My Side of the Story

The podcast world has been turned upside down as Jennifer takes the helm from Jeremy in this transitional episode that quickly moves from lighthearted banter about podcast ownership to profound reflection on national tragedy. After Jeremy explains his decision to hand over the microphone after 50 episodes, the conversation shifts to the shocking assassination of Charlie Kirk that occurred just hours after their previous recording.

Jennifer and Jeremy share their raw, unfiltered reactions to witnessing the news unfold in real-time - from initial reports to the devastating realization of Kirk's death. This leads to a thoughtful exploration of parasocial relationships and why we feel genuine grief for public figures we've never personally met. Jennifer vulnerably shares her connection to Kirk's content and the strange grief that comes from losing someone who felt like family despite never having met.

The pair navigate challenging territory as they discuss the politically polarized responses to the tragedy, media coverage concerns, and the search for truth amid competing narratives. Rather than settling for easy answers, they wrestle with how to process collective grief in a divided nation while honoring the deceased. Jeremy offers the powerful suggestion to "lean into tenderness rather than bitterness" as a pathway through national trauma.

What emerges is a timely conversation about finding beauty amid tragedy, how significant events become generational touchstones, and the possibility of meaningful revival following devastating loss. Their willingness to engage with difficult emotions while maintaining respectful dialogue models how we might process our own reactions to public tragedies.

The episode concludes with practical plans for the podcast's future, including guest appearances and a call for listener topic suggestions. Join Jennifer and Jeremy as they demonstrate that even the most painful national moments can become opportunities for authentic connection and meaningful conversation.

Transcript

Podcast Handover Drama

Speaker 1 0:11

Hello, are we there? We're recording, it's happening, we're happening. I need silly money. A show on the road, all right, hi everybody, welcome to my side of the story. The gospel according to Jennifer.

Speaker 2 0:24

That's right.

Speaker 1 0:28

We are going to try to talk about some serious stuff today because there's so much serious stuff happening, but I also need to talk about this podcast, and I don't even know why I have a podcast at this point you're the only person that doesn't understand the point of this. Really everyone else I am, I'm, so I. I just don't understand it.

Speaker 1 0:53

So it's so annoying if you weren't here last week. Jeremy just was like hey, guess what? I'm not doing it anymore, it's yours and you're doing it now. So hot potato. He just like threw it to me like a hot potato.

Speaker 2 1:04

It's not how I said it.

Speaker 1 1:05

This is what it felt like. It felt like, hey, drew's leaving and it's going to suck, so let's just, I don't want to do it anymore.

Speaker 2 1:14

Okay, first of all, you never say suck.

Speaker 1 1:17

I don't.

Speaker 2 1:18

No.

Speaker 1 1:20

I feel like I do.

Speaker 2 1:22

I feel like you were. You must have not heard anything. I said. I mean, it must have been like you glitched and didn't hear anything.

Speaker 1 1:33

I said I didn't glitch, I just was like maybe I was in shock.

Speaker 2 1:38

I said we've done 50 episodes of the gospel, according to Jeremy.

Speaker 1 1:42

Okay.

Speaker 2 1:44

I have pretty much brought all of the content that I really have on my. The point was for me to be talking about like soul care stuff.

Speaker 1 1:52

You don't have any more to talk about.

Speaker 2 1:55

Stop Listen. Are you going to listen?

Speaker 1 1:59

Oh my gosh, now it's your gospel again. Guess what.

Speaker 2 2:02

No, I'm trying to tell you, and so I just explained to our listeners that I'm not sure that I have any more stuff to churn out. But all of the comments seven out of eight comments that we would ever get they're just like more jennifer. I want to hear more from jennifer. I want to hear how many people ask me. Ask jennifer what it's like to do this.

Speaker 1 2:25

Tell jennifer to talk about this. I wish you had some specifics, because then we could talk about Jennifer. I want to hear how many people ask me ask.

Speaker 2 2:30

Jennifer what it's like to do this. Tell Jennifer to talk about this. I wish you had some specifics, because then we could talk about it. And so throughout the week I was thinking you know what it feels like. It's time, at least for the next, you know, for the next couple of months, we'll just I'm just going to turn this over to you.

Speaker 1 2:40

Okay.

Speaker 2 2:41

Rather than you starting a podcast and all that, we'll just Okay. Rather than you starting a podcast and all that, we'll just Now. That's exactly what I said last week.

Speaker 1 2:47

Do you think? Here's my question Do you think that if you hadn't started a podcast, that I would have started one of my own?

Speaker 2 2:54

No, probably not Okay.

Speaker 1 2:56

I just wondered because you're like rather than you starting. I don't see me. This isn't something I would have done.

Speaker 2 3:01

Well, no, okay, you have over the past year going well. If I do a podcast, this is what I would do, this is what I would talk about. So it just felt like the Lord was just leading this direction.

Speaker 1 3:17

We're bringing the Lord into it.

Speaker 2 3:19

Well, you know, I felt like it was. I didn't want to just stop, because I really like doing this.

Speaker 1 3:27

Yeah.

Speaker 2 3:28

But I do feel like you know, remember when we were living in Africa and, uh, henry Blackaby's son came and he talked and he was like the whole point is not try to spin up something new but find what God is doing and just get in that and so, and we asked him what to do about some stuff.

Speaker 1 3:47

And he told us, and we totally didn't do it.

Speaker 2 3:49

He told us exactly what to do.

Speaker 1 3:51

He gave us exact, which is not like anyone to ever do.

Speaker 2 3:54

No.

Speaker 1 3:55

Like he said, do this In remembrance of me.

Speaker 2 3:59

No he said do this, and we didn't.

Speaker 1 4:02

No Matter of fact, we had All hell broke loose do this, and we didn't.

Speaker 2 4:06

No matter of fact, we had all hell broke loose no, I have the headphones on right now and you can't do that because I just heard yeah, um, we, we asked him about a specific and he specifically told us what to do. He did go home and do this and this, yeah and we were like well, actually, no, we were, remember. We were like we're gonna do this, and then we got home we're like well, yeah, we kind of like this situation.

Speaker 1 4:30

Yeah, maybe we don't want to do that so, um, anyways.

Speaker 2 4:34

So I just to me it feels like, and one of the comments we got, first of all, all the comments were positive. They're like yes, can't. A couple of people gave us name suggestions for you, oh Like where are we going in this handbasket? But you know, I did just like the thing you just said.

Speaker 1 4:53

My side of the story.

Speaker 2 4:54

Yeah, so sorry. I glitched there for a second, I lost my train of thought. Oh, somebody commented.

Speaker 1 5:06

Jennifer, I think you should still have Jeremy on it Sometimes, didn't they say sometimes, sometimes, sometimes? Yeah, I need Jeremy on it all the time.

Speaker 2 5:13

Our friend, carl asked Drew, hey, are you Drew from Jennifer's podcast? So anyways, I'm happy to do it with you Good, and I'm happy to help you if you ever want to plan anything, which I know really goes against every it goes against.

