Catch Up with Drew

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Cold Open And Role Swap

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Look at you. Pushing buttons.

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We're rolling.

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Oh my gosh. Push a button, push a button.

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That's me. You're the producer guy now.

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Welcome to the gospel according to Jennifer. Do you notice how when it becomes the gospel according to Jennifer, it just sort of disappeared?

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Yeah.

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It's like a couple great episodes there.

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Oh, thanks. Hey, go look who's here.

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Look who's back. I can't believe I never get invited back places when I leave. I usually burn bridges.

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Well, you didn't.

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I didn't on this one.

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Kinda did, but I've missed you guys. We just let it, we just don't care.

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The bridge was more closed.

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Yeah, you closed the bridge several times.

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No, I felt like I ended this chapter well.

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Closed up, you like made the drawbridge go up and was like, there was no passage.

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Well, it never really fully ended because it was like Jeremy was like, hey, can you just edit this one last one? How many times did I ask you that? All of them so far?

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And then you were like I really don't mind. We were in New York, and you're like, um, so I haven't gotten a podcast from you guys in a while.

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I'm like, well, someone texted in or something, was like, hey, I miss you guys. Where you been? And I I screenshot it, sent over. I was like, hey, your fan misses you.

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Your fan, the one.

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We got a couple of them.

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We have a couple.

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I like this new chapter of you know, you live in and your glory, though. This is great.

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What glory is that?

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Your podcast. You have a podcast.

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Oh, it's so glorious. I called him out this week because he was like, ooh, I'm gonna print out the stuff we can talk about. And I was like, um, excuse me. It's my podcast now. Yeah. You are welcome to have it back.

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Where's your pre-production at?

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I don't have any.

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Yeah.

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I don't have any. We're just gonna hang out.

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And you're producing, which is new. Yeah. You're wearing headphones. How do you sound?

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You guys sound great.

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How do you sound though?

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I mean, fine.

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Not great.

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Yeah.

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Just okay.

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I told somebody this weekend I was playing music, and uh the these other singers had really good voices. I said, I have the Honda Civic of voices. It always shows up. It I never warm it up. It's just it's always the same, it's always there, it's dependable. It's not it gets you around.

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Yeah, I those my first car was a Honda Civic. I love that called a black stallion.

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Listen, they last forever.

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It's great.

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You don't have to warm them up, you just get in and drive.

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I sound the same as I did 15 years ago. I just it's the Honda Civic of voices.

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That's funny that you say that. I I actually hear a lot of your voice in Hutch. I do.

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Gosh, I don't hear that anymore.

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Not I shouldn't say a lot. There's moments where I'm like, oh, that's

Kids, Music, And Vocal Heroes

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interesting.

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Do not tell him that.

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Really? Oh my gosh, he doesn't listen to this, so he'll never know.

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He'll never know.

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He which by the way, can we just shout out like he's doing some both your kids are doing some really cool stuff right now? That's awesome.

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Did you listen to his little EP? I did. Did you?

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As soon as it came out. And I went, I was I think I was the first person who watched the videos because when I watched it, it had like no watches yet. Now it has a bunch.

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Oh well he told us. He goes, somebody already watched.

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That's me. That was you. I was on it.

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That's so good.

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I think I, you know, obviously being friends with you guys, when you have kids, you realize how wonderful it is when people celebrate what your kids are doing. Yeah. Like, do something great for me, fine. But when you like celebrate or care about what my kids are doing, that's the best thing ever.

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Right.

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Um, but they're also like legitimately talented kids.

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Oh, thanks.

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But I all that to say, I hear when Hutch sings, I hear there's moments where I'll be like, that sounded like Jeremy.

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Oh, really? Man, I don't hear it. Really? No, now when Sadie sings, and especially when she's like leading worship at church or something, she really favors Jennifer. It's freaky.

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Um, she's good. I've not heard her sing as much just through like posts that you've made.

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But yeah, because I don't, I mean, yeah, she is good though. She's gotten, I mean, she only started singing, singing, you know, a couple of years ago. So I mean, she's gotten so much better.

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She sings at church too, huh? Not just there.

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She does. I mean, they've kind of Hutch was leading worship at the youth thing at our the church we were going to, and so she would lead with him, but she hasn't been doing that as much because he he doesn't have time to do it. So she's not doing it as much, but she was.

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It's fun to watch. Yeah, fun to see.

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Yeah. They're doing good. She's actually taking voice lessons from Jody McBrier. I know.

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Good grief.

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I know.

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That's amazing. Well, I heard is it Stephanie's her name?

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Uh-huh.

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Yeah, that podcast was great.

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She's great.

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She was great. I mean, it was emotional and it was fun, and I didn't know any of uh that story.

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And yeah, she's such a great storyteller. Yeah. But Jody's been through it. Yeah, I know. And we need to have Jody on.

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I told you my Jody story, right? Me and the Walgreens.

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No.

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I fanboyed, this was not that long ago. I was in the Walgreens here, right by you know, over where we live.

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Oh, okay.

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And Jody's standing behind me in line. You know, he doesn't know who I am, of course, from Adam, but I'm like, this is guy's like my vocal hero.

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Like he's amazing.

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I was listening to him from like when he was in truth because I loved truth when I was a kid. So I knew Jody from Truth, right? And so he's standing behind me. I was like, I don't do this to people, but I got to. Like, I turned around, I was like, hey man, I just love your voice is insane. I love it when you sing. Just like having one of those, I'm just really grateful for yeah, you know, thank thank you for your ministry type of thing.

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Not the Honda Civic of Voices, no, not the Honda Civic of Voices.

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Oh my god. G-Wagon of Voices. And the funny part was so awkward because he was on vocal rest. Oh and he couldn't respond. Oh, they have to like write it down.

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What do you say?

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He would just like like did that kind of thing. I was like, all right, cool, man. And just like finished getting myself at Walgreens and walked out. It was the most awkward. And he was, I could tell he's kind. He wasn't being rude at all.

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He probably made all that up. Yeah.

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It's his go-to for like creepy guys in the Walgreens being like, hey man, I love your voice. He's like, whatever, dude. He's walking.

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You're not gonna hear it.

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You hear him taking a phone call.

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What's up, man? Yeah.

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He won't even let you hear his talking voice. No, he's like, no. That's gonna cost you.

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Yeah. If you want to pay me, I'll talk for you. He gets back in the car to step up. So funny I had to do it again.

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Man, that just had another one.

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Pulled the old vocal rest.

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That is strict vocal rest. Well, yeah, you just said, yeah, just give me a little something.

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Right?

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No, he was like, I think he might have whispered.

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I I've never been obviously I've never been on vocal rest. Um but I would think that if I was, I'd be like, hey, vocal rest, gonna keep it short. Yeah, but thanks. Right.

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No, he was committed to it. Well that we'll talk to him about that. He was committed to the bit. We will. I wonder, ask him if he remembers. Surely not, but that would be funny if he did.

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I have a friend who's a pharmacist at Walgreens. And so she'll kind of she gets all these stars, you know, yeah, here. And so I'll be like, who have you seen? She's like, I can't tell you. Yeah, but she's what are they taking? She's hinted. Like, okay, who's on the anxiety meds. Yes, like, what do you got?

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Yeah.

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She doesn't tell me what they're on, but she's kind of hinted at who was in, and then I do guesses. I can't tell you. I shouldn't say that maybe. She could probably get in trouble.

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Well, you're not saying her name.

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I'm not saying her name.

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Well, I mean, yeah, they gotta have get their medicine too from somewhere.

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No, how weird is that, though. You don't that's stuff you don't think about.

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Like, you've got to go pick up you like does Dolly Pardon go to the pharmacy?

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She has to.

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But she has to show

Anonymity, Celebrity Aura, And NYC Theater

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your ID though, right?

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Yeah, I mean, you have to. I mean, I don't know, but it's gotta be prescribed under your name, right?

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You know it's Viagra.

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For for Dolly?

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No, but for well, you're making a lot of big claims here.

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But like, you know. Christy knows who's taking Viagra. She just said somebody's name! Oh, we didn't say her last name, and she's never told us anything.

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Now you can't tell us who she's she is so by the book.

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She is that is funny to be like, I know that Garth Brooks takes Viagra.

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Right?

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But you can't tell anybody that right?

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Isn't that why I couldn't, I don't, I couldn't do that job.

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She you would say you would probably put on Instagram.

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You I would struggle.

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You would probably pillow talk, tell me.

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Absolutely.

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And by the morning I would forget.

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Well, really?

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Oh, for sure.

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Not not that kind of info. That's something you hang on to.

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That's something you hang on to, yeah.

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Yeah, you never let that one go.

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That's something you you share with strangers just because you know it.

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Just because. Or maybe that's me.

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You know what would be the best? The best would be seeing them out.

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And being like, I know about you.

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Yeah. Well, that's kind of how it is. I I do that quite a bit with like my uh brothers in recovery. You don't talk, I mean you can't really address one another.

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You don't even say hi. It's like you and me.

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It is kind of, yeah.

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We're not allowed to talk.

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We're not allowed to talk in public. Um, yeah, but no, if you see like, especially if you're with your families or whatnot, or you you know, because pretty big recovery community around here, but there's been a lot of times I've seen people at like a football game or out in public, and you're just like you can't even say hi. I don't just be like Well, I don't because I don't know what I don't know how anonymous they are. Like oh, right, right. Like I don't know, like hey, where do you know him from? Oh, just a dude.

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It's like just a dude. It wouldn't be hard for you. You know a ton of people.

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Everybody knows you. I don't know. You think so? You are I don't feel that way anymore.

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I used to feel that way, but I'm doing some work for Tanner Dalton, and I was like, I was telling him about my podcast, and he's like, Tanner, what a sweet guy. Yeah, he's like, Oh yeah, I know Drew. I was like, Well, yeah. Of course, everybody does. Tanner and his wife are just gold, man. Yeah, good, good people. Do you remember? Well, you were homeschooled, but when you would see like your why did that sound so derogatory? You won't be able to relate.

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Like when you were I went to school till seventh grade.

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Okay, so when you would see your teacher at like the grocery store, that's really that was so awkward.

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Yeah. Well, now it's the thing with teachers when when students graduate high school, like a lot of times at the graduation, they go and friend request their teachers. Because you're not allowed to kind of do that. Oh, yeah, yeah. Because my sister-in-law is a teacher and she says that that happens where it's like as soon as they graduate, they want to be friends on Instagram with their teacher or whatever, but they can't while they're in high school.

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I remember my fifth grade teacher who was as mean as a snake.

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Yeah.

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Horrible.

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Who was this?

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Mrs. Wagner.

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Uh-huh.

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I think her name was Mrs. Wagner.

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Anyway, sounds ugly.

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She got pregnant.

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Oh.

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And had to leave about three quarters of the way through the year. Come to find out, she and the gym teacher hooked up.

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No way.

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So that was like mind-blowing.

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Was it the gym teacher's kid?

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Yeah. That's like probably like 24. You know what I mean? Like, they probably weren't even they I don't think it was like drama. It was just weird. It was like, oh, wait a minute.

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Oh, they weren't married.

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No, but they gotcha.

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But yeah, I don't think they weren't public.

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But it was well, to us, they weren't, you know. It was just weird. I'm like, wait, no. Timeout. Yeah, it was weird. Plus, that was the year we got the film, so we all knew what was going on.

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You're like, you put two and two together.

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Y'all figured it out.

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That's like when I had the talk with AJ, and he was probably sixth grade. And I mean, he was really it he was blown away by it. Like it was, it was not good. He didn't take it well. Yeah, very damaging. But we went to this brewery right after we were gonna go fly fishing that day, and we were having lunch, and there was these two just morbidly obese people sitting at table having lunch, and so he was like, So dad, and he looked over and pointed at him. He's like, So they? I was like, Oh well, maybe I yeah, I'm not sure how, but they yes, yeah, they could go up. That was him like connecting the dots on like wow, and she and he was one of those kids like so you so you and mom had to do that four times.

