking here?
Speaker 2:golf ball size um, let me feel it penny uh, it's probably quarter oof.
Speaker 1:That's significant, it's something I mean, if that was sorry to hear, that, if that was like Coming out of your ear, they'd take it off On Pimple Popper.
Speaker 2:Sure, my dad had one on his head that you never saw. The stuff that she gets Like these people with like oh man, it's so sad, it's sad.
Speaker 1:Watermelons on them. I'm like it affects their life.
Speaker 2:I'm like, how did?
Speaker 1:you when have?
Speaker 3:you been.
Speaker 2:They don't go out of their house probably.
Speaker 3:The ones I feel worse for, I think, are the ones that have the skin issues, that are like oh, it's so sad and there's not really a whole lot they can do about it, but there's like tons of them and it's like my kids have.
Speaker 2:I don't know if it's eczema or what. I got to get rid of the doctor Both of them.
Speaker 3:Yeah, have itchy spots, my kids, not the lipoma, but it's the other one, when it's like an actual pop and you're like, yes, we got one.
Speaker 2:You know what, though? They're too big. It's like an explosion, though Pimple popper has gotten out of control.
Speaker 1:She has to wear like a hazmat suit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's gotten out of control, it's gotten too much.
Speaker 1:The one thing I like about the pimple popper show is you watch that 700 pound woman? It's like yeah, it's like okay, this is a whole season.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I can't go on that journey.
Speaker 1:She goes into that guy I'm like doctor was like you're really fat, you need to lose that.
Speaker 2:That is exactly what he says.
Speaker 1:He's like you need to lose your fat 40 pounds by next week.
Speaker 3:I'm like 40 pounds.
Speaker 1:Take them to that guy.
Speaker 2:We're offending more people Just left who. Who are we offending?
Speaker 3:We just started watching the Biggest Loser documentary on Netflix. Have you seen that?
Speaker 2:one yet. No, because we didn't watch that show. He is way back up now.
Speaker 3:What have you seen it? Have you started watching?
Speaker 2:it who he's?
Speaker 3:bigger than when he started. Who One of the winners? He was the biggest loser. I'm not that far into it, but it's super interesting.
Speaker 1:Well, he's real unhelpful.
Speaker 2:He wants to sue them. Yikes, that's sad. I was just told by a girl I work with.
Speaker 1:Oh, I'm sorry, After you're done saying that.
Speaker 2:She said that the Boston Marathon bomber one is really good that documentary. Did you watch that?
Speaker 1:No, but I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2:It's the same people that did the one. Why don't you wait? Oh, I haven't seen that one yet is that good?
Speaker 3:poop cruise yeah, cruise is good. Yeah, it's short. Yeah, it's a shorter one. Well, all these jamie went on and did some setting on our netflix and basically, without me knowing, it took off every great documentary ever, and I just found that out, and so I've just put the settings back to default and and all of a sudden I've got access to all these great shows. I was like, where's this been? It's like Stuff, drew Likes Cancel.
Speaker 1:It honestly was.
Speaker 3:But it's a weird rate. It's like TV 14 or something like that.
Speaker 2:She took that off.
Speaker 3:I guess Something that had all the documentaries on it.
Speaker 2:So you have to be 14 years old to watch it.
Speaker 3:So she was like protecting your children.
Speaker 1:I think that's what it was that was nice of her we're what I feel like we've watched less tv in the past couple of months, then really I mean you're watching the pretty summer, but oh, that's, my girls are into that oh my gosh.
Speaker 2:So I'm watching that with sadie. We watched the first two episodes, I mean first two seasons, and that was so stupid and she even hated. But then this next one came out and we're watching it. But then we got my sister watching it because she was going to come up and watch it with us. Anyway, because I talked about it and my sister sent me some reels about it. Now all my reels are the Summer I Turned Pretty.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And so everything, and so it is. So now I'm like well crap, I'm interested in all the Easter eggs, because there's all these crazy Easter eggs in it.
Speaker 3:Oh, I didn't know that. That's kind of fun. My girls love it. They watch that.
Speaker 2:I can't watch shows.
Speaker 3:I can't stay awake. I get up early and by the time evening comes 8, 9 o'clock. If I slow down and stop, I pass it right out.
Speaker 2:No, it came out last night in the morning. We watched it at 9 this morning.
Speaker 3:Yep, jamie and Grace did too. Jamie got on a plane to go to Germany at what? 1 o'clock, 12 o'clock, and before she left they had to sit down and watch it.
Speaker 2:What's she doing in Germany?
Speaker 3:I think she's just going with her mom and some friends for fun. She's going to go over to Austria where they film Sound of Music. That's one of her favorite movies Going to Paris Movies Going to Paris.
Speaker 1:Doing stuff in Germany.
Speaker 2:She's doing some Europe stuff.
Speaker 1:She's doing some hoarding porn With her mom On the road.