Speaker 1 5:33

It's like bending my fingernails.

Speaker 2 5:34

Yeah, every fiber in your body. It does.

Speaker 1 5:37

What is wrong with me? You can't stand a plan you know sometimes we need to go through the variants and the yeah.

Speaker 2 5:43

You know what we could do that next week? The instinctual variants, the instinctual variants?

Speaker 1 5:46

That would be interesting, because I mean my instinctual variant that goes against everything. Yeah.

Speaker 2 5:52

That's my blind card. You don't Blind spot, blind spot. Yeah, you don't like a plan.

Speaker 1 5:57

I don't like a plan.

Speaker 2 5:58

Except sometimes, before we play music, you will want to know the set list.

Speaker 1 6:05

Yeah, which is?

Speaker 2 6:06

really weird.

Speaker 1 6:07

Yeah, or I like to make a plan. Sometimes when we're going on vacation, I want to make sure I see everything.

Speaker 2 6:13

Yeah, sometimes we would have new people come out on the road with us, whether they were maybe sitting in in the band or working in production or whatever sitting in in the band or working in production or whatever. And you know all, all of us that were normal, um, you know that are all all of our regular people. They knew that kind of our rhythm is we practice songs and then there's no set list, right, we just kind of feel it out from the audience and I had these certain hand signals or I would go back and just kind of whisper to everybody is what we're doing next. And we kind of had a flow. Everybody knew. Okay, if we're doing this song.

Speaker 2 6:48

this one's probably coming, but then we would have these people come in that weren't regulars and they go hey, can I get a set list from you? And I'd go, actually no.

Speaker 1 7:00

Sorry.

Finding a New Flow

Speaker 2 7:02

And people. I remember people would ask you guys to go how do you decide where you're gonna play? And you guys would go. I don't know, we just go out there and jeremy tells us what to do but that's not this and it look. It may take us, you know, bear with us.

Speaker 1 7:13

It may take us a little time to find a flow right, yeah, for sure and you're thinking about having guests yes, I am, and we have a different we we moved downstairs, yeah you.

Speaker 2 7:23

Yeah, you know, this suits you way better.

Speaker 1 7:26

Than that hole up there with all the posters.

Speaker 2 7:30

Yeah, this is.

Speaker 1 7:30

Yeah, I mean, this doesn't even feel permanent, but it's nice to be in some natural light.

Speaker 2 7:35

Yeah, I've had people ask me before how to describe you and I go, or they'll say like what do you love about Jennifer?

Speaker 1 7:44

People ask you that. Oh yeah, weird, isn't it obvious?

Speaker 2 7:48

Maybe yeah, totally what I saw in the bathroom up there. Yeah, it's obvious.

Speaker 1 7:55

What does that mean, that lip?

Speaker 2 7:56

thing you're doing. Oh, good Lord. I came into the bathroom just now, before we did it, because I wanted to shave and she had something on her lips. I'm doing that lip stain.

Speaker 1 8:08

It's like you put it on and then you let it dry and then you rip it off. I was totally influenced by my Instagram.

Speaker 2 8:15

Who was?

Speaker 1 8:15

it. It's just random People are. They're just selling it.

Speaker 2 8:18

It's so gross, though, before you take it off, yeah, it's so dark. Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 8:22

It's scary, it's like corpse-ish. Yeah, it's really weird, it's scary.

Speaker 2 8:25

But it might take us a minute to get in the flow and you'll just have to decide what topics we're going to talk about. I feel like, if it is, you know, my side of the story, or the gospel, according to Jennifer, whatever it ends up being, you need to be in charge of the topics and the guests. And then we'll be all right, we'll just move through it.

Speaker 1 8:48

Well, we have to talk about Charlie Kirk today.

Speaker 2 8:50

Yeah.

Speaker 1 8:52

I mean, I felt bad last week because we had recorded yes, and did it happen that day?

Speaker 2 8:58

An hour later.

Speaker 1 8:59

Yeah, oh my gosh, it was so horrible. Drew left, right, because we left and went to get lunch and went to get our tire fixed.

Speaker 2 9:06

We were sitting at the Taziki's outside and you said because I think that this will be a. I remember where I was moment for so many people, don't you think?

Speaker 1 9:18

Yeah, yeah, it's wild, I mean. So we were at Taziki and I'm on this group text with um a bunch of people who are who think like me.

Speaker 2 9:28

I think they're worse than you.

Speaker 1 9:30

You don't even know them anyway.

Speaker 2 9:32

So you're on a group text with what is it? Six other guys.

Speaker 1 9:36

No, there's some women in there.

Speaker 2 9:37

I have not.

Speaker 1 9:38

I've only met one of two of them, and one of them briefly like, and the other one, I mean both of them, I hardly, hardly know. So it's just kind of funny that I'm in this group text. But um, so I got it said charlie kirk was just shot and I mean it was it must have just happened.

Speaker 2 9:55

Right because we were having already having a deep and meaningful. Right because you were kind of helping me process through some stuff that I had remembered you were dealing with some stuff and I was like, please hold, yeah, charlie Kirk.

Speaker 1 10:10

So then we saw a video from far away and it was like, oh well, maybe he can be okay yeah and then we went to the tire place and we were still checking the news and then, while we were sitting there, I saw a close-up video that I wish I hadn't seen.

Speaker 2 10:25

Yeah.

Speaker 1 10:26

It was horrible.

Speaker 2 10:27

Yeah, that second one that you showed me was not. It wasn't the closest close-up, but it was enough to go.

Speaker 1 10:33

There's no way.

Speaker 2 10:34

And then we saw the one you know, right from his left.

Speaker 1 10:38

Yeah, that's the one I'm talking about.

Speaker 2 10:40

And that one was.

Speaker 1 10:41

It was yeah, there was no way. You know people talk about like seeing movies and getting you can turn that way You're shadowed a little bit.

Speaker 2 10:49

Okay, people talk about seeing movies and getting desensitized and then they say you can't tell reality from fiction, but you can. Well, and I do think- when you know the person is alive and then they're not it's-.

Speaker 1 11:03

God, it's just so crazy. And I listen to him all the time.

Speaker 2 11:09

Right, you had more of a relationship.

Speaker 1 11:11

I feel like I had a relationship with this kid. I mean, he feels like a nephew. Yeah, well, he could be your kid.

Speaker 2 11:19

What was he? 31?

Speaker 1 11:20

Yeah.

Speaker 2 11:20

And you're what? 64? Shut up. No, he could have been your kid.

Speaker 1 11:25

I mean, I would have been very young, right.

Speaker 2 11:27

No, you'd have been 19.

Speaker 1 11:28

That's young.

Speaker 2 11:30

Right Mom was 17.

Speaker 1 11:31

Well, right, but that's very young, that's crazy young yeah true, okay. So yeah, I mean, yes, he could have been my kid, but he feels like that kind of thing. I don't know. I don't know why we all feel I've I've read a couple of things about why we all feel so, um, affected by it Like maybe we just all felt like we had this relationship with him, even people who didn't listen to him.