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Oh my god. Well, how how long? I mean, how old was your youngest at that point?

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Well, Bentley would have been, gosh, I don't know. If he's in sixth grade, she'd have been third, fourth grade.

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So he was like, Oh.

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He was connecting the dots on it, yeah.

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It's funny.

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The talk is I tried with Hutch. Like we went, we had a we kind of planned a day and we went to Sportsman's Lodge out there and got a steak, and I gave him the talk at the restaurant, and we kind of got we got kind of as far as he would go, and he was like, enough. He was like, Yeah, so like that's what I'm gonna have to do. Yeah, and that's where he ended it.

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He was like, Oh god.

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Yeah, then I gave him a phone. That was his that was seriously now.

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Go learn for yourself.

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Everything else you need to know. It's unrestricted. Yeah, just so terrible. I did give him a phone that day. That's hilarious.

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Didn't he buy his first phone kind of?

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I don't know. How old was he at this point?

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Like nine.

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No, he was well, oh yeah, he probably fifth grade or something.

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Yeah, yeah, it's tough to know when. I just didn't want AJ had friends at that point that had an older brother. So I was like, oh my gosh, he's gonna find out from one of his buddies. Why the guy got the talk on the school bus?

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Guys, I never gave the talk to Sadie.

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No, you didn't. No, you think she knows?

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Oh, she knows.

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Well, she's 18.

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She's 18, she knows by now. I gave them a book and I was like, read this. And I remember we were on a hike in California, and Hutch was like, Mama, I didn't realize that girls have hair too. I'm so glad I read that book before I got married. That's what he told me.

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He'd have been really surprised.

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He goes, That would have been shocking before when I got married. That's hilarious. I was like, Oh, that was so you just gave him a book, huh? I did, I gave him a book, made him read it in homeschool.

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I don't think I gave Sadie the I don't think he read it.

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Yes, he did.

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He read that book?

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Absolutely. Yes, just like the hair thing. He told me that yes, he did read the book.

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He told you about it.

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He told me about the hair thing.

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Mom's hilarious. You're not gonna believe this.

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You're not even gonna believe this. It's like when you told me when he was little. Oh my gosh, Mama, I forgot. I've been meaning to tell you. When I see a woman's breast, I can't stop looking at him.

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I've been meaning to tell you how old was he?

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Little. Little, this woman walked by.

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That's funny.

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And there was no mess in it. That's hilarious. He's like, oh my gosh, I've been meaning to tell you.

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So it wasn't sexual in nature at that point, couldn't it?

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It was just like curiosity. It was a little bit, you know, like he's a boob guy, I think.

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But well, we don't know that.

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Well, I just am saying, based on when he was little, it was just cute. I've been meaning to tell you.

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Shoot, I forgot again.

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I wanted to tell mom and he says about their son that he's a boob guy. That's hilarious. Yeah, son's a boob guy.

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I can't help it. I don't know.

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That's really funny.

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I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't know what I just wanted to do.

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We should ask him.

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He's next time I see him, he would die.

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I saw him riding a scooter at the pumpkin fest or whatever it was in downtown Franklin. Really? Yeah.

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Scooter? He's probably skateboarding.

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Maybe that's what it was. Skateboard or whatever. But I didn't say hi because I can't imagine him riding a scooter.

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I don't think he has a scooter.

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It looked like it felt like it was a scooter like a razor. He might have his buddy have. We have those big razors out there.

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Oh, that's really funny.

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I think it was I've I remember seeing a scooter and be like, oh, it's Hutch on a scooter.

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Oh, that's interesting.

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He's with a buddy, but I didn't, like I said, I just let him go by.

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That's really funny. Of course. Well, depends on the context, I guess. How you know him from. Do you know him from recovery?

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Hutch? Yeah. I just let him go by. See him. He's been going to the SA group on Saturday.

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How do you know him?

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Well, he's a boob guy. He admitted to it. He confessed it.

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That guy's group I was in that met for like three straight years. I mean, we did 175 weeks together. And so you get close with dudes. And I mean, there was like we we talked about everything. And all in the context of like kind of like what's God say about this? But it it's reductive, but guys are either boobs, butts, or legs. Like it is interesting. I mean, and it was it was kind of a third, third, third split, except for this one dude that said eyes. I mean, and we were like eyes.

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Well, he's gay.

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He is, actually. I think he is gay.

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I think he is.

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Yeah.

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Eyes.

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Yeah, buddy. We're not.

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Everybody's got those.

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That's really neutral. My eyes are up here, but yeah, your boobs are down there.

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But can you turn around? I really am a butt guy. I see the eyes, but really don't care about those. We've been watching Hallmark Christmas movies. Well, I've been watching Hallmark Christmas movie. He's been complaining about the Hallmark Christmas movies.

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Look, if it was one a night, I wouldn't complain.

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Listen, it's on a constant roll. And I love it.

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Oh no, that's that's too much. That's abusive.

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It's not. So Sadie and I are realizing how insanely picky dudes are. I mean, he's like, she's got a weird mouth, not attractive, can't do it, could never date her. I'm like, what?

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The mouth.

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Random things.

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Well, you notice that's something you notice, though. I've heard you multiple times reference someone's teeth. One of the first things you notice is someone's mouth or teeth, I think. Well, tell me if you guys think this tracks.

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But Hollywood actresses don't have a Yeah, but she's like there.

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Oh, you're saying Hallmark actresses.

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Well, actors too. Hollywood. I mean, you don't look at Chris. Some do. You don't look at Chris Pine and go, yeah, but he's Or Chris Emsworth. Yes.

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Or there's nothing wrong with it.

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Leo. What's his Liam? Liam. Liam's my favorite. You look at those guys and you go, yeah.

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Yeah, well.

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They have nothing wrong with them, basically.

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Those guys are weird. They have not hit the genetic line.

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Even like Chris Pratt, though. He doesn't have a thing that you're like, yeah, but I couldn't stand his ears or something. But isn't it funny looking at Chris Pratt from Parks and Rec days or now? He's a totally different human.

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Totally different human.

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But I'm just saying they they can't have like in like a I don't even want to say a fault. They can't have a weirdness. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:34

But John Krasinski does.

SPEAKER_02 18:36

Made for TV movies are different. Yeah, they got a little quirk.

SPEAKER_00 18:39

It's a different quirk about them.

SPEAKER_02 18:41

They do. And so character, a little uniqueness. They're like, you'd be a Hollywood actress.

SPEAKER_01 18:48

If only.

SPEAKER_02 18:49

Except for that jawline.

SPEAKER_01 18:52

Except for that little weird mouth you got.

SPEAKER_03 18:54

Isn't it funny though? I think about this, and this is probably just me being weird, but like when you think about how like our face is constructed, it's not that different, huh? But we all look so different.

SPEAKER_01 19:06

That is true.

SPEAKER_03 19:07

Like you would think more people will look identical. Like, okay, you got two eyes, a nose, a mouth, two ears. Really? How much different can you actually do?

SPEAKER_01 19:14

How much can we do?

SPEAKER_03 19:15

It's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 19:16

It is crazy.

SPEAKER_03 19:16

When you think about it.

SPEAKER_01 19:17

Do you have a doppelganger?

SPEAKER_02 19:19

Uh Chris Fargan. How can you say that word and mess up volume? Doppelganger.

SPEAKER_01 19:25

It's a gift.

SPEAKER_02 19:26

I don't think I have one.

SPEAKER_01 19:28

Chris Farley? You don't look like Chris Farley.

SPEAKER_03 19:31

I think very few people have one.

SPEAKER_01 19:33

No, I have a.

SPEAKER_03 19:34

But that's what that's what my point. You would think there would be like a hundred people that look just like me and Franklin.

SPEAKER_02 19:38

Well, just think of all the people that we know and we don't know anybody else that looks like us. That's crazy to me. It's crazy. I've never met a person that looks like that. And all we have is hair, ears, and wise.

SPEAKER_03 19:51

I mean, it's not that that's wild to me. That breaks my brain.

SPEAKER_02 19:54

There's nobody else on earth that could open my phone.

SPEAKER_01 19:57

You know what's weird though? There's a guy that's on Broadway that Sadie gets her picture taken with every time we're there. And Sadie, what the face thing, you know how you can look up someone's picture because of their face?

SPEAKER_02 20:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:09

It's it gets confused between Hutch and this guy.

SPEAKER_02 20:13

Thane?

SPEAKER_01 20:14

No. Brink Comer.

SPEAKER_02 20:16

Weird. Isn't that weird?

SPEAKER_01 20:17

They don't really look alike, but they get them confused. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 20:20

Yeah, that's that's super interesting.

SPEAKER_01 20:22

I have a doppelganger somewhere. I have a woman that looks just like me.

SPEAKER_03 20:26

Really?

SPEAKER_01 20:26

I have people all the time.

SPEAKER_03 20:27

Locally?

SPEAKER_01 20:28

Well, you I don't know. I know it's her name's Michelle, I think. I've met several people who think I look just like Michelle.

SPEAKER_03 20:35

You I think you look like a Michelle. Like if you said your name was Michelle, I'd be like, yeah, for sure. Buy it.

SPEAKER_01 20:40

Think so. Is Michelle an older name than Jennifer?

SPEAKER_03 20:44

It's right along. It's same, same.

SPEAKER_01 20:46

Same age, same same genre.

SPEAKER_02 20:47

We were just in Starbucks font, as my kids would say. Same font. Same font. We were just in Starbucks, and they yelled out Amanda, and it was an old person.

SPEAKER_01 20:57

Okay, that's not.

SPEAKER_02 20:58

And I was like, there can't be old Amandas around.

SPEAKER_01 21:01

There was also a Jennifer, and I she was a young Jennifer.

SPEAKER_03 21:05

That's a great point. Like I'm trying to think of anybody I know that's in their 60s named Amanda. This girl was 50s for sure.

SPEAKER_01 21:11

And I was like, Amandas are usually millennials millennials. Millennials. See, I can't say that, but I can say doppelganger all day.

SPEAKER_03 21:20

You really can't. So what what why? Why what happens to the Amandas? They just don't grow old, or is it just think they're not there yet?

SPEAKER_01 21:26

It'll be more common. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 21:28

It'll be like our kids saying, I can't imagine. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:31

I mean, all the Braxton.

SPEAKER_03 21:32

Like it's going to be like grandpa drew.

SPEAKER_01 21:34

How many Braden, Braden, Braxton, uh grandpas there's gonna be?

SPEAKER_02 21:40

That's gonna be weird.

SPEAKER_03 21:41

It's gonna be like Mabel.

SPEAKER_01 21:43

Right. I mean Ethel. Jennifer's are all now.

SPEAKER_03 21:45

Mabel and Ethel's gonna be like a young person. I don't know any old Mables. Oh, only no young ones. No, I'm just saying that's what it's our kids are gonna see.

SPEAKER_01 21:53

It's coming back around now, too. All those old names. So, how was your Thanksgiving?

SPEAKER_03 21:59

It was great.

Thanksgiving Highs, Lows, And Food Poisoning

SPEAKER_01 22:00

Did you stay here?

SPEAKER_03 22:01

Uh no, we went to Indiana where my brothers and my parents are for a couple days.

SPEAKER_01 22:06

Oh.

SPEAKER_03 22:06

So Grace flew back. It was good to have the girls back. Yeah. Everyone back in the house. It was awesome.

SPEAKER_01 22:11

Do you have two in Florida?

SPEAKER_03 22:13

Uh no, just one in Florida and then one who lives on campus at Belmont.

SPEAKER_01 22:17

Oh, right, right, right. Belmont.

SPEAKER_03 22:18

And we see them about the same on a stream.

SPEAKER_01 22:20

Isn't that funny?