Speaker 3:Her mom's doing it remote.
Speaker 1:They didn't bring a bunch of stuff with them. They had suitcases.
Speaker 3:What's this for? We're doing a photo shoot. We're doing a video shoot.
Speaker 1:Americans, I gotta bring all my hoarding with me, alright, so we're going to wrap it up here.
Speaker 3:Are we it?
Speaker 1:is really you know.
Speaker 3:It's good to be back.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I missed you Drew.
Speaker 3:No, no, thanks, I miss you guys.
Speaker 1:Whatever this energy is, we'll keep doing this. If you're a listener and or if you're not. Well'm just saying, if you're a listener that has an opinion on what we should call ourselves, tell us. You can get a hold of us through instagram right now.
Speaker 2:It's still the gospel, according to jeremy I don't know why we need to rebrand.
Speaker 3:Explain why, well part of it is like we're, I feel like the rebrand should have our names in it. I agree with that but we're we're done with I don't trust you.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, I mean you're teetering on the edge at all times.
Speaker 3:Really. Yeah, I think I would have been gone by now if that was the truth.
Speaker 2:You tried to be a couple times.
Speaker 3:No, I just got. Someone was busy. I was willing, I was always willing. I can go back and show you my text threads was willing.
Speaker 1:I need receipts. Yeah, I got them all right. So the the origins of this was he was going to help me with the thing that I do like this relational coaching, emotional care, all that which I do. Have four client spots right now there's an open spot. I had some people come off this summer so if you are interested in doing any one-on-one work with me, I'm doing a lot of distance remote stuff, let's say you can do virtual.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And I'm getting better at it. I'm like 3000 hours of doing it. So, yeah, I mean, the people that were with me originally. They're like dang. I wish I was with him now, right, um, anyway. So yeah, if you want to work, I'd love for you to work with me. Um, but anyways, we've gotten away. I mean this was going to be about.
Speaker 3:God, I don't feel the name actually represents what we actually do on the podcast. Not at all Right. It's not your gospel anymore.
Speaker 1:So why don't we?
Speaker 3:why don't we have that?
Speaker 1:been season one and season two. They were that we're different. Now it's a crap show. So let's name it what it is and then let's continue on. I mean, let's launch this thing.
Speaker 2:Also, if you have any ideas of things you'd like for us to talk about, for people you would like for us to try to get on here.
Speaker 1:For sure.
Speaker 2:Let us know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2:Fo' shizzle.
Speaker 3:I like your energy that you put behind that.
Speaker 1:It feels like when you said launch this thing. You're like man, let's launch this thing. You love a launch.
Speaker 3:That's the key. Keep me engaged.
Speaker 2:We got to restart this thing every few months. We have to keep relaunching.
Speaker 3:Okay, Every few months we quit the show and then start it again. Gotcha quit the show and then start it again.
Speaker 2:Gotcha.
Speaker 3:It could be just over one week. It doesn't have to be a pause.
Speaker 2:That's fine.
Speaker 3:The relaunch with Drew Powell.
Speaker 1:Dude, I love a good relaunch or launch.
Speaker 3:I'm surprised you haven't renewed your fouls yet yeah, we thought about doing it for our 25th, that's next year.
Speaker 2:Don't do it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't. Honestly, every time we talk about it we're like let's just do a trip, let's just go somewhere.
Speaker 2:So we do that every year. I don't like it. I hope you didn't plan on that for our 30th. Oh gosh, no, I know better than that with you, that just sounds like not good.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't think. Maybe with the kids, maybe something small with the kids.
Speaker 2:I don't know. Yeah, I don't want to waste the money.
Speaker 3:We'd probably do what we wanted to do the first time, which was go to a cool place and like go somewhere tropical.
Speaker 2:Do you have a plan for your 25th yet?
Speaker 3:No, that's a year away. We're 24th's coming up in September we have our 30th coming up in November.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's cool. You know, what we should do is we should have people friends, family, listeners of the show. We should have them send in the topics they want us to talk about. I like that and we'll list the entire season out and then we'll have them send in comments on the topic before we talk about it.
Speaker 3:You know, that's a good idea too as far as engagement goes, is we have like we're gonna do six episodes, yeah, yeah, and we crank it out, and then we pause, then we relaunch let's do it, episode I mean, or whatever.
Speaker 2:It is eight episodes we could do.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean like this actual season yeah we could do a, you know, pop culture, sex, whatever, whatever, whatever. And people could write in their stories and tell us I don't want to talk about sex. Have you listened to Death Sex Money, that podcast? It's a great podcast. It's from the New York.
Speaker 3:We need to talk about all the CCM drama. We haven't even gotten there. Oh Michael Tate stuff, oh my gosh, and the Gateway stuff too, out there in Texas.
Speaker 1:What happened with Gateway? We don't know this stuff. You want my Gateway with Robert Morris? Oh, yeah, no, yeah, no, he had me too'd some little kids early on.