Speaker 2 11:56

Yeah, well, they. They call it parasocial relationships. So my understanding of it is you know, most of our relationships are um, either you know about me, I know about you from like a friend, or whatever but we don't know each other, or we do know each other, but these are weird because we know all about them and they don't know we exist.

Speaker 1 12:22

He doesn't even know I exist.

Speaker 2 12:23

Yeah, this is what happens when people. This is what happened when people used to walk up to us in an autograph line. Remember. It would be like they would be like. I feel like we know you through your music.

Speaker 1 12:31

Right.

Speaker 2 12:32

And then we had to like go, oh, you know.

Speaker 1 12:34

Oh, thanks, yeah, you just kind of feel bad.

Speaker 2 12:37

Yeah, and in a way they did know us.

Speaker 1 12:39

Right right.

Speaker 2 12:41

I've had this with a couple of the authors that I really love that I've gotten to meet, and it's awkward because I'm telling them how their stories have affected me. And they know nothing about me.

Speaker 1 12:53

And they're like okay.

Speaker 2 12:55

Well, that happened the other day in New York, remember, we met Dusty Slay.

Speaker 1 13:00

Which, okay, Jeremy is obsessed with Dusty Slay.

Speaker 2 13:03

I do love Dusty Slay, which is so funny because you have a type I do because you say that dusty sleigh and I are the same person.

Speaker 1 13:11

Oh my gosh you are.

The Charlie Kirk Tragedy

Speaker 2 13:12

If dusty sleigh would ever agree to come on this podcast, there would be this weird. I'm seriously like a vortex would open up and all you two would open a portal into another universe.

Speaker 1 13:24

I know.

Speaker 2 13:24

I mean, it's like you try to put Dusty Slay into a box and then he'll say something like well, you can't label him like that, no, no, it's the same with you. You're like you put Jennifer in this box and all of a sudden you're like, no, nope, I don't, this is these aren't, this is not where I belong. And then you're like, ok, well, you fit there. And you're like, oh, nope, she doesn't fit there.

Speaker 1 13:44

Well, and he has some. It's funny because he has some weird stuff, like I do. I mean like he doesn't rake his leaves, Like that's one of my big ones. People bring him leaves to shows and stuff. Yep, because it's better for your yard. And yeah, you know what?

Speaker 1 14:00

But, we met Dusty Right. We were waiting for Sadie for something or something. I come out of the building. I had just dropped her off. I don't know what we were doing, and you were gone and I was like and Sadie's like I think that's Dusty Slay and you were down talking to him, yeah, so he walks by and I saw him and I was like should I or shouldn't I?

Speaker 2 14:19

Because I mean I see a lot of people that are famous and most I mean I see a lot of people that are famous and most of the time I just am like but Dusty, you do feel like.

Speaker 1 14:27

you know you spend a lot of time with Dusty.

Speaker 2 14:29

I do and I really, really like him. And so he goes by and he's probably now 20 or 30 feet down the block and I just go, hey, dusty, like I know him, yeah, and he turns around and he's like's, like, hey, how are you doing?

Speaker 1 14:46

I can't really do his voice. You can do him pretty good actually, but he's like, hey, how are you and he's got like what did he have? He had like fruit and water a big thing of water bananas yes, and some bananas, yeah, and I tried to tell him some clean places to go eat, because he's so picky about what he eats but anyway, it was so funny.

Speaker 2 15:04

um, but I even said to him I was like oh, I just realized we really know you and we just last night watched your special.

Speaker 1 15:10

Oh right, because his special that's why he was in. New York, because his special had just come out.

Speaker 2 15:14

So he just watched the special we did.

Speaker 1 15:17

In the hotel.

Speaker 2 15:18

And I was like I just realized you don't know us at all. Sorry I said that right to him and he was kind of like yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1 15:24

Yeah, I don't know you, can I go now?

Speaker 2 15:26

And I had met him one time before at the Nashville airport and I, you know I didn't, but he was sitting there and I was like, oh, I want to go say hi to Dusty Slay, and Hutch was with me.

Speaker 1 15:36

Oh dear, you can't do anything like that with Hutch.

Speaker 2 15:46

No, and so I did go over to him and he was. He was sitting down waiting to get on the plane. I I was standing up and it felt weird, so I did yeah, hutch goes. Please don't tell me you did the kneel down. But I didn't want to stand over him and talk at him, so I just sort of knelt one knee down in front of him. Anyways, I probably could have said in new york I'm the kneel down guy.

Speaker 1 16:04

He'd have been like oh. I remember you I remember that? That was weird yeah.

Speaker 2 16:09

Okay, so um.

Speaker 1 16:11

Yeah, so we saw that video. It was horrible, horrible. We knew at that point that they kept saying well, you know, nobody really knows yet.

Speaker 2 16:20

But everybody did. But well, once we saw that you said there's no way. Well, because on that particular video they had run it unedited. It was horrible you could see them trying to get him into the SUV and there was quite a bit of blood that was just following him.

Speaker 1 16:37

Well, yeah, it was just awful yeah.

Speaker 2 16:39

You probably have more of a parasocial relationship with him than I do. Oh, for sure I knew who he was and I'd watch some clips, but you consumed his content.

Speaker 1 16:48

Oh yeah, and I'd listen to Thought Crime. He was on Thought Crime with Jack Posobiec. I'd listen to that every week, and so I felt like I knew him.

Speaker 2 16:55

Yeah, and you also.

Speaker 1 16:57

there's a certain little boy that you just love, I just love little boys.

Speaker 2 17:03

He's still got that baby face. Yes, he was just like the sweetest little boy.

Speaker 1 17:08

I just felt like I needed to protect him.

Speaker 2 17:09

That's you. Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 17:11

And so it just kills me, it breaks my heart, I mean, as it does everybody.

Speaker 2 17:15

Yeah.

Speaker 1 17:16

But I don't know, I'm caught between being angry, being sad. Yeah, I don't want to lose the moment because of the revival that seems to be happening.

Speaker 2 17:28

Yeah.

Speaker 1 17:29

But I do feel like we're being kind of sold a bill of goods with this single shooter. I mean, I know it was one shot and one shooter, but I'm not sure he worked alone. But I'm kind of like at this point it's not the time, like maybe it's not the time for that right at this point.

Speaker 2 17:48

It's not the time, like, maybe it's not the time for that, right? Yeah, I mean you. I could watch the grief play out with you last week.

Speaker 1 17:54

Oh, I was a mess.

Speaker 2 17:59

At first you were in shock and that day we didn't talk about it much and you you kind of acted you know air quotes normal because it was the shock of it. Like and and then by, but by Thursday you, you had started to really enter into grief and anger.

Speaker 1 18:13

Yeah, I mean I'm watching the Candace Owen. Have you seen any of this Candace Owen stuff? No Well, I mean just from what I've heard come out of the bathroom, she is so angry.