SPEAKER_03 22:21

Yeah. Emery's Emory comes around from time to time. But um, yeah, it was just awesome to be there. And then um, yeah, family's good. You know how it is with family though. Like, you know, there's always stuff that gets stirred up for me emotionally. Um, but it was fun.

SPEAKER_01 22:37

Any fights? Uh any dust-ups?

SPEAKER_02 22:40

No.

SPEAKER_01 22:41

That's good. We didn't have any this year either.

SPEAKER_02 22:43

We didn't have any drama.

SPEAKER_01 22:44

Ours was drama free. We drove to Alabama for the day.

SPEAKER_03 22:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:49

Chill.

SPEAKER_03 22:50

Yeah. No, no, no, no fights. And man, we love we go all in on the holidays. My kids, we all just love it. We're all in. They're baking almost every night. It's just we're just a big holiday family. Yeah, we love it.

SPEAKER_04 23:04

She's fun.

SPEAKER_03 23:05

She's fun that way. She really likes sets an amazing home environment, especially during the holidays. Like, it's just she does too. The kids love it. They want to be home. They're not like even when we went to Indiana, they had fun, but they they all just want to be home. They want to be home in the evening. They want to be watching movies and baking and playing. We got these new card games. They're not, it's not really a game, but it's like um, it's called Tales, and you basically ask questions and have a conversation around it. It's made for like connection and stuff. And our kids get it.

SPEAKER_02 23:35

Uh, I bought it online. We should have them over to play telepictionary.

SPEAKER_01 23:39

Oh, that's we would have a blast.

SPEAKER_02 23:41

Yeah, we should have you guys over to play a game. That'd be great. Would Jamie come? Yeah. I mean, she hates us, but she doesn't like you guys very much. Maybe she likes us more now that though you're not over here quite as much. Well, I don't know. I don't think it's that way. This is the fourth time that we've tried to do this podcast without Drew, and he just ends up back here. It's like a little rubber band. It's like he stretches it out.

SPEAKER_01 24:05

You don't. It's chink.

SPEAKER_02 24:07

We uh Jennifer is a I wish people could see it. She's a great di decorator. And the other night I was laying down here and the fire was on, and I was like, I don't want to go to bed. I just want to hang out down here.

SPEAKER_03 24:20

It your house is very cozy and comfortable. I love it. Thank you. Yeah, it's great. Some might say clutter. No, I wouldn't say I wouldn't.

SPEAKER_02 24:28

That's not how I would describe it. I heard this word the other day. We were watching a show, maximalist. Jennifer's a maximalist.

SPEAKER_01 24:35

Well, somewhat.

SPEAKER_03 24:36

I will, yeah, there I I see what you mean. There's not a whole lot of blank space.

SPEAKER_01 24:40

No.

SPEAKER_03 24:41

Even Winnie's got a picture right there on the post.

SPEAKER_01 24:43

I had that painted in New York for him.

SPEAKER_03 24:45

We've got a little paw print of Hank, rest in peace, right where he used to eat. Rip Hank. Yeah, he's on a little frame. It's kind of nice. But I like the antlers.

SPEAKER_01 24:54

Aren't you so glad he's gone a little bit though?

SPEAKER_03 24:56

It's funny because uh, yes.

SPEAKER_02 24:58

Yeah, it's cold.

SPEAKER_01 24:59

I'm okay. I'm fine.

SPEAKER_02 25:00

I mean, I'm chilly. I was gonna turn the heater back on, but is it too is the heater too loud? Will you be able to edit that out in post?

unknown 25:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:08

That's funny.

SPEAKER_03 25:09

Yeah, probably. Okay. No, it's I'm fine. Are you good?

SPEAKER_01 25:12

I'm okay.

SPEAKER_03 25:13

You've lost all that weight now. You don't you're probably cold all the time.

SPEAKER_01 25:17

I'm always cold all the time. I hardly eat anything. Anyway. Why? Having a cough drop for lunch.

SPEAKER_03 25:27

I'm just kidding. Sugar-free. Sugar-free cough drop.

SPEAKER_01 25:30

Man, I got sick in New York. I got sick in New York and I started eating these cough drops, and now I'm like, oh, these are so good. I'm addicted to them.

SPEAKER_03 25:40

What kind are they?

SPEAKER_01 25:41

Um these are cold.

SPEAKER_03 25:44

Tangerine.

SPEAKER_01 25:45

Uh no. It's an herbal, herbal something.

SPEAKER_03 25:49

You guys are in New York a lot.

SPEAKER_01 25:51

We have been this year.

SPEAKER_03 25:53

I love we went. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 25:54

Did you go to the village?

SPEAKER_03 25:56

Yes. Wasn't it?

SPEAKER_01 25:57

No, I did not. You told me. I'm going tomorrow.

SPEAKER_03 26:00

I did tell you I didn't go. Um we went there for was it fall break? Because we were just there. We just missed you. That's right. I had such a good time there. I was like, Isn't it great? I loved it. Like, I want to go back. I just loved it. I loved, I love the feeling. We stayed in Times Square. I love the feeling about being surrounded by people I didn't know. Like there was just something about just being the energy of it. I know people say it all the time, it's cliche, but the energy of being there, but also being completely anonymous. Isn't that nice? So amazing.

SPEAKER_01 26:38

You know what's weird though? We were waiting in line at Hamilton. Do do we're just waiting in line, freezing our butts off. And these people come by and go, I know you.

SPEAKER_03 26:47

No way. And we're like, they're like, it's the Diablers.

SPEAKER_01 26:49

It's the Diablers. Can we get a picture of it?

SPEAKER_03 26:51

Friends? Our fans. They're fans.

SPEAKER_01 26:52

Yeah. I mean, but we're friends on Instagram. I I was like, what's your name on Instagram? And he told me, I'm like, oh yeah, totally. You know, we he's like, I love your posts.

SPEAKER_03 27:01

Oh, that's great. It was like, how's Drew?

SPEAKER_02 27:03

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_03 27:04

No, it's uh something about it. I just we did a a lot of the touristy stuff. We took the ferry around uh oh, did you Stanton Ferry? Yeah, Statue of Liberty was so fun.

SPEAKER_01 27:15

We walked Did you do the like the two dollar ferry that's you can do for or the free one? Or did you take you paid for the one?

SPEAKER_03 27:23

Yeah, I didn't know about the free one. We paid for it.

SPEAKER_01 27:24

Well, there's a free one that just takes you the Stanton Island Island ferry, they'll just take you right by it.

SPEAKER_02 27:29

Oh did you walk around on the Statue of Liberty, like the island? Oh, we didn't. I don't know if you can. I think you can. I saw I thought I saw a boat drop a bit. Because didn't you used to be able to like go up the staircase and end up at her torch or something?

SPEAKER_01 27:41

Something like that. I thought that's kind of cool.

SPEAKER_02 27:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:43

No, we just we just rode around it. But gosh, we had so we had so much fun.

SPEAKER_01 27:47

It was and you saw Harry Potter, right?

SPEAKER_03 27:49

Saw Harry Potter.

SPEAKER_01 27:50

Was it good?

SPEAKER_03 27:51

It was great. I I think if I went back, I would do a musical.

SPEAKER_01 27:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:55

Because that was you're in New York. Yeah. But that from like just a play, like I will say the most impressive thing about it is the special effects that they could do live. Yeah, it's wild. Crazy. Crazy. I mean, they had people flying and they would I don't know how they did it. They would drop this screen, but on the screen they were kind of like attached to it somehow, but you couldn't really see it.

SPEAKER_01 28:16

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_03 28:17

It was the special effects was unbelievable.

SPEAKER_01 28:19

Like amazing.

SPEAKER_03 28:21

Going down in the stage into water, but coming back out. You're just like, it's it was wild. So it was it was really fun. And we we lucked out because I went just went into the box office there at Harry Potter. And what are they what are the last the last minute tickets called? Rush Rush tickets. And I went in late.

SPEAKER_00 28:39

Did you get them cheap?

SPEAKER_03 28:39

Yeah, super cheap. They're like 25 bucks or something. Oh, that's great. And the guy was, I was like, Are they good seats? And because you're only supposed to sell two at a time. They couldn't sell us all four. But he's like, I'll sell you all four. They're close. Oh my god. I'm like, are they good seats? And he's like, Well, well, I can't really tell you that until after you buy them. But the guy in the back was like, Get the tickets, get the tickets. Like, hint-hint, they're great seats. And they were. We had that's awesome. It was super fun. Oh good. Yeah, it was awesome.

SPEAKER_01 29:04

We saw Stranger Things when we were there, Sadie and I, because she she was there with this thing and this group of kids, and so it wasn't something we cared to see because it wasn't a musical, but they were all going, so we went, and it is wild.

SPEAKER_03 29:17

Was it good?

SPEAKER_01 29:18

It is good, it's creepy.

SPEAKER_03 29:20

Is it?

SPEAKER_01 29:21

Yeah, but what they can do is crazy.

SPEAKER_03 29:23

Have you watched the season that just came out?

SPEAKER_01 29:25

They the kids have. I don't care.

SPEAKER_03 29:27

Have you watched it? No, no, kids have, but same.

SPEAKER_02 29:29

I'm I think musical theater. I've been thinking about this a lot because you know, Sadie's and she auditioned for the outsiders when we were up there. And she did really well. But the more I'm around it, it is the weirdest thing humans do.

SPEAKER_00 29:45

It really is.

SPEAKER_02 29:46

Like we're gonna put on a play and then in the middle of it we're just gonna sing. It just doesn't make any sense.

SPEAKER_03 29:54

Well, especially in now and with modern technology. Back in the day when there was no entertainment, like, well, what are you gonna do? I don't know. I guess we'll sing and sing and act out something. Throw some songs in it. Now you're just like, well, why don't you just watch the TV? Just quit acting. That's weird. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:07

We can just do all this on DVD.

SPEAKER_02 30:09

And you don't have to sing. Right. But but when you're there watching it, it makes sense. You're like, yeah, sing about it. Just break into song. Yeah, go for it.

SPEAKER_01 30:18

Go for it. We want to know how you feel.

SPEAKER_02 30:19

But when you think about it, you're like, now why would you sing there? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 30:23

That doesn't make sense. I don't like the ones that are what are they called where they're just all singing. That's like an opera. Yeah. Hamilton does not have any talking. I hate that.

SPEAKER_01 30:32

I know, but I want talking. Hamilton's so you gotta see it.

SPEAKER_03 30:35

I want talking and then I want you to break into song.

SPEAKER_01 30:37

I know, but Hamilton's different.

SPEAKER_03 30:39

You

Popcorn Obsession And Life’s Small Joys

SPEAKER_03 30:40

know what I liked a lot was The Greatest Showman. The movie? That's great.

SPEAKER_01 30:45

They're making a broadway of it now. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 30:47

I think I watched it three or four times in the theater.

SPEAKER_01 30:49

The songs are amazing.

SPEAKER_03 30:50

It hit me at a like emotional level, too, though.

SPEAKER_01 30:53

We had movie pass at the time. So Sadie and I went like four or five times.

SPEAKER_03 30:57

Dang. Can't hide money.

SPEAKER_01 30:59

Yeah, the whole 30 bucks.

SPEAKER_03 31:01

Yeah, I love that. But but in the same regard, I hated the one that was um Ryan Gosling was in.

SPEAKER_02 31:08

La La Land? Hated it. Oh, it's one of my favorite movies. It might be my favorite movie of all time.

SPEAKER_01 31:13

How could you hate La La Land?

SPEAKER_03 31:15

I didn't feel like there was enough talking in it. It just felt too much, too much singing.

SPEAKER_01 31:19

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 31:20

Did they talk at all in it?

SPEAKER_01 31:21

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 31:22

I need to go back and watch it.

SPEAKER_01 31:23

You do.

SPEAKER_03 31:24

It is unbelievable. Here's also why I didn't like it, I think, is because I didn't have the right context when I went to see it. I didn't know it was a musical. I thought I was going to see like a movie movie. And then I was like, what? What?