Speaker 2:Wait what? I don't think that's what they call it yeah, I mean. I'm just saying you don't me too little kids.
Speaker 3:No, I don't think that's how this. Yeah, just them. So Mark was a friend. They're doing great. Mark is awesome like the church is doing great now, but it sucked.
Speaker 2:Oh good, they got a new pastor and they're doing awesome yeah that's just so heartbreaking to me it is heartbreaking, are you?
Speaker 1:were you, michael Tate, adjacent at all like to that crew? No, oh no, we weren't either. I mean, we have very little.
Speaker 2:we don't know him at all. We've never met him, by the way we had very-.
Speaker 3:We've never been in the same room. I don't want to be adjacent to him, I'm just kidding, we had very little Newsboys experience.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Like it's.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we probably shouldn't launch into it now, but that's sad, that is so sad. It's sad, yeah, it's complex, man the way like nobody honestly was super surprised, kind of.
Speaker 2:But on this is the thing, I think everyone suspected he was gay. If we're just being honest, I think everybody was like, oh, he's gay, but I don't know who knew I think that was the secret I think we all thought was being kept. Nobody knew about the other stuff I don't think that I know of.
Speaker 3:I I don't know, I wasn't close enough to it but it's funny because my not funny but like my I have a pretty unpopular, I think. Take on it because I hold intention, this extreme like sadness for the victims.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:But I also have this like love and care for him as a human.
Speaker 2:It's so sad.
Speaker 3:And what he, what he may have had to carry in an industry that wouldn't allow him to be honest for a long time, and I'm not making excuses for him. I'm just saying I don't villainize him as much as some people Like. I also see him as a human. Still I'm like, hey, obviously there's things that were wrong, but you're still a human person.
Speaker 2:Yes, oh, I got to go in four minutes Go ahead human person. Yes, if the gay. Oh, I gotta go in four minutes. Go ahead, if the gay thing was the only thing he was keeping secret.
Speaker 3:Yeah, there's other things.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, so you haven't done the research but the outrage for the, for the artist community here, of going.
Speaker 3:You guys knew that most of the artists here wouldn't care probably we're not the gay thing, so we wouldn't, no, it's his audience that would care. Yeah, the artist here would be like what about labels though? Would they not?
Speaker 2:if I don't know, I mean corey asbury came out the week after and was like, hey, you know, everybody knew in town. And I'm like, okay, we all suspected he was gay, but what? It's not our story to tell. What are we supposed to do out him also, what are we gonna do?
Speaker 1:what they like. Corey was like the biggest skeptic. Nobody talked about it.
Speaker 2:It wasn't like we were going to be in my text page.
Speaker 1:He was drugging people and raping people.
Speaker 3:That's fair. That's the problem with these headlines, right, there's so much nuance to it.
Speaker 2:It's not fair. Don't glom onto somebody's.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I hate that.
Speaker 2:I feel like you're just trying to get clicks.
Speaker 1:Anyway, good talk, we covered it, you got to go. I mean we can talk more about it next week and if you have any kind of comments, any takes that you want us to, we'll talk about it. I do think it's worth talking about, but you like got to do it in love. I mean, these are people.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I guess that's what I mean.
Speaker 1:Yeah, gotta do it in love. I mean, these are people like that's what I mean.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like a person who obviously was, you know, really struggling sure, if that's again, I'm gonna say if he was just hiding that right a gay lifestyle, but if he's actively drugging and raping people and grooming people. I don't feel that sorry for him.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:But I do. It is sad to me, but I don't. I'm like okay, something's going on your brain is.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't feel sorry for him. I think I just feel like, hey, there's a sickness that needed to be addressed. Sure, you see, I don't know.
Speaker 1:I see it more of a lens of like healthy like well and sick more than like right. Yeah, yeah, it's sad. It's it is sad though. Yeah, oh for sure, yeah for sure. And when?
Speaker 2:you make choices like that, there's just so many. There are consequences, so many consequences.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and so people that I can tell you firsthand yep, consequences. You don't get out of that, even if you get forgiveness and redemption all the things you don't get out of consequences.
Speaker 1:That's part of it yeah, you know, yeah, boy, that's all right everybody he got real somber, he felt that deep. Yeah, all right on that note we're just gonna stay fresh what do you say?
Speaker 2:Stay fresh cheese bags.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's good to see you guys again.
Speaker 2:Miss you guys, you too, man.
Speaker 1:Thank you for the hats.
Speaker 2:Yes, you're welcome.
Speaker 1:Can't wait to wear mine.
Speaker 2:We will wear them with pride.
Speaker 3:There you go. Pride, there you go.
Speaker 2:Pride hats. Thanks for the pride hat.
Speaker 3:From your church god, here we go.
Speaker 2:I'm leaving, if you were doing pride hats, your church would be so happy mike tate would have been totally welcome at your church, see everybody.