Speaker 2 18:21

Which, by the way, when I say come out of the bathroom, that's Jennifer listening to stuff in the bathroom.

Speaker 1 18:28

I've said it a couple of times now and it sounds like I spent a lot of time sitting on the toilet. That's what you're when you say that like it's just me brushing my teeth, when I'm brushing my teeth and washing my face and taking a shower and watching hoof videos.

Speaker 2 18:40

I mean, look there, you've you spent more. You spend more time in our master bathroom than in any other room in this house.

Speaker 1 18:50

Well, possibly Look.

Speaker 2 18:52

I get up at 1 in the morning to do like a middle-of-the-night pee and you're in the bathroom, closet on the floor, watching hooves be shaved.

Speaker 1 19:03

Sometimes, sometimes I'm watching the hoof guy from Ireland and I'm like cow hooves, they're so addicting babe.

Speaker 2 19:10

Go come to bed and you're just like in a trance watching cow hooves are so addicting you guys. You try it, I promise that's a sound bite I also got drew told me he's gonna edit this for us, so he just needs to make this one. What did you say? Cow hooves are so addicting.

Speaker 1 19:28

Also chiropractor videos.

Speaker 2 19:30

I got on that for a while. You did get into those for a while.

Speaker 1 19:32

Those are so satisfying, but anyway. So she's really angry. They were. I didn't realize that they were close, really close. So her first video that she came out with was very sweet and she was showing old videos of them when they traveled together and you know very sweet and talked about him. But now she's mad, she's just mad. And so now his pastor's come out and his pastor's wife and some people are saying, hey, we don't want to talk about this.

Speaker 2 20:04

Who? Charlie's pastor? Yeah, pastor, and his wife.

Speaker 1 20:07

People keep walking by. Yeah, charlie's pastor. Why don't they want to talk about it? Who, charlie's pastor? His wife. These people keep walking by.

Speaker 2 20:10

Yeah, charlie's pastor why don't they want to talk? I?

Speaker 1 20:12

don't know, I don't know if they're like hey, we're trying to grieve oh, let's not lose the moment I think that's part of it too like hey, this is a good moment, there are people who are going. I haven't been to church in 10 years and for some reason I feel like I should go now which is amazing, amazing.

Speaker 2 20:27

Yeah, it's great.

Speaker 1 20:28

One to 3 million people in England.

Processing Collective Grief

Speaker 2 20:31

Yeah. Well, this is where. This is where you know I and you know this about me, babe I don't like, uh, I don't like things that divide people. You know I'm a connector and I, I can almost always go okay, I could see, I could see why I could see them doing that, like I mean, yeah, I, I don't. I want to live in a country where there's no abortion, but I can see why somebody would do it.

Speaker 2 20:58

Oh, sure you know what I mean and you and I both can, but I. There is something in this where it's like hey, you know, it's whatever the good people on both sides Like this thing is, there is a definite different reaction and response this time.

Speaker 1 21:18

Oh my gosh, Well, this time. What do you mean by this time? Because every time Right.

Speaker 2 21:22

No.

Speaker 1 21:23

There's a different response and reaction.

Speaker 2 21:25

They're comparing it to like, say, when I say they people who are, you know, forward facing in the media, that people have brought up George Floyd and all that, and I'm like, well, that's a different response. You know, after George Floyd, cities burned.

Speaker 1 21:39

It was chaos.

Speaker 2 21:39

And so I think what we're seeing right now is a testament to his life.

Speaker 1 21:46

I know it's amazing, is a testament to his life.

Speaker 2 21:48

I know it's amazing, Because he wouldn't want for people to be riding and burning Teslas.

Speaker 1 21:53

He wouldn't want that. Yeah, but also I don't think that's how this side would react.

Speaker 2 21:59

This side of you know, that's what I don't like.

Speaker 1 22:02

I realize, but it's true, it's true.

Speaker 2 22:05

If we're just yeah, just for the sake of a conversation you're right. I do think, and I have heard people say well, you know, this didn't happen to you. It didn't, but here's the thing it did happen to us. Now, obviously it dishonors anybody who knew them and who's in the family for us to go okay, we'll feel the same grief, or whatever.

Speaker 1 22:29

Right sure.

Speaker 2 22:30

But I don't know this guy's name, but Charlie is in public. Charlie Kirk was in public enough that if he just wanted to kill Charlie Kirk, he could have found a different time. Like you know, when President Reagan was shot, a guy tried to get as close to him as he could have found a different time, like you know, when, when president Reagan was shot, a guy tried to get as close to him as he could and he shot him.

Speaker 1 22:53

Right.

Speaker 2 22:54

But this was meant to be a statement.

Speaker 1 22:58

Oh sure, you know what I mean. This was president. Reagan was a president. All of the people who have been assassinated before have been politicians.

Speaker 2 23:16

Charlie was not a politician. Okay, sure, which is different?

Speaker 1 23:17

Yeah, and it's just a dude out giving his opinion, but he was in the political sphere.

Speaker 2 23:20

Yeah, I can't say that Sphere.

Speaker 1 23:21

Sphere, sphere.

Speaker 2 23:21

That's one of the words that's on the do not playlist, for my mind Sphere, I can't say what was I trying to say? Oh, what were you saying?

Speaker 1 23:29

What was the word I was trying to say this week?

Speaker 2 23:31

You were trying to talk about Elevation Church and you just kept saying Evelation.

Speaker 1 23:36

Evelation, evelation, worship, yeah, evelation.

Speaker 2 23:40

I get up and I'm having trouble right now.

Speaker 1 23:42

Elevation yes.

Speaker 2 23:43

Well, that's me with explanation point. I've just given it up.

Speaker 1 23:46

You just call it explanation point.

Speaker 2 23:47

Well, it's on the. If I try to say it right, then this happens.

Speaker 1 23:52

It's on the no fly list.

Speaker 2 23:53

It's on the no. I definitely have a no play list. Ex well sphere is on it.

Speaker 1 24:01

Apparently, for a while I couldn't say smir. Now I can't forget it.

Speaker 2 24:05

I can't say Forget it. I can't say Smyrna.

Speaker 1 24:07

Yeah, you cannot say Smyrna you say Smyrna, every time Smyrnoff yeah that you probably call that S whatever is just going well you know, kind of saying the both sides thing and it's like no, we are not the same, this is not the same, and I feel like and we talked about this the other day like they are gaslighting us, Like what you're seeing is not true. Do you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 24:49

I do. I know what you're saying, that you and I get caught up on this a lot. We get caught up on the us, them, they.

Speaker 1 24:55

Also, you don't like when people misuse gaslighting.

Speaker 2 24:59

I really don't.

Speaker 1 24:59

Once I explained it to you, you said yes, this is gaslighting.

Speaker 2 25:03

There are people that are doing some of that. The gaslighting the point of gaslighting is to get someone to doubt their own ability to perceive reality correctly.

Speaker 1 25:12

Right.