SPEAKER_01 31:36

Why are we singing? Why are we flying around?

SPEAKER_03 31:38

I'll go watch it this week and see if I have to.

SPEAKER_01 31:40

You really should. It is together.

SPEAKER_03 31:43

This guy's got a lot of plans for us hanging out.

SPEAKER_01 31:45

He does. We're hanging out now.

SPEAKER_03 31:47

He's a very anxious producer, I've noticed.

SPEAKER_01 31:49

Is he? You never got up and walked around. No.

SPEAKER_03 31:52

Look, he just we're recording a podcast. He just gets up and leaves.

SPEAKER_01 31:55

Walks around. He's out. He's done with us.

SPEAKER_02 31:58

Maybe I'm a little bit more producery.

SPEAKER_03 32:00

Oh, that might be true. Maybe it's not anxiety. It's actually what a producer does.

SPEAKER_01 32:05

Maybe you should take some notes.

SPEAKER_03 32:07

Are you gonna do show notes? No, I still do that. I think that's you. That's still me. That's still your part.

SPEAKER_01 32:12

Still something I don't do. So no. No show notes.

SPEAKER_02 32:15

La La Land has probably the best ending that I've seen almost ever.

SPEAKER_01 32:21

It's sad, but it's sad, but it's brilliant.

SPEAKER_02 32:23

It is like the in a bar, I think they were in.

SPEAKER_03 32:26

Yeah. So good.

SPEAKER_01 32:27

He played all of those piano parts.

SPEAKER_02 32:30

No. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 32:31

Are you serious? He's a talented guy.

SPEAKER_02 32:33

He learned them. He can't play piano. He learned those.

SPEAKER_01 32:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:36

Just to be able to do that. That's impressive.

SPEAKER_01 32:38

Impressive.

SPEAKER_03 32:39

He's beautiful too.

SPEAKER_02 32:40

Can we just say that? Oh, that's what I'm talking about. He's quirky. He's not going to be on a Hallmark movie. No.

SPEAKER_01 32:45

Time out, you guys. He definitely is quirky.

SPEAKER_02 32:49

But he's not Hallmark quirky.

SPEAKER_01 32:52

Listen, if he wasn't so if he didn't exude this amazing whatever, what is it? Like he's got crispy.

SPEAKER_03 33:00

He grew into it though, because remember him and remember the Titans and some of the earlier movies that he did where he was just like a little nerd. Oh yeah, he was a couple of things. Oh, right, right.

SPEAKER_01 33:06

He was Sunshine, wasn't he? No. No, he wasn't the Sunshine.

SPEAKER_03 33:08

He didn't even have that role. It was a smaller role than that.

SPEAKER_01 33:11

But can you imagine wasn't he Mickey Mouse Club or something?

SPEAKER_02 33:15

Yeah. Can you imagine a child actor? A Hallmark cast trying to act with him. Like human.

SPEAKER_01 33:23

That's what I mean. He's an amazing actor. There's no way. He's not, he's definitely quirky looking, y'all. He's not symmetrical. He is not a Hemsworth, but he is stunning because of his charisma.

SPEAKER_02 33:35

When we were waiting for Hamilton, because we do the rush, so you get there early and wait. And then if it sells out, then they let a bunch of people in. But the night we were there, because okay, so the one of the original cast members of Hamilton, one of the leads, is back for three months. He's gone now, but um, and so a lot of people wanted to see it. And the night we were there, right before it started, Matt Damon and his family pulled up.

SPEAKER_01 34:03

Ryan got no Ryan Reynolds and Blake Lively, and they're gonna go.

SPEAKER_02 34:08

And I'm telling you, maybe it's just because I've seen him on TV, but I was like, okay.

SPEAKER_01 34:13

Yeah, definitely have a thing going.

SPEAKER_02 34:16

You saw them in person, you mean they were around? Yeah, they I mean they walked right by. But but Blake Lively, especially, you're like, okay.

SPEAKER_03 34:23

They kind of radiate like a different factor. Yeah, it's like a thing. It's funny though, because I even thought that I think that's movie stars in general because I I worked an award show. No, it was a Willie Nelson and Friends show. This was 20 years ago.

SPEAKER_01 34:38

What do you mean you worked it?

SPEAKER_03 34:39

I was like the production assistant for it. It was like a little outside job I did when I first moved to Nashville. I know. They actually we had to take turns standing outside of Willie's dressing room because we all were getting contact eyes, so much weed coming out of there. So we had to rotate who got to work outside. But, anyways, Vince Vaughn showed up as a part of it.

SPEAKER_04 34:58

Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_03 34:58

And he carried himself. There was a different vibe when he showed up. It was like, okay, we've got a real movie star here.

SPEAKER_01 35:04

You could I could see that about him. Plus, he's so tall, right? So he's got like a stature.

SPEAKER_03 35:09

But I wouldn't even put him in like the you know, hot guy. He's not a heart through, but it's but no, not a heart throb, but there was still just this air of like someone different just walked in.

SPEAKER_01 35:19

Yeah, isn't that interesting?

Career Pivot, Burnout, And Choosing Slower Living

SPEAKER_03 35:20

What is star we get that all kinds of stars there, all mostly all music stars.

SPEAKER_02 35:25

I wonder though, here's the thing, because now we're now it's the chicken or the egg. Right, right. Like that's would we have thought that about Vince Fawn if he just showed up?

SPEAKER_01 35:33

The other thing is Vince Vaughn probably is extremely groomed. That's the thing, too, about um Chris Pratt. Chris Pratt now is so groomed, everything is perfect. He's manscaped, he is extremely manscaped, and he's on a very strict diet, da-da-da, all the things. Yeah, whereas in Parks and Rack, not groomed, not groomed. No, he was very just normal. You wouldn't have noticed him, except he's probably pretty funny and fun to be around. I don't know. So I'm wondering if it is a chicken egg thing.

SPEAKER_02 36:03

Like I don't know. Does that make sense? I've been getting haircuts every three weeks now. I didn't notice when you got up the fade in the back looks better. It feels better. It's like, okay.

SPEAKER_01 36:13

And I'm not saying we have haircut money, but it is expensive when you go to Fantastic Sam's. Fantastic.

SPEAKER_03 36:19

It's that's where I go. You go to Fantastic Sam's? Oh, yeah. Do you still take a little piece of hair and put it in the machine and it gives you candy for it?

SPEAKER_01 36:25

What?

SPEAKER_03 36:26

What? That was a fit. I love Fantastic Sam's growing up because at the end you could take a little bit of your hair and they had a machine on the way out, and you deposit your hair in there and it would spit out like a surprise. Oh, I loved it. I love going to get my hair cut.

SPEAKER_02 36:40

I don't I don't think they have the machine. I mean, I wasn't looking for it.

SPEAKER_01 36:43

Now you will.

SPEAKER_02 36:44

But I think it'll be weird if I at the end go, Stephanie, hey, before you sweep that up, can I get a handful of that? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:51

I need to deposit it.

SPEAKER_02 36:52

What could I get for this? Yeah.

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What do you give me?

SPEAKER_03 36:56

Get out of here, creepy. So you've upgraded, you're not giving yourself haircuts anymore.

SPEAKER_02 37:01

No, I just started this year doing haircuts. Uh, and I like it.

SPEAKER_03 37:06

It does look good, but I will say it's not like a drastic noticeable difference. So you did a pretty good job.

SPEAKER_01 37:11

You did a pretty good job. I mean, you'd have some skipping.

SPEAKER_03 37:13

But I could tell when you when you turned around, I was like, okay, that's that's a professional thing. And I'm sh and I'm shaving a while.

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I thought you were doing something else there for a second.

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Sh shaving.

SPEAKER_02 37:23

What do you guys wash your face?

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All the time.

SPEAKER_03 37:26

Never.

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Yes.

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I do. I wash my beard in the shower.

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Yes, I wash my face.

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I don't think I've washed my face this year.

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I wash my face. Look, I have to wash my face.

SPEAKER_02 37:38

Wait till next year. I'm doing that. That was my resolution this year. Don't wash my face.

SPEAKER_01 37:41

We gotta start thinking about those, by the way. What? Wash your faces? No, revol revolutions. Revolutions. Gosh, words.

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I don't do that.

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Double ganger. I can say that. Double ganger. You can. I'm hanging on to that one.

SPEAKER_03 37:53

Why don't you wash your face? I don't either.

SPEAKER_02 37:55

I'm not a dresser. Like when I wash my face, when I get out of the shower, it feels all cracky and dry, and I just I don't.

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I wash my face.

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I'll get some shampoo on it.

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At night before I go to bed, and then in the morning I rinse my face.

SPEAKER_03 38:09

I feel like if you wear makeup, you'd have to.

SPEAKER_01 38:11

You have to. It's so you've got to get that.

SPEAKER_03 38:13

Do you get the makeup off at night?

SPEAKER_01 38:14

Yeah. Yeah.

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I kind of feel like I don't need to wash anything unless it's dirty. Well, that argument probably doesn't hold up.

SPEAKER_03 38:26

My life is not super dirty. No, I get that. But you just got you got cracks and crevices that just naturally need to be washed, though. Can I say mine aren't that deep?

SPEAKER_01 38:38

Your belly button is crazy. That is a cavern, but like your belly button, it's like you must have a hole in your guts.

SPEAKER_02 38:46

You can almost see through to my spine.

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But even after just even if you're touching your spine if you go and really it's weirdly deep.

SPEAKER_03 38:52

Real deep. Show the people. No, I can't. But even if you're just sitting around laying on the couch all day, you just have places that rub against each other that are gonna need a little love, right?

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Well, maybe.

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I don't even have a smell. My kids won't even be able to remember the way I smell it.

SPEAKER_01 39:11

That is true. He has zero body odor. It's the weirdest.

SPEAKER_03 39:15

I own I don't either, but I only got well, at least I don't think I do. And the only time is when I switch to some like natural product that I started stinking. Gotta have that aluminum in there.

SPEAKER_01 39:25

What that means?

SPEAKER_03 39:26

What?

SPEAKER_01 39:26

That you're masking it. So whenever you wear natural, it doesn't mean you don't have a body odor.

SPEAKER_03 39:32

Okay, well then I do. I'm masking it.

SPEAKER_01 39:34

You're masking the crap out of it.

SPEAKER_03 39:36

All right. Well, what's better?

SPEAKER_01 39:38

I don't know. I'm just saying he doesn't have one. He doesn't even need deodorant.

SPEAKER_02 39:41

Really?

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It's weird.

SPEAKER_02 39:43

I I could mow the grass, be 95 degrees outside, wring my shirt out, hang it outside.

SPEAKER_03 39:49

See, that's always been true of me too. But you think it's that my deodorant that's keeping me?

SPEAKER_01 39:53

Well, if you're going to natural products and then you stink, I did. Then there's something.

SPEAKER_03 39:57

I blame the product. I was like, the product's making me stink.

SPEAKER_01 40:00

You think the product was making you stink? It's causing you to have an odor.

SPEAKER_03 40:04

That's what I thought.

SPEAKER_01 40:04

No, it's allowing you to have an odor. How long have we been talking?

SPEAKER_02 40:11

I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 40:12

Uh we're at we're at 40 minutes of nothing. Let's go. Look at that. Was that your goal today? Just to catch up a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 40:19

Yeah. I love it. Yeah. Just want to talk.

SPEAKER_03 40:22

Nothing.

SPEAKER_01 40:22

Nothing. He's like, where's your agenda? I don't got one. Should we?

SPEAKER_03 40:27

This is how she lives her life. I think this is the most sustainable way for you to do a podcast.

SPEAKER_01 40:32

Well, it kind of is the only way that would work for me.

SPEAKER_03 40:34

Because you're not gonna but I do think that people want to hear your hot, hot takes. Your hotel.