Speaker 2 25:14

And so before all the facts are in and everybody's just making up theories, that's just theorizing. But now that we're seeing actual facts and a manifesto and a text thread to his friends and stuff written on etched on ammunition, we're seeing that, and if someone tells us we're not, then that's gaslighting.

Speaker 1 25:37

Well, for the longest time they were trying to say he was from. Oh, he was a right wing activist. Well, he obviously wasn't. We don't.

Speaker 2 25:44

Yeah, that's the thing, and I always tell you you know we can have a fight on the air if you want. But I always say, well, we don't know and that bothers you.

Speaker 1 25:51

But we do know.

Speaker 2 25:52

Some of this stuff. You're correct, we do know.

Speaker 1 25:54

Thank you for saying I'm correct, but we do know and we have proof that yeah, I mean, this was, he was not. It's not the same, it is not the same response. I mean, if this were to happen to, let's say, rachel Maddow, it would be a different animal, would you agree?

Speaker 2 26:16

Yeah, talking about Rachel Maddow is hard for me because I always think of Mad Cow.

Speaker 1 26:22

Okay, well, rachel Maddow, well.

Speaker 2 26:24

No, and so like.

Speaker 1 26:26

Okay, think of someone.

Speaker 2 26:27

I know what you mean, but who?

Speaker 1 26:28

would equal Charlie Kirk. On the other side, I can't think of anyone, maybe Bill Maher.

Speaker 2 26:32

Or let's just say it happened to Van Jones, who I know he's not at the level.

Speaker 1 26:36

Right.

Speaker 2 26:36

But a black liberal guy. Yes, I do think the response would be different. And look, we don't know if it would, but I something I would. Just if God can make beauty out of this, I want to celebrate that.

Speaker 1 26:55

Right.

Speaker 2 26:56

You know, I don't have the kind of bandwidth that you have for intensely thinking something and then just kind of you know, you're, you, you've always you're always good at compartments. I mean, you always have been.

Speaker 1 27:12

I'm not sure it's healthy. Well, in some ways it is.

Speaker 2 27:15

Yeah, If you're in the MT it's healthy, but like you're able to put something in a compartment and then three days later, or six days later, or eight days later or a year later, you'll come to me and go hey, okay, I think I'm ready to talk about that. Days later, or eight days later, or a year later, you'll come to me and go hey, okay, I think I'm ready to talk about that. I'm like, oh, that thing that I did when we were engaged.

Speaker 1 27:31

Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 27:32

That, but I I do think that there's something else going on this time. I mean, when you have a couple hundred thousand people in other places, you know, showing up to worship and stuff.

Speaker 1 27:45

I love that. It's amazing, I mean, it's really. I just I wish he could see it. I do too, but I mean he probably can, I don't know.

Speaker 2 27:53

but but my, you know, my friend Michelle and I were talking the other day and she helped me kind of realize this that you know it used to be where everybody got the same news right, like when our parents were young they watched, you know.

Speaker 1 28:08

Walter Cronkite or whatever, yeah.

Speaker 2 28:09

Isn't he the one that announced the Kennedy Accession Like?

Speaker 1 28:13

everybody watched at the same time.

Speaker 2 28:14

Maybe, maybe, and you know, with the moon landing, everybody listened to that at the same time.

Speaker 1 28:18

Okay.

Speaker 2 28:21

And then you know, over time the networks started to change the way they presented the news, but it was still the same news.

Speaker 1 28:29

Right.

Media, News Bubbles and Gaslighting

Speaker 2 28:30

And then we got cable news and we could choose. But what Michelle and I were talking about is she's like everybody now gets their own news channel. Like the algorithm decides what we see, and it decides, hoping that we'll keep coming back yeah and so it's trying to make us mad and trying to make us scared. Those are the two things well, I don't feel scared.

Speaker 1 28:56

I mean, weirdly, where are you headed? I don't feel um, this didn't make me feel scared at all, which I think is interesting. I don't know, maybe it I think it kind of freaked you out a little bit.

Speaker 2 29:09

You said Well, I mean.

Speaker 1 29:12

You're not by your microphone.

Speaker 2 29:13

I wasn't as much freaked out. I just would you know, for the time being, be cautious of the big crowds you're in and stuff. I mean Hutch went right out onto the road and you were like he's going to be in public at a Christian thing.

Speaker 1 29:27

Well, I was freaked out a little bit about that because he was going to play a worship night in a park and it was like the next day and I was like I don't know about that.

Speaker 2 29:36

I just so you say you're not scared, you're mad. Well, victory. They like one or the other. They're the most to activating emotions and they're the most, too, activating emotions and they're the ones that will make us pay attention. So if you see someone really scared, if you see some really angry, you're going to pay attention. We pay attention to things that make us scared or mad, and so we're all getting this our own news channel and cats.

Speaker 1 30:06

Yeah, I get a lot of cats. I mean, I know what she's saying, um I. I mean as far as news, though I do try to watch all the news channels.

Speaker 1 30:13

As far as tv, no, you do I try to watch all the news channels, even though it's maddening, especially with this story. It has been maddening and what they're saying now about oh, it's just a sweet love story and he wanted to protect his boyfriend that's transitioning into a woman and I'm like, wait, it's not a sweet love story. This guy killed someone in cold blood, and the fact that you're even saying that on the news right now makes me want to hurt you, I know. I mean, it is so maddening.

Speaker 2 30:46

I know it's the Barbara of Seville. It's like of Seville, like it's like okay, no, oh they.

Speaker 1 30:53

He takes people down and chops them up and kill. You know what I mean. It's just like whenever that sweet little girl was killed on that train recently and Van Jones says well, we don't know what that guy's going through. Well, I don't give a rat's ass what that guy's going through.

Speaker 1 31:03

I know I don't care what that guy's going through. I know I don't care what that guy's going through. We're all going through something. I'm not murdering someone on a train because I'm having a bad day or a bad life. I'm sorry. Yeah, I, I don't care.

Speaker 1 31:17

I don't care well that there's the name of your podcast seriously I I, jennifer deibler, doesn't care, and I'm, and so it's just maddening that anyone would even say such a thing, and even that was days before Charlie was killed and Van Jones was saying that Charlie Kirk was spewing hate.

Speaker 2 31:37

Yeah.

Speaker 1 31:38

And I'm like, I feel like he has freaking blood on his hands.

Speaker 2 31:41

I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 31:42

But see, you can't do that, why can't I? He can't get on television, on television to millions of people and say this guy is spewing hate and expect people not to take that to heart and go. Oh well, then I need to. And he even said in his text messages I'm tired of the hate that he says, I'm tired of all the hate that he spews.

Speaker 2 32:05

But even if he picks it up as hate, he still can't go kill somebody. You can't make.

Speaker 1 32:10

Van Jones, I know you can't.

Speaker 2 32:11

I don't think Van Jones has blood on his hands.

Speaker 1 32:13

What I'm saying is.

Speaker 2 32:15

That guy Van Jones didn't pick up a rifle.

Speaker 1 32:16

I know he didn't, but I'm tired of I mean, and they say oh well, we just, but we all need to calm down the rhetoric. Talking about the right needs to calm down their rhetoric. Well, they're not the one calling people fascist.

Speaker 2 32:31

Nazis. I thought you were going to say something else. What? I thought you were going to say something else, oh, okay.

Speaker 1 32:37

And so I mean that is what the lady that was running for president said that we were fascists. What in the world?

Speaker 2 32:47

I know.

Speaker 1 32:48

I mean so. I'm sorry, it is not the same, we are not the same. Both sides are not the same. I'm not. I'll die on that hill.

Speaker 2 32:58

Stay fresh cheese bags, we're out.

Speaker 1 33:00

Exactly. Yeah, this is going to be a short one. We got to sort out how this is going to go. But yeah, peace out Watershed. I mean you're going to get some comments from that for sure Do we have any comments from what we wanted to talk about?

Speaker 2 33:11

Let me just say I mean, you're you. I feel like you are more. You're going to feel different. Well, not just you. All of us are going to feel a little different. Because I do a lot of grief counseling, I know that it's weird how a week will go by. Yeah, and you mark a week and then you feel a little different after that week.

Speaker 2 33:35

And I think all of us are feeling mad and sad and scared and so we need and when I say scared I don't think we're scared- yeah, what do you mean by that?

Speaker 1 33:46

Well, I don't think that we're scared for being shot Like but I think, I think Scared of the way the country's going.

Speaker 2 33:54

maybe yes, I think maybe we're going, oh this. Well, that is wild, yeah Right, and I wonder if this is how you know, when our parents were little and they shot JFK and RFK, I was saying I can't imagine how that must have felt. Right.

Speaker 1 34:09

They shot those JFK, MLK, RFK. All right then.

Speaker 2 34:14

Yeah.

Speaker 1 34:15

Within, I wonder. I'd like to know.

Speaker 2 34:16

I don't know the history on it.

Speaker 1 34:18

Well, and then there was Shep Aquitic, I know they were all close in time and I can't imagine going through that. And I think also if Trump would have been shot and killed back in June, I can't imagine what that would have done.

Speaker 2 34:30

Okay, I totally agree.

Speaker 1 34:34

Oh my gosh, Just the hopelessness we feel with Charlie Kirk getting shot and a lot of people didn't even know who he was. I can't imagine someone that public didn't even know who he was.

Speaker 2 34:44

I can't imagine someone that public. But here's, here's the thing that I and I'm not trying to silver lining this because that I mean that's the worst thing you can do for someone who's going through this but because I I didn't know Charlie Kirk personally and I didn't consume his content, not because I was against it, I just didn't pay attention. Um, I think probably a lot. Most people who didn't know Charlie Kirk are now paying attention.

Speaker 1 35:09

Yeah, which is so cool because he was so good at what he did. Yeah, he was really good at what he did. He was so good at what he did.

Speaker 2 35:17

And look, I'm just showing my cards from what I've heard of him. Of course I don't agree with everything anybody says, really, but I would but his, his, his ability to get people to listen and, you know, in front of a couple thousand people have this like, even though it's quick one-on-one conversation with somebody and respect their view, and I mean he just so. But what I think, the thing that I'm paying attention to, is that you know, this will be a I remember where I was moment.

Speaker 1 35:54

Yeah.

Speaker 2 35:55

For a lot of people, and even kids, who maybe didn't pay attention to Charlie Kirk. They're going to remember when their parents talked. You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 36:04

Yeah. And so I, it seems like Kids do pay attention, because he comes across on their TikTok, it comes across on their reels.

Speaker 2 36:13

So I think, you know, I think that we're going to again gosh, I wouldn't want for this to happen, but even a week into it, we are seeing some beauty come from it. People are paying attention, like you said, people are, you know, and my friend, Brian Yakuboski when dad died, you know I was up there for the funeral came back and I mean, you remember how I didn't really process any of that until we got back here and, uh, I spent the next week just sort of in a kind of in a what do I do now, kind of thing. Um, and Brian called me and he said, man, I haven't was praying for you today and I think I really just want to encourage you to lean into tenderness right now, he said, because you could lean into bitterness and you're allowed, but you know where that goes or you could lean into tenderness and see if some beauty can come of this. And I didn't really. I don't know that I wanted to hear that right then, but I really didn't need to. And he delivered it, so loving.

Speaker 2 37:31

I know that he cares about me and uh, and I feel like I did try to lean into. I think what he said helped and so, if we can, I think it would honor him if we could somehow stay tender in this.

Speaker 1 37:44

I don't think that charlie would want.

Speaker 2 37:47

I don't think that he would want this to be charlie kirk's war, like after he dies, and well, I think we've proved that.

Speaker 1 37:54

It's not that I mean either. It's not turned into a war, except for trying to figure out the truth right that's kind of a war, and then also the fact that people are literally celebrating. It is just that's insane, sickening and I, and so that's hard that's really hard to deal with because there's and sadie has told us she's seen tons of kids reels just celebrating yeah and that is scary that there's something wrong with the person who does that, and that is a scary thought Like what is wrong with you?

Speaker 1 38:28

I heard one girl say why are we stopping with just him? His wife and kids need to go. They believe the same way he does. Why are we stopping with just him? And I'm like what are you talking about? I mean, I just I don't know what is wrong with people. I don't know how. I don't know what is wrong with people. I don't know how. I don't know how to handle that. Yeah, that is a scary thought that there are people out there who would do that.

Speaker 2 39:07

What do you think when I say like what if I? Say you know what it's, make yourself aware of the things that are going on, but it it doesn't help you, it doesn't help us to pay attention to that meaninglessness I mean, no, I know, but I do think that that just goes back to the gaslighting thing of we need to calm down the rhetoric well that that's even different than somebody celebrating, so that the celebrating thing is just, there's just what I'm saying is if someone van jones was murdered, no one that I could I mean follow talk to.

Speaker 1 39:36

You know, no one would celebrate someone on the left being murdered yeah they just wouldn't this is weird.

Finding Beauty Amid Tragedy

Speaker 2 39:45

This is the most you and I have talked about this. Well, because you know we, even though our kids are older, we still don't want to have this on with the kids around, and you know and it annoys hutch yeah and sadie and in a way, it didn't. It didn't happen to us. You know, we gotta live our life. It's just this weird parallel, like it's this, it's this like strange um adjacency, like we're adjacent to we're not really in it, but it's national you're right, but I'm just saying like I'm just realizing right now.

Speaker 2 40:21

We've talked this is probably the most we've talked about it.

Speaker 1 40:24

Well, yeah, probably, and you've needed to.

Speaker 2 40:28

You're so much more of a verbal processor than you ever thought you were?

Speaker 1 40:32

I know I really have to talk about stuff you do, I know.

Speaker 2 40:35

And I actually have become less of one.

Speaker 1 40:39

Well, I think you thought you were, but you really. You get in a funk and just get quiet.

Speaker 2 40:45

I mean just the other night you're like what's going on with you?