SPEAKER_01 40:40

I do think we could I did think we could talk about our highs and lows of Thanksgiving dinners.

SPEAKER_04 40:46

Ooh. Food-wise.

SPEAKER_01 40:47

Like what's your what's your top of your list for Thanksgiving food? Yeah. What's your bottom of your list for Thanksgiving food? Or is Thanksgiving old news?

SPEAKER_02 40:55

Ooh.

SPEAKER_01 40:55

I mean, have we moved on to Christmas?

SPEAKER_02 40:57

I'm a Thanksgiving Grinch.

SPEAKER_01 40:59

He hates Thanksgiving.

SPEAKER_02 41:01

Really? Well, I like the holiday, but I there's nothing on a Thanksgiving menu that I like. Interesting. I don't like turkey. I don't like stuffing. I don't like gravy. I'm like mashed potatoes are fine, but interesting. It's all I don't like pie.

SPEAKER_01 41:15

Too sloppy for you.

SPEAKER_02 41:16

Wow. Yeah.

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He's not a casserole kind of guy.

SPEAKER_02 41:20

Okay. Yeah, I don't I feel like so much of Thanksgiving dinner feels already eaten when you put it on your plate.

SPEAKER_01 41:30

It's pre-digested.

SPEAKER_02 41:33

Already. It feels like you could put all of that in a blender and it would taste the same. That's funny. I'd rather have a steak and a baked potato.

SPEAKER_01 41:41

Well, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:41

Okay. That's fair.

SPEAKER_01 41:43

What's your top Thanksgiving food?

SPEAKER_02 41:45

My top?

SPEAKER_01 41:46

What do you have to have?

SPEAKER_02 41:48

Can I say real quick before you ask him that? I'm also zero sentimental about food. You know how some people like, you know, I'm sentimental, just not with food.

SPEAKER_01 41:57

You are sentimental about some food. Shoe fly pie?

SPEAKER_02 42:01

Okay, yeah, yeah. So this one particular part. I have a couple of things that my grandma made, but in general, yeah. Thanks, nothing is attached

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SPEAKER_02 42:10

to the food, like the day.

SPEAKER_03 42:11

I think I'm the exact opposite because Thanksgiving for me is was for us as a family the one day where we had nothing church related to do. Oh, that's true. So, like growing up in a pastor's house, Christmas was Christmas and Easter were wrecks. Oh, yeah. Disaster. So, and then uh working in ministry for 20 years, same thing. I would get to Christmas morning, and we just got done doing 30 services over three days or whatever it was. No, and I'm just like a shell on Christmas morning trying to be present with my kids. So um I not anymore, thankfully, but but Thanksgiving was always a holiday where mom would put on a big spread, the whole family was together, we had no obligations, we're watching football, playing football, watching the parade. So that that to me has got a lot of sentimental thing. And then my mom's a great southern cook, so she would always put on a massive spread, right? But I will say my lowest turkey, I hate turkey. I hate turkey too. I hate turkey.

SPEAKER_01 43:05

I mean, I make myself eat like this much.

SPEAKER_03 43:07

My mom will still make one because she feels like she has to. And Jamie and my sister-in-law both love turkey, so she makes them for them.

SPEAKER_01 43:14

Um just so wild.

SPEAKER_02 43:16

Maybe on Friday with salt and mayonnaise cold, you know, like out of the free.

SPEAKER_01 43:20

Like out of a sandwich with some lettuce.

SPEAKER_03 43:22

Well, turkey is the one food that we do everything possible to make it not taste like turkey.

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Seriously.

SPEAKER_03 43:27

So we smoke it, we inject it, we we grind it, we do everything we possibly can. We put gravy on it, stuffing. We're trying to not taste turkey.

SPEAKER_01 43:36

It tastes too gamey. Turkey is gamey tasting, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_03 43:41

Uh so mom does a prime rib. That's really great. Oh, yeah. That's what I'm talking about. Prime rib. I love mashed potatoes.

SPEAKER_01 43:48

Love mashed potatoes.

SPEAKER_03 43:48

I love the sides, sweet potato, I love the pies, I love everything else.

SPEAKER_01 43:52

Which so which what kind of pie do you? I mean, are you a pumpkin pie?

SPEAKER_03 43:55

Pumpkin cheesecake is our ghost. Okay, that's not bad.

SPEAKER_02 43:58

Anything cheesecake iscake is great. You know, one year for Thanksgiving, this must have been the first year in our first house over by you and Franklin Green. Uh-huh. We had everybody. Your address.

SPEAKER_03 44:10

You want your address will be in the show notes.

SPEAKER_02 44:12

Yeah. Um we had we had everybody for some reason at our house, and Jennifer and her mom cooked a turkey.

SPEAKER_01 44:19

Did we I don't remember that at all?

SPEAKER_02 44:21

And Mimi, my mother-in-law, pulled the neck, it came with neck for some reason. And I was like, What is it? It looked like an umbilical cord. And she's like, That's the neck. And I was like, What do you think? But it's loose in there, right? Yeah, and so she goes, I'm just gonna throw it outside. I thought she was gonna take it and chuck it into the woods, but like two days later, I came out like four feet onto the back patio, and there was this turkey neck, and I'm like, What is this so gross? But all that to say, I think they could do without leaving the guts in the turkey.

SPEAKER_01 44:57

People really want the guts.

SPEAKER_02 44:59

Yeah, what I've got to do. That's like eating the placenta. That's what gibblet gravy is.

SPEAKER_01 45:03

Yeah, people want it. Well, there's a really adds a lot of flavor to the gravy.

SPEAKER_03 45:07

What is it like wiener and stuff? Well, no, that's funny because there's a video going around this year that my son showed me of this kid, probably 12 years old, was trying to um, he was cleaning out the turkey, but they were talking about what gender the turkey was, and he pulled out the neck and he thought it was the wiener.

SPEAKER_01 45:23

Oh my gosh. And it's and he's like, Can you imagine how disproportionate that would be for their turkey?

SPEAKER_03 45:28

Oh, I know. And it's he's holding his hand and he's gagging he starts gagging, like puking. It's so I'll have to send it to you. It's so funny.

SPEAKER_01 45:35

Please dude, that's awesome. That would be good in the show notes.

SPEAKER_03 45:37

Yeah. Yep. Go check that picture in the show notes. It is hilarious. But yeah, I hate turkey.

SPEAKER_01 45:44

Yeah, I'm not a big fan. Didn't your didn't your family all get sick one year because you guys kept it?

SPEAKER_02 45:49

They undercooked it.

SPEAKER_01 45:50

Oh no, you you stuffed it.

SPEAKER_02 45:52

They got, I wasn't there. They all got salmonella. 12 people went home with salmonella poisoning.

SPEAKER_01 45:58

No, you did get it. Remember, you went to work at that place you worked at at the mall.

SPEAKER_02 46:03

No, that was a different time. I did have food poisoning then.

SPEAKER_01 46:06

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 46:06

Food poisoning's brutal. I mean, it goes by quick, but that time I was sick, I worked at Jay Riggins at the mall for sure. Do you remember Jay Riggins?

SPEAKER_01 46:15

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_02 46:16

And I crawled into my house. My mom was like, Oh my gosh. I've heard it feels like you're dying. I don't think I've ever had it, but I've heard it feel it's bad.

SPEAKER_01 46:24

I think I had it once.

SPEAKER_02 46:25

I think that was the one time I had it too. Wow. But it is it's brutal.

SPEAKER_01 46:29

That time we went to steak and shake and then drove the shaft.

SPEAKER_02 46:32

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 46:33

And I we left Steak and Shake, and by the time so we ate near my hometown in Festus, Missouri. Drove by the time we got to St. Louis, which is about 45 minutes, I was on what felt like my death.

SPEAKER_02 46:45

We were like gonna take her to the hospital. I thought I was gonna die.

SPEAKER_01 46:49

I mean, yeah, it was horrible. It did not take long to kick in.

SPEAKER_02 46:53

Yeah, I've heard that it's just awful.

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It was awful.

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And then by the time we got I can almost feel it right now through St.

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Louis into about the middle of Illinois after making several stops, I was better. Yeah, I got rid of it all.

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Isn't it funny how our bodies can go back to those moments and pull like I get that quite a bit with stuff? I'll be like, I feel like I'm here right now.

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Or if you smell like I if you smell something from when you had a stomach bug, yes, you thank you.

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I got real sick in Denver. This was just a year ago, and it was right after I, you know, you get those little snacks that have like meat and cheese. Oh yes, and I've just ate even now talking about it. I'm like, never again.

SPEAKER_01 47:36

Oh, see?

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Bad.

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Sadie just took one of those with her to a thing she was going to do today. She picked it up at Starbucks.

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Now I'm like, Yeah, it's one of those things in a little package and then got a little little adult lunchable. I'm gonna throw up even thinking about it. It's bad.

SPEAKER_01 47:49

Alright, so what is your favorite Thanksgiving food? Like if you had to pick one.

SPEAKER_03 47:55

If I had to pick one, I feel like I I I'll just go with my with my gut. Mashed potatoes.

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I just can't not have mashed potatoes.

SPEAKER_03 48:07

Butter or gravy? I don't do a lot of gravy. I might put a little gravy on it. Yeah, I am though, if there's if there's corn, I will mix the corn with the mashed potatoes.

SPEAKER_01 48:16

Dude, that is exactly what I do. We just killed your shot. I exactly mix my corn in my do you but we do green giant buttered nibblets. Corn. And there's so much butter, probably so much seed oil, and so much that's so much salt. And so you mix it all up. Oh, I love it. Oh, dang.

SPEAKER_03 48:35

I do love mixing that.

SPEAKER_01 48:36

That is so interesting.

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Delicious.

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It's the best part of Thanksgiving.

SPEAKER_03 48:40

I agree. Except for my mom didn't do corn this year, and I don't know why.

SPEAKER_01 48:43

You can't have Thanksgiving without corn.

SPEAKER_03 48:45

Should we be eating corn?

SPEAKER_01 48:46

I don't know. I eat it.

SPEAKER_03 48:47

Because you were just talking about your body's digesting stuff, but we I can tell you what, you can chew that corn up as much as you want. How is it possible comes back out a whole?

SPEAKER_01 48:55

It does itself back together. Somehow it does. I eat ridiculous amounts of popcorn.

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A bag a day.

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I I eat I'm a bag a day. Me too. How is that good?

SPEAKER_03 49:07

I had two bags at the game last night. I love I love popcorn. As a matter of fact, my my end goal in life is gonna be um I'm gonna have a popcorn stand.

SPEAKER_01 49:20

Oh.

SPEAKER_03 49:21

I love popcorn. I have a bag of popcorn a day and I have a popsicle every day.

SPEAKER_01 49:25

Okay. So you're gonna have popcorn and popsicle.

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And I want when I'm when I'm um a grandfather,

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SPEAKER_03 49:30

I'm gonna be called pop.

SPEAKER_01 49:31

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 49:32

So it's gonna be pop's pop-up pop shop. I've already got the branding done. I own the website domain. I'm already building it.

SPEAKER_01 49:38

You do?

SPEAKER_03 49:38

Yes.

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Oh my gosh. You are not even close to it.

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I'm gonna go wheel my little cart down. I've already designed the cart. It's gonna have popcorn and popsicles. And it's gonna be pop's pop-up pop shop. And I'm gonna just wheel out of these festivals. I'm gonna be a little old man on the corner giving people popcorn and popsicles. Just so happy. Everyone's gonna call me Pops. Well, I did think about doing anything pop, like pop tarts. Pop rocks are great. Pop rock. Like anything pop.

SPEAKER_01 50:04

That'd be cute.

SPEAKER_03 50:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 50:05

What kind of popcorn do you like? Is it like kettle corn?

SPEAKER_03 50:08

No, I'm I I went through a phase at first where I literally had 50 different flavors I could sprinkle on them. I had my whole pantry was full of all the flavors, anything you can imagine. Buffalo wing, ranch, I mean all the different stuff. Now I'm just I want a lot, I just want a buttery popcorn.

SPEAKER_01 50:24

Listen, if you get Whole Foods and Trader Joe's both, even Target, you can get an olive oil sea salt.

SPEAKER_03 50:31

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_01 50:32

The best.

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It feels a little healthier for you.

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It's better free, doesn't have the seed oil.

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Yeah.

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And it's good.

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If you want to see me at peak happiness, it's sitting in a movie theater with a big bucket of popcorn.

SPEAKER_02 50:44

Movie theater popcorn is great. Do you put the fake ranch spl the oh, I just dumped the butter on it. I love that. I like a butter too, but that powder they have.

SPEAKER_01 50:53

I've never seen anyone eat as much salt as you do, though.

SPEAKER_02 50:56

The other day she was eating popcorn right here in whatever this room is, and she didn't want to get up, so she started flossing with the bag. Are you serious?

SPEAKER_01 51:06

Well, it gets stuck in your teeth.

SPEAKER_02 51:08

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 51:08

And it was at the end of the bag, so it's not like somebody else was gonna eat.

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I need to floss with this bag.

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I'm like, sorry.

SPEAKER_03 51:13

I got that's pretty um what's the word?

SPEAKER_01 51:16

Ingenuitive. Yeah, that's the word I was thinking about. Ingenuitive? That's not the word.

SPEAKER_02 51:20

It's cl it's close to what I was gonna say. Just call this podcast words with Jennifer.

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Words are hard with Jennifer. Words come and go.

SPEAKER_02 51:36

Then it's the best joke. He's funny.

SPEAKER_01 51:38

Everything he does is funny.

SPEAKER_02 51:39

Yeah, how do you feel not having a podcast anymore? I'm fine with it. I mean I feel like I feel like I was about ten years or sorry, ten episodes over the stuff I had to say. That is because when you asked me to do the podcast, the context was like like meaningful whatever. Yeah. And so I I didn't, I mean, I was just like, yeah, people are I'm tired of hearing my own voice. Yeah. So you think you went ten years? I talk all day long. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 52:10

You actually don't. You listen all day long.

SPEAKER_02 52:13

Yeah, but there's some talking in there. Yeah, but how's the spiritual direction biz? It's going well. Yeah. It's going well. I am so busy playing music right now. I don't I I don't have a weekend off in the foreseeable future. Are you guys still doing the can we talk about this? The are you going to the Florida thing?

SPEAKER_01 52:31

Yeah, well, that's why we've I mean it's been super busy because he's gone a lot. He's been gone a lot.

SPEAKER_02 52:35

But you've been gone too, right?

SPEAKER_01 52:36

I went some, but then he was gone.

SPEAKER_02 52:38

So she's gone this weekend.

SPEAKER_01 52:40

Yeah. That's been why it's been harder for us to get this.

SPEAKER_02 52:45

This is actually a the Florida gig is great because the times I've done this in the past where I've kind of gone in and commuted in, and there's been a lot of there's been some recovery work to do, and somebody has, you know. You're kind of cleaning up some message. This isn't that. Like the senior pastor, uh, bless his heart, had a stroke. Oh man. And at around the same time, the worship pastor was trying to move into a different ministry at the church. So it's a really healthy program. They just need someone to kind of fill the gap. Yeah, fill the gap. And where is it again? I forget. It's in Tampa. North.

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Tampa area.

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New Newport Richie. Great. Is the name of town. And and it's just get to go down there someday in the winter and get some sun or a little bit of a couple of things. Great people. The church is big, it's thriving. It's not a lot of drama.

SPEAKER_03 53:36

That's awesome.

SPEAKER_02 53:37

Yeah, it's wonderful.

SPEAKER_03 53:38

How long is that contract for?

SPEAKER_02 53:40

Well, I mean for now it's a definite it's gonna be a while. Okay. Um, and then I'm playing music every weekend, I'm off here. So where are you playing here? Rolling Hills.

SPEAKER_03 53:51

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 53:52

Yeah.

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Nashville.

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Yeah, it's been going good. Oh, Patanner.

SPEAKER_01 53:56

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 53:57

Yeah. And so I, you know, um I'm just saying I'm back to the it's weird. I'm back to do that.

SPEAKER_03 54:06

That would be a dream. Please come play bass with me. If I play uh that's I've been wanting lately just to play bass. Play music. I just want to play, yeah, just for me.

SPEAKER_01 54:14

Please to come with us when we go do that one gig.

SPEAKER_02 54:17

Oh, you should. You should come with us. We're playing. This isn't this is unrelated to the other gig, but we're playing on the beach in Florida for a conference in March, and we need to bring bass player.

SPEAKER_01 54:27

Oh, that would be so fun. That'd be fun. You're always gone.

SPEAKER_03 54:32

I'm not gone anymore. I got a new new gig. I'm never gone. What's your new gig?

SPEAKER_01 54:36

What's your new gig? We need to know about that.

SPEAKER_03 54:37

I uh basically closed down my business. What? Yep.

SPEAKER_01 54:42

Timeout.

SPEAKER_03 54:43

Closed down my business. The marketing business. Close down the marketing business.

SPEAKER_01 54:46

Just it was too much.

SPEAKER_03 54:48

Yeah, it just I built I created a monster that and I started living away that in recovery I didn't want to live. I'm like, and I I have whoa, that almost overflowed. That was very this is a great sound, dude. And Coke Zero, gosh.

SPEAKER_02 55:07

Isn't that a I mean, just that's the sound we need to sleep to at night.

SPEAKER_00 55:11

Just the fizz.

SPEAKER_03 55:12

That's not a bad idea. Like white noise, just a fizz.

SPEAKER_02 55:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 55:17

So um, yeah, I and I'm super grateful. Like God was so kind to my family in providing for us. Like the business was going well, and and but I was getting so burned

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out. I was just so rushed. Even like being here, part of why I stepped down because I was like, I love doing this, but I can't be present. I'm just thinking about all the stuff I've got to do. And you know, and I finally got to the point where I was like, I don't have to do that. I don't want to do this. I don't, this is not the way I want to live. Right. I want to live a slower, more you know, grounded, connected. I want to be more present, all those different things. And I'm doing exactly what I said I would never do again when I left, you know, church ministry. And so um I was having some conversations with some mentors of mine, and then one of my clients uh here locally, we were having breakfast, and he's just a guy that we've been good buddies for a long time. And I was telling him, even though he's a client, I was walking him through some of this stuff and just getting business advice because he's built a big, you know, big company, and and um he was like, Well, man, I you know, I've got this thing I'm looking to do, and I could use your help, I use more of your time. And it was one of those things where I kind of laid out like, well, in order for it to work, this is I'd have to have this, this, this, that, and that, kind of like almost pitching him something that I knew he wouldn't do, one of those type stories. And he was like, No, I think we could do that.

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Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_03 56:43

And so um, I did keep uh Valiant, the treatment center I went to. There's there, I'm still working with them. Um, so I'm basically got the the two things that I'm doing instead of the however many I was trying to juggle. So it's been great, it's been awesome. I've been doing it about a month. I started November 1st. Industry is it? So they're an insurance commercial industry. Insurance, okay. Yeah, uh, you had told me a little bit about that. Yeah, my whole job with them is to help them find great employees for different regions of the country.

SPEAKER_01 57:16

Oh, so you're kind of a headhunter.

SPEAKER_03 57:18

In-house headhunter, in-house recruiting, yeah. My title is chief marketing officer, but it's all the marketing is is towards candidates, recruiting candidates. So, and it's a great, it's a really great company, it's a really great opportunity. Like, if you're coming, if you're young coming out of college and you've got the right wiring, it is it'll change your life. Like these young college students, they say in this industry five, ten years and they're making eight hundred to a million dollars a year.

SPEAKER_01 57:48

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_03 57:49

It's crazy. So I love that one.

SPEAKER_02 57:50

Can we borrow some when you get there?

SPEAKER_01 57:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 57:53

When you get the million a year. I'm not gonna be making that's what they're gonna be making. Isn't it kind of great to have a boss? A good boss, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 58:01

Yeah. I mean, when we moved to California, that was the first time I had a boss, and other than my dad, I guess. Yeah, and uh and dad was a good boss. Um but I you know I just except for Regan's at the mall. Direct deposit, which is amazing, didn't have to leave to make money, yeah, insurance. And then if I had an idea and they were like, no, I was like, okay, it's just like well, come to find out the the security part of it actually was a bigger deal for Jamie than what I realized as far as you know knowing what's being deposited to our account every two weeks, and the healthcare.

SPEAKER_03 58:42

I mean, it's not cheap to go get healthcare if you're not, you know, all that kind of stuff. And so, and the season we're in, I mean, we still got very active kids in middle school, high school. And, you know, I'm not saying I won't launch something again in the future. I definitely am entrepreneurial, but that doesn't mean I have to own my own thing. Yeah, you know, both of these positions with Valiant and with IGA are both like a lot of autonomy. I feel like my own boss, they give me a lot of freedom. There's no office hours, there's no, it's like here's what we need to get done. And if you're getting that done and we're getting results, we're happy.

SPEAKER_00 59:15

So that's great.

SPEAKER_03 59:16

Yeah, it's awesome. It's been a game. My anxiety has gone down significantly.

SPEAKER_01 59:21

Oh, good, because you were really I was buzzing there for a minute. Yeah, you were struggling.

SPEAKER_03 59:26

Well, uh, part of it is that you, you know, you eat what you kill, and so not only you got to run a business, but you gotta go out and constantly find more.

SPEAKER_00 59:32

Right.

SPEAKER_03 59:33

And marketing, the landscape of marketing, it's probably boring our listeners to death, but the landscape in marketing has changed so much with AI. Yeah, it's a dying industry anyway. Really, you just don't need what you used to need in marketing, it's just it's totally different. So it feels like a dying industry anyway, and then convincing people why they need me. And then most companies that I would get involved in, they would be like, We need marketing, we need help growing our business, and you get involved with them, and they're so unhealthy. Realize you don't need marketing.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:02

You need help.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:03

Yeah. Yeah. You need you need a re need to go rehab. Yeah. Yeah. Or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:08

But I saw um because you did story brand, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:00:11

It is, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:12

I saw that he's doing an AI thing that for like a penny or something's crazy. Like you pay hard you pay like a dollar or something, and you get all this.

Dogs, Boundaries, And Farm Mentality

SPEAKER_03 1:00:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:20

I forget what it was, but I thought of you.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:23

It's basically prompt writing. I mean, you know, right. It's all it is. Yep. Yeah. I mean, that's so much is going on.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:28

If you can figure out the prompts for AI, supposedly, then you can well will you be as fun if you're not stressed. And I don't mean that pejoratively. Like sevens kind of run on energy. Yeah. What's it feel like to be not stressed?

SPEAKER_03 1:00:47

I don't know. That's a really good question. Because the the inner wrestle has not gone away. Like I still have a lot I wrestle with. Yeah. Church, especially, has been weird for me lately.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:58

Um but especially Earth.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:02

Well, I we don't have we're not going anywhere.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:04

Really? You could not go into the Lib Church.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:06

No. We have we we went back once recently, but I love those people so much. I really do. They're they're awesome. They're great people. Um, but we're just yeah, we just kind of feel like yeah, it's that's a whole lot other longer conversation, I guess.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:22

But you want to hear a theory? Yeah. Tell me what you guys think about this. So everybody said COVID was gonna be this big change for churches. People were gonna, you know, but after COVID, I think people just loved the fact that they were getting, they're finally being allowed to get back together again. Uh-huh. I think now we are seeing what we thought would happen post-COVID. Like interesting. It's like when a couple separates and then you know they're lonely whether they get back together and it's okay for a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:57

They're so happy to not be lonely.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:00

It's okay for a little bit, but then that stuff, if you don't really deal with it, it starts to resurface because I'm having this conversation with everybody. Yeah, everybody is feeling angst about their church, but also just the idea of church. Yeah. Really? Yeah. People are just I get that. They're all just I would say just a little bit um not disturbed. They're just they're just disoriented by like, okay, so here we are, we're we're doing the same thing we did eight years ago.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:36

Like and none of my friends that I know I would put you in this category, you both in this category. Like Franklin, Tennessee doesn't need another church. I would say that. But there is a certain kind of church that doesn't exist. And the people that probably should lead it won't. They're too smart to do it. Or they're just or just don't need it.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:00

What is it you think?