Speaker 1 40:48

Yeah, and I didn't, I didn't even, you were just like well, I got sick, but I didn't even.

Speaker 2 40:52

I didn't even um, I didn't know that I was not being verbal. Do you know what I mean? That's what's so weird about the, the dynamic that you and I have. Is that our public thing? Whatever it is or was or whatever you just want me to be the spokesperson for it. So badly so, I mean, but it's the only way.

Speaker 1 41:15

It's always been.

Speaker 2 41:16

It's the only context that that when that's what you want, like you get the 90 minutes of the show and whenever the mics are on, but that that is not us. Like you are much more opinionated, know it all, ish. Like you know, come on and you probably, you definitely know more facts than I do because you pay attention, but when, when we're not in front of a microphone, it is not us. You are a verbal processor. If you're in a car with three other people and there's an elephant in there, oh, I can't.

Speaker 1 41:55

I can't handle an elephant in the room. I cannot, I will. I'll say something.

Speaker 2 42:01

I mean I've been going through some spiritual stuff in the past where her and I will talk about it, and then a friend will come to the house and I'll say something. I mean we've I've been going through some spiritual stuff in the past where I, her and I will talk about it, and then a friend will come to the house and I'll say to I'll be like hey, I'll be like hey, can you like, can you?

Speaker 1 42:13

not, yeah, I'll just.

Speaker 2 42:15

I'll just be like, hey, this is probably going to come between me and this guy, and she'll be like oh yeah, how do you feel about this? How do you feel about this?

Speaker 1 42:29

and I'll be like babe, didn't I specifically say like my sister in the car on that road trip? Oh my gosh please, whatever you do, don't bring this up. Don't bring this up. And I I mean literally, it was the last leg of the road trip and I was just just like bleh, I had to. I couldn't handle it. I came home, I can't handle it.

Speaker 2 42:48

I felt like and I know this is being kind of vague, but I don't want to I felt like the Lord and this is I'm trying to think maybe three or four times in my life that I have kind of asked the Lord for something and it's come kind of quick. The Lord for something, and it's come kind of quick and it's been kind of out of left field and it almost feels like it has a voice. No, it's not audible, but I mean I'm 50 and this has happened like three times. So it happens to me. This is probably 2011,. 2012.

Speaker 1 43:16

It was 2012. Because I remember when.

Speaker 2 43:18

I go home and I tell Jennifer. I said, hey, I know this is weird and random, but I think that we're moving to California in February. And now, what's weird about this? This is May it was very specific. And I said so look, I want to tell you because I just want you to know that I feel like I heard that, but I want you to put this in the vault and I don't want you to ever tell anyone.

Speaker 1 43:49

Yeah.

Speaker 2 43:50

Because if it is God, let's just see it play out.

Speaker 1 43:53

And what did I do?

Speaker 2 43:54

The next day.

Speaker 1 43:56

I literally told my friend.

Speaker 2 43:58

The next day I was just like hey, guess what.

Speaker 1 44:03

I'm so sorry, I can't hold it.

Speaker 2 44:05

You're more. If I don't want you to tell somebody something, I'm better off just not saying that and you're more likely to forget. It's like when, brian, but if I tell you don't tell anybody, that's right.

Speaker 1 44:17

If you say, hey, put this in the vault, it's really hard. Well, it depends on what it is. If it's a good thing, like I, was excited to move to California.

Speaker 2 44:24

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 44:25

But I mean, if it's a.

Speaker 2 44:27

I know.

Speaker 1 44:27

If it's a serious thing, I can hold it in.

Speaker 2 44:30

You can.

Speaker 1 44:31

Well, I mean not on that road trip. I did a bad job.

Speaker 2 44:34

I know it's like holding a fart. You cannot do it at all. I held it in that whole trip. I had to get it out. It was not healthy for me. Oh my gosh, I had to let that go, that thing, that you let go the car too, man.

Speaker 1 44:54

The thing that you let go was told to me by someone who said I don't want I don't want anyone to know this.

Speaker 2 44:57

Oh wait, no, no that was another time.

Speaker 1 44:57

I'm talking about the road trip with my sisters and my mom oh my gosh, yeah, that blew up, up that blew up, bad yeah.

Speaker 2 45:07

But you know, look, the good thing is it didn't thwart God. You know what I mean. The thing still happened. It was just like you could not, not.

Speaker 1 45:17

I know I'm sorry, hey, if you think of anybody you want us to talk to.

Speaker 2 45:22

Yeah, um we're, we actually need to roll out here. A couple of things I want to say, because this is, you know, for now, the gospel according to Jennifer, or her side of the story, whatever. A couple of you have already done this, but I would love for you to send in topics.

Speaker 1 45:41

Yeah, that's what I want.

Speaker 2 45:42

That you want her to talk about. Yes, because she gets nervous enough to talk on the mic that she'll like practice, I will oh yeah, if I tell you ahead of time, you'll start thinking about it.

Speaker 1 45:53

Oh, I'll think about it.

Speaker 2 45:54

I won't like practice no, but you'll be like, okay, I need to take this, oh no, I will like if.

Speaker 1 45:58

If I have a topic, I'll study it yeah, on it in my brain, yeah, yeah yeah, I'll think about it hard, so let me know so bring it on is there anything?

Speaker 2 46:08

else you want to say before we go I don't think so we did get a comment from the guy. You remember how there was this whole thing that you called drew fat yes, it's just I mean and so you actually did.

Speaker 2 46:20

Don't feel like it was really me calling drew fat, but whatever yeah so there was a guy last week that that me and I read his message where he had the transcript of Jennifer, actually sort of calling Drew fat, and so he wrote me what's up, jeremy, I forgot all about my last message to you until you surprised my wife and I as we were listening to the podcast. This week Lots of laughs anyway. So they were listening, they had no idea.

Speaker 1 46:45

Oh, this week Lots of laughs Anyway, so they were listening.

Speaker 2 46:47

They had no idea.

Speaker 1 46:47

Oh how funny, you're fat.

Speaker 2 46:49

Tell Jennifer she doesn't owe me anything except first in line to host a house show. Oh, fun For the 30-year anniversary One of these Days project.

Speaker 1 46:58

Oh yes, hey, we need to do that. Do you guys think we should do that? I think we should do the 30-year.

Speaker 2 47:09

We talked to do that. Do you guys think we should do that? I think we should do the 30 year. We talked about it last week, but and and he said it, maybe let's do it maybe a spot on the guest list for the podcast if you come through town. My wife and I have been huge fans of ffh since high school oh my gosh, so we would, uh, so we would love to hear some new music and even have you in indiana, which I think that's doable yeah, let's do that like a one of these days release show at this guy's house.

Speaker 1 47:28

Well, I mean, I think like maybe, if I don't know, if we should do like, how should we do it? Should we do like a Kickstarter-y kind of thing and have like a if you donate this, much blah blah blah. Or do we just do house shows? I think, if you could organize some kind of, if you can order, organize some kind of like I'm now running a podcast and a quick start, that's right.