SPEAKER_03 1:03:01

I think there is it there is a need in this area for a spiritual community built on honesty, confession, um, plurality of leadership, not ego, not stage, not performance. We don't need a band on the stage. We don't need one guy or gal speaking for 45 minutes, you know, but someone bringing a, you know, a devotional, but like taking communion together, open, honest, real, authentic, like in the Bible, but here, like, and I've listened I've tried a lot of churches in this area recently. I the the joke of my family now is I can't if I'm a successful church outing for me is if I make it to the end.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:46

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:46

Almost every church I try, I leave halfway through. And here's the point where I've gotten it's it's not them. Like I realize, and I'm not just saying that, like, I've gone to some churches recently where I'm like, this is a this is a beautiful community, but it brings up so much sadness in me and so much like I'm just yearning for for more connection that I just can't do it. Interesting because it feels so sad when I'm there. So like I know a handful of people that I'm like, man, if those four people right there would get together and decide to like meet on a Monday night and just do church together, I would be there 100%. Is it coming us too?

unknown 1:04:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:25

No, I mean, I I have this conversation with people all the time. I know, I do too. I mean, one of my really probably one of my closest friends, he's doing a house church right now with his family. Yeah, and I'm like, dude, can I just come to that? Would you let us come to that? He leads his family through communion and through a it's beautiful, and like that's the kind of thing I'm looking for. But I get a lot of it in 12-step, but 12-step, I miss the I missed Jesus. I miss the cross and the, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:50

Um there's so much right with 12-step. So much right. I mean, when people are It doesn't replace the church. When people tell me, I just want to find a group of authentic, I just go, well, start by going to a 12-step meeting.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:02

I will say 12 steps closer to church for me than that.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:05

When they're like, what if I'm not an addict? I was like, it's fine. Just go be quiet and tell them who you are. Spoiler alert, you are. Exactly. You were some kind of addict, get ready. But go to find an AA meeting. Yeah, just show up and absorb it. It's great. Yep, I agree. I think if we were gonna do something out like that's other than our church options, I want it to be like I want it to be a yes. Like, I don't want to go to church with people who are there because they didn't like because there was something wrong. That's right. Because they're mad anyways. That's 100% right. I want it to be like a like, yes, let's move forward in. And I I do feel like new churches that pop up a lot of times, they're kind of an overcorrection from something somebody didn't like.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:54

And so Well, and I also don't want to try to force or go back to something that doesn't exist anymore, or like a a home that I wish I could go back to that doesn't exist. You know, it's like because I I think about it, I'm like, yeah, I agree. And I like I really love liturgical style, but I also really love people that are passionate and want to be there and feel like they're really running hard after God. And like, so it's like, how do you I'm trying to build this cocktail that probably doesn't exist?

SPEAKER_02 1:06:24

I don't want to go back to something that was fresh for somebody sometime, but it's not, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 1:06:31

It's not is that what you think liturgical feels like to you?

SPEAKER_02 1:06:34

Well, I not to everybody, because obviously it's it it has traction, but for me, it feels like something that was new at some time. It was like this profound experience, but it's not well, a lot of the liturgical settings that I'm in, it's people who have just discovered it.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:52

Yeah, so it's fresh for them. Yeah, well, same for the charismatic churches that I was in. A lot of them are Catholics. They're like, oh, I didn't know this existed. I'm like, it's brand new for them, it's just the opposite of what they were raised in, so it feels fresh. Yeah, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:06

What do you guys think about this? Um I'm asking because it's really helped. I've got a couple of clients that have gone through some big life chains. One went through a bad breakup and a divorce. And I'm like, what if that was for then? Yep, and this is for now, and the next thing is for later, and they're like, Yeah, that takes some of the like you know, the one this one kid that was he had invested so much time into this girl, and the breakup was he was like, you know, but we're such good friends, and and I was like, Well, can it just be for then? I mean, do you see a future with and he was he was like, now we're on such different paths. I was like, so it's not for later, right? He goes, Yeah, it's not for later. I was like, Well, then maybe it's for then, and you got to decide whether it's for now. Yeah, but can it be for then? And you'd be happy that it like you're talking about. I thought about this when you were talking about your new job, because you're like, you know what, it feels and you're you're saying it feels less stress. I'm like, well, for now, that's great.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:11

For now, yeah. It's funny, Jamie and I just had the conversation before I came over here about what our future might look like. We're like, man, for now, this is awesome. Yeah, is that what I might do forever? Probably not. Just gonna know how I'm wired, I don't do anything really forever. But it's like, yeah, I I'm with you 100% on that. I think you I think that's it. And I think Jamie tells me this all the time. I don't think we know how to mourn and be sad in a healthy way over the endings, like something ending. Yeah, like, hey, that was great, but it's over, and I can be sad and just be like, man, I miss it, but that doesn't mean I need to force it to happen again now or one. I don't know. It just kind of but I'm with you on that for sure.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:50

When we moved to California and and I got that, I had a job for it, it was only gonna be three years, ended up being almost eight. The first year, I was still on the I gotta be productive, I gotta, you know, if I have free time, I need to be using it for my own career or and you were mostly like, I need to be working for them. Like they're paying. What am I not doing? You know, and she was like, babe, you need to stop. But I think you actually said you need to stop. The Lord has given you this time to work with your hands, to not be dependent on everybody, to mind your own business. That's right. Well, what's the rest of that? You gave me a verse.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:30

I think it's in Thessalonians. I'm not sure. I'm I always get that mixed up.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:35

Or to it's one of the T ones.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:36

It's a T, but it's like work with your hands. Um yeah, I can't remember. Mind your own business. It's kind of like you said, like basically mind your own business, work with your hands, just kind of like keep your head down.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:48

That's right.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:48

Just live a quiet life, basically.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:51

It was live.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:52

And I was like Aspire to live a quiet life.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:54

I was like, that had to be the message version.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:56

No, I don't think it is, actually.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:59

I just it's my version. It helped.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:01

I was like, okay, you know, sometimes it was just so opposite of what you were used to, because you were used to being self-employed. I have to, uh there's always something I can be doing. And I was like, no, this is what's required for this job. Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:15

You have to do more than that.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:17

Just do that. God has given you this time for rest. I mean, and it was a seven-year period for rest, and we came back, and the rest was completely over.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:27

There's so much wisdom in that because I I will say, in the beginning of November, when I went from owning my own company to starting this new thing, the first couple weeks, I was like a caged animal with my with time. I was working hard, but I was I had way more time, and I was launching and starting, and I all of a sudden I had all these things. And Jamie and I finally were like, what am I doing? This is I'm literally what I said I didn't want to do. But as soon as I got any little bit of daylight, I filled it with activity again. Because to your point, when I'm active, I don't feel the like it masks anxiety. Yeah. And when I have to be still is when I have to be present with my feelings and everything else, and that's that's hella scary.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:10

Being still it's a practice. Like it I'm so bad at it. Like it actually takes practice. I had this, I've probably said this on here before, but I had this place out in Crystal Cove, just um over the hill from Irvine out towards the beach, and I took her to it one day and I said, You're the only person that knows about this place. And I would say, I'm going to my secret spot, and I would go out there and do nothing. Yeah. And seriously, that was what I did out there. Nothing. And I mean, you get to where you lick it. But at first it's weird. Pretty first. Well, I have to say, I'm kidding.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:50

I don't mean me.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:51

But you I've learned kind that from you because you are more content. You're okay with nothing.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:57

I I know, but like historically, I've been

Wrap-Up And Future Ideas

SPEAKER_01 1:12:00

off of Instagram now for what is it? Month?

SPEAKER_04 1:12:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:03

Maybe and so I've realized in the past coup past week or week and a half, two couple weeks, I've filled it with solitaire. So now I'm like solitaire. Yes. Just playing solitaire all the time on my phone. I'm like, okay, this is not helping me. This is I'm just filling it with more screen, different thing. I mean, it's a different animal.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:24

It's not an algorithm, though.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:25

It still gives me a dopamine hit. And I think that's what I was craving.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:29

Or an escape of some sort.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:31

Yeah, like it still takes me out of what I'm doing.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:34

It's so funny how much science can come out about how bad our smartphones are for us. Yet most of us won't. We're just like, oh yeah, it's fine. We'll just keep doing it.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:44

I know what do you do though?

SPEAKER_02 1:12:45

I don't know. Well, the other I was telling her the other day at the airport, if you're not on your phone, you feel dumb.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:53

Like I feel if I'm not on my phone and I'm looking around, yeah, I feel like I am intruding on people. Quit being a weirdo. I feel like I'm intruding on their privacy or something. And I'm just walking around looking around.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:04

Do you remember when we came home from Africa?

SPEAKER_02 1:13:06

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:07

It was so weird. So we went to Africa in 2006 into 2007. And then we came home after being there for six months. And in that time is when is that when smartphones hit?

SPEAKER_02 1:13:19

I think so.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:21

We left and everyone was normal. We came back, and I remember being in the airport and being like, Wow, what is going on?

SPEAKER_03 1:13:27

This is a noticeable difference.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:28

It was weird. It was like everyone was like looking down, and I was like, I remember thinking, this is creepy. What is happening?

SPEAKER_03 1:13:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:37

That was that was weird.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:39

It's wild. Yeah. I know. It did. It took a little while because in South Africa, we were you still had to like buy minutes for your phone. And so yeah, you you only used it if you needed it. But man, uh I'm I don't what is it gonna take for us to go? Okay, it's bad for us, let's stop. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:57

I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:57

It's so bad for us. Well, I've got a really close friend of mine that he's been off, he uses a light phone, he's been using it for a long time now. Like it's his it's kind of his deal. He talks about how he he just feels I don't think he would say out of place. It's been really good for him, but he like I just don't know what's going on in certain things. And he's like, Well, it's probably you're not meant to know all the things.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:23

I've been not like he'll ask me about new stuff. I'm like, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know what's going on. How weird is that?

SPEAKER_03 1:14:29

Yeah, I mean, because I will say I've just been I've just been listening to this episode on PsyOps recently. Oh and you would love it, I'll send it to you. But it's crazy how much we're being trained to think a certain way, right? And it's way more it's way bigger than just the algorithm. The algorithms are they're there to get us to buy stuff. That's a money-driven thing. But still like bigger picture stuff. It's crazy. There's a lot of that going on. Well, I'm excited to hear that.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:59

Yeah, so please send that to me. We watched this documentary last night. What was it called? Buy now.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:04

Holy crap. If you it's a bad time to watch it right before Christmas, especially if you have little kids.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:11

Really?

SPEAKER_01 1:15:12

Yeah, because it's about uh the waste and the I mean it's horrible. And we think we're donating our clothes. Well, we donate them. They send them all to Africa, to these countries. Sorry, bought your shot just now. We send them all to these countries in Africa. Well, they I forget how many. Well, did you remember, or were you asleep at this point? They get millions and millions of pieces every week.

unknown 1:15:37

Really?

SPEAKER_01 1:15:37

And they can only use so many.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:39

So they dump them.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:40

So you should see their shores are just covered in our clothes and shoes.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:45

That's wild.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:46

It's so sad. So we don't see all the waste because we send it to other countries, so we don't have to deal with it.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:53

Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:53

And so then we continue to buy more because we're not seeing the impact of all no way the shist that is.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:03

So you think if we actually felt it more in our billowing over into our streets, we would stop.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:08

Yeah. And that's one of the that's one of the things they talked about is that's one of the main parts of these big corporations is to hide it from us. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:17

It's are you buying it?

SPEAKER_01 1:16:18

Wild.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:19

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:20

I mean it's wild.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:23

You watch and you're like, man, what can I do?

SPEAKER_01 1:16:25

I mean, and I'm like, now I can't get a get rid of my stuff.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:28

If I get rid of stuff, you're saying you're not gonna go shopping anymore. You're done shopping.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:32

I told him a minute ago. I'm like, I just feel like I need to save up and buy natural fibers, real clothes.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:38

You're gonna stink.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:40

Well, I mean, I already stink. Okay, I already use natural products, but I'm talking about like going and buying stuff from like Buck Mason that's like expensive clothes, but it's but they last forever.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:52

Yeah, they're you know, well-just rationalizing now buying more expensive clothes.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:57

Am I?

SPEAKER_03 1:16:58

I think so.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:59

Maybe, but they're all like cotton, wool, they're they're natural fibers to where they're gonna break down. All of these clothes, polyester. Well, yours isn't, yours is Buck Mason.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:11

Can't hide money. You need a hutch to go back and get a part-time job zone year.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:16

You know, I worked there one day.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:18

One day a week?

SPEAKER_01 1:17:19

No, I worked there one day.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:21

I thought you meant I worked there one day a week.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:23

I went in and got trained because I was I love this company and I would love to work for them again. But I was like, I don't even have a car. This is back when I didn't even have a car. I was like, I can't work here.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:32

So you're not doing your job in Franklin anymore, are you?

SPEAKER_01 1:17:35

No, I quit.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:36

And I don't know how to be either. I've been so lazy.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:38

Do you think we smell like maybe we're just used to our own smells? Because I was thinking about that. I don't know why my mind wandered. That cab driver, you know, that took us to the airport. Oh his car, he was Indian.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:55

Um, and his his BO was so you did not smell your smell.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:59

Was it BO though, or was it just curry?

SPEAKER_01 1:18:02

No, it wasn't curry.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:03

I couldn't get it out of my hands.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:04

It was B.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:05

And we didn't shake hands. But there are people like my hands were the only parts of I had to sit up front. The three of them were in the back.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:13

And we all had windows open. And it was cold.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:15

My hands were the only exposed part of my body. But I and we visit we toured some houses in California, remember? And we they couldn't get the curry out of the wall.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:24

That has to be it. People can't people just numb out, can't smell their own stuff.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:28

You go noseblind to your own smell.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:30

Like this house smells like dog to me. Do you not smell it?

SPEAKER_01 1:18:32

Does it?

SPEAKER_03 1:18:33

A little bit. I think you guys are just used to it. No, I'm just kidding.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:36

Oh my god. So sad. I was like, are you serious? No, this house does smell like sick.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:41

He got you back for every time you called him fat this now.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:44

Every time.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:45

You also called me something mean in the text. It was worse than fat this week.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:48

Oh, what was it?

SPEAKER_03 1:18:49

I don't remember, but it hurt my feelings.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:51

I know I called you a gay democrat.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:54

I think that's what it was.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:56

No, you said something about being a gay democrat. And I was like, oh, and you said no, that I said which one for I can't remember. You're like, that's worse than calling me fat. I didn't say it. You did.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:07

That's true. That's a good point. So I'm just wondering, maybe we're just not smelling each other. Maybe we smell American and people can smell us. Oh, interesting.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:16

Oh, interesting.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:17

People in other countries, like, oh god, did you smell that American?

SPEAKER_01 1:19:20

Smell like grease.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:21

Those American, they smell like seed oil.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:23

They do. I now I'm afraid that you just saw the look on our face, and really we do smell like dog, and you just felt bad.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:31

No, I didn't know. No, our house I can smell a house that smells like dog. That's funny that that worked.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:36

That you are such good acting just now. Obviously, because that's terrifying.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:40

I was in too. I was like, yeah, I got you both. No, it doesn't.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:43

This house though does have somebody smoked in it. Because on a wet day and you go upstairs, it's yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:50

I don't smell anything when I walk. I I think also my I have my allergies and stuff. I don't think I'm smelling a whole lot of stuff anyway, but no, I've never smelled dog ear.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:58

Oh, good.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:59

Well, our house probably does. No, your house smells fun.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:02

Are you getting rid of the big dog? Or did you? You're keeping it.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:05

Yeah, we can't. I mean, now it's it's not even on the table.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:08

Oh.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:08

The kids just took the Hank's loss so hard.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:12

It losing a dog is pretty tough. I don't know what we would do with. I was convinced. So we just had our 30th wedding anniversary, and I was convinced she got me a dog. And I was thinking about getting her a dog. Really? Wouldn't how hilarious would that be if we both showed up with a puppy? I think I've seen videos like that.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:31

I just saw one yesterday.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:32

They show up, both have a puppy. Are you serious?

SPEAKER_01 1:20:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:35

Because she's always wanted a little wire haired Dotson. I don't know how you say it. Yeah. Docshund.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:39

Dotson. Doc shund.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:40

I always said Dotson, but I was thinking about getting Pomeranian. Talk to the kids about it. We had a Pomeranian one time.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:46

Did you?

SPEAKER_03 1:20:47

They're funny, right? We had a little teacup one actually was like three pounds.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:49

Oh, that's what he would love.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:51

Anyways, and I thought, well, I could get her this puppy, this, but I don't know if it's time for a puppy. Oh, gosh. And I talked to the kids about it, and the kids, like, they were kind of like, do what you want, and they didn't let on if she wasn't getting me a puppy. So I thought, oh crap.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:07

You got that piano right behind you.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:09

Yeah. Got that cool vintage CP70.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:13

But, anyways, that I think that would have been funny if we both showed up with puppies. That would have been hilarious. Winnie would have been like, what the crap?

SPEAKER_01 1:21:20

Seriously, I am out. Like when we brought Winnie home, Fritzy, we always kept the door open because he'd never crossed the threshold. We had Winnie and he's like smelling her. He busted it out the door and just ran away.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:32

He's like, I'm out of here.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:33

He ran away. He's like, these people are insane.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:34

No, we we will never have a dog again. Oh, don't say that. Dog is our last one.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:41

What?

SPEAKER_03 1:21:41

I can almost guarantee.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:43

Why?

SPEAKER_03 1:21:43

We just we're not dog people. We don't like taking care of it.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:47

We don't, we as much as we're gone or travel, want to do stuff, we just don't want to. We're just not dog people.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:54

You know, we don't have any chickens right now.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:56

Really? Massacre. Another massacre?

SPEAKER_01 1:21:59

Well, we had a lot of massacres. I gave my I have one left and I took it to John and Kate's L.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:04

I gave it to them.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:04

You can hear that actually.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:06

We should probably wrap this up, y'all.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:08

Listen, Jamie's already doesn't like you guys, but if I come home without eggs, I know. It's really that's the only reason why she said we should buy you some.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:17

The last nail in the coffin.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:18

Yeah. We I think that Jennifer thinks about dogs in the most appropriate way. Because she's like, I love my dog, but if Winnie has to stay in a crate for a while, she's totally like that's that's farm mentality.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:33

That is farm mentality. I have a little bit of both, which is nice. A little hybrid. Yeah, I was raised with my mom who was like, you know, worship the dog, and my dad, who was like, the dog is not allowed in the house.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:45

Yeah, and no dog's in heaven.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:47

Like Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:48

They don't make it.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:49

That's what my dad thought. Until he's learned now that he's there, that he's wrong.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:54

But I asked him one day, I was like, I know, but Jesus comes back on a white horse. Where does he get that horse? And I think that changed him. He because he he looked at me and he said, I never thought about that. He's pretty literal that way. He's like, Oh yeah, the horse has got to have a stall. Anyway, so you know, I that's I think I inherited that from her because when we leave, we do not think about what like it's like I don't think about the dog. And we're also like, well, we're not leaving a party. Like if she pees in the house, whatever. Yeah, we don't know. It's a good excuse to leave a party.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:30

Yeah, we definitely use it, but we don't really know.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:34

I think you may have pulled it out at Thanksgiving, actually.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:36

Well, I just gotta get home to the dog. We gotta get home, let the dog out. Yeah, I mean, listen, it's an hour and a half drive. I was like, I just want to get this over with. It's already dark.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:45

That's the thing about Dolly, she's great. We don't crate her anymore, so she's just out of her bed in the living room. She's great. She stays out all day.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:52

Probably makes her better.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:53

Never makes she never goes to the bathroom in the house.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:55

It probably made her less crazy too, to not be crated.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:58

She's fine.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:59

She's great. She's only crazy when people come over.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:03

There's two, we have there's two different dogs. We're like, I promise you, she lays around the house all day. If someone comes over, she there is no end to her energy. She will never calm down. Oh you're just like, I'll it's not one of those things like, hey, just let her sniff you a little bit and then she'll be fine. No, she's gonna be in your crotch until you leave.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:22

She is staying there.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:23

Yeah, that happened when I was doing the podcast with Andy Chrisman. She got Nandy's crotch. No, but Roger Breland and Oh god. Who else do we have over?

SPEAKER_01 1:24:33

Oh, did you do a truth one?

SPEAKER_03 1:24:34

We did a truth one. Like these people that are like, like, you probably shouldn't have rottweiler in their crotch. But I'm like, hey, maybe if you're gonna have it, I don't know what to tell you.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:44

A rottweiler in your crotch.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:47

Crotch rot. Oh I'll be here all week. Crotch rot.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:53

Well done. Well done. R O T T.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:55

Crotch rot. Dude, that we could do something with that. It's a good band name because you could have a Rottweiler B like your logo.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:01

Oh, nice.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:03

You'll have that logo made tonight. Yeah. Crotch rot.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:07

I'm gonna go get the domain on my way. You are.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:10

How many don domains do you own?

SPEAKER_03 1:25:12

I just went through and and and deleted a bunch. So I don't know, but I I I let go of a lot.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:18

Do you just come up with something and go, I'm getting that?

SPEAKER_03 1:25:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:22

Interesting.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:22

Yeah, it makes it feel real. Well, I'll at least check to see if it's available. So I just bought one recently, like this week, though.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:30

Is it JeremyDiaibler.com? Can I have it back? Did someone buy it? Somebody's got it. Do they read? I have JeremyDibler.com. Somebody has JeremyDibler.org.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:42

Weird.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:43

Yeah. No, I just Why? I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:46

There's another Jeremy Dibler out there. Is that O?

SPEAKER_02 1:25:49

Somebody has Artist Care. So we're artist care TN.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:53

Oh.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:55

Lame.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:56

I know.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:58

Lame.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:59

All right. So you're not. I know you're not watching the clock.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:02

I'm not. It's been a long time.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:04

It's been 90 minutes.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:05

Holy cannoli. All right. Well.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:08

We got to the good stuff at the end.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:10

Hey, thanks for coming over.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:11

It was good to see you guys.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:13

Good to see you too. I'm glad you're not stressed.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:15

Great honor.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:16

Thanks for producing the show.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:17

You're welcome. You're a great producer. I'm glad you're.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:19

Well done. Yeah. All right. We'll see you next time. If we do another one, hopefully. We'll see.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:25

When's the next one going to come out? Are you just going to do them as as you feel the Holy Spirit leads?

SPEAKER_02 1:26:30

I told her I wanted to look up like these weird products and review them for Christmas. Like Christmas gift.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:35

Oh, yeah, we could do that.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:37

You want to come over again? No, I'm good. Will you edit this one for us? Sure.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:41

You won't do another one?

SPEAKER_03 1:26:42

He's hard to say no to, isn't he?

SPEAKER_01 1:26:44

Historically.