Plans for Future Episodes

Speaker 2 47:51

Um, if you can, if you can get it going, great, I I would love to do this project. I would love to be able to just fund it ourselves. But you know, I've, I am, I'm busier than I've been in a long time.

Speaker 1 48:08

And so you could still use some clients.

Speaker 2 48:10

Right, I got three client spots open. What here's what's weird I got three paying client spots open. So, jennifer and me, when we started to do this work with Soul Care and we both felt like, yeah, you've got this training, you should do it.

Speaker 2 48:24

um, we started a non-profit and so I I try not to turn away clients based on money yeah so I have got tons of clients thankfully I do have a good chunk of paying clients and then I've got a couple that are scholarshiped through the non-profit, but I do take a couple more paying ones.

Speaker 1 48:45

You need paying clients.

Speaker 2 48:47

It's just funny.

Speaker 1 48:48

I mean or people to scholarship right the ones who aren't paying which is great.

Speaker 2 48:51

I do have some people that like they'll, they won't work with us anymore because you know, for whatever reason they're finished and they'll go. Hey look, I want to sponsor someone, so even though we're not working together, let me take that money and so, and that is great.

Speaker 1 49:05

So that's also helpful too, yeah.

Speaker 2 49:11

Look, man, people are sad and it's right under the surface. I mean, I went to AAA right before we started recording and I sat with this guy, Alex, and he's wonderful. I don't think we're going to be able to get the thing, it's not going to work out. But we did do about an hour of just processing his dad's death. Sorry his mom's death and his mom got one of the most aggressive forms of ovarian cancer. You can get.

Speaker 2 49:44

He's from LA but he and his wife and their son live here. They were out there visiting for January. He said goodbye to them. His mom ran over like had no idea anything was going on. A couple of weeks later, february, his dad calls and is like hey, man, your mom is sick, she's got cancer. And he said you know, when I hear cancer that's awful, but people don't die of cancer very much.

Speaker 1 50:08

Right, right.

Speaker 2 50:09

So he's thinking, and then he got a call like the next week hey man, you need to come home, you need to. And he's like what? Wow, he gets a call the next week. It's like bump your trip up, get here now.

Speaker 1 50:20

Wow, how sad.

Speaker 2 50:22

I know she was gone. He said you could watch it. You know, usually it's day to day. He said we could watch it. Take her hour by hour.

Speaker 1 50:29

Wow.

Speaker 2 50:31

That's awful. I did some training for this and I've learned you know, what did I say? Three 4,000 hours now of the right questions, but we were in the deep end within three minutes.

Speaker 1 50:51

Right.

Speaker 2 50:56

And man, of course, you know my dad died unexpected, so we were able to talk about that. But it's, you know, on the surface we're talking about health insurance and just underneath somebody's mom just died, right, I mean, it's everybody. Yeah, and so you know, we probably need to be giving each other a lot of grace right now for trying to figure out how to feel.

Speaker 1 51:19

Yes, but we don't excuse you for stabbing someone in the neck on the train no matter what you're going through.

Speaker 2 51:27

That's the line. That's the line.

Speaker 1 51:29

That's where we draw the line. Okay, no grace for that.

Speaker 2 51:32

Also, if you happen to get stabbed in the neck on a train, don't sit back down.

Speaker 1 51:38

Well, I don't know that. You Run around, run around.

Speaker 2 51:42

Like run around.

Speaker 1 51:44

Does anybody know what that's from Run around? We know the talking dog.

Speaker 2 51:48

But I wonder if anybody Don't say it.

Speaker 1 51:50

I wonder if anybody else would know what it was.

Speaker 2 51:52

Look at you. You're showing stomach. Hi being sexy on my podcast I love that shirt like that, tied up, like that.

Speaker 1 51:59

You know, but you can't see it Just you can what, but you can't see it, just you can.

Speaker 2 52:02

What's funny is the sweats that are on underneath. Yes, they're so nice Shout out to Buck Mason. I went to Buck Mason yesterday and I needed to get some hoodies and they are expensive clothes, but I have a couple of pair of pants that are like two or three years old and they've just got little Hutch used to work there so he would get his discount yeah they've got some tears in them and stuff and they're like bring them in, dude. Bring them tomorrow, we will change them out. Crazy.

Speaker 1 52:26

If it's our fault. I don't know how they do that. Yeah, anyway, all right, how do you want to end these? I don't know. This is very rambly. I feel like we're pulling a Brian Smith right now.

Speaker 2 52:35

No no.

Speaker 1 52:39

But I'm saying are come up with one like didn't ellen, wasn't she? Like be kind to each other yeah, isn't that hilarious be kind to one another I'm gonna treat them like crap, but you should, you be kind.

Speaker 2 52:52

I'm not, I'm too rich to be kind yeah, that's right. I don't know, we'll come up with something you need to yeah, you need to come up with a tagline that suits you all right, like stay fresh cheese bags like well, what did you say? Like now it's my turn or my side.

Speaker 1 53:06

My side of the story. All right, all right, see you later.

Speaker 2 53:12

That's how you're doing it.

Speaker 1 53:13

That's how you're going to end it. That's how it's happening. See you later.

Speaker 2 53:22

That's how it's happening, right now you don't want, we could sing it, but don't Tell them your Instagram account.

Speaker 1 53:28

This is my ginstagram and it's not connected to my name at all, so I may have to change that.

Speaker 2 53:34

I disconnected it from my name for obvious reasons, I wonder if we should do just for the time being, since we're kind of migrating our audience just as a placeholder? What if we did the gospel? According to Jennifer, Okay. And that way, as you're figuring out your name, we could at least you know.

Speaker 1 53:50

So I'm changing my? Should I change my Instagram? Yeah, why don't you? All right, then it will be the gospel according to that's gonna be so long.

Speaker 2 53:56

I'll make you one that says I'll make you a little placeholder little logo.

Speaker 1 54:05

Aw yeah, thanks, babe, you're welcome. All right, the gospel according to Jennifer. All right, and what are you on Instagram?

Speaker 2 54:10

I'm just Jeremy, Jeremy Sean Dibler. You know where I am right now Sidecar.

Speaker 1 54:17

You're such a jerk.

Speaker 2 54:17

This is where you've always wanted me.

Speaker 1 54:20

That is not true.

Speaker 2 54:21

Yes, it is. You want to be driving the cycle and steering I know I want to be a ventriloquist. You know that's the way it is.

Speaker 1 54:29

I know, but you I want to say the. I want to speak through you, I want to be the Holy.

Speaker 2 54:32

Ghost for you. We're one of those little German motorcycles where I'm down in the no I've got my little scarf on You're. You have little goggles on Yep, I got my goggles, my scarf, I'm your little dog and you are driving the thing with the mustache and everything.

Speaker 1 54:46

Oh, you love this. You love it Vroom, vroom with Jennifer. I need a break. You do? Cigarette, all right. All right, see you